>>723864116
If I had a gaming wheel + gearshift + pedals I would. Unlike most americans I can drive manual irl, but it's not very satisfying to shift using single key presses. When you hit a corner and need to go down a few gears it feels awkward. But most racing games I enjoy nowadays are more retro acadey games (ie 2000s era classics) so I'm not sure if I'll get a wheel.

>>723864116
idk how to drive stick shift but somehow i supervise a valet team lmao

>>723864116
if you played on automatic you didnt beat the game

Everyone in the third world knows how to drive manual. Why is it so special for americans?

>>723864876
because it's genuinely difficult to find a manual transmission here. automatics have dominated the market for like half a century.

>>723864714
I wonder how many racing games even appropriately use a "racing wheel" of that platform. If they have the full-range of a wheel programmed into their steering controls or if it's just Digital (full on, full off) presses.
>>723864876
Manuals are rare in the U.S., people are intimidated by them. I used to be as well, then I realized how "analog" the experience is. Like pressing lightly on your joystick to make a character walk and pressing hard to make him run.

I can't drive but the few automatics I've been driven with were far more comfortable for the drivers.

just got my first racing pedals so I will be learning to use clutch except I don't think you need it for many sequential gearbox

>>723864116
No. I hate it in vidya. Part of what makes it work IRL is the feedback you get from the car itself. You can kinda-sorta emulate this in vidya but it is nowhere near the same. Maybe with a bunch of specialised equipment but fuck buying all that shit for one game genre that barely even gets new, good games anyway.

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pro tip: play beamNG, it has the most realistic clutch simulation
among other things

>>723865094
>Part of what makes it work IRL is the feedback you get from the car itself.

skill issue and also a cope
the game is simulating that stuff you just can't feel it because you're a brainlet

>>723864978
>>723865094
I think after a certain point the gear queer aspect of racing equipment becomes part of the fun. Like you see people with sim rigs approaching $10k, obviously there are diminishing returns but it's more of a gear aspect than gameplay.

Can someone teach me how to drive a manual?

I installed a manual mod for Cyberpunk. The vanilla gear ratios were retarded

>>723865183
your dad

>>723864978
the arcade ones for sure do
>>723865094
>one game genre that barely even gets new, good games anyway.
it doesn't need new games. its so deep you can play it countless hours

>>723865243
I don't think he posts here

>>723864116
poor third worlders still driving manual which was outdated and inferior almost 70 years ago and acting proud about it will never not be hilarious

>>723865157
no, it isn't. the people buying the 10k motion rigs and other assorted garbage are bottom split in iracing desperately trying to buy skill to beat some guy in an office chair with a $400 logitech
none of that stuff makes you any faster because the force feedback from the game is all the same no matter how much you spend. the top end of simracing gear is all audiophile-tier bullshit. you should buy the most reliable and compatible wheel (i.e a thrustmaster or logitech) and set it up in a way that is comfy and easy to use. building a "rig" to play racing games is a great way to never actually play a single racing game.

>>723865150
Please explain to me in your own words how a game can simulate "catching" the clutch and holding it there, and the engine starting to choke if I don't rev up enough through a controller.

>>723865302
>which was outdated and inferior almost 70 years ago
lol, lmao even. Automatic only started to catch up to manual like 15 years ago.

>>723865309
a clutch itself is easy, it's literally just a friction plate. it's not much different from simulating a tire on pavement.
beamng does simulate exactly that including the way the engine bogs down if you don't give it enough gas. it also simulates the synchronizers and if you don't use the clutch appropriately you will destroy them.
how it does this from a mathematical perspective i can't technically explain because i am not a german simulator developer, but you should definitely go try it if you are interested in driving the most realistic-possible manual transmission in any game.

>>723865536
how do the controls work on a controller? Does it even have controller-controls? I'm imagining using the Left and Right triggers on modern Xbox/Playstation controllers (for their full range of motion), but that would only work for the Clutch and Gas. I don't know where you'd put a fully dynamic Brake pedal button.

>>723865536
>a clutch itself is easy, it's literally just a friction plate. it's not much different from simulating a tire on pavement.
Nigga the discussion was not about how it's simulated (simply simulating a biting clutch is trivial), but how it's simulated in a fashion that I, the player, get feedback. And maybe in your make-believe world you tell yourself that you can feel the bite, but people in the real world can't.

This unexplained shit that you must learn from experience takes at most 2-3 days when you first learn to drive and 10 mins when driving a new car for the first time.

>>723865306
controller is probably faster than wheel

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>>723865973
The only manual transmission cars I've ever driven were shit-boxes. I'm actually scared how touchy a high-performance car must be. I bet the tires will spin and take off like a rocket if you aren't 1% in the catch area and 1% on the throttle

>>723865306
You play simulation games to win some gay race (which you also could in any other racing game).
I play simulation games to approximate an experience I can't easily have irl (because for lack of money, distance and time considerations, safety considerations).
We are not the same.

>>723864876
Because the regulating factor on driver's licenses in the third world is bribery (everyone wants their cut), whereas there is no regulating pressure in America that prevents driver's licenses from being tuned to relentless auto industry consoomerism, consequently there are more people driving cars in America who can't drive at all, which is reflected in the statistics for accidents, casualties, vandalism of traffic regulation, etc..
It's only when you get to really bad third world countries that the bribery becomes the driving force and driving standards fall back to American levels, at which point the prevalence of manual shifting becomes a filter to keep out the worst offenders.

I do drive manual and I am smug to americans online but is there actual benefit in every day driving? I imagine modern day processors despite their gay ipad bullshit are pretty good at shifting to the optimal gear.
The only time where manual mattered in the 10+ years of driving was when I parked uphill and there was snow in front of my front tires starting in second gear instead of first allowed me to not spin in place.

Everyday i contemplate getting a miata, but i cant drive manual. so i think about getting an automatic but i know i would get bullied hard

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>>723866228
>You play simulation games to win some gay race
cope

>I play simulation games to approximate an experience I can't easily have irl
try experiencing winning, shitter

>>723866526
>The only time where manual mattered in the 10+ years of driving was when I parked uphill and there was snow in front of my front tires starting in second gear instead of first allowed me to not spin in place.
What car do you have that allows you to start rolling uphill in second gear? Some kind of truck?

Anyway, if you only drive in the city, automatic is absolutely superior because you're not constantly clutching. That said, auto has more parts than can break and if you're not a car guy there's not much you can do at home.

>>723866526
manual is more fun, you feel more in tune with the car. automatic you don't pay attention as much and it's easier to space out.

>>723865997
controllers have many less points of analog precision so no. furthermore, a joystick and a steering wheel make the car behave differently because the thumbstick doesn't react to the caster of the steering and a force feedback wheel does. it's significantly more difficult to drive at the limit with a gamepad because you're effectively touch blind. rumble is not a suitable replacement for real force feedback.

Is OP's picture correct? That's crazy. How is anybody supposed to understand that?

>>723865183
There's no trick to pressing the clutch
There's no trick to depressing the clutch if the car is fully in motion (when changing gear) with sufficient speed
When starting press the gas a little bit just until you hear it rev above idling and slowly depress the clutch until you feel it snag. I'm being vague because it varies between cars.
If the car kicks you depressed too fast, be gentler.
If the car stalls you didn't give it enough gas.

>>723864116
My Summer Car has those yeah and The Long Drive

>>723866706
>How is anybody supposed to understand that?
??? What do you mean? You just... understand it.
Nonwithstanding the picture being retarded since clutch is a different mechanism from brake and throttle so it's very logical for it to work differently

>>723865658
>but how it's simulated in a fashion that I, the player, get feedback.
you release the clutch and the car reacts
that is all the feedback you need
you literally don't need to feel the 3rd order vibration of the throwout bearing interacting with your ballsack thru your big toe to operate a clutch. anyone who says they do is coping. in a real road car with a hydraulic clutch and a single-plate you literally can't feel anything thru the pedal anyway.

>>723865651
you can set the controls up to be whatever you want, just bind the axes on your gamepad to the pedal controls in game.

>>723864116
>play car game
>automatic shifts faster than manual
>you're expected to be at full rev and max speed as much as possible and the roads reflect this
>you're expected to brake hard and take turns sharply
>there is no speed limit, GTA role play doesn't count
Genuinely never found a game that made playing a manual interesting

>>723865309
Games show you a rev dial that you're not actually looking at when you drive
IRL driving would be easier if the dials and mirrors were projected onto the windshield
>yeah but what about when I START driving?
Oh, right, yeah, that really really fun part of driving a manual, yeah no why do you want that in a game?

>>723866526
>but is there actual benefit in every day driving?
I've been taught to leave it in gear instead of the e-brake on mild slopes
I don't know if that's a good thing
In an urban environment with slow traffic I'm told automatics win out and if you're taking advantage of lower gears for overtaking you should live closer to your job (lol, life sucks right?)

>>723864116
Yes because it's faster.
Sometimes it's not faster, but in most games where it's an option it is and by a lot.

>>723866694
the throw distance on a racing wheel is insane. you can turn the steering wheel way faster with a stick or dpad. a skilled pad player doesnt need force feedback

>>723866706
It's mostly correct but they're making it sound way more complicated than it actually is. You press in the clutch, you swap gears, you give it a small amount of gas (just enough to spin it up) and you ease it back in in what's usually a 0.5 second window. The car will tell you if you're doing it wrong, it's loud and it vibrates and becomes very obvious what you did wrong just by listening and feeling your car.

>>723866526
The primary benefits to manual are:
MUCH more affordable to repair your transmission
Better gas economy
Primary weakness of manual:
Sucks to drive in hilly terrain (particularly: stop lights going uphill)
Just general annoyance in stop and go traffic if you suck at it or just dislike the experience (it's fine IMO)

>>723866630
Nah some shitty 20+yo Audi sedan, give it enough gas and it starts with 3rd on flat ground.
>>723867302
>Better gas economy
Really? I would imagine it's one area where computers are optimal.

>>723866816
We get it, you've never actually driven a manual

>newfag to racist games
>luv me ridge racer 7
>luv me outrun 2006
>don't luv me wipeout but that might be a skill issue because im really bad at it
>absolute LUVED me sega rally when i played it in arcade
>luv me daytona usa
Where do I go from here?

>>723864116
Nah, I'm not really into driving sims so I don't. Most games I just drive with WASD + Space for the handbrake and nothing else, or whatever the controller binding for driving is.

>>723864876
They can barely fit inside the cars, you really expect them to start fiddling with some out of reach stick? They're going to run out of breath and crash

>>723864978
>If they have the full-range of a wheel programmed into their steering controls
You know you can set a wheel to whatever lock to lock you want, right? For arcade games I've gone as low as 270.

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>>723867469
i have owned several as a matter of fact
all your horseshit about feedback is just bullshit excuses
you literally can't feel shit thru the pedal, and all you get thru your butt is the car itself moving. once the car is actually moving then, you can basically treat the pedal like an on/off switch. there is no subtlety or finesse required.

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>>723868092
even in a miata if you are actually "feeling" the clutch there is something wrong with the clutch, such as it is very worn out or the throwout bearing is going.
what is far more important is simply giving the car enough gas to not stall and releasing the pedal gradually so the clutch engages smoothly. you don't need to feel anything to do this, you simply have to not be an autistic sperglord.

>>723864116
yes. All the time

>>723867558
GT7
Forza
Drive Club

>>723868092
>you literally can't feel shit thru the pedal
Nobody actually said you could, that's some schizo headcanon you came up with. The car is the one giving you the feedback and unless you have a really fucking good vibrating chair you're not going to replicate that.

Super, SUPER autistic question coming through
But is it worth playing the older Tokyo Xtreme Racer games to understand the hype for this new one, or is the hype and excitement entirely from people who already played it and I should just get the new one?
>are you autistic/retarded
Perhaps

>>723864116
irl yes, though I haven't driven one in almost a decade.
in vidya fuck no, it's horrendous and never programmed in a way that's fun to play.
>>723865302
Post that again without sounding upset
>>723867682
Everything you described seems to go both ways

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>he still drives manual
>he still drives automatic
Personally I connect myself directly to the machine

>>723867460
with manual, when the engine turns the wheels turn. with automatic, the engine sloshes some oil in a can with a milshake maker and another milkshake maker blade is attached to the wheels, and kind of gets sloshed into turning

>>723864876
As an out of touch old head this bewilders me. America was king of the manual muscle movement in the 60s. I grew up in a heavy car culture family, we all could drive stick by the time we were 10. What a shame that we've raised the zoomers and alphas to be so inept.

>>723868851
if you're doing it right you feel nothing at all except the forward motion of the car, which even the best motion rigs cannot replicate accurately. in a simulator you simply listen and watch the screen, it's not some metaphysical bullshit

>Nobody actually said you could
wrong
>>723865658
is literally coping about "feedback" when in fact all the feedback he ever needed was right there in front of his eyeballs and eardrums the whole time. the games do simulate the feedback of thrust it's just visual and auditory instead of a feeling thru your butt. again if you're not an autistic moron who doesn't know how he would feel if he didn't eat breakfast that morning, it takes no effort to figure out.

>>723869096
fun fact: a torque converter has a clutch in it to directly connect it to the engine
we haven't had pure fluid couplings in cars since the '50s or earlier

>>723864116
I did it in mafia 1 and 2 for more immersion

>>723866573
Same, I would have gotten one already if I wasn't too embarrassed to go pick one up and not know how to drive manual when I got there.

>>723869139
>America was king of the manual muscle movement in the 60s.

you are so out of touch you are just making shit up to sound cool
there was no manual muscle movement, it just took until the '70s at least to get electronically controlled hydraulics and more than 2-3 gears in an automatic.
even back then you could get muscle cars in automatic, often with manual shifting, which was considered superior for drag racing because it supported higher power and you could shift more consistently than a traditional transmission.

>>723869225
>if you're doing it right you feel nothing at all except the forward motion of the car
Unless you're driving a luxury car you're still going to feel the vibrations of the engine lmao and yes, the feeling of being pressed in the seat when your overpowered engine does 0-60 in a few seconds is also part of that feedback process.
>>>723865658
Oh so you're literally an autistic ESLfag tilting at windmills, gocha. No point in this then.

>>723865183
You, you can do it.
Practice by doing flat ground starts with clutch only, no gas.
Sightly below the speed at which you're going at minimum in first gear is the speed you have to go to clutch out completely, remember that.
Always spend as little time as possible with the clutch in any position but all the way in or out. Don't sit on the bite point giving it gas spinning the gearbox against the clutch at 3k rpm, that's retarded grandpa driving. Only go whole hog on the gas pedal with your clutch fully engaged.
All gear shifts should be fast and smooth, know how the clutch works mechanically and it'll all feel very logical. Skip gears freely and rev match when needed.

>>723864116
I play truck sim with the manual pedal and gear setup

>>723866942
>I've been taught to leave it in gear instead of the e-brake on mild slopes
You should always leave it in gear and with the handbrake on in all situations. They act as failsafes for one another. Also consider always using second gear because if first gear breaks, it'll be a pain to get going uphill.

>>723866526
only reason I got my manual license is that I could get totally usable shitboxes for extremely cheap. The cheapest autos are triple the price. Now that I can afford it, I drive automatic only.

Manuals are easy, I remember my mum putting me in the drivers seat when I was young and pulling away no trouble first time
Literally just let off the clutch as you get on the throttle, it's technically really precise like how the image shows but in practice it really is just clutch out throttle in

RIDGE RACER 4 AND IT'S SYCOPHANTIC LE VIBES LE AESTHETICS FAGGOTS CAN FUCK OFF AND DIE

>>723868951
You don't need to pay the old ones at all. The new one is the ideal entry point, you can go back to the originals after if you feel like you need more.

>>723867302
Stops going uphill are whatever. What really sucks is if you're stuck in stop and go traffic for like an hour, and have to basically be constantly pressing the clutch, it gets tiring for a while. Basically only an issue if you're driving straight through a large and intensely jammed up city

>>723864876
Unlike third worlders we can actually afford good cars

>>723870191
>American cars
>good
lol.

>>723869545
>Practice by doing flat ground starts with clutch only, no gas.
been driving for 15 years, i wasn't aware that was a thing you could do

>>723864876
They can't count past 2

>>723865658
>Nigga
Back to plebbit, plebian

>>723870372
Your engine always idles over the stalling point so yes. The more torque you have the easier it is. Just be gentle enough to not hit the anti stall.
I usually don't give any gas until I'm nearly clutch out completely. Starts are faster, smoother and wear less on the clutch.

>>723864116
Why is driving manual put on a pedestal? its just for losers that like to gatekeep and think they can drive when they have no skills.
>>723864849
id argue that you did since its harder due to having less control over your powerband

>>723870850
The only countries it's put on a pedestal is the US and Canada. The rest of the world doesn't give a single fuck.
>t. eurocuck boomer who has lived all over the world.

Drive-by-wire and its consequences have been a disaster for the automotive industry.

You make fun of smart toasters, but this is exactly the kind of shit cars pioneered when they stopped being purely mechanical.

>>723870372
There's no way you didn't know that? I never had the balls for the first few months to start using the gas

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>>723870679
interesting.

also, i'm not sure if this is a quirk of mine or it's something most people do.
when braking i usually switch gears downwards, until approximately i want to say 15mph/20kph at which point i just ride with the clutch fully pressed as i'm braking to a halt.

i guess this would disengage engine braking. maybe it's just a me thing but i feel like stopping feels smoother to me.
that being said, i'm driving a 20 y/o car, maybe it's different on new models

The biggest difference I notice between Manual and Automatic is that with an Auto, I feel less in tune with the car and the road.

>>723866720
>>723869545
Okay but why should ANYONE bother with that gibberish when we have perfectly fine
>Accelerate goes fast
>Brake slows down

>>723869423
I wanted to learn manual first. My dad obliged, and went ahead bought a car for me to learn in, which he intended to give to me once I got my license. But then I became a hikineet, and after a long time of it just sitting there, he sold the car.

It was a really nice car. Kinda wish I had actually followed through...

>>723870026
agreed
it's not even the best RR game

>>723871004
i had no concept of the motor idling at non-zero rpm so i thought the clutch simply did nothing by itself.
i was also taught the "proper" way right away so that's what i always used

>>723869530
>Unless you're driving a luxury car you're still going to feel the vibrations of the engine
not really. like yes the engine vibrating is there but it doesn't give you any particularly useful information. you're more looking at the tachometer and feeling the thrust of the car thru the seat to ensure you've engaged the clutch smoothly. the engine rpm is going to remain mostly constant if you do it right, and if you feel any undue vibration you're doing something wrong.

>>723871039
If you're going to slow down with the foot brake there's not much reason to downshift. If you want a smooth stop, it's called a limousine stop.
Sometimes when keeping speed downhill or I want to stop or slow over a long distance without braking like coming up on a traffic jam, I'll downshift with rev matches without touching the brakes but that's about it.

t. professional driver

>>723870850
>Why is driving manual put on a pedestal? its just for losers that like to gatekeep
retards don't know how a car works and think it's some kind of magical bullshit takumi technique and make it seem far more complicated than it is

The best part about Takumi is how he literally doesn't give a shit about cars

I'm 25 and don't have my license yet
I just ride a scooter
Girls get the ick when I tell them this
Also is a Lexus es350 hybrid a good car or a 2025 Toyota Camry
t. knows nothing about cars

>>723864116
I don't drive, I have a bike.

>>723871254
I think somebody in this chain of replies drives a car with a dual stage pedal spring thinking it's the clutch actuation he's feeling.

What's the point of manual irl? Why would i want to keep shifting gears in the middle of traffic?

>>723871551
>caring about what girls think
Anontachisamadonofampai...

>>723871551
Get a cheap beater and form your own opinion on what you want your car to have or be.

>>723871339
>If you're going to slow down with the foot brake there's not much reason to downshift.
this, people downshifting in commutes are idiots putting more ware than needed on their shit
>>723871452
100%
>>723871563
its for people who either are wankers and dont know what they are doing or for people who know what they are doing and need more control of their car.
you can do shit like downshift rather than use your breaks, make sure you are in the right rev range going into a corner or make sure you are in the powerband on straights.
it doesnt inherently make you better at driving

>>723871551
Depends on your use case. They're stylish, reliable and spacious for non-obese people, but trunk access in sedans like that is shit, so if you ever want to haul something bigger you'll be disappointed.

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>>723864876
probably because americans don't have a choice, their society is built on consooming cars, they get expensive ones and they all have automatic

I live in italy and bought a used 1500€ fiat punto with manual gear shift because there's no fucking reason to spend a fortune on something as stupid as transport especially when you factor in ownership tax, gasoline and insurance

>>723866526
>is there actual benefit in every day driving?
way cheaper to repair if it breaks and better gasoline efficiency, no matter how much they optimize automatic gear shift will never be able to comprehend something like "I'm merging in and need more gas that's why I'm going into a lower gear for 5 seconds"

>>723872025
My dad had a black 98' Fiat Punto GT with about 90 horsepower, not a monster but it was light, fun and the engine sounded great

>>723864116
I use no clutch manual on controller (X - downshift, B - upshift) just because it's easier than automatic. You memorize what corner is for what gear like "ok, that's a 2nd gear corner, that's for 3rd gear" etc. How am I supposed to know if I'm going too fast or too slow on automatic? Constantly looking at speed is too much work.

>>723871003
Smart toasters are not inherently bad, what's bad is when I need to connect to the internet to access my toaster who is also connected to the internet - as opposed to, you know, just connecting to the toaster directly. Automatic or "smart" cars aren't cloud controlled, you can generally do everything without an internet connection.
An exception might be modern hyper-connected shit like teslas and other meme EVs, but that's not something the car industry "pioneered", I'm pretty sure there were already smart toasters before elon even started making teslas.

>>723872465
>no clutch manual
That's automatic with paddle shifting (or button shifting in your case)

>>723872491
>to access my toaster
When the hell do you ever need to use a toaster without being right next to it? Do you just leave bread in it, go away, then tell it to start toasting via phone app? Make it make sense.

>>723871339
>If you want a smooth stop, it's called a limousine stop.
huh, i'll give it a try. thanks

>>723864116
Driving is hard but not because of manual. It's hard because of parking.

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>>723864116
Manual makes me love my fucking Fiat Punto 2 shitbox. Vroom vroom motherfucker!

>>723872629
>put bread in the evening
>wake up in the morning
>start toasting from your phone
>get out of bed
>your toast is ready and waiting for you

>>723872574
>That's automatic with paddle shifting (or button shifting in your case)
if it doesnt shift gears automatically its not automatic is it?

>>723872025
>1500€ fiat punto
damn, that's pretty good, what year?
i'm at a point where i'd probably have to consider buying a new car if some big repair comes up, considering the value of the car

>>723865108
i'd do it if the only pedals I had weren't the ones that came with my Steel Battalion controller

>>723872797
Sorry, but that just sounds like you shifted around your daily rhythm specifically to justify the stupid toaster.

>>723872797
Congrats on your stale bread that you've turned rockhard by toasting, you fucking moron.

i failed my driving test 3 times now i'm going to slit my throat

>>723873096
>i failed my driving test 3 times
doesnt matter, focus on what you need to learn and get the hours in. you can do anything as long as you have the 'drive' for it lol

>>723873096
Please tell me you didn't fail it in the easymode NA countries

>>723873487
it is harder in the T countries?

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why dont racing games use triggers for steering and sticks for pedals?

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>>723873702
because the devs are retards and don't let you use the controller itself to steer

>>723873702
Firstly you're retarded, but secondly its because your thumb is already used to handling movement in videogames.

>>723864714
You're not special dude, I learned on manual. My dad told me I learned on manual or he wouldn't teach me.

I hate start-stop.
I hate lane keeping assist.
I hate "tired driver" detectors.
I hate that my car has software updates.
I hate that disabling any of it for good needs an unauthorized service and voids warranty.

>>723873807
I just remember using that scheme in forza 2 decades ago but it never apparently caught on.

>>723873702
because intuitively pressing down on analog triggers feels way more similar to pedals.
>>723873780
when this is implemented it is usually unresponsive anyway.

>>723873886
Lane assist is undiluted aids in traffic-dense euro countries where people double park and many roads in the country are narrow or single-lane jfc it's shit and I can't express enough how much I hate that useless fucking technology

I'm going to say this since there's so many stick vegans here. It isn't hard at all and I could literally teach to everyone of you drooling idiots in this thread.

>clutch all the way down
>lay off and car lurches forward
am I just bad

>>723874246
give gas as you let off clutch slowly, only let off the clutch completely once the car is moving in first.

>>723874119
And let me tell you that you don't hate it enough. Don't read spoilers if you have problems with blood pressure.

You know what lane assist does? It either beeps at you when you're off-center, or it nudges your steering wheel to keep you in the lane, rigght? Well, new implementations do one more thing. Covertly send your data to a database used by insurance companies, so they can raise prices for you if you routinely drift off-lane. Yes, it's real.

>>723864978
>Like pressing lightly on your joystick to make a character walk and pressing hard to make him run
Literally impossible and the same problem as OP. There's 0.5 millimeter wide zone between "nothing happens" and "full sprint" that counts as walking. Thankfully there's only one game I can think of where walking is useful and that's MGS V, which is the only game ever made where playing on a controller doesn't feel like garbage so it doesn't have this issue

>>723864876
Tbh manual doesn't make sense. All the other aspects of the car are automated but gears are special for some reason?

>>723864116
>actual video game
>manual
>gachashit and VN faggotry
>automatic

>New cars are full of random electronics that do nothing but make the car more expensive to repair
Grim.

>>723872025
honestly this shit shouldn't cost more than 1000€, it's 4 wheels on a chassis. prices are crazy in Europe (thanks eurocuck emission rules). Meanwhile americans can buy a mustang for 10k

>>723864116
I learned to drive on manual, but nowadays I mostly drive automatic. It's just more comfortable.

>>723874332
That would explain so much as to why insurance prices are shooting up here. Modern life is shit.

I don't know how to drive and I'm 30.
Feels bad man.

>>723874532
>2017-2018
>new car could be as low as 9500-12000 bucks
>go to the same dealer where my parents bought a car at that price out of curiosity
>even the cheapest shit in the catalog is 23k
>used ones START at 12k
good fucking lord

>>723875024
Why would you ever go to a dealership? They add at least 3K on every purchase.

>>723864876
Something like less than 1% of new cars are sold with manual transmissions in America and most of those are probably enthusiast models. It's about as useful a skill as knowing how to crank start a model T to Americans.

>>723864116
>americans
>claim to love cars
>only drive automatics
Weird, automatics are so boring.

>>723872824
The transmission is still automatic, you're not actually shifting the gear you're just suggesting to the transmission that it should probably switch right now

>>723875171
>own manual car in Murica
>sleep soundly knowing it will never get stolen
I don't see the downside

>>723875516
That's actually a really great point.
Fuck it, I'll learn manual.

>>723874445
Why do Americans seethe so hard at reading?

>>723875081
i didn't know squat about that at the time, and my parents were paying half the price.
but i'm frankly a little iffy about rolling the lottery of buying from a random guy on ebay or whatever.
with a dealership i guess you have SOME sort of accountability if the motor implodes 2 weeks after

>>723873096
Around here they have a racket where they fail you a lot of times over the smallest nitpicks, just so you have to pay the test fee over and over again

>>723875604
>with a dealership i guess you have SOME sort of accountability if the motor implodes 2 weeks after
Not really. Most dealerships don't give you shit after you leave the lot/finish the test drive. Re-read your contract and you'll see that actually, they just took an extra 3-5K out of your pocket for no reason.
If your car breaks, they'll just tell you to go to the same mechanic (and pay for it yourself) that you'd have to go if you bought a car off some guy instead.
It's literally a scam for stupid people. If you're smart enough to know when a car is broken (and you are), you don't need a dealership. Ever.

>>723864942
Automatic gear is more suited for urban traversal anyway. I mean it doesn't matter.

>>723875602
AI drivel YT channels like Kings and Generals personify the Dunning Kruger (average american mentality). Siri, Cortana, Gemini and whatever other AI ASSistants exist are created almost solely for the american market. They are predominantly unpopular in europe except in the workplace which seems to be having copilot pushed.

>>723875671
What country?

>>723866656
Manual is more fun for sure. I feel like I'm really operating a machine rather than just driving a car normally.

>>723874968
I'm 34 and I'm only starting to learn now. I didn't need to before but since covid the public transport system here went to shit. They spent hundreds of millions on renovating everything to be automatic which has somehow resulted in a worse service. It also means no one checks if people paid to get on so now gangs of kids, drug addicts and general dickheads get on and start fights with people. This happens almost daily which has caused less people to use the system, which results in a bigger percentage of passengers being lunatics, which results in even less people using the system. In a just world, everyone in charge of the change and the contractors would face some sort of punishment or lose their jobs at the very least.

>>723874968
You should probably fix that, anon. It's not a difficult thing to do.

>I'm 30 and I don't know how to use an oven
Admitting you can't drive is kind of like this.

>>723875813
>workplace which seems to be having copilot pushed.
Microsoft pretty much owns the western workplace so it's not a surprise they're trying to push their next profit maker.

>>723864116
>dead zone
how come that people manage to ruin the clutch by not fully kicking it down while switching gears?

>>723864876
Despite all the road accidents, it's genuinely amazing how well traffic works in general considering the amount of mental and retarded people.
Many people at my place don't even own a car, they just rent one twice a year, driving around with very little actual experience

>>723876101
Feathering the clutch is a heckin' valid thing to do as long as you don't hold it there forever.

Use a bicycle, fatty.

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>>723875737
>If you're smart enough to know when a car is broken (and you are)
maybe.
but i don't know how to tell when a car is ALMOST broken.
i mean, when push comes to shove and i have to lay my current car to rest, i'll probably inform myself better.
but yeah, i guess i kinda assumed the accountability part

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>>723864116
of course im what you woudl call a professional
in asbesto corca

>>723864116
This sounds absolutely retarded
who the fuck even comes up with something like that

>>723876013
It's not really like that at all. One's essential, one isn't if you live somewhere with good public transport.
>It's not a difficult thing to do
Is for me. My first 2 lessons freaked me out, don't like driving at all.

>>723874332
>or it nudges your steering wheel to keep you in the lane, rigght
I have never seen that, it looks like the most aids implementation possible and I'm surprised it's legal to put this on the road without opening yourself up to gigantic liabilities due to misdetection. I have a car that beeps and sometimes it misfires when I'm just driving a bit too close to the side of the lane (maybe it's a roundabout and a huge truck on my other side is protruding halway into my lane while turning?), if it yanked my wheel over without warning it'd be lethal

>Covertly send your data
Pretty sure GDPR should forbid that without clear consent, it's not necessary for the car to function or anything. There's always been insurnance policies that require tracking (previously with a custom black box you'd install in your car, I wouldn't be too surprised if they started using native telemetry for this) but it shouldn't be legally possible without explicit opt-in by the customer.
Of course that doesn't mean that they aren't doing it, but it seems fishy

>>723876405
>but yeah, i guess i kinda assumed the accountability part
That's what they rely on. Idiots not reading the contract.
Don't get scammed again. Read what you sign.

>>723876579
>Is for me. My first 2 lessons freaked me out, don't like driving at all.
NTA, but I was the same, I only learned to drive at 32. Part of why I was so freaked out was because you can kill someone at any time with just a minor error, but once I learned to channel that anxiety properly it helped me to become a much better driver than most.
Also, if you were freaked out then your instructor was probably shit.

>>723875861
UK

>>723876707
My instructor was shit. But that wasn't what freaked me out.
I didn't like driving the car. I don't like being in control of it.

>>723866526
you never lower gear when you want to slow down?

>>723875671
Eh I passed first time in the UK, it's really not all that hard. Pretty much the only non-common sense fail you can get is the emergency stop, you need to check both blind spots after or that's a major. I suppose that and just go the wrong way if you end up in the wrong lane on a roundabout, don't try to switch unless it's super safe and you make sure.

>>723876624
oh, i do, believe me.
it's just that this one wasn't signed by me.
in fact i'm extra autistic when it comes to buying shit. it took me the better part of 2 weeks to research and buy a flashlight that was <30 bucks

>>723876579
Being a cautious driver is better anyway. No idea why people refuse to drive defensively. Most accidents could be avoided this way but instead, people see someone making a mistake/doing something stupid and then decide to keep driving into the problem instead of giving it space. My dad would do this constantly. He'd see someone trying to merge into his lane too late and instead of just slightly slowing down, he'd speed up, get right behind them, slam on the breaks and then blast the horn. When I ask him why he does this he says, "They shouldn't be driving like that". Total retard.

>>723876707
>channel
hating people is a good drive

>>723876958
I'm the same. I'm trying to research a smart phone (never owned one) and it's completely overwhelming.
I just want a good pocket-sized camera for when my kid is born and I'm just drowning in data.

>>723876579
>One's essential, one isn't
An oven isn't essential either if you have a microwave and just don't bake your own things

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>>723874968
I got my license but that's about it. The public transport is pretty good where I live, so I haven't driven in years. At this point I'm wondering if I should put on a "new driver" sticker 'cause I'm going to be an absolute menace on the road.

>>723877006
So many people drive like this, and if the world wasn't totally fucking owned by car and oil manufacturing then they'd be banned instantly for that shit. Instead, it's basically impossible to get banned for anything other than speeding, so our roads are constantly filled with dangerous mongoloids, and people who cause serious bodily damage are only ever hit with a slap on the wrist.

>>723877112
>An oven isn't essential either
Cooking is an essential skill where I live. Driving isn't.

>>723864116
no but I do it irl

>>723877134
Depends on your situation and what country you live in, but if people are generally kinder to learner drivers where you live, just stick on the P plates or whatever you have where you live.
Also you could try driving with a friend/family member for a while. Oh, and I also find that talking to myself about any decisions I'm making, what I'm seeing etc helps me.

>>723864726
managers dont know how to do the actual job, they just manage people

>>723877045
For a smartphone, it helps to realise that almost all the specs pretty much don't matter, you can splurge more on a camera with bigger spec numbers if you really care about photos, but otherwise processor and gpu and memory and shit is basically irrelevant unless you're using your phone as your primary gaming device for whatever fucking reason.
So the real differentiator between phones is the OS. If you want iOS you get apple. If you want Android, you have to choose how you want to get raped by google and/or chang; chinkdroids have their own flavours, samsung does too, etc. A lot of phones come with preinstalled apps that you cannot uninstall unless you root your phone, so for me, a major factor is how easy it is to root - I simply won't buy a phone where you have to like email the manufacturer and wait six weeks to get admin access to your own device (let alone those that don't allow it at all). Again, the spec sheet numbers barely matter, so it's not like you lose much by avoiding some manufacturers.

A few years ago I bought a phone that runs grapheneOS, which sandboxes the google services so I don't have to run them at all most of the time. It's great. There's only one type of phone that's compatible (pixels) and people will tell you hurr the CPU in those is shit, but again, it does not fucking matter one single bit. These phones have an OS that doesn't run google (or apple) tracking services in the background 24/7, they're the only phones that do that, therefore to me that's the only phone on the market right now even worth considering.

If you don't care about privacy enough for this shit then almost any cheapo chinkphone will do. If you don't care about price and care a tiny bit about privacy, then apple is still somewhat better than google, so unironically just get an iphone.

>>723877045
congratz
>smartphone

the /g/ thread is a start, there's also reddit

but nowadays i feel like 99% of smartphones do the same shit

just filter by
>android vs iphone (androids are infinitely cheaper unless you're deep in the apple ecosystem)
>budget
>camera, in your case since you're using it for that
>screen size (you can ask friends and family to let you hold theirs to see if you like em big or small)
>headphone jack y/n if you care for that

that's about it really.
the individual phone disk space can be sort-of bypassed by buying flashcards (another filter to add) or by uploading them to an online storage space

>>723877137
I'll never understand why so many people have massive egos when they get into a car. At this point it genuinely has to be a low IQ thing. If someone cuts me off, does a bad merge or does something random, I just slow down and give them space. I'm not risking running into them and causing myself the hassle of dealing with the aftermath. That person might be a retard for driving like that but I've got more important shit to do than scream at someone or deal with insurance companies in the event of a crash.

>>723877173
>where I live
Are there still spots on earth without supermarkets nearby selling you hyper-processed ready made meals? Tell me where anon.

Anyway you can cook all kinds of things without an oven. It just limits the recipes you can use (and you can't bake your own bread), but you can very much survive and even have a tasty, varied and healthy diet entirely off of meals cooked on the stove.

>>723873830
Like 90% of Americans don't even know how to drive a stick.

>>723877531
That's why I said cooking is an essential skill, not "owning an oven".

>>723864116
Traded my 6spd Miata for a Rivian recently. I miss the fidget stick (shifter).

>>723877475
I tried the /g/ thread and it ws actually useless.
Just bots and spammers, no one is actually discussing phones.

>>723877613
So you agree that using an oven isn't an essential skill? Nobody was arguing about cooking

>>723874359
Modern ones do suck because the computer doesn't let you have full control, but it's still a vastly more fun and engaging way to drive.

>>723877682
Owning an oven is not a skill.

>>723877045
Buy a Pixel, Samsung or iphone. That's it, it's really not hard. Whichever one meets your price point first.

>>723864876
well yeah there's no gears on a camel

>>723877475
>>723877448
So what has a good camera?
I was thinking of getting an iphone 15 pro, the camera seems pretty good and the price is good.

>>723877752
Which one has the best camera?

>>723866573
I just found some dude on Craigslist to teach me the basics like six or seven years ago for $200. Then I went out and bought a stick shift and basically threw myself in the deep end.

>>723877812
>So what has a good camera?
Everything and nothing. If you really just want a good camera more than anything else, then buy a camera. Phone cameras are always going to be cope, because good cameras need some decent lenses and lenses take space; it is physically impossible to make a camera that fits into a phone form factor that can directly compete with good quality dedicated cameras.
The reason people use their phone cameras is for convenience, because they already have a phone, and maybe they're taking pictures to post on social media immediately. They'd need a phone anyway for their social media and browsing and games and apps, having a separate camera would mean a second bulky device, and would be annoying to transfer pictures to post on instagram, while on a phone you can do it instantly. But in your case if you just want to take family pictures and you don't care about using the phone itself for much then just get an actual camera.

>>723876727
Kek, you can have up to 15 minors it's easy as fuck here. Every single person I know passed first time except my dad (he already had a criminal conviction by the time he was 17 for stealing jaguars from showrooms) who drives like he's in WRC, and my best bud who is one of the worst drivers I've ever met.

>>723867302
>MUCH more affordable to repair your transmission
I had to get the clutch replaced and the flywheel resurfaced for my dodge. It was like $2700.

>>723877746
But using an oven is the skill that the entire conversation is about: >>723876013
Nobody was or is talking about cooking here

>>723878053
>stealing jags from showrooms
Why is this so hilarious to me. What a legend

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>>723877497
>I'll never understand why so many people have massive egos when they get into a car
humans are still animals, when we feel safe from a threat (even though it might not be so) many feel free to express all of their frustrations

>>723865183
Think of it like active reloading from gears of war.
I taught 3 people standard using that line.

Also, don’t waste your time on a manual these days, autos are faster now. Fifteen years ago that wasn’t the case.

>>723877681
oh yeah, personally i like to use the resources in the OP of generals for this kind of thing.
the discussion in the thread itself is...questionable in most generals

>>723877812
>So what has a good camera?
well, iphones ALLEGEDLY have a good camera, but i don't give a hoot about cameras so i don't want to substantiate the rumor.

also, do keep in mind that a good camera won't magically make your photos good.
if you really care about having good-looking photos, you'd be much better off with a mid-quality phone + learning how to take photos with free youtube tutorials than you would be with a 10.000 dollar camera and not knowing which end the camera goes

>>723865183
I used two YouTube channels to help me learn driving: Ashley Neal for general little tips and Conquer Driving for more in-depth instruction on specific things.

>>723877812
Pixel tends to win in blind tests but any of them will be good for your use case. I do some photography on the side and own a Sony A7IV. 99% of people do not need a dedicated camera these days.

>>723876013
Honestly, I grew up in NYC. Lived there for 34 years. It wasn't until I moved a few years ago that I really fathomed how much of a car country the USA is.
It's insane to me that 99% of the country is so retarded that they put their shit like ten miles away from each other. What's the fucking point?

>>723869096
Most automatics from the last 30 years run in locked mode after a certain speed so it is a direct connection between the engine and the wheels.
I find that Mazdas do this very aggressively, it feels like a manual but with no clutch.

>>723864116
I always thought gran turismo license tests are unreasonably hard that is until I switched to using manual in that game. Then I started crushing gold times like it's nothing.
I still prefer automatic, when I play a game I want to relax not sweat.

>>723878121
He also got a suspended sentence for petrol bombing a police station in the 80s, fuck knows how he didnt get time. That's the power of schizophrenia.

>>723878742
Are you from Nothern Ireland?

>>723864714
No one cares i learned stick while fucking my buddy's clutch up, still can drive stick.

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>>723865651
>controller

>>723878015
>Everything and nothing. If you really just want a good camera more than anything else, then buy a camera.
I already have a great camera. I'm looking for something pocket-sized and I need my first smartphone

>>723878074
I was. Sorry you misunderstood the convo.

>>723878374
My brother has a pixel and he really hates it, I think I'd best avoid that brand.

>>723879523
Then buy an iphone. I have no idea about the 15 pro but I used a 17 pro recently and the camera was more than good enough for anything casual users will need.

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>>723879507
>Outing yourself as a jeet
If you'd been online longer than 3 years you'd know it's an angloid thing

>>723879832
Its the one I'm most tempted with, just because I know very little about all the options.
In comparison pictures I looked at, I liked the 15 pro's camera best. Had good colours, didn't look too saturated, like all the other ones do.

>>723866573
Amerifat here. I learned how to drive stick in an NB Miata that I bought before knowing how to drive stick. Super forgiving and easy clutch to start out with. Within 1 day of sitting in a parking lot fiddling I learned the concept, and I'm a fucking idiot, so you got this bro, find your road legal go-kart and have some FUN.

>>723879523
>I was. Sorry you misunderstood the convo.
No need to be sorry, you're the one who wrote "can't use an oven" when you actually wanted to talk about cooking, hope you get better communication skills soon

>>723880450
Where did I write that? Quote the exact post.
You won't, because you can't.

>>723872875
2006 , bitch is old but serves me well and it was sold to me with 80.000 km on it, I only use it for work so after years only reached like 150.000 km

>>723874657
>Meanwhile americans can buy a mustang for 10k
and how much does it cost to repay that mustang once it breaks you dingus?

>>723872224
>90 horsepower, not a monster but it was light, fun and the engine sounded great
das because that engine is the famous "motore FIRE" that powered the fist batch of fiat puntos that came directly from the original fiat panda, an engine so well designed you still find cars roaming with it in 2025 because its just ridiculously hard to break

its not a meme when people say "older things were built to last"

>>723880541
I already did: >>723876013
The only replies to it are directly continuing the conversation about ovens (e.g. "one's essential, driving isn't" implying using an oven is an essential skill)

Do they make force feedback h-shifter with clutch pedals? If you can't feel the transmission rumble/grind then how do you know you shifter up properly in a game

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>>723881109
Thanks for confirming I didn't say it.
Concession accepted.

>>723875743
No, I must make my own driving experience harder on purpose just to feel like I am capable of something manly since I live in a world where I'm coddled and catered to and could reasonably sit on my ass for the rest of my life.

>>723875671
Same shit in France and from what I've heard from a friend it's the same in northern Italy.
Basically they try to extract up to 2 000 euros with additional lessons and failed tests per person.

>>723864116
I only had manual cars irl but in vidya I don't feel like buying the whole sim fanatec suite or whatever it's called just for something I'll play 1 hour a month.

>>723869545
Sometimes when I start stalling a bit I'll just play with the clutch instead of shifting down. Like I'll be on 3rd in moderate traffic and I'll just ride the clutch a bit until I can accelerate again.
I know it's a bad habit but I'm lazy.

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>>723881959
It got pretty cheap now. 300 bucks for just a wheel + base + 2 pedals. Add 50 bucks for a clutch pedal and 40 bucks for a chinese H shifter.
And that's if you want direct drive, old ass logitech gear like g29 for 150 you get wheel + 3 pedals + shifter that all plugs in the base.
I think it's worth it if you play like 2hrs a week.

>>723869657
NTA I leave it in reverse when parking facing downhill, thinking it would break better. Is there any benefit or am I introducing another point of failure if it starts rolling?

>>723882274
>$500 on a gimmick controller.
No thanks.

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>>723866765
even MSC, one of the most oppressive driving games in history, doesn't force you to use the clutch.

>>723864116
I don't have a proper setup for it

>>723882274
>"I only play 1h a week"
>here anon it's so cheap just buy a $300 controller! plus another $100 actually!
The $150 one all included is probably a justifiable expense if he actually plays every week, but $400 for games that you don't play all that often is only really justifiable if you're actually making enough money that impulse buys like this don't bother you, in which case anon would have already bought it instead of complaining on 4chan

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>>723864116
depends on the game

i was taught how to drive on non-synchro manual and driving stick is baby mode
driving auto is like driving a go-kart

>>723883651
You mean it's easier and more fun?

>>723883729
>easier
yes
>more fun
no. auto feels like there's something missing. like it's too easy

>>723864116
>2019+6
>gas pedal is a smooth gradient
fucking retard

>>723883895
What's more fun about having to manually change gears? I don't see it.
>currently own a manual

>>723864876
we have basically unlimited amounts of money.

>>723883419
I made that post in comparison to how good sim gear used to cost THOUSANDS and the mediocre shit from logitech and thrustmaster was still in the 300-400 dollar range for plastic toys.
Also everyone here is a 30+ yo boomer so if you play racing game semi frequently, a used g29 kit for 150 or less is pocket money.
All the zoomers on this board spend 100+ on fancy ass gamepads to play fortnite on.

>>723869545
>Practice by doing flat ground starts with clutch only, no gas.
This was THE moment for me. No one fucking told me the car can take off and just go on its own and not stall once it's past the 6mph threshold (as long as the terrain is flat and you don't brake at all)
That was the biggest confindent booster to not fucking stall. First gear, hold the friction point for a few seconds and then accelerate a bit

>>723883972
being more engaged with the car keeps me more engaged with the road. i don't know how to articulate it but having to focus on the car and road conditions keeps me more engaged than the road alone. there's something deeply satisfying about dropping from 5th into 3rd when slowing down that i can't explain

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>>723864116
I live in yurop but I still don't understand why people say manual is better
It's just cheaper but that's it

>>723884125
The fact that it used to be more expensive doesn't mean it's necessarily an impulse buy for everyone now. If you're playing racing games/sims as your main genre or at least regularly enough, then it might be worth it, but if it's just something casual then I don't think spending $400 on it is justified. ($150 might be fine for a lot of people, like I said.)

The difference with a $100 gamepad for fortnite is that the zoomers buying that play fortnite for 5 hours per day.

>>723884315
it depends on the vehicle. my motorcycle will STALL at a stop light if I don't continuously rev the throttle just a little bit while completely stopped.

>>723883895
I completely disagree. I learned to drive on farm equipment and my first car was a little dodge truck with three on the tree, and it fucking SUCKED. My brother had a Pontiac station wagon with a 5 speed, and it fucking SUCKED. Both of us couldn't wait to buy an automatic. To us it was like chopping wood instead of having centralized heating, it was just more work.

>>723869041
That still counts as manual btw

>>723874095
>because intuitively pressing down on analog triggers feels way more similar to pedals.
but it also makes sense for steering because triggers would be left/right hand pulling steering wheel down.

>>723884368
my brain release dopamine when RPM go up and I gear up and then it goes back down hehe

>>723884368
it's better because it confuses and enrages americans, that's pretty much it

>>723872904
you can get decent load cell pedals for $150

>>723864116
>Double clutch exists
The double clutch has singlehandedly invalidated any and all manualfags.

>>723884337
See I'm the opposite, if I'm fumbling around with the controls, I'm not paying attention to the road.
I use a manual, but I'd actually prefer an automatic.

>>723884125
Truth, you can even pick up a good condition GT Force for '00s racers (like Outrun 2, gt4 etc) for really cheap. The point of entry is low cost even for retro.

>>723864116
I don't think the feedback of it can be emulated at a reasonable price.

>>723866451
Doesn't help infrastructure is built around cars only forcing fags to drive when they don't have to. We've fucked ourselves fundementally

>>723882302
It's like, fine honestly. If a car starts rolling then what happens is that the engine just spins backwards. How much resistance you get depends on the gear ratio but it really won't matter much.

>>723884453
Your idle is too low, you need to adjust it.

>>723869139
Women, women are why everything in the USA is an automatic. Women make better consumers and so they started to cater to them. It sucks I have to buy some expensive sport model if I ever want a new car.

>>723864116
I can drive a manual but this shit always annoyed me. That and how much easier a motorcycle manual is because the fine motor control no pun intended needed for the clutch is so much nicer via the hand instead of foot.

>>723864116
I’ve been playing Cruis’n cabinets on manual lately, and it seems to be a worse way to play all around. It doesn’t feel like it gives any advantage over manual, and if you play even somewhat correctly you shouldn’t have any need to leave highest gear.

>>723865108
I trained my GF to drive stick in Beam with a Logitech G29, pedals, and shifter plus VR. Now she can drive her replacement beater irl after taking her out to practice a few time. I really wish women would stop being so anxious and clumsy all the time.