>played TTYD and it was a 10/10>2 stars into 64 and I might be enjoying it even morethe battle system isnt as good clearly but I think the visuals, artstyle, music and level design are actually better, at least so far. cant believe super paper mario gaslit me into thinking this series was shit for all these years, Im hooked.are sticker star, color splash or origami worth playing? as long as theres kino partners and good humor I think Id be down for anything
>>723866636>as long as theres kino partners...do we tell him?
No, it only goes down hill from there.
>>723866636theyre both great but pm64 is the true patricians choicenever play another game in the series again
>bring letter to goomba town>ok bring this one to koopa village>ok bring this one to the dock>ok bring this one to koopa village>ok bring this one to the fucking desertI stg if i dont get a blowjob at the end of this shit
>>723866636Yes, the level design specifically is far superior to that of TTYD. It still has a couple lesser chapters but overall I like it better.>are sticker star, color splash or origami worth playing?Only The Origami King I'd say. All three have the issue of regular battles being mostly worthless due to no experience points and leveling system. SS and CS have all attacks being consumable stickers/cards, most of them are extremely overpowered, you can't target specific enemies and you're just supposed to overwhelm them in one turn. TOK requires you to solve a sliding/rotating puzzle to put the enemies in the correct formations and then you can go to town on them, which is marginally more entertaining. TOK also has very good boss fights that use a variation of its combat system and are genuine multi-phase puzzles as opposed to SS/CS which require you to just use a specific super overpowered item you may or may not have and usually kill you if you don't. The level design in all three games isn't bad overall but SS has some annoying levels. I think TOK has the best level design in the series overall.>partnersThe devs were retarded and got the idea they could only use Toads as friendly characters so not only are there no partners, there are no original characters at all beside your helper in SS/CS. This also flattens the overall story as it can just rely on funny dialogue. TOK gives you a few partners including cool picks like Kamek and Bowser Jr, but they only have real functions during exploration and are useless during battle. There's also more effort put into its story though it still suffers from the lack of true original characters.
>>723867058>no partners>no original characters...are you fucking kidding me wow I have no desire to play these now
>>723866636but Super Paper Mario is better than TTYD too
>>723866636>the battle system isnt as good clearly but I think the visuals, artstyle, music and level design are actually better, at least so far. cant believe super paper mario gaslit me into thinking this series was shit for all these years, Im hooked.>are sticker star, color splash or origami worth playing? as long as theres kino partners and good humor I think Id be down for anythingThe original art director for Paper Mario wasn't involved in TTYD and Super Paper Mario, and returned for Sticker Star So the art direction decayed until he came back. Like look at pic related and you can see the cackhanded artists for SPM couldn't create anything with the original art style properly.Paper Mario 64, Sticker Star, Color Splash and TOK look better than mainline Mario of their systems.
>>723867217tbf TOK does have original characters and has better writing and character development than even TTYD. It's worth playing.
>>723869165>better writing and characters than TTYDlets not go overboard here.
>>723869165>TOK does have original charactersKind of. It has non-Toad friendly NPCs, generics in different outfits and a few actual OCs like the trees, the Vellumentals and the main villain, I'll even count the Stationery although they're borderline, but it still lacks variations of existing species and new species like the first few games had. In the meantime we got the TTYD remake which kept everything from the original intact and M&LBS which had tons of OCs so hopefully they stop limiting themselves for no reason in the next new Paper Mario.
>>723867029There's a sewer in Toad Town with shortcuts just like Rogueport. Look for a pipe in the southern half of town
>>723869268TOK has character arcs and an overarcing story that flows into each area and plot developments can happen in the middle of a section.TTYD's story is actually quite scant. The plot only develop between chapters except for the last, and it tends to waste a lot of time repeating the same information to the player 2-4 times: >TEK telling something to Peach>Peach emailing it to Mario that you have to read>Mario & co talking with Frankly who confirms it in a book or something> A 4th time if there's a Bowser learns the information
>>723866636SPM is a godsend compared to everything that followed. Except maybe Origami, that one is genuinely divisive in the sense that it does have its fans, unlike Sticker and Color. None of them are the simple but effective RPGs like the original 2 but I at least like Super for the RPG/platformer hybrid with decent writing that it was.
>>723869942SPM is a very shitty game to play, combining exactly none of the good aspects of platform games and RPGs.
>>723866636super guard ruined ttyd's battle system.
>>723869981SPM also has crap writing and you can tell that Bleck is the author's self-insert character considering Mario and co. stand around like mute dummies while the original character heroically saves the day.
>>723870331you control the buttons you press. just done use it
>>723866636It's common consensus that TTYD has higher highs and much lower lows (also the OST is shit compared to 64) and has far far FAR more talking.64's overall more consistently paced too.SPM doesn't remotely have the same gameplay since it's outright a platformer and really amplifies the TALKING from TTYD to even worse degrees.>SSNo>CSNo>TOKNo, some people say you could try it, but meh.
Yeah i always enjoyed 64 more than ttyd, but both are fantastic. But yes sorry op, the whole rest of the series is absolute garbage and doesn't really have anything to do with the first 2, and have no actual partners. Super paper Mario is a decent game despite not being paper Mario. But the rest of them are awful even as their own games. They made it so there's no reason to even do combat in the later games since you all you get out of it is wasting your stickers and items because they removed leveling up and rpg elements (stickers replaced partners and all they are is just lame items that do some gimmick animation)All you do is go through the game avoiding combat once you realise there's no benefit to combat, and you're just left with listening to a story that's worse as well as a world filled with genetic toads and koopas that all look the same because nintendo was obsessed with not messing up the style of Mario at the time so the games lose both the gameplay, partners, and charming characters and designs that the series was known for, taking away every single aspect of paper mario that was good, except for them looking like paper which they lean even harder into despite it being more of a background thing in the 2 og games.If you want more of the 2 first games you'd be better off playing the first few mario & luigi games which are also great, but that series went down in later entries as well
>>723866636Super's alright, though it's a huge change from the first two. Don't bother with the rest of the series, for your own sake.
>>723866636You're experiencing peak right now.It literally doesn't get better than this unfortunately.
>>723866636>are sticker star, color splash or origami worth playing? as long as theres kino partners and good humor I think Id be down for anythingNo, no, they're aggressively unfun games. The combat is torture, there are no partners and the humor devolves into smarmily self aware tripe. And that's not even getting into their active aversion to memorable character design and character writing.Color Splash is the least bad of the bunch and has some fun scenarios but that's a low bar.
>>723874427Oh shut up you OC fool, go fap to Vivian
>>723869619i cant believe i missed that, fuck me. thanks anon
>>723866636the start of 64 is fucking painful, and chapter 6 is just as much of a slog as twilight town in TTYD.I like both but I still prefer TTYD
>>723866636There is no reason to play any games beyond TTYD. Even super paper mario, which a lot of gen Zers like because they grew up on it, is completely different.
>>723876554Chapter 6 is a lot of running around, but the music and presentation make up for it. Twilight town doesn't have enough variety, and feels like it wears out its welcome much quicker.
>>723876554personally I liked the koopa bros. dungeon a lot more than hooktail castle. both of them have a slow and boring prologue.
semi related but is BIS better on ds or 3ds for the first time?
>>723878314DS and it's not even a discussion
>>723878314It's fucked up that the "bonus game" added to the remakes is kinda fun because they're saddled to worse versions of the original games. And that they skipped PiT, the one that would undoubtedly benefit the most from the revamp (on top of having a great variety of enemies to use in the "bonus game").I'd play Bowser's Minions or BJ's Journey on their own if they were bundled together on Switch or something.
>>723866636>are sticker star, color splash or origami worth playing? as long as theres kino partnersThis is the most depressing and naive thing I've ever read on this board
>>723866636Sticker Star and Color Splash are not worth your time. The Origami King is in a bizarre limbo state where obviously the creatives on the team wanted to make something like the older games but the higher ups and mandate guys kept fucking them over. Thank fuck the mandate is dead now, the next game will be a TTYD sequel.
