Is steam really that good?
>>723871351Yes.
>>723871351steamies just have sunk cost fallacy from being forced to use their shitty storefront>deck shitted and flopped>steam controller is an abomination>invented loot crates>whatever their gay VR shit was called flopped>popularised PC DRM>ruined TF2>last real game that wasn't assfaggots skinnerbox shovelware was Portal 2 15 years ago>steamies still try to shoehorn their trash in with the Switch 2 and say “Nintendo and Valve are saving le gaming!” when Nintendo wipes the fucking floor with Valve in software outputthey havent done nothing of note in over a decade. if anything, they’ve been a overall net drain. they don’t make games. they lock your games down and sell your info to jews and chinks. they introduced paid mods. they delist and censor games for payment processor jews and chinks etc
>>723871547so what do you use instead
>>723871351Its sunk cost as the other anon said but more than anything for me personally is that there is zero competition. Epic feels like sluggish trash to use too.
>steamies
Steamies will excuse any malevolent thing fatfuck gabencunt does.
>>723871665>98% of the steamie userbase are latinxes, chinamen, and pajeetsis this a selfie?
>>723871351Compared to most tech shit, it's very good. It's still bad in an absolute sense.
>>723871351steamies are retarded and unironically shill a fat corpo cuck
>>723871751please list them.
>>723871351yesi have 1200+ on steam
>>723871351Anyone else worried about what will happen when Gaben dies?Steam will probably become publicly traded. Maybe Valve itself.
>>723871884He banned some of my holy goon goon games...
>>723871884Valve caused the rise of low effort slop games by only promoting 400 games a year.valve was too lazy to manually examine new releases and filter out the low effort garbageand they were too scared to increase the upload fee to filter out thirdies and scammers from shitting up the storeso they just stopped promoting games based on review performance and shifted towards revenuenow the only games that do well organically on steam are streamerbait dopamine slop that get attention on social mediareal games are left in the dust to rot because they didn't have two year advertising periods before releasedevelopers are no longer incentivized to make good games purely for the intrinsic joy of creating good gamesthey are forced to focus on viral advertising strategies, otherwise their games will receive zero support, and the time and money cost won't be justifiable
>>723871547Jeet post.
>>723871351Zoomers are too retarded to learn to pirate. They don’t know games before Steam became popular
>>723871351Good? Yes.Basic store with reviews and cart, mainly a dig at epicFree mods in workshopdiscussionsguildsdrm that can be broken in a minuteREFUNDS>>723871547Most of your points have nothing to do with the store
>>723871917Well that's actually bad, but you know who is to blame (like, valve is responsible, but not entirely, but also they shouldn't have allowed porn games in the first place if this is how it's ending. Maybe people would have used some other launcher for porn games specifically.
>>723871351Steam is extrenely powerful because the anti-Steam people are>Indians or South Americans desperate for free games>contrarians that spend extremely little money on games>Chinese and Russian hackers>kids with no moneyOnly #4 may actually spend in the future against Steam.
>>723871969>>723871665What’s with steamies and projecting their squalid browness?
Steam started the digital revolution that casualized gaming and is killing the industry.Hope there is a special place in hell for every steamcuck.
>>723872032Valved banned my favorite videogame "Extreme pedo goddess addicted to BBC molest her little shota step son: Anal leakage edition"...
>>723872072steamsaars....wtf is this
>>723872072>not a single white countrysad
>>723871351What else do you got? Epic?Even if you don't like steam, this is the best you got.
>>723871351Yes
>>723871351>top: subscription services that get shittier and more expensive every year>bottom: sells me a product I want 50-90% off
>>723872072If your country ain't grey you are a brown animal.
>>723871547>shitty storefront>bitches about everything but the storefrontlolNot even going to address the rest of your bait, this is already more than (you) deserve.
>>723872110Whoa, that's my favorite too!
>>723872072These numbers and steams highest concurrent count don't make sense. If this was Roblox yeah sure.
>>723871547it's scary how your post is pretty much 100% correct yet people choose to ignore it because we live amongst brainwashed morons.
>>723871547>they havent done nothing
>>723871958>real games are left in the dust to rot because they didn't have two year advertising periods before releasename one
Good morning saars
>>723871351>monopolywords have no meaning
>>723871351>yet another pajeet thread
>>723872205what's the alternative
>>723872072Fucking kek, you can tell the ESL shitskins in this thread are an Indian marketing firm being paid by Valve
>>723871958it's not valve's responsibility to fix game's marketing industry, Like, i get that they are responsible for ton's of garbage asset flip games and etc. but your fixation on streamerbait games kinda paints you as a bitter indiedev who has failed at marketing.
Steamies won
>>723871547>Nintendo wipes the floor with valve!>One develops the same 3 bad games every year and shitty hardware to run those remakes>the other one is a store with 3 games that are 5+ years old used to advertise the store ???Nintendoddler moment.
>>723872267Touching grass
>>723872291congrats, you figured out who keeps making these threads
>>723871351It isn't Gabe's fault that your goyslop isn't selling.
>>723871351It must be doing something right when you got spergs like you constantly spamming 4chan with anti-steam threads.
>>723871547>popularised PC DRMdo you niggers actually believe that valve's drm that gets bypassed in seconds is legitimately worse than limited activations, requiring the disc to play and whatever else would get added to that list had physical games survived to the current day?
>>723872230See >>723872110
>>723872323I accept your concession
>>723872272>being paid by ValveTim Sweeney was literally caught doing that, in a court of law.
>>723872205Literally every line is incorrect, though
>>723872369Yes steam bad because it bad and popular and my dogshit game didn't sell and they banned my porn games reeee!!!
>>723871657>no responseEvery time lmao. "Le monopoly" cope falls apart when the competition is so worthless it might as well not exist. Shilljeets have nothing.
>>723871351>de facto vs de jure
>>723872072>>723872272https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/steam-users-by-countryStates and China have the most users retard.
>>723871547valve index is still considered one of the strongest VRs out thereit didn't flop from what I know
>>723871547>steamies just have sunk cost fallacyLiterally this. Retards will eat any shit up just because they've "been there the longest" and have used most of their NEET bucks on the platform.
Steam gets a pass for being responsible for Linux Gaming's success. At this point, I'd probably still be a console gamer if Steam didn't exist.
>>723872369They were either not alive or too young to have been playing games before digital purchases were mainstream
>>723872393Yes, all the big companies employ the same shitskin shills, valvejeets are no different
>>723871351>screenshot of a reddit post of a twitter post with basedjak faggotryend your life
>>723871402how is this not a gif
>>723872452???
>>723871547>steam controller is an abominationSteam controller is the best controller ever made for playing mouse-heavy genres like FPS, RTS, and city builders.
>>723872505>Linux Gaming's successKek, whats the percentage of linux users again?
>>723871351Whenever you see a ceo or owner of some big corp you know instantly they are a pedophile but when you look at gabe i don't feel that.
>>723871351Stormfront sisters? I thought we were based, redpilled and hated billionaire cuckolds like our forefather Hitler?
just compare steam to the nintendo storethere is no contest
>>723872393How come VaIvedrones are unable to hold a discussion without mentioning Tim or epic games?
>>723872376Different anon, just wanted to shitpost lol. Really, though, consolefags are retarded and best alternative to steam is pirating. Then maybe GOG. Pretty much everything else sucks balls.
>>723871351Yes. You know why? Because it simply does what it's supposed to do. I want to buy game. I buy game. I play the game. Regular sales so I can buy and play games for cheap. On top of that, there's a bunch of social features that I can make use of if I want to. Friends list etc. So if I want to buy a game for a friend? I just can. It does what it's supposed to do and nothing more. No hoops to jump through or anything.
>>723871351genuinely yesit's a good product, especially compared to literally every other large online store.
>have road that I drive on to get to work>driven on same road for 20 years>road has been updated and works perfectly over the years>some jackass builds a shitty bumpy road right next to the perfectly good one you already use>it doesn't even go to all the same places>mfw some retarded road developer accuses me of having brand loyalty for not using his shitty road to get where I want to go even though I've been using the current road for almost 30 years
>>723871351Publicly owned vs privately owned
>>723872258god damn it, every single time... there's always one of you faggots coming in saying "actually, there's alternatives covering 0.5% of the market so it's not a monopoly". you don't sound smart doing that.
>>723872651You're telling me that 17 out of 350 employees are jeets? Yikes!
You do not own your steam games.
>>723872651>The VP and lead programmer of Valve are IndiansLMAO this explains everything
>>723872595Go down nigger.
>>723872595>jeets, seaniggers, mutts, sandniggers, and latinxeskek steamies will never recover
>>723872754I don't own your mother either but I still play with her regularly.
saaaar, support the steam monopoly saar. Redeem the non-ownership saaaaaaar
>>723872754What's the user agreement say? Last I read it, even if steam as a company were to implode you are guaranteed the rights to that license (weather or not you can make use of it in such a case is another question)
>>723872754Yes, just like you do not own anything you purchase in any other online storefront.
>>723871351It's not as good as it used to be, but it's still a great way to have all your games in one place. The old days with Steam sales where you used to get daily deal and big games that used to go to 90% off were the best times.
>>723872853I did, it says you're posting from a Mumbai IP, ranjeet
>>723872910Incorrect.
>jewtentroon seethe thread
>>723872909Yeah you'd just be able to use everything offline
>>723871547>deckdeck is doing okay>controllercontroller was patent trolled out of existence>loot cratesthey didn't invent loot crates, i think, popularized maybe.>vr headsetdunno what to say about index, it was a premium headset that wasn't for a mass adoption in the first place, they did say they wanted to set a minimum standard which others vr manufacturers should strife towards to,, while also trying to cut on the price. Valve does support vr market on the software side tho.>popularized pc drmwell if drm is just checking that account owns the game then it will be popular? like you do know what the alternatives were, right?>tf2they ruined it by abandoning it.>portal 2ok.You need to understand that their hardware stuff isn't just about hardware. Like, you do remember steam link? it was replaced by steam link app, same with controller and their steam controller api and settings, and deck and steam os, not really the same for index, but they do still support and update their vr drivers and software.
>>723871958Industrycuck
>>723872946It's the truth.>>723872936>The country that currently has the highest number of Steam users is the United States. 13.7 million people from the United States use the application to share and play games. China, which currently has the second-highest number of users, has 11.4 million Steam users. Russia with 9.5 million Steam users, Brazil with 4.9 million users, and Germany with 3.6 million users round out the top five.Dilate tranny.
>>723872754>buy game on steam>pirate a backup in case the company that owns 75% of the market share goes tits upConsolefags can't compete
>>723871351I can call people niggerfaggot in CS without consequences, so yeah Valve is still better than 99% of other tech companies
>>723872595Thanks anon, now I will post this in every Valve shill thread and make the shills seethe
>>723872754you don't own anything else either, at the first sign of financial troubles anything can be seized from you by private companies, reclaimed by the govt, confiscated, etcdo you really own things if they can take them away from you if you fail to comply with arbitrary rules?
>>723871547fuck off faggot, they're responsible for giving people a free and open alternative to windows that doesn't suffer from jeet bloat
>>723873004If game only has Steam DRM just use a tool to crack your own exe
>>723871351Never said thisI used to respect Google. Other than being a Data seller, they seemed to have standards. They financed most of Wikipedia and Firefox.Ironic that they one day removed the motto 'Don't be evil'
>>723873078I can still trade, sell and do whatever with my PC games I bought 30 years ago. I can't do anything with any games I rent on Steam.
>>723872595only 40% of jeets have access to the internet you dumbassthis is actual scammers
>>723873103Maybe I'll do that when steam goes tits up. Until then, I'll keep playing the games I played for.
>>723873074And then people will post this >>723873003 and tell you to fuck off.
Pic related, 2012 /v/Some other anon Anon made up names cause we liked to have a bit of fun back then
>>723873186>no saar u dont understand, its just.....indian scammerslmao
>>723873153>can't do anything with any games I rent on Steam.You can't even play them? Damn. You must be retarded.
You don't seem to understand how big of a problem India is. You take all of USA, Europe, UK, Australia and even add Japan for good measure, and you're still 100 million short of India. If you allow their migration, they will legitimately outvote all of these countries on their home turf, simultaneously.
>>723873198>paid shill with post random text with no source or anythingok?
>>723873227>thinks pulling out jeetspeak means he hasn't been btfoed by occam's razori accept your concession
>>723871351No, it's a cult.
>>723873262>source>>723872452Dumb tranny.
>>723871351>>723871547Why are tendietrannies seething?
>>723871547Nothing of this affects me in any way.
>>723873287Cry more, this is a /v/al/v/e board. Always has been, alway will be
>>723871547>tendieLike clockwork
>>723871351Steam will always be great because they've set the standards years ago of doing big Steam Sales every 3 months, making PC gaming much more affordable compared to console gaming.
>>723873354>post-reddit invasion faggot meme templatewe never liked valve, newfag
hating steam is the hallmark of contrarian newfaggotry, a desire for rebellion without any understanding for why the order is the way it iswe're legitimately in the best timeline in regards to pc storefrontsany retards thinking we could have some le anarchy setup where every single dev sells games off their site are delusional, it's either valve or one of the dime a dozen vile corpos
>>723873354I bet you think shit like the /vga/ is peak 4chan as well
>>723873431You will never be an oldfag.
>>723872903You have never had sex with anything but your own hand
>>723871547Spot on
>>723873465Been here since 2005 zoomulatto nigger.
>>723873431>4chan does something >Le reddit invasion Fucking kek, This was back before you faggots invaded this website. Notice how all of them were present in Washington, standing on soil in the USA within feet of Gaben. All of those things something you'll never accomplish. You will never go to America.
I'm still not using Epic Gaymes or Goytendo btw.
>>723873541>reddit tourists do somethingftfy
>>723873540Look, newnigger learnt a new word!
>>723871910There's a slim hope he has a digital copy of his mind built to carry on for him
>>723872421remember when epic was gonna save pc gaming and knock valve off their throne
>>723873591So this is how shitskin nintroonjeets are coping...
>>723871547TPBP
can any steam hater try to picture an alternative timeline without steam just so we can get a peek into the delusion?
>>723873541>4chan does somethingYes anon, the entire point and culture about 4chan is that we're anonymous here. The moment "4chan does something" like the /vga/ or simping for billionaires like that picture is going against everything that makes 4chan... 4chan.
>>723873656GOG, but pollacks keep losing money lmao.
>>723871351>>723871547Tale as old as time itself
>>723873596Look, newnigger learnt a new word!>>723873643I’m not a tendie, you zoomer shitskin. You redditors did the same shit when Iwata died, lol.
>>723871351It has no nortubel
>>723871351Steam introduced digital DRM and directly caused the end of physical PC media. Despite already holding a monopoly they popularised in game gambling, have attempted to make paid mods a thing, has included in their ToS that non Steam entities can have games removed on their on whim and is implementing government overreach restrictions.A steam like monopoly was bound to happen, but they're still the ones who made it happen. Doing something that was inevitable that is anti consumer, doesn't make it good.I buy everything from GOG and all of my 360 games are backed up for emulation. Those are games I own as long as the files and backups exist, indefinitely. Nothing on my Steam account I own.
End your pathetic self, steamie
>>723873354I've been here since 2007, you're all newfags. Valvetrannies like you are a more recent phenomena. People liked Valve the developer but since they don't make games anymore I guess you decided to start ass licking a fucking storefront instead like a true fucking retard.
>>723871547>Nintendo wipes the floor >they havent done nothing of noteShut up nintenigger
>>723873709>I-I'm not le tendie saar!!>b-b-b-but muh IWATA THO??Kek keep regurgutating like a parrot jewtentroonie.
>>723873591Reddit didn't live rent free in this websites mind in 2012. That's only something election tourists seethe about en masse to fit in.
>>7238735412 billion on the internet was the end
>>723872323I'm allergic
>>723873767In what way does that post bring up Iwata or Nintendo in a positive light, you autistic zoomnigger shitskin? You redditors also made him a big gay Treehouse card lol
>>723871351you say that like I haven't been using 3rd party key sellers just so I can avoid steam's shitty pricesI use steam, I don't get used by steam, and if I ever play a game that has it's own launcher, I play it outside of steam on their own standalone launcher
>>723873774>Reddit didn't live rent free in this websites mind in 2012In 2012? We thought reddit sucked for years before that for being a circlejerking shit hole website that maybe had a few good subs. I think coontown, fat people hate, and darknet marketplaces was still around. Then reddit sold out even further and became the most over moderated website on Earth that all the Tumblr refugees flooded into
>>723873774Complete revisionism. Since at least 2010, reddit has been used as an insult
>>723871351
>>723873774>webmHoly, thats grim as shit
>>723873837Nobody cares shitskin, you're still not convincing anyone not to use Steam. Just another reminder that cucksole market is shrinking as I type this while PC market is growing at a steady rate. Cucksoles are becoming obsolete and cucksoletards are afraid of this change.
>>7238738832012>Someone posts about reddit/screengrab>Get replied with >reddit and reaction image of embarrassment 2025>Post literally anything at all >REEEEEEDDDDDDITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
>>723871351we should just go back to physical copies
>>723871351Why are pledditor such cocksuckerMy /v/ would never act like this
>>723873940Are you just going to spam bogeymen until one hits, you shit eating zoomnigger valvequeer? I don’t give a fuck about consoles kek. Make sure to send Gayben a Christmas card this year, you faggot
>>723873967Yeah and both reddit and redditors deserve the amount of scorn they get , the reddit mind virus should be punishable by death
>>723874023Normal adjusted people get through their day browsing this website just fine without thinking about reddit unprompted.
>>723874019Sure you don't shitskin.
>>723872452no clue how you faked this one, other than having control over the site, but it's so obviously bad, it looks like the ultimate shitpost.I don't think India even has a billion PCs, let alone Steam having more users than Windows has users.
>>723871351I use Steam but I don't feel any loyalty to it or Gaben, why would I?
>>723873940Are you following Linus Cuck Tips to get the latest and greatest in how to fiddle with your settings and never play games?
Steam users are stuck in a cult.>life savings (game licenses) leveraged on it; if you leave, you lose everything>only friends are also steam cultists; if you leave, you have no friends>led to aggressively drive away anyone not using steam (insulating from family)>all for vague 2 more weeks promises: just another sale and you'll finally play through your "backlog" and be in heavenIt'd be sad if they weren't simps for a fat yacht-buying grifter who has never made a good game and has been the number one enemy of video gaming: fighting to normalize always online DRM, supporting DLC, pre-order DLC, renting DLC, woke, microtransactions, "free-to-play", and similar psychopathic predatory practices they especially like to field in "their" games (actually made by modders valve poached & corrupted) - remember the statement that all of their future games will be online. Quite simply one of the most evil corporations to exist, and all for a shit service only used because of the sunken cost fallacy.
>>723871351it is, being a private company with a pretty strict company culture and hiring process has let them avoid the enshittification all other tech companies have fallen to
>>723874080The same thing is written in that link too, and I believe Steam also acknowledges that top 5.
>>723871351Will never know how you can hate Amazon>order something>it's there in a day>if the drivers fucks up I call them and get a new driver next day. They have the best costumer service out of all stores in the world, you can send anything back and you get your money. Comparing Steam to Amazon is kinda funny because Steam is dogshit DRM that's forced on you, doesn't have a working anti cheat for any their games. The only thing it's good for is the store front.
>>723874098>Lose everything That's weird because I can still play the first game I bought on the account in 2006. 19 years, that's older than you anon!
Serious questionHas steam ever actually declined someone a refund here?Feels like you don't even need to give an explanation half the timeOne of the better things about steam service
>>723874098I could understand it back in the day when they were trying to attract people. Orange Box was a good deal, and you needed it for HL2. Steam sales used to offer significant discounts.I've always hated Steam, but I could understand people not minding it that much when it came out. These days? It's literally a gambling platform for fucking children. You couldn't make a more repulsive storefront if you tried.
>>723873153wait you really thought you own anything that exists exclusively in digital form? that was never the case
>>723874079Make sure to send your fat Jewish boyfriend some Halloween candy too, zoomulatto faggot
>>723874094I don't watch jewtubers fellow tranimefag. I have looked at the statistics and yes, cucksole market is shrinking every year while the opposite happens with PCs.
>>723874179>Has steam ever actually declined someone a refund here?yes plenty, if you play more than 1 hour you can't refund I can refund my 5090 I order on Amazon 3 weeks after I bought it.
>>723874202>wait you really thought you own anything that exists exclusively in digital form?I own literally tens of thousands of digital games. Not one of them was "bought" on Steam.
>>723874213Are you not tired of crying shitskin?
>>723874098but there's nothing that forces you to use steam on pc?go on and tell us how independent you are with your corporation branded console with every decision going through them
>>723874075>Normal adjusted people get through their day browsing this website just fineThere's nothing normal about you, bro
>>723874243It's 2 hours and within 2 weeks, which is still better than any other storefront in the market. Sometimes they even give you the refund even after playing for several hours.
>>7238739342015 is a very influential year in a cultural shift of the internet. Pepe was the headliner of US Internet searches that year. I imagine it's probably the singular biggest influx of posters the website has got and will ever get. That culture change of the website happened right as hiromoot was taking over too. Crazy to look back on in hindsight
>>723874243>if you play more than 1 hour you can't refundBut that's not true, I've literally refunded stuff with over 10hrs playtime before, you just need to give them a reason.
>>723874260Are you not tired of crying shitskin? Must be after defending Valve all day for a measly 2 rupees per post.
>>723874179Seems like it's changed if what >>723874243 says is true, but I remember being able to refund Valheim well over two hours at some point, and also Bloodstained so I could buy it on GOG instead. Really consumer friendly refund system at some point.
>>723871910It's possible, but it's also possible the leadership at Valve isn't corrupted enough to sell their infinite money machine
Kek steamies are worse than i thought
>>723874337https://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds/>Where Refunds Apply>The Steam refund offer, within two weeks of purchase and with less than two hours of playtime, applies to games and software applications on the Steam store. Here is an overview of how refunds work with other types of purchases.he's full of shit
>>723874098>life savingsdude even if you had a thousand games it would be far less than 10k usd>if you leave you lose thingsif I stop buying games I can still play my older games on steam, if I use other storefronts I can still play the games I have on steamalso >>723874179you can buy and refund an endless amount of games if you play less than 2 hours and the game was purchases less than 2 weeks agoI've refunded about 300 games last year alone, I use steam as a rental place where the price of rental is just a deposit you get backyou can even buy-refund the same game several times
>>723874337If you're a regular customer and the purchase is within 2 weeks you can usually beg steam support for an exception You only want to do this once in like every 5ish returns and you can't just refund everything you buy all the time. Steam support sometimes gives a leeway
>>723871351Benevolent dictator and literally any change made against it would just be a case of one step forward, with at least 5 steps back. Leave it the fuck aloneAnyone strongly fighting against it is likely a shill of its competitors
>>723874258>tens of thousands>digital>ownhaha sure anon
>>723874369steam is the reason you can even get games to pirate you brownoidadvocating piracy to others is fundamentally a low iq position that doesn't understand what the prisoner's dilemma is
why does gabeN make turd worlders seethe so hard??
>>723874218>tranime Newfag spotted. Keep up the great work though, buy more games on steam!
>>723874330But you're the one who's buttblasted at Valve dear subhuman shitskin.
>>723874517But you're the one who's dicksucking at Valve dear subhuman shitskin.
>>723874478Uh yeah I will tranimetroon. Be sure to support troontendo on the way!
>>723874551>shitskin has no argument so xhe just parrots my postsKek, critical levels of shitskin seething. I'm sure this childish behaviour will deter people from using Steam.
Reminder that the golden age of PC gaming died the moment Steam got normalized. Steam literally killed PC gaming
>>723874474they have no appreciation for soft power and reputation, they need their hard dictatorships like with consoles
>>723872072NOOOOO DELET
>>723874607>golden age is when you don't get games and the games you do get have restrictive disc protection
>>723874472>piracy wouldn't exist without steam!Man, thirdies say the funniest shit.
>>723874607Steam saved PC gaming, it made PCs as a gaming platform relevant, profitable in the eyes of gaming companies that refused to release games on PCs. This kind of revisionism will never hold no matter how much you repeat it.
>>723874605>shitskin has no argument so xhe just accuses anyone of not liking his Jewish storefront of sharing his shit colored skinKek, critical levels of poojeet coping. Keep shilling Ranjeet, maybe you’ll be able to afford the medium bag of curry this month.
>>723874674Man, the delusional revisionism of steamies never gets old.
>>723871351It's a natural monopoly. There is no benefit in having a dozen different stores and Steam provides the best service by far.
>>723874558>tranny tranny trannyNigger please
>>723871351It's a good store but piracy is still better, especialy now when companies refuse to do good sales.
>>723874661epic or ubisoft or ea or whatever scum would be in charge would have actually invasive drm instead of shit that gets bypassed in seconds like it is with steamor you would have no games at all because pc would just get passed overgood luck pirating shit then
>>723874742You are deeply retarded.
>>723874693>steam is jewishi take it that you don't play games on any platform then?because if steam is unusable to you then you have no excuse with consoles
>>723874736>>723872651>>723872595Is Steam literally nothing but brown third worlders playing cheap flash game shovelware they got on a “LGBTQAIIBBQ sale”? Grim
>>723874736I fully support the right of trannies to publish degenerate slop on Steam.
>>723872072>>723872114It makes sense really. Most white people still can't figure out how to use computers to this day, and those who can primarily use it for work, not gaming. Consoles still have a grip on first world markets.
>>723874773maybe try arguing next time instead of living in a world of delusion where things are better without steam
>>723872072Those India numbers are clearly wrong.
>>723874693Still using Steam my shitskin friend ;)
>>723874742EA is very ironic, because they doomposted that PC is a dead platform, but they never gave up on PC
>>723871351Gabe Newell personifies the concept of the philosopher king - one who rules fairly by a moral code, wielded with an iron fist. Technocrats like Bezos, Zuck have no morals except for whatever is the most politically expedient in the moment.
>>723874709>no rebuttalYou fags are bad at this. You are not convincing anybody.
>>723871547>steamiesLow T insult.
>>723874693>it's jewish because... BECAUSE IT IS!!!!!!are /pol/trannies the lowest IQ posters on 4chan?
>>723871547Uh oh, lots of steamy melty coming out of this post
>>723871547>invented loot cratesStop reading right there, that was EA with their shitty football game.
>>723874812>Consoles still have a grip on first world markets.All 3 console companies combined are only slightly bigger than PC market, and their market share is going down year by year, the opposite happens with PCs.
>>723874996it's jewish because it makes you pay for your products and that's unacceptablethose retards don't come from a realistic, financially solvent position and they think being able to pirate makes them better when anyone could do itthey're vegans of pc gaming
Why do jeets seethe so bad at the very mention of Steam or Valve?
>>723874607The fact is that PC gaming was well on it's way out before Steam arrived because of piracy. It was especially evident at retail stores, the PC games section was almost completely phased out and retail was basically just selling empty cardboard boxes with CD keys in them for the multiplayer. Steam didn't kill anything, it made PC more relevant than basically any other game platform on earth.
>>723871351Why are you sonyfags always starting shit with people?
>>723875064Because it BTFO's their console mindvirus tribalfaggotry
I don't simp for steamBut they haven't given me a reason to hate them either
>>723875064They are mostly paid shills from Microsoft and Nintendo. Regular Indian folks probably just play slop on their phones.
>>723871547>completely optional piece of hardware>completely optional piece of hardware>0 gameplay bearing on free games btw>completely optional piece of hardware>axshully valve is the only reason drm exists, unlike music and film where streaming doesn't exist>just a dogshit take>me no like games they make>me like games for 3 year oldsgo to bed todd.
>>723871547>steamies just have sunk cost fallacytrue, but it's selling it shortfor a while there, it was the cheapest and most convenient way to play pc gamesit was better than piracysteam sales were greatso people built libraries of gamesbut ultimately everything you said is trueI especially hate them for ending physical pc releases, though I suppose that would happen sooner or later
>>723874674no, that was china. they banned consoles for a long time which turned a country of 1.4b people into PC exclusive gamers. when you see longtime console publishers in japan saying PC ports are now a must, they don't mean steam per se, that's just the easiest option now. they mean the games must be sellable to the chinese audience.as it is, most of the biggest PC games aren't even on steam. i only used steam with humble bundles, and after hb went to shit i mostly stopped using steam too.
>>723875115It wasn't because of piracy. It was because of companies like Sierra, EA and Microsoft being incompetent, ultra-Jewish and downright evil.
>>723873631what will happen then is someone will reprogram it to say things that Gaben would not say and then claim that it's Gabens will
>>723875220China is not the only country where PC is dominant.
>>723875238What exactly did they do?Reminder, your beloved japniggers didn't release shit on pc and to this day some refuse to do so.
>>723875238Corpos were incompetent but it's more multifaceted than that. In 2003-2004, PC gaming was struggling with rampant piracy, no standardized digital distribution, and consoles were gaining significant market share. By the 2010s PC was thriving with the indie games revolution.Before steam the only signs of life on PC was MMOs and Strategy gamees and a handful of super dedicated autists.
>>723871351I wish they'd get rid of profiles. It's not supposed to be a fucking social media.
>>723871351steam as a service is finemodern steam as a developer is bad
>>723871547Based>last real game that wasn't assfaggots skinnerbox shovelware was Portal 2 15 years agoThis is why I wouldn't touch Steam with a 10 ft. pole. It literally has no games other than third party slop already available everywhere else.
>PC gaming is winning! It's growing!>The growth is a thirdie installing steam on his thinkpad
Still not installing Steam. I'm happy with my Nintendo Switch 2.
>>723872267Epic Games Store and the Nintendo E-Shop :)
>>723871351it's better than that
>>723872205Most PC gamers don't care about the Steam Deck or the steam controller. Because we have a PC already, retard.The rest of his points are about games I don't care about and the Index is still a top tier VR headset and Alyx is one of the few reasons to even get into VR.Their store just works and the only onces getting scammed are the devs and I don't care about those. Suffering artists are the best artists.
>>723875406PS2 was a juggernaut and Xbox standardized online stores. But the PC scene was still doing great with hit games like Battlefield 2, Age of Mythology, Counter Strike: Source, Warcraft 3 and UT2004. The problem was that the leading companies like EA and Microsoft refused to adapt and come up with good online stores when they had the chance.
>>723875441You can leave your "profile" as blank and private as you want until it's only a blank page with a name, not even an image. If you click on other people's profiles and then get mad that's on you.
>>723871351It's impressive how gullible and goy cultists are.Anyone not sub-80iq knows sales are a marketing tactic. Always been. You don't make a good price to begin with to then trick customers into thinking they "won" when you artificially >make price go up >make price go down. The goal is to make you brainlessly consoom and in fact statistically Steamies buy games they don't play.It would be one thing to be aware of it and use it anyway because of no alternative, etc. That's the thing. They aren't aware. They go and brag about being goys telling you how amazing it is to have SALES and praise Gaben for allowing them to be goy.It has drm. Steamfags can't even imagine what not having drm looks like and praise Gaben for giving the gift of drm to mankind..They'll condemn censorship only until Gaben does it and suddenly they approve of it.Those people simply want to kill PC gaming, there's no explanation.
>>723874883No shit Raj, Valve is paying for your favela to have electricity this month. Every post is another 5 minutes
>tards here will defend you will own nothing and be happy services /v/ has fallen
>>723875471This. Steam only grows because over half of its playerbase is Chinese. Consoles are HEAVILY restricted in China. Chinks aren't on PC because it's a better option, they're there because the government bans 99% of console games.
>>723875370Microsoft did some cartoonishly stupid shit like sabotaging and shutting down Ensemble Studios for no reason at all. While EA was infamous for shit like SecuROM. If I remember well Gaben came up with Steam as a response to legal issues with Sierra, which was on a death spiral at the time.
>>723875678that's all gaming ever though?you don't actually own your consoles like you do your pc or else your hardware couldn't be banned from using online if tampered with
>>723874098>if you leave, you lose everythingYeah try stop paying rent or taxes and see where you are going.Fuck me you must be 13, don't you have school to be?
>>723875471Literally nothing wrong with Thinkpads.
>>723875756You actually used to be able to own your consoles and at one point pc fags did buy physical games.
>>723875539Post Switch 2 with timestamp. Else, you are confirmes for jeet.
>>723875471meanwhile last gen consoles still contribute a significant amount to console userbase countersfunny to note that those thinkpads play more games
>>723875660>Raj>favelaYou are being racist incorrectly.
>>723875837>confirmes for jeet.brown steamie hands typed this post
>>723875639Maybe steam saving PC gaming is giving them too much credit. it really was just EA and Microsoft fumbling the bag. The games and communities were already there, steam just built the infrastructure that should have existed years earlier.
>>723875756I can play all my PS5 games offline.
>>723871547>no artifact copypastaTrash, apply yourself faggot.
>>723875726Consoles aren't ban did anymore thoever.
>>723875915>so brown and computer illiterate he can't even picture what a typo is on a typical keyboard
>>723875973>so brown and computer illiterate he can't even type in English
>>723871351No. I always try to buy the game directly from the developer or a platform that allows me to download my own installer.Factorio is one such example. I can download my licensed Factorio installer directly from the Factorio website any time I please. Or obviously the GOG. Like Cyberpunk would be a good example of that.Of the shite companies with retarded launchers Valve/Steam might be the best, yes.
A bit off topic but I've been curious for a while and surely someone in a Steam pros/cons thread can explain. What's the point of putting emulators on Steam?
>>723875950i can download my steam games and play them offline too and steam won't and can't do anything about itsteam can't decide what i can and can't do on my pc, valve is in fact pushing for linux where they'll have less control over the usermeanwhile everything that ps5 can do has to be preapproved by sony
>>723874996>dude le rent le license goydoesn't get much more jewish than that, steamie
>>723871547facts
>>723871351I have a habit of getting drunk and buying games, then I sober up and refund them. Steam has let me do this like a hundred times.
>>723876070People on your friends list can see what you're playing, it'll say "Dolphin (Non-Steam Game)." Only other reason I'd do it is on a Steam Deck for convenient, so I don't have to go into desktop mode to launch it.
>>723876070>What's the point of putting emulators on Steam?So you can show your Indian and transgender Discord steamie friends how many hours you racked up in PCSX2, that's literally it.
>>723875957Didn't say they were banned, just heavily restricted in terms of software
>>723876017imagine being uptight about typos on a website where people call each other niggersyou can't understand social situations and it shows
Why did PC fags stop buying physical games anyways did people stop buying disc drives for some reason?
>>723875915Confirmed for jeet.
>>723876113All stores are jewish, Steam is the least jewish.
>>723876184>call each other niggersyeah I imagine you get called nigger a lot when you shit out your illiterate typo-filled indian posts, steamie
>>723876252lol >>723874736
>>723875950I can also play all my Steam games offline.
>>723875916Blizzard also missed their chance since they hyper focused on WoW. They had the best position to come up with their own online store.
>>723871351Valve is a private company so there's no outside pressure for them to make it terrible for a quick buck.
>>723876287i'm not even that guy, just defending that guy because you're a histrionic unempathetic brownoid that is the reason this website has become lower trust over time when you get mad about typos
>>723876070>What's the point of putting emulators on Steam?Probably to be seen as valid and legal.
>>723876294And how is this any different from any other cucksole company out there?
>>723872072>"babe, new whiteness map just dropped"
>>723876359>4chan went downhill when I get called a retarded nigger for typing like a retarded nigger!kek, dumbest shit i read on here.
>>723874860Yeah no shit. They make up less than 1% of Steam's total bandwidth usage.
>>723876245>did people stop buying disc drives for some reason?yes
>>7238764464chan went downhill when niggers like you start conversation threads about typos because you're spite fuelled bitches that feel the desperate need to win everything and you need that last word inthat's it, no more (You)s, stew in your misery
>>723876447holy shit, fucking btfoed
>>723871351fluffalways furries steam is a breeding ground for grooming
>>723876447>steam shills are chinks and Brazilians grim
>>723871547>Popularized PC DRMZoomers belong in forced labor camps
>>723876245Why the fuck would I want some crappy disc taking up space
>>7238765254chan went downhill when sub-80 IQ nigger retards like you spamming this board with your retarded posts, nigger. >thinks 4chan replies are le upvotesLol run back to plebbit zoomer nigger , it's all you're good at.
>>723873054your brown so ofc you can say it
>>723876661Okay zogbot.
>>723871547FPBP. Steamies utterly annihilated.
>>723876661Based. Physicaltrannies BTFO.
>>723875749MS and EA closed a lot of stuff, what does it have to do with PC as a platform?MS going unified platform helped PC a lot, it was retarded and probably killed the XBOX.Stuff like Securom was part of the reason why EA still bothered with PC. Maybe they were just tsundere and would've remained on PC anyway, but drm ironically helps the platform in the sense that companies believe they can still somewhat protect their products.PC wasn't on the verge of dying because of that stuff, it was because they were all afraid of piracy and compatibility issues. These days its more of a hazzle to release something on console than on PC. Back then there was a chance shit just wouldn't run day one and you had to be competent enough to fix shit yourself and install patches.
>>723876674based as fuck
>>723871351I refuse to use Steam because I don't want to run a piece of software that has nothing to do with the game in order to play said game.
>>723876245because there's functionally no distinction between physical and digital, it's the same files served differentlythe only advantage of physical comes from when you don't actually play games and want to have the legal right to peddle old plastic to recoup your lossesavailability too, not everything is available physical and i'm not hoarding hundreds of discs vulnerable to rot and rummaging through the pile to play a specific game
>>723874607We are in the golden age of PC gaming right now
>>723875832that was done for tax evasion. but playstation also had some sort of development kit for normal users (with limitations)
>>723876245I didn't buy games at the time but my impression is that PC games literally disappeared from store shelves. Corporations have to fight for shelf space and all the big PC companies either were going bankrupt or were more focused on the bigger console market.
>>723871547This.
>>723871351There's a difference between a monopoly of quality and a monopoly of circumstance If the market is incapable of producing a better service then tough shit
>tendietroon just replying to himselfKek
>>723874098I dont get steam sales you can get keys on ebay for cheaperthe sales are the same on shit like psn but you cant get discs
>>723871547>shitty storefrontName a better one.
>>723876793Microsoft had a thing called MICROSOFT GAME STUDIOS that mostly made PC games you fucking zoomer, just fucking kill yourself holy shit. EA had many top selling PC exclusives like The Sims and Battlefield.
>>723876841>discs vulnerable to rot Have you every heard of m-discs retard they last longer than you or your hard drive ever will. >rummaging through the pile Oh how dare your fatass get up for two seconds and look a shelf.
steam, at one point, was the "little guy", it's not the little guy anymore, and has begun to tear itself apart in favor of profiteering. But that's inevitable so until it crosses the threshold to annoying, I don't really c are.
>>723871351So much shilling latelyHe paid you, huh?
>>723874146its jeff vs gabeyou are told ones a evil jew vs the gabe is here to save you from everything yet divinity original sin 40 usd on steam
>>723876986PSN sales aren't in my local currency and they aren't as visible.
>>723874146Bezos is on the Epstein Files.
What am I supposed to use instead?
>>723877265Pirated GOG copies on DVDs.
>>723872072Almost 3x the amerishart population is by poojeetsLmao
>>723871351"Big Tech" is a dumb meme to distract from Big Pharma and the MsM. You can notice proportionally with people mentioning this "Big Tech" more, the mention of things that matter a lot more dropped. It is further suspicious how a lot of that sector's leaders are new money who suddenly ascended after having a profitable idea. Almost like the old money in the Medical, Media, Banking, etc. Industry also likes the double win of besmirching some "commoners" who got too close to them.
>>723877307You can't do that with anything larger than 15 GB.
>>723877032u mad?>mostlyyou make no sense. Guess why they pulled resources from making PC games.
>>723877393Pretty sure you can download Cyberpunk 2077 in small chunks that can be burned to 20 DVDs
>>723877307>just steal like a nigger No.
>>723877439I will be mad about Microsoft shutting down Ensemble Studios until the day I die.
>>723877496
>>723877517It's not stealing, it's a copy.
>>723877496I mean multiple CDs can work, but it would be rather tedious.
>>723871351>provide good service>use service because of it
>>723877078yes, discs never get damaged or anything unlike steam copies that just become nonfunctionaldelusional>Oh how dare your fatass get up for two seconds and look a shelf.what if i don't want to devote my space to a reddit karma farming shelf?
>>723871351Didn't gaben swear on me mumz grave that if steam somehow went bankrupt that any game bought would available to download for offline play? This is not applicable anymore i'm sure
>>723877823No fat more hats jew
i have one diehard steamie friendhe also thinks ukranians should die out for ukrainehe listenst to asmongold and loves trumphe thinks astrobot is unironically best gameyeah that about sums it up
>>723871351As long as Gaben supports Linux, i will do whatever he wants.
>>723875779>Rent>TaxesWhat a retarded comparison but lets go with the rent example>Live in apartment for a few years>Decide to move>Landlord: "Actually, you can't take anything from here to your new home">Wtf!? I bought them myself! Maybe the refirigator and oven can stay as they were free from you but I want my furniture that I bought>"Actually, you licensed them according to our contract when you bought them to my lands, thank you and goodbye. Yeah I didn't make them but you use them here so it's just a license. Or you can always not move to my competitor's apartments and stay here..."Like even with the retarded comparisons you picked it doesn't work and you make it even worse.Genuinely what is wrong with you to defend Valve to this extent? This is snoy/tendie levels of corpo and brand worship.
>>723871351they are just like nintodlers, anyone who has 'brand loyalty' is retarded or worse American
>>723878317but valve lets you take your games anywhere you want as long as it's you, lets you share them with your family and won't chase you for your death certificate when you pass it to someone else?
>>723872072>more than half of the indian population uses steam>more indians use steam than have access to internetlmao fucking retarded nigger
>>723878391>but valve lets you take your games anywhere you want as long as it's youLike other storefronts?I can understand not letting you take games that Valve has made but you should at least still own them.And>Yeah your family can of course visit your apartment as long as they live in apartments that I own. Otherwise they better not fucking touch anything you have licensed!
>>723871351If you want to game you’re basically forced to use it unless you pirate everything
>>723878703yes? the point of digital games is that they're indestructible and they're a private company that doesn't charge you for 20 year old games againit's more like having indestructible furniture that only you can use or let others use as opposed to having fungible destructible furniture>>Yeah your family can of course visit your apartment as long as they live in apartments that I own. Otherwise they better not fucking touch anything you have licensed!how many people can legally use the same copy of your physical games at the same time? digital wins here lmao
is this "monopoly" in the room with us?
>>723871351Steam is better than other huge antichrist companies because it isn't publically traded, but it could still stand for improvement. I personally think an early access game updating or releasing should renew your refund window, maybe even a game updating at all considering how many games have done shitty updates to fuck over their players. I also wish they let you way more easily actually download mods from the workshop, ie save them locally so you keep the same stable version without updating it against your knowledgeI also think it would be nice if free games had a smaller publishing fee
>>723879057>2021>Steam has nearly doubled in size since then
>>723879094yet still not the king of pc gaming
>>723879192yeah it isthat roblox number accounts for ALL platforms.steam is just pc.
>>723879217lolsteamniggers count 50 bot accounts as separate userskys
>>723879057>Comparing individual viral games to a general storefrontAre PC cum-guzzlers all this stupid or is it just you? Did Gaben lobotomize you with his corpo-digital-license-only cock?
>>723879289If we're gonna talk about bots let's talk about how for every 10 of the 20m users grow a garden was getting at it's peak came from, 3 were from the same IP
>>723879312yeah it's kind of unfair for riot, their launcher is just like 3 games while valve and epic have like 100k games combined
>>723878893You(?) were the one who compared wanting to leave the storefront with paying rent so I have been going with that retarded comparison for you.Idgaf if you can't share physical, but the point is that you own fucking nothing and people here defend it. I am very, VERY, neutral on Steam as I of course use it. But going to such fucking lengths to fellate if not deepthroat corpo boot is disgusting.If you are unable to take any criticism... Sorry, I mean if you are unable to accept any criticism towards a MULTIMILLION COMPANY THAT IS THE BIGGEST PC GAME DISTRIBUTOR ON THE MARKET, then I fucking don't know.Again, this is snoy/tendie level brand loyalty and corpo defending. And I genuinely don't understand why.WHY isn't any criticism allowed towards Valve? WHY!?Like the other anons have pointed out lootbox gambling and Valve ignoring TF2 and breaking it by chasing e-sports and matchmaking trends but still slapping lootboxes full of stuff community makes, but we have anons here defending it and showing nobody is old enough to have played it before MyM.It's genuinely disturbing what corposlut /v/ is full of. This board criticized digital-only and not having ownership but now we have people paying full prices for digital games they don't own and saying "bro this is normal you can't share physical it's bothersome to use physical".Also as I haven't used Family Sharing, but you can play same game in multiplayer at the same time on two different accounts?I gotta make a new acc for my shitty laptop and try some multiplayer shenanigans. Or play some multiplayer games with my sister so she doesn't have to buy them. Finally BG3 multiplayer with her(she doesn't want to shill money for BG3 herself).
>>723879713>am very, VERY, neutral on Steam as I of course use it.Yeah sure. What are we supposed to use instead?
>>723879713you don't own anything anywhere, it's all licenses all the way down regardlessyou're bitching about the innate and immutable property of shit while ignoring how little valve is actually doing to curtail your freedoms
>>723874352lmao
>>723871351Every time I buy something on Steam I feel I can lose it at any time.
>>72387919280% of Roblox players are third worlders on their $100 Android phone.
>>723871351It's trash just like every other digital software distribution platform including EGS, e-shop, PSN and xbox store or whatever it's called. I don't want to rent a fucking 70$ loicense that can be taken away from me for saying a >word. Physical and piracy is the only morally correct way to game
>>723879398No don't you see. Steal a Brainrot going from 1 million concurrent to 25 million concurrent in an hour is totally organic and not botted at all.
>>723879825>Yeah sure. What are we supposed to use instead?...Maybe have the ability to play your games without any DRM retardation? GOG is best alternative but that's it.And I don't wanna be like the retards who spam about Monopoly but if you only have one choice, then I dunno what to say.>>723879875And now you are defending the system by defending Valve.Again.WHY!?Why can't people ask for better? This is the monarchy level of "well this is the best system we have so could you stop asking for more? :( Our king is kinda nice at least even if we don't own anything and have to bow down to him :)"I despise the blind corpo worship. You can say Valve is best of the all options. Okay, great(your opinion man) but it's not fucking perfect for "consumers". You still can't play without their DRM like you can with GOG.Why do I have to launch Steam for HoMM3 HD(I don't own it because it's shit), but can launch HoMM3 I bought from GOG without having to launch some GOG's drm platform?Why can't Steam do that?You do understand we had Stop Killing Games for a reason, and this is approaching PirateSoftware level coping about defending corpos when you cannot even ask for anything better and get barraged with "SHUT UP [other brand because oh lord anyone who doesn't like your corpo must be fan of another]SHILL VALVE IS GOOD AND STEAM IS PERFECT!"Btw does the family share thing work on multiplayer games I wanna know. Otherwise it's just like lending your physical game to friend or family member
>>723880094I still own the games I bought for 18 years.
>>723879713>you own fucking nothing and people here defend it.Honestly this doesn't matter that much. Steam only needs to last as long as im alive, everyone else can get fucked.
>>723872007>Using the social features of SteamCringe, possible ERP'er
>>723871351It's not as bad as those. >not as personal data hungry and privacy raping as the companies at the top>no forced paywall if you aren't logged in>no sub based nonsense>prices are ok, even has lots of great classics at <$10>outages are rare>steam drm is easy to bypass>doesn't delete your account if you don't use it for x months or years>no major leaks that I know of and nothing as absurd as tech giants storing password in fucking text files, e.g. Facebook>the store even has NSFW, no excessive pandering to puritan normalfags and other zeitgeists>getting banned in valve games is almost impossible unless you use hacks
The moment Gabe retires Steam is going to go down the shitter so fast. Your libraries aren't as safe as you think they are.
>>723880568the only level of better you could possibly ask of steam is literal shareware tier licences or being able to give or trade them away and if those were a thing then digital marketplaces would diea digital game is inherently superior, it doesn't physically age or get damaged and it would be extremely convenient to sell it, a few button presses and it's gone to literally anyone on the planetif steam implemented this shit the devs would unironically just take their shit and leave immediately because you just told them that their long term revenue can get fucked because you need the scrounging kike customers to have their money back on what's already the cheapest entertainment on the planet
>>723871547You forgot to mention that Valve literally invented the battlepass.
>>723872732do you know what a monopoly is? do you know how many fucking store platforms there are? how the fuck is steam a monopoly in any way shape or form?
>>723880568Dude you sound like a fucking retarded child.>>723879713Literal children are stomping around in this thread. Has anyone realistically had to deal with any of these things? I swear to god you zoomers have been poisoned early on in life to be bitching over hypothetical situations and such. What you’re crying over in this post is over a decade old and valve has made some consumer friendly changes when it comes to those things. They have two games for free, and you don’t have to ever interact with their cosmetic content or battle pass. Why is this such a massive point of contention for you? Getting this riled up over steam/valve is weird as hell. It’s like back in the day we had game stop threads because steam wasn’t that popular. Crazy man
>>723880725>you own fucking nothing and people here defend it.>Honestly this doesn't matter that muchOkay. That's it.I give up with this thread. There is literally nothing you can do when people have this attitude./v/ is absolutely fucked. I hope that someday you all grow from corpo worship and actually start caring about consumer rights.At least remember this if nothing else.Majority of good features Valve added was because of legal reasons, not because of their own goodwill.
>>723880986>They have two games for free, and you don’t have to ever interact with their cosmetic content or battle passFinally/v/ embraces gacha!
>>723871351yes, but for me it's not sunk cost. i couldn't care less if steam died tomorrow, i'll just start pirating games i already own. but for now i prefer steam because the service they offer is really good and i can support (non-AAA) developersmy only real complain is that mary keeps banning unironically life-changing kamige like muramasa, and even those that somehow pass the review need patches from 3rd-party website which defeats the whole point of using steamsteam will be healed only when the uncensored version of Netorare Otoko no Ko ~Ore no Osananajimi no Mujaki na Otoko no Ko ga Masaka Sobou na Taiiku Kyoushi ni Yowami o Nigirarete Choukyou Sarete Itsu no Ma ni ka Kairaku ni Oborete Aheahe Double Peace de Video Satsuei Sarete Yorokondeita Da Nante!!~ will be available the store with no additional patches required
>>723881115Gachasloppa is P2W garbage with no gameplay.
>>723871351No. PCVegans are just cultists
>>723872032>but also they shouldn't have allowed porn games in the first placeNo? What kind of retarded logic is this?Dont want to see porn game? Dont fucking DISABLE enabled BY DEFAULT filter that hides themFucking christcucks
>>723881282>plays on a console where every aspect of the operating system, every game you can play and every function of it was preapproved by a console corpotry again
>>723881209>P2W garbageHow do you get Vaccinator in TF2?
>>723871547Retarded bait or seething NPC who is obsessed with culture war and idpol.
>>723871351No - it's better. Hail Gaben!
>>723871910Gabe's son Grey has been under his father's tutelage to take over once he steps down for awhile now. It's pretty obvious that Gabe intends for Valve and Steam to remain under majority Newell family ownership, especially considering Gabe's own negative views toward publicly traded companies, such as the one he use to work under. Steam makes way too much money consistently to have any reason to go public.
>>723881402you buy the mann co ticket for $1.50 or whatever that is and then buy every single weapon in the game off community sites for the equivalent of 30 cents total and get to buy a bunch of hats with the changeor get a lucky drop
>>723881380>posted from his Windows 11 PC that he only purchases games from Steam with
>>723872421>An actual AI on /v/Oh cool. whats the weather in sweden?
>>723881591>windows11cachyos actually, valve actually cares about freedom so they made gaming on an open source os viable>he only purchases games from Steam withwhy would i go anywhere else? i could branch out to gog but what's the point? i'd rather crack my games into offline copies than use installers
>>723881540>you buyP2W lmaoYou can always "buy" in gacha as entrance priceAlso can you even trade if you haven't bought anything else? Why are there "upgrade to premium" shit on sale in mannco if you can just add $1.50 on a completely fresh acc? I thought you had to add minimum $5 to buy anything in SteamI hope you aren't lying anon-kun...
>>723881810>P2Wnta it's all cosmeticslop...
>>723871547Why do you niggers reply to legitimate bait? Especially console war bait which is an extra flavor of faggotry on the shit cake?
>it's unfair to the competition to provide decent enough services>everything must be absolute dogshit to ensure other platforms can all thrive at rock bottom
I will never ever buy gog
>>723872007>RefundsDid you ever say Thank You to the Australia Government who fight Valve Corporation no refunds policy all the way through the Supreme Court’s.If not then shut up dumb American consumers.
>Epic pajeets are having another meltdownSad
>>723882059I hear this all the time but wtf are you talking about?
>>723881810you need to spend $5 on steam to not be a limited account, that's differentyou don't lose much functionality as an f2p and you get the full game experience for 30 centsyou can trade the rest away
>>723872595In the case of Russia and Brazil, might be a case of getting vac banned and making a new account
>>723872732>Complains about semantics>Doesn't address it and jumps to a strawmanAre you non-white perchance?
>>723882059>genetic fallacyconsoles still can't refund digital purchases if the game was opened for even 1 minute and stores don't accept opened gamesit's a valid advantage regardless
>>723881954Different weapons are just cosmetic? My bad, I guess. I didn't know Spy's Kunai and stock knife are the same! Or jarate and smg! Or mad milk and pistol!>>723882135>It's not p2w>okay you gotta pay $1.50 if you are a fresh acc but you get every weapon with it>well okay you gotta pay $5 shut up you get everything with that!Okay, so you just spend $5 and buy rest off of Steam Market? Oh boy I hope a new player knows how to navigate that...Hmm... Why am I seeing strange and killstreak versions of Vaccinator!? What is going on, anon? How do I use the $3.50, or rather 30 cents, to get the weapons?
>>723873431>Larping oldfag
>>723882480>misusing Larpeasiest way to spot a roleplaying redditor who came here in 2010
>>723882424>Different weapons are just cosmetic? My bad, I guess. I didn't know Spy's Kunai and stock knife are the same! Or jarate and smg! Or mad milk and pistol!you can get em ingame for free...
>>723882424you pay $5 to unlock all of the steam's features, it's not for tf2you could literally ask anyone that has played this game for at least a bit and they'd tell you not to buy anything besides the tickets and keys and whatever other mann co store exclusive shit there is
>>723871351Told you chads are reddit.
>>723882424Not only are stock weapons almost always superior, you don't have to pay to get other weapons, they drop randomly by just playing.
>>723882134Valve Corporation lied to Australia customers about refunds being offered. Evidence (that you can click and see) has been found that Valve Corporation website never offered refunds since their creation.Valve Corporation took the case, delaying it with American law tricks, lied to the courts and asked Supreme Court to intervene. They obviously lost, were fined for court dismembering and were forced to offer refunds or else the cases goes to American courts in Washington state where that will be the final decision.https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/valve-to-pay-3-million-in-penalties-for-misrepresenting-gamers-consumer-guarantee-rights
>>723873774Holy fucking shit it's literally live FOTM. Social media was a big fucking mistake no wonder we have no culture
>>723873774wtf is uptown funk???
>>723882424You're very bad at shilling your gachashit.
>>723872076>Console shitter>claiming anything is casualized
>>723882764It's a song from the OST of the anime Space Dandy
Timmy won.
>>723874201>It's literally a gambling platform for fucking childrendo they advertise it to children? I thought it was strictly for adults?
>>723882712This article sucks dick, doesnt even explain wtf they violated just that they did violate "something" about refunds.
>>723882292Valve did something worse than “no refunds”. They lied to the courts, lied to the public and give zero credibility on why they couldn’t offer any refunds.
>>723883045this is what genetic fallacy isyou obsess over the circumstances of the matter while ignoring that they objectively offer better service than every alternative in terms of refunds
>>723882530>He's a newfag who doesn't know what words aregrim
>>723882564You know what anon? You can get gacha characters for free too, if you grind enough!>>723882603Bro what the fuck anon you said it's f2p but you keep moving goalpost nonstop! Why aren't you helping a new player to get the only cosm- I mean the unlocks if it's easy?>>723882701>Having to rely on RNG to get dropsYou know, gacha games...Also I didn't know Bat, shovel, fire axe, fists, syringe gun, bonesaw, smg, kukri, (arguably Sniper Rifle too but all Sniper primarys are kinda bs, tho bazaar bargain in borderline direct upgrade), and stock pistol are superior!>>723882769Lmao I'm not shilling ZZZ it's absolutely average game with slow ass storyJust showing that TF2 isn't as "F2P with only cosmetic unlocks"(which is shit argument because lootboxes or "surprise mechanics" as EA puts it are shit design and encourages gambling) as anon saidNot only does getting to play TF2 cost $5(or giving Valve money other ways and locking your game to their DRM platform) but you also need to either grind a fuckton for unlocks, desperately try to trade for unlocks in-game, or use 3rd party sites and new player wouldn't know how and where you have to trade making them prime scam and hacking targets lel
>>723882972Not an article dumbass. The website is the official ACCC, a government agency with real lawyers.
>>723883170>zoomer shitskin doesn't even know what the acronym he's spamming means, just picked it up off from redditor he also saw misusing itgrim
>>723883274>You can get gacha characters for free too, if you grind enough!that's not true tho
>>723883274show me a gacha where spending 30 cents on the game content itself puts you at the same level as someone who has spent thousands
>>723883302Worthless government dogs can't explain shit then
>>723871351Until Gabe dies, yes
>>723883384AnonWhere and how do you use those 30 cents to get the weapons?You still haven't told me
>>723872754In the EU you do.
>>723883481you buy the $1.50 mann co ticket, buy your weapons, cash out on the remaining $1.20 and buy other games with itsteam is a platform where game items are fungiblegachashit isn't, all your money becomes worthless when shit eventually shuts down
>>723883307>He's still going with his oldfag larp and misunderstanding of wordsVery grim indeed
>>723871665Why do you hate pajeets? Valve sure loves employing them.
>>723883161Their “refunds” hurt indie developers. They take less from AAA developers and make small studios pay more. Virus inside Steam exists. Scammers in Steam exist. Copyright infringement inside of Steam Games.That’s not a good service, you’re just blindly trusting a corporation that doesn’t care.
>>723883671>TorontoGee wiz...
>>723881402If you genuinely believe TF2 is pay2win or that any build is objectively better than stock you are a confirmed scrub, skill issue, get gud etc
>>723882712>2017>8 years agoyou're still coping and seething about Steam to the point where you have that saved? Steam's refund policy is shit, but poors like you would abuse the shit out of it refunding games 24/7 if they had a "fair" one.As always, turd worlders and lazy poorfags ruin everything for the rest of us.
>>723883274>Also I didn't know Bat, shovel, fire axe, fists, syringe gun, bonesaw, smg, kukri, (arguably Sniper Rifle too but all Sniper primarys are kinda bs, tho bazaar bargain in borderline direct upgrade), and stock pistol are superior!They are. They have no downside.Pulling your fists doesn't decrease your max health over time, pulling your kukri doesn't make you take more damage or make you deal less damage at full health, the fire axe doesn't deal less damage if the target isn't on fire, etc...And nearly all of them random crit as well.
>>723878317>you licensed them according to our contract when you bought them to my landsYeah and? If it was in the contract, i agreed to it. If i had anything against it, i would look for another house. Again, grow up.
>>723883579>Buy your weaponsHey! Manmelter costs more than $5!!!Why are you lying!?
>>723878317you will never own your games until they are open source. It's trueIn 40 years the systems and hardware that can run legacy software like Win11 and below might not even exist anymore. Nobody will guarantee you that software still runs in 10 years. You can only hope for people to make emulators or reverse engineer that stuff, which is just as much possible as hoarding all your steam installs.
>>723883694>they weren't offering refunds! thats bad for the consumer!>Valve starts offering refunds>Their “refunds” hurt indie developers! thats bad for independent devs!Oh go fuck yourself you autistic console shit-eater. Your threads are always dogshit ragebait, you've never made a coherent point in your sad faggoty life.Pic rel alone puts steam 5000 miles above all competitors. Go cry about it poorfaggot.
>>723883731NTA, but-Fish is a better stock bat, because it can spy check.Original is better than a stock RL, because rockets from the middle rather than the side, aide in shots through tough geometry. Like cracks in floorboards.Frontier Justice, Widow Maker and Rescue Ranger, seem like straight up better shotguns.
>>723883624>zoomer retard doubling down on her misunderstanding of the English languagegrim, very grim indeed
>>723883786Not anon's fault that you're dumb
>>723883883Nah
>>723872743So SOME jeets are okay (but only when Valve does it). Good to know.
>>723883786because you could ask literally anyone on the fucking planet how they're able to afford weapons if they're that expensive and they'd tell you to not buy from the official storeor is that triggering your social anxiety?
>>723883915>He's still going Grimmer jimmers batman
>>723871547>deck shitted and floppedalready wrong.
>>723873431>t. favela monkey consoleshitter
>>723883387>I someone with no law degreeSure buddy, whatever you say
>>723884082>tripling down on her chronic pojeet misunderstanding of Englishgrim
>It's another episode of consolefags wanting to spread their anti-consumer consolefaggotry onto other platforms
>>723883739>Steam refunds do exist right now>No you’re going to abusive it7 years and this never happened anon, you’re just being raciest at this point.
>>723884050you should strive to understand the concept of the bell curve
>>723884037>nuh uhBut, in fact, yeah huh.
>>723873431>we never liked valve, newfagI hate newniggers so much its unreal
>>723884346>>723884154samefagging wont make anyone like your fat jew, you faggot redditor
>>723884346Hes right, shit eating subhuman steamjeet.
>>723883880lol you realize fags will label non lgbtq games with that label right? you're literally filtering like 80% of games so this must be bullshit
>have a superior product>no other company can outdo your product despite having billions of dollars at your disposalLike yeah steam has a monopoly and they are indeed going through some legal shit with their "can't sell non-steam games for less than the steam version" thing but you can't really say there are any better alternatives. GoG is like the closest you can get and it's only real advantage is DRM-free games but that's something inherent to the product, not the platform. There's nothing stopping me from releasing a DRM-free game on steam right now.
>>723883880>No protection against scams or fraudConsole offers actual protection against scammers and thieves. Steam doesn’t offer any security. Checkmate loser.
>>723884154The more you beat around the bush and post vague statements about how steam violated consumer rights and then back it up with public statements that dont explain shit lead me to believe that aussies turned a molehill into a mountain with valve. The fact that the EU didnt notice this egregious violation alongside me being pretty sure I could refund gamess well before 2016 really makes me doubt anything you claim. Either explain how valve violated CRs via refunds or fuck off.
>>723883963That's still more than 30 cents... And if all weapons cost that much, won't that make me go over $5 in no time?How should new player know to go to Market part of Steam to buy a "Strange" version of a weapon?>>723884067Why should a new player ask a rando who might scam them rather than getting those weapons from official source?Remember, we started with buying $1.50 ticket in >>723881540And now we have ended with needing to actually pay $5 and ask for random people for help on trading economics and where to get unlocks that supposedly weren't even in any shape or form p2w(fucking wrangler)I just cannot believe how much people bend over for Valve and cannot say that entering TF2 as a new player is fucking painful and instead starts making excuses for Valve and how jumping through hoops is actually good
>>723884238tall poppy syndrome. Professional shit eaters seething that others have better taste. They're like the manchild incel version of a modern feminist.>>723884279shut the fuck up, don't @ me, you're literally too stupid to have a conversation with, you're shitting your pants in manchild rage right now aren't you? poorfaggot. Go sodomise yourself with your controller while you play games made for kids.>>723884346To be fair there's giga-autists on the other end of the spectrum, usually physical media schizophrenics, who hate Valve too, because they hate the future.
>>723884398>>723884437>he learned what a samefag was and used itsounds cool newnigger
>>723884507steam isn't your dadmaybe you should develop some common sense
>>723884398faggot
>>723871547>>ruined TF2Only valid take on this list.
>>723884507my high iq is better protection than anything a consumer-hostile console corpo can offer, shit eater. Not that you'd ever understand it, being retarded.This thread is insulting my intelligence, im out. Enjoy eating shit, if the mods weren't a bunch of faggotroons they'd IP ban retards like OP on principle alone.
>>723883883>Fish is a better stock bat, because it can spy check.That's a pretty minor advantage, and that sounds more like a bug than a feature.>Original is better than a stock RL, because rockets from the middle rather than the side, aide in shots through tough geometryAnd with stock you can shot around corners.>Frontier Justice3 shots without crits because your sentry is up or haven't done anything (or some medic stole the credit) is a pretty big downside>Widow MakerPlenty of instances where you'll be without a primary because you'll have used most of your metal>Rescue RangerFucking dogshit as an actual weapon, thanks to being a projectile with a shotgun fall-off, and being marked for death while carrying shit>Stock shotgun6 shots, hitscan, not affected by your metal capacity, doesn't need your sentry to have been destroyed to be effective, doesn't mark you for death
>>723884535steam is a fucking GAME PLATFORM, you buy GAMES ON ITthat $5 account unlock should absolutely not be an issue for you and you should have it before you've even touched tf2so yes, it's 30 cents in the real worldhow do you gachaniggers function if buying games and paying 30 cents to get the remaining 10% of the game's functionality is too much for you yet you spend magnitudes more on perishable goods
>>723884649>>723884568>she learned to post with her phone so she can suck gabe jew's dick twice as hardkek
No I run that crap in a sandbox and then I nosteam my installed games after downloading them so I don't have to use that drm jeetbloat posing as a program again
>>723872072Anon...
>>723871547I wonder who makes these posts.
>>723871351Valve is not a publicly traded company though.This is why (((they))) are shitting on it so much
>>723872369>>723872524He obviously meant online drm, online drm was unheard of before valve released hl2 in 2004. Valve literally started "you will own nothing and be happy"
>>723884508Both me and the official government website clearly stated Valve Corporation lied to people. There is archive of the original Steam User Agreement in that website that highlighted the fact of no refunds. There is archive of the policy. There is court documents of Valve Corporation lies.Tell me how wrong you were.
>>723873431>weby we you mean low iq consolefags? Then yeah that lines up
>>723884839You smell of cow dung saar
>>723871547Tpbp
>>723877210>Bezos is on the Epstein Files.muh files if they were real they would have been leaked already literally a nothingburger by lefties. That's what real is the pictures with Bidens son and those 6-8 year girls old, that's creepy as fuck.>>723877151I'll take amazon over steam any day of the week. Steam is literally useless because if steam would be dead we would just all go back to pirating our games like before steam.
I guarantee you that 90% of the anti-steam fags itt either don't play games on PC or have 250+ game 10 year old accounts that they play on every day and just wanna troll.The rest are actually pure GoG/Epic games fags (Mostly GoG)
>>723880568>no better choice existsSo your just pissing yourself ITT then. K. When a better alternative comes out I'll switch until.
>>723884998ok ninjeet
>>723884949Suck harder jeetminion, but youll still earn peanuts lol cuckmade
>>723884839These entire threads are tim's indian's, anon.Why do you think it's a 24/7 faux-general?
>>723885098still not buying the shitch poo, saar
>>723885089The people in this thread are not real people giving you their actual opinion.
>>723884714>Doesn't deny that fish, (which counts hits on enemies), does what it's supposed to doMad Milk is another scout based spy check.>RLWhy would a roam or pocket 'shot' around corners?>FJIf you're playing on non-sweaty 6's/PUGs, even if you're not gun slinging, I wouldn't see why you wouldn't be placing sentries at all and wouldn't benefit from storing crits?>RRI concedestill, Equilizer was so much better than stock melee on Soldier, they had to nerf it into a shittier version and a half.Any other boxing glove is better than stock hands on heavy.Sandvich, you could argue is better in slot than stock shotty on heavy.Bushwacker outclasses stock Kukri.Revolvers have almost more cases for arguments, regarding which is better for certain scenario.STOCK MEDI-GUN is PISS compared to Crusader's, or the saw's compared to stock.
>>723885112>>723885095Lol keep coping you ugly minion cocksucker, your cuck jeetapp gets the sandbox treatment
>>723885112It was a rhetorical question.
>>723871547Sweeney's strongest soldier
>>723885262Lol poojoos replying to themselves Like anyone cares about your cuckcorp
>>723884558>>723884692>No facts to dispute, Steam’s history with customers are bad.>No i a steamie will defend the Corporate AmericaYou people are crazy you know that.
>>723885338
>>723885208jeets calling others jeets is endlessly hilarious, we can all tell you're brown but you're genuinely too low iq to understand how
>>723884792>they cannot make 10 accounts per indiani have not bought single steam game yet i have like 6 accounts back when my friends wanted to play cs
>>723885442Poojoo posting from the ghetto on a pre owned shitbox it stole from somewhere lol
>>723884932>online drm that gets bypassed in seconds with a universal cracker bad>offline drm that needs specific workarounds or requires using a specific console good
>>723885530You smell your own poo and live in poo, people avoid you, you are poo
>>723884748Why should you participate on usinf a platform if you want to just play one gameAgainFor the xth timeWhy do you, and almost everyone on this thread, so fucking adamantly defend Valve and refuse to accept any criticism towards Steam as a platform, their business models, or even simple stuff as TF2 being hard to enter as a new player, a thing that fucking TF2 fans even complain aboutI doubt you even play TF2 and are just paid shill at this pointEveryoneLITERALLY EVERYONEknows you have to have a friend who shows you all the ropes and how TF2 even works. This isn't even in the end a Valve/Steam thing, even if both play role in said problem, but a simple fucking fact about TF2You are so married to Valve or just refuse to admit you are wrongAll you could've said at start was>"Ahh yeah, fair enough. You gotta jump through hoops to get the weapons and that sucks as a new player"But you are afraid to admit you were wrong on anonymous environment, where it is so fucking safe to be wrong but you keep doubling and tripling downJust look at yourself brother, is this what you wanna be? Can you say to your mother with straight face that you defended Valve? Like go through all your messages defending the fucked up system to get the unlocks.This is like Blizzardfag sucking off Blizzard and insisting WoW has no problems or tendies saying Nintendo does never nothing wrong.You can hate and despise me as much as you want but fucking don't lie to yourself and learn to accept that you might sometimes make mistakes and be even wrong sometimesAlso I just fap to gacha girls. ZZZ is boring slop
>>723873431>we never liked valve, newfag
>>723871351The alternative is Epic which is just a glorified Fortnite launcher that no one uses for anything else (see: Hades being an Epic exclusive for a year, getting 0 traction, moving to Steam and instantly becoming a best-seller).There's also places like Itch and GOG if you want mostly indies or games detached from DRM bullshit, but they're obviously leagues behind Steam.
>>723871547Snoyboy false flag
>>723884932>online drm was unheard of before valve released hl2 in 2004lmaoyour playbook clearly has holes
>>723885723>Also I just fap to gacha girls. ZZZ is boring slopCome on man you had me agreeing with you the entire time
>>723885835kinda crazy how steamies think steam does anything besides shit on gamesif everyone made their own launcher we would not have vermin such as yourself here
>>723885683I'm as white as it gets and I live in the woods in a first world country, keep coping
>>723885723I have never in my life heard of even the most retarded inbred faggot needing to be told how TF2 works
>>723885723why do you expect to receive shit for free, that's not how any business works, your gachas especiallyall it takes is talking to literally anyone with a shiny hat and they'll tell you how to get everything for 30 centsno one is disputing tf2 being hard to get into, your muh p2w crying just makes no fucking sense if the real cost to playing the game at its fullest is 30 cents and it doesn't scale any higher while 80% of the content is available for zero
>>723883307>picked it up off from
>ctrl-f 'steamie'>24 results
>>723873451>hating steam is the hallmark of contrarian newfaggotry, a desire for rebellion without any understanding for why the order is the way it isThis is the core zoomer mindset. That's why you see so many protests yet nothing changes because they don't understanding what they are protesting. If they had a clear mind away from social media then they would have effective change because they would know what the fuck they are talking about. This extends to vydia as well
>>723886342steamie hindu seething lol
>>723872732Steam doesn't fulfill the retarded definition of monopoly either.
>>723886078When has Steam shat on games?
>>723871547nah, i just use biggest gaming/streaming service for convenience and pirate the rest, sure I could pirate everything but why the fuck would I bother with backing up all those patches, mods I liked,music, movies etc. when I can just hit download, slap some steamwork shiít on it and play, I can go full pirate anytime when steam decides to be more gay than it is and actually steal my games
>>723886592ever since they started selling games they dont own
>>723886528imagine getting a ban over a page 9 thread over the bump limit
>>723886342why would indians hate steam? its by far the most popular platform there
>>723884238I can buy my games from many placesin your mind its only steam gotta make daddy gabe happy
>>723886656imagine giving a fuck about bans
>>723884558>who hate Valve too, because they hate the future.the future of a one way monopoly
>>723886662Don't lie; it's mobile games and playstation.
>>723886751one way monopoly that loves freedom so much they invested into an open source platform and their drm is so light all it takes to strip it out is a single universal file replacementit can't be any better really
>>723886905they love freedom so much that they remove games when feminists request them to
>>723886872Yeah right, it's all phones and piracy there
>>723886994they can't fight payment processors without preparation can they now?do you think that those obscure porn games could be on any other platform to begin with?
>>723887386fuck off corpo cock sucker
>>723887725i accept your concessionyou're projecting the actions of the mastercard and visa cartel onto valve
>>723887857le redditting redditok go suck corpo cock nigger lol
>>723881294What i meant to say is that they shouldn't have even bothered with nsfw games if they do nothing for them when shit hits the fan. Like, please, at least try to say "fuck off" to paypal/visa/mastercard.
>>723888023whatever platform you use wouldn't have had that game in the first place and no amount of cope will change that
Tim's definitely getting what he paid for in regards to shill quality.
>>723888103>games would not exist without steamholy shit lol
>>723888258PC gaming was literally dying before steam, yes.
>>723888258the porn game you're trying to bludgeon steam over wouldn't be on any other modern platform, yesare you out of copes?
