10 years later.. what's the verdict on Dark Souls 2 Scholar? >Release date 02/04/2015
It's pure sovlfvl kino
>>723874215it's my comfort game
last bastion before rollslop took over for goodnot anywhere near as good or memorable as 1 but still solid for what it was.
>>723874215>didn't fix lighting>didn't improve game pointless
>>723874215Did everything 1 did but better. It's the best game in the series, best dlc, best girl, best majula, best everything.
That game stopped loading my gamesave after a reinstall. Fuck FROM SOFTWARE MIYAZAKI YOU SON OF A BITCH GO FUCK YOURSELF SUCK A BAG OF DICKS YOU RICE NIGGER
>>723874215worse than the originalplays like a mod of someone who did half a playthrough of DS2
>>723876000Is there such a thing as a bad second half of the game, like the first game, in DaS2? I ask because I never got there >>723875747
>>723874215I despised the enemy placement, too crowded
>>723874215Feels like playing 4 different games at once with the same character, very comfy.
>>723876000>>723877000What is going on ITT
>>723877175Theres two sets of people.Those that only played Scholar, so any pic of it makes them think about DS2 as a wholeAnd those that played DS2 on release and only see scholar for the cheap dx11 remix it was
>>723874215Same one it was a decade ago: pretty good
>>723876085Yes, the second half of DS2 sucks just as much as the first half.
>>723877361Anon I think he was talking about the digits in those two posts
>>723874215Can anyone who played og DS2 and scholar explain what scholar actually changed?The only thing i've read is scholar adds Aldia and another ending + comes with all the dlc.
>>723874215started out as a kings field game out of 10
>>723879636Enemy placement (some REALLY retarded changes)Petrified people
>>723874215I'm neutral when it comes to ds2, but it brings a smile to face seeing obscure youtube channels expose all the ds2 critics as simply being bad at the game
>>723880264Being good at das2 makes you HATE das2.
>>723880308Wrong, though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqNvpRq_ZXk
>>723874215the downgrade was so laughably bad i lost all interest and never touched it despite 100ish hours in dark souls. Never played Watch Dogs either for the same reason.
Pretty good with agape ring.
>>723880264It's a shame Souls as an IP is so popular because 2 always had the makings of a janky cult classic
>>723881382based dragon chad
>>723882692It is a janky cult classic. It has many problems and it's shit compared to DS1 in terms of regular movement and combat due to how slow it is, with certain exceptions that are pure gold (backstabs and fog wall denial), but it's sovl when you actually learn to play around SM
Only game in the series that understood what a souls game is supposed to be
>>723874215holy kinoi dont begrudge anyone who likes das1 better. but 3 tourists need a rope
>>723874215I like it. most played fromsoft game aside from elden ring purely because of the PVP.
>>723874649This unironically
>>723879636>>723879960The enemy placement and encounter design, ai behaviors, etc is better across the board in scholar. Take undead crypt for example. The vanilla game doesn't even feature skeletons. No skeletons in a crypt? Just retarded. And they made the bell gimmick much more important. In the vanilla game the ghost wraiths will just spawn regardless if the bells get rung, but in scholar you can destroy the bells to prevent a harder enemy from being spawned and ganking you. But the layout and design compensates for this by having more stones blocking your path you have to cut through and adds skeleton enemies to balance fighting and moving through the area, while also not ringing the bells in the process. It's simultaneously a more thoughtful and fair area, while also being more challenging if you screw up and lets the wraiths spawn. This is consistent with most areas in scholar as a whole. There's also more subtle changes than just enemies, like secrets, environmental decoration, etc that give each area more soul.
>>723878973dw i'm retarded
>>723874215this game fucking blows ass why are you all pretending it's good now
>>723884021>suddenlyIt was always good regardless of what your favourite literally soulless youtuber told you
>>723883136>t's shit compared to DS1 in terms of regular movement and combat due to how slow it isThe movement is way better and ds2 is much faster than 1
>>723883159its especially fun having to do that every time you want to fight the boss because scholar was made by retards>>723883968Castle Horse alone breaks any argument that scholar had decent enemy placementDragon in Heide, Iron Keep as a whole, Pursuer lmao, the skeleton in Aldias place, Ghost people in Shaded Woods properEven Undead Crypt was fucked in the last hallway to Velstadt by just shoving random Dragonriders thereIts feels like one of those retarded mods people keep putting on Nexus that just changes shit for the sake of itIts like they went>oh this place wasn't annoying/PREPARE TO DIE HARDCORE enough? Lets make it worse!
>>723884021Because the other game that was made by this twat, elden ring, was so much worse
>>723874215Im trans btw
>>723884136>his faggot headcanon is his only defense of this horseshit gamethis game is putrid ass, literally assaults my senses just looking at the horrible area and enemy designs. don't get me started on how horrible this shit feels to play. also you're a faggot for pretending to like it just to disagree with whatever video essayists you watch you projecting contrarian
>>723884731>instant melty buzzword galoreconcession accepted lil man
>>723874215Why don't they just patch the game where they remove the ADP stat and auto set it to like 25, so people aren't forced to waste levels on it?They can also make it so you don't get hit while going through fog doors and once you open a regular door it stays open unless You close it.The hollow HP diminish is annoying, because you're forced to waste a ring slot, but I don't really care about it.
>>723884516>its especially fun having to do that every time you want to fight the boss because scholar was made by retardsThat's what a boss run is supposed to be. Before the series got taken over by soft casuals who expect a bonfire before every boss room.>Castle Horse alone breaks any argument that scholar had decent enemy placementCastle horse makes more sense than flexile snetry just chilling on the way to shaded woods>Dragon in Heide?>Iron Keep as a whole?>Pursuer lmaoOptional fights that actually reinforce what the persurer is?> the skeleton in Aldias placeA good change because the atmosphere of the area isn't decimated 5 seconds walking into the area with a cheap jump scare. And the gives the area some purpose and goal than just being a long hallway you walk down.> the last hallway to Velstadt by just shoving random Dragonriders therewhy would dragon riders not be there?>oh this place wasn't annoying/PREPARE TO DIE HARDCORE enough? Lets make it worse!ok so you're just soft and retarded and got filtered
>>723874215It's garbage, nothing about this pos feels good. Only a contrarian or fromtard would defend such garbage.
>>723883968>In the vanilla game the ghost wraiths will just spawn regardless if the bells get rungPretty sure that's a lie, if you kill the bell ringer in the hallway before Velstadt, the wraiths will not spawn>The vanilla game doesn't even feature skeletons. No skeletons in a crypt? Just retarded.But scholar is full of retarded placements that don't make sense. The invisible bandits in the foggy part of Shaded Woods, which in the vanilla game don't appear anywhere else as they were clearly made for that area? Now they're in other parts of Shaded Woods where they're clearly visible, and they're just NPC fightsThere are now Desert Sorceress in Dragleic Castle for some reason, where they look completely out of placeThe falconers with broken walking animations are now littered around Shaded Woods and Brightstone Cove where they are on full display, genuinely bizzarre shitThere's a copy of the Executioner's Chariot horse in the middle of Drangleic Castle for some reason, even though previously this was a completely unique enemy to the boss fightThere's a random, single Heide's old knight in the middle of Shrine of AmanaThey removed the giant deformed enemies (whatever they're called) at the bottom of Sinner's Rise, and added a copy of the Flexile Sentry that doesn't even fit through the elevator door lmaoI'm sure there's more but I haven't played Scholar in a while. It's just so obvious that changed a bunch of shit for the sake of it so that they could say Scholar was different enough, even if it made no fucking sense
>>723885032You dont need to put anything into adp if you dont want. Learn to play the game.>They can also make it so you don't get hit while going through fog doorsoh so just cater to retard casuals who wanna run by everything and not get punished for it?>The hollow HP diminish is annoying, because you're forced to waste a ring slotNo, you can use a human effigy to restore your hp. And it reinforces the themes of going hollow. But like usual, this retard soft fanbase just wants to be catered to because anything that isn't "press the roll button at the right time" and makes the game feel like an actual adventure game is muh annoying. lol
>>723885212>if you kill the bell ringer in the hallway before Velstadt, the wraiths will not spawnThere's bells before the hallway and in those rooms the wraiths just spawn and gank your ass and there's nothing to do about it.>The invisible bandits in the foggy part of Shaded Woodshow is that bad?
>>723884516>its especially fun having to do that every time you want to fight the boss because scholar was made by retardsSmelter demon run is particularly painful but the same thing existed for DS1
>>723885254This is an annonymous board you retarded nigger. Nobody cares about you puffing your chest while pretending to be good at a video game. Roll yourself off a cliff IRL.
>>723885863>Nobody caresYou're the one spouting your feelings and arguing with muh feels. I dont care to argue with your feelings because they dont mean anything. Understand that for people who actually want a challenging and hardcore dungeon crawling experience, an rpg with depth, dont consider the game having adventure and elements of survival to be "muh annoying." That's just being a good game.
>>723874215Is the Ivory King fight even doable without yhe assistance of the 4 knights? I'm actually tired of exploring the wintershit zone and don't want to search for all of them.
>>723884806>buzzword galore>not a single one in sightyeah I'm thinking you got owned unc.
>>723874215game is objectively dogshitredditors and youtube video essayists with a greenscreen are trying to astro-turf this game like it's some hidden gem
>>723874215game's ugly as a sin
>>723886306>i'm actually tired of exploring and feeling like an adventurerNo, maybe stick to Call of Duty or DS3
>>723885038>Castle horse makes more sense than flexile snetry just chilling on the way to shaded woodsIn what world does it make sense lol>A good change because the atmosphere of the area isn't decimated 5 seconds walking into the area with a cheap jump scare. How is the main setpiece of the area not working, a good thing? How does the skeleton coming alive naturally when you walk in ''destroy the atmosphere''? How is it better having to do a bunch of obtuse steps and then backtrack for it to come alive when you literally have zero reason to come back to the entrance lolDo you think it's a ''cheap jumpscare'' when you enter the Eleum Loyce DLC and suddenly the doors fly open and ice tentacles shoot out?
>>723886546You're not even trying to argue the flexile sentry in shaded woods makes sense. An apparition appearing in Drangleic Castle that has brought together enemies from all these different lands makes more sense than that.>How is the main setpiece of the area not working, a good thing?It stops being a setpiece and atmospheric decoration when it's gone 5 seconds after walking into the area and what you're left with is just an empty barren room. Having this menacing skeleton dragon loom over you while you're exploring is way better for atmosphere and builds some tension till it finally attacks you. Giving the player "a bunch of steps" already gives the area way more depth and meaning that it ever had before where it was just a long hallway with no purpose. The key it leaves behind than rewards the player to circle around the cyclops and prevent getting insta killed and makes the boss run easier. Rewarding exploration and puzzle solving in an area that before was nothing but just killing enemies in a long hallway.
There are things i like about scholar more than base game but also things i don'tPutting the dlc keys in silly places is one of them
>>723874649Me too bro, I'm sad I lost my save on an old SSD, don't think I can recover it now
anyone have that ds2 webm where the guy L1s his smelter hammer but the animation fucks up and he glides all the way down a staircase until the attack finally hits someone? havent thought about it in a while and realized i dont have it anymoar.
>>723875475this but unironically, vanilla+dlc was good as isthere was 0 reason to ever make sotfs beyond just a quick cashgrab
>>723874215worst Souls by a country milevanilla + crown DLCs or bust, trannoids
>>723875475ds ptde did neither, and scholar did both
>>723888439haha nice supernova my man
Once again: complete, rancid dog shit. Why must this thread be made 5 times a day?
>>723874215The whole game felt disconnected maybe because it wasn't spearheaded by the same guy who makes sure the game is coherent. The dev team on it didn't understand the philosophy of Dark Souls so they just made cat mario grimdark using a stupid lighting tech that was ahead of its time. It's not a horrible game, but not a good one either.
>>723888680He REALLY needs someone else to share his deluded opinion.
>>723889056>didn't understand the philosophy of Dark Soulthey understood it way more than mihacki and his retarded dodgespam bullshit
>>723876085Nope. The mandatory swamp level? You can run through the poison gas in 3 seconds. The mandatory lava level? No lava floor. The mandatory puzzle level? You can ignore it. Dark Souls 2 is literally the only Souls game with no "that part" in it.
>>723883159>>723889270Jesus, you're a pretentious faggot aren't you? I mean, there have been some seriously pretentious, pseudointellectual midwits on this board, but you are just the king shit of the heap. "No, all those other games, they don't understand! Only the SEQUEL that was roundly disliked and a failure understands the truth of the series!"
>>723887056>You're not even trying to argue the flexile sentry in shaded woods makes senseGameplay wise, it makes sense to bring back an early boss as a miniboss and they give you a nice open space to fight it in. Better than the Flexile Sentry at the bottom of Sinner's Rise in Scholar that can't even fit through the elevator doorway and is easily cheesedLore wise? I'm sure you could argue either wayI guess we'll agree to disagree on Aldia's Keep. The skeleton coming alive and lunging at you is a cool surprise, and the fact that 99% of people playing Scholar normally will never see it, unless they're reading a guide in which case they already know it's coming, is kinda lame
>>723889576>"No, all those other games, they don't understand! Only the SEQUEL that was roundly disliked and a failure understands the truth of the series!"Yup, that's me.
>>723874215It's abysmal dogshit. That has been the verdict for 9 years. Only /v/ trannies are contrarian enough to enjoy this shit.
>>723889601Ok, so now the rule of gameplay takes over making sense when it's convenient? But fighting an early boss as a miniboss in Drangleic Castle doesn't count because it doesn't make sense when it suits you?
>>723889982Flexile Sentry had a duplicate fight from the beginning. The Executioner's Chariot horse was unique to that boss before Scholar. And it really does look out of place to find it in the middle of Drangleic Castle
>>723890650>The Executioner's Chariot horse was uniqueThat's what it means to bring a boss back later as a miniboss. Which every souls game has done. And by your own admission makes gameplay sense.> it really does look out of place to find it in the middle of Drangleic CastleAnd flexile sentry in shaded woods doesn't? It makes more sense being in drangleic castle than that.
>>723874215I like it for being third person King's Field
>>723874215still sometimes thinking about that naked caestus parry master i encountered with my friend once.
>>723884021>now/v/ being retards that get their opinions off Matthewmatosis doesn't mean DS2 has magically changed while in your shelf for the last decade. It was fine back then and it's fine now. Hell I'd say it ages better the worse Soulsslop gets
>>723874215ludo KINO
my favorite sekirolike
>>723874215kino
>>723874215Great game but the original version is better than the softs version.
>>723894785objectively wrong due to it being piss easy. I know it's your first souls game, but it's bad and has abysmal loading times
>>723895525It loaded fast enough for me on PC though.Also pretty sure Bloodborne was my first followed by Dark Souls.
>>723883968Its a shame games still do this just so that pc versions don't mog the console versions.
DS2 IS BEST SIR
>>723874215It's a great video game, it's just the worst souls game.
>>723899781
What was the most kino moment of the game?I love the entry into Shulva, you descend down the toilet bowl of Majuula through degenerate pooville then through black gulch then suddenly there's even more down below including an entire mayan pyramid thing with a fucking dragon and some crazy bitch wailing
If they just removed durability altogether it would be perfect.
>>723900174Finally beating Sir Alonne for me.
>>723900314Wrong.
>>723874215Best Dark Souls game ever made and the real precursor of Elden RingTrue Saga RankingDS2>DS1>>ds3Don't bother replying, ds3 recencyfags and ds1 nostalgiacunts ain't worth my salt
Brown 7th gen rollslop
Demon's Souls is still the best one
>>723874215Irish, pseud redditor made disingenuous arguments that could be applied to DS1/ Demon Souls and future Fromsoft titles, all the while being filtered by the double dragon-rider boss and other multi-enemy encounters.Now we have streamlined rollslop and mass appeal, despite Fromsoft getting more time and budget.
>>723874215bad
By all objective metrics Bloodborne and DS3 are better but I enjoy DS2 much more and replay at least once a year, I don't get it
