still havent touched winblows 11 btw

>>723922869
Based

>>723922869
I still have zero fucking idea why 10 was sunsetted.

>>723922991
Because they knew how shit 11 is, and that people wouldn't willingly switch.

Gabe needs to make Steam OS for pc
He said he hated working at microsoft so it's only fitting he shits on them in his final arc
I'll take it over HL3 any day shit's just a meme but an official OS put out by a good company would be great
Too many reddit troons shill their fedora OSes it's just tiring nobody can agree on 1 good linux distro

>>723922845
I miss when Windows was actually a good OS
A lot of people think it's XP but for me it was actually 98
98 was peak Windows, no bloat, just pure function
I remember the process window only ever having like 5-10 things in it

98 fucked so hard

Fake

>>723923057
>>723922991

They needed a new windows to shill their AI garbage with
Expect even more copilot shilling in the coming years through 11

>>723922845
Still boggles the mind to release a PC handheld without any trackpads. You'd have to be a special kind of retarded to actually buy this shit.

>>723922991
Why would they support their old os indefinitely when they've got a new one out? That's normal. No one would care much if win11 wasn't shit and spyware, same way people wouldn't have clung to win7 as much if it actually got a decent successor.

>>723923079
Nobody ever will and that's a good thing.

I thought they were pushing out a windows version that was meant for these UMPCs that debloated a lot of useless drivers and featuresets?
Or was it another lie

>>723923182
the touchscreen is good enough for navigation

>>723923486
People already tried debloated windows ages ago and it still loses to linux in testing.

>>723923575
Yeah but I mean when MS says they're pushing it out themselves I figure it actually gets rid of it and not just hackily chops away at regedit and has it reinstalled every 2 days.

>>723923673
I feel like microsoft would do a worse job than that

>>723922869
all M$ would have to do is pay off ati and nvidia to stop developing drivers for linux and you'll jump back in a day.

>>723923486
Anon, Microsoft is a jeet company, of course they were bullshitting.
Windows will never be light or efficient because that requires effort, something that jeet vibecoders are allergic to.

>>723922845
How do companies even optimize GPU drivers on Windows? On Linux, the drivers and closely tied together with the kernel. Often times performance improvements come not only from the driver but also the kernel. Because both the (amd) drivers and kernel are open source, developers can easily optimize at the lowest level possible. Do GPU vendors have access to the Windows kernel, so they can do the same?

>>723924138
The windows kernel is modular iirc, or something like that, while the linux kernel is monolithic. That might be why but I'm not an expert

winjeetbros, how we feelin?

>>723922991
10 was supposed to be the final Windows and it would just be updated incrementally, never have a new number.

Then the AI slop began and that's all they give a fuck about now. Can't wait until that shit goes sideways and its popped. Meta just dumped like 600 jobs from their AI division lol.

>>723924462
Win11 came out in 2021 and was planned since before then so the ai slop wasn't why it was made, since that's a more recent fad. They probably tried to do a rolling release and either decided it wasn't profitable enough for them or they just weren't able to wrangle windows well enough to do it.

>>723923079
Well you can run it on PC right now
>But Nvidia
Oh no
Anyway

>>723923878
Mesa drivers are open source and better than AMD's and AMD needs the open source community for ROCm/AI. Linux will have AMD drivers until AMD dies.

>>723922845
posting from my odin2portal

>>723923079
Kek steam OS for PC already exists in different forms. CachyOS for pure performance, Bazzite for the steam deck UI, and a couple others. Go ahead and try them. I doubt Valve can ever fix the core issues that every Linux distro has like the lack of anticheat support, poor accessibility, software incompatibility, etc.

>>723922845
lmao

I thought we already knew this? First thing I did with my z1e was put steamos on it after being forced through the windows initial setup bullshut

>>723922845
>stop uninstalling edge ACK

Can we please get a working with cheat solution on loonix so I can play my multiplayer sloppa?

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>>723923532
>getting your greasy fingerprint smudges all over the screen
>muh navigation
GAMEPLAY NIGGER IT'S ABOUT GAMEPLAY
NO TRACKPADS = DOGSHIT GAMEPLAY

>>723922869
windows 11 is such a piece of shit. I swear it has some sort of memory leak too.

>>723922845
I had the opposite problem with my ROG Ally X.

I get more FPS in Persona 5 Royal on Win 11 than SteamOS/Bazzite.
For me on Win11 Persona 5 can run at a nice solid 90fps everywhere.
But on SteamOS/Bazzite I noticed the FPS had dropped to 56.
Same settings same TDP same everything.

>>723925563
My windows 11 literally bricked itself with an update so I had enough and installed Bazzite. Don't miss it one bit.

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I installed Windows 11 and this happened. What do I do now?

>>723924708

Funny that amd ended up dropped their own drivers on linux and started to fully support the open source one.

>>723925776
my laptop that I use for school had windows 11 by default. It runs out of ram constantly when just casually browsing internet

>>723926087
Nigga is that an ironing board

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>>723926087
Connect there with the Microsoft account you've been using to get the key

>>723926193
What if i can't find the key?

>>723926087
>>723926193
Lmao, never ever going to use win 11.

>>723926286
Hopefully you can. You're probably not the only one who installed W11 and ended up with Bitlocker so search online if you can't get your key and someone else might have a solution. I think you will need the key either way, your drive is Bitlocker encrypted right now. Fuck Microsoft.

>>723926331
Yeah I'm staying on 10 for a good while. I might jump to Linux before I jump to 11.

>>723924462
>>723924616
They were probably just lying from the outset, because it would sound good to the consumers.

>>723922991
Gathering userdata to sell is their breadwinner.

>>723926503
Iirc the plan was to turn windows into a subscription, which would be great for them, so I doubt they just made it up

>>723923115
>t.butthurt windrone

>>723924639
Nvidia works now.

Gaben made SteamOS specifically for the Steam hardware like the Steambox and his Steam handheld. If Windows would cut all the AI bloat their pajeet CEO is pushing so hard I bet it could improve Windows performance.

>>723924616
>Win11 came out in 2021
Holy crap, i feel like it came last year

>>723926734
>AI bloat their pajeet CEO is pushing so hard
They're pushing AI to pump the stock price. Investors are idiots who don't understand AI is garbage.

>>723926578
So why sunset win10, it does that too

>>723922845
No
I will be free

>>723927000
?

>>723922991
because they're already working on windows 12
and if the rumors are true, it's going to have shit like monthly subscriptions

>>723926954
Win11 does it better. Got to get them earnings up for the next quarter and so on. Besides, new product shows company is innovating and growing!
Also the whole AI thing as well.

>>723927000
What does jim Norton have to do with this

>>723927184
>if the rumors are true, it's going to have shit like monthly subscriptions
Subscriptions to what? Office Suite already requires a subscription. More Copilot shit?

>>723927313
Subscription to starting your fucking pc

>>723923308
Why release a new OS instead of just maintaining the one they have? It's not like their revenue comes from OS sales anyways, they release it to keep people in their ecosystem. But when they keep making their OS worse, it's driving people away from their ecosystem, so surely they should stop doing that?

>>723923079
That'll happen once the Steam Fremont releases sometime next year, lol. Microsoft is done.

>>723922845
I'll stop when you
>scrap the TPM and secure boot DRM
>scrap all the privacy raping malware, including shit like cortana and recall
>trim the bloat and boost FPS in windows

guys... i had extended security updates active but it for some reason deactivated and it stealth updated me to 11 overnight. I had to spend like 10 hours debloating it and making it slightly less shit

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>mitigations=off
>"WOAH LE PERFORMANCE"
No shit.

>>723928071
How did you activate it?

>>723922869
I touched it for a while.. to revert it to W10 because the audio drivers weren't working well with the microphone.

Is it true Microsoft Office isn't free anymore? What exactly needs to be paid for? The version I used on XP back in high school already had everything you ever needed.

>>723928223
Cant. They ended enrollment into it on the 13th

>>723926087
you got raped by shitdows' mandatory disk encryption. it's a way to lock out other operating systems like linux
fyi FDE is only useful when it's
>1. platform agnostic (i.e. you can use any OS to access your files, otherwise it's vendor lock-in)
>2. YOU are the one who manages the keys

>>723927792
God, I genuinely hope so. Do I think it'll kill Windows? Not in the least, but it'll explode Linux one way or the other and that's what matters.

>>723926087
Unlucky
I installed it last week and everything is pretty much the same

>>723928345
That sounds like ransomware to me.

>>723925509
>>723923532
Any anons dismissing the functionality and necessity of the track pads haven't spent any actual time using the deck to play games, if they've touched it to begin with.

>>723922991
They wanted to push mandatory TPM 2.0 and AI bullshit.

on windows 10 never touching windows 11
when i get a new pc it'll be windows 10 still or linux

no idgaf about muh viruses or pajeet security patches

>>723927927
I dunno, could be a number of reasons, most of them stemming from incompetence. My point was just that it's normal for a company to stop supporting an old product some years after the new one is out, I'm not defending windows 11 or their decision to make it though.

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>>723926087
I remember bitlocker fucking companies hard during the crowdstrike incident

>>723928345
It's also useful on laptops which are more easily stolen or misplaced, using LUKS gives me peace of mind

>>723926936
>They're pushing AI to pump the stock price. Investors are idiots who don't understand AI is garbage.
This

Investors are dumping infinite money into AI. So much money that they can't possibly make a return but it doesn't matter. The entire point of modern companies like Microsoft and Apple is to inflate the stock price, not make good products. That's why their stuff has never been worse but their stock price has never been higher

>>723929171
I use LUKS specifically on my laptop. Never need encryption on my desktop but if I ever have a family that bitch is getting encrypted too.

I dunnut understand why they just dont make a stripped down win7 esq version.
Just an os, no bullshit.

>>723928970
Yep. That and just general forcing of turnover to drive revenue.

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>>723928725
Been saying this for 2 years. Laptop posters are in the same family of shitposters.

>>723928606
>That sounds like ransomware
pretty much what bitlocker is
>say word
>account banned
>cloud services cut off, money and files stolen

>>723929271
You're assuming they can. They vibe code this shit nowadays

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>>723922845
Microshit makes shit OS, makes shit consoles, doesn't even make any laptops, what is it even good for?

Apple won.

>>723926286
Then give it back Tyrone

>>723929127
I was in the gov sector in IT and it was a total fucking nightmare. First time I was given overtime in like 3 years, we had over 2k fucked up computers in my single division.

>>723929179
That's always been the point of publicly traded companies, I think the shit state of modern companies is more due to stock traders focusing way more on short term positions. So they want to buy a stock and have it go up high in a few months and then sell it, they don't care what happens to the company and it's reputation a decade down the line

>>723929467
Microsoft just gave up on everything, I'm going fully Switch 2 and Steam Deck 2, next gen. I'm done with them.

>>723926087
>didn't save the bitlocker recovery key
dumbass

>>723922845
Rog ally x running bazzite is so good. Fucking blows the OLED deck out of the water.

>>723922869
same lol

>>723922991
>sunsetted
kys

>>723930463
Okay fag, "sunsat"

>>723922845
redeem 11 saar your security is becoming compromised linus is for trains don't be stupid bitch bloody !

>>723926087
>>723926331
Huh? I have win11 local account, no idea what you're talking about.

Tho I am thinking about dual booting chachyos to try it out. No telemetry spyware and bloat sounds nice, and now that linux finally can play games.

>>723929705
Unfortunately it's twice the price of the OLED deck.
They need to make one of these machines that has
>At least 1 touchpad
>512 GB of internal storage
>16-24 GB of RAM
>A sub-$600 pricetag
>Enough GPU power to comfortably play non-UE5slop at 1080p60 on medium or even low settings
As it stands, the only company that would be capable of delivering on that would be Valve.

>>723923096
Saar you are in being the needful H1B application.

>>723926087
Is your PC on a fucking ironing board???

>>723933457
>Unfortunately it's twice the price of the OLED deck.
Yep. But the price should be dropping soon since everyone is returning it.

>the only company that would be capable of delivering on that would be Valve.
The Z1E already goes on sale for $350 pretty regularly. Only issue is no trackpad, but that doesn't bother me since I never use them.

>>723926087
Thank god I'll never use shitblows 11. Don't want my stuff get encrypted by microsofts streetshitter code

>>723927792
what if you just dont connect to internet

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>>723922845
THEN MAKE A VERSION OF IT WITH
>NO AI
>NO TELEMETRY
>NO ONEDRIVE SYMLINKS BY DEFAULT, I BETTER NOT EVEN GET ASKED IF I WANNA USE ONEDRIVE
>NO ADVERTISEMENTS AT ALL
>NO SUGGESTIONS IN THE START MENU FOR APPLICATIONS TO INSTALL
>IF YOU ASK ME TO SET UP OFFICE 365, ONEDRIVE, AND AI FEATURES, AND I HAVE "REMIND ME IN 3 DAYS" INSTEAD OF "NO" GO FUCK YOURSELF

YOUR OS DOES NOT PROVIDE ME VALUE, IT MAKES ME WANT TO REMOVE RETARDED BULLSHIT I DIDN'T ASK FOR BUT YOU MAKE IT AS DIFFICULT AND USER UNFRIENDLY AS POSSIBLE TO THE POINT THAT LINUX TROONS ARE DABBING ON YOU FOR HOW SIMPLE IT IS FOR THEM TO JUST INSTALL A FUCKING BASIC DECLUTTERED OPERATING SYSTEM FOR PERSONAL USE, IF I WANT SOMETHING FROM YOU I WILL ADD IT MYSELF, I DO NOT NEED YOU TO DO IT FOR ME

>>723922991
To backdoor always on AI spyware

>>723923308
>Why would they support their old os indefinitely when they've got a new one out?
Remember when Microsoft said Windows 10 was going to be the last version of Windows and they'd just keep updating it forever?

>>723922869
I haven't touched windows since 7.

>>723922845
>Windows is a shit OS
We know.

>>723929171
>>723929270
Does LUKS lower performance? Especially gaming performance?

>>723936319
>THEN MAKE A VERSION OF IT WITH
>>NO AI
>>NO TELEMETRY
>>NO ONEDRIVE SYMLINKS BY DEFAULT, I BETTER NOT EVEN GET ASKED IF I WANNA USE ONEDRIVE
>>NO ADVERTISEMENTS AT ALL
>>NO SUGGESTIONS IN THE START MENU FOR APPLICATIONS TO INSTALL
>>IF YOU ASK ME TO SET UP OFFICE 365, ONEDRIVE, AND AI FEATURES, AND I HAVE "REMIND ME IN 3 DAYS" INSTEAD OF "NO" GO FUCK YOURSELF
We have a product for you. It's called Linux operating systems.

>>723929467
>Microshit makes shit OS, makes shit consoles, doesn't even make any laptops, what is it even good for?

microsoft is such a trash fucking company now. it honestly upsets me. it used to be full of white closers doing reall work. now its a fucking clown show. i want nothing to do with any of their products. mac os is so much better than windows its not even funny.

>>723923079
It's even worse now that the linux community is fragmented between sorta-normal autists, and hardcore leftie autists. Some crazy shit is happening to distros because of politics.

>>723922845
Why did they decide to make it as shitty as possible after 7?
Why not just make more 7?

>>723926087
nice setup dude

>>723937296
>It's even worse now that the linux community is fragmented between sorta-normal autists, and hardcore leftie autists

when linus retires linux is fucked. hes holding back all these insane leftist freaks.

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>>723923079
>>723937296
>I NEED EVERYBODY TO USE EXACTLY THE EXACT SAME OS OR I'M GOING INSAAAAAAAAANE

>>723937479
I still love how he dunked on that retarded Spanish yurinigger.

fuck off

>>723936775
No. You power on your host and when you provide the password, it just decrypts it. No change in performance that I can tell.

>>723922991
Microjeets

>>723930463
sun·set
/ˈsənˌset/
verbNorth American English
past tense: sunsetted; past participle: sunsetted

It's perfectly correct.

>>723923079
Guess what? Steam OS for PC is... any Linux distro you want. I played Yakuza 3 to 5 on Linux this year.

>>723937652
Hector Martin
That fucking tranny that doesn't just troon out already. Fuck that faggot. Also Drew Devault for being a faggot scaremongering and accusing everyone of being a fascist and a nazi. I don't care about the loli stuff, kiwi troons

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>>723937057
I KNOW AND I'VE ALREADY MOVED BUT LINUX IS NOT GOOD AT VR YET EVEN WITH MONADO AND MODDING IS A PAIN IN THE ASS DUE TO WINETRICKS DEPENDENCIES AND WINEDLLOVERRIDES LAUNCH OPTIONS, IT'S CLOSE BUT NOT >>>/THERE/ YET

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I will never use your tranny OS.

>>723922991
>"Cyber is the REAL domain of POWER!!!" -- some theocracy prime minister

Day Zero exploits that can't be addressed otherwise.

>>723940782
>That fucking tranny that doesn't just troon out already.
Chud, he enjoys yuri, and yurifriends tell me that only faggots and troons cannot be into yuri.

>>723922845
I'm never upgrading to 11, or anything that comes after it. It's over

>>723936319
Yeah, it has gotten to the point where you can say "Sorry, I'm not computer nerd. I don't want to have to open the command prompt to remove/disable things. I'm just going to use Linux because it's easy."

>>723923079
>nobody can agree on 1 good linux distro
you literally named it. Fedora even has 2 officially supported different flavors with KDE or Gnome as well as a myriad of other desktop environments. You can even get hyprland working on it. There is no reason to wait. If you just want a gaming focused OS you can use the forks of fedora like Bazzite or Nobara. Your problem is that you want people to think for you so you wait for general consensus because you are an actual npc with the mind of a sheep.

>>723940883
It's trannies or indians, pick your poison.

>>723940647
Sounds like black magic. Why would anybody use bitlocker over LUKS?

>>723940883
"you can't explain what that means" is what they always default to when they know that they'll lose if they try and fight on the 'defend woke hill.'

>>723941336
anon that's linus torvalds

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>>723926087
>>723928345
Setting up Bitlocker with a password you don't know doesn't happen just from installing. You stole this from Facebook (couldn't post link because 4chan kept thinking it was spam) and you're lying. Anyone who fell for this is an idiot.

is there anything more annoying than console/OS warfaggotry?

>>723933402
This has nothing to do with a accounts, he just stole it from somewhere else and lied about it.

>>723940690
>American English
you will never be english

>>723929705
I wish I could use it.
I really don't know why but Persona 5 Royal gets worse FPS in Bazzite than Windows 11 and I really don't know why.
Plus I like using wabbajack to install modpacks for Fallout 3 and NV on the device aswell as Tales of Two Wastelands which from my last time trying out Linux on my Steam Deck, it still couldn't handle.

>>723936775
Yes, always.

>>723933605
the person you're responding to sounded white as fuck to me
which part was it that tripped your ESL up? "fucks hard" is a legitimate phrase

>>723922991
Methinks it was supposed to be a UI update but they decided to make it a new version to force TPM.

>>723922991
SAAR UNDERSTAND
SAAR I AM THE NEW CEO AND WINDOWS 10 IS OBSOLETE SAAR

>>723941647
reminder that american english is closer to proper english than modern england's :')

>>723923079
nVidia is a subpar experience on Linux and a lot of things just don't work, like the gaming mode/big picture mode, Waydroid, etc.. A PC SteamOS would be an Intel/AMD only experience. And that alienates 75% of Steam users. So Valve cannot make a SteamOS for PC because nVidia is holding them back. People would just constantly complain that shit doesn't work and Valve doesn't want to be OS tech support for anything that isn't their own controlled hardware.

>>723922845
RDNA3.5 and earlier run better under Mesa.
RDNA4 is almost equal between Mesa and Windows drivers.
All nvidia chips are strictly better on Windows.
Linux has more robust I/O and a much better scheduler.
Vulkan can perform better than DX11 and DX12.
Proton has some overhead and so do dxvk and vkd3d.
This means whether Linux pulls ahead depends a lot on the game itself. On nvidia it won't. On AMD it likely will and also get better framepacing but there are games that perform better on Windows still.
Gamers are retarded cattle and don't understand nuance.
Stop arguing about Windows and Linux. It's crazy good that both are viable and we even have a choice. Either one being 1% slower or faster doesn't mean the other is complete garbage. I don't understand this obsession with having to label everything in such extremes. Windows is still a perfectly usable OS and you get another viable alternative in Linux. Be fucking happy because we don't have such luxury everywhere, just look at phones. They're all locked down.

>>723941428
you're forcing disc encryption down the throats of people who don't even know what a private key is. you're despicable

>>723945310
>Stop arguing about Windows and Linux.
I will when windows stops being dogshit and lowering my FPS
and when they get rid of the jewish DRM
and when they stop enshittifying the OS with every release and update

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Indian thread.

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>>723945310
>vkd3d is for translating Windows directx12 games to Vulkan on Linux
>dxvk is for translating Windows directx 8/9/10/11 games to Vulkan on Linux
Did I get that right so far?

What about Vulkan games on Windows? Which program is for Vulkan games Windows -> Vulkan games Linux?

>>723922845
Try installing lineageos or /e/ on your old phone and see the difference

>>723945310
>Vulkan can perform better than DX11 and DX12.
>Proton has some overhead and so do dxvk and vkd3d.
Vulkan generally performs better than DirectX older than DX12. And it usually performs so well that even with the overhead dxvk introduces it actually performs much better than native DirectX.

>>723926735
To be fair it probably did start working last year

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>>723945582
Works on my machine :)

>>723945582
When did jeets = linux?

>>723941141
Both have both though. There is no escaping them.

>>723922991
Same reason 7 was. introduce new os with less user control and more data harvesting "features" then end support for the last os. Why would they continue to support an os that is worse for them?

>>723925318
The devs literally manually disable Linux support lmao

The Chinese are going crazy developing there own software that runs better than anything the jeets put out the only problem is that it's all in chink runes. Hopefully one day they'll create a superior OS than windows and gnu/linux and share it with the rest of the world.

>>723928232
100$ yearly subscription to everything

>>723925318
>Marvel Rivals
>Dota 2
>CSGO
>Master Duel
All you really need.

>>723941253
Microsoft money

>>723947318
introducing new versions is a necessary thing in software development because sometimes you need to implement breaking changes and to get rid of unused stuff.
there's a lot to hate on for microsoft, but they're actually very slow to roll out new versions compared to linux where new versions come out every ~6 months for distros.

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>>723923308
you forgot that when ms announced windows 10, they said they were going to drop the numbering system, because 10 was going to be the "LAST WINDOWS" with a rolling release model
i.e. they were supposed to have a product named just "windows" and that would be maintained forever
That's how they pushed for the loss of control over updates,KB releases etc, saying it's for the customer's good since now you wont have to buy another windows ever again, it will be updated forever
so it's literally bait and switch and i'm pretty sure someone with good lawyers could start a very profitable class action in the freedom country

I will still continue to use Windows 11.
Because everything just werks.
>inb4 droves of linux fags come crying saying otherwise

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>>723922869
I installed Windows 11 the day it became publicly available, and I'm still using it.

>>723923096
>A lot of people think it's XP but for me it was actually 98
People used to whine about how unstable 98 was but I was always amazed at how well it held together. I was compiling and testing shit DOS and windows code all day, trial and erroring garbage because I didn't have a fucking clue what I was doing. I'd be writing out of every bounds, I'd be writing to incorrect file handles, I'd be sending garbage up the Direct3D pipe, and I'd get plenty of close program dialogs, but the OS never crashed.
I always put it down to shit drivers. People would always say linux/mac sucks because no drivers, but let's face it, if the company doesn't have drivers for anything past your win9x shitbox, you bet those are garbage drivers written by garbage programmers like me and they are going to crash the fuck out of your OS. Windows never solved this problem of how to deal with shit 3rd party drivers, they just paid their driver team to write better drivers for popular hardware. Now it doesn't matter what OS you run, if the driver isn't already in the kernel, get new hardware. You'll thank me.

>>723949053
do what you want, nobody cant prevent you from eating crayons and sniffing glue
but for people with a bit more braincells, if you really want to escape from ms, switch to linux
it's really waaaay easier than most people think

>>723945658
>vkd3d is for translating Windows directx12 games to Vulkan on Linux
>dxvk is for translating Windows directx 8/9/10/11 games to Vulkan on Linux
True. But to be more precise, these are about graphics APIs, basically how the game tells your GPU to draw shit. The rest of the job is done by wine/proton.
Also, they technically work on Windows too, but it's only useful for making games with retarded old renderers run well, like GTA4 or New Vegas.
There is also wined3d, which is the original inbuilt wrapper for D3D2-11 to OpenGL in wine, but it only works well for everything D3D7 and older. D3D8/9 is an option, but usually a lot better on DXVK except for the occasional visual novel, D3D10/11 sucks hard on WineD3D, and D3D12 doesn't work at all.
>What about Vulkan games on Windows? Which program is for Vulkan games Windows -> Vulkan games Linux?
Vulkan to Vulkan doesn't need translation, they just pass it through since it's the same API, except maybe for some window shell integration shit which is easy enough to translate. But it's only about graphics.
The rest of the game is translated through wine/proton.
Wine is the original project to run Windows programs on Linux that actually began in the early 90s, basically an open-source reimplementation of Windows APIs. It actually handles most of the translation for your games that isn't graphics, usually pretty well. But it kinda historically had problems with translating graphics in particular, so eventually DXVK and then VKD3D appeared and did it better. Eventually Valve started financing them too.
Proton is a gaming-specific fork of wine by Valve where they added some patches, changed some configs, made DXVK and VKD3D built-in and integrated it into Steam. It's mostly still wine but made more convenient for gaming in particular.
So in this Vulkan->Vulkan case wine/proton do most of the translation, but it's boring minutia and not fancy graphics translations that affect FPS a lot, so most people don't care.

>>723949053
>Because everything just werks
Nah. Old windows, sure. Anything up to win7 you pretty much had 100% compatibility with everything that wasn't completely broken. but win10/11 fucked all that. Now windows only has the same compatibility as you'd expect out of a mac. Doesn't run old stuff well if at all, can't use old hardware.
Linux at least has WINE and while it doesn't run modern windows shit well (except for games) if it doesn't run on win11 chances are it runs fine on WINE.

I don't wanna use W11, but I'm too stupid for Linux and Linux users who I have talked with have said I'm just a "retarded wintroon and should stick with windows" etc.
I just don't wanna interact with Linux users at all. They are annoying people. Some of them talked about gatekeeping so I kinda understand, like gatekeeping in anime communities or what should've happened here with election tourists.
So new Linux users are considered same as sjws and election tourists

>>723949136
If it's so easy, summarize it in one sentence.

>>723949136
Come back when you can install printer software LMAO

>>723949136
Cute take. Love the confidence, adorable really. But while you’re busy pretending Linux installs itself and everything magically works, I’ll be over here actually getting stuff done with apps that exist, drivers that install, and games that launch without needing a sacrifice to Proton. “Way easier than most people think” only applies if your definition of easy includes debugging Wi-Fi and hunting GPU drivers like Pokémon. Windows just works, Linux just almost works. Keep chasing that dream, though. Someone’s gotta keep the “my audio broke after an update” threads alive.

>>723949353
printers always work on linux though, and you don't have to install some proprietary garbage application.
the only cases where you can have problems with drivers is wifi and fucking nvidia.

>>723949318
Just use Bazzite. You don't need to be a genius to use Linux.

>>723949318
Don't try to operate linux like it's a windows box and you'll be fine. Most windows -> linux converts refuse to drop their windows ways and will look for programs on websites and be angered that the linux downloads won't work. Frustratedly doing all sorts of stupid shit with rpms and debs, sudo'ing anything reddit tells them to, getting their systems more and more fucked up than a windows user running everything they find on a russian forum because the words on a page told them to.
All major linux distros have a software repository and on linux it's a GOOD thing unlike the windows store. Use the good things, don't try to do the stupid things. And never trust reddit.

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>>723949318
It's a hipster thing, or a freshman studying computer science thing. I got over it a long time ago. I spend hours looking at a command line at work, I don't want to see it when I get home.

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>>723949330
are you literally retarded ?
any technical issue in 2025 is a non issue, we have chatgpt, claude etc now
>>723949353
chatGPT says (for popos) :
>Download and install **HPLIP Toolbox** from the **Software Center**, then open it, click **“Setup Device”**, follow the on-screen steps to add your **HP DeskJet 2820e**, and you’ll be ready to print.
>>723949443
most stuff on windows now go MORE wrong than on windows and require MORE steps to fix and tinker than on linux
you're just ignorant or a shill

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>>723949691
i'm glad that you're happy owning nothing :) don't forget to vote!

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>>723949264
thanks a ton!!!

>>723949353
>Come back when you can install printer software LMAO
Given a room full of random printers I'd be willing to bet large amounts of money more of them would "just work" on a decent vanilla desktop linux install than they would on windows 11. win11 doesn't have many printer drivers built in, it certainly doesn't have generic PCL, PS or PDF drivers worth a damn, and all those printers that needed vendor provided drivers to run? Yeah, none of those are running in win11.

>>723949717
Amazing, epic grammar flex: “more wrong than on windows.” Bold move. Listen, calling someone “ignorant” or a “shill” doesn’t make your hot take true, it just makes you sound defensive and illiterate. Windows having rough updates sometimes doesn’t magically make Linux a saintboth have problems, and the difference is whether you want tools that work for most people or a weekend hobby that needs forum rituals. If you’ve got receipts showing Windows actually requires more tinkering for real workloads, show them, otherwise this is just distro worship and second-hand rage.

>>723922991
They want to integrate more garbage and know people won't switch if they arent forced.

not interested in 11. especially since it's largely just to push their ai shit.

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>>723949686
stop recommending bazzite to noobs, they will have an awful experience and think all linux distros are dogshit bloated flatpak orientated immutable time wasters. i love flatpaks where every package is like 300mb and it takes longer to load than a native application because its containerised niggerhell, the 2 big reasons people recommend linux distros is for more control over your system and a more snappy less bloated experience and bazzite doesn't give either.

>>723949443
Trying to operate windows with two audio output devices is a fucking nightmare. Every other reboot I have to manually set the output back to the one I'm actually using. I can disable the HDMI but it'll be right back next driver update. I don't have that problem in linux.
WiFi/bluetooth are the same. Fucking disaster in windows, always work in linux. It's the benefit of open source, someone has a problem, someone fixes the problem, everyone benefits. As opposed to windows where you have a problem, company who makes your shit denies it, then they admit it but it's discontinued so they tell you to buy their new shit.

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>>723949869
another anon here. picrel

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>>723947012
2018ish

>>723926193
doenst exist

>>723949869
you must really be a shill
there's nothing wrong on linux, it just works
the opposite of modern windows that just doesnt work and keeps failing without you having control over anything
i've never been once to check a forum post or anything like that in all the years since i'm moved to linux
also i do not gain anything by recommending it, it's just going to help people who, unlike you, arent a shill or a retard

So what I'm gathering is that I have a 4070 and therefore should not use Linux.

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>>723925318
Working cheat solution is to either code better networking code and server, or let community moderate with dedicated servers.

>>723950023
Ah yes, the “my Bluetooth glitched once, therefore Linux is superior” gospel. Cute anecdote, but here’s some reality: Windows supports literally tens of thousands of unique audio and network drivers from every random OEM on Earth, not a handful of open-source models maintained by hobbyists. That complexity is why the occasional driver update re-enables HDMI. Meanwhile, your Linux “just works” setup only “just works” because you’re on hardware that happens to play nice with your kernel version, try plugging in a new Bluetooth dongle or a gaming headset with proprietary software and see how fast that “it just works” turns into a kernel log scavenger hunt.
And that “benefit of open source”? Great until your distro pushes an update that kills PulseAudio, breaks PipeWire, or your Wi-Fi module gets dropped from the kernel and you’re left compiling drivers from GitHub while pretending you enjoy it. Windows isn’t perfect, but it’s the platform where device makers actually build and certify drivers, that’s why your random peripherals, VR gear, and work apps exist there first. So sure, your HDMI output reappears sometimes. Mine does too. But at least I don’t have to write a bash script just to make my headset connect.

>>723950083
>>it just works

well you're obviously not using it...

>>723950116
i have a 4070, and i'm on linux since before i even bought it
nothing wrong has happened, games just work

>>723950020
Bazzite is perfect for both beginners and non-beginners. It's only bad for people who think they're an advanced user but in reality have no idea what they're doing.
>the 2 big reasons people recommend linux distros is for more control over your system...
You have absolute control over it.
>... and a more snappy less bloated experience
Nobody cares about bloat.

>>723922991
Money.

>>723950116
you should not be using nvslop retard

>>723950116
nvidia has a performance loss on linux compared to windows and the experience is buggier, drivers can be a bit tricky to install too depending on the distro.
but no you can still use nvidia on linux, plenty of people do.

>>723922845
And yet nobody will use troonix same as always.

>>723950116
I learned from 15 years ago not to use Linux with an Nvidia GPU. I don't know if things have changed, but I doubt it.

>>723950116
It works but lacks some nvidia exclusive features you'd have on Windows and lacks some Linux features you'd have on AMD or Intel.

>>723950116
4090 here. Level flight level three five zero

Don't care about your propaganda, I will never use Linux

>>723950116
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ

>>723922991
To push a new dogshit UI design. It's always about making UI worse.

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>>723950303
i hear it's a bit better these days, but yeah if you can choose, get amd for linux.

>>723950370
I'm on linux myself. Enjoying it too. I'm just saying it's not always...uh..."just works".

>>723950246
Sounds like it makes things more of a pain in the ass though and that sucks because the 4070 is all I got that's modern. And I'm not buying a 7700xt just for a Linux experiment.

I dunno man.

i do notice some things that i think are from having nvidia like shin megami tensei 5 the first area has the white sand particles and i thought it looked weird compared to on windows like it shimmered differently in motion

>>723928232
They followed Adobe's model. You get a web application version like Google Docs plus the normal application on your pc. I'd never pay for it myself, but I got a license key for free through work for my home computer so I use it. I mean, it's Office. It is the gold standard for office productivity software, the way Photoshop is for artists. It's certainly not worth paying for, but if your choice is use Google Docs for free and use Office for free it's pretty obvious.

>>723950116
I have the same gpu and so far play games without any issues. Maybe "performance loss" of having 5% less fps exists in some cases, but I didn't notice it so far.
Aforementioned difficulties to install drivers likely refer to having to type one line into the terminal, of which many people have existential fear for some reason.

>>723950563
-> >>723950483

You behave like an delusional macaque. I thought to say "I'm on your team". But you're obviously a lower being.

>>723950546
i think you're just looking for reasons not to give linux a shot, as i said plenty of people use nvidia on linux.
buy yourself a second hard drive and install linux on it, you can then switch back to windows anytime you like.

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>>723949106
>/b/ at only 39% virgins

>>723945310
On nvidia only dx12 games lose 20%~ perf. DX11 etc runs fine.

>>723950828
That picture was from my 2012 folder, no idea what /b/ is like now

>>723950752
or, you just dont realize that not all distros are as easy to use and maintain
i'm on an arch-based myself, so I do tinker sometimes yes : but that's a CHOICE
one could choose to go with an easier distro that's not on rolling release and have perfectly good time with no tinkering at all ever, by just playing legit games bought on steam, epic or gog
things start requiring tinkering when you're on a rolling release distro because some updates might break something sometimes, or when you have less legitimate ways of acquiring software, but that's on the user ! not the OS
and "less legitimately acquired software" on windows ALSO require tinkering most of the time
if you're not lying, than you just dont have the full picture and are only talking about your own experience without thinking that maybe you didnt choose the easiest way for yourself to begin with

>>723949106
based retard opening his asshole for everyone

>>723949689
>app stores mobile >:(
>app stores linux (/◔ ◡ ◔)/

>>723951142
>app store on mobile: freemium and ads out the wazoo
>app store on linux: free software
everytime i have to go on the playstore it makes my skin crawl

>>723936416
Technically true, Windows 11 is considered just another version of 10 internally and has no meaningful differences besides glorification

>>723951215
It is a shit format, ads or no ads.

>>723951227
I don't recall Windows 10 being unable to drag around the taskbar, you glorified retard.

>>723951846
usecase for dragging taskbar?

>>723951013
ok, mister "by the way, I use Arch"-man

god, if I don't agree with windows people that most linux users are basement-dwelling basedjak-acting specimen...

Y'all a disgrace to unix community.

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>>723951874
Moving it to the left side of my second monitor, where it's been for almost 20 years now.

>>723951972
Why the fuck would you want your taskbar on the left

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>>723951142
>>723951215
Use fdroid for finding apps without ads.

>>723952013
it's good for landscape mode on cellphones where you have very limited vertical space.

>>723952056
>> Windows
>> Cellphone
Wait... What?

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>>723952013
1. Screens have much more horizontal space than verticle
2. Far more common to accidentally unhide bottom bar than a side bar, resulting in accidental miscclicks

My turn. Why the fuck would you defend the removal of basic and ancient functionality, you fucking shill?

>>723952056
But we are talking about desktop enviroments.

>>723952192
How retarded are you if you are doing accidental misclicks?

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>>723951972
>>723952013
Use-case for having the taskbar on the left?

>>723952268
There isn't one, anons just a fucking retard.

>>723952249
Answer my question, shill.

>>723952013
Horizontal space is something you have a lot of. Vertical space is limited and extending it makes a lot more sense for both content and work. That is, as long as you're using 16:10, 16:9 or even more wide aspect ratios. If you're on a 4:3 or 1:1 screen then having the taskbar at the bottom or top still makes sense.

Actually, a task bar on the bottom is the LEAST sane choice of all 3 options.
Having it on top groups the taskbar with a maximized window titlebar, so all of your window and task management actions are at the top of the screen. This means that all of your content extends all the way to the bottom of the screen, which looks and behaves a lot more natural overall.

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>>723923079
Fucking idiots. Steam OS for PC available since 2013.

>>723952192
it also gives you extra space for doomscrolling, that with 4chan x infinite scrolling are goat.

>>723952320
>>723952304
>>723952192
Anyone who willingly puts their taskbar on the top or side clearly thinks they’re a visionary when in reality they’re just showing the world that common sense passed them by years ago. The bottom of the screen exists for a reason, it’s where your eyes naturally rest, where they go during work, yet these people insist on breaking that flow for no reason other than to feel “different.” It’s like watching someone insist on walking on their hands through a doorway and then acting surprised when they hit the wall. Their entire concept of efficiency is a tragic comedy, and trying to find the Start menu on their setup is an exercise in pure frustration. If intelligence were measured by taskbar placement, these people would be the reason evolution keeps a slow lane.

Do old games run better on Linux? For example if I want to play Black&White or Spore will they preform better on Linux? I remember them crashing and chimping out on Windows

>>723952423
>common sense
>staring at the taskbar
Are you retarded? Your very first sentence is more of an attack on everyone that uses auto-hide than it is on people who have moved it, and already that makes no sentence past the first worth reading.

>>723952563
Wow, congratulations on missing the entire point while flexing your keyboard. This isn’t an attack on auto-hide users, it’s called targeting people who actively choose the top or side, the universal “let’s make life harder” club. If your reading comprehension is so fragile that you think the first sentence defines the argument, maybe your taskbar belongs on the ceiling too, so it matches your understanding of logic. You’re out here arguing style over substance while proving my point about people making ridiculous choices just to feel special.

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>>723923878
>ati
The open-source drivers are unironically better anyway
>nvidia
Will never happen now that we're in the age of LLMs. Every inference server is running Linux with 8 A100s strapped in. Also huge cloud providers like AWS and Google would never allow that.

>>723922845
But shit compatibility and constant crashes, I'm sure.

I want to play games, not troubleshot them.

>>723952637
android, mac, iphones, tablets, gnome all use the taskbar on top. windows is really the only one that still uses the taskbar on the bottom for some reason, probably because they're too afraid of rocking the boat.

>>723951002
I don't think 39% are even humans nowadays. Its just the same botspam of gross porn every day.

>>723952320
I don't agree about the top. 20-ish years ago, when I was testing all the spots, right side was the worst because it interfered with closing fullscreen windows and the natural motion of swipe top-right and click without looking. With auto-hide, it would also block the scroll bar, which was just a mess. Top had some conveniences, like you said, but it has the same diminished screen real estate as bottom and the same problem of cockblocking the close button. It moves the top bar if always displayed and blocks it if on auto-hide.

Left is the only side that is truly out of the way at all times, and it is even more so when my 2nd monitor is on the left. Unlike the other person sperging out about how the eye must naturally rest at all times on the task bar and it's the holy grail of computing, I rarely ever need to see or touch the buttons or tabs on it, and I want it as out-of-the-way as possible. On PC, my windows have room to all be displayed at the same time and don't need a task bar to navigate, and on laptop, I usually alt+tab my way around.

>>723952726
nvidia can just make and even sell proprietary locked down drivers for llm linux farms to use

>>723952346
That was Steam OS version 2. It was based on a different distro and had public ISOs available for you to install on your PC.

With the Steam Deck, they came out with Steam OS version 3. So far, they never released whats inside. And they only provide an installer for the Steam Deck itself. People say its Arch Linux KDE edition with some special hardware drivers they want to keep secret, but we don't know for sure.

>>723952828
Wow, so you’re acting like putting the taskbar on top makes you some tech genius, when literally every major OS still puts the stuff you actually use at the bottom. Android, iOS, Mac, tablets, GNOME, they all keep their app launchers, the Settings app, and app drawers at the bottom, where your eyes naturally go. The top isn’t some magical “better” spot, it’s just decoration. Windows didn’t put its taskbar at the bottom out of fear, it put it there because that’s where humans actually focus during work, where multitasking makes sense, and where you can track everything without losing your mind. Claiming “top/sides is better because other OSes do it” is like saying a yacht beats a fighter jet just because it floats, completely missing the point.

>>723953009
>it put it there because that’s where humans actually focus during work
and this is exactly why you don't want the taskbar on the bottom. when you're working, doomscrolling or whatever, the taskbar should not be taking up any attention whatsoever.

>>723941408
And? All shitlibs are infected with the same virus. Because they all say that exact same line to some varying degree
>you can't define what woke means!!!

>>723952423
That's a lot of words to just say
>I prefer bottom.
Not a single argument in your whole post, just insults around an loud opinion, like farts through a trumpet.

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>>723953120
Come on, man, he just prefers bottom...

>>723953236
no kink shaming

>>723953236
which btw means that people prefering on the side are cvcks...

only based chads do it on top

>>723922869
YOU WILL REDEEM IT

>>723936416
This is a myth. They never actually said this, but retards keep repeating it anyway.

>>723953472
it's not a myth, one of their developer did actually say this, but yes it was not a microsoft pr statement.

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>>723952268
Very ironic post, lol

>>723953009
It's funny to me that your evidence is the exact opposite of your argument.

For example, the browser you are using to view this thread, where does it put it's tabs, url, bookmarks, extensions, "the stuff you actually use"? At the top. Why? Because the top IS some magical "better" spot. For the OS, it's the same reason a window puts all of its window information and control buttons at the top (icon, title bar, min, max, close). Because the top is the best spot. It's the very reason every program puts its importants at top. So why then did Windows put the taskbar at the bottom? Because it's out of the way, OUT of focus, the opposite of everything you are saying. For English speakers, the eye naturally starts at the top-left and works it's way right and down. The bottom is the LAST thing it sees, the last thing it notices. No one needs or wants the task bar taking their attention, which is why they added auto-hide. And someone who moves the task bar further out of the way is doing the same thing the OS maker did.

Everything you've said is backwards, to the point of humor.

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>>723953643
ubuntu is not gnome anon, they use their own hacked version.

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>>723953747
Oh, that sucks. I thought that was the only decision the GNOME guys made that was better than KDE.

>>723922991
More data collection, built in AI, Mac-like UI design, more locked down settings, easier to push ads through, and forcing adoption of hardware security like TPM.

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>>723952268
I love these memes

>>723953914
vanilla gnome is a minimalistic environment, it's very good if you have attention problems.

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Imagine needing some task bar

>>723954161
>there's still a task bar at the top
are you retarded?

I'm considering moving over my stationary machine to endeavour now that win10 is eol.
I have a laptop on win11 and honestly it keeps pissing me off. I wish they could just hire some competent non-pajeets and remove all non-kernel additions past like win2000.

>>723954161
Both tiling and virtual desktops are ultramemes.
I both use and enjoy overlapping windows.

>>723954206
It's not a taskbar retard

>>723953472
>This is a myth.
Don't say flasehoods with confidence, and definitely don't call others retards when you're the one wrong.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/05/08/microsoft-windows-10-last-windows/
https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows

>>723954229
so what's the difference between your taskbar and gnome's taskbar anon?

>>723954284
It has no tasks

>>723954298
gnome doesn't have any task either, you're thinking of kde.

>>723954227
Tiling's pretty good when you do programming or work with shell a lot. Maybe not that useful for other things.

>>723954336
Then gnome has no taskbar either? I haven't used gnome since gnome 2 died so IDK how it looks like nor I care.

>>723954298
>>723954336
Out of curiosity, when you minimize a window, where's the mouse button to unhide it?

>>723954417
>Then gnome has no taskbar either
see >>723953747
you're just playing semantics anon, and that's what's bothering me. everyone still calls gnome's panel (its official name) a taskbar.

>>723954440
if you mean >>723954161 then it's shrimple, there's no way to minimize a window

>>723954485
Okay sounds pretty gay. For me task bar is a bar that has the running tasks. That's just a top panel with some widgets.

>>723954440
gnome doesn't really do hiding windows. if you minimize a window (something not supported ootb) it will still show up in the overview.
gnome does away with window management, if you want to "hide" a window you move it to another workspace.

>>723954549
For all intents and purposes in this kind of conversation there's no difference between a panel and a taskbar. Acting smug for not using a taskbar when you use a panel is retarded. You're just boasting for having different features. You don't gain anything in screen real estate.

>>723952896
>cockblocking the close button
You can just switch the buttons to the left side if you want. I personally don't use the close button at all. I middle click the application in the taskbar to close it, or just use Ctrl+W, Ctrl+Q or Alt+F4.

>>723953914
They just add an extension to it. The extension defaults to the bottom position, but it can be configured/moved anywhere, so Canonical just defaulted to the left side. Mainly because they discovered that it's the position that makes the most sense a decade ago. Canonical was the first company that popularized a taskbar on the left and they're definitely correct.

>>723948421
>where new versions come out every ~6 months for distros.
It's no news that linux is peak garbage that is racing to the bottom with windows and it will inexplicably incorporate mongoloid business fads despite the entire appeal being that it's an independent os that's supposed to be above that. If it was actually good people would switch to it with no thought.

>>723954814
>REEEEEEE THEY CATER TO MORE THAN JUST MY GAYMUR NEEDS
>business fads

amazing. keep me posted...

>>723941686
Maybe it's a problem specific to Bazzite?
I heard that on Arch it works on par with Windows.

>>723955831
>specific to Bazzite?
unlikely, anon is probably doing something wrong.
there's a few pitfalls if you're not running games straight through steam and proton. if you don't know what you're doing make sure to use either proton or a wrapper like lutris to run windows games on linux.

>>723954560
Sounds very gay, flaming faggot tier even, why can't linuxsissies operate like normal people?

>>723922991
>all these long winded explanations
money.

>>723949106
>/b
>AVERAGE age : 18
thats absurd.. that would mean a whooole bunch of literal teens would be voting to bring that average down to only 18. And by voting and saying they're underage they'd get banned lol
also
>average 18 but 61% are not virgin.
Yeah right... lol

>>723922991
10 was the first step towards a walled garden so they can get more revenue through fees using UWP Applications but they found their bread and butter is with subscription services and new hardware sales where those services are better integrated. Go look up 365 link if you want to see where this is all going. Your computers are going to be made irrelevant to Microsoft one way or another.

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>>723940830
This anon is right...
sadly ill NEVER switch to Linux as long as VR is still a fucking mess to play with, AI is also a pain to work with, AND modding is also a headache.
Fuck man... im a big fan of all those 3 soo.. Winblows it is for me for the foreseeable future. Hurry it up Lunix ffs

>>723956860
It's over a decade ago now but all my friends went to /b/ when we were 14. It was cool and edgy.
It wasn't until I grew up I started exploring other boards in the first place.

>>723957004
AI is such a weird space in the tech world. I've used Linux for years both as desktop and for professional and home server use, and for pretty much anything I want to do, everything is easier on Linux.
But self hosting any type of LLM+voice cloning with any form of complication is always designed for Windows first, Linux second. It's so weird to me to see something so technical be easier on Windows.

>>723940883
yeah, linus is a real woke fag, yet he delivers. the other furry fags are 10x worse.

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>>723957201
time flies, anonbro
changes will come

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>>723923079
The only way it would work is it steam sold laptops/pcs (in stores) with linux preloaded on them. Until a company does that, normies will never adopt it. Until normies adopt it, most companies will not bother to target their programs towards it.

>>723957076
/b used to be fun and cool etc but waaaaay back in 2004-2005 (yes im a true oldfag) but then i stopped using 4chan for like 13-14 years soon after that.
Now im mostly on /v. I tried looking at /b a couple times but it's just full of porn and low quality trash... just an absolute shell of its former self.
>>723957201
>It's so weird to me to see something so technical be easier on Windows.
isnt this just some drivers issues or Nvidia not doing too well with Linux? im sure down the line it'll be more compatible. I dunno, but im sure more and more people are gonna get absolutely fed up of Windows 11 then 12 and more people will start working on ways to make it work on Linux.

>>723957509
a. normies will start spitting acid asking why is this brick coming with something other than windows
b. maybe normies shouldn't be brought into this in the first place. look at anything normie-infested these days. i mean... look at 4chan... look at internet in general

>>723945582
Unfortunately the right was pretty much my experience with mint. Tried to use it to build some public github repo and work on (since pulling down everything via linux terminal is just easier), but I ended up spending hours just googling fixes. Said fuck it and put windows 10 LTSC as my VM instead, just werked.

>>723957509
no don't even dare suggest this, normies should be gatekept... see how the current gaming industry is because we didn't gatekeep them hard enough

>>723957617
Normies don't even know what a zip file is, let alone an operating system. Tech literacy is at an all time low. So these people are incapable of installing a new OS on their own, they need to be forced.

>>723957668
If you continue to gatekeep then linux will never get native builds of most programs, and developers will never target it. You have to remember the average person just wants to scroll facebook, emails, and play fortnite. If the OS you give them can do all of that without issue, they don't care. Then once a mass move over happened the software companies will follow along.

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>>723922845
>LINUX
>GAMING

LMAO your morons keep pushing fucking lies,
it is just a fucking coincidence that only a few games run somewhat better on Linux,
and that's because of bad gpu drivers.

The Windows kernel scheduling can and will never be matched by a fucking server os.

end of story.

>99.9999% of the thousands of games that come out for the PC, run on Windows, because that's the Best OS the developer targets,

Cope and seethe and cope again and cry more

>>723957850
We don't need native builds for anything but productivity at this point.
Maybe anticheat stuff. But Proton has solved pretty much every gaming issue there is.

Linux sucks. Windows just works.

>>723958068
>>723958154

...smell that, anons? roasted scrotums...

>>723957850
the problem is that the average person scrolling social media is target for mainstream OS like windows so they are bloated with shitty stuff like ads. Imagine the OS you use and favor suddenly becoming mainstream and then you are forced to install bloatware and have it ruined right in front of your eyes.

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>>723936319
>build new PC
>install Win11
>copy my files over
>didn't realise OneDrive was now syncing my Documents/Pictures/Music/Video folders by default
>tell it to stop doing that
>OneDrive empties the existing documents folder already on my OneDrive I was using to backup some stuff
>it's not in the deleted items folder

>>723958612
we already have corporate oses on linux (ubuntu, popos...) and they're not filled with ads. the key difference is that if a distro tries to pull that shit people will just change distro. good luck getting a windows user to move off their bloated system.

>>723958068
>>723958154
>it's currently afternoon in India as we speak
>The poojeets start to screech about their stinky "superior" OS right after they finish their shift at Microshaft
lol try to be more subtle next time Ranjesh and Rakesh.

>>723958697
>good luck getting a windows user to move off their bloated system.
exactly and it should remain like this. let windows become the shitty OS comparable to Youtube with like 7 unskippable ads per window open for example and have the other OS being gatekept from the normies

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>>723958630
lmao, congrats. Now your files are stored in some pajeet's computer in some Microsoft center in India.
You ARE going there to retrieve your files, right.... anon?

>>723958809
I just did. 2 weeks ago. After 20 years of it.
So it is possible.

>>723958630
>tell it
Good luck telling Onedrive to do anything. That shit pulls whatever files it feels like into its permanent folder that isn't on your hard drive. Turn it off and one day suddenly it's back on.

Thanks, India.

>>723956351
They do. Normal people just don't use Gnome.

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>>723922845
KEK

LOL

LMAO

LOLMAO

LOLMFAO

ROFLOLMFAO

jej even

Predictable from the next dimension over.

>B-BUUUT WINDOZE JUST WERKKKKS *JEET NOISES*
STREET SHIT HARDER JEETNIGGETS

>>723924438
Pretty good. Installed linux and forgot I wasn't using windows.

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>>723950052
>>723959349
amended

>>723922991
Really? Because I can give you a hint and tell you it had nothing to do with benefiting or providing a better product to the consumer.

>>723958612
>forced
Lol
Lmao

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>LINUX AS A GAMING COMPUTER
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>>723959654
lol
I hope whoever invented those shitty services drown in their own feces.

>>723925509
That is a prime example of a game no one should or would ever play on a fucking deck. Games that benefit from the trackpad aren't the type of games i want on a portable system.

>>723960512
nah, come on, whoever invented the services did ok job.

whoever decided to bake them in the way you can't get rid of them is already drowning in street-shat feces...

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>>723922845
Linux is officially the king of PC handhelds
Hail to the king

>>723922845
Linuxfags say this all the time but when you look at the actual numbers its a range of 10% max either way, where some games run worse than windows, and the one game that sees a significant performance difference is some random shit that nobody cares about and/or isn't graphically demanding so you're not actually using the extra frames.

>>723960195
well tech illiterate normies are forced to watch them tho. do you think the average consumer knows hot to tweak a smartTV for example and have it skip youtube ads?

>>723922991
Because it was also shit. 11 is shit for wildly different reasons. Windows apologists literally don't understand how Windows works.

>>723960852
most smart tvs are black boxes, you can't tweak shit no matter how tech literate you are.
the correct move is not buying a smart tv or a console in the first place

>>723922991
Because Microsoft needs your data.
The only reason I haven't fully switched to Mint yet is because I'm too lazy to backup my important shit.