How do we stop Pokemon
>>724036458>game's budget was 14 million>made 500 million in sales in one weekthere is no stopping this
>>724036458its proof that pokefags will buy literal shit in nintendo shipped it to them
>>724036458This doesn't even take into account the millions of lost sales from piracy from the Switch version or America lagging behind because trump fucked the economy and is taxing the Switch 2 to hell and back to fund tearing down the white house to build a new child sex dungeon for himself.Pokemon and Nintendo are just that powerful
>>724036458You cant. Try stopping a freight train with your bare hands. BTW, Pokemon Z/A is going so sell over 20 million. Get ready.
Do the Team MZ crew ever show up in the overworked?
Palworld lost
You have Nintendo derangement syndrome.
Ozempikachu and Gen 10 will hearld the end.The TRUE "You'll buy it anyway."
>>724037153>Try stopping a freight train with your bare handsI am Indian so I will try
I genuinely think Nintendo is Disney tier.
>>724036458Turns out that internet opinions are the minority, go figure.
>>724037358>The TRUE "You'll buy it anyway."poketurds eat all the slop and nintendo makes millions even with the new overpriced lego shit
>>724037025>pokefagsA lot of those sales are parents buying slop for kids and I have a hard time finding fault with them
>>724036458>Children buying childrens gameWhy wont they listen to the 30 year old /vp/ manchildren????
>>724037262Nintendo is Disney before Tarzan. Sony is Disney after Tarzan. Xbox is Bollywood.
>>724038161Meant for >>724037437
>>724036458>>724037025>>724037503I think its more to do with normalfags not looking up the things they buy and just see [PRODUCT NAME] and automatically buy it. Only places like /v/ and other small video game communities are tearing apart trailers long before the games are even released.
>>724036458Ex-pokemon fan here. You simply cannot.
>>724036458Don't buy the games and don't give free advertising by making an entire thread about it. The less you talk about it the better, the loyalists will feed off the negativity and dig their heels in out of spite.
>>724036458All you can do is keep bullying and shaming pokemon pay pigs. It's a futile task in this moment, but over years the cumulative effect snowballs. Game Freak must be made to do better.
>>724037206Palworld won actually. An early access game from a small indie dev sold more than most individual Pokemon games despite the later being the biggest franchise on the planet with over 25 years of branding.
>>724036458ZA is a good game, even popular beyond the Pokémon audience.Facts once again prove that the clueless and furious haters live only in Echo Valley, completely disconnected from the real world
>>724036458Thank god, I was getting worried that Nintendo would have to actually try this generation.
My only problem is the awful buildings. I wish they just made it switch 2-exclusive and took the 2.5 million loss that week.
>>724038914>ZA is a good g-ACK
>Go on twitter>Walls of people playing dress up and posting screenshots>Go on /v/ and /vp/ >NOOOO THEY WERE TRICKED, NO ONES HAVING FUN I BET THEY DIDNT KNOW IT LOOKED BAD BEFORE THEY BOUGHT IT>LOOK AT THESE TEXTURESEvery time
>>724036458>stop funWhy
>>724036579For a full $70 btw not no bullshit $30 and instantly on sale. Pokemon is a force of nature and /v/ is constantly getting gaped by it.
>>724039158This is where you have to go now that you've been thoroughly embarrassed for believing steam numbers meant Digimon wasn't a little ant compared to Pokemon.
>>724039158>Famitsu Sales>Digimon Story: Time Stranger for PlayStation 5 opened at 23,779 retail copies>Pokemon Legends: Z-A (The Pokemon Company, 10/16/25) – 872,552
>>724036458I think you'd have to make an alternative on mobile phones. Though I have no idea what the nintendo consumer base is like, haven't played one since... I think the 3ds and even then not much.
>>724037437You think Nintendo are happy about Pokémons lack of quality? It reflects badly on them
>>724039240>Go on twitter>Walls of people posting about stuffing their faces at McDonalds>Go on 4chan>Why are you eating that slop there are much better food options You can go ahead and seethe at a food analogy now>>724039512>>724039548>B-b-but numbers!!!!Unless you're an investor, defending Pokeshit is subhuman corporate bootlicker behavior
>>724036458you don'tjust let childless mantoddlers enjoy their slop while they get replaced by jeets and nigs
>>724036458electrocute faggots
Evil never truely dies.
>>724039997nintards are extremely woke, gay, anti-white, anti-christianity, anti-straight, pro-immigration, pro-black, pro-trans, so it's always a surprise to see them whine and bitch about wokeness in third party gamesunless they're just really mad those games don't run on switch/2
>>724039841I couldn't outbreed jeets and niggers if I wanted to, and I wouldn't get government gibs like they do even if I tried. I'm also not a millionaire. The only winning move is to not play.
>>724038419I had to several months after release explain to somebody what a disaster the GTA trilogy was so he didn't buy it.This guy was somewhat on the extreme end of normalfag though, he said the only anime he could ever get into was Death Note.
>>724036458we need to bully anyone buying it
>>724036458>soldWe won Za bros
>>724038961Nobody is falling for it sonyfag, we all know Game Freak are a separate developer. You won't make this blow back on Nintendo
>>724039783That's a shit analogy because unlike Pokémon Maccas is good.
>>724039783>food analogyamerican?
Do you even play those games? it's not about pokemon but about having fun, nobody like overcomplicated games
>>724040684>Pokefags are retardedWe already know that
>>724037025We already knew that they bought a demo to learn how to use that shit tablette..they are retarded beyond believe..
>>724040171maybe stop being a fucking third worder, maybe in your shithole crossdressing is bad, but in normal country both males and females have fun of this autismI fucking wish we could just nuke shitholes
>>724037025You know what, I don't care anymore. In fact, I hope the games get worse and more expensive. They deserve all the worse they can be offered. Let them eat slop and call them piggies too. I genuinely do not care, it's no longer my problem.
>>724040824Go dilate you mentally ill troon
There’s currently a seething anti pokefaggot who keeps spamming cp in every thread probably due to these numbers.
>>724036458Palworld 2 is our only hope
>>724040869fuck off shitholer, in real life guys won’t crossdress but tons of them play as a girl character, it's not about wanting sex because they literally fucking dress up that bitch and pretend to be moe
>>724040892Oh my GOD where? tell me so I can report him too
>>724036458I haven't bought a Pokemkn game since gen 6, which was so shit I dropped the series.I really don't care how much they sell, I've accepted I'm not the target audience and don't buy their games.
>>724040892Wow amazing numbers it sure make the game better..Nintendo tards are pathetic..they will never be man and touch a real pussy..that's why they troon out..
>>724036458You can't, it's pokemon, pokefags are the disney adults of the nintendo world, literally one of the worst games in the franchise sold like 29mln copies, and that's at full price with no discounts.
>>724040908More Palword and more Digimon games, both would be excellent.
>>724036579This. You guys need to realize they have literally 0 reason to listen to criticism when they will make bank anyway. Your only realistic option is to play actually good monster catching games like the older pokemon games (pre-switch era IMO), the older spinoffs, the numerous pokemon fangames, digimon, SMT, cassette beasts, I can go on and on. I'm not telling you it's wrong to criticize, hell I even agree. I'm just saying that expecting new pokemon games to change is an exercise in futility.
>>724041396> is to play actually good monster catching games like the older pokemon gamesWay to invalidate your opinion
>>724036458gamefreak can keep getting away with it for another centurythe only way to possibly stop this is to eliminate all poketroons
mass genocide on all pokeniggers
>>724041471You're free to keep screaming at the clouds then. You'll be surprised when gen 10 turns out to be shit too and makes new record profits
>>724037927>pokefags>A lot of those sales are parents buying slop for kids and I have a hard time finding fault with themI'd love for this to be true but as someone with 8 nephews and nieces these kids don't play anything but Roblox or Minecraft. Pokemon is genuinely a game for adults now
>>724041559This is the only way. Unfortunately pokecattle aren't quite dumb enough to off themselves.
>>724036458There was no stopping it anymore with how big of a success SV was despite all the horrible issues, at this point it's just funny to see how little care and effort Gamefreak puts into their games. I'm more excited to see all the dumb glitches the next game will have or how Gamefreak will break new ground in low effort.
>>724036579And this is all a very small fraction of what they make from merch and shit like that.
>>724036458pokeniggers are genuine human cattle
>millenial gamer face when gamefreak doesn't make a nostalgia bait emerald clone and instead makes a game for children and japanese normies
>>724036458>Lower than PLA's first week sales (6.5m)>Lower than Palworld in 5 days (7m)LMAO
>>724042962>palworld salesTell me where they actually said it SOLD this much and it wasn't just play count dishonesty
>>724036458Half on switchtoo? Is the game available on another platform?
>>724037025>>724036579>>724037153>>724038151These are the same people who want Palworld to die btw
>>724043162?
>>724043162Nigger this is a factual event you could easily look up. PalGODS WON, I'm afraid. Wokemon is simply dead, which is why Nintendo seethed and sued.
>>724039783Sales matter.
I'm still not going to buy it because it doesn't look fun.
>>724043563Don't worry more black people in the next game gonna save us
>>724043697It's very funny how despite """"anti-woke"""" /v/ claims to be, there has been little to no complaint or pushback about this as Pokemon keeps doing it. Almost like they're drones.
>>724043828/V/ is only anti woke when snoy does woke shit but when gamefreak does the exact same thing and engages in pro Trans and LGBT stuff online it's based
>weo no e has even more people in his head now
>>724039158>79 is somehow a bad score
>>724036458>weI'll do nothing. I haven't bought a game in 8 years. If a game doesn't get cracked, I don't play it, simple as that.
>>7240370255mil on release is kinda garbage for a pokemon game. Scarlet and Violet Sold atleast 10 Mill on its first week.
>>724036458I know that these threads are all delusional wishcasting by bitter embarassed teens and manchildren, but the idea that your whining and complaining on Twitter is going to amount to anything is just too funny.Pokémon is twice as valuable as Mickey fucking Mouse and it established that value in 1/3rd of the time. For its entire 30-year history it has enjoyed continuous unprecedented success and relevance in essentially every industry that it has established itself in. It didn't just take over the world in the 90s, Pokémon today is more popular than it has ever been.This is a brand with such universal recognition and entrenchment that it would take a genuine world-historical event to bring it down and you think you can give it a bloody nose with some review bombing. What else is anyone supposed to do but laugh at you?
>>724036458That's the neat thing, you don't. Game Freak is never going to change as long as the games will keep selling and the games will keep selling because it's fucking Pokémon. The best thing you can do is wash your hands of Pokémon entirely. If you really need to scratch that monster collecting itch, try ROM hacks, or a different franchise. But if you sit around with a bunch of apples hoping that they'll turn into oranges, you're just going to be disappointed.
>>724036458Rather, how did it get to that point? Most of the monsters look lame as fuck.
>>724036458Iunno, play palworld. I actually gave it a try today. Its everything you ever wanted in a pokemon game.Eventually nintendo will give up on sueing them and embrace the competition and fix pokemon
>>724044028The number of units sold is the budget of the game, in yen.
>>724036458why stop it? let pokefags eat shit
I've played almost 50 hours since launch, it's got very strong pacing once you're out of the railroaded story introduction at the start.
>>724044028>5mil on release is kinda garbage for a pokemon gameNo it isn't lol. The other Switch games that sold this much all went on to sell ~15 million copies, it's exactly what's expected for this title. >Scarlet and Violet Sold atleast 10 Mill on its first week.It sold 10 million copies in 3 days, which is fucking insane and made it the fastest-selling game Nintendo has ever published in its history. They were an unprecedented success, the most delusional fans would not expect it to be the new benchmark.
>>724044565I love her so much bros...pokegirls are the only thing GF still gets right
>>724037437>>724037835Why do you nigger still blame Nintendo?Gamefreak are the sole devs of the IP.And leaks have beyond a doubt proven Nintendo wants the quality improved but can't do shit as gamefreak gets final say in the matter.Nintendo merely approves if the games CAN be made, not the HOW.
>>724039997Seems like a small sample size.
>>724039158>botting and fake reviews by palcuckstry again
Gamefreak spends months crunching in board meetings creating waifus then create megas like this
>>724037927>kidsThe only people playing Pokémon are aging millennials, not kids
Going by all the post full of spelling errors and deranged statements it is safe to assume that this is a >macaco threadAnd most of the posts are him samefagging.KwabRaped n gaped
Pokemon doesn't even need a western audience to survive. So even if snoys and pcvegans totally take over the western market, pokemon will still be there.
>>724044565That's good to hear since it seemed quite a bit more annoying/intrusive than the last few games' intro sections, I've been seeing people get stopped and pushed back onto the invisible path constantly.
>>724044752Get some taste faggot
Games looks like shit but at least we'll get good porn out of it so it is still a win.
i think its nice they finally innovated. the new battles are fun.
>>724044769You don't know kids so how could you possibly know that
>>724045075nah nigga fuck you I aint falling for your Ironic Psyop, its bad and will remain bad.
>>724044769>audience of people buying Pokémon games doubles in five years>kids must have stopped buying itIs this your final cope?
>>724036458Third time's the charm.
>>724045017It is annoying because your rival stops you by calling you on the Rotom Phone as soon as you try to step out of the critical path. It's sort of understandable that they didn't let you go off from the start since the game has to establish the Wild Zones by day / Battle Zones by night gameplay loop first, but it feels artificial compared to SV which designed the starting area so that you're funneled to the main city simply by the terrain (and there's still a large side area to catch some Pokémon in right away). Z-A opens up once you do the first Wild Zone, the first Battle Zone/promotion battle and meet Emma, which is when you start getting sidequests. From then on, you can go wherever you want and you're basically only gated from some rooftops/side areas by the lack of the Rotom Glide ability which you unlock a bit later, plus the story dictates when more regular city districts turn into Wild Zones and more wild Pokémon can be found.
>>724037025we knew this the moment people bought ORAS, and then became blatantly obvious by Sword/shield.
>>724041396>expecting new pokemon games to changeAre you implying they aren't changing? This one isn't even turn based and has a unique setting for the series being the first that actively goes for a single large city instead of natural expanses and smaller towns.Like how are you able to look at online battles in Z-A and say the series isn't 'changing'. This one has free for all, real time 4 player online battlesDo you people even look at these fucking games before complaining
>>724044769I teach grade schoolers and pokemon tcg and games are still super popular among the boys.
>>724038419This. Normalfags do not think twice before buying something, the idea of buying new stuff served as a form of dopamine rush for them.
>>724045605You talk like this is the first legends game that came out. I'll give you multiplayer but besides that, this is more of the same. Also>praising the city when you can't go in 90% of the buildingsAlso also. It's crazy how you missed the entire point of my post that complaining is useless and that you should play other games in the genre if you're sick of nu pokemon, and then proceeded to call the post complaining. I thought you'd be the type of person that would like these types to fuck off. What happened? This isn't even going into the point that you intentionally misconstrued what I meant by 'change' seeing as these people have been crying and shitting about game quality since the beginning of the switch era. Did you read only that sentence? Just be honest.
>>724036458Battlefield 6 sold 7 million in 3 days. 5.8 million for POKEMON of all things is pretty fucking low.
>>724036458You don't, the real question is why are you mad at Roblox tier children's media, it isn't for you anymore and never will be. Just play SMT or some other RPG that is more appropriate for your age.
>>724047053Why would you go into 90% of the buildings in any open worldThat logic has been retarded when people said it about GTA for years too. What a fucking stupid idea. What gameplay context would that possibly even serve
>>724047551People say it in the context of Pokémon because it's a regression from the 2d era. You were always able to go in every building. I agree it's a retarded thing to whine about when every single wall in the entire game is a building but I also think it's retarded for any adult to be complaining about Pokémon.
>>724038419Pokemon games have been low quality for years. People just buy them no matter what
>>724037025>nintendoretard
>>724047668>You were always able to go in every buildingNot true for any town with more than a handful of buildings. There are unenterable buildings in every major town in Kanto, Saffron City is like 80% inaccessible.
>>724047551>he can't counter any of the other points (like the fact that he missed the entire point of OP) so he has to hyper focus on the buildings>also using 90% as if it isn't an exaggerationAlso imagine saying what's the point of going into buildings in an open world when you can hide tons of stuff in them? There's even a whole ass dungeon in ZA which is in one of the buildings? I can't believe I have to explain this. Looking back it's just obvious that you're just here to defend the game kek
100+ comments of petty insults and buzzwords, nothing of substance about why the game is bad. normies this normies that, who cares, you niggers can't articulate a single sentence of why it's bad without le epib reddit speech, in some ways you're worse than normies, or rather a shit covered mirror of them.THE GAME IS JUST BAD OK??? RETARDS KEEP BUYING SOMETHING THATS BAD OK? GRAFIX ARE BAD THAT MEANS GAME IS BAD? good morning saars
>>724047787That's an exception to a rule. The vast majority of buildings in 2d Pokémon are enterable precisely because the majority of towns are just a handful of buildings. The question is more, why make a city be the entire open world when it's just a bunch of blocked off, ugly corridors but that would be questioning gamefreak who is making hyper successful games for toddlers.
>>724041774>Pokemon is genuinely a game for adults nowif that's true then why hasn't the series grown up with its fans
>>724044074you're butthurt enough to reply
>>724038419>I think its more to do with normalfags not looking up the things they buy and just see [PRODUCT NAME] and automatically buy itAs much as you want to believe that, that's just a massive cope. The reality is that everyone is aware of what pokemon is and chooses to buy it because there's no adequate alternative, they've all worse in some way either relating to the battle mechanics, the linearity, abundance of story getting in the way or just the lack of monsters to find.
>>724048567Because they literally do not know how to judge a game as a game.
>>724041774No it isn't. Pokémon is strictly a game for 8 year olds and no amount of balding millenial fans will change this. It isn't even all ages media like Disney or Nintendo it's pure children's media like bluey or paw patrol. Gamefreak splitting into subdivisions who want to make normal AAA games has made this obvious. These employees needed a real creative outlet and Pokémon wasn't it.
Friendly reminderThird worlders who only know games through piracy don't matterYou were never buying games, whether you like or hate a game the sales will be the same so game studios couldn't care less of what you think
>>724049276>Gamefreak splitting into subdivisions who want to make normal AAA games has made this obvious.Not really, it just means that group isn't good enough for pokemon.
>>724049751There isn't a dev on earth who isn't good enough for Pokémon, you can hire kids who are still in university and they would be too competent for that team.
>>724036458Quit being an obnoxious faggot who spouts vile at people for playing a video game. Months of shaming people over video games and you still lost. I've told you this before, and I'll say it again. NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT PALWORLD NOR LAWSUIT DRAMA. FUCK OFF ALREADY.
>>724043303>who want Palworld to die btwThat sounds based.
>>724049403too late, i already downloaded 5000000000000000000000000 copies of the game and deleted them >:)
I didn't play ZA but if you're mad about the state of the franchise it's kinda your fault
>>724036458>Sold less than SV on the same time period.???
>>724045075>draw starmie>give it long legs>manages to mog every palworldHow did he do it?
>>724049832>There isn't a dev on earth who isn't good enough for Pokémon,Anon, why do you think other monster tamers can't stack up? It's because the amount of work pokemon takes is absurd.
Genuine questionHow much money has za made? In sales alone I mean
>>724050168It sold worse than arseus too with higher switches in circulation.
>>724050246Then why are Pokefags celebrating? These are pretty low numbers for Pokemon.
>>724036579Legit how do you vote with your wallet against this? They could have launched on WiiU and it would still turn a profit.
>>724050236Enough.
>>724050294They have to find a win somehow especially when it scored worse than arseus and the UN Agenda gyms got leaked.
>>724050294Who's celebrating?I don't think anyone cares about it selling more than Arceus did.
>>724050294They don't want to admit Palworld won.
>>724050197I mean...time stranger just came out...>>724050346You don't. Pokemon is probably mathematically the one franchise in which voting in your wallet is the least effective. They quite literally are the most profitable franchise, no?Like other anons have pointed out, the best thing to do is to just play other games and not waste braincells fuming on this shit.
>>724036458Has Pokemon reached cult status like applefags?
>>724050678>time stranger just came outYes. And time stranger isn't a as good as pokemon.You're going to get angry hearing this but for a game that took 8 years to be made the only thing about it that's particularly good are the visuals. The battle mechanics have actually been simplified since CS with it adopting an SMT style weakness system. It reuses a lot of music and animations from CSHM.While the dungeons have visual variety now over blue cubes they're still small and linear.There's an overabundance of recolors padding out the roster.It basically impresses the normalfags but not anyone who actually likes monster tamers.
>>724050894No.
>>724036458They will stop themselves eventually.They're just burning through the good will they've accumulated over the years and because of how big they are, it will take longer time to go down.
Pokemon will become a religion.
>>724051130>They're just burning through the good willThere was never any good will anon. No one sees companies like that.
Anyone else hated the combat? It genuinely pisses the fuck out of me that the Pokemon will do their stupid roar animation each time they swapped in and also, going back to the trainer after each command/attack. For Alpha Pokemon it's quite annoying since they're fucking huge, sometimes an attack from the enemy can hit the player as well because they stand too close. Trainer having a hit limit/hp is something that they should've just outright removed. It made some sense in Arceus since you have those shitty wannabe rollslop battles with legends. In ZA even Rouge battles are Pokemon vs Pokemon battles, no more balm throwing nonsense from LA.
>>724051130>Burning through goodwill>Pokemon is more popular than ever since pokemaniaAt some point you'll have to leave your made up world and join everyone else in reality
>>724051023>There's an overabundance of recolors padding out the roster.Like what? BK Agumon and Gabumon? The total number of monsters is still way more than LZA.>the battle mechanics have actually been simplified since CS with it adopting an SMT style weakness system. You think CS doesn't have weakness system?>It reuses a lot of music and animations from CSHM.Like?
>>724050197No, it's because you're a balding millenial who is terminally stricken with nostalgia. I haven't got a fucking clue how you stomach these shitty toddler games. I'd rather play any mediocre jrpg on the market.
>>724036458Pokemon is quite literally too large to fail. ZA is the equivalent of them shitting in a jar and selling it and it sold millions.
>>724051258>It genuinely pisses the fuck out of me that the Pokemon will do their stupid roar animation each time they swapped init's to balance switching, else you get the palworld retardation where you just recall your mons to dodge everythingin the cartridge game, you concede a turn to your opponent when you switch out so it's to simulate that effect
>>724051393>You think CS doesn't have weakness system?Nigger that's a completely different statement to what he said.
>>724051642>else you get the palworld retardation where you just recall your mons to dodge everythingOutside of trainer/gym battles, this shouldn't matter at all.
>>724051969What did he mean by this?
>>724051969what gyms
>>724050346You don't buy it.
>>724051258>In ZA even Rouge battles are Pokemon vs Pokemon battles, no more balm throwing nonsense from LAThe rogue megas have an aggro mechanic, you can try to bait their attacks towards your trainer so that your Pokémon can attack with impunity.
>>724045547ORAS is good, retard.
>>724036458Pokemon Go is the only game in existence that got fat Americans to walk outside at night to catch Pokemon, when it was first released
>>724036458the greatest franchise in the world.
>>724051468No, it's not. Z-A is a great game.You have to learn to voice your criticism instead of just spamming GAME BAD.But of course you haven't played it so you can only repeat what Asmongold told you
>>724052014Combat against wild Pokemons having restriction like that is stupid. It's not like the battles themselves are particularly strategic or anything. Trainer battles, sure, there's at least a rule of engagement that one has to follow. Also, there is still swap dodges, you just can't act immediately after a swap in.>>724052039I'm not talking about just ZA, more of an IF, if GameFreak decided to go forward with this combat system, there are some things that needed to be ironed out.
Since Zaza is this much better than PLA, the next mainline must be peak. Those code-monkeys better hurry up with the Switch 2 emulator.
>>724052643so you want your pokemon to arbitrarily scream during trainer battles but not wild battles? you know switching has always worked the same in wild and trainer battlesyes i know there are swap dodges, that’s the point of the roar, it’s so that the enemy still gets a free swing at you even if you recall dodge, it’s a necessary nerf to recalls
>>724052547>did you get bullied while they were out?
>>724052160Still a completely unnecessary mechanic brought over from LA imo and it's particularly jarring during trainer battles, since you can still technically get hurt but not the opponent.
>>724052821I don't think it's strictly better. Battles are and I don't mind the gameplay focusing less on research tasks, but I wouldn't want Pokémon games to eschew natural landscapes for urban environments. It's nice for one game but it would get old quickly. The Legends Galar they're making as per the leaks seems like it's going back to Arceus' style with large fields and I'm looking forward to it.
>>724036458PLA was 6.5m under worse conditionsKINNOH WINS BABY
>>724053512>under worse conditionsNah, 2020 to 2023 was the absolute peak of Switch userbase activity, it's natural that a follow-up released so late in its life cycle and cross-gen with its successor which just released wouldn't do quite as much. There are people who will hold off on it until they get a Switch 2 and play it there.
>>724052607>AsmongoldHe very unsubtly backed off days ago because it stopped being farmable for content, and he also said a bunch of dumb shit without knowing how any of the mechanics in the game worked
>>724037358they whitewashed muh pika pika
>>724051393>Like what? BK Agumon and Gabumon?Those two are a different problem being mon you can't obtain without paying for the DLC.Anyway off the top of my head these recolors and their originals are in the gameLopmonPlatinum SukamonGeremonDark SuperstarmonSolarmonShamamonSnowGoblimon so two recolors of goblimon FugamonHyogamon another two recolors of ogremon Ice DevimonGigadramonBlue MeramonThere's probably more but I'd have to open the game or look online to find out the exact number but that's already too many, it also doesn't help that form changes are considered their own Digimon as well, if you did the same for pokemon SV the base game would be nearing the 600 mark.>You think CS doesn't have weakness system?No one said that, I said it was simplified. English clearly isn't your first language.>Like?Like the majority of signatures?The Royal Knights theme is also from CSHM.
>>724039548Time Stranger unironically needed to have released on the switch 2 as well. Japan has almost no interest on non portable consoles.
>>724052607>Z-A is a great gameYou Pokeretards are so easily impressed.
>>724054015Bamco loves releasing games later on Switch to encourage double-dipping even though they almost certainly lose more sales from people who lose interest in the game than they get from people buying it twice.
>>724054020You should play more than just pokemon.
>>724036458Make a better Pokemon with actual budget, including better plot, monsters, mechanics and visuals.
Stop fucking buying it anyway you sheep, you don't need it.
>>724054239Ah yes, a game with 100 pokemon and incredibly linear dungeons that lasts 10 hours.
>>724037437At least Disney puts money into something >The construction cost for a new Disney park is not a single figure, but Disney has announced a total investment of $17 billion over the next 10 to 20 years for its Florida resort, which includes plans for a fifth theme park. The cost can vary significantly, with a new Abu Dhabi park estimated at over $10 billion, and older parks having much lower construction costs; for instance, Animal Kingdom cost around $1 billion to build in 1998.Whats Nintendo spending it on? R&D to present a.... Switch 2......
>>724054139Take that advice and apply it to yourself, pokeretard.
>>724054276isn't that just the gamecube gamesfor the record, i actually really liked them
>>724054312Super Switch was adjectively good naming
>>72405400120-30 out of 400 isn't "too many". Also, Digimons after the child stage are stupidly complex and detailed design-wise for their own good. Something that usually these monster collectathons try to avoid.
>>724054396Colosseum has only 50-something mons. I don't think it's fair to compare it and XD to the mainline games since they were obviously made with certain limitations in place so they wouldn't overshadow them. I liked them too aside from the world map which felt kinda lame. Even a simple overworld you traverse by bike manually to link the points of interest together would've been better.
>>724044585Just buy Bayo 3 again
>>724052607>Z-A is a great game.Explain.
>>724054573it's weird but i think there is a place for a limited selection of mons. i had a lot of fun using shitmons i'd never had given a second glance like jumpluff who was unironically the mvp of my playthrough in gale of darkness with sleep powderi feel like when every place has like 20 different mons, nothing really feels special and most of the roster just feels superfluous anyway
>>724036458Nintendo keeps winning
>>724037025Palworld lost, redditfag
>>724038743Nobody cares about palworld anymore. It had it's 5 minutes of fame and now it's irrelevant. Meanwhile Pokémon remains beloved
>>724041559Seethe
>>724037437Pokemon fags are worse than nintendo adults
>>724036458>How do we stop PokemonBy having taste, a tough concept for nintendo players but it is the only way
>>724037025They are on par with FIFA fans
>praised PLA>they announce PLA 2>it's fucking dogshit and is only PLA 2 in name This game is plain trash, not surprised to see how well it's selling
Legit just stop caring.You people let pokemon live in your head rent free. Whether a game succeeds or fails has no impact on your personal life.Voting with your wallet isn't some warcry of a boycott, it's a personal choice and path only you can decide for yourself.
>>724036458Just let it happen.
>>724050037>NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT PALWORLD Funny, most CTRL+F Palworld results in this thread are in fact from seething tendies mentioning Palworld
>>724054549>20-30 out of 400 isn't "too many".Yes yes it is that's a considerable chunk of the roster and again, forms like imperialdramon fighter mode are also considered their own mon too.>Also, Digimons after the child stage are stupidly complex and detailed design-wise for their own good. That's a moot point to make when most of the models have been reused from the previous game and even if they weren't this is a game that's been in development for 8 years.And this isn't a case where they had ideas floating about like tears of the kingdom where development started in 2019, we know that it was in development concurrently with HM and later Survive. https://www.gematsu.com/2018/09/digimon-producer-reconfirms-new-digimon-story-game-in-developmentIn other words, even if you look at it from a "Wow, look at those grafix!" perspective it's not impressive at all. If you give most developers that time and the resources they had you'd get a way better game than time stranger. You clearly have very low standards though so there's no talking sense into you.
>>724055589The funny part is that when you do that you only get palworld fans talking about it and the one guy using it as an example of bad switching mechanics.
>>724055604Pretty rich coming from a pokeretard like you. >ooooh large open world with no textures! 10/10 gamefreak!>ooooh real time combat that digimon had since 1999 that controls even worse somehow! 10/10 gamefreak!>no voice acting despite some characters are pulled directly from the anime? T-that iS SoUL! Amirite my fellow 4chinners!You clearly have no standards at all, so there's no talking sense into you.
Westerner can't understand why Pokémon is popular while his western franchises like fortnite and CoD are sinking in popularity.
>>724056529>COD>sinking in popularityInternet posts are irrelevant, in the past 15 years only two games have prevented COD from being the most sold game of the year: RDR2 and Hogwarts Legacy.
>>724056378>>724055604>manchildren fighting over Pokemon and DigimonHow embarassing, even normalfags who only play COD and FIFA are more respectable than you.
>>724052103I bought two copies since you said you wouldn't buy it.
>>724057420>He thinks CoD whales and bots inflating the player count means actual number of human players.
>>724055125>>724055187Cope harder pokecattle
>>724036458look at what they just releasedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JtuxmEiYl4pokemon will never be stopped
>>724056378Your only slights against pokemon are two superficial aspects that aren't particularly important and assuming real-time combat is all the same because you never actually played world 1. That's genuinely sad. Maybe if you spent more time playing games instead of getting angry you'd have higher standards.
>>724059041You're defending the utter slop that is ZA while calling Time Stranger inferior. You. Have. No. Standards.
>>724059327You're the only one bringing up ZA anon. Not to mention you can't even judge a game as a game.
>>724059507It's always like that isn't it.You're in a conversation talking about a game and some dipshit barges in going>GRAPHICS BAAAAD WAAAAH!imagine if they existed back in the 80s and 90s, gaming would have been doomed.
>>724036458You can vote with your wallet by supporting monster catching games that aren't total shit, If the market for pokemon competitors gets large enough, gamefreak's slop will at least have some serious competition. This is why Nintendo sued the Palworld makers, btw - its success scared them.
>>724036458By preventing manchildren from procreating I guess.
>>724061541I've played most of the monster catcher games the truth is Pokemon is just the best one that regularly releases games, like SMTV is amazing but that's a once a decade kind of game
>people are mad at thisI enjoy this game.
>>724036458Only Pokémon can stop Pokémon, which will never happen in our lifetimes.Instead, keep laughing at the abysmal quality and the retards defending it and go play better games.
>>724051393>Like what? BK Agumon and Gabumon? The total number of monsters is still way more than LZA.Realise that a lot of fully evolved Pokemon in Legends ZA have extra forms via Mega forms, Alolan Raichu, Galarian Slowpoke/Bro/King all aren't counted in the dex despite being more unique than the digimon recolours.Pokemon supresses its numbers with forms that Digimon would count as separate monsters. And Digimon counts monsters which are barely more than what Pokemon would class as shiny as unique monsters.
is this the paltroon cope general?
>>724059327>You're defending the utter slop that is ZA while calling Time Stranger inferior. You. Have. No. Standards.It's funny how Digimon fans crumble under the slightest bit of scrutiny of their games.
>>724037206This is true, lost so bad it killed Xbox.
>>724051023>It basically impresses the normalfags but not anyone who actually likes monster tamers.Yeah, that's why everyone that likes monster taming games absolutely adore it. You are unironically retarded if you think ZA is even 20% as fun to play as time stranger.
>>724041396>Cassette Beats>Choose your pronouns at the start of the game No thank youEven besides that every fangame/homage misses the point of what makes Pokemon appealing or just makes it needlessly edgy
>>724041396You are completely right. People need to realize pokemon will never be good again and move on.
>>724063036Cassette Beasts is good, though.
>>724063236Also Im trans btw
>>724062991I checked out the threads and it sounded boring like the whole game is just the type triangle and feeding babies to higher tier digimon, maybe I'll try it when it goes on sale but I dropped CS for being boring
>>724063328Also I bought Pokémon Z-A, the GOTY btw
>>724063482But Cassette Beasts is the PEAK and And an ABSOLUTE BANGER definitely my fave :) now Im off to dilate
>>724063036nta but you do know there are a lot of fangames and homages, right? It's literally impossible for literally ALL of them to miss the point or be edge. If you complained about incomplete fan projects, I would understand. There are actually some really good fangames out there that not only keep the pokemon spirit but even evolve the formula. But I completely agree with you that most of the fan games miss the point entirely. Specially the ones whose man feature is "you can catch all pokemon" or "it has every gimmick: z moves, mega evolutions dynamax and terastallization". It's the truth even with fangames that pokefags have shit taste. The actually great pokemon fangames will never be as popular as the slop.
>Wehuh
>>724063664Sorry, I meant Pokémon Scarlet and Violet!
>>724063856whoops meant CASSETTE BEASTS™ it really helped with my dysphoria because I’m trans and love CASETTE BEASTS™
>>724063334>just type triangleYou clearly didn't check the threads well enough. Specific digimon elemental resistances really was great addition they made to Time Stranger
>>724064170CS has element triangle as well but it was unimportant. I'll check out TS eventually if it goes on sale but CS was boring I don't have confidence in TS
What a miserable thread
>>724051023>battle mechanics have been simplifiedIn what way exactly? The strengths/weakness system is a lot more involved, and players have a lot more moves to add or remove weaknesses. Digimon abilities can now be changed. Piercing was removed, but they added reflect moves. Mons can now transform mid battle or execute combined attacks. I'm not seeing the "simplification" here. The sound effects of cs may have been reused, but the character models are completely revamped, and thus the animations had to be changed when they weren't changed completely. They definitely added more unique animations than za has in total.The recolors were preexisting digimon and are helpful to complete the evolution grid, as they have different evolution requirements.Time stranger has flaws, but you are to blind by fanboyism to see them, and it's still much better than any switch pokemon game (just like cyber sleuth already was).
>>724064108But I love POKEMON so much MORE!
>>724036458>How do we stop PokemonI doubt anything short of complete destruction of Japan by a massive cataclysm, mass nuclear bombardment or civilization collapse will ever be able to stop it. It's a massive self-sustaining brand, normalfags buy it just because it's called Pokemon, not for any actual qualities of the product.
>>724064397Don't you get it? There is no elemental triangle anymore. It's all based on the specific digimon you are fighting. And it's way more relevant now.
>>724036458>we
>>724040824You will never be white
>Pokemon is terrible for nearly a decade straight.>People only start giving a shit when the games gave up on keeping every monster available.>Games start getting better.>Instead of rational criticism of the remaining problems, the entire internet continues to shit itself every time a new game comes out.Nobody ever cared if Pokemon was good or bad. They just took Dexit personally.
>>724041396>pre-switch era IMOSword & Shield is just Sun & Moon again.Every subsequent game has been better than XY/SuMo/SwSh.
>>724066710>Games start getting better
>>724066992Tell me how PLA is worse than Sword & Shield.
>>724067079Tell me how SV is better than literally any other Pokemon game.
>>724067714>DeflectsThat's what I thought, faggot.
>>724067079tell me how your shitty n64 tech demo vertical slice where you do nothing but catch the same old pokemon over and over with even more dumb downed combat is a good game
>>724067787I accept your concession.
>>724067714>>724067939>Given the easiest avenue in the world to discuss criticism.>Immediately tries to change the argument.Easily could have just said PLA was a fluke if you couldn't make a good argument for it being worse than Swoosh, just moving on to SV or ZA. But that would be harder than having the other side make the argument and nuh uh/swap arguments for an hour.Trolls are too lazy these days.
>>724036458Not when your customers are bunch of homosexual manchildren
>>724050346>Legit how do you vote with your wallet against this?It's time to recognize no form of democracy (even the wallet one) work, simply because 90% of said demos have no fucking brain and will vote whatever journalists/marketing tell them to.
>>724036579>game's budget was 14 millionStop repeating this stupid meme.First of all, it was a projected budget from when they were pitching the game. On another slide they talk about how they ended up exceeding the budget of Scarlet and Violet DLC by 4x. The projected budget means jack shit, especially when they delayed the game by a year.Second, it only accounts for Game Freak's work. It doesn't include TPC's work, Creatures' work, marketing, Nintendo's publishing, etc.
I kneel to pokefags. They’re too powerful
>>724050894Yes
>>724055440FIFA and other sportsball fans at least get what they want. Roster updates, minor graphic improvements, their gambling simulator cards, a basic career mode. The product doesn't improve that much, there's not that much room to improve at this point anyway, but it doesn't get much worse save for when they change engines and have to figure out physics again.Pokemon, as a product, has been getting worse since Gen VI, and nose diving since Gen VIII. Old Pokemon fans don't get what they want and many don't bother anymore, only consoomers remain.
>>724047104Its also lower than Arceus despite the fact the Switch 1 install base was smaller, wasn't bundled and released in January. 5.8 is a nice headline, but it's still down. Also, "faster" doesn't always mean it sells more. Monster Hunter Wilds sold way faster than World and Capcom has said that they aren't happy with the sales. Same for even Tears of the Kingdom. It got to 20 million pretty fast but its still behind BoTW by a good 10 million or so. Also, big brands don't die overnight. Blizzard has totally fucked up WoW and it still has subs. Most likely what will happen is Gen 10 will sell closer to the 3DS games due to the higher price tag. Outside of Japan, the brand is eroding and it's starting to catch up to them. At the same time, you have more competition. Honkai: Nexus Anima could be a problem for Pokemon as Genshin and Mihoyo games in general are still popular in Japan and abroad. Same for Azur Promilia. There will probably be other monster collecting games that come out as a result of Palworld's success and eat away at Pokemon's market share. Once the money stops flowing as easily is where you get to the corporate drama. The only way Pokemon dies is either a slow and painful decline or corporate shenanigans as there are too many players involved with the Pokemon Company's ownership.
>>724070553the thing pokemn iz not only a vidoegame you need compete with all merchandise trading cards and more shit
>>724050430It sold less than Arceus worldwide. Continuing an industry wide trend of sequels selling worse than the previous game. The COVID boost is wearing off.
>>724070862That goes with the games though. If the games start to fall off, so will a lot of the merchandise. Pokemon cards are a massive bubble right now and its ripe for a collapse. A double whammy of Gen 10 under performing and the Pokemon Card bubble popping could do some real damage.
>>724037437Nintendo is the worst of Disney and Apple.
>>724070510I'd say the opposite. Sports games are worse than ever, Pokemon keeps improving
>>724037927Nintendo's player base is predominately 20-40 year olds. Kids don't play these things anymore. It's grown ass adults pathetically clinging to their childhood.
>>724070862Pokemon is absurdly powerful. It can single handely kill the Playstation handheld because it'll never be on it
The only way to stop pokemon is to call anyone who plays it a faggot with no standards. Do not give them the privledge of discussing the games in peace
>>724071343>That goes with the games though>merchandise 108 billion>videogames only 28 billionnot even close lol
>>724067714Why the fuck did you deflect to SV?You could have said how PLA has less mon or how repetitive it is to catch multiple mon come the fuck on man.
>>724036458Why don't Pokefags want their series and games to improve? Being indifferent is one thing but actively fighting against improvement is a whole new mental illness. I don't get it.
>>724073004Because it's core audience are literal children, not the millennial nostalgiafags who want it to be better.
>>724073004Because they know its never getting better, gamefreak is gamefreak and notjingvis going change
>>724071827This. They need to be bullied into submission since their pea brains don't understand that Pokemon is shit.
>>724073004The Wii U and early 3DS launch fundamentally changed how Nintendo fans interact with the company and games. Both performed horribly initially and while the 3DS eventually recovered, the Wii U never did. What happened is that Nintendo fans were worried about the future of the company during that period, which is why you see them celebrating good sales figures and buying everything they can to support Nintendo these days. In the Wii U era, the mindset was that they needed to buy everything to help Nintendo, that mindset still persists even though Nintendo is flourishing now.For Pokemon in particular, it's up there with GTA for the biggest casual fan base in gaming. The fans don't follow any of the news or discussions leading to launch. They just see a new game is coming out and will buy it without knowing or caring about any of the details. So you have this scenario where the casuals buy it because they don't know any better and the hardcore fans buy it to support Nintendo. The latter being like how parents might spoil their child if they almost die.
>>724036579It's the anti-concord.>Their budget was 400 million and earned 1 million in the first month.Lol.
>>724036579>If we just round up the sales>Then round up the number that spits out too>Then we ignore that retailers take a good chunk of that money>Boom, big money for Gamefreak
Damn, south park was right
>>724073378>What happened is that Nintendo fans were worried about the future of the company during that periodA ton of Nintendo fans also got PCs, they just waited for Switch.
>>724073378>In the Wii U era, the mindset was that they needed to buy everything to help NintendoSo... why didn't they? Could it be because the Wii U was a shit product while the Switch1/2 are good products?
>>724036458Tendies will continue to buy slop no matter how low quality it is.The only way to stop Pokemon would be a tendie/millennial genocide (which would also improve all of society)
>>724074883Half of the sales for ZA were on the Switch 2. A lot of those Switch 2 owners most likely were also Wii U owners, they legitimately buy everything day 1. Those are the hardcore fans.
>>724073378Yeah. Pokemon only became successful after Wii U flopped because tendies started buying everything to support Nintendo. How did that work for Labo? Or Everyone 1 2 Switch?I haven't read a more retarded post this week.Wii U and 3DS failed because people didn't buy them because they didn't have games. 3DS recovered because Nintendo started releasing games (at the cost of Wii U). Switch had games. Switch 2 has games.It's not rocket science.
>>724036458Dread it. Run from it. New Pokesluts arrive just the same.
>>724075232>completely ignores the second paragraphPokemon has a casual fan base as well. Those casuals are the ones that bought the game day 1 on their Switch. The hardcore fans are the ones that bought it for their Switch 2. That's around a 50/50 split.>Everyone 1 2 Switch?3.74 million units for an absolute garbage throwaway game more or less proves my point. That's as much as Dragon's Dogma 2 which was multiplat. > 3DS recovered because Nintendo started releasing games (at the cost of Wii U).The main factor is because they lowered the price from $250 to $170 6 months in.
>>724070073Even if Z-A went 10x over that projected budget it still made enough money to be a huge success.
>>724036458>sold less than SV and LA in the first weekIt's already stopping itself.
>>724036458You don't.
>>724075030I skipped the Wii U and the Switch 1, but bought a switch 2. I feel like many people are either in the same boat or were Switch 1 owners considering the ownership ratio between Wii U and Switch 1.
The reason I bought it is because everyone told me not to buy it just like the switch 2 which I have enjoyed. If YouTube essay fags like moist critical didn’t buy it that tells me I should. If Reddit hates it that tells me I should. If 4chan hates it that tells me I should. It reminds me of Dune author who used to vote for candidates that were unpopular to piss off normies lel kek
Everyone don’t touch that dial (normies old fags and essay fags)Me :) I touched the dial >bought it
>>724076408>everyone tells me to not touch the hot stove>so i touched it! get fucked idiots!
>>724076637>don’t have fun because I said >why are you not like the rest of us ? Because I’m the main character
>>724071924If people stop caring about the games, the merchandise sales will fall along with it. The games create the buyers for the merchandise.
>>724071765Whats crazy about this chart too is that there are more 40 year olds playing Switch than there are kids under 20. Nintendo has really became a system for manchildren.
>>724044769You are so far off base on this. I thought so too but the kids adore pokemon.You don't have a soft spot for ANY of your parents interests? My dad's kinda a jerk but he raised me on amazing music.
>>724038151Those are the people buying the games. The average switch owner is in their 20 - 30s. I went to the library once and all the children that got out of school were playing Roblox on the computers. They weren't even playing Fortnite.
>>724073004They have improved. PLA, SV and ZA are all substantial improvements over the recent games before them. There was a long rough patch before this, now they've turned a corner and have been rewarded with unprecedented success.Each of those games have experimented with fundamentally changing the Pokémon experience and brought new life into a franchise that had been stagnant with nostalgia baiting for a long time. ZA in particular is the most radical one by abandoning the turn-based battle system. I don't necessarily want these changes to be the new standard for the series, but willingness to try new things after a decade of stagnation is a good thing.ZA also resolved the performance issues that have been the main criticism of the recent games. It is objectively an improvement in this and other areas. Your recycled criticism will fall flat if you can't recognize this.
>>724071765When I was a kid, my favorite thing to do was play on handhelds. I love my Game Boys so much. Then the PSP came out and did everything and it was my favorite thing ever for a while. It makes sense to me that modern day kids want to stick with the phone/tablet instead of playing on console. Especially now that the jump in graphics between portables and consoles is not as ridiculous as it once was.
>>724036458The only thing that would stop Pokemon at this point is either total economic collapse or a total cultural revolution that makes people seek out actual art and not slop.
>we need a revolution wtf lol
>>724077230Dipshit how do you think kids are supposed to play pokemon on the library computer?
>>724036458I had not seen the levels of ass devastation this game caused. Every faggot grifter was riding this shit like a town bike. >muh palworld>muh digimon>muh windows>muh 3d giant map>muh bad looking megas>muh Nintendo bad Only for people to still play it and had fun while they continued shitting on the game. Has there ever been a bigger example of that STOP HAVING FUN meme?
I bought ZA and enjoyed it. Im rank B now and I've done every side quest so far, the 10 fights in a row one took at the restaurant took me 3 tries, that first bitch instant poisoning you was a massive headache.
>>724075030The Switch is a proven product and the Switch 2 is a direct upgrade from it. Nobody is taking a risk on it, you don't have to be a superfan to want to replace your eight-year-old product with a superior model. There is no comparison to be made with the Wii U, which it will probably outsell in six months.Half of the game's sales being on the Switch 2 tells you why it's fallen slightly some of the other recent second-tier Pokémon titles - people don't want to buy it on their old Switch, they want to play it on Switch 2, but they haven't been able to buy one yet. We'll see what happens after the holidays.
>>724077578>>724077584These shills aren't even trying anymore are they?
>>724073004>Why don't Pokefags want their series and games to improve?? it is improving though
yawntranny...
>>724077984Nice fake emulator gameplay.
>>724076072It's not going to get even close to SV, its not a mainline game.SV made Pokemania numbers.
>>724078034Who?
>>724036458It will stop when millenial consoomers finally die off.
>>>/vp/
>>724078148Xer imaginary boyfriend, pay xer no mind.
>>724043303I want Palworld to be the Pokemon for adults /v/ insisted it was when it came out and made me buy it.
>>724077984>Pokefags are unironically defending thisLiteral cattle
>>724077984>dozens of videos of bugs with SV>every faggot crying about ZA can only post this exact clip of a guy's eight-year-old Switch dyingReally gets the noggin' joggin'
>>724078148Just the /vp/ equivalent of a sharteen.
>>724077773>but they haven't been able to buy one yet.They are readily in stock. There is even a discount if you buy the bundle right now. But checking Amazon, only 3k people bought the ZA bundle this month while 20k+ bought the MKW bundle. As time goes on, less people want to pay $60 or $70 for games and a $450 buy in is asking a lot. This is an industry wide issue, sales for sequels are down across the board because of the COVID vidya bubble bursting.I also find it silly that people playing Pokemon games aren't used to poor performance already and suddenly care about performance. Especially when we saw so many casuals stick with their PS4 for years and play crossgen games on that.
>>724037358>2 more releases, trust the plan
>>724078326>They are readily in stockDemand is objectively outstripping supply, but "haven't been able to buy one" also includes "I want to buy this but I can't justify spending $500 on video games in this economy, I'll try to save up for Christmas." The Switch 2 hasn't had its first holiday season yet, the install base needs time to grow. The 150 million people who already own a Switch aren't turning their nose up at this, they're waiting to get their hands on the superior version of the product.>As time goes on, less people want to pay $60 or $70 for gamesPeople who play Pokémon games (and any Nintendo game) are used to paying full price.>aren't used to poor performance already and suddenly care about performance.Scarlet and Violet struggled to hold 20fps, it was exceptionally bad even by Switch standards and actively felt bad to play. Going from that to playing the games in rock-solid 1080p 60fps is a night and day difference (even the Switch 1 version of ZA is apparently a significant improvement with stable 30).
Despite having a famitsu thread up, Nintendo fans feel the need to spam multiple other sales threads as well, just to clog the catalog. But not a single thread actually discusses the gameplay. Really does make you think.
>>724036458this game is literally a tiny town wtf gamefreak
>>724077990>>724077269You can't sort of tell the "don't you want it to improve?" are just ignorant of the position the series is in. The series has changed a lot in the last 6 years. While they've had the flaws a lot of the criticism comes off as if Pokemon SV was Gamefreak having problems just trying to make a game like Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D or something when in reality its just rough edges reimagining the the mainline into an open world game.Yeah fans would be angry if Gamefreak struggled making LGPE, but they didn't. They made LGPE without any issues, but it was also fairly unambitious.
>>724079375Yeah but you're forgetting just how many people are slaves to FOMO. They want to play the brand new thing when all their friends are and everyone else online is, when it's at the peak of it's relevancy. Those people are buying the Switch 1 version even if it's inferior. There's even a multiplayer mode in ZA so they can play it with their friends now, if they wait then their friends will have moved on.
>>724076954It's almost like it represents the age pyramid of the developed world or something.Also children don't fill out surveys. And most of the time it's their parents buying the games and then their kids can play them too meaning these kids aren't captured by the survey either.
>>724036458Pokemon.Won.
>>724036458I like seeing all these dweebs seethe about this franchise again and again. When will you idiots understand that these children games are going to sell regardless of how much you hate them? Because as long as 10 year olds around the world want to play video games with Charizard and Pikachu in them, they are going to sell. In fact, you should be ashamed that you care about video games for children.
>>724039158Nooooo delete this!!!
>>724036458Do Pokémon fans have any self-respect?
>>724069987>>724036579>>724041396what an horror timeline. ruled by absolute cattle.>>724040908nintendo will lawfare nuke them by that time.
>>724081469That's a possibility considering that Palworld has features from a leaked unreleased Pokemon game
>>724081675turning pokemon into survival crafting slop would be so fucking depressing. that market is completely oversaturated as is.
>>724081941Pokemon is already slop so how would it change anything?
>>724081941This. Sons of the Forest is the only crafting survival i need.
>>724036458There is no way anyone seriously thought that making posts on /v/ or xitter would have any sort of real effect on fucking Pokemon of all things. I refuse to believe we're that disconnected from reality.
>>724037437Disney genuinely felt like magic when they were still making traditional 2D animated movies. Nintendo genuinely felt like magic when they still had a CEO that cared about the quality of games they would put out.I can't even bother to care anymore because of the retarded Japanese culture of worshipping the biggest product and give money no matter if you're content with what you're getting. Cause in the end, what matters is if you were following the popular thing to make you feel like you did the right choice.
>>724044028>Scarlet and Violet Sold atleast 10 Mill on its first week.that's two games dummy, fans buy both games at the same time. That's why just one game, selling 5.8 is great success and remember this is not a main line game.>>724036458>How do we stop PokemonYou don't need to stop people enjoying their games. Fifa is more dangerous, so there you are.
>>724042603I think pokemon as a whole is already nostalgia bait for those faggots, you hallucinated someone who doesn't exist because they would be apathetic by now and focused on their job rather than what would be of a silly entertainment product
>>724045605There are a shocking number of people who think the series hasn't evolved when pretty much every game they've put on Switch is drastically different from what came before.And a disturbing number of people who actually want the series to stay exactly the same all the time like Animal Crossing.>>724047053>You talk like this is the first legends game that came out. I'll give you multiplayer but besides that, this is more of the sameIt's completely different to Legends Arceus. That game was still turn based, Z-A is a full on action RPG.
>>724082850Most people don't by both versions though
>>724063036>every fangame/homage misses the point of what makes Pokemon appealing or just makes it needlessly edgyThis. They all have that "this is our take on Pokemon" feeling to them. Ironically I think Palworld is the most original out of the lot even when they were blatantly aping designs.
>>724036458culling autists, man children and retards
>>724039783>numbers bad>except when I use review numbers from people who haven't even played the game review bombing it
>>724036458So games are still selling on the first Switch? I'm guessing it will surpass the PS2 in lifetime consoles sold? Unless Sony somehow finds more lost sales kek.
>>724083362>I dont like pokemon>4.9%I don't know anon, it's just a random poll where "I don't like pokemon got more votes that "usually, but not always"
>>724041396>they have literally 0 reason to listen to criticismIsn't that what they've been doing? We learned from the leaks that ZA was supposed to release last year. They delayed it after learning from Scarlet/Violet's fuck up launch.>digimonThis was in development for ten years and has worse DLC gouging than anything Nintendo's put out.
>>724083671Cope harder pokedrone
>>724039783Only pretentious people dislike McDonalds.
>>724037025You people say the same thing about Nintendo fans and the Wii U still proves you wrong.
>>724083949Don't bother with that guy. He's the same idiot who defends BOTW and TOTK as masterpieces, and regularly spams game journo articles to defend them.
>>724040824what a strange outburst, especially from a woke trooni'm moving to your country to leech off all benefits now
>>724084325>BOTW out of NOWHEREDerangement syndrome.
>>724084453Case in point.
>>724039158Reviewers are cattle influenced by feelings more than anything. Look at Nintendo Life:>Sword and Shield: 8/10>Legends Arceus: 9/10>Legends Z-A: 7/10Z-A is a lot better than SWSH but was scored lower because their reviewer felt she couldn't be positive towards the series or else the comments would eat her alive. They knocked an entire point off for the visuals when it looks way better than Arceus? They run off vibes, nothing more.
>>724084557Schizo retard.
>>724042603This is somehow the most succinct summary of that group I've ever read. It's basically what all the big romhacks try to be.
>>724084664So why should anyone listen to positive reviews? They're shills.
>>724045017It really pissed me off because I just wanted to check if there was anything behind the hotel and I couldn't even do that without getting called over. After the tutorial period ends it's jarring that they just let you out in the city to explore as much as you want from that point on.
>>724062501Want to know the irony of that situation?I'm a Digimon fan.A Digimon fan it's being called out for being a pokemon fan just because the Digimon fan isn't doing what pokemon fans do.
ZA selling great just shattered every narrative huh? I guess that's why there's so much asshurt and cp dumps recently.
>>724086014>Digimon>fans
>>724083883It's insane how whne Pokemon does this shit it's spammed constantly as a sign of how bad the game is. But this gets a pass from Digimon fags despite the supposedly higher quality.
>>724086164Yes, we exist despite how much bamco shits on us.And I'm adding Kaiser to my Greymon collection.
>>724073895Divide it by 2 then and the data still shows the victory of game freak
>>724049403Strange, phone games are massive in 3rd world countries. I personally do not know a single white person who owns a switch 2.
>>724086105???Did anyone genuinely expect a mainline pokemon game in 2025 to flop? >>724086227Weak bait
>>724036458actual slave mindset, holy shit
>>724086493>Did anyone genuinely expect a mainline pokemon game in 2025 to flop?You guys were celebrating it only sold 40% of arceus legends.
>>724086642You're surprised by this? It's the same fandom that regularly shat on Pizza Tower and Hollow Knight for not being switch exclusives. they despise anything seen as competition for their company.You'd think they would be happy to have these multiplats on their console, but apparently that's not good enough.
>>724086105>L-look how much my slop sold! Ignore the reviews!It's crazy how much you love the taste of corporate boot
>reviews meaning anythinglmao
>>724048686Japanese executives would rather commit sudoku than give up on the (very profitable) child audience. See Konami creating Rush Duel and making the anime focus on it because kids weren't playing the main game anymore.
>>724036579tendies are fucked in the head
>>724086753What did you expect from anti-tendies? It's not like they like games.Just look at that ACfag guy, all he does is shit on Silksong nowadays.
>>724086974And where are the Nintendo fans who like games? All I see is gooners spamming porn and sales.
>>724036579>game's budget was 14 millionHow the fuck a game like that costs 14 millions dollars to be made!
>>724036458>Stopping the most profitable franchise of the planet that even surpasses Hello Kitty, Star Wars, Disney franchises, Marvel franchises etc.Are you stupid?
>>724087079>And where are the Nintendo fans who like gamesPlaying their games obviously. Do you think they have the time or desire to spam porn 24/7? Get real.
>>724086753spiritual shareholders are a blight on game advancementmaybe I should actually buy nintendo shares, seems like a safe enough investment
>>724086974>Shit on Silksong but praise Pizza Tower.man, that guy just keep getting more and more shit, who raised him?
>>724087203>playing their gamesTalking about sales is not "playing games".
>>724079412Where is the game discussion?
>>724086732>Snoys and digifags actually trusted a grifter with no sourcesNever let them live this down.
>>724071657Sony is Apple, they even admitted that their goal is to become the Apple of gaming. They deliberately designed the PS5 so the average person would have to send their console to them if the OS drive failed, or upgrade to the latest Sony console if they no longer offered that. Nintendo is simply Disney, extreme protection of IP and family-friendly image.
>>724087349Here my nigga.
It's really bizarre to me. I came in expecting ZA to be irredeemable trash and it was actually pretty ok. Had more fun than any pokemon game since XY. It's a solid 8/10. There's a weird forced wrath toward the game and it feels really fake, like people are parroting some braindead youtuber's opinion.
>>724087267And where are they talking about sales? They only make two famitsu threads a week, the rest are made by people like ACfag for the sole purpose of spamming CP.
>>724036458The answer is: You don't
>>724036458Don't stop them, let them run it into ground for another 10 years or so until they have to sell the franchise
>>724087349>made two hours ago>40 postsCan't have discussion when it's just you samefagging.
So what other pokemon-like games have you guys been playing
>>724087614See the OP.>>724087559>thread is just bots talking to other bots>not even in the thread I linkedlol
>>724086014What is the irony this post is such a non sequitur
>>724087709>See the OPSo are you saying op is a tendie?Would that make you a tendie for being here too?
>>724037025You people say the same thing about Nintendo fans and the shitcube still proves you wrong. Only the most mentally ill cubies bought that slop.
>>724087773I don't support console warring, so no I'm not. But anyone who worships sales as a metric for game quality should be treated like a console warrior. IE "this game sold alot, that must make it good".
>>724087760Not really.
>>724087828And the Wii UAnd LaboAnd the virtual boyAnd a lot of things.
>>724087935>>724087828>Nintendo is perfect and they've never once made a single bad product, and if you disagree you're a snoy>um.... actually they made alot of bad products! that proves people don't mindlessly consoomTalk about tonal whiplash.
people really aren't doing well in life if they're taking up seeing people enjoy a new pokemon game as a call to armskinda depressing as i think about it
>>724044717Now talk about Mario Kart World and Zelda TotK, which were also disappointing and controversial. Or the Paper Mario games like Sticker Star.
>>724036458this has to be a psyop
>>724088034>Nintendo is perfect and they've never once made a single bad product, and if you disagree you're a snoyIs that what the voices in your head say?
>>724088034Of course there's going to be tonal whiplash if you make shit up.
>>724088034>the strawman I have constructed in my head has been invalidated and now I'm upsetNintendo fans let bad products flop. Compare this to the PS5 which has no games and is deliberately designed to become ewaste when the unnecessarily soldered-on SSD inevitably fails and it still sold 80m+ units anyway.
>>724088125Sad isn't it. Maybe if they had real hobbies they wouldn't be so bitter
>thread has now devolved into console warsAnyway I emulated the game for free on ryujinx
>>724088476You did? Fuck you.
>>724088371>Nintendo fans let bad products flopBut you guys swore up and down that the WiiU was a masterpiece and that only snoys didn't appreciate the ingenius controller design.But when sales didn't pick up, I guess you just dropped it as bad. Kinda slimy of you to do that.
>>724088523>But you guys swore up and down that the WiiU was a masterpiece and that only snoys didn't appreciate the ingenius controller design.Tell the voices in your head to settle down.
>>724087854God I hate this game you ESLs play>your post makes no sense, please rephrase it>nuh uh
Series never recovered from going 3D, who cares
when japan stop consoming so never
>>724088213>>724044717maybe if NIntendo didnt sued palworld but they fucked too, fuck nintendo shill nintendo is not different
>>724088895It's selling better than ever doealbeihowever.
Series is just merchandise slop for women, who cares
>>724042603>$70 game>Doesn’t bumpmap the buildings>Doesn’t properly align textures>NPCs popping in right next to you>You can fall through the floor if you run too fast>Content was already cut for DLC announced before the game released>”You just don’t like because it’s not like the game you play as a kid!”Have you ever considered suicide? If yes, please go through with it, corpo cock sucker.
>>724089235It's true. I'm gonna buy a Heatran plush in a few days
>>724088371See >>724036458
>>724089393It's not a bad product, just mediocre by series standards.
>>724036458>stop>40% drop from SVPokemkn is dying
>>724089325the sitting cutie plush is cute
>>724042603Damn you really nailed the exact look of those 8 or so /vp/ users.
>>724089501>by series standardsSo a bad product?
ZA selling ans Concord flopping kind of proves that people don't care that much about gameplay. They're both ugly, mediocre games but Pokémon is saved by the branding.
>>724043828>little to no complaint or pushback about this as PokemonEveryone who complained about niggers in pokemon were told to hush by the people who want to fap to brown pokegirls.
>>724089594He has no reason to be this cute...But he is...
>>724089594thats my hellfrog.
>>724089838Agreed. Unfortunately that's too much of a reasonable take, and we can't have that on this miserable console war board.
>>724088476>Didn't buy it>Still wasting time playing itNot really a win
I have it on the switch 2 and it looks great. The city looks much better at night though, I wish night could be a permanent setting instead of forcing me to find a bench every 30 minutes.
>>724044010>thinking that critic reviews matterlol lmao
>>724088791Anon, you don't even know what a non sequitur is if you think that was one.
>>724037437But disney at least was good at some point
>>724050894Pokefags are less somewhat less clueless but much more brazen in their shiteating. Super tribalistic as well. They love to gloat over sales, but these games never review well so they never claim their preferred slop is the best out there. "My X sold more than yours you lose" vs "you dont have X that means you're a loser"
I still expect ZA to sell better than Arceus in the long run. Arceus never had a holiday season to itself, it got kneecapped by SV.
>>724051023>th-they reused sound and some models-POKESHIT. USED THE SAME FUCKING MODELS FOR 10 YEARS. AND HAVE USED THE SAME MONSTER CRIES FOR 13 YEARS. DESPITE HOW MUCH MORE SHIT THE CRIES SOUND NOW COMPARED TO THE FUCKING. PIXEL. GAMES.
>>724091371You know they remade the models for SV, right? That means Digimon used their models longer
>>724083883>>724086227Funny but the cat clearly has little wheels on his toes. You can see them spinning.
>>724091007It's odd because you never see this happen from the side of the pokefag. It's always someone trying to shit on pokemon or say that because a pokemon game sold less than a previous pokemon game it flopped.Or more recently Palworld "outselling" most pokemon games, despite the fact that it only sold 15m.
>>724091679Yes that's why i said two different timeframes in my post.
>>724091997It's funny because they don't turn or spin at all.
>>724036458who the fucking cares, really, idk why are you obssesed with it
>>724092103You don't really know what you're talking about do you.
>>724092062>>724092062>you never see this happen from the side of the pokefagIt literally happened in this thread my guy>>724039512>>724039548
They redid their models for sv? Didn't notice. Definitely noticed the completely revamped models between cyber sleuth and time stranger.
>>724083883Fuck yeah Loader Leomon.
>>724092241More than you, apparently
>>724092372
>>724092349So, where does it happen?Or are you just going to ignore the context >>724038914>>724039158
>>724092552The context proves my point further dumbass
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>>724037025not until I get top down Pokemon games again will I ever buy their non sense, the games aren't even on par with coliseum or xd.
>>724092647
>>724036458We don't. We submit.
>>724092459>significantly less fuckable renamonWhy?
>>724092459The sad part is that you can tell that they only redid the tail and sleeves.Look at how the thigh matches up perfectly.
>>724092624So because a tendie talked about ZA in a ZA thread and you brought up time stranger the reviews to shit on ZA it doesn't count when you do it?Okay.
>>724039743They haven’t cared the last 10+ years
>>724092647Why does TS look so fucking shit?
>>724093260Because you don't have taste.
>>724092968what is so bad about more detail?
>>724036458This is Gamefreak's best game, I hope it does better than Arceus did.
>>724093027You are that blind or just coping that hard? Thighs line up because the overall size stay the same. But the proportions were fined tuned to the point the head shape, the position of the eyes, the size of the belly,etc are clearly different.
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>>724092372>They redid their models for sv?Only a few. I remember Charizard got a redone head.I remember a few models got reworked in PLA as well, like Oshawott having a modeled mouth instead of a texture.
>>724092459Oh, ew.
>>724092647Ummmmm which of these is the new one, haha?
>>724093504
>>724036458It's been an absolute joy to see /v/ and anti-nintendo fags go full melty over Pokemon selling like gangbusters, arigato for the entertainment losers.
>>724093534Charizard, Persian, Venusaur, Blastoise and Mewtwo I know got new models. The Blastoise looks a little weird, I hope it gets reworked again.
>>724093690Kill yourself tendie
>>724093534They actually redid all of them and it wasn't just Charizard's head it was his whole body.I don't know what you're trying to achieve here like people wouldn't just immediately notice the existence of actual knees on the new model.
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>>724093653for anyone confused the right is time stranger. and it's much better than cyber sleuth
>>724093872>when ya style develops
>>724039449My maths not good, but if it sold at its old price, wouldn't it be underselling hard?
>>724093690Being a snoy or xbot must be pure torture nowadays desu, the humiliation never ends.
>>724093872
>>724093731You know tendies don't actually exist, right?
>>724093949And yet the CS one actually looks like Meramon.
Digichads I kneel
>>724089995That's every snoy and mustard race. Claims they hate Nintendo and games are for babies. Always first to pirate and play Nintendo games.
>>724063036Cassette Beasts is SMT with Earthbound's art style, not a Pokemon clone.
>>724094374People only bought it because they thought it was a Pokemon ripoff.
>>724078245I don't care if palworld dies, I just want the troons to shut up who insist it's entirely original and didn't steal anything, because if they really believed that, they wouldn't even bother comparing the two in the first place.
>>724092372the pokeshill has been real quiet since this post
>>724094605They're too busy gobbling corporate boot to say anything. Give them some slack.
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>>724094605I mean, your first few posts had responses but you clearly only talk to yourself >>724094846
>>724094457I'm really sorry for them, the ads must have been misleading.
>look at the user reviews on metacritic>half of them are like "yeah this game is a 3/10 but I gave it 10/10 to fight against the reviewbombing"fucking lmao
>>724096042So, the 3/10 review bombers are giving it 10 now because they need to make it look like more than they care about this shit?Sad
>>724096387Indeed, this game is so good that every person who pretends it's not the best game ever made is lying. Sad that we've come to this point indeed
