What am I in for?
>>724080258probably the best mmo on the market today. There's a reason its basically the only mmo to show crazy growth over the last 10 years
fun till ~level 60 in skills, then you need a mix of autism/drugs to enjoy it
>>724080258gay pride parades and body type a/b trash
>>724080258Pretty much the only "sandbox MMO" anybody still plays. All the other popular MMOs follow the WoW formula or going from point A to B getting generic xp until the next cinematic/dungeon.OSRS is the only popular MMO that gives no shits what you do, you make your own path.
>>724080370why?
>>724080258a fun rewarding questing experience, followed by a tedious gambling simulation endgame
>>724082079How does economy function in this game? How is inflation handled? If people are continually playing for years, it would make any material have astronomical cost
>>724080258you quitting in a week when you realize this game takes 100 hours to get to the fun part
>>724080546Damn I can't imagine wasting drugs on runescape of all games
>>724082424idk osrs is very popular among amphetamine users here
>>724082264>How does economy function in this game?There's an auction house, prices are dynamic based on supply and demand>How is inflation handled?A few different ways. Some of the skills like construction are massive gold sinks, and expensive items listed in the auction house have a % cut 'taken' where the excess gold just gets deleted. Some mid/late game equipment also is used to make end game equipment, so the former doesn't lose its value, but thats less common.
>>724082149bots. It shows crazy growth because of bots.After the main place bots lived (duel arena) closed down, the game saw a third of it's players vanish literally overnight, and there were still bots roaming around. Nowadays it's not an unfathomable thing to state the game's averaging 50% of it's total playercount being bots at the minimum.I love osrs but it's not popular.
>>724080258A game that has long since passed its peak.
>>724082816You can spend hundreds of hours and still not even get to any of the nu content.
>>724082603its been confirmed that only about 10-15% of the population are true bots. There is likely some gold farmers in there as well, but it is definitely not 50% kek, not sure where you got that number from. Also the game is immensely popular, it honestly might be pulling better numbers than WoW these days. Sailing's launch with the HD update will probably make the player count hit 300k, which is crazy.
>>724082961>confirmedwhere did you get YOUR number from?My numbers are based on dreambot, OSbot, and sammich/waspscript usercounts. That's not even accounting for people who make their own shit or the AI bots.
>>724080258Best MMO in the market when it comes to design philosophy. It'll make you wonder 1. why the fuck companies keep copying WoW, and 2. why the fuck no companies copy OSRS.
>>724082950But it's still there.
>>724083097Because they've tried to copy OSRS but no one plays it because there's no nostalgia to hook them in. The gameplay can be 11/10 but if there's not a hook to bring people in it won't work.
>>724082950First they took away my achievement cape and I said nothingFirst they took away my music cape and I said nothingThen they took away my quest cape and I said something, but it was too late because all that was left were streamers
>>724083097after leaving Jagex, Mat K gave the semi-official number of 10-12%. He had no more ties to the company after leaving so I don't think he'd just lie or give a PR number. We can both play the game of 'that source is unreliable', because bot creators would also like to make it look like more people use their bot too. I think its somewhere in the middle, so I'd say 15%. I DO think there are also some gold farmers too, not nearly as many as bots though. OSRS has just grown in popularity over time as other MMOs go to shit, mostly WoW and RS3. The game is simple and just had a really broad appeal.
its actually a good game i played it also has quite a lot of features and its FREE!!!!!!!** I HATE CAPTCHA **
>>724083482Ah yes, MMK, notoriously legitimate, as when he said RS3 had "idunno, maybe 3-5% bots" right before the bot nuke where it was revealed 76% were actually bots lmao
>>724080258If you're autistic, you'll love it.It's like Cookie Clicker with better graphics
>>724083097>why the fuck no companies copy OSRSBecause Runescape actually sucks dick if you aren't 100% hardcore Runepilled.How many people do you think drop their first dollar on OSRS and then think "Hmm, Agility seems like the best thing to level up first", and then go actually ruin the game for themselves?
>>724084274kek, literally me
>>724080258Sailing soon
>>724080258Unironically one of the best games ever made
>>724084534People will look back on November 19th the same way they do EoC.
>>724084534is the HD renderer supposed to still come out soon? Haven't they been working on that for years now? 117 HD is ok but it makes everything look super saturated and runs like absolute shit.
>>724085350they said they want it before sailing comes out
Runescape is the only MMO where they actually put effort into the lore and quests where it isn't just the same shitty kill/fetch quest like every other MMO does.
>>724083791Runescape is also quite popular with gamers who lift/go to the gym and pro athletes for some reason. Some starting NFL player on the Titans has a maxed Ironman iirc. There's some strange crossover between long term athletic goals and Runescape players.
>>724080370It's arguably the greatest MMO ever made
>>724082264>InflationThe game has a lot of money sinks, a percentage of the gold that goes through the auction house is deleted from the game, plus skills like constructions which require multiple millions of GP to level up.
>>724082264>How is inflation handled? If people are continually playing for years, it would make any material have astronomical costThere are a lot of factors that keep prices of materials and gear relatively stable. First and foremost, bots are the foundation of the economy and continuously provide supply to meet the demand of everything from basic resources to endgame drops; the devaluing of valuable resources and items from excessive botting is a much bigger concern than inflation.There is also a continuous influx of new accounts entering the economy, whether they're bots, new players or alternate accounts of existing players, which maintains the value of early and mid-game resources. Few people have been exclusively playing on one account for 10+ years and accumulated more wealth than they know what to do with, "maxed mains" who have 99 in every skill are quite rare (only about 70,000 accounts currently). Many players/new accounts also opt in to the "Ironman" game mode where they and the resources they bring into the game are essentially cut off from the game's economy (though they can still drop resources to "main" accounts).
>>724083159what game has tried copying osrs
>>724082264>How is inflation handled?Taxes, gold sinks, death fees
>>724086097it feeds off of the same autism that lifters have, consistency and repetitive tasks that see incremental but measurable gains, and all of this can be done around your own schizo schedule
>>724080258Finding something to do on your main monitor
>>724082603>After the main place bots lived (duel arena) closed down, the game saw a third of it's players vanish literally overnightWhy are you just making shit up lol. That was in July 2022
>>724083097>>724083159>>724084274The Runescape clones fail because they have AWFUL early game but still have the gall to ask you to grind for no reason. There's little to no content to actually do, but they sure as hell mapped out their 1-99 progression. Which is backwards to how Runescape was designed and iterated upon.Early OSRS has tutorial island (which is basically just a quest that teaches you how to play the game) and then immediately outside at Lumbridge there's some early quests like the ghost quest or baking a cake. You can do quests like Demon Slayer and The Knights Sword that reward you cool looking new equipment.t. played a lot of runescape clones and was working on my own
>>724086620what happened in 2020 that revived rs3
>>724086757What happened in March 2020 that suddenly caused millions of people to have a lot more time at home on their computers?
>>724080258Hope you've got a second monitor to watch something interesting on because otherwise it's mindnumbing.
So is this just an idle game?
>>724086695>played a lot of runescape clonesCan you name any? I'm honestly curious.
>>724087010Only if you grind for 99s. There are people who just send raids all day every day, or autistically kill the same boss 3000 times over for a chance at a pet.
>>724087052mo.eegenfanadhighspellskillfitegrimoire cursebreakerbrighter shoresremote realms
>>724082264>>724086136>>724086480this and there's also a large portion of the playerbase that plays an optional game mode called "Ironman mode". Basically no trading and you have to get all gear, items, etc... yourself. Its quite fun and addicting.
>>724087476>grimoire cursebreakerOh man I own that and it was a big disappointment.I felt the same with RS3 but there's just absolutely nothing comfy with having an ugly as fuck navy blue sterile as shit interface be your game's main method of control.
>>724087010>idleYes, runescapers call anything below 100apm idling.
>>724086919rs3 though?
osrs is a waste of life, not that other games aren't but playing osrs is too sobering of an experience, there is no immersion to be had you are just clicking rocks for number go up. Quests are fun tho
>>724087278>autistically kill the same boss 3000 times over for a chance at a petThat's my clan in a nutshell
>>724088043this is very unnecessary and not many people do this. I don't mind that there's ultra poopsock methods for those who want to tryhard, and then casual click and wait methods too.
>>724088451i think osrs is one of the most immersive mmos on the market. The sound design is unique and because OSRS doesn't use the (((expansion))) system that other shit tier mmos use, areas don't really become outdated or useless like they do in wow.
>>724088632I am grinding the elite desert diary as we speak so I can do it.
>>724088043This isn't even macroefficient this turbo autist is just destroying his wrist for the love of the game
Honestly I think one of the biggest draws to OSRS is even the endgame content is fairly simple to understand. Most of it just comes to click timing. Compare this to WoW, which (for right now) hard requires like 20 add ons to understand the fuck is going on and you have to watch 10 guides per boss before you can understand how to do it.
>>724080258people bickering over goty contenders but you haven't played any of them lol
>>724089414>requires like 20 add ons to understand the fuck is going onNigga what do you think your endgame looks like
>>724082275what is the fun part?
>>724084534they finally pushed that dumbass skill through after all the failed polls?
>>724084534Sweet another reason to waste 500 hours of my life
>>724091759They made a "you are getting a new skill, pick from these 3" poll a few years ago. The other two options were just summoning but worse, and I don't even remember the third.
>>724090492that looks quite clean compared to WoW UI add on bloat
>>724092474Warding but worse. Sailing was the only concept that didn't suck shit and they still had to permanently lower the pass threshold from 75% to get it to happen.
>>724080258Even the game title tells you to RUN and ESCAPE, least you could do is listen
>>724086619Little rodent fella :)
Grind
>>724080258You are in for the most boring grandest snooze fest of a game you have ever played. The hive mind will tell you it's good and "comfy" and has "soul" but it has none of those. Even RuneScape 3 is better if you can put up with the grind. OSRS is where the soul goes to die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EktZVWpY9nwComfy trailer
isn't the game entirely solved and min maxed at this point?
>I have nothing to do with my life>so I need to do something to pretend to be productive or else I feel dead inside>I need a constant in my life pleaseOSRS is the game for you lol
>>724080258for a subscription if you want to fully enjoy it
when are they going to increase the 99 limit gap? I wanna see 128 for max lvls but thats probably overkill even for the hardcore autists
>>724096682Every time there's a new boss or quest it takes a while for people to really solve it.But you're not bringing twisted bow and quiver to deranged archeologist right
>>724091759>>724092474People voted for "a new skill to be added to the game" by 80%, so they came up with Sailing (which had been a meme for a decade but seriously proposed before), Taming (raising and using animal companions, basically Summoning or making useful pets), and Shamanism (a weird mix of gathering and artisan skill, probably most similar to RS3 Necromancy and Invention, getting materials for rituals and using them to make support/utility items and augment gear)Sailing made the most sense to me but I'd be interested in them pitching Shamanism again. Aside from the rewards which never really got explained, the idea of taking the Spirit Realm from the Corporeal Beast quest which is content that Runescape hasn't touched in like 15 years and integrating that idea across the game seems like it has a ton of potential.>>724096863Runescape 3 started the process of expanding most skills to Level 120 years ago.
how does one get into this game if they starting for the first time ever?
>>724096993>taking the Spirit Realm [...] and integrating that idea across the game seems like it has a ton of potential.And that's all it was, empty potential. It needed the promise of a huge area expansion to compete with Sailing's, but no concrete ideas for spirit world content were ever proposed.They should have proposed skills smaller in scope, players should have told Jagex to make the skills smaller in scope, but everyone was high off huffing "potential". Sailing will probably turn out fine, but it occupied the most experienced developer team for three years.
The EOC update for RuneScape (2) in 2012 is widely considered to be one of the worst updates in gaming history. Alongside the implementation of MTX (Squeal of Fortune) in the same year. Meanwhile OSRS is on top. They had to go back in time to recover from that mistake.Lol, lmao even.That said being said, OSRS is also bad.
>>724087010Grindy? Yes. Idle? If you want to.No one is stopping you from powermining iron but you lose smithing xp or possible money. Or tick mine granite if you are insane. Most likely you'll hang out in Morherload Mine or Blast Mine, maybe Amethysts to afk more.OSRS is balance of>Time(aka xp/hour)>Attention(apm)>Resources(either gaining or losing while getting xp)>Requirements(Quests, item upgrades, achievement diaries, etc.)for xp rates. Some stuff is more or less "obsolete" but even they have usually collection log unlocks if nothing else, or better xp rates requires quests or such.For example everyone's favorite skill: Runecraft.You can mine your essence yourself and craft highest runes. But essence mining is slow. Well you can also buy them but that costs money(not that much tho). Or do bossing for possible drops but that requires combat things. You can also do something like easy Temple Trek, but that needs few quests done.And fastest xp for is to make lava runes, but that needs lunar spell book and binding necklaces for best xp rates.However many does Guardians of the Rift, as it has unlocks and costs no resources, plus you get different runes. It is technically the best one for xp/resource balance but you cannot choose that well what runes to make. You can also do slower xp rates but make money with it.Smithing has turning gold ore in gold bars at blast furnace but you lose money on both paying for it and gold bars having no value. It's also very active.Or you can do Giant's Foundry for for good xp but it's resource intensive and needs some attention, though you also get gold and unlocks.Or you can just afk smelt cannonballs for profit(preferably bit faster cannonballs with Giant's Foundry double ammo mould).It's that kind of fun balance that makes you interact with quests and stuff. On other MMOs you rush to newest raids for best unlocks and that's it. All earlier content is obsolete and low levels are considered worst times in other MMOs
>>724098837Ignore this post.This person hates themselves and wants you to suffer in OSRS purgatory.
>>724098837But is that fun?
>>724082149You don't have to worry about seasonal shit, all progress matters.In something like WoW, your max lvl character in full epic gear will instantly turn to worthless shit once the new patch with higher ilevel gear comes out. An uncommon rarity sword will have three times the dps of an epic rarity sword from the previous patchIn OSRS, God Wars items are still valuable, because developers make an active effort to ensure older gear remains valuable, even if newer and far better gear gets released.
>>724087010Depends on how you play.For something like fishing, it can be as simple as clicking on a puddle.But there are other fishing activities that require more input and concentration, you can do Tempoross fishing boss, for higher rewards and experience rates.All skills have variety activites like this.
>>724087010not really, you gotta click a lot no matter waht
>>724098052Start with the excel sheet here:https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Optimal_quest_guide#QuestsIf you find something that interests you along the way stop doing quests and do that instead.
>>724099993The flip side to this is that because content never rotates out, new players have to wade through decades-old quests before they get to the good stuff.I've seen many newbies burn out before ever making it to the mid-game
>>724080258The best game out there in 2002. Nowadays people mostly play it for nostalgia. Everything was made assuming you're on a dial-up connection, so you probably won't enjoy the click based movement and combat.
>>724084534Very excited for this. When I played the sailing alpha with my friend he immediately got his boat stuck in some rocks and within a minute there was 10 different players anchored around him trying to give him advice on how to get out, it was pure soul. The release is going to revive comfy MMO interactions that OSRS lacks.
>>724099428Personal taste. Some people find CS2 fun, I don't. Doesn't mean it isn't a fun game. Same with games like Devil May Cry, I don't find them fun but some do.To each their own.
>>724082275Its the opposite. The game is the most fun when you're just starting out and everything is new. Before the grinding starts.
Whether you will like OSRS or not comes down to whether you enjoy old school mmo’s/rpg’s or not. If you do it’s faithful to that. If not then only extreme autism can make up the difference
I don't pay for subscription services
>>724101584this might be a problem if they only made new content for veteran players who have played a lot alreadybut that's not the casevarlamore has content for players at every stage of the game, for example
>>724083482>>724083731Little bit of technique in there as well
>>724096458genuinely most excited for the new music tracksthe varlamore tracks were pretty much all fucking amazing, can't wait to hear sea shanty 3
>>724080258Grindan and sovlfvl music
>>724085943Meanwhile theres slayer
>>724088975the planned obsolescence of content that happens in other games (notably wow and ffxiv) is actively destructive to the longterm health of those games and its so strange it took people 20 years to figure that outhorizontal progression with a curated sandbox is how every mmo should be designed
>>724098563>it occupied the most experienced developer team for three years.I mean in the past two years or so while Sailing has been in development, the game has had a pretty big run of well-received popular updates, including all of Varlamore
>>724082961>10-15% of the populationHAHAHAHA. It's more like 40%, big homie.
>>724098052Just play it. Quests are the best way to progress your account, doing Quests and Achievement Diaries is the easiest way to set goals and get a feel for what you should be doing.If you're not completely sold on the game you can start free-to-play and try to complete all the free-to-play quests, completing Dragon Slayer is a big milestone on any account, but if you want the full game experience just pay for members.
Who was that autist on the 2007scape reddit that posted about only eating lasagna for like 5 years while autistically tick manipulating to grind 200m xp in every skill
>>724080258You missed the golden era 20 years ago. You missed the second golden era 12 years ago when the May 2007 backup of the world state was re-released.Yet it's still somehow the best MMO for socializing and questing that isn't just "Kill 50 bears and bring their balls to me."Seriously, if it's your first time ever playing Runescape, do the quests. Some are pretty mundane and boring, but most have some cheeky dialouge and a level of attention and soulfullness to them that make them very memorable (for better or worse shilo village).
>>724105250Lynx Titan
>>724105282>"Kill 50 bears and bring their balls to me."Getting Ahead was a good parody of that kind of quest.
>>724080258literally endless grind
>>724080258You need serious autism to enjoy this game past mid game. Maxing isn't even the most autistic part. You will go dry for that drop you want. You will spend 1000 kc over drop rate and still not get it.So fucking frustrating but I can't stop.
RS3 > OSRSOSRS is where the soul goes to die.
>>724106167i really don't know how anyone can say thisrs3 is just osrs with the soul extraction beam fired at it at max powerit looks like shitit sounds like shitit somehow feels worse to play, with worse feedback on everything and a terrible UIits riddled with all these dailies, weeklies, monthlies, hourlies that you need to keep track of or you're just losing out constantlyand then there's all the cash shop bullshityeah bossing is better if you can make it 500+ hours into rs3 without quitting, but that's a big fucking ask
>>724092618>>724090492>>724089414You really dont need all that shit on your screen in either game. I've raided on both games for years (although not past retail WoD on WoW, I'm still playing MoP Classic). Using all that crap is a personal choice.
>>724105915autism isnt even enough for me anymore. i just cant devote hudnreds of hours of my life on a SINGLE skill in a game with 2 dozen skills. i hit 2k last year and i just cant do it anymore. i keep trying to come back but everytime i resub and remember what this game entails i just cant do it. i start something and last 15 minutes before i alt f4. i just cant. i think a part of growing up is just letting go of osrs.
>>724106534just play iron problem solved
>>724106694ulduar....home....SOVL
For me, it's Gertrude
>>724106880Used goods.
>>724106167it's amazing that people in this world actively prefer worse productsyou can show them a brand new car vs a broken down car and they will happily choose the broken down car
>>724090492Skill issue, I got most combat achievements on the official client, just missing the annoying ones that need a team.
>>724080258If you deep dive into PvM, an extremely autistic rhythm gameIf you just skill, an extremely autistic idle game
>>724083482That number doesn't make sense at all if you think about it for even a second. The bots only exist to serve gold buyers. How many players do you think are gold buyers, in terms of percentages? How many bots are needed per gold buyer? If they weren't significantly profitable, people wouldn't make them, and for them to be significantly profitable the game needs to be active and thriving.
>>724084534The playtests were fun
>>724107056rs3 is just bad b-because it is okay!!!
>t-the combat is simple compared to x or ystep up niggashttps://colosim.com/
>>724106534>bossing is betterNot even true anymore.Post Necro, you can faceroll every non-enrage boss by camping Necro + Soul Split.Even the quests have gone downhill after ~2017. The entire First Necromancer storyline was like "teehee xd I'm so quirky, consensual necromancy".Fort Forinthry line was something about diversity or gender equality, who knows. Raptor turned out to be a woman, we have a non-binary butler,Oh yeah, and Saradomin has an adopted black daughter
>>724106534And the writing is ABSOLUTE dogshit. There are a few quests which still have the spark but they're drowned out under the absolute deluge of 6th Age chosen one horseshit.
>>724107756it's so fucking funny to me that they had to specify she's ADOPTEDbecause otherwise that would mean saradomin was out there banging karamja jungle bunnies and we can't have that, the daughter has to be 100% bix nood
>>724107756>Saradomin has an adopted black daughterAnd Armadyl has been a fag since 2014.>bisexual, ackshuallyWhatever.
its still fun.rs3 > osrs
>>724107726eugh, I don't think I'm built for high end runescape combat. It feels way too jank.
>>724108136by all means continue to prop up rs3 so that jagex can continue dumping money into osrs updates with no mtxyou are doing us a favor
>>724108216That's a false dilemma, OSRS is plenty profitable on its own. RS3 also deserves to not get raped.
>>724108187You just have to play until you think and move at 100bpm
>>724108331RS3 has been getting raped since EOC. Its the paypiggy game now, everyone else moved to OSRS a decade ago.
>>724089083which is based, goes to show, you can play it like an idle game or Tylenol mode
Don't mind me. Just enjoying some holiday skilling.
>>724108331You can't un-rape the semen bloated corpseThere's really no salvaging RS3, unfortunately
>>724107726I can get up to the triple slash thing without getting hit, but timing the tick perfect prayer flick hard filters me.Legit more difficult than 99% of RS3 bosses. You don't even need to prayer flick non-enrage bosses there, you can just outheal the damage by rotating defensives
>>724080258https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Diversity_%26_Inclusion_updates
>>724082264>economyplay an ironman and don't waste your time with that gaybo shit
Why do the people in the /vg/ thread talk like a Discord server? It weirds me out.
>>724109019All the schizos ran off the normal people I guess. Probably the worst general on /vg/, who will likely now show up here since we both have mentioned them.
>>724109019It's /vg/, it could be much worse
>>724109019Each /vg/ general is basically a Discord server anyway and the OSRS general just resembles it the most.Everyone there either adapts to the thread culture or they fuck off. I have a theory the thread regulars do it on purpose to scare off people looking for an /r/2007scape alternative.
>>724109019Gu Poison
rs3 isn't even bad people just like to hive mind that it is
>>724082243this
>>724080258Spending 5000 hours of your life and asking "wait, did I even enjoy that?"
>>724080258This shit is driven by anglo cucks that should tell you what you need to know
pic of me having TONS of fun
I started corrupted gauntlet today and i already want to die2 runs won, 20 deaths and probably 398 wins at minimum to go
>>724084534Does anyone know if sailing has changed since the closed youtuber alpha?All their reviews were mixed.
>>724109019What you mean, not using the post ID to reply to other anons? That's because of two reasons. The first is that the are from a discord alongside other posters who brigade the generals. The second is because there's not point in replying to anyone half the time because it's mindless horny posting, erping, or meta discussion about the tranny of the week.
>>724110263Do tier 2 prep the entire time. Even if it adds a min or two each time it's worth it for never dying to the dog.
>>724110396already doing that, its hunleifs final phase that filters me, but to be fair i got much better at it today.Gonna add steelskin prayer tomorrow to see if that makes the difference, already got the royal titans prayers.
>>724110558Yeah it sounds like you're as prepped as you can be for it. Just got to run it enough so that it becomes second nature.Good luck, hope you don't go dry on enhanced.
900 more seeds and I'm done with tithe farm bros
>>724107628Ok nigger, let me tell you why RS3 is bad.>OSRS world is better; if you want to start mining, best place to go is to the dwarves. If you want to learn to hunt, go to the corner of the map south of Yanille, all makes sense. But in RS3 we can't scare the new player, so here is this area in Burthorpe where you can do all the noob skills.>OSRS story is better. Ribbiting tale and getting ahead gives small little stories to worldbuild areas, and larger quests like DT2 provide epic adventures. RS3 has the LITERAL FUCKING GODS of the runescape universe talk to the player and quip Marvel lines. Pic related is actual transcript dialogue from an RS3 quest.>RS3 has a completely bloated and confusing UI that takes a good half hour just to setup in a way that isn't cancer to navigate it.>RS3 has MTX and ability to just pay for 99s, or at least it used to. They probably got mogged so hard by OSRS that they are removing this and begging players to come back to mainline
>>724108676they pushed back against DEI nonsense longer than most companies and only really caved at the peak of the nonsense(2022). They have already scrapped the pride event
>>724080258old school runescape
>>724080258The greatest MMORPG of all time.
>>724109308name one general thats worse
>>724080546You mean 80s?You get base 70s by just questing.
>>724111209it's still fun though
>>724085216That's just retarded, it's a new skill, not a complete and total overhaul of the game. At worst, the launch is going to be underwhelming, but players will have the choice not to engage with the content much.
>>724111209it said a lot when the recent runescape league defaulted to the legacy uithey knew a lot of people would be coming from osrs to give it a shot and they didn't want to immediately scare them away with the shit default rs3 ui
>>724112078Yep, they totally have a choice to not engage with the content when the next 20 quests all have sailing requirements and raids 4 needs 70 sailing to even enter.
>>724106694This is actually the first I've heard of WoW Classic moving up to MoP. I haven't heard it mentioned in years.
>>724109019One word: trannies
>>724112185>raids 4 will need 70 sailing to even enterI don't think they would dare.
>>724112185Oh no, level 70! That's almost 1 million experience, it might take them two whole days!
>>724112185raid 4 is in morytania again so i highly doubt that
>>724112185I fucking hate farming and yet I have to engage with it for SOTE and CoX.
how come nobody plays the other runescape
>>724112472RS3 fixed farming with player owned farms.RS3 is a great game.
>>724112410Has this been hinted?Blood Moon Rises is coming out too early for a whole raid to come out with it, and all I remember them saying about the design of the next raid is that it will be like ToB in the sense that it's a boss rush with no puzzles.
>>724111389Any coomer game, including every single gacha.
>>724083097it's popularity (and other games for sure) also makes me wonder why there are still pretenses that anyone really still gives a fuck about super realistic graphics if people find the game enjoyable.
>>724112628I would rather just tithe farm to 99. I just hate the time element
>adding cringe reddit soilennial shit like the frog quest and capybara with orange on head>intentionally leaving gamebreaking bugs in to avoid upsetting gigaautists, and designing all new content around said bugs>pride events and rainbow cosmetics>body type a/b and pronoun faggotry>actually adding sailing, a literal meme skillSoulless modern corposlop
>>724112705I skimmed the last 100 posts of the Nikke general (as far as I'm aware, the most coomer gacha currently) and it seemed more tolerable than the OSRS general.
>>724112930I don't understand people who get up in arms about this in runescape. You get 100k exp a day just by doing a single tree run. Just put it as the first thing you do when you log in.
I do like OSRS, but I prefer RS3. OSRS is great for people who can heavily focus on it.
>>724113071Sadly runescape is ruined and will never be what it once was.. It's over...
>>724083097>why the fuck no companies copy OSRS.I truly believe if OSRS wasn't directly tied to 06/07 RuneScape and instead was a game that played identical but had a different (but functionally identical) map and a different name it would have flopped. You need a player base for an mmo to work and osrs got that through nostalgia. Yes, there's people playing that never played rs2 but they joined after the game was already very popular Any game that tries to copy osrs would just die because there's nobody who'd play it
>>724113216Because it's a CHORE
>>724113323Everything in life is a chore. You're just being retarded spending 130 hours at tithe farm instead of 5 minutes a day for a few months.
>>724113174Osg is surprisingly decent when it comes to generalsThey have their wacky gimmicks and a decent amount of schizoing/circlejerking but every general does. At least most if not all osg posters play the game
A pretty frustating game at timesHonestly the game is so much better to play during leagues or a community event (ala grid master) as some of the pain points are alleviated
Okay ill just be honest I hate osrs chores cape just play kino rs3
Farming and Hunter are the only good non combat skills in the game.
>>724080258either the vidya version of heroin or youre not going to like (and/or) get it. I havent met a lot of people who can genuinely just play it casually without some real life barrier getting in the way of them dropping hundreds of hours into it. a lot of people cant handle getting dropped into a game and being told>alright, well. go ahead
Hunter is good, farming is dog shitIf you want to bring up good non combat content, sepulchre is by far the best, but if you only want to look at entire skills as a whole, fishing is pretty good
>>724112185>You might need 70 in a skill to keep your quest cape and do endgame contentWow what a burden, this is definitely like the update that completely enshittified the entire game
>>724080258peak mmo experience, especially if you play ironman (solo / no trading)Quests and writing are fun and memorable, progression is superb, content is varied, grinds are fun (except for dogshit like runecrafting), and extremely fun combat/gameplay systems which are based around 0.6s game ticks
>>724113298thissame thing with WoW.You could create a mechanically identical game with similar content and no one would play it over a WoW pserver.
>>724108187>ohhhhh the clunkiness, i just can't stand the clunkinessif that's a turnoff you don't deserve to enjoy an actually good and unique video game
>>724109019They're legit mentally unwell. Like actually deeply unhealthy.
>>724113894Yeah, good job. You can read the words on the page! Too bad you can't think long term and see the entire design ethos of osrs changing in a similar way to when they forced EoC. If you have any long term memory, hopefully you can look back on this moment and know that I was right.
>>724088124Every game was booming during covid, even the shit ones. People literally had more time on their hands to play shitty games. I actually really miss it.
>>724115015I am eternally grateful for Covid popularizing remote work just as I was about to graduate
>>724086245>which maintains the value of early and mid-game resourcesThis is something modern MMOs are in very desperate need of. It's crazy that when you don't design an entire MMO around the "endgame" and having people hit the "early endgame" as quickly as possible, the vast majority of the game stays relevant, even if just a little bit.
>>724113891>farming is dog shitit is but just do your trees at the end of the day. shits not hard.
>>724090492I do this without any addons
>>724084534I was literally 20 levels away from maxing.
>>724080258a waist of time
>>724090492Addons help shitters who don't wanna think avoid thinking. If you actually learn how to play the game, you don't need any addons telling you how to play the game.
>>724111282I like how this schizotard keeps coming into these threads to remind the zogfed bullshit that came around last year. Now no one pays attention to him since Mod Gigachad (aka North) decided to BTFO all the xannies and their gaping neovaginas that >>724108676faps to in secret
>grindan Ardy Knights to level ThieveryGot my med Ardy diary done at level 80. I'm about to be 84.
>>724110172Nice hustle tons of fun, next time eat a salad
>>724111209Reminder that Armadyl will talk about how he's gay for no reason about his third spouse being a man specifically. Then with archeology you bring him some scarf and he starts monologuing about his gay relationship. It's even worse than marvel quip, I wish it were only marvel quips
>>724111209>>724117396I wanted to give rs3 a chance again with the wilderness update, in the fort questline Jagex put a character that had a whole deal about not having pronouns and being non-binary. Screw the gay relationship and marvel quips, this is just shoving newspeak from real life into fantasy without being satire. The game is humoristic enough to let some real life references slide but this was just deterring so much from the questing experience I just wrote off RS3 permanently.
Endgame in OSRS is just jarring. The intrinsic delay and inaccuracy of your character's location takes a while to get used to.Besides that, having combat situations where you need to move, swap gear, and click your prayers in the same tick isn't very fun to learn.
>>724114852>the entire design ethos of osrs changing in a similar way to when they forced EoChow
>>724118507true. i'm literally too old (also the alcoholism during my 20's didn't help) for that shit. i'd need some kind of hotkey bar where i can bind prayers/weapons to a keypress to be able to do pvm
>>724118507I think it's super fun desu
>>724118507>The intrinsic delay and inaccuracy of your character's location takes a while to get used to.i feel like this is something you should get a firm grasp on before you ever hit endgame just from playing the game and getting used to its quirks. A lot of bosses that revolve around a lot of "tech" play like a rhytm game, to me at least.
>>724118507a lot of people think it is literally the most fun part of the game, myself included. can't please everyone>>724121985they've started implementing early and midgame bosses that teach you prayer and weapon swapping to prep you for what comes later
>>724080258rs3 is more enjoyable
>>724113659Those are my two favorite skills. I don’t like combat. My first and only 99 is Farming, and my Hunter is like 95. I love Birdhouse runs, Herbiboar, and doing contracts.
Real chads play OSRS without runelite
yeah, i like that theyre doing that. I would have appreciated it a lot back when i first started playing at least when it comes to prayer swaps. That was one of the last mechanics that i really ever honed in. It feels like its somewhat recent where they finally acknowledged prayer flicking is an unintended mechanic of the game AND that mandatory chip damage through prayer feels like shit. Stuff like the nightmare and whisperer are great bosses because if you play well, you take no damage but fucking up is the right amount of punishing.
>>724123108Reply to posts you retarded tranny
>>724123225kys faggot. didnt mean to delete the post no's
>>724123369Apologies. I thought you were one of those freaks from the /vg/ threads.
>he doesn't play both rs3 and osrs>>724107756I refuse to accept the Raptor retcon with that retarded girlboss shit with the varrock queen, my personal headcanon has always been that Raptor is a sentient suit of armor.
>>724123705Retconning the Garden of Tranquility Ellemaria to the Raptor was the dumbest shit imaginable.I actually liked the character in the first quest because she had some funny dialogue.
Bad graphicsWorst control scheme of any MMO, point and clickAbsolutely infurating PVE because of the bad controls being a requirement for the end gameAnd its funny because the most infuriating boss fight out of difficulty is jad, not because he's hard but because hes a time sink and the waves are not skippable at all so you waste 1 hour+ just to get an attempt or get one shotted. Easily the worst boss in the game.
>>724123818At least OSRS isn't doing that shit, in their version of Defender of Varrock they added in a cutscene where she's seen cowering in fear from the zombies.
>>724112185You just described Farming though???
>>724123483apology accepted, its all good. i ctrl A+del my post out of habbit when i wanted to word the post differently and just didnt pay attention. im 99% sure they use a script like the furry threads do on /b/ where theres essentially an extra layer to the site that lets them identify each other. Either way, i tried the /vg/ thread when i came back off of a couple of year break and it was just fucking bizzare. No desire to go back.
>>724123842MASSIVE skill issue
>>724123842Jad gives you two whole seconds to react to everything he does. Like you said, it's point and click. You have two buttons, you just need to pick which one to click in reaction to what you see him do. You're telling me you can't parse that and make a binary decision in two seconds?
>>724124176Sorry but not going to sink 5-10 more hours trying to get lucky with RNG and waste my time. If an MMO makes me feel like I'm wasting my time and I'm making zero progress I'm not going to play it.I play fallout 76 instead and I'm having fun decorating and merching.
>>724123842The controls are fine. OSRS is a rhythm game set to 100bpm
>>724124357Terminally bad taste, holy shit
>>724124320Very easy to choke ONCE out of how many times if youve been doing a million waves, took me like 3 hrs to reach the fuckerI did beat him 1st try tho, ironman :)
>>724091759shamanism seemed cooler
>>724124608CongratulationsThat tension and time invested is why it feels good to win in the first place. If you could just go in and fight Jad off the rip then it wouldn't mean anything.
>>724124357basedgo play rs3 main u will like it
>>724123842Ain't no way lil blud got filtered by fucking jad and thinks he can talk about the game
>>724124320the simplicity of controls is great but ddr with a mouse is garbage and thats what all endgame is.
>>724124753Oh definitely, I thought I was going to have a fucking heart attack by the end of the fight. I don't remember being this excited for anything else in the last 5 years
>>724124854I think it works pretty well. It leaves a lot of room for skill expression while remaining fundamentally simple, and for the last few years they've really refined the system for boss design. Stuff like Vardorvis, Sol, Yama, where there's a definite feeling of getting into the intended groove and feeling untouchable for having mastered it.
>>724123705I checked out RS3 again with the league and I thought my memory was playing tricks on me with how Raptor looked. Now I know. Why the fuck did they think it'd be a good idea to make some bitch nobody really liked and was involved with one of the shittier quests into a more important character?>>724107756Is there any good quests worth experiencing nowadays? I think the last time I really played was around Missing Presumed Death, though maybe it was later. I remember they just started doing limited time events that weren't holiday stuff.
>>724080258Grind
>>724125831https://runescape.wiki/w/List_of_quests_by_release_dateSliske's Endgame was the last good storyline. Lord of Vampyrium was pretty cool as well.The stretch of quests between 2013-2016 was my favorite era of the game, but then it slowly decayed because the writers ran out of ideas and went full quirk chungus
How do I make myself enjoy OSRS better bros?Friend roped me into it a few months ago, currently lv. ~1780 (70+ in everything but RC) and it feels like all I'm doing at this point is boring myself to tears.Skilling is the most boring "content" in the entire game and my ADHD brain can't take any more than an hour of doing a click-loop that requires constant attention. Some of the more semi-idle methods (e.g. motherlode mine, wintertodt, dart tip smithing etc.) I can tolerate by watching a movie or show in the background, but still. Star mining and Slayer can at least be decently AFK to the point where I can just play another game on the side.On the other hand, raids/bossing is just a vicious circle. Feels like everything is (realistically) gated behind having better gear, which tends to cost many many millions, which requires doing rewarding content (raids/bosses) to get drops in the first place.I already got PTSD after doing Vorkath 200+ times and Moons 100+ times, and it's all just so boring now that I can basically do it half-asleep, but I know I need the money or I can't move on to better stuff.Any suggestions would be appreciated - I genuinely want to find a way to enjoy the game more, it just feels like I've basically got Mount Everest ahead of me before i can even begin to touch more "interesting" content.
>>724126929you don't because the game is boring as fuckmake an ironman and try to enjoy it it's all you can door play rs3
>>724124820Still not going to play OSRS. I tried once with a million gold and a good setup with 75 level combat stats and died 3 attempts. Hope jagex enjoys my $13 donation.I quit the game forever. Not going to play it. Good thing I only wasted a 4 days grinding/questing with quest helper/gemcrab in this shit MMO.
Necromancy should be locked behind all the quests leading up to Extinction.
>>724126929Don't fall into the trap of only being allowed to do what is most gp/hour as a mainJust send content. As long as you aren't bankstanding for 10+ minutes between trips, you'll make money.If you want to kill Muspah then kill MuspahIf you want to kill Vardorvis then kill VardorivsDoesn't fucking matter, just send the fucking contentUltimately your entry level basic bitch raiding gear set will cost you about 300m in total, and you can make that with 100 hours or so of decent pace pvm. That'll be your bowfa, your fang, your blood moon set, your ahrims/trident, and a decent potion stash to keep you going. Once you're there, you want to join a clan and learn raids, then just scatter some of that in amongst the rest of your activities to break the tedium up.
>>724126929you just have to set reasonable goals instead of trying to do everything at once, ok you need gp to fuel your pvm so you need to find a money making method, you can do anything as a main, even just flip items on the grand exchange
lods of emone, come runecraft with me
>>724127090>$13I genuinely don't know how people get into this game if they don't have the grandfathered membership rates.The monthly sub was more expensive than Game Pass (before they jacked up their prices), and you're limited to 1 character unlike with other MMOs
>>724126929OSRS is a game about setting goals and achieving them. If you fall into the trap of "I need to grind this slop boss endlessly for money so I can buy better gear so I can kill the boss faster so uhhh" you're going to hate the game and burn out. Aspirational content like inferno and colo provide clear long-term goals to work towards but for things like raids you really don't even need that much starting capital. I think what you're doing is looking at bis for the raid and assuming you can't get in without full torva or some shit but look at tob - void with a blowpipe and a whip rapes that raid to death. ToA just needs some basic moons gear to clear 300s easily. For that first starting capital to get those initial cheap sets just do literally whatever you find fun and rewarding, don't trap yourself into doing vorkath forever because you found it to be the most efficient.
>>724127618They killed off the grandfathered rates last year already so everyone is fucked now
>>724127618it's like 80 a year with that discount they run, third worlders probably buy gold and buy bonds? idk
>>724127574I don't have the level for bloods yet
>>724091676Slam dunking people with the ArmaGodsword in the wilderness.>inb4 tranny godI know. But I don’t care. I enjoyed the game before they trooned him out.
>>724106880>>724106880>single momFor me it’s the Rellekka bitches or whatever.
>>724086245Are bots the equivalent of jeets/edgars parasitizing White people?
>>724106167RS3 is the definition of a polished turdthe last time I logged in I was almost blinded by the amount of graphical effects it threw at me and still all that bloom and all those fancy effects couldn't hide how hideous the models and textures and pretty much everything else in the game are
>>724127016Eh, my friend suggested making a group ironman at some point with a few other friends but I figured it'd be nice to progress somewhat in normal mode before moving to that.>>724127339Honestly a fair point, I'd sorta forgotten about some of the other bosses. Vorkath at least always seemed decently profitable without relying on uniques and Moons just doesn't require any resource input.Guess I'll try running some different bosses over the weekend and we'll see, if only for the novelty factor.As for raids I got into my friend's clan that's breddy gud, so that side of things is at least sorted.>>724127387Fair. Might just try learning and running some other bosses even if the wiki classes them as "less efficient" tbdesu. Should at least give me something new to do.>>724127668You're not wrong about the goals - I found that while I was doing quests I at least had that goal of completion to work towards, but once I completed them all, it vanished into thin air and I wasn't sure what the next "goal(s)" would be.Then I just saw people in my friend's clan getting 900m drops from raids so I figured that'd be the next thing to work towards, and yup, the gear setups just seemed to be crazy expensive so moneymaking was all that stuck in my mind.
>>724123705It's funny how they had to ditch the cool mace flail thing the raptor had literally because they decided to give the raptor the regular ass player character female model and they're REALLY fucking lazy when it comes to making new animations for itspeaking of player characters have they released the new models they've been talking about for at least a decade yet?
>>724128852I think they dropped that like a bunch of other old ideas, they really need to redo the entire Salt in the Wound quest from scratch where they don't have retarded shit like Keneeth aging into an adult and that retarded split party shit, have an actual boss fight with the slug queen at the end.
>>724127903Wait? Bigbird is a troon?Fucking hell...
>>724129363i thought he was just a homo
>>724111327There's nothing old school about OSRS.
>>724129363He's spouting shit, Arma's just gay.
>>724130126>>724129569>he's just a faggot, not a turbo faggot
I'm resubbing if maplestory classic doesn't release today, last I played my ironman was getting filtered by cg.
im so rich in this game its crazy i just merch on it
>final vampyre quest still not out yet because of sailingIts been 5 years
>>724080258disappointment>>724080370>>724086107sameshill>>724081829this
>>724126706>Roughly 55 quests in a row are all shitGrim. I wanted to check out the desert quests too, so it's too bad those are also shit. Though if they are like the necro and fort quests(though admittedly I did barely any of those questlines during the league) with their garbage 'so quirky' writing, then I doubt I'm missing much.
>>724083097Elin arguably
>>724130516Maplestory classic probably 2026
>>724124820Not that anon, but I've always thought Jad is fucking shit. Same with the Inferno. Just a bunch of nothing in between something more engaging, with the difficulty coming from how much the mind numbing tedium can wear you down in the hopes that it kills your brain activity.
>>724127339>your entry level basic bitch raiding gear set will cost you about 300mYou do NOT need 300m in gear to start doing entry-level raids, especially if you have people to carry you. You can do ToA 150s with literally just Moons gear and other basic t70/75 ironman shit, if you're a main you can get a ton of big upgrades like the trident and rings for <10m.Raids probably aren't worth doing until you have better-than-budget gear (except maybe for Fang/Lightbearer) but there's plenty of other rungs to be climbing on the bossing ladder to get to that point
I really want to play uim but I know my wagie ass can't even get quest cape in a year
>>724111525no. 60s.most casuals get burnt out in the late 30s.
my friends autistically play this game, can I get into it if I don't like all the mouse clicking shit? is there shit to do as a f2p or do I need to pay up?
How hard would Yama or Doom be on mobile?
>>724131204Varlamore has been great but I am looking forward to them circling back around to continuing/finishing old quest lines like they were doing before>Vampire finale>Pirate and Penguin continuation (teased in the blog today)>Menaphos (finally added to the map with Varlamore part 3, will be visible with Sailing)>OSRS version of The Chosen Commander and Ritual of the Mahjarrat
i have never felt like a game was deliberately trying to rob me of my time on earth more than osrs
>>724080258Wait...it's not called Run Escape?
>>724133724please respond. I'd be cool to play with him but I'm not sure how to get into this game
I really like OSRS but feel like the exponential xp requirements become too much at higher levels. My character has 87 strength with 4mil xp total and to get to 99 i am still 9 mil xp short. that will take me likely a few hundred hours to reach if i want to.
>>724080258the idea that all progress is permanent and the game is full of soul will let you play it unironically for years
>>724134750>all progress is permanentnah it'll shut down, only a matter if time
>>724134710>likely a few hundred hours to reach if i want toI've afked an account from 80/85/80 melee and 92 range all to 99 in the last month just afking at crab while I do other things. You should be leveling combat through slayer anyway.
>>724133724>>724134663You don't need to do autistic clicking until endgame stuff like raids which would be literally 1000 hours in, don't worry about itF2P is like 5% of the game, basically a demo. As a new player it's a pretty decent introduction to the game and can be fun to at least do all the F2P quests to try out the game, beating Dragon Slayer is rite of passage and a genuine accomplishment.Beyond that though yes, the vast majority of the game is members only. You should try F2P and see if you can get into it, but you will be really limited on how much you can do with your buddy until you progress to members.
>>724134087I hope they finish the gnome questline and do their own version of the final slug quest.
>>724080258A waste of time if you're not nostalgic for it
>>724114229This is only because the WoW are like crack addicts about their sense of attachment to the fictional lore of WoW and "sense of community" they've build over the years. Which is to say, fuck all.
Does anyone actually enjoy OSRS pvp? It seems way too unbalanced in things like castle wars where if you wear non-dragon armor you will be permanently frozen in place by ancient magic until death. My only fun I have had with it is using a poisoned abyssal dagger and killing people at the zamorak temple in the wilderness.
>>724136015its flawed because its only fun enough when you get a reward so its only fun if you are one of the best
>>724080258MMO cookie clicker.
>>724136015I only enjoy pvp in free to play. Members has too much cancer>voidwaker (I quit PVP on rs3 pre-eoc when Korasi came out, then it happened again in osrs)>30s freezes>Vengeance>getting stacked out in 1 tick (rare but does happen)>having to eat the instant your HP falls under 70 or someone will just spec you outIn free to play you can just buy like 5 full rune sets + scim + 2h for a mil and spend several hours whacking 28s on people.
>>724083097OSRS, as soon as they released Zulrah, went right back to the RS3 design philosophy whose downfall was that they copied the WoW design philosophy. Immediately, bosses drops turn into money generators which drop massive amounts of noted resources, undermining 2/3 of the skills in the game. Before this, bosses used to COST money to kill until you get the rare drop.There are no developers who actually worked on Runescape back in the day left, everyone on the OSRS team was from the RS3 team, which is apparent in how they can't get the art style right and the dialogue in quests include stale Reddit memes.
>>724136426are people actually pvping in f2p?
>>724136714They are, but pretty much only in set locations on pvp/wilderness worlds. The hotspots are north of Edgeville for pures and Lumbridge church for high levels. Ferox Enclave sees some use too for high levels but I have way better luck finding fights in Lumbridge.
>>724080258I put 666 hours into it this year. Played for the first time since like 2003, as ironman. I got to around lv 70 everything, most of the time you'll be looking at requirements to do something. I avoided all long grinds as much as possible, just doing quests for exp optimally. The quests are dialogue are fun, the older quests are retarded because they're designed just as annoying fetch quests with very limited inventory space. Newer quests are pretty cool. Combat stats dont really mean anything anymore because of the crab, which is kinda sad. Gear progression is cool too. Even if you're not going to grind out shit, things take a very long time to do. You'll log in and set up like a goal "today I will get this unlock/item" and thats all you have time for that day.
>>724136120dunno how you're supposed to learn pvp when having a negative k/d ratio sends you broke
>>724126929why the hell are you forcing yourself to enjoy it?most play for nostalgia reasons
>Need to get 81 agilityI want to die, this is by far the worst skill in the game. Even pre GOTR you could at least stop runecrafting at like 60.
>>724139667Go do Sepulchre.
Draynor Manor and village are my favorite places in the game
>>724139716But everybody says its ass until 92
>>724080370>probably the best mmo on the market today.then the bar is really low for MMOs nowadays
>>724139761if you want to continue doing rooftops be my guest, but if you want to mix things up with a different skilling method that's what sepulchre is there for
tediously long grinds and burn out
>>724139771every other mmo on the market is just a shitty ARPG with bad itemization and boring classes. OSRS is a lot closer to what the genre used to be about - going to another place to exist within for an indefinite period of time. nothing will ever beat the early 2000s in terms of socializing with randoms online and getting lost in a fantasy world, but these days nobody is even trying
I'm gettin absolutely filtered at CG. I'm going to pack my bottomless compost bucket and blow up the GE
>>724139814I'm kind of priced in to them because I used every boost in the game on agility so I still only have 2 pieces of graceful.
Rate my character
I REFUSE to play runescape if I cant install a client that autofarms for meDont even come at me with that ''YOU KILLING THE ECONOMY AND GAME'' bullshit at me
>>724126929I like to check my boss kc in the hiscores on RL and do bosses that I have no rank in. You'll maybe find some you enjoy
>>724080258Hours of edging with no release. You spend weeks thinking about how cool getting 99 in a skill will feel. Then you get it and feel nothing. But you keep playing because you are addicted and actually believe the next 99 will make you feel something. You pick a harder skill like slayer. Spend 2 months slaying 10 hours a day. Finally get 99 and still feel nothing. It is probably the most depressing game I have ever played in my life and I wasted thousands of hours on it that I could have spent outdoors learning valuable skills
>>724140886>I could have spent outdoors learning valuable skillslollmfao
>>724141325You laugh at me but when the world is on fire and the barbarians are at the gate, you will come to me for help.