Video Games are art. Period. All of them. Even corporate slop. Slop is art I don't LIKE, it's art that offends me, it's art that represents corporate greed and narcissism far more than the human spirit or to communicate anything more meaningful than "give me money" but it's art.Becoming a mature adult means acknowledging and accepting all of this. The line of Video Games are toys -> toys are for children -> video games are for childrenis sophomoric, short-sighted, and frankly just plain idiotic and comes from a place of ego wanting to fit in with other people rather than any kind of genuinely held meaningful belief or valueif this revelation upsets you I suggest you actually sit down and think about it for a bit sincerely
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>>724136348It's morevideo games are toys -> toys aren't art you sound upset that vidya is not art when it really doesn't matter
>stealing>heaven
Go play peripeteia or whatever you pretentious troons play. Games aren't art and every developer worth their shit knows this. Even fucking Miyamoto said as much.
>>724136969>roman>heaven
>>724136348Okay then all products are art and art is meaningless. Next issue.
>>724136969jesus forgave the criminal that was dying next to him, granting him heaven
>>724137097>art is meaninglessYes.Art is anything artificial. Nothing more, nothing less. People putting arbitrary definitions or requisites are insecure braindead motherfuckers trying to put their favorite thing on a pedastal that does not exist.
>>724137114>a used car salesman made one more deal on his deathbedIs how insane Christfags are. Imagine the hubris of taking credit for the existence of all creation, with absolutely nothing to back up that claim but some ancient mongo stories.
>>724137163Okay Moshe. Your can of Campbells soop is definitely going to stand the test of time like Shakespeare no doubt. An idiot by any other name would be just as retarded>A ROSE IS A ROSE IS A ROSE
>>724137307repent and all is forgivenmurder, brutalize, rape and traumatize somebody for life? repent and god and jesus will forgive youthe loved ones of the victims want to see you hang? who cares. god forgave you.
>>724137407>>724137163>>724137097words like "kino" and "slop" exist for a reasondenying that things are art is just weird gatekeeping and it's a bad look
>>724137407>Your can of Campbells soop is definitely going to stand the test of time like Shakespeare no doubtWorked for Andy Warhol. Put a urinal in an art museum while you're at it. Art is worthless as a word. Creating art is meaningless as an act. You could be painting the sistine chapel or taking a dump on the democrats logo. Both are valid.
>>724137580>denying that things are artEverything man made is art. Art is a worthless description, no different from describing a person as a carbon based lifeform.
>>724137097>art is a productThe product and art piece are two dinstinct items. For example, cinema is art and movies are a product. Litterature is art, and a book is a product sold at a library. Video games don't really separate the two terms, but there's no reason why it would be different.Somehow /v/ tries to delude themselves into thinking the latest Hollywood shlock is art but Bong Bing Wahoo isn't. Probably some retarded belief that art is political or some other PTSD this board picked up from a decade ago, but if anything art is more immune to that kind of considerations. Art exist for itself, a product has to respond to cultural needs and insisting on video games being solely a product is just inviting any retard to push politics into games.
>>724138094is the ceiling of the sistine chapel a product for being commissioned? mikey didn't paint it for art's sake
>>724136348I don't think the people making some corporate mandated trend chasing game feel they're making artThey are putting in the effort. They are not putting in the vision. It isn't an expression of anything but what the shareholders thought would sell.
>>724138341Commissioned or not, the art piece exist even if the commission exist. Again, two distinct items.Every painting is art, you can't just say this painting is art and the other isn't because of context. Or else painting as a whole isn't art.
>>724138392things like that take lots of people and they can't all just be mindless soulless dronessurely at least one 3D modeler or voice actor on the team must believe they're making something worthwhile
>>724136348No! Video games combine too many systems and types of media inside them. Elements of them can be art, but not the entire thing. Also art needs to be self-contained. You do not have to read a painter biography to appreciate his paintings. You could be completely ignorant about him, the historical art period he was active in and a lot more, you could still appreciate his paintings. Video games on the other hand are not self-contained. Their stories can be butchered even retroactively. There is no equivalent to the artist, who is a master and creator of his own paintings, in the video game world. Video games can be completely divorced from the people, who created them. Most people recognize a corporate entity called "the video game company" as the game's creator, not any genius individuals. And for the most famous of these individual genius creators we don't even know, if it's just an oversized ego or a marketing tool. Only lead indie developers can be reliably said to actually be responsible for their game.So video game music can be art, CG, official artwork, certain in-game scenes, but the entire game in it's entirety? No. I am not saying it's theoretically impossible, but it's so improbable, it will probably never happen. And before you say "story" too, the big story games are often so ludo-narratively divorced from their game, they are probably the worst example of a game being art, because the story clashes so much with how the game works. Like many games allow you to just plaster an entire camp with mines and zoom in on the faction's leader head and only turn hostile, not if the bullet is travelling to kill him, not once you shoot, but only once you hit and kill one of them.
VIDEO GAMESARE ART
i stand with OP
>>724140750iwtbtg is peak sadomasochistic art
>>724136348>game is art so it's okay for games to be politicalAnyone who says this shit forgets one little detail- almost everyone HATES political art. But they think gamers are out of touch with other media and try to peddle it as normal.
>>724141065>almost everyone HATES political art
>>724136348Some games are art, most of them are just products. Some games are like a mass produced plastic bowl while others are more like a sculpture made by an artist.
>>724136348>art
>>724139505You're mixing up a bunch of concepts. An art form isn't art because it sticks to one "concept" or "system", it's because it has a specificity.>cinema combines theatre, music, painting and sculpture? Can't be art then!>a band is playing during this stage play? Guess theatre is no longer art!Video games can be art because it has its specificity, game design (don't bring board games into this, same name but different rules entirely). It's a similar case wih the cinema and cinematography. "Video game music" doesn't make video game art, it makes music art. Video games would need to be an art form by itself to be art.>And before you say "story" too, the big story games are often so ludo-narratively divorced from their game, they are probably the worst example of a game being art, because the story clashes so much with how the game worksMost insane claim of the post. Stories in games exist because of how the game is structured, because of game design. If the story has to abide by the rules of its art form, just like stories aren't structured in the same way in a movie or a stage play, it's even more proof video games are art.
>>724136940Toys are also art
>>724143852this
>>724139505Your standards are arbitrary and seem designed specifically to exclude video games from being art for no other reason than just because
