>shit writing>0 memorable characters>boring repetitive quests>boring dialogues>bad combat>loading screensBut one was goated while the other flopped. Why is that?
because one was full of false promises
>>724139798But enough about Dark Souls and Elden Ring
One came out and started the open world meme.One came out after everyone had long since grown tired of the open world meme.Skyrim was most normalfags first ever RPG. They thought it was amazing because their only point of comparison was a Call of Duty campaign.
>>724139951>normies are tired of the open world memekek not true at all
>>724139798skyrim was widely derided at release for being dumbed down even more than oblivion
>>724139798Skyrim>Fantasy kino>Kino lore>Comfy world>Soule music>Big open-world with no loading screens until you have to enter an interiorStarfield>Sci-fi cringe>Space cringe>Space flight>Uncomfy world>Bland setting with grit or teeth (that "strip" club is a prime example)>Procgen planets>Human enemies only>Space shit>Inon Zur slop for music
>>724139798That's what I've been saying. If Bethesdrones could gobble up all those other trashy slop games then why did they suddenly draw the line at Starfield in such dramatic fashion? Every Bethesda game in the past 23 years was bad. I don't understand it.
>>724139798No aliens, no melee, no psionics everywhere etcStarfield setting is intentionally shit and boring There is completely nothing for the 4 playerbases of TES games in Saarfield. Nothing for lore schizos, nothing for coomers to coom to, nothing for normalfags to be amazed by, nothing to even modSetting alone utterly ruined it. Everything else doesn't matter at all. Game could be identical in terms of mechanics, design etc but if it was a full blown Space Opera instead of the Interstellar wannabee, it would constantly top steam charts and sell millions
>>724141318Skyrim's lore was absolute shit full of lore rape and retarded writing but Skyrimtards will never acknowledge this because they're not actual TES fans and Skyrim is the only entry they've played.
>>724141560memeIt's a full blown fantasy with various races and political factions, gods, magic etc
>>724141612You're brain dead
>>724141718no u
>>724139798Skyrim is crowded with shit to find and do, you can't throw a rock without stumbling into somethingMeanwhile Starfield is huge and empty, filled with repetitive boring proc gen garbage between way too many loading screens
>>724139798>one was goated
I kinda feel like playing some vanilla bethesda slopShould I play skyrim or fallout 4?
>>724141560>boot up elder scrolls 1>die to the first rat in the dungeon>boot up fallout 1>kill the rats but die to radscorpion random encounterFallout 1 is a better game than elder scrolls 1, but old rpgs have dogshit controls.
>>724141560>muh nordic pantheon>muh skywhales>muh shoutsGet over it. All three 'modern' TES games are good but flawed in their own ways.
>>724139951>One came out and started the open world meme.I fail to see Ultima on OP's pic
>>724142040>nooooooo muh niche game did it first, that means that is what made it popular
>>724142093This "niche game" directly or indirectly influenced basically every single successful fantasy open world franchise, including TES. The last open world game that pioneered any significant trend was GTA3.
>>724139798I can turn Skyrim into a great erotic and f*cking game, with some dungeon delving. Starfield requires me to enjoy spaceship combat, not sure how I feel about that yet. The FPS part seems pretty OK.
>>724141560Skyrim was less lorerapey than oblivion. Really the main issue was the setting you actually see being more boring than it could have been
>>724142040Zoomies don't know about such things. You can tell with how he thinks Skyrim was most normalfags (aka, his) first rpg.
>>724139798Correct.Bethesda fags are baffling
>>724139798i thought skyrim looked pretty in 2012, especially the water
>>724139798Todd doesn't see the appeal of whimsy, novelty, and humor.This was fine with Skyrim because he had other people to bounce off of and others working on their own pockets of the game.But for Starfield, all the other members of leadership took the unlimited Microsoft money and fucked off for most of its development and most of the more senior designers jumped ship to ES6 the moment they could, leaving Todd and his yes-men which meant that all the whimsy, novelty, and humor just never was..
Morrowind's main quest is the least fun I've had with any Bethesda game. Who the fuck thought that was a good idea?
>>724139798people just dislike scifi as a setting compared to fantasy, it's just that simple.
>>724145482I prefer scifi, its just that Starfield is a very dull scifi setting with a lot of things that seem juvenile and poorly thought out. But then again I think the same of Skyrim in fantasy terms. And the Fallout games. The one good thing about Bethesda games was the immersiveness, the illusion of a lived in world with emergent gameplay. Starfield didn't even have that.
>>724139798Bethesda used to grow their playerbase exponentially with each new game, which considering they were putting out new games relatively frequently more then made up for any drops in quality. Your first Bethesda game would be great, the next one still good but missing things, the one after mediocre and everything following it shit.Skyrim was shit to the couple hundred thousand Arena/Daggerfall fans, mediocre to us few million Morrowind fans, still good to more millions of Oblivion/Fallout 3 fans and great to the tens of millions of normies and kids who started with it.But the growth in playerbase seriously slowed down after Fallout 4. Starfield didn't have a playerbase that was 90% first-time RPG, open world or even Bethesda game players. There was a lot more to compare it to.
Skyrim is a true classic, beloved by people across the globe. Morrowtrannies can go kill themselves.
>much settingthen why ME is one of the best games ever? as long as the plot is good people don't care about setting
>>724139798>Starfield flopped, so maybe Bethesda’s earlier hits were just luck?No. What Skyrim pulled off on a 512 MB console was straight-up sorcery. Sure, two years later the 8th gen dropped and games like The Witcher 3 blew up RPG writing to a new level, so Skyrim aged fast. But the fact that, fourteen years later, people still talk about it as the open-world template? That’s proof it wasn’t luck.
>>724147393>Mass Effect>Best game everlol. It was a cinematic, linear, 3rd person shooter, that's why. If it was an open-world, it'd be like the Mako sections of ME1, the most hated parts of that game.
>>724140182Nope. Only a handful of contrarians on /v/ had this opinion.
>>724139798I remember Uthgerd
