>Reddit overwhelmingly support the Maëlle ending Why? It doesn't make any sense.
I support the Maelle ending because I hate Verso
Undiagnosed sociopaths with protagonist syndrome. Who else do you think longs to become a reddit moderator?
The only one who LE SUFFERS in her ending is Verso, and his suffering is playing le piano and banging a hot hapa.
Maelle is emotional ending, Verso is logical. Reddit is full of "women"
>>724142619Reddit doesn't understand they can't have things both ways>painted people lives are just as valuableor>be with your friends you went on a journey withYou can't have both and retards on reddit think they can so choose here because they don't understand the value of life or basic humanity really just feel good moments.
>>724142619>Women, bluepill, muh feelingsMaelle>Men, redpill, family, responsibilityVerso
>>724142619>Reddit overwhelmingly support the Maëlle endingLOL no they don't.
Versotards pushing their it's like le sims bro theory to the point the actual writers had to tell them they're wrong made me a maellefag
Maelle is the feminine ending, Verso is the masculine ending. Le Clair Obscure.
>>724142917His suffering is Verso's soul being forced to witness his beloved sister slowly kill herself, and all for nothing.
>>724143287>can copy paste clone and edit them however you like>not like the Sims
It's the fantasyland escapist ending
>>724143287>Versotards--Uh-oh, someone's mad (and wrong). Whether you perceive them as real people is a non-factor because they all died at the end of Act 2, anyway. Long before the ending choice.Everyone Alicia brings back are in her memory, who act and think how she wants.
>>724143340>No, you don't understand, both endings are bad. Even though one is optimistic and beautiful and the other gloomy and depressing they're both bad.
>>724142619>Reddit overwhelmingly support the Maëlle ending How do you know that? Are you a redditor or just lying because "I don't like = reddit/indian/jew/tranny/etc."?
>>724143195They do it's all about >Renoir did le genocide >He's a control freak and a bad person. He reminds me of my dad :(>I hate Verso
>>724143554This. Crazy ironic that Maelletards don't clue into this and recognize the biggest tragic moment of the game when the dad kills them all. All the characters dying is a tragedy and Maelle fags are just like lol whatever who cares just make a copy
>>724142619What doesn't make sense>You actually achieve some degree what you were trying to do for a whole game>V*rso suffers>R*noir suffers>Higher probability that painters will successfully mop up D*ssendresIt's not much, but its definitely orders of magnitude better than the ending where the world that you were trying to save is destroyed, and people responsible for its suffering and misery get away with everything.
The choice at the end was the first time waifufaggotry was used to great narrative effect. In the moment I knew without a doubt Verso was right, but I wanted to side with her entirely because I wanted to fuck her cute ass. It taught me just how easily we can choose to do 100% the wrong thing just to please women.
>>724143683Its because the entire impetus for supporting Maelle has jackshit to do with her, it has to do with the people of Lumiere.The same people we saw and engaged with for like an out max.So they don't actually care about Lumiere, they care abut their idea of Lumiere. and in that there is no emotional difference between a copy and the original.
>>724143681LOL no they're not.
>>724142619>Why? It doesn't make any sense.Why the fuck would I ever want to be out and about in the """real world""" if I could be a God in my own, much more pleasant and interesting world? What's so good about it? Normiecattle are a disease.
>>724142619Maelle is the better ending since Gustave lives
>>724142619>RedditPussy whipped scum
>>724144117He doesn't. He's recreated. Which is deeply wrong if you think about it for more than a few seconds.
I picked Maelle ending. I don't give a flying fuck about Verso or his shit family.
>>724144117No he doesn't. She fills Lumiere with cheap imitations. Remember she was the least skilled painter in the family to the point she was considered a failure. They are empty husks. Look at Lune and Sciel. They were recreations made to fight because Maelle only knew of them as they were on the expedition. When the expedition is over they are blanks. You really think Lune would sit there emotionless as Verso is forced to live a purgatory without release?Maelles ending is for scoiopaths who dont understand empathy or how other peoples emotions function. Just a solitary person alone in a theme park of animatronics shaped like people.
>>724144386You don't know that. You're only guessing based on what you want to think.
Versochads have always been kings.
>>724144221Sciel's husband being resurrected is even worse considering he was already dead for years and his death had nothing to the Painters at all. Will Maelle just keep reviving anyone who dies now no matter the cause?
Versofags be like "this blatant metaphor for a piece of you is in every art you make is actually a real person"
A FF7 gooner thread died for this videogame discussion, I hope you're all happy.
Verso killed everyone.Maelle saved everyone.If you found out there was a higher reality than this one, and in that reality you were a horribly disfigured mute, would you kys and live that life? Maelle will die one day regardless, why not be happy even if it's short?
>>724144876Shes 100% schizomaxxing and you can tell Renoir knows she is too far gone but its kill her now and probably destroy the family or leave her and just hope and pray but never expect her to leave and try and salvage what he has left at home.
>>724144885esl moment
>>724144876People make up huge bulllshit theories about details like this, but I feel like devs just stopped giving a fuck at that point. Both ending sequences feel very low effort.
>>724142619I pick the Maelle ending purely out of spite for Verso. I don't care what happens as long as that faggot is miserable.
People that pick and degend Maelles horrific ending are genuine sociopaths or high functioning autistic and do not have the capacity to understand why its a living hell.
>>724145206I would face reality over toying with people's lives. Sometimes oblivion is better than living in the mercy of dysfunctional family, people of Lumiere never had real autonomy
>>724143579>one ending is black and white so it's bad :(>the other ending is in color so it's good! :)The sheer depths of versofag analysis, they should write video essays
>>724144386>They are empty husks. Look at Lune and Sciel. They were recreations made to fight because Maelle only knew of them as they were on the expedition.And that's why the conclusion to both of their romances and highly emotionally charged story arcs that Maelle had little to no knowledge of is after she brings them back
>>724145552>He thinks the romances are canon.Yeah bro just like how Simon shows up to stop you before the ending. Oh wait.
>>724142619Fake game for w*men and trannies to cry to
>>724145768You sound like a woman on her period, ironic.
>>724145416Enjoying life and sharing the will to live is not "toying with people's lives" even if it's a facade. Just as you have no ability to discern between what's real and fake, the painted people will live their lives to the fullest, even if it's all under Maelle's control, this created world will bring her happiness for however many years she lives.
>>724145415It's a living hell for V*rso and V*rso only. And that's a good thing.
>>724142619What do you expect. They're nerds. Redditors are by and large the lowest of the low.Of course they see no problem being locked in a fake reality(read: video game) for all eternity. Being addicted to a fake dream. Redditors don't touch grass.
>Get told the game is vague pretentious nonsense>It never stops beating you over the head with the message and themesAre people just retarded or something?
>>724145704>if it contradicts my headcanon it's not real!Amazing.
>>724146093So which was the canon romance bro?
>>724142619Why are you browsing reddit?
>>724146113
>>724146167>no answeri accept your concession of defeat with dignity and grace.
>>724142917only if you don't think about the implied repercussions
>>724146307Thats the thing i think smoothminds dont get. Maelle is forcing a painted person to do things against their will. Are Lune and Sciel oddly calm about it because they dared to speak up and as the only Painter left with complete control Maelle decided to repaint them to not question her "for their own good"?Its an ending where a traumatised teenage girl is made the sole god of a world and is clearly forcing her will on people. Anyone who cannot read what that implies is some form of illiterate.
>>724146426level 1 slime determinist take.
>>724146167What does "yagorauey" even mean? Sounds like "fakinaway" from Gintama.>>724146294I think Lune was his answer. It does make sense, because no matter what you do, Sciel finds out her husband can be brought back and she still loves him.I wouldn't say "canon" myself, but Lune does feel "more canon" at least.
>>724142619Maybe some people don't think the girl you've been playing for the entire game should be subject to a lifetime of being a crippled living weapon for her parents to use.
>>724146426>Maelle is forcing a painted person to do things against their will.It is also said earlier in the game, that she is not supposed to be capable of that, no one except Clea should be able to do that.With such a basic contradiction, this ending is low effort as shit, devs clearly cared about much less than tards still discussing it on the internet.
>>724146664She can get out and create her own canvas instead of clinging to the one created by her brother, while torturing his piece of soul left inside
>yeah they were all brought back to life but it's not LE SAME so we need to kill them twice source: my foreskingenocidal apologists grasping at straws
>>724146924No other canvas will allow her to have decades-long passionate sex with her deceased brother except this one.
>>724146967>yeah they were all brought back to lifeFalse.
I chose the Verso ending
>>724142619t. Verso
Hilarious how Versofags are just sad moralfags.
>>724142619I didn't want to betray Lune again
It does matter whether the people of Lumiere have been truly brought back (they have, it's established as a possibility before, we have no reason to believe they're somehow fake), but even if they were, that still leaves the Gestrals. They don't deserve to get genocided either.
>>724142619Literally every poll I've seen, on every website, heavily leans Verso. Maybe Maellefags just like to argue about it more
>>724146967Oh aliciafags trying the moral high ground again What about subjecting a child soul, your brother (the real piece of Verso soul) to uncountable years of torturous existence, just to keep painting the world you larp in? Stop pretending that Alicia gave a fuck about those people because all of them will vanish too in like 40 years after Alicia died of painter retardation, she just wants to extend her larp section instead of actually saving anyone
>>724147275The world simply going to die because Verso died, that is just nature, not genocide
>>724147193Hilarious how a Maellefag was immediately proven wrong by other Maellefags
>>724144117Nigga was never alive at all
>>724143368by that logic real life would be like the sims to everyone who believes in a god (80% of the world population)total retard logic
>>724147275>They don't deserve to get genocided eitherBut the entire point is that it's inevitable regardless. The nanosecond Maelle dies in the canvas Renoir is going to burn it, the game tells you this outright
>>724147608Lets call them Aliciafag Maelle is clearly a different person, she just wanted to be with her brother and then get revenge for him Only Alicia pretends to care about Lumie because muh feelings
>>724147768By the same logic we shouldn't treat your cancer, because you're going to die regardless. What does it matter if it happens a few decades later?
>>724147389Yep, they don't move on.Just like her.
>>724145206>The only way to be happy is that nne surrounded by people and things who don't made up that fight my needs and wants perfectly There's no convincing me that maellefags aren't sociopaths.
>>724142619Because Reddit people live in a fantasy world unable to face reality. Ofcourse they think the Maelle ending is better
I started the game trying to save Lumiere. I ended the game trying to save Lumiere. One ending destroys Lumiere, so of course I chose the other one.
>>724147930The alternative is getting raped in a fire and living a shitty life with your parents hating and using you. The canvas is literally an endless frontier of creation and possibilities, who would want to choose life as a cripple vs paradise?
>>724145206Pain.Your.Own.CanvasAnd hop out for a few days in between so you wont die of painter aids
>>724148096>>724148104
>>724147815Anon everyone other than Verso, Lune and Sciel are already dead by the finale (and Verso wants to die anyway). This means Maelle created a whole city of people while actively knowing that they're going to die in a decade or two anyway, she's the one giving them the cancer in the first place.
>>724148051both endings destroys lumiere, one just delays it in a fantasy prison and only one ending has maelle becoming a crackhead and dead
>>724147752>everyone who believes in a god>total retard logicYes
>>724148051There is no saving for LumiereAlica already showed signs of painter aids and they may last for a few years more
>>724148104I WANT painter AIDS. Because I'm going to spend time with my REAL family in lumiere. And have sex with my brother.
>>724148168Again you ignore the Gestrals.
are the writers a meta commentary about the game devs / writers themselves and the game being in a painting inside a book or are they actually a thing in the "real" world of the game?
>>724148051Imagine trying to brag that you are an NPC who makes up his mind in 5 minutes and then is unable to change his mind when additional information comes to light
>>724148096At the cost of torturing the soul of your dead brother and completely destroying your family for good just so you can live in a dream land? Again, sociopath shit.
>>724142990It's the opposite. Those who are well read on utilitarian and consequentialist ethics, as well as philosophy of mind pick Maelle's ending. Emotional cucks with "but those are painted people!" (like substrate is what defines mind) or "escapism bad!" pick Verso's ending.
>>724148259The additional information is trying to trick you into destroying Lumiere. Don't be mad just because I didn't fall for it.
>>724147439>What about subjecting a child soul, your brother (the real piece of Verso soul) to uncountable years of torturous existence, just to keep painting the world you larp in? The CPU of the painting is not a real person. There would be a piece of every painter in every painting they ever painted. You are an idiot. Imagine being this heavily invested into such a dumb story that you project this hard.
>>724146426Gustave too. Is he the real Gustave or did Alicia "tweak" him when bringing him back. I don't see the real Gustave letting her kill herself if he knew about the real world, and I also doubt Lune or Sciel wouldn't have told him
>>724148279Erm he's already a serial liar and murderer, literally killed all of expedition 0, his gf Julia and who knows how many others. Sounds like whatever suffering he gets he has coming to him.
>>724148172Could be decades of in-canvas time.What a dumb argument: "you die now, or you die in ten years. Choose! But those are the same!"Are you a retard?
>>724148249Esquie and Monocco are fine with Verso's choice. Probably because they were painted by him and not by Aline like the people from Lumiere. The Gestrals are probably fine with it too.
>>724148352Lmao so now Aliciafag now spins the card ‘not real person’ on Verso soul then whine when people said the painted people arent real?
>>724148256Pretty sure the devs just made a fun video game and its' only Versofags who care this much
>>724148249You're implying Maelle (or the game for that matter) gives a fuck about the gestrals beyond Momoco. Even then the Gestrals are shown to be incredibly accepting of their deaths during the story
>>724148256No. It's to suggest that the Writers exist a layer above the "real" Painters, who exist a layer above the canvas. It further proves that Verso fags have no idea what reality is and are desperately muh reality and muh BASEDENCE coping.
>>724148352The painted are not real people, because they are powered by the CPU of he painting.
>>724148404No that anon is talking about the soul of child Verso, who clearly also wanted to move on instead of painting for some crack head
>>724142619Whiny manchildren who hate their parents make up a considerable amount of predditors.
>>724148462Look at you and how emotional you are you fucking girl. The CPU doesn't have a life. He doesn't have friends, he doesn't age, he doesn't do anything but keep the computer going. He's nothing like the people of Lumiere. I think the story is stupid and don't really care for act 3 at all. You are just an idiot.
If the writing was bad you wouldn't see /v/ actually debate it like this. Nobody debates the narrative of Borderlands for example.Face it /v/: a good videogame happened and made you care like its the 90's again and you don't know how to process these feelings anymore.
>>724148509Yeah, they are Verso creation, when he died they also accepted that fate
>>724148518Why the fuck would the writers firebomb the dessandres, and how would Clea be waging war against higher order beings? This is the kind of insane headcanon you need to justify siding with a 32 year old womanchild.
>>724146426Both endings have major flaws.Verso's ending made me feel like everything i did was really shallow, i'm glad things seem to get better for the dessendres, it does "feel" like the canon ending because of how things end up and could make more sense from a continuation standpoint. But that's really it? lune and sciel are just gone and i'm supposed to just think of it as a necessary sacrifice and give no further thought to what they might have wanted because i'm simultaneously supposed to believe that it wouldn't matter because they weren't "real"? how am i supposed to feel like it was a sacrifice while at the same time thinking they didn't truly matter? and if they were supposed to matter but verso had to make that "impossible choice" for them, what happened to the entire storyline of alicia with it ending on the note of maelle "letting her make her own choice"? It shoots itself in the foot and makes the games story feel very hollow because of it.In maelle's ending the same problems exist only they're magnified by how its now a perpetual cycle and the implied toxic attachment she has to the canvas can possibly kill her, if not also her mom, but it will certainly at least further degrade and destroy the dessendre's all to allow her an unknown amount of time, perhaps forever, to pretend nothing is wrong while everything is getting progressively worse. Its nice that gustave is back, its nice that everyone lives and the canvas didn't get destroyed so theres a sentimental piece of verso still in the mansion, its good that the world i spent so much time in doesn't just disappear and all the expeditions and all the fighting really meant saving it and *maybe* maelle and aline will be okay, but its a maybe in this ending at best.Its already hard enough to believe all these mentioned people would simply allow maelle to keep doing it since verso surely would tell them how its draining her, or they should be able to put it together after what they saw of Aline.
>>724148538He doesn't have a face so I can't empathize with his suffering. Don't care, get raped. Gonna play in my canvas until i die.
>>724148518>It's to suggest that the Writers exist a layer above the "real" PaintersThat is bullshit
>>724148564The people of Lumiere are IN THE COMPUTER but somehow are more people than the demiurge that allows them to think and move?
Verso ending is for people that have good lives and want to force everyone to live the way they do and touch grass even if society doesn't want them. Maelle ending is for people that have shit lives IRL and want to retreat to a better place where they can be themselves.
>>724148256I think it's just because Writing is just another art form they could use as an enemy faction and that they're real. But if you really wanted to get weird with it, you could posit that they're representative of the trope of writers enjoying making their OCs suffer
>>724142619i knew it was "wrong", obviously it was time to stop painting, but as the player the gameworld you experienced was inside the painting, the characters you know and journeyed with are inside the painting. i couldnt bring myself to just erase all of that, for a world which i knew next to nothing about.
>>724148404You're counting painties as real people again.
>>724148615It's like the characters of a novel complaining about bad things happening to them; it's trite and useless, the Writers are the god of their world and will decide their fortune and tragedy. Clea "fighting back" is a cope, similar to your reply.
>>724142619>NO YOU HAVE TO LET YOURSELF, YOUR FRIENDS ,YOUR FAMILY AND THE PEOPLE YOU GROWTH WITH TO BE GENOCIDE FOR THE SAKE OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE FROM YOUR LITTLE COMMUNITY OR YOU ARE LE BAD!kek, Maelle was an Eren who actually won
>>724148435no, you die in ten years but are confined to whims of a grief stricken crack addictyou aren't allowed to live your life, you are only made to please her, no frowning, no sadness, only smiles and no death
>>724148723Cool headcanon, completely and utterly absurd though.
>>724148567People debated Yanny or Laurel, and other retarded shit (while it clearly was "Laurel"). The same way here, the only choice a normal person would make, is picking Verso's ending.
>>724148638The tagline of the game is "for those who come after". The only one thinking about that is Verso. Even after everyone knows its just a canvas and not real. Maelle doesn't care about anything but herself. She is the anti Gustav.
>>724148752They're already dead you know?
>No you see, the mass murderer was the good guy all along/v/ always ALWAYS chooses to side with villains. You losers are so easily manipulated. It's why you love that stupid gay tier list with hard to disagree at the top.
>>724148837The mass murderer can also just make all the lives he took wherever he wants.
>>724142619The thumbnail made me think this was an elden ring thread, I was like who the fuck are Maelle and Verso.
>>724148764Any other reading of the Writers is totally gay and boring. If the crux of the story is a choice between lower and higher realities, the Writers being normal people they're contending against would be fucking retarded.
Versonybros just mad that someone doesn't do what Verso wants. It's that simple. They are literally gay.
>>724148775This, only with verso ending there is hope for the future, even with Alicia fully recovers and create her own canvas, a new generationThe Alicia ending is just a fucking dead end
>>724148837verso was one of the builders of lumiere, he saved more lives than anyoneit wasn't his fault his mother and sister are both crackheads who can't control themselves
>>724148837>Mass murder Of fucking what? What do you call uninstalling a game or deleting a movie from your computer?
>>724148953If they aren't real then why is Verso emotionally fucked up from murdering his lover.
>>724148756That's some head cannon. That would imply some major shifts in Maelle's personality, and there are no indications of that even in the ending cut scene.But even assuming it was the case, I'd prefer living in "The Stepford Wives" universe over death.
>>724148953Visit a holocaust museum.
>>724148901Stories don’t exist to be powerscaling exercises, you retarded teenager. The “crux of the story” doesn’t need to be infinitely recursive. The whole plot of the Dessandres makes no sense if they are against higher order beings. Why would a higher order being need to use Alicia as a pawn to firebomb the mansion? How would Clea do literally anything successfully? You can say “Oh it just is a futile conflict” but at no point does anything even slightly hint that it is futile, and Clea is implied to be doing well. Writers are just another magic artist in the world of magic artists.
I think that the painted people are real. However I also think that it's time to stop painting regardless. If Maelle really cared about the lives of the people in the painting she'd simply make an effort to actually have a healthy relationship with the canvas like she pretended to at the finale.Verso's soul mentions that all he wants is for people to stop fucking around and using his canvas for family infighting, so the only thing she'd absolutely have to give up is Painted Verso
>>724148901There is like 3 lines of dialogue about the writers and even then, they're vague as fuck. Trying to draw a conclusion about them at all from what we're given is retarded no matter what that conclusion is.
I honestly stopped caring about the story shortly after Gustave's funeral. The characters all turn into morons that never question how obvious it is that Verso is lying. It's a fun game, the music and art is fantastic, but only Versofags are dumb enough to be invested in the shit story.
>>724149039it would be head cannon if it wasn't fucking revealed in the endingboth gustav and sciel's husband died of non-gommage related reasons, they were both revived because a little girl doesn't want anyone to be sad, everyone should live the way she wants them to liveyou must all be happy and smiling for this little girl, you must love being a slave and it clearly shows you alicia has aids and will die soon
>>724149020The same reason Aline is fucked up and insane. Because human emotions get tangled by the simulation and you lose yourself. Renoir even states as such.
>>724148953Because in-Universe, those characters are considered real? Just instead of proteins and fats, they are made from magical chroma.
>>724149154>The same reason Aline is fucked up and insane.A person she loved died.hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>724146721It's stated the only Clea can paint over someone elses creation, as we see with painted Clea. However, it's not really explained what exactly painting over someone's creations means. From what we see with pClea, she's been completely transformed by it. It could be that other painters can affect others' creation in more subtle ways. We already know that other painters (including Alicia) can erase the creations of someone else (gommage), so it's not out of the question that she could be controlling them. The ending at least seems to be framed in a way that suggests this. Or maybe the limitation of not being able to paint over someone elses creation only applies when the creator and their chroma is in the painting, and if there's only one painter, they can do anything.
>>724149020Because that's how Alicia, and real Verso before he died, made him to be.
>>724149218Yeah, and that made her sad. Making a fake family drove her insane, to the point she forgot she even made painted verso and thought of him as either real or Renoir’s trick.
>>724149286>>724149292Seems like my extremely simple point went over your brown heads. This is a waste of time.
>>724149159>instead of proteins and fats, they are made from magicHow can you type this and hit post without realizing you're proving my point for me?
>>724148837In the first few weeks of ending discussion there wasn't any of this bullshit about the ressurected painted people being soulless empty unfeeling husks even though lune and sciel have shown they're anything but that, it really is just versofags jumping through increasingly elaborate hoops to justify mass murder.
>>724149143>both gustav and sciel's husband died of non-gommage related reasonsTheir chroma is still around. The only way to bring final death to a painted person, as it was stated in-game, is for them to be killed by a Nevron.
>>724149078The developers of the game prove you wrong, gorilla nigger. Every line of dialogue, every action, every consequence is written and determined by them. If you cannot grasp the connection between the developer's literal writing of the game and the "Writers" being the villain, you are absolutely fucking retarded and irredeemably lost.
>>724149380Your extremely simple point is nonsense. Painted people are painted to act like people. Of course they have the same emotional pitfalls, they are designed to have them.
I simply think both endings are good and bad in their own respective ways and I'm not emotionally tied to either one being the correct decision. I merely had fun and enjoy talking about the game
>>724149380>Make a dumbass argument >Instantly get exposed for it >"Uhhhh, you're brown and I'm leaving"k bye
>>724148317>>>/reddit/
>>724149451Alright and who did the art? Higher order painters? What about the dialogue? Are the Voice Actors another faction? Programmers? What are the Dessandres’ stance on the mocap actor faction?
>>724142619e33 is a faggot game made by talentless faggots for tasteless faggots
>>724149561You should love it then.
>>724142619wait you actually played the reddit game? don't tell me you paid for it? lmao just transition already if you enjoyed this
>>724149521Swissfag detected
>>724142619>face reality and the consequences of loss and taking responsibility>or continue to live in a dream world where you're literally god and can make the pain go awayIt's not hard to see why the mentally ill chose her ending.
>>724149561But you had no hand in its creation?
>>724149392I am not. If IRL there would be a real AI, it would be as real "person" (maybe something different in terms of thinking and motivations) despite them running on transistors instead of neurons. Substrate of a thinking organ and their ultimate origin (whether they popped out of woman's vagina) doesn't define whether someone has "consciousness", they behavior and whether they have awareness does.Lumerians obviously have consciousness, there is nothing in the game that would indicate otherwise.
>>724149537You cannot be this retarded KEK.The motif shared between the developers and the Writers and the Painters cannot be any more obvious, furthermore it's definitely what Sandfall is thinking and not your faggot fiction about the painters and writers fighting on a battlefield like cowboys vs indians.
I choose the chaotic ending of eating Maelle's ass first THEN burning the canvas. After that comes the crippled hate sex.
>>724149827The motif of “magic artist” is obvious, yes. Everything else is a hilarious farce. Tell me, is the composer his own faction? Why is he referenced as a Gestral instead of the higher order being he is? Why is open street warfare more faggot shit than the infinite recursive wank conflict?
>>724143195You'd know, wouldn't you? How about you go back.
>>724144386I'm not sure about Lune and Sciel, but when the camera pans over the people lining up to get into the theater, they are all very poorly drawn.I think that was intentional since the crowds looked normal in other parts of the game. Maelle could only repaint the people she knew, everyone else is a faceless doll.
>>724149771>Muh cyberpunk bladerunner replicants!I see where you're going, but I still disagree. There's no indication that the painties in the game broke and advanced from their "programming" like AI would to achieve consciousness.
>>724150103YeahAnd Gustave would never agree to letting her slowly kill herself like that if he knew
>>724150103She most likely didn't know Pierre personally though. And he came out fine.
>>724149987Because it doesn't need to be infinitely recursive faggot KEK. If there's a sequel to the game and the Writers are the villain and are responsible for the woes of the Painter's reality, they're either random footsoldiers throwing firebombs and tricking alicia or they're formidable, well-written (kek) opponents. Play Saboteur or Ass screed if you want what drivel you're describing.
People who are thoughtful and intelligent pick Maelle, the mass picks Verso. Verso is the character you control in camp you are Verso, so people sympathize with him because people are simple.
>>724142619Redditors can't fathom rising above hardship and improving yourself. They're weak like Maelle, wanting to hide away from the world and wallow in self pity. Verso's ending is for men.
>>724146721I thought she could bring them back and paint new ones since she was the only other real person next to Clea within the painting. They just thought that only Mistress could do it since nobody knew what their world really was.
>>724150249But it is infinitely recursive, because nested realities always are. Why would the highest order be writers? Why wouldn’t you make an even bigger bad? And that big bad has an even BIGGER bad.
>>724150248None of them came out fine They all acting like automatons for Alicia larp section
>>724150286Picking Verso's ending means you sympathize with Maelle's family ya dumdum.
>>724142619i thought the despair ending was more compelling
>>724150352That doesn't fucking matter. The sequel to the game doesn't need to answer infinite recursive realities, only the next one responsible for the Painter's reality. Please continue to cope with this thought however, it is very amusing kek
>>724148775ig my main issue is just that nobody got to decide except for verso. I feel like the ending wants me to feel like its a tragedy that the canvas has to be erased because of all the people in it being gone, but it also wants me to think that they weren't important, they didn't really matter, thats why they weren't consulted, because the true important people get to live and that had to be the priority. How am i supposed to feel like its tragic if they have to be that much lesser anyway by the story's own admission for this to work? The maelle ending is worse for the real and canvas worlds both, and i can't see how it could possibly work in a sequel, but at least it doesn't make a hypocritical conflicting statement about what it wants the player to feel.
>>724150438And if they want two sequels? Besides, street warfare fought with the tools of artistry is unique enough by itself. Much better than yet another iteration of “woooow this reality isn’t real either”.
>>724150371Lune and Sciel came fine => Alicia at least theoretically has ability to resurrect previously gommaged Lumerians.The rest is head canon based on a few shots in a cinematic in a game that has poor lip synching and weird face expressions to being with.
the Maelle ending is choosing fantasy over reality, in other words, it is the spiritually transgender ending.If anyone here chose the Maelle ending then they are spiritually (and also likely literally) transgender and should not be engaged with.Lumiere will never be Paris.You will never be a woman.
Verso pickers has the most deranged ideas about Maelles ending, how she's some evil puppet master and all kinds of retarded shit, it's hilarious.
>maelle's painted people aren't real because sciel and lune act weird when they're brought backlmao they act weird as soon as verso steps onto the stage, they're just poorly written, you can't read into it that much
>>724150606She was able to run her hands thorough the gommaged chroma remnants, and everyone else she painted that we saw was also a result of her getting her hands directly on trapped chroma. It can be inferred that Sciel and Lune only came out as well as they did because she basically had their soul in her hand.
>>724150473Live a lifetime as a burned cripple in a cruel world or live a lifetime surrounded by loved ones. If the matrix was real i'd choose the simulation
>>724150647You can kys, just like Verso did :-)
>>724150572So weit so gut, I'm sure they can write something clever. Don't worry so much lil bro, just appreciate that I'm telling you the plot to the sequel right here, right now. You can apologize and thank me later.
>>724150758>burned crippleShe has facial and vocal scarring, how terrible.>in a cruel worldShe’s rich and has magic powers.
>>724150438NTA but you shouldn't dismiss his point. It would be ridiculous for the next game to inexplicably add more recursive realities while also handwaving the idea that there would eventually be more that the game writer's could lazily pull out of their ass if they write themselves into a corner
if the residents of lumiere don't matter then why did they do a massive dramatic set-piece at the start to lay out the stakes of our heroes' journey by emphasizing the impact of the gommage on the residents of lumiere?it's literally as bad as "LOL IT WAS ALL A DREAM" and is a massive slap in the face of the audience to pretend that none of it actually matters
>>724150810We know almost nothing about their world but it certainly seems like Alicia is completely alone without friends.
>>724150710It's like they live in their own painted reality.
>>724150806I know this whole smug frog thing is a shtick, but there are better ways to ragebait people by pretending to be retarded on /v/. I’ll just accept your concession and move on.
>>724143340No it isnt, you just think that be cause its>boy>girl
>Lune/Sciel: please we want to live>um okay sweetie you're being kinda toxic now ngl I watched a tiktok about mindfulness and this is a really unhealthy coping mechanism so you and everything you've ever known has to be wiped out
>>724150862They do matter, the endings are a choice of sacrificing different things that matter. I have no idea how people consistently come to the conclusion that one or the other side of the moral conflict has to be completely discounted. The point is making a cruel choice.
>>724148638the game ended when the paintress died and everyone got gommaged from a story point of view
>>724151051but even in maelle's ending, they're just husks, see >>724151052
Maelle is the embodiment of sexxo so her ending is the righteous one. if Verso didn't want to play the piano for an eternity he shouldn't have had a sex goddess as a sister
>>724150995Esquie and Monoco wants to die for their friend so of course we should kill them, it's the good thing to do.
>>724144885Except the game literally outright states and shows multiple times that the soul fragment is a sentient entity with thoughts and feelings, not just a metaphor like in real life. Did you know that you can't actually enter paintings in real life like in the game?
>>724144386Sciel contradicts this though because she still had memories of her suicide attempt that she never shared with Maelle. You can argue the rest of Lumiere are puppets, but not Sciel and Lune.
>>724151112They’re clearly fully resurrected, but Maelle’s ending may imply that Maelle’s outsized influence may have warped them somewhat. What is true is that Lumiere is not being populated by the same quality of people it used to be, and anyone Alicia didn’t know or have memories of seems to be represented by an incomplete husk. That’s more a consequence of her inexperience.
>>724151232And you can't argue that the rest are puppets because Sciel and Lune would not let that happen.
>>724149625>ehi lets suffer this moltitute of painted people for 100 years straight because “you must get over le hecking trauma”>see you poor child, your mother was GOMMAGE’D in front of you and YOU ALL DESERVED THIS because LE HECKING TRAUMA>YOU ALL DESERVE TO BE GOMMAGED YOU PAINTED FAGGOTS, if you don’t want YOU ARE JUST LE BAD AS ME!!!Damn, it is truly SnK all over again but the writers were actually redpilled this time.
>>724151232>stuck in a universe where the only 2 sentient beings besides yourself are womenverso was right
>>724151273If God made an un-person and then insisted that he just needed more time and practice to bring back the population fully, then you’d probably allow it.
>>724151301And his underage sister!
>>724151280ESL nonsense.
Why would someone with godlike powers not have the ability to bring the dead back to life ?
You guys really missed one of the central points of the story. The entire story revolves around a moral question. Are your creations real? ie are the characters of lotr real? Yes and no, they are real characters that we care about while reading their story. When we isolate just the story and immerse ourselves into the story, for a time they are real to us too. The game sets this up by not telling us that you are in a fictional world. For the first half of the game, you just think this is some fantasy version of Paris that suffered some cataclysmic event. Later on, its revealed that everyone is a creation, and youve seen first hand how "real" they are. So now you are stuck with a dilemma at the end, are they real enough to continue living as they were, or are they lines drawn on a canvas? Clearly im oversimplifying thie, but this is the core point if the story
>>724147275The gestrals are so retarded there's basically no difference between them existing or not. There's nothing going on in their heads anyway.
>>724151358No if she remade Gustave and Sophie etc. as some weird zombies they would absolutely not allow it. It's a retarded take from some Verso pickers.
>I do not consider you to be a real person ergo I shall not be guilty of murder when I kill you
>>724151459Because she can’t paint something she has no knowledge of. She is possibly omnipotent (limited by talent), but she isn’t omniscient.
>the mask! it's....le me!stop trying to read into this game when the creators literally forgot to remove elements of the story which make no sense post-content cuts
>>724151528Gustave and Sophie aren’t husks, they’re repainted in her image just like the painted family. They’re probably not perfect recreations but she knew them both well.
>>724151647They're all resurrected and real people.
>>724151567Anon that’s a really, really simple bit of character. That you didn’t understand it is a little damning.
This is one of those games that somehow get worse the more you’ve thought about it and are removed from it
>>724151669>no access to either of their chroma>no handful of sophie or gustave
>>724151647chances are nu-gustave is sophie's idealised version of him where he's not a brooding pussy but some gigachad protector that also fucks her non-stop
>>724151567what the fuck did she actually mean by this though?her character is supposed to be calm and honest, she doesn't need a mask? Or is the whole thing about her suicide attempt and abortion?
>>724151468They are "creations", but of "golem" or "android" type — artificial thinking and feeling beings; not "creations" like literal portraits or literary heroes. It's not an allegory or a fable, anon. It's a fantasy work. With golems made of chroma (magical paint) instead of clay.
>>724151701nope, both of the interventions of sciel and lune in the finale of the axon fights make zero sense
>>724151552Is there any hint she's making copies rather than bringing the real ones back ?
>>724151898No. It's versofag cope.
>>724151828Lune is a stoic not swayed by the fantasy and Sciel is already just playing a character and lost herself long ago.>>724151898Outside the opera is a line of black and white un-people, and from what we can tell of the mechanics of chroma, she doesn’t have access to the precise mixtures to pull what she did on Sciel and Lune. So unless it takes a while for chroma to dissipate back into the painting, she’s going to have to resurrect an approximation.
>>724151805Yes and they indistinguishable from people, thats how the game sets up the question. The ending is a test of that to the player. You get 2 choices:>yes they are real>no fuck'emThe game does a really good job of that by tying the decision to two characters who are real but represent different things
>AI assets>reused assets such as same hand pose on all idle objects.Indie devs we are feasting
the fact is maelle is a shitty painter (bitch is only 16) and couldn't hold a candle to her mother or father's abilitiesher mother made lumiere, not malle
>>724152136white male
>>724152102>AI assetsWhere? It has to still be in the game not some placeholder trash.
>>724151551>yes your honor, even though they appeared to be a thinking feeling human capable of independent thought and ambition and who expressed a desire to live, it was merely a copy so it wasn't murder>in what way? Uh..
>>724152308>your honor I literally made them. Watch, I’ll do it right now
>>724152195>a fucking white maelle
>>724152308who's the judge though? what court has jurisdiction over that painting?
>>724152308>rapes and kills the entire canvasThe charges, your honor?
>>724152457Uh-oh your honor, you appear to be gommaging, and I just happened to paint this guy that looks like you and loves me unconditionally.
>>724142619There's a misconception that something is lost in the Verso ending that isn't in the Maelle one.The reality is that the painted world is doomed no matter what.
>>724148518>No. It's to suggest that the Writers exist a layer above the "real" Painters, who exist a layer above the canvas.This retarded theory has always been absolute bullshit. The writers are quite obviously just a rival faction of at least comparable power/influence of that the painters. Making them, presumably, equivalent. If the writers were of a layer above the painters, like the painters were above the painted. Then none of the writers' actions would make any fucking sense. If the writers were the gods of their world, then they would have never needed to engage in any deceptive or underhanded tactics in order light the Dessendre mansion on fire. They wouldn't have to feud with the Dessendre family at all. They could just erase them from their writing. There would be no war between writers and painters if the writers were their fucking gods and creators. And make note of how the only reason the painted people even had a chance of persisting, let alone resist and rebel, was because they had a painter(s) who fought for them. The writers being in a layer above the painters make zero sense. Why has this ever become a semi-common idea at all? There is no support for it in-game, and it makes zero sense and contradicts a lot of the game.
>>724152769Pseuds love metacommentary.>why did they need to burn themMakes for a better story>how is clea fighting themBetter storyEtc etc etc every answer is “Because god wills it so”, effectively. A very defensible position, worked for the church for a long time.
>tfw me and everyone I know and love has to face oblivion because I'm just a plot point in some 16 year old girl's trauma recovery storylumiere residents should've chimped, found a way out of the painting, and hung the entire dessendre family
>>724148774Agreed, except Yanny and Maelle.
>>724152930One of the Dessandre family made your dumb ass in the first place, even your demiurge is Dessandre. You exist by the whims of creator gods, just be grateful you get to die painlessly.
>>724151791That she accepts herself for who she is, including her flaws
>>724153156This is gay.
>>724152930tf Pierre gon do?
>>724151468>The entire story revolves around a moral question. Are your creations real?No it doesn't. Lune and Sciel have nothing interesting to say in the final fight. They're in the background and only Verso, Maëlle and the Descendre family become the focus of the game.
>>724151791She already locked her emotions behind a facade so putting on a mask does nothing.It's badly explained because the story moves at breakneck speed and you probably don't know her story at that point.
>>724154394>this mask can't hurt me>because I'm already fake and gayHuh. didn't think about it like that.
>>724154153Verso fucked his bitch kekaroo
We the jury find the defendant guilty of being male
>>724142619Verso makes my blood boil. He's a backstabbing bastard who only enters into relationships with people so he can trick them all into killing themselves and everyone that they love. And then he has the fucking gall to blame Maelle for what happened to his painted sister when he was the one who betrayed everything and everyone in order to kill their father, throw away her letter, and destroy her entire world.
>>724155957There isn't a harsh enough punishment for Verso desu. Piano mines is a good start tho
Alicia's ending is the tranny ending for trannies. (ignoring your real body and living in fantasy land, even changing your name)Verso's ending is the normal ending for normal people.Simple as.
>>724155957Maybe I dunno deal with your grief without creating an entire world of people destined to die? Maybe? I don't know, maybe just cry a lot and accept reality? Sorry Maelle you're going to school tomorrow.
>>724142619>Reddit overwhelmingly support the Maëlle endingWhat? From what I've seen it's the biggest normalfag take imaginable to shill for hte Verso ending. Maelle is the niche contrarian ending.
>>724143195https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IQHjhBq7cwE
>>724155957>Maelle: why are you so sad about pAlicia dying? you were okay with everyone dying before...>Verso: IT'S DIFFERENT! DIFFERENT I TELL YOU!!I swear Verso was mad because he didn't get to kill or betray pAlicia himself
>>724152012I'd argue the ending debate is less about whether they're real, and more about if they should be brought back since they're already dead after act 2 and are likely doomed in the future, and whether they'll even be the same if brought back.Then the arguments become>Yes, any amount of time living is sacred, and they have a right to live as long as possible. They're the same people brought back.And>No, they won't even be the same, just copies, and they'll die anyway so not bringing them back minimizes their suffering and lets the Dessendres start healing.
>>724150758call me woke or whatever the fuck but I find this defense toward Maelle's actions, of her being "le cripple" genuinely insulting towards actual disabled people, yes of course she could've had a good life in the "real" world, people adapt to circumstances and overcome all sorts of hardship, people are way tougher than you thinkthere are countless examples in the real world of people facing all sorts of disabilities, whether it's losing limbs, getting burned, paralysed, hell there's one dude who got polio and has to sit in an iron lung for hours and he still managed to pass the bar exam, become a lawyer, writer and have a fulfilling lifeI think this legit might be an age or generational thing, I see Maelle as almost a spoiled child throwing a fit or a tantrum, like her life's just soooo over, when it clearly ins't, she has so much to live for and her family does love and care about her, I think there's lots of young people, whether teens or in their 20s that think they have figured it all out and relate to Maelle so much, when I think some more perspective would go a long way towards them realizing that shit she is gunning towards is just not healthy
What causes people in these threads to make so many mental gymnastics to overcomplicate stupidly straightforward shit?>Verso ending is the family getting better and him getting peace, at the expense of the people from the painting and Maelle>Maelle ending is the people of the painting getting to live on alongside her, at the expense of the well-be of the family and Verso's seethingThat's it. There's no MINDBREAK SHAPESHIFTING MENTAL BRAINWASHING or MAELLE SUICIDES AFTER THE FUNERAL THOUGHBEIT or anything else. You can make your own headcanon or whatever, but what the fuck is it with these threads discussing this short of nonsense as if they had EVER been hinted when they haven't?
>>724159725The people of the painting are already dead safe for Sciel and Lune. They never should have been painted in the first place.
>>724159559She's not even that severely crippled. She has facial burns and a missing eye, and the facial burns are mostly top-layer and cosmetic. She has singed vocal cords and maybe some light lung damage. She's a fully grown adult so her scars won't stretch and get worse. She's rich. She's got a superpower. And people treat this state of affairs like she's a quadriplegic whose organs are failing.
>>724160151You are already dead, your mother should have aborted you. But alas, you are already here so I can't imagine you will kill yourself just because I ask you.
>>724159213>Maelle takes the life of his entire painted family, one by one, while ignoring him each time>"what do you mean you don't have anything left to live for?"This only made his final choice that much easier.People assume that Verso had his plan set up right from the start but seeing his real family suffer because of his sole existence and Maelle wanting to perpetuate that suffering by trapping herself into the painting are what motivated his last minute choice of ending the cycle.
>>724160227>You are already deadI'm not. Your argument makes no sense.
>>724160310Neither does yours, retard.
Not trying to make a strawman or anything but is the only argument in favor of the guy who wants to destroy the world that he is more real than the others ?They're all fictional characters afaik. If you put a story within a story will viewers start thinking the other story is reality ?
>>724160369Proclaiming people to be dead that have never died is pretty fucking bizarre, anon. Renoir gommaged everyone, only Sciel and Lune were preserved. Everyone else got converted straight into chroma.
>real verso sacrificed everything to save the lifr of his little sister>fake verso did the sameVerso is the best person in the game, even though he is a liar and manipulator.
>>724160480Anon there's such a thing as verisimilitude in fiction. Within the story, the Dessandes exist on a higher plane of reality. Ultimately, we exist on the highest plane of reality (probably), and it's all fiction that doesn't matter. But for the sake of the story, we accept things that aren't real in the context of that universe. You can refuse to do this, but you should probably avoid fiction in the future.
>>724142619I support Lune's feet
>>724160645How do you quantify reality ? Is there some theory about it ?
>>724159725What mental gymnastic?The Maelle ending clearly shows her pulling the strings. She becomes her mother, locking herself into a fake world surrounded by the puppets of people she loved.It doesn't show the Dessendre family tearing itself apart trying to get her out but that's easy to assume.
>>724160194Yeah. Seems like the worst part for her was that she couldn't talk, but she could literally carry around a small canvas and just make text appear on it to communicate. Boom. Problem solved.
I just don't like Verso. I was far more attached to Gustave even though you don't spend that much time with him. If Maelle wants to live out her life in a sentient world then I don't see the issue. Especially since in the real world she's mute cripple with half her face melted off and whose family aside from her father don't care about her.
>>724160861In fiction? It's what you are told it is. By virtue of their status as denizens of a higher reality, the Dessandres are basically gods in the lower realm. Their "more real" reality is evidenced by their power over and responsible for the lower reality. In reality reality, like the one we're typing to eachother on? There are many theories to prove reality, none of them conclusive.
>>724142619faggot game made by faggots for faggots
All the male lets plays choose verso, as do half of the female ones.
>>724157665Maybe deal with your grief without committing genocide?
>>724161203I'd love that, unfortunately, it stopped being an option. It was never an option for Renoir or Verso. Aline and Alicia made sure that it was necessary to snap them out of it.
>>724161039Main cities in France are like 90% africans now so that's pretty realistic sadly
>>724161167This. Even all the holomems I've seen play the game choose Verso and they fucking hate Verso.
>>724161260They don't even discuss the possibility of it. Get Aline into some fucking rehab and hide the canvas. Bury it and say it was destroyed. Instead Renoir and Verso just force this ultimatum of mass murder on everyone and pretend that they're the rational ones.
>>724161754They have to get her out in the first place, and none of the expeditions were successful. If Alicia hadn't gotten herself stuck in the canvas the gommage would likely have had to gradually kill the world just to get Aline out. She's IN THERE, anon, you can't just drag her body away. Then, after all that, Alicia winds up attached as well, she forces her way back in the canvas to go fight off her father. Alright, cool, that sounds sane. Then she shows the same signs of madness that her mother did and now Verso has to fix the situation like Renoir did.
>>724160480No, the argument is that we've seen what happens in the other ending.They're both bad in a vacuum but when compared, one ends on a bittersweet note but a story that can move on, while the other endings sees a main character become a villain and the other mc suffer for it, perpetuating the cycle of grief and obsession that started this whole mess.
idk why people even "pick" an endingjust consume both and move on
faggot gameby faggots (using unreal engine sloppa)for faggots who like netflix shits
>>724160597It's true. Actions speak louder than words, but morons would rather focus on "his lies!1"
>>724160307>Verso: I took part in the killing of my family and now I have no one left, how could this be happening to me?Also when Verso beats Maelle he basically tells her to make her own painting, how does that not perpetuate the same cycle when chances are Maelle will get stuck in there as well?
>>724162197By move on do you mean a direct sequel ? There's next to no story outside the painting.
>>724142619They're actually retarded or literal trannies. I've seen more reactions to scenes from this game than I'd like to admit and without failure. Every single time. The people who sit there the entire time "what's happening, like chat. CHAT like what's going on, like. like nothing prepared me for this what's happening" makes me hate them more than I should because all the pieces are there for you to figure out what's going on. Part of why I liked the game was it made me feel smart when most all my theories turned out true. Then you have absolute retards that just go back to "hur main character good guy me pick main character" tl;dr they're retarded and paid more attention to their phone than the story.
It's amazing how in every JRPG the players always want to save a world full of NPC from the god who wants to destroy it, whatever his reasons may be, but in this game most people chose to destroy everything and are happy with it.
>>724163124Verso's canvas is so toxic because it literally contains him. It drew his mother in because she literally knew that the last living piece of her son was there. Now Maelle is in there, with both Versoul and a living version of her brother, and everyone she grew up with for as much time as she spent in reality. Any other canvas would be less addictive. She could remake as much of Lumiere as she could, but it would never be as seductive.
>>724163124He says that to reassure her but that doesn't mean she will, she will understand in time and the ending shows that she's ready to say goodbye to verso and the painting and live a happier life.
>>724161039This is just being posted to make the detractors look bad at this point right? There's one black guy with like 3 lines in the game.
>>724158884This is just an AI video of two people kissing?
When Alicia first enters the canvas, is overwhelmed by Aline's chroma and birthed as Maelle, do you think there just happened to be a pregnant lady primed and ready to go, or is it more likely Aline just painted her into instantly giving birth?It's weird people just assume the painted people were just living their own lives.
>>724163126Whether the story outside the canvas exists or not is irrelevant. It can move on because Verso has been buried for good and the family is whole again, whereas the other ending shows a new paintress holding the canvas hostage.
>>724163695Someone, somewhere was having unprotected sex in a similar timeframe.
>>724148317Yes, but only retards are utilitarians. I'm well read on philosophy, but only the good philosophy. Burke, Aristotle, and Hobbes all would've chosen Verso's ending.
>>724148317>well-read>completely misreads both the endings and what people are saying
>>724151181That may be so, but we don't actually know how the soul fragment actually feels about continuing or stopping painting. Verso is projecting.
>>724148317>utilitarianI paint a canvas of endless eternal suffering for one person. I create a second canvas of eternal bliss for three million. Freeing Alicia and Aline to paint more beauty and wonder is the utilitarian ideal. Every second they spend in the broken shitty canvas full of suffering is time wasted.
Genocide argument is retarded. None of the Luminerians are supposed to exist. And those are the only ones people seem to care about. It's like they forgot gstrals and grandis did exist and ignore what they went through. And that's why Verso doesn't want to paint anymore.
Okay, but what do the people of E33 eat? The only farms you see are on the continent and they're lousy with nevrons. Lumiere itself is an island. They had wine and bread and flowers, but they had nowhere to grow them.
>>724161924Maelle's "madness" was not wanting to see an entire world and its populace destroyed after living an entire second life there with people that treated her better than her actual family.
>>724142619no guide in englishstrategy-shooter Grandmaster-mr.China发搞不好
>>724148247Brotherfuckers are the most deranged women there are.
>>724164406She hated living in Lumiere so much she went on a suicide mission just to get out of that place.
>>724164406No, Maelle's madness was wanting a surrogate brother in a surrogate world. She just wanted a world where she didn't fuck up and kill her brother and destroy herself and her family.
>>724164284Funny because I'm sure the soul boy listened to Verso while he got scared of Maelle drawing her sword and went back to drawing.
>>724164364They reference hydro-farms and Gustave worked on one before they figured out that the excess food created would not feed anybody because of aggressive population shrinkage.
What did you expect? Its a reddit game
>>724164406>an entire world and its populace destroyed after living an entire second life there Nowhere is this ever stated or implied. She's simply just selfish and wants to live inside the painting with her brother and dolls she's dressed to look the same as people she likes.
>>724142619Good. Maelle for life.
>>724164570>he got scared of Maelle drawing her swordIt's simpler than that. The facsimiles of his family were about to fucking throw down for real. He was hiding because he was scared of that, not because of what Maelle was going to force him to do.
I support the Verso ending because making little Verso paint against his will is wrong.Simple as.
>>724164881>abused kid hiding when parents are fighting
>>724164406Maelle was killing herself and making everyone suffer just because she didn't want to own up and face reality. She should've atoned for getting Verso killed instead of getting high on paintanyl with her mother.
>>724165001Yes. Exactly. I dunno why you greentexted it as if to make a joke, be sarcastic or have a one-up on me, but this is literally how it is.
>>724164991Well that and allowing a destructive escapist outlet to exist is inherently wrong. If being in a painting didn't have any downsides, Verso wouldn't be obviously morally correct, only mostly obviously morally correct.
>>724164770The ending of the game has everyone dissapear as Verso makes the painting stop, they're all dead.>>724165078Maelle wasn't the one who made people suffer, her mother and Renoir were. She was stuck in a reincarnation and had no idea about anything that was happening for years. She had no control about anything happening in the game until Act 3. She did not create the world or its players, she just slipped into the painting, was in a coma for an entire young lifetime and woke up at the end.Then was told that the entire REAL life she lived in the painting is fake and everyone she's known for years has to die. And in her ending, Verso (a guy who attempted mass genocide TWIC) is the only one who suffers, while everyone else lives happily.
Maelle ending = left-wingVerso ending = right-wingThat's why Reddit hates Verso and Verso's ending. That and they have daddy issues.
>>724164881I didn't imply Maelle was going to force him to do anything but he does connect with Verso and they both walk together toward the light.Dude's been trapped there since childhood, forced to watch everyone paint over and bring all kinds of monsters and sad shit into his world.
>>724165271>The ending of the game has everyone dissapear as Verso makes the painting stop, they're all dead.So Maelle isn't saving anyone then, it's happenstance. She's doesn't give a fuck
>>724165271Her entire family also suffers. All so she can have like 40 years of pretend playhouse with an entire world as her hostage.
>>724142619>>724165329You people clearly have not been on Reddit, they all universally love Verso's ending as well. This is the case in every site, Maelle's side is the underdog.
Who cares about this chinkslop
>>724165458Is there a single game on the face of the planet with a budget higher than pocket changethat isn't chinkslop to you? Even one?
>>724165354She's not saving anyone, they were all gommage'd at the end of act 3. And she cares so little about Lumiere, she didn't even fix any of it, not that she knew how Lumiere had been before the fracture, she paints the populace back in as white dressed copy pastes of each other.
>>724165354>it's happenstanceIt's hundreds of sentient living beings with their own history dissapearing so one family can feel happy. Seems selfish.>>724165358>40 yearsNowhere is it stated she will stay in that world for 40 years and keep anyone outside of Verso hostage. In the game she wrote down in the journal the entire truth about her world, and both Lune and Sciel survive her ending to tell everyone about what's really happening. Nobody is suffering or being held hostage other than Verso.
>>724142619So my HAPA footslut waifu can live of course
>>724165271Maelle and Alicia are the same people. Painted Alicia gets gommage'd and leaves a letter for Real Alicia. She didn't remember it at all, but that doesn't change the fact that she was and is the same as her real counterpart.And Verso didn't attempt genocide because the people he was "killing" weren't real. If he committed genocide, then deleting an Animal Crossing savefile would also be considered genocide.
>>724142619The choice is extremely obvious if the painting people are actually sentient beings - then it's maelle, obviously. If they aren't, then obviously verso is the choice.
>>724165568>Maelle's "madness" was not wanting to see an entire world and its populace destroyed Don't move the goalposts anon, your claim is that she specifically wanted to save everyone. She doesn't, she just wants to play dolls. Not to mention that it's only the Gestrals left anyway
>>724165568It's not about the Dessendres feeling happy. They aren't happy. They lost their son and the lynchpin of their family. But they have to face THE TRUTH. The truth that Verso is gone and they can't force a facsimile of him to play piano and pretend to be real for all eternity.You creating a LLM recreation of a loved one to talk to because you can't cope with their death is wrong.
>>724165623>If he committed genocide, then deleting an Animal Crossing savefile would also be considered genocide.If we had factual proof that animal crossing citizens were sentient people with their own lives, then yes, deleting the savefile would be genocide. In the game we see every single character have a life outside of the painters design. Sciel didn't try to kill herself with a baby because that was what anyone in the family wanted, that was her own life.The depressing truth is that more people would see you deleting a save file from Animal Crossing as more monstrous than Maelle's ending just because of cute animals. Goes to show how easily influenced people are by colors and visuals.
>>724165568>nowhere is it stated she will stay in that world for 40 yearsShe will stay there until she dies. She knows it, Verso knows it, Renoir knows it.>nobody is being held hostageShe is a god on earth. She is the most powerful entity with control of all the chroma in the entire painting. The world is her plaything.>nobody is sufferingMost of Lumiere is staffed by unfinished mannequin people.
Maelle-fags are getting ganked in this thread. You love to see it.
>>724165689The painted people are confirmed to be sentient beings.
>>724165821Anon the characters having a life is literally Aline's design. They are doing what she made them to do.
>People in the painted world aren't real!Neither are the Dessendre family. It's all fiction, it's a video game.You knew this before you pressed play.
>>724165939Yes, congrats, with this BRILLIANT observation you've reduced all fiction to below notice. Brilliant. Now stop playing video games and go work.
>>724165823>She is a god on earthA god on earth that Verso can "kill" and remove from the painting. A god on earth that needed an entire squad to stand up against her father and monsters from her family's creations. She's not all-powerful, she can easily be taken care of if she goes too far. And her entire friend group and town know the truth, so she's not even manipulating or lying to people to follow her whim.
>>724165821We don't have proof that the denizens of Lumiere are sentient people either. They're animated facsimiles of people living a tortured existence. GrokAI is just as much a sentient being as the painted people.
>>724166074She's far stronger than her mother at the end of the game. No one could stop her.
>>724165992I usually don't need to but the "it's all a dream" twist confuses people
>>724166174>No one could stop her.Except Verso, who's not even the strongest member of the E33 team.
>>724166074Anon, Aline and Renoir are much more powerful painters and Alicia is still nascent and unskilled. But without her mother and father in the painting, she has access to FAR more power than she used to. Verso killed a baby god, Alicia in her ending has enough time to learn about her own power.
>>724166074She learns that you catch more flies with honey and starts using sex to subdue the party. She even offers Lune an adolescent boy in the opera scene; god knows what she did to Verso and the rest to keep them satisfied.
>>724166235Verso stops her just as she's basically reaching apotheosis once all the chroma in the painting falls under her sway.
>>724166270>Alicia in her ending has enough time to learn about her own power.All speculation that we don't see in-game. And how is she gonna learn about her own power without her family? If anything she'd only be stronger if she was with them.If you're gonna speculate then I can also speculate that after the Verso ending, Maelle throws herself off a cliff and dies. Or Maelle grows to create the same Painted world and pushes herself on it, starting the cycle all over again. Speculation only takes you so far.
>>724142619>Bunch of trannies, faggots and commies, whose entire lifestyle revolves around denying reality and minimizing pain at any cost love the ending where the main character lives a comforting lie rather than face painful reality.Imagine my shock..
>>724166445Anon she's literally remaking Lumiere, a feat that she is wholly uncapable of previously. Of fucking course she's learning how to wield her powers. She's not even mastered it yet, but she's trying to wholesale fabricate human beings at this point, which only Aline managed previously.
>>724165761It is wrong, and Maelle is dumb for recreating Verso instead of letting him die. But the rest of the world shouldn't die just because they're bad at coping.
>>724142619if there's one flaw with the game (outside of repetitive overworld music) it's that they went too hard in making the maëlle ending look like the bad ending. they should have let players come to that conclusion on their own.
>>724166616It shows that she's powerful enough to bring them back, but it doesn't prove that she's so powerful that nobody can stop her and is holding people hostage. That is all speculation people have just because they got spooked by the ending.
>>724166098it's gonna be crazy when they reveal the dessendres are just a book written by the writers
>>724166270Gustave's Lumina Converter made a huge difference too. It basically gives the painted humans in the canvas enough strength to fight the gods on somewhat equal terms in that realm though they obviously still need Alicia to actually win
>>724166817Anon Renoir and Aline were old and exhausted. Only Clea's creations were shown to fight at levels capable of even putting up a fight against actual painters, and she's a singular genius. She put to heel an immortal and now has full access to all the chroma in the painting, without the century of exhaustion. Of course she's going to be a monstrous power.
>>724166986>Gustave's Lumina ConverterThat someone like Gustave could make something like that shows the agency Gestrals and humans have in this world as opposed to Maelle just being unstoppably god tier.
>>724167037Again, all speculation; you do not know for a fact. You are letting your assumptions determine the truth, just like Verso and Renoir.
>>724167096Anon, everyone pales against painters wielding their full power. Clea popped in and casually created the most powerful non-painter entity in the canvas. Without both the lumina converter and the curator, E33 was completely fucked. With help from the lumina converter and satan, they STILL needed Alicia to get past pRenoir. All of this to get to a woman who is a century's worth of broken and tired.
Renoir and Clea are mass murdering psychopaths. Of course I won't reward them in the end? I'll save the heroes of the story, Lune, Sciel, Monoco and Esquie. Easiest choice of my life.
>>724167175Oh, you're right, lets just ignore everything else we know and were told and assume Alicia will be shitty and weak, easily overthrown. Lets also just ignore that she's clearly fucking around with the lives of Lumierians even in her own ending, with nobody but Verso having aged.
>>724166763>They went too hard in making the maëlle ending look like the bad ending.They didn't though, it's just that people are easily influenced by music and visuals. Expedition 33 is a huge normie filter, and how you can make them accept anything with basic visual storytelling.The Maelle ending and Verso ending are both opposites. Verso's starts with all the bad things, everyone dies and everything they worked for is for nothing. But then you see a pretty funeral where a family hugs each other and moves on. Maelle's starts with everyone living happily ever after, the Expedition succeeding, and the world regaining hope once again. But it comes at the cost of Verso being a slave and Maelle slowly decaying, meaning the conflict has shifted from the world suffering for the sake of the family, to instead the family suffering for the sake of the world.They are both presented equal, but because the Maelle one ends with a creepy shot while the Verso one ends with a happy one, everyone just assumes Verso is the good ending. It's all about the basic emotions the player ends with, not the entire experience of the game they just played.
>>724142619e33 is a faggot game made by faggots for faggots who enjoy netflix shows produced by the obamas.
>>724167394>with nobody but Verso having aged.Verso was hundreds of years old by the start of the game and would have obviously been older if brought back. Everyone else was in their 30s. Also, if she really manipulated them to fit her whim, Gustave would not have his robot arm. A pretty clear hint that they're the same, not idealized toy versions she created.
>>724146426>>724146721I don't think she's forcing Verso to play. The argument for it is her face being covered with paint like what happens to people irl when they enter a painting. But that's precisely it, why is Verso seeing this? The paint thing NEVER happens to people who are already inside the painting.He's just projecting her irl self onto her avatar in the painting and it makes him sad because she's killing herself, but he still plays the piano because that's what he promised and there's nothing he can do about it.
>>724167435I agree, I've seen so many absolutely retarded takes on Maelles ending, it's astounding.
>>724167574>Gustave would not have his robot arm.Because she's a cunt.She remade him, made him older and removed his scar so her larp would work.Also made esquie and Monoco not give a shit.
>>724167606>The argument for it is her face being covered with paint The argument for it is that he resist, then you see a bit of chroma, sound included, then her painted face,then he starts.
>>724166958I can actually see this happening in a sequel, it could be interesting if done properly, but it could also end up being a silly Rick and Mortar gag being presented in a serious light
>>724167606Exactly, when Verso walks out on stage you see the world through his eyes, everything is black and white and he hallucinates Maelles painter face because he thinks of her outside the painting dying.
>>724167574>obviously have been older if brought backHe wasn't brought back. He was booted back the the painting to regenerate and then through some methodology she removed his immortality. So now he's getting older, but nobody else is. Suspicious.>they're the sameThem being the same IS Maelle's ideal. She wants Gustave as she remembered him. She just wants to return to fakeworld where her brother never died.
>>724167692I'm sorry, I thought you said she was a cunt because she fucked around Lumerians lives, but keeping one's body intact as the way they died is also being a cunt? Pick a laneEsquie and Monoco don't give a shit regardless if they live or die, they just accept whatever.
>>724167435>They didn't thoughthey literally made it grayscale and zoomed in on maëlle's creepy face
>>724167906>So now he's getting older, but nobody else is.Once again, pure speculation. The entire POINT of Expedition 33 is that everyone wants to age and live to die in their old ages, not to be young forever. You just assume that the ending takes place like 20 years into the future and everyone is young based on your take, not actual facts from the game.If she's willing to let her fake brother age and die, why not everyone else she knows?
>>724167910Monoco definitely wants to live, he's incredibly disappointed with Verso when you fly back after having killed the paintress. He's just absolutely loyal despite his feelings.
>>724168040Thank you for proving my point.
>>724167789He just has a lucid moment, questioning whether he should even bother. But not playing would make Alicia sad and at this point the only thing he can do is make her last moments happy.He also has a ring on his finger, unless you also argue that she forced him to marry someone then that doesn't make sense either.
>>724168093>pure speculationWhat, do you think he's just aging at an accelerated rate now? Why would that be the case?>if she's willing to let her fake brother (she doesn't think of him as a fake BTW) age age die, why not everyone elseThat's a good question, isn't it? Maybe god-queen Maelle has a weird moral system going, do you think? Maybe that one concession she made to Verso at the end isn't trustworthy? Maybe?
>>724167435Usually when a story ends with BAD as its finale scene it means the future is grim.
>>724168183He marries Lune, and the kid is his. The kid is eight. Lune looks the same as she did. So either she's on those fucking Asian aging genes or Maelle is playing sillybuggers with lifespans.
>>724142619>Reddit supportedAll you need to know which side is clearly wrong and also likely retarded.Maellefags can't be reasoned with because they have to force themselves to not understand the game they played to arrive to their conclusions.
>>724168279The future is grim, Alicia is going to rot and die surrounded by imperfect recreations of Lumiere. God knows what the Dessandres will do after that, Verso already caused a spiral.
>>724168252>Why would that be the case?Because he's hundreds of years old and considerably older than everyone else around him?>Maybe god-queen Maelle has a weird moral system goingI'm not saying she's totally sane in mind in the end, but the idea that she's this evil goddess manipulating everything just because Verso is still alive and old is just assuming.
>>724168409>they have to force themselves to not understand the game they played to arrive to their conclusions.This is literally the problem with Versofags
>>724168447Fuck the Dessandres, they caused all this and deserve to suffer.
>>724168468>because he's hundreds of years oldHe's 112 or so years old and just was allowed to start aging. Why is he doing it at an accelerated pace? What mechanism governs that?>evil goddessI don't think Maelle is anything approaching evil in her ending, but she's obviously maladjusted. She's a 16 (twice) year old given godly power and suddenly granted the ability to ignore grief and loss, and her casually manipulating the world is as simple as breathing. She's a god, and all god wants is a nice world to die in.
Fantasy France government needs to step in and regulate painting usage so shit like what happened in this game never happens again.
>>724142619faggot game for faggots
Verso deceives and kills innocent people for his own sake.
If Gustave was repainted and told everything, what would he support? Verso seems to think he'd always support Maelle's ending, but I'd think Gustave could entertain Verso's ending because he wants Maelle to grow up to be strong, and that may involve her having to leave the Canvas.
>>724147439What you’re missing is that the piece of verso’s soul orally felt quite tortured while his family was warring inside his canvas. But Alicia wanted to show him some happiness and that it didn’t have to all be bad. That’s why we see him genuinely smiling and having a good time in Maelle’s ending
>>724168827He deceives and kills innocent people for the sake of others.
>>724143842Based take
>>724168694>Why is he doing it at an accelerated pace? What mechanism governs that?It's ambigious on purpose dummy>but she's obviously maladjustedYes, her ending is flawed. The golden ending of the game would be her removing herself off the painting once everyone else is back to life so they can all live their own lives, and she moves on. The Desandres do not deserve to exist in that world, and should just permanently let it exist in isolation away from them. But that would be too easy, and that's why she makes her mistake in her ending. It's not a pretty solution, but if it's either that or complete genocide, the answer is not so clear.People also forget that she still goes by Maelle by the end. She spent an entire life in the painting and has two different childhoods, she's an intriguing case. She didn't intend to stay on that painting to escape her loss, it was an accident, and she genuinely lost her memories for a lifetime. The ending is definitely her coping, but she has also the experience of living in this world and those people. Something I notice a lot of Verso defenders gloss over as a reason why she would want to stay. She comes from both worlds, not just the Painter world.
>>724168924Maelle? She protects innocent people, fights for her friends. Hmmm I wonder who is the good person.
>>724168857Thing is, with the Maelle ending there is the possibility that Gustave, Lune, Sciel and Monoco can convince her of leaving eventually. After all of Lumiere learns the truth (which Maelle writes on Gustave's diary) it's entirely possible that one day they decide to let her go. Maybe even letting their world die as a result. But by then, it will be the people inside the painting's choice, not just the Desandres.
>>724168552>His retort is nouand leftoids wonder why they keep losing all cultural battles
>>724147275Except sciel and lune were brought back from their original chroma relatively quickly while the rest of the characters have been dead for a while and possibly died in different circumstances.Maelle can only bring expeditioners as zombies but supposedly others who have been dead for years and must have been long since recycled are fine? There's no way. She's just recreating them from memory, not the same people.Also it doesn't make sense to endorse the interpretation they were truly resurrected when fakeness of replacing someone is like one of the major themes of the game and you have whole noco subplot about how you can't bring someone back exactly the same.
>>724168175You get a slow zoom in of her face where she looks fucking dead inside and then parts of her face start flaking off, what the fuck are you on about nigger
>>724169076Nooo, you see she's the actual devil because of that creepy shot at the ending, and for letting Verso live instead of letting him kill himself and genocide an entire sentient species. Also, because in the argument of her dad she never mentioned the lives of innocents. Because I, as a dumb viewer, need characters to tell me the obvious instead of interpreting the characters based on the entirety of the story.
>>724169241OP lied by the way, Reddit supports the Verso ending, meaning you agree with Reddit. Enjoy unpacking that this evening.
>>724169295Yeah it's absolutely ridiculous how some people make her out to be the bad guy when she does nothing but good things. While Verso tricks the party to kill themselves and everyone they care for, which is clearly evil.
>>724169278>because the Maelle one ends with a creepy shot while the Verso one ends with a happy one, everyone just assumes Verso is the good ending. Precisely my point
>>724169295The innocents are gone, wiped clean. Maelle can only argue to be allowed to try to recreate them. The species is gone, and the only one interested in recreating them is unskilled and pathologically attached.
>My character is the good guy actuallyThe game goes out of its way to explain that everyone human except Gustave (maybe Lune) is self interested and anything good that happens from their choices is by accident
>>724169076>She protects innocent peopleShe literally joined the Gommage because she'd rather kill herself than stay another second with Lumiere citizens.Maelle HATED her life there.
>>724169516She was a teenager who didn't fit in and wanted to go on an adventure with the person she loves.
>>724142619Verso is the canon ending for me.
>>724168175Do you not understand what makes something obvious?
>>724169421It's the good ending because she doesn't waste away her life in her own mind. You sound like a psychopath.
>>724169849She wastes away in her own mind in Versos ending. In her ending she gets to live a proper life.
>>724169923In Verso's ending she's a painter with an icky-wittle bit of scarring. From a rich family. That love her. She can make as many canvasses as she wants.
>>724169962>icky-wittle bit of scarringThis guy would look at Krueger and tell him "bro its just a scratch"
>>724169962She can barely speak, chronic pain, her face is ruined, she has no friends, her mom won't look at her, her sister taunts her for being the reason her brother is dead. What we see from Alicia is an incredibly meek and depressed girl.She'll probably try to create her old friends in other canvases and fail, what an absolute horror show.
>>724170223Kreuger has full thickness full body scarring. Alicia has some facial scarring and a missing eye. As far as burn scars go, she's sitting pretty. She even still has a cheek and hair on that side of her face, she's on easy street,
>>724170318You just looked at a screenshot didn't you? You didn't actually play the game.
>>724170264>barely speakYeah, rough shit, still not that bad.>chronic painShe can live with that.>her face is ruinedNo it isn't, she's still very pretty. Get her a glass eye and watch the suitors line up.>hey mom won't look at herThis won't last foreber>her sister taunts herClea is a fucked up bitch but still obviously cares.>what we seeAlicia is Maelle. Maelle is Alicia. As Verso says, she can go be Maelle anywhere she wants to.>she'll probably try and failAnd then try and try again. She has superpowers and the best possible education source. She has a sister and a mother that are both singular geniuses at their arts. She'll be fine.
>>724170470You're completely unfamiliar with what severe burn victims look like.
>>724170541Best case scenario is she manages to paint some new friends in another canvas and lives in there until she dies. She won't want to live in Renoirs world.
>>724170683The best case scenario is that she learns to live with loss, and that her life of incredible power and privilege can actually be appreciated by her.
e33 is a faggot game
The soul of Verso wanted all of this to stop. Esquie and Monocco were ready to accept his choice. It's a no brainer.>But what about the people of Lumiere?They never should have been created in the first place. Aline desecrated the painting of her son by adding her weird family and creating Lumiere in the first place. Besides, when the ending takes place, they're already dead. Alicia can also recreate this fake city, it's still immoral and fucked up. She doesn't only recreate the people who were erased by Renoir but also the ones who died from natural causes. So yeah, it's wrong.
>>724172385Except he doesn't want it to stop, he is told by Verso that it's time to stop.
Maele's ending is much better/memorable and heartbreaking, but obviously the other ending is the one you should be choosing MORALLY.
picked the verso ending because suffering breeds character and maelle needs to grow if they are going to fight the writers in a sequel that may or may not be ever madeevery body outside the canvas counts
>>724143683They are all Simon for Soma, and think there was a coin flip. Or another comparison, they are all Star Trek transporter fags who don't understand that the transporter kills whoever uses it and recreates a clone on the other side. They actually lack the capability to understand continuous of existence, or lack thereof.
>>724172553He asks him if he's tired of painting and the kid nods.
>>724172631Could you explain how Versos ending is more moral?
>>724143729Even in the Alicia ending the threat to the painting is not gone. Renoir will be back to finish erasing the painting to save his daughter. Aline will be back to try to put the painting back to just how it was prior to the conflict with Renoir, and Alicia's changes. All Alicia has done is delayed an inevitable bigger conflict. Which means if you actually care about the entities of the canvas then Alicia's ending is even more tragic, because the next conflict will be worse, because there is no way Alicia let's Aline mess with her perfect world. Now you will have 3 gods throwing tantrums, possibly 4 if Clea decides to take a break from slaughtering Writers, all turning the Canvas into a fucked up abstract impressionist No Man's Land.
>>724172862Yes? I'm tired of doing a lot of things, that doesn't mean I never want to do it again or that I want to be killed. Verso lies and manipulates as usual. he fading boy tells us during the game that he's tired of the suffering and fighting, he wants us to stop that so people can be happy again.
>>724173039>he's tired of the suffering and fighting, he wants us to stop that so people can be happy again.The Verso ending gives you just that.
>>724172889Save one god at the expense of two people. Also some Gestrals, Grandis, and Nevrons who barely care.
>>724173179No? It ruins Alicia completely and kills every good character in the game. Renoir and Clea are rewarded for their evil deeds.
>>724173304>ruins AliciaGo to school "Maelle".
>>724142619I've been always down for "escapism" endings like in nu-sona 5 and being an anti-marchefag, but the maelle ending pretty much tells you she's now suffering the same fate as her mom so she will become the "new" paintress or some shit. It's the predilected woman ending.
>>724173304>It ruins Alicia completely"It will get better">kills every good character in the game.Who? Lune and Sciel? They're barely real characters.
>>724173194She's not a god she's just a person with magic powers.
>>724173480She's a god in comparison to the painted. She can create worlds. She can resurrect people on a whim.
So whos the kid in Maelles ending that she's holding by the hand? They make a pretty big emphasis on it, but i never see it being discussed. Did she paint in kid Verso?
>>724173907It's either that or Lune and pVerso's kid.
>>724173710If you think power is what gives people worth then you're not a very moral person.
>>724174046Lune x Verso is not even canon, If anything, Sciel is much more plausible as his romantic interest.
>>724168752that's a statue of a woman
>>724173907That's kid verso
>>724159559Don't talk about disability fuckerDon't speak for me, for anyone else or maelle for that matterPushing through a shitty life and finding happiness is possible yes but at the end of the day it's still fucking shit and a real pain in the assBreathing with burned lung is something that most of you can't even imagined, people are are struggling with a fucking stuffed nose 3 day in the year and will dare to speak about living with half a lung, because the real kicker when it come to real disability is that you never escape it, it's all day every daySo yeah maelle or Alicia in this case wanting to leave that shit behind is entirely understandableYes it's a sign of weakness but when you don't need more than two neurons to undertstand itAnd this is coming from a versofag
>>724170264Literally all this is made worse by the state the family is in at the start. She's happy and smiling by the end.
>>724174787She's not happy and smiling in Versos ending, you are delusional.
>>724175060She does smile at Clea, but everyone mourning and being sad is the point of his ending.Because doing so shows the are properly grieving.
>>724148317>It's the opposite. Those who are well read on utilitarian and consequentialist ethics, as well as philosophy of mind pick Maelle's ending.Unless you're an antinatalist utilitarian, the utilitarian would pick Verso's ending because his ending enables Alicia, a god capable of creating worlds, to create countless more worlds (which you think is a good thing because you want this world to exist).>>724151669There's no indication that they're any different from Verso, Alicia, and Renoir, who are all also "real people" that the game relentlessly tells us are perverted creations. The Alicia ending is just Aline, but again (and probably worse).
>>724174446If I can create life on a whim, extinguishing life is less troublesome. She can create worlds of life. Two lives are paltry in comparison.>>724174498It's literally in Maelle's song. Sciel has Pierre in Maelle's ending anyway.
>>724175538Who gives a shit if she has Pierre, its almost guaranteed she cucked him with Verso, shes french after all.8goyx
>>724175269>>724175538The only one of them who I would trust to create life and care for it is Maelle, the rest of their family treats people as disposable playthings. And that is only true in her ending, where she lives on as their protector.
>>724167435>They are both presented equalYou are largely right, but they are not presented equal, and they're not for a reason. When people are intrinsically finding Verso's ending to be more pleasant than Alicia's, that means the devs are doing their job. Verso's ending is thematically consistent with the game's messages. Alicia's ending is consistent with the emotions of the player. The game wants you to make a cruel choice to complete the story, and gives you an option on what life is like if you don't. This is the exact choice that Aline makes before the game starts, and the game is not shy about what it thinks about Aline.
>>724176039Alright, so you agree we need to kick her the fuck out and let her create more worlds then, instead of killing herself in a few weeks trying to recreate a city she only vaguely knew.
>>724175269Renoir might be wrong for erasing them, but once that a done deal it becomes an entirely separate question where the answer is probably "No" under most most ethical systems.Antinatalist would obviously be against bringing them back on principle.At the time of the ending there's only 2 living lumerians, who already cheated death once anyway, not much of a genocide.
>>724176260No she should stay and protect the world she loves. Best case would be if she could sneak out and kill Renoir and Clea in their sleep so they can't cause any more suffering after she dies.
>>724170620>did you play the game>i know what burn victims look likeYou didn't play the game. Why are you here?
>>724142619The explanations for Verso's ending are self-defeating. If everyone in the canvas is artificial, which they are, then so is Verso. He was painted by his mother and made immortal by his mother. Therefore, if everyone's wishes and aspirations and struggles are irrelevant because they're artificial, then so is Verso's opinion because he is artificial too. That's why I picked the Maelle ending because the painted people put in what their perceived to be decade of struggle to overcome their plight, therefor they deserved an existence, as confined and artificial as it may be. The only thing Maelle should do is take away Verso's immortality if that bothers him so much, so he can end it with a flintlock or something.
>>724176445The world she loves is two people (not including Verso or pVerso), three simulacrums, and a lot of unpainted drafts. This is absolutely not worth preserving, and once she is expelled and in a more sober frame of mind she'll likely agree. And once she reaches an old age and you've killed yourself to avoid life, she'll draw you into one final painting where you can have been a woman all along.
>>724176821>The explanations for Verso's ending are self-defeating. If everyone in the canvas is artificial, which they are, then so is Verso. He was painted by his mother and made immortal by his mother. Therefore, if everyone's wishes and aspirations and struggles are irrelevant because they're artificial, then so is Verso's opinion because he is artificial too.This is a shit justification for Verso's ending. I don't get why people bring that shit up anyway, it's not like the game ever acknowledges it. Verso's ending justifies itself because it allows a family to move on after a tragedy. You don't really need to go deeper than that to find a reason to choose his ending, even though you can.
>>724142619Reddit has been better than 4chan for years now.
>>724176821I don't know why you guys keep saying that people who prefer the Verso ending don't see the painted people as real people.Everyone is already dead, now assuming you already know what each ending entails before choosing, you're given the choice of reviving everyone in a world that is bound to suffer again or to end it all now so that the gods of this world can never turn it into their plaything ever again.
>>724142619For the crime of lying, gaslighting and being a backstabbing nigger to his sister I sentenced Verso to being a soul battery forever.Shouldn't have killed Gustave you faggot.Now play that fucking piano.Don't lie to me if you don't want me to hurt you forever. If the people in the painting aren't real because they're in a painting, then by the Versofag logic I am well within my rights sentencing Verso to hell because he is in a videogame.
>>724177689Probably because Versofags love to act like they know everything yet for some reason ignore that the game tells you many many times that painted beings are made of chroma and their chroma doesn't "die" unless killed by a Nevron
>>724177852Anon their chroma is just sent back into the canvas, where Aline has more sway over it because she's way more powerful. They still fucking die. Nevrons just trap it, denying it to everyone. If Gustave dies and then you use his chroma to paint a table, you still just get a table.
Why do the people who claim to hate "Reddit" so much seem to spend so much time on reddit? They sure seem to know a lot about what is going on there.
>>724177852Chroma is just paint for painters to turn into whatever they fancy.
>>724176821The piece of real Verso's soul willingly wanting to leave the painting is justification enough for Verso's ending.
>>724177852Nevrons trap chroma and Maelle still cold still bring those back only as zombies. The chroma that made out long dead people has long since dissolved back into the world and got recycled into something else.
>>724177938>They still fucking dieAnd yet the game shows you their chroma can be used to revive them. Life in the painting doesn't follow the same rules as reality, not a hard concept to grasp.> If Gustave dies and then you use his chroma to paint a table, you still just get a table.And you could be reincarnated as an Indian which is an even lower form of life than a table.
>>724178294Yeah, if you GRAB it in your grubby little hands and then paint them again, you did it. You brought them back. Otherwise, you're shit out of luck. I mean there's a reason Alicia brought back Lune and Sciel, and not literally everyone. She grabbed the blueprints.
>>724177021>Verso's ending justifies itself because it allows a family to move on after a tragedy.Only this isn't shown in the game at all. The last scene is Maelle standing alone while her parents hug and her sister looks at her with cold indifference.Even there, in the "real" world (and we're not even sure it isn't another painting, just look at the background) she has delusions about the only people who cared about her.Everything she predicted her life would look as has come to pass.
>>724178520I'm rescinding your media literacy medal.
>>724142619The Maelle ending would have some more merit if Maelle wasn't canonically a shit paintress. Lumiere is still in shambles in her ending because she can't fix shit.
>>724178247That's probably because the chroma doesn't really hold information, she's turning chroma from dead bodies into undead husks while she painted the people she knew from her memories.
>>724178593>Lumiere is still in shambles in her ending because she can't fix shit.The developers admitted in an interview this is because they couldn't afford to render a rebuilt Lumiere for a single scene.>>724178573>I'm rescinding your media literacy medal.Get behind the piano, Verso.
>>724145768>Fake game for w*men and tranniesMore for gaping mouthed 35 year-old millennial s01fags, they absolutely adored this overly pretentious artsy-fagsy frog Final Fantasy ripoff
>>724178829>Final Fantasy ripoffLOL, weeb is mad the French did a better JRPG than his Grorious Nippon. Once again proving that European studios shit all over them effortlessly.
why does every excrement 33 thread seems like its bots replying to themselves using chat gpt in an attempt to seem like people actually have interest in this shit game and story
>>724178829Why don't you piss off back to fortnite and let the adults enjoy their game
>>724178903figures that a faggot e33 enjoyer like you hates actual good vidya. kill yourself faggot.
>>724179016Because you're an angry schizophrenic nigger.
>>724179091>>724179016LOL Japan is shit at developing game when they don't rip off the West, sorry Takaishi Jones.
>>724179108>nigger careful faggot, what will your xisters think if they saw you using this no no word
>>724173907>>724174587>>724174046It's Gustave's protege you're all clinically retarded
>>724160597I cry like a little bitch when painted Verso tells Alicia "you're okay" because thats the same last words real Verso said to her as well.
>>724178721>>The developers admitted in an interview this is because they couldn't afford to render a rebuilt Lumiere for a single scene.uhhhhh didnt they have one from the start of the game?
>>724142813/thread
>>724178903I'm not into weebshit at all, actually, and I've been completely burnt out from JRPGs a long time ago. I thought I could maybe have enjoyed this JRPG more because it was western, but being made by the French should have been a red flag. I'd much rather deal with a weeb story and bishonen protagonists than this pretentious artsy-faggy frog bullshit
>>724164406>Maelle's "madness" was not wanting to see an entire world and its populace destroyed after living an entire second life there with people that treated her better than her actual family.Okay seriously just stop this lie. You can defend Maelle's ending without lying about her intentions. Maelle literally does not give a single fuck about anyone in lumiere besides her friends and family, she quite literally felt so isolated from the general populace to the point she hated it and decided to go on a suicide mission just to get away from the city. She cares about Gustave, Sophie, and her friends. She does not give one single fuck about anyone else
>>724169357>and now the tranny responds with a deflection
>>724179645You're such a dumb faggot, Ryushiki McCreed, that you contradict yourself within your own post.>>724179358That's the same decayed Lumiere, only with different lighting.
>>724179645>haha le french people amirite reddit
>>724179912Sure thing Jacques, go back to making cheese, bread and wine because that's all you're good at
>>724142619>actual millennials writing>zoomers cant get enough of it and actually argue about the best ending onlinecave story, undertale, apparently, expedition 33, what is it about millennials that they write extremely popular and enduring stories and characters? Is it growing up with all the good stories before they went to shit?
