why can't we have a decent cross-platform platform fighter with a solid player base?
>>724152010brawlhalla is all of those except decent
Riot's fighter should've been a platformer
>with a solid player baseNever.
>>724152010because despite what butthurt mouthbreathers on /v/ would like you to think it's akshually hard to make nintendo-like games well
>>724152672GAS CHADS WW@???
>>724152672that will come naturally if the games good. no, rivals 2 is not good
>>724152010>platform fighterwhen and why did zoomers invent a dumb term for games trying to be melee?
>>724153510no, we are not going to call them "smash clones" or "melee clones". platform fighter actually makes sense
as a total package smash bros is unbeatable and you have to appeal to inherent minorities (comp players, ips that have to compete with nintendo) to get a niche in the market
>>724153558>weshut the fuck up zoomer nobody plays your fake genre, they play melee
>>724152010The audience is incredibly autistic so the only other attempts in the genre are from pokemon/.sonic tier fans who have the shittiest aesthetic taste in the entire industry. Attempts from actual game companies are cash grabs for 6 year olds.>>724152302This is correct, riot had the exact formula for success, in an untapped market with 0 competition and they chose a boomer dead end instead
>>724153646melee isnt even the most popular smash
>>724153837of course it is, that's why nintendo can't rerelease it, it would kill their dlc cashgrab, smash has been shit since brawl
>>724152010>decentRivals of Aether 2>cross-platformRivals of Aether 2 in 2026>solid player baseLikely Rivals of Aether 2 after Workshop and cross-platform. It's far from a Discord fighter, but RoA1 Workshop content still attracts more attention than RoA2 itself, even though that doesn't directly translate to player.Your options are essentially:A.) Accepting that RoA2 is the only platform fighter that will fulfill these criteria, even though it doesn't fulfill them nowB.) Some sort of monkey's paw situation where Multiversus is resurrected and magically becomes a good game
>>724154126>furry gamenope, might as well be banking on thems fighting herds to save traditional fighters, total delusion.
>>724152010Because the only one that will ever have Nintendo characters in it will never be cross-platform.
How did the rivals community end up being even more trans than melee and p+? when rivals 2 was new i quickly realize everyone in the community was either trans or the trans persons boyfriend
>>724154303It's the only decent non-Smash platform fighter that isn't dead as a door nail, and the only one that has a future. If you're such a self-conscious faggot that animal characters make you cringe, there's about 100,000 other pieces of media I could tell you to stay away from.
Why aren't you just playing Ultimate? Switch are hella cheap and there isn't a single game as good as it.
>>724154612because i dont like pressing a button only for my input to come out 3 seconds later
>>724154641Skill issue
Rivals of aether 2 is unironically the best plat fighter i have ever played.It plays so nicely, even though the character i like playing is ass tier.I wish riot's fighting game was just a RoA2 clone.
>>724154817rivals 2 isnt even as good as melee so why would they chose it as their blueprint over melee
>>724154612>Singleplayer content isn't very good despite how good of a director Sakurai is and how much content he included>Spirit matches are the only fun content but are broken by spirits themselves>11 frames of unavoidable input delay.>Local multiplayer is nonexistent now that I'm an adult, nor do I have any interest in associating with Ultimate's community locally>Online multiplayer is fucking AIDS filled with wi-fi warriors playing the most cancerous characters in the game, and it suffers further from the aforementioned input delay>Trophies were better than Spirits, I miss looking at 3D modelsAmong other reasons, mostly related to game balance. I put a lot of hours into Ultimate in the past, but every time I've tried since stopping years ago, I immediately felt how bad the input delay is and turn it off.
>>724152010smash bros isn't actually a good game. it just coasts by having pikachu and link on the box. it's like trying to make infinity war but with all original characters. there's nothing beneath the crossover.
>>724154817You're not allowed to say anything nice about Rivals 2, it just ends up pissing people off. I don't think it's the best platform fighter, but it's the most fun I've had playing one since Melee and PM, and it's nice that I don't need to sweat as hard as I did in Melee.>the character i like playing is ass tierWho?
>>724154962RoA2's tech is far more accesible, that is necessary, melee is the best smash to watch, but the worst to play for newcomers.
>>724154490yiff in hell
>>724155197Loxodont.
>>724154442League of Legends characters would've been fine.
>>724154490>not liking furry shit is because you care about what other people thinkNo you retard, I dont want to fuck animals, next you'll be accusing me of pretending to be straight because I'm too self conscious to play your gay yaoi fighter. There is absolutely no reason for the genre to be in such a sorry state, all it takes is a developer who isn't an autistic degenerate to make a nice looking game.
>>724155258accessibility isn't as important as you think it is. if it were melee wouldnt have lasted as long as it did. it turns out the game just being good is actually more important, wow who couldve guessed
>>724155276But I'm not a furry
>>724152010in the end, it's all about the cast.
>>724155418yet you are advocating for furfag software, curious!
>>724155356No one said anything about fucking animals except you, freak. Fuck off.
>>724155450I'm telling OP there's a good game he can play the fulfills his criteria, if he's not a self-conscious faggot :)
>>724155618rivals 2 is fucking boring, anon. no one wants to play a game filled with nothing but gimmick characters all with smash ultimate tier recovery. also the combos are too easy, it just makes the game not feel satisfying to play.
>>724155448this. gameplay is irrelevant. it's just about mario fighting pikachu or bugs bunny fighting rick & morty. you ever see those people who go to smash tournaments wearing all green and a luigi hat because they play luigi, or otherwise covered in their character's merch? that's what sucks people in.
>>724155493yes, tell me about how furry millennial artists aren't actually sexually attracted to animals, they just cant help themselves from obsessing over anthropomorphic animals for no reason. everything about that game stinks of furry culture.
Jump ultimate stars could have been the high budget smash bros clone/platform fighter. Now jump has no marketable or recognizable nekkesu protagonists so we will never see a good manga smash clone game. Jump force was a travesty
>>724155865Again, you're the only one talking about this. There is nothing sexualized about the character designs, and furries here regularly bitch that the characters "aren't sexy enough". You seem to be obsessed with furries.
>>724155952I remember that, I think the problem was international licensing meant that it was impossible to release outside of japen.
>rivals 2300 playing. it's over. riot had it in their hands to save the genre.
rivals 2 character designs are objectively bad>furries hate it because they arent hot>everyone else hates it because theyre furries
>>724155989Im not the one trying to get others to play rivals, I resent that the platform fighter genre is destined to die because the fanbase is so autistic and unappealing
>>724156246I suggested Rivals to OP because it fulfills the criteria he laid forth:>decent>cross-platform>platform fighterAlso>autistic and unappealing
>>724155783Pokken was outsold by guilty gear. what sells fighting games is character design and mechanics, not pre-existing brands. We already know people love platform fighters, we are just waiting for one with good character design.
>>724155380in the early 2000s, being able to do special moves and beat the AI was considered skill. the minimum standard has skyrocketed in recent years because online and especially rollback connect you to people way better than you.we had to sit through 20 years of mouth breathers chanting "FIGHTING GAMES ARE JUST ABBBBA UP DOWN UP DOWN START START START DOWN TO THROW A SINGLE PUNCH, SEE ME IN SMASH" and now you're claiming smash is inaccessible. no, i'm not accepting the revisionist history.
>>724156471Pokken didn't sell because it was marketed to the wrong audience. It's like Riot trying to get LoL addicts to play a fighting game: 99% of Pokemon fans aren't going to play "Tekken, but Pokemon", and Tekken fans have no reason to abandon Tekken for a WiiU-exlucsive 3D fighter.
>>724156402>solid player base [X]>cross-platform [X]>decent [X]>platform fighter [check)your suggestion only met 1/4 of the criteria
>>724156246It's not a genre, there is smash bros and a bunch of devs that tried to get smash bros money.
>>724156402He's asking why we cant get a decent platform fighter and I'm providing the answer. They keep releasing shitty cash grabs for kids and furry games which then sends a signal to actual fighting game developers that there's no money to be made.
>>724156603>it's not a genre, there is only smash bros and a bunch of games similar to it
>>724156705all of those smash clones failed because they were awful games, not because theres no interest or money to be made
>>724156727Right, it's like if instead of being successful and creating the FPS genre, Doom clones ended at chex-quest and daikatana but with worse sales.
>>724156586There was no reason for a pokemon fan to play smash either yet they do, why? because it was fun, not exclusively because of the characters and IP, which you are asserting. If smash was lame like pokken then it would have died on the nintendo 64.
>>724156838yes... thats the point i just made.
>>724152010Uhhh is that a non-final destination map I see? Immediately quit the match and change the map. You see I can't adapt to a stage that isn't a single large perfectly flat platform.
>>724152010Slippi works on any laptop.
>>724156998no it isn't. it shouldn't signal to the riot devs that the genre isn't worth giving a shot because there's no money to be made because it isn't true, there is a lot of interest and money to be made, it is the easiest possible way to make money as a triple A studio right now. theres a hole just waiting to be filled by anyone willing to fill it
>>724157274And yet it did. When multiversus flopped they cancelled their own smash clone. you aren't arguing with me, I'm making the same point, argue with the boomers analysing the market and the retarded fans shitting out ugly games nobody wants.
>>724152010Because every other smash clone tries to be comp game first, casual *maybe* second.Appealing to Meleefags(such as myself) is pointless. Some people try the "new comp Smashclone", do few tournies, and then go back to Melee.Why?Because we want to play Melee even with all of it's flaws. Make a fun game first with casual appeal without it taking away from good gameplay, and you'll have at least a chance. And leave mtx battlepass shit away, at best add dlc later in line if the game does well.Seriously stop making with comp scene in mind. You are appealing to fraction of a playerbase.
>>724157579nobody cares about any of this shit, just make a game with cool characters, nice graphics and fun gameplay, people dont analyse whether to get into a game based on where it falls on the competitive to casual spectrum. They also need to stop appealing exclusively to tendies, we dont need knock off nintendo mascots, they already have smash and they continue to play smash regardless of how shit it gets because they want nintendo characters.
>>724157579>Why?>Because we want to play Melee even with all of it's flaws.cant relate. i come back to melee because the smash clone i just tried wasn't as good.
>>724157448was it really because mv flopped or because they put all resources on 2xko?
>>724159176>Pool Party’s cancelation was precipitated in part by a reassessment of consumer appetite for a Smash competitor. According to sources familiar with the project’s development, executives at Riot were spooked by what they perceived as the failure of MultiVersus, a free-to-play fighting game starring characters from franchises owned by Warner Bros.
>>724157274The most depressing part is the only developer who currently understands the hole in the market is fucking bungie, not capcom or arcsys, or SNK.
>Make the best platform fighter ever>Great movement, insane combo game, incredible speed and a good engine.>Up the ante and use black magic to add workshop adding years worth of custom content.>Make a sequel>Drop everything that was cool from the first game>Most combos are gone, game is slower, Everything is super safe and the game has a major focus/emphasis on defense.>Floorhugging>Include a MTX store>Become a boring melee clone. >Melee fans still prefer melee over it.>Rivals fans still prefer Rivals 1 over it.I'm glad Rivals 2 is doomed it's incredibly unfun and soulless>>724152010But to answer your question OP a lot of platfighter fans are primarily nintendo loyalists and the people trying to break into the genre are far lower budget and lack of recognition. It's akin to trying to make another site like youtube or another google when most people are just going to stick with the more recognizable option. But Brawlhalla is crossplay, free, and surprisingly big. Over 13,000 people are online on steam at the time of posting this. Can't comment on the gameplay though, Looks kinda ass.
>>724153510>le zoomersI've seen the term "platform fighter" used as far back as like, 2004. Zoomers were still in diapers at that point.>like meleenobody uses the term like that, it's referring to ALL smash clones, not just melee
>>724153510it still makes more sense than “anime fighter” which means just a fighting game with an air dash
>>724160802anime fighter makes perfect sense since they all have the same anime aesthetic and they are all from the same 2d lineage.
>>724160121obsessed
>>724152010Meleejews are too lazy to play anything else
>>724162004why should i play anything else? melee is already the best platform fighter
theres an EU rivals 2 tournament happening right now on the official roa channel and only 200 people are watching it. one of the players currently on screen is a tranny named alice. also the caster is trans. this is why no one is watching or playing rivals 2
>>724164753Trannies and fags are everywhere in the smash scene, these games just attracts them, man.I know a bowser main that is a bara gooner, lmfao.
