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>>724154746
it just works

>>724154859
is there a catch to this?

>>724155229
the only "catch" is that since IoT version is supposed to be used exclusively for IoT devices after the extended support ends (2 years from now I believe) most companies will stop supporting win 10.
Does that mean that you won't be able to play games or use new versions of software? Unlikely just look at how so many things STILL work on win7 to this day but it does mean that after 2027 you might start dealing with issues.

>>724154746
I will install fucking Arch Linux before I ever use Windows 11.

>>724156889
I'm hoping that all the fuckups Microsoft caused with this, is going to motivate developers to support more platforms like that. Steamdeck helped a little with the games.

>>724154746
i have a windows 11 laptop and it's the worst piece of shit software i've ever used, even after hours of registry key fuckery
my desktop will never be tainted such

Still on 7, thanks

>>724156889
Seriously. I'm not using an OS that has computer-breaking AI bloatware permanently installed. I don't want to have to learn Linux but this is my red line.

>>724154746
why the fuck would I buy a new PC just to use Microsofts latest shitpie?
eat a cock shillboy

>>724157638
I haven't seen a single instance of AI anything in my entire time having 11.

>>724155229
It's free.

Win7 black(ed)

>>724154746
ESU

>>724154746
Yes.
Windows 11 looks like and works like shit, it's as if I was using some shitty Linux "desktop", something I will never do.
MS better fire those pajeets or keep their shit covered hands out of Windows 12 or else we're all fucked.

>>724154746
why do you not?

>>724157903
its running in the background watching everything you do and reporting it back to MS using telemetry.

wireshark will show you it in action

>>724157442
Same boat. My laptop came with Win11 installed and after a few months, the updates clogged it up so bad, that it couldn't even install any more. I had to reinstall with Win10 and and it's fine now.

>>724155229
If it's a new installation you won't have microsoft store right away (can be installed later) but that's it, I think.
It'll give you more time with win 10, hopefully by the time Microsoft un-retarded their developer team and pulled out a working win12.
That, or Linux reaches the same level of user friendliness windows has.

And if W11 is forced. Just get a second SSD and use W11 LTSC IoT just for games and Linux on the other. Kinda annoying you'll have to dual boot though. It seems the only way forward.

>>724158240
>its running in the background
Only on copilot laptops for now and even there, can be uninstalled/deactivated pretty easily with O&O ShutUp10++

>>724158240
time.microsoft.com and the updater doesn't count, it's been doing that for decades. I block ms servers anyway so no they aren't. For people so schizo about spying they sure don't have a problem with advertisers tracking them across different websites, which using linux won't do anything about (and will actually make you easier to track since using linux puts you in a smaller tracking demographic).

Why do I need to upgrade to 11?

Sir! You need copilot in notepad, sir! Your simple note taking app will be much improved with nebulous outgoing calls, sswgv0ir!

>>724154746
First of all, what's with retards being so reticent to upgrade? I've moved to W11 years ago. You hated 10 when it came out, now you love it?

Secondly, I'm already on Arch Linux. Fuck Microsoft, the year of the Linux Desktop is here.

>>724154746
I don't understand why so many people love Windows 10 but hate Windows 11 when they practically 95% similar in look and feel. Is it just poorfags coping with the fact their system is outdated?

>>724158954
>You hated 10 when it came out, now you love it?
>you complained about standing knee-deep in shit, but now don't want to move into the waist-high shit pool? Why, do you love the knee-deep pool now?

>>724159070
Kill yourself. I don't care if your post is ironic shitposting. End your life.

>>724159070
It's just tech illiteracy plus /v/ contrarianism.

>>724159187
If I sperged out as much as some of you fags do, I'd have moved on to Linux earlier. A knee-deep pool of shit is still a pool of shit. >>724159070 is spot on as well.

>>724154746
Microsoft just won't stop fucking up, holding off while I have the option to see if they get their shit together.
Also while my desktop can run 11, my laptop can't. So it's staying on 10, and eventually linux if I'm still using it by the time updating is really needed.
Honestly linux looks more and more promising. Used it for about a month in 2021 and it was already okay then, the way things are going it seems more possible than ever to ditch windows as my main OS.

>>724154746
I switched to Windows 11 in 2023 and I'm enjoying it.

>>724155598
Wait really? Well what happens when the IOT period is over? I think it's what I have installed.

>>724158954
>You hated 10 when it came out, now you love it?
no one loves it. it just isn't as bad.
the AI shit is a line in the sand. i do not need a keylogger sending every stroke to nadella.

>>724159646
CachyOS, Mint, Fedora, Ubuntu, ZorinOS, and Bazzite all look very promising.
The only issue is, having an nvidia gpu pretty much forces you to stay on windows for now. Only ZorinOS claims to play nicely with nvidia at the moment, and they are a centralized company which is anti-linux as far as the community is concerned.

>>724159940
Nvidia works fine on Linux for 90% of your use cases, keep Windows on dual boot for the cases it doesn't, tell Microsoft nothing, put nothing on your browser, use it like a gaming console.

You should avoid unoptimized AAA slop that's thrown out there anyway.

>>724158954
Don't want to beta test. Seen enough videos showing worse performance in games on Windows 11 to avoid upgrading until I absolutely have to. 10 just works. There's not a single feature or optimization of W11 that makes me want to use it.
I'm also playing Ninja Gaiden 4 with October 2024 graphics card drivers and it just works. If I update my drivers, it changes nothing for this latest game's performance but gives me worse performance in Lords of the Fallen and CEMU. Why in the world would I upgrade anything unless I need to?

because win 10 ltsc iot lasts until 2032 and is better and faster than win 11 and linux

>>724160407
Dual boot risks both OS's crashing and losing all data. I'd rather have 2 PCs than waking up one day to lose all my saves without knowing what happened

>>724160530
>Dual boot risks both OS's crashing and losing all data.
Normies truly are retarded. You should 100% stay on Windows 11 saar

>>724160761
It is a risk, only a liar would say it isnt. It might be a low chance but I'm not taking it.

>>724160530
>Dual boot risks both OS's crashing and losing all data.
If they're both on the same drive.

>>724160940
Explain to me, how exactly this would happen. Even with two OS on the same disk. How the fuck would an OS "crashing" cause it to somehow override all the data on disk, on all partitions?

If you don't know what you're talking about, stfu instead

>>724161402
What's involved: Windows uses its own bootloader (e.g., Bootmgr or EFI boot entries), while Linux typically uses GRUB. During Linux installation, GRUB often replaces or modifies the Windows bootloader to handle dual booting.
Risk of data loss: If the bootloader installation goes wrong (e.g., GRUB fails to detect Windows properly or writes to the wrong EFI partition), it can make one or both OSes unbootable. Attempting to repair this—such as using Windows recovery tools or reinstalling GRUB—might inadvertently wipe boot sectors or partitions. For instance, running Windows' "Startup Repair" could overwrite GRUB, and if not fixed carefully, repeated fixes could corrupt the drive's master boot record (MBR) or EFI system partition, leading to broader instability.

Risk of data loss: If you access shared partitions (e.g., a data partition) from both OSes, improper shutdowns, driver issues, or permissions mismatches can cause corruption. For instance, hibernating Windows and then booting into Linux might lead to write conflicts on NTFS, corrupting files. Over time, this could spread if the drive's overall integrity is compromised (e.g., bad sectors develop and aren't handled properly by one OS).

Risk of data loss: A Windows update might alter the boot configuration in a way that breaks Linux access, or a Linux kernel update could mishandle the shared drive. If Secure Boot is enabled/disabled incorrectly, it might prevent booting altogether, and forceful fixes (e.g., resetting BIOS) could lead to partition mismatches. In rare cases, driver conflicts cause overheating or excessive wear on the drive, accelerating hardware failure.

I see a lot of guides for disabling Win11's bloat and AI crap. Some even working on overhauls with old versions of Notepad, etc.
I wonder how reliable that stuff is, or how it stops Microsoft reverting everything back.

>>724162089
What you should be wondering is why the fuck do you need to look that up to begin with, for an alleged "user friendly" system.
YYou looking that shit up borders on beaten wife syndrome. Just leave.

>>724161720
Nice retarded ass ChatGPT answer as expected from the tech illiterate retard. All of these affect your BOOT PARTITION, which is REPAIRABLE and in no way affects the data that's in your other partitions. If you're retarded enough to somehow override other partitions during repair (something that can also happen at any point when installing an OS, or even from using any disk tools), then you're just a dumb motherfucker, which we all know you are.

>>724161402
Windows always assumes it owns the entire computer, and gives zero shits about what else is on it.
It does not recognize linux filesystems, nor the linux boot process. If it ever wants to tweak booting or "empty" partitions, it will happily clobber whatever linux has put there.
It would be very easy for windows to recognize the setup and not destroy it. The fact that they haven't after it being a known problem for years is actively malicious by microsoft.

>>724154746
Too used to it, and too lazy to bother installing the new one for now.

In 5-10 years when w11 support is over you will be crying about w12 or whatever the fuck is coming next.
XPfags said win7 is the end of windows too you know.

>>724162424
When has this actually happened? If you're paranoid enough, use two different boot partitions on two different drives.

I have a reaaaaaally hard time believing that Windows would somehow just take one of your plugged in drives that it knows fuck all about, and somehow mess with it. If it messes with your boot partition, that's just annoying but easily fixable, although that's also a rarity.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5TJ4V0q59QI&pp=ygUPd2luZG93cyAxMSAyNWgy

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>>724154746
i don't, i upgraded to 11 a few months ago

>>724162176
Believe me, I'm sticking with Win10 for as long as I can, but MS is determined to get people into their dataminer business. 11 will start becoming the minimum requirement for new games and software, eventually.

>>724162342
I explained, cope. You were wrong.

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>>724154746
Did somebody draw a dying Tan for this like they did with XP-tan?

>>724163185
I suppose I'll stat worrying when it's a hard requirement for anything that's not copypasted McGoyslop game that, modern shaders aside, plays like anything from the PS3 era.

>>724154746
Because it doesn't have "Copilot for Gaming" and doesn't send screengrabs to Microsoft without permission, like Windows 11 does.

https://www.techpowerup.com/342179/copilot-for-gaming-screenshots-your-games-uploads-them-to-ms-enabled-by-default

>>724154746
13 year-old fossil laptop that originally ran Windows 7, with no proper replacement in sight.

Also, even if there was a replacement, I'd rather return to win7 or move to Linux, consequences be damned.

>>724163212
You didn't explain shit you normie faggot.
>Windows MIGHT fuck up your boot partition which you can totally just repair and you didn't actually lose any data
>If you press DELETE other partitions during repair process you might lose data lol
>If you use an OS from the 90s that somehow improperly shuts down devices, you might lose the chunk of data you were just editing

I said it already. Stay on windows. Tech illiterate fags disgust me, you haven't got the slightest clue about how your OS or drives work

>>724154746
Because it still works. In another half a year I'll buy a new SSD though, I plan on either dual booting or switching entirely to Linux Mint then.

>>724155229
the "catch" is that you have to pirate it (if you aren't an actual business with an enterprise contract) so moralitycucked normalfags who refuse to violate copyright cannot get it
takes all of 5 seconds to activate with massgrave though

>>724158954
>First of all, what's with retards being so reticent to upgrade? I've moved to W11 years ago.
In all that time have you seen any genuine improvements to the end user experience beyond "it's newer" and "trendier looking UI"?

>>724163686
Coping. Why cant people just admit they were wrong?
Funny you told me to shut up when you dont know something but here you are unable to stop replying

>>724158131
>Windows 12
With how much Microsoft has fucked up the last decade, I wouldn't be surprised if they try something stupid with Win12 like making it subscription-based or something. It will be their ruin as Windows is the only thing that props them up (XBOX is dead, Gamepass is a bleeding wound, no one likes their shitty apps, their phone and laptop forays have been disastrous).

>>724164941
I see no point to these questions. To avoid an update you'd have to tell me how much worse has it truly got? It's the same old Windows slop as it's always been. 7, 10, 11, same shit, yet some people have to always be dragged by their hair to upgrade. You know what Microsoft is, just switch to Linux already bro.

>>724163686
>normie
Self-report on you being the normalfag. Also if your computer loses power as it's booting that is how you can brick 2 OS's simultaneously. Happened to me during a blizzard.
So yes you were wrong. Have some humility, redditnigger

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>>724154746
Because Windows 11 is abysmal dogshit?

>>724165485
> how you can brick 2 OS's simultaneously
And how would this cause loss of your data turbofaggot? Pipe down cunt

>>724165373
>I see no point to these questions.
You truly don't understand the point of conservatism then. Why move to the new os that demonstrably adds new retarded shit like ai mode if it doesn't add anything that actually benefits me?
Why not just stick to the existing thing that still works fine? The tech industry is overrun with "new thing automatically better" retardation probably because the whole thing is controlled by mid 20s trendchasing zoomers with no life experience.

>>724165694
Because neither OS would boot? Causing me to reinstall a fresh OS?
God you are one insufferable retard. Go back to the hole you crawled out of, maggot

>>724165747
>Why move to the new os that demonstrably adds new retarded shit like ai mode if it doesn't add anything that actually benefits me?
Because the company that owns it does not want to continue to support it
>Why not just stick to the existing thing that still works fine?
You tell me?

>>724165962
>Because neither OS would boot? Causing me to reinstall a fresh OS?
And how would THIS cause data loss? You know you can still mount the disk and get your data right? Right? hahahahahaha holy shit. You know your data is still there right?

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>>724154746
Win11 is one the worst things ever conceived. I hate Linux but I legit dont have an option but to learn how to use it. Win11 is just diarrhea.

>>724166003
>Because the company that owns it does not want to continue to support it
This is not an answer to switch. I dont give a fuck what the company that owns it thinks. I care about the actual material benefits and downsides to me in the real world are. I won't swap until the lack of support makes win10 actually worse than win11.

>>724166273
>I won't swap until the lack of support makes win10 actually worse than win11.
You see? So you are forced to care about what the company thinks. You know what Microsoft is, just keep your OS updated, if you want more control you'll have to use Linux and even there you'll have to keep your shit updated at least from a security standpoint. A lot of software doesn't stand still, the world changes.

>>724166789
>You know what Microsoft is, just keep your OS updated,
you are retarded, you just completely ignored most of my post to repeat the thing you already said.
this blind acceptance of "new thing good" with no introspection is a cancer on the whole tech industry.

>>724166139
linux is still worse
somehow
probably because it has troons that fight over commits because of stupid gay shit all the time
pajeets still suck but at least I don't have to try and sift through git comments about stinkditch rotting problems to figure out why my game that protondb said was compatible doesn't fucking work

>>724167242
The retard here is you. I completely understand your point about conservatism and even agree, you seem too stupid to notice this? I'm telling you that Windows hasn't been that platform for the last 15 years.

You know or should know, that people that think as we do, should be using other OSes. I also never once said "new thing good because new", only that from a security perspective, you have to keep your shit updated.

>>724155229
the real catch is that this only guarantees you support from microsoft.
nvidia is already cutting your balls off next year. new games won't run. new hardware won't run.

>>724168620
>nvidia is already cutting your balls off next year. new games won't run. new hardware won't run.
Lol no, they won't do shit for at least another three years. The majority of people are still on Win10.

>>724168685
https://www.ghacks.net/2025/08/01/nvidia-reveals-when-it-will-stop-supporting-windows-10/
nvidia already announced they were dropping support next year, and that's just nvidia anon. everyone will drop support long before 2032.

lazy

>>724154746
I fucking tried but windows 11 does not know wtf a 5060ti Is and told me my system is too shit on a clean install, so after about an hour of watching dumbass pajeet youtube videos and trying work arounds I just said fuck it and installed ten again (which is also aids to deal with on a clean install in the current year)

>>724154746
I have a big peepee so I'm not allowed to use W11

>>724162089
if I wanted to fix my OS to make it acceptable I'd have stayed with Millennium Edition

>be me
>Win7 supremacist
>try out Loonix on a MemePad
>use it for a few years
>watch video about how Apple's new chips are actually good now
>buy a MacBook to try it out
>been a Macfag ever since

I will never touch a Windows product again in my life

>>724162089
be careful what guides you go around following, you can easily end up with malware.
i recommend leaving your OS as is or switching to linux.

It works well enough, and I feel a bit better having a separate Windows PC in case. Would prefer 7 overall, but my attempts to install it lately is giving me headaches, so LTSC will have to do.