>>724166825
>cash shop items that let you instant cast super-tier magic, no apparent cooldown
>cash shop items that let you change gear during combat
>cash shop items that let you unlock anything
yeah it was p2w

I don’t understand. This is the anime everyone was splooging all over themselves for the longest time? I seriously cannot comprehend how this anime got past the first season, much less any subsequent seasons. My mouth is agape at just how awful this anime is. I decided to give it a try out of sheer boredom just to see what all of the hype is about. Where do I even begin? Let me start with the premise

It has potential, but is utterly squandered by…almost everything else present in this show. A guy gets stuck in an MMO far in the future that would make Ready Player One look like the SNES era. But it’s so undercooked. It’s barely there. Apart from the occasional inner monologues and quirky antics with his two crazy NPC yandere I found myself almost forgetting that this entire world was still a mere MMO that went haywire for one player. It’s like the creator or writers of this wanted to make an isekai but to distance themselves from it as far as humanly possible at the exact same time. For reasons that utterly escape me, it’s as if the fact that Ainz is actually a player stuck in MMO is just window dressing to have an excuse to show some almighty lich tear apart NPCs with his own God complex. Kind of like Tron Legacy, only edgy and super dark for the sake of it. And if the protagonist didn’t bother ever leaving the computer space and just killed off a bunch of the programs for his own bloodlust.
(1/???)

>>724167148
The creator wants to have his cake and eat it too. He wants to show a world filled with bloody violence, actual consequences, dark, grim ends for developed characters(to an extent) a la Game of Thrones without the actual impact of all of this occurring in the “real, living”” world. Granted, this is my main criticism of the isekai genre as a whole (at least pertaining to isekai that features protags getting transported into a virtual world.) However, this could be forgiven if the isekai was executed properly, as seen with other anime such as Mushoku Tensei or Skeleton Knight. Whereas the aforementioned examples try to breathe life in both the characters and the world in a manner that is conducive to the genre, Overlord ostensibly attempts to…ignore everything about its own genre for the sake of...honestly, I have no fucking clue what kind of story this show wants to tell. Which leads me to my next point–the protagonist

2. Mushoku Tensei and Skeleton Knight both accomplish what Overlord never seemed too intent on addressing–character development and motivation. For the former, it’s about some NEET who dies after a lifetime of humiliation and bullying, but gets a second chance at life in what is arguably one of the richest, most compelling isekai I have ever seen. But that’s just my opinion. As for the latter, it’s much the same as Overlord, With the key difference is that this protagonist seems to have a concrete goal in mind that is continually expanded upon in a narrative that is filled with levity and some darker themes as well.
2/4)

“But anon, what about Ainz’s goal to reunite with other players who found themselves in the same predicament?”

Skeleton Knight actually emphasizes its protagonist’s goals though. You know the protagonist, what he wants, his likes and dislikes, and what is aiming for (at least for now.) I cannot say the same for Overlord, with its sparse, throwaway lines of his mentioning what is essentially a passing whim to maybe…perhaps…get in touch with other players at some point. The pacing—indeed, the episodes themselves are not really played out in a way that would give the audience a sense of an overarching goal or even a temporary motivation out of this half-baked, overgrown undead who just happens to have great fashion sense.
(3/4)

>"No!"

>>724167401

Like with Overlord, the Skeleton Knight™ is trapped in an MMO. The show does not pretend that it gives a shit about finding a way for the protag to get unstuck from this foreign world, much in the same way Overlord does. But again, Skeleton Knight is upfront about its story, whereas Overlord is utterly disingenuous. What does Ainze want? To me, all he seems to want is to revel in his own situation, torturing and murdering NPCs out of his own lust for blood and God complex. Make no mistake, I am not criticizing this world’s blood, guts and edgy deaths out of some ethical protestation. Nor do I think anime is “satanic” like that faggot Matt Walsh asserted. (My favorite anime is Ninja Resurrection, blow me.) What I AM criticizing is the nonsensical and often contrived manner of showcasing all of it. As if the creator wants to see genuinely good, albeit flawed and misguided characters get torn to shreds for the sake of it. There’s no rhyme or reason to some of these episodes. Case in point: the episode in which Ainz slaughters an entire band of adventurers/looters because…he gets off on it? Is Ainz torturing characters with pathos (such as the half-elven lady and her lover and the girl who wants to erase her debt) supposed to endear me to this protagonist in any way? The selfsame protagonist whom I was watching just a season ago showing mercy to so many people, avoiding violence when necessary, as well as getting flustered over Albedo’s continual advances? Ladies and gentlemen, it appears we have a major problem concerning:
(I lied, 4/6)

>>724166825
Yes.
This is explicitly mentioned in the novel.

3. Tone. This show’s entire tone is about as consistent as freshly spewn-out vomit. Does the show want to be dark and gritty? Does it want to be more light-hearted with amusing tropes involving horny harem girls along with the dense, plucky guy being unable to keep his nose from bleeding like it was Niagara Falls? Overlord was apparently written by people with massive ADD, because the tone, the writing, the sub plots are all over the place. Sometimes it doesn’t even feel like Ainz is the protagonist here. Then again, I guess the creator loves spending an entire episode or two developing freshly introduced characters only to kill them off in a show that appears more concerned with masturbating itself over the power level of Ainz. Again, this really culminated during Season 3. What have I been watching for the past two and a half seasons? Was there a point to any of this? Because with the way the episodes are laid out it almost feels more like Cowboy Bebop than a show with an overarching narrative. And that’s a bad thing in this case. The protagonist is inconsistently written, the tone is inconsistent, the character focus is more scattered than buckshot, (seriously, who am I supposed to care about in this show?) and I am starting to suspect that this anime has no idea what it wants to do with its own characters, much like Bleach.
(5/6)

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>>724167635
4. Holy fuck the rancid CG is forced in EVERY SCENE. This fact alone should have relegated this abysmally overrated show to a premature cancellation mid season 1.

tl;dr: nu anime fans have the shittiest taste, and I cannot fathom how Overlord got so popular.
(6/6)

>>724166825
I forgot the most important one. Limited to 2 rings (one her hand) but can increase to 10 by paying money.

What are some MMO animes that are actually like MMOs and not power fantasy Skyrim?

>>724167901
Log Horizon is the only one where the author didn't go overboard romanticizing MMOs but a large amount of what's animated is just yapping

>>724167401
>—
your entire tirade is invalidated because it was written by an LLM

>>724169457
probably an indian

>>724167279
Hai to Gensou no Grimgar has got you covered, its also another realistic isekai anime, pretty gud too, but slower paced than most.

>>724167725
the show peaked in season 1. And they forgot, or at least never realised, the most profound part of the story, and have left it to die.

Which is, the MC loved his game, and was bored and lonely without his fellow guildies to play with. Now that his npc allies are 'sentient', its still not the same, and he misses those people. That was a plot-point that was abandoned very quickly in the show, and it was the one that i resonated with the most aswell.

As someone who loved raiding with a close-knit guild in the early years of WoW, i was very engaged with Overlord, for the first few episodes. It became power-fantasy cringe quite quickly though. The latest series and movies have been downright terrible, no idea why its soo popular.

>>724166825
yes it was a P2W but it was also cyberpunk future so the game company sent death squads to people who tried to datamine the game.

>>724167148
I can provide three pieces of insight.
First, the base material the story was made out of, was the creator's unused D&D binder. The inconsistent tone to worldbuilding can pretty much entirely be attributed to this. The material the story was made out of wasn't ever really intended to be woven together into a single narrative, the creator was just a DM with really bad player luck, so had a novel's worth of hooks, prompts, and scenarios. So he used it. It wasn't even chronological when first released for this very reason.
Second, the primary theme of Overlord is people filling roles, and the social pressure to conform to those roles.
The emotion suppressor Ainz has, beyond its fantasy and character implications, is the mallet that stops Ainz from expressing individuality outside of the role he has been forced into. Many, many characters are forced into strange roles by the story, and the absurdist interplay between people playing roles they niether want not understand is the pulp of the narrative. Overlord is, more than an isekai, more than a fantasy, an anime about corporate life and office politics, and the people following their job description even when it makes no sense.
Third, Ainz is not supposed to be seen as anything other than pathetic. Ainz is someone who cannot let go of a past that will never return, and is bitter that nobody appreciates his stewardship of things nobody wants. Even in a new world, Ainz cannot do things he wants, he is still locked in a holding pattern, just in case one of his old friends wants to come play again. He has been given true, godlike freedom, and all he has done with it is shackle himself to his old holding patterns, awaiting the approval of the memory of people who will never return. Nobody will miss Ainz in his home. He is incapable of moving on or enjoying life. He's undead, and lives in a tomb, literally and metaphorically. He's dead inside as out, he no longer seeks joy, merely the memory of past joys.

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>>724167567
>the Skeleton Knight™
>™

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>>724167148
Your expectations, what you want the show to be, just don't match what the show is trying to be. You're better off watching something like Log Horizon or Mynoghra. Overlord is a power fantasy anime (like most isekai) about a nigh-omnipotent being conquering a fantasy world. In that sense it's closer to something like Gate than something like .hack//Sign.

Log Horizon is about the playerbase of an MMO being transported into the world of that MMO, and then proceeding to analyze how MMO mechanics work in reality (how does respawning work? How do NPCs see players? Etc).

In Mynoghra the protagonist is a turn-based 4X player, but it does focus on the 'how does this game work in reality' aspect and likewise features a normal guy suddenly becoming an evil overlord.

>The selfsame protagonist whom I was watching just a season ago showing mercy to so many people
That's the character development you declared nonexistent. You gradually see the protagonist's morality decay as the actions required in his role does not match his moral compass, so as he performs more of them he gradually becomes colder and more uncaring. He's just doing his job. (Note the workplace language/comparisons early on, and look up the concept of 'banality of evil'.)

>>724167901
They barely exist because the modern isekai trend may be called 'isekai' but are in fact just power fantasy stories in a fantasy setting (and there's a similar, more recent trend of 'normal' fantasy stories with the same kind of power fantasy, sometimes called 'native isekai' as dumb as the term is). The 'game became reality' part is typically just the setup to base the power fantasy on. So the only series that come to mind trying to actually capture the MMO feel are .hack//Sign, .hack//Roots and Log Horizon; the former two predate the modern isekai trend.

>>724167901
I mean, best bet is probably stuff like Dungeon Meshi or Goblin Slayer, which has all the codifiers of isekai, even if they aren't, and tend to operate on very video game-ey or tapletop-ey logic.

>>724166989
Fpbp

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>>724167635
>a show that appears more concerned with masturbating itself over the power level of Ainz.
That is the main draw of the show. It's called a power fantasy, and most isekai are like this.

>Was there a point to any of this?
Yes: worldbuilding. In order for conquering the world to feel impressive, you need to explore the world and its people. In order for the protagonist's actions to feel cruel or impressive, you need to establish the victims and make the audience love or hate them first. This is true for nearly all stories: if there's a villain, it will have a kick-the-puppy moment for no other purpose than establishing the villain is evil. If there's a friend/ally/love interest, a part of the story will exist just to establish why the character is a wonderful person. Without following the characters for a bit and learning what drives them, their deaths would have no impact.

>Does the show want to be dark and gritty? Does it want to be more light-hearted with amusing tropes
Are you new to anime? In Japanese fiction (including video games) it's common to intersperse a darker story with light-hearted moments to make the darker aspects hit harder. Danganronpa for example does this especially well: there's plenty of fun time with wacky hijinks, and then your favorite character dies in a brutal manner. Without the fun times you wouldn't have such an attachment to the character and you would be better mentally prepared for his or her death. You need to have the audience let their guard down to be able to sucker punch them.

>>724172606
Wrong, Log Horizon baits you with the promise that it's about people exploiting MMO mechanics before revealing that it's about China, aliens that eat emotions, literal brain damage from reviving and the boring ass younger characters no one cares
And a lesson in how the Japanese are autistic and if you don't pay your taxes, they will destroy your career

>>724174276
>China, aliens that eat emotions, literal brain damage from reviving and the boring ass younger characters no one cares
not to mention the whole plot point about how your character can get disconnected with how you actually look, but luckily everyone either has one of those polyjuice potions or created their character with the right body type

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>>724173730
Both are more D&D than video games, and especially nothing like MMORPGs.

>>724174276
It's still the closest you'll get. Things like .hack just use the MMO as backdrop for a story, while things like Bofuri and SAO Alternative sacrifice game 'realism' to make it more compelling and series like Leadale or Kenja no Deshi just use it as setup to have a crazy powerful protagonist.

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>>724175104
It's not a 'plot point', it was briefly mentioned once as excuse to get Akatsuki in contact with Shiroe. It later briefly gets brought up again when it turns out that having a female character feminizes (former?) men, but again, it's just a bit of background lore and not given particular focus.

>>724167625
fuck its even mentioned in the anime, many times.

It just hit me
The trope where characters exposition dumps their mechanics and strategies actually makes sense in MMO land. In Bleach or the ugly pirate anime all the YouTubers watch it's just bad writing but in an MMO setting I can see a sweaty loser bragging about his build mid PvP

>>724167148
Ainz isn't stuck in an MMO. He's stuck in the body of his MMORPG character, but the world he's in is just a fantasy world, not an MMORPG world. But yeah, it's a great premise that goes absolutely nowhere, it's obvious he only had three volumes worth of material.

>>724176872
>not an MMORPG world
Many of the MMO mechanics still apply. He couldn't swing a sword (attempting to just made it drop out of his hands). Renner had to gain a negative karma to be able to open the seed of the fallen. The traps were all very RPG-esque, you see that when Climb opened the trap door and the retarded crossbow was pointing away from anyone who would have opened that trap door, but supposedly that was going to shoot someone if they opened it without disarming the trap.

>>724166825
>guild full of waggies
that's not surprising. what is surprising is that there was also a top end guild that only accepted Angels. it was even called "Seraphim"

>>724177092
Those are the influences and consequences of an MMO forcibly made real by Wild Magic. He's still not in YGGDRASIL, he's in a world that has become forcibly converted to inherit YGGDRASIL's qualities. Before the Dragon Emperor summoned the first set of players, there was no magic system or levels or karma. Characters such as Climb and Renner are not "NPCs", there is no game master who designed them, they are simply people in this distorted world.

>>724166825
Yes, that's why one of the guild's rules was that everyone had to be gainfully employed.

>>724178186
kek
>no freeloaders, everyone needs to put in money!

>>724167148
yeah i never got it either. Log horizon does it much better.

>>724166825
I like this show a lot, the itemization is cool. “World Items” is a really neat idea

>>724167148
Don't respond to AI written posts.

>>724166825
They outright say in the LNs that the reason his guild was so strong was because people spent so much money on bullshit cash items and other shit.

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>>724167148
zoomers are obsessed with power tripping animes for some reason
sure, when we were younger, itachi, goku, guts were OP, but the niggas still had their limits and got their ass handed to them from time to time

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>>724178912

Whatever the case might be, it's true.
Overlord is fucking shit. I can't believe I wasted 2 hours of my life watching the latest movie. The MANNER Movie segment was the only thing I enjoyed from that, It literally goes nowhere.
The anime was somewhat interesting but still mediocre, so much for "Overkill Guy".

>>724178912
a lot of normies will use AI as a prompt to refine their ideas. they will coach the AI to articulate what they want to say, and after enough iterations go "yeah, i like that"

its kind of like a dog that presses buttons to ask for food or to go outside

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>>724178912
Why do they even do that?
Sharty teens unironically use ai to bait instead of just typing it. The new generation of shitposters are so soulless.

>>724166825
>waggies
Is this furry terminology?

>>724166989
would it still be p2w if there is no endgame and pvp is an afterthought like most other mmos?

>>724166825
>story literally says that the game was both running retarded serverside locked mechanics that no one right in their minds would waste their time keeping a wiki for + being the most pay2win a game could ever been
>while having the main point of the Ainz being a wagie with literally nothing else to do with his money beside sink everything into his shitty gaming addiction

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>>724178621
Imagine you've been playing an MMO character for like four years, and one day you happen to piss off the one asshole in the world who has the Longinus, so he logs into an alt, retrieves the WI from storage, and clicks a button to delete your account on the spot. Fucking kusoge.

>>724172606
>You can be a dairy farmer swashbuckler

>>724180121
>account gets deleted
>there's a suspicious cash item that can return it from the "void" and costs 6 months worth of minimum wage + giving you a full month of immunity as courtesy your account is still getting deleted again after the grace period is over

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>>724166825
This anime pissed me off when I realized the novel its based on does not bother to follow up on the "other players potentially stuck in the new world" or even what the fuck the new world is or how Ainz got transported with his guild in it

>>724180121
i think most serious MMO players would be okay with having super OP weapons where only one exists, that could even do meta things like fuck with your account/character permanently

but no corporation would ever sign off on anything like that nowadays, but we've seen players still mod items in runescape before

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>>724173730
>Dungeon Meshi
jesus christ nigger, it's just fantasy, with solid world building to boot

>>724179896
The endgame is building a massive base (also p2w btw, you can get 700 total NPC levels but AOG has over 1000 from what I've seen, so you can pump money into your guild castle to just make it overpowered) and collecting world items and shit. I don't know about how p2w the pvp is, but you get a special class (World Champion) and shit from pvp, so there's a reason to be good or pay to be good for that.

>>724166825
that was my favorite part of the anime
when he wins against shalltear or whoever at the end of S1 because of his cash shop items
it provides a deep sense of realism to the setting

>>724180370
>does not bother to follow up on the "other players potentially stuck in the new world"
the whole point is that Ainz is stuck there alone without any players (besides maybe that undead in the mountain that the author probably forgot about) so he has to accept the fact that his "children" are the most important thing now

>>724175646
I'm not convinced Tetra uses a female avatar, i think he was gay enough to make a literal trap in game.

>>724180370
there's nothing to follow up on, Ainz is the only player to enter that world in the last like 500 years. MC is looking but there's nothing to find, which i'll give is a shame because Albedo murdering any players before Ainz finds out about them would've been kino.

>>724167901
log horizon is the only one I know
shangri la frontier is also good but thats going further towards power fantasy, still they constantly have to use mmo mechanics and video game logic

>>724180750
>>724181047
I would have liked to see an arc where there's another rival kingdom doing shady shit that ended up being another guild ran by one or two other idiots stuck in the same situation. I think there could have been a lot of great potential especially for an actual, high stakes pvp and guild battle with moral consequences for both sides but the author just seems content with writing slop.

>>724181640
yeah, that's just not the show you're watching though. sure, an arc like that would be neat, but it would also kind of undermine the entire setting which is about Papa bones having to come to terms with the fact that he is in fact the only one.

>>724180750
>>724181047
They strongly hint at others being out there at various points though, I get where that other anon is coming from. Blue balls

>>724182069
>They strongly hint at others being out there
Not from the same cycle as Ainz. Older players that are all dead, yes, but I didn't see anything that mentioned other living players.

>>724166825
Yggdrasil was extremely P2W, it seemed to have really cool ideas and active devs but holy fuck it was extremely cancerous and P2W.
It's honestly great worldbuilding since every other piece of dialogue about the real world paints it as a completely awful dystopia so it makes sense the games also suck ass.

>>724182147
The vampire shitter is another player.

Is the latest LN volume even translated? Or out? Or is the series dead because the author had a melty?

>>724167148
Is this a copypasta?
Anyway, the anime is bad but I really liked the novel series a lot. Classic case of a good book being turned into a mediocre adaptation

>>724182315
The one who is failing to solve a rubicks cube?

>>724182315
>The vampire shitter is another player.
evil eye is most certainly not a player, I'm pretty sure players don't have talents and that talents are something that only people born in that world have

>>724182406
last 2 novels aren't out yet
there was some vampire princess thing that he didn't want any gaijins to have, and had a melty about it when people "leaked" it

>>724182449
worse, it's ai slop

>>724182598
I saw people posting the translations on discord and didn't read it since I assumed it had fuckall to do with Overlord.

So two more volumes to go then? Last one was the... elf twins goto elf land and make friends right? What came of that

>>724182698
It's a gaiden story replacing Momonga's entry into the new world (launching him in 300 years before the main story's time frame and without the Great Tomb of Nazarick), and probably the best part of Overlord ever written because it actually has character development.

Did they ever explain how OP and broken other classes are? He was broken as shit as a necromancer/mage and I dont think they ever said what other classes can do

>>724174234
>that entire buff scene
God what I wouldn't give for a wizard to just point at him at the end and go "disjunction, motherfucker"

course a power fantasy anime like that would never, you'd have to look for something like Order of the Stick for that

>>724166825
Great series that filters cunts, retards, and fags.

>>724183052
Is it available to download anywhere, translated or Japanese?

>>724183052
Wait i thought that story happened already? With Ainz soloing a dragon with his staff?

>>724183085
he wouldn't buff like that in front of a wizard though? the whole point of that scene is that Shaltear was in full "NPC with no commands" mode so he had all the time in the world to prep.

anything involving Jircniv is kino, everything else is eh

I enjoyed OL then I read a xianxia webnovel and it was just what I like about OL but better

>>724183140
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1S-1gZsbSN4LVBdFMNLF0t1v44wxWyizF
Side Stories -> Bonus Volume: The Vampire Princess of Lost Country
>>724183147
Yes, that's what we're talking about anon.

>>724183247
which is fairly lame though, it's more fun if enemies are also aware of the mechanics and it's not just a protagonist superpower
or you know, at least halfway competent

in general hitting Ainz with a disjunction would be hilarious because not only does it dispel all his buffs, it destroys every magic item on him other than artifacts for which it's like 20% chance to destroy

him suddenly without buffs and without cash shop items

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>>724174234
Good points.

>>724172606
Mynoghra is cringe tho

>>724183493
for dusjunction to be that strong it'd have to be super-tier magic, and nobody is giving you time to cast that.

>>724183493
but the point of the scene is him using the opportunity to get off a ridiculous amount of buffs freely, that's the joke

>>724183703
Overlord is pretty obviously based on D&D 3.5 and disjunction is a 9th level spell in that, not even epic level magic
meaning any level 17 wizard upwards can cast it, which is still you know, archwizard territory, but not like Ainz isn't attracting that level of attention anyways

standard action to cast so perfectly combat ready

>>724182598
It wasn't the gaijins specifically; it was a limited thing that only people who bought all the blu-rays and went to the re-cap films were supposed to have. It's understandable if your shit is still small-time, but at 14 volumes and 3 seasons or what have you at the time, your IP is a successful franchise; he had to expect things wouldn't stay physically limited and not only would it reach a wide JP audience, but the wider global fandom too.

>>724183059
>He was broken as shit as a necromancer/mage
His build was average due to prioritizing fluff over crunch.
He seemed OP as fuck due to being max level in a world where 99% of the population is like below 10, he has an entire guild's worth of resources to throw at his problems and nobody has any of the basic bitch common sense precautions that all the players in the game had.

>>724182449
I've just read through all the volumes currently out and I have to disagree, I'd say the anime is honestly the better way to experience it.
The books are DREADFULLY repetitive in their writing style.
>Ainz smiled (although his face can't move)
>Ainz grimaced, even though of course his face didn't move
>Ainz was thankful his emotions at the time didn't show on his face

I honestly think the anime didn't really get rid of much good material at all for the adaption and most of the jokes/impactful moments work better animated. Plus the character designs are really good so seeing them on screen helps a ton.
I'd say Konosuba is better to read than watch, I do love its music, artstyle and VA work but the latest season really skipped too much stuff.

>>724183923
It's obviously retuned because YGGDRASIL is overwhelmingly imbalanced, though. The [World] buff on Ainz would definitely reject a debuff of lower caliber.

>>724183821
feels less like a joke and just more like a power wank fantasy

>>724166825
every mmo made in the past 2 decades is a gear threadmill with time gated content that serves as homework for salarymen
it's not possible to no-life an mmo anymore, the games physically don't let you grind
people that are addicted to grinding end up making alternate characters and alternate accounts to do more homework, the notion of constantly poop socking the same character a dozen hours a day doesn't exist anymore

>>724183923
Overlord is loosely based on 3.5 D&D. the 9th level spell Wish for example was upranked to "super tier magic - Wish upon a star", so no, it's not safe to just assume a D&D spell is the same tier in overlord as it is in D&D.

>>724184053
disjunction isn't quite a debuff it's more like magic itself being attacked, which is why it's the only dispel that doesn't need a check
you just point it at a general area (it's not even single target it's AoE) and magic goes nuts

>>724184250
his point still stands, just by holding a world item Ainz would be immune to disjunction.

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VRAINS is a better MMO Anime. Prove me wrong.

>>724184342
>so poorly designed they had to ban the MC's ace monster
even by yugioh standards vrains was a mistake.

>>724184330
that one is definitely debatable
now no NPC would ever use that spell because it's a power fantasy anime
but something like disjuction absolutely would be one of those things that strictly rendered his build in the MMO an RP build because any other player would just disjunction him if he went for a full buff cycle

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>>724184435
Cannon Soldier can go fuck itself.

>>724184507
It isn't debatable. The World buff completely invalidates essentially all non-World detriments. With it going he can walk right through barriers that should be dividing time and space.

>>724184098
>cheesing simple enemy ai to spam buffs is power fantasy
yeah okay

>>724184507
disjunction as you describe it would be banned in the MMO, because it would render ANY build worthless.
>fighter comes up to you
>lol disjunction, his gear all breaks, he can't do anything as a fly up and bombard him with spells
>monk comes at you
>lol disjunction, all his magical abilities fail, his gear breaks, and he can't do anything as a fly up and bombard him
>wizard comes up to you
>lol disjunction, all his buffs and gear is stripped.

>>724184507
>if he went for a full buff cycle
but he wouldn't do that in an actual engagement because it's highly impractical

Why didn't anyone try using a Phoenix Down on him ?

>The spell caused all magic effects and items to be broken down (or "disjoined") into their basic components
I don't see how that spell would be allowed to exist in some MMO where the point is to spend weeks/months grinding to build up your special magic items.

>>724184860
Because Updog would resist it.

>>724184741
unless access to that spell is gated behind the biggest P2W tier imaginable and cost thousands of IRL dollars to get access to a spell that can gameruin someone else

>>724184869
he's wrong about how it works on items for starters, every item gets a saving throw and if you actually succeed in breaking an artifact you (the caster) lose all your spellcasting ability forever.

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>>724167725
>Good setting
>Great voice actors
>Good music
>Original story angle
That is more than what most animes can do
It sucks because the author is braindead and developed nothing in his setting

>>724184869
simple you allow a spell like that to exist and also sell insurance policy items that replace any magical item destroyed by disjunction
I mean the MMO was hyperpredatory due to future corporate dystopian hellhole

>>724184986
you get a saving throw against losing spellcasting, and wizards tend to be pretty good at will saves
but yes items in possession of someone do get a will save

>>724185170
yeah but Ainz is loaded down with so many artifact tier items that you'd have to make that save like 10 times.

>>724184986
>if you actually succeed in breaking an artifact you (the caster) lose all your spellcasting ability forever
Well that sucks.
>you get a saving throw against losing spellcasting
And that sounds an awful lot like "Forgive me master. I have to go all out, just this once."

>>724171343
>>The emotion suppressor Ainz has, beyond its fantasy and character implications, is the mallet that stops Ainz from expressing individuality outside of the role he has been forced into. Many, many characters are forced into strange roles by the story, and the absurdist interplay between people playing roles they niether want not understand is the pulp of the narrative. Overlord is, more than an isekai, more than a fantasy, an anime about corporate life and office politics, and the people following their job description even when it makes no sense.
>Third, Ainz is not supposed to be seen as anything other than pathetic. Ainz is someone who cannot let go of a past that will never return, and is bitter that nobody appreciates his stewardship of things nobody wants. Even in a new world, Ainz cannot do things he wants, he is still locked in a holding pattern, just in case one of his old friends wants to come play again. He has been given true, godlike freedom, and all he has done with it is shackle himself to his old holding patterns, awaiting the approval of the memory of people who will never return. Nobody will miss Ainz in his home. He is incapable of moving on or enjoying life. He's undead, and lives in a tomb, literally and metaphorically. He's dead inside as out, he no longer seeks joy, merely the memory of past joys.

This makes the story sound kino as hell I must admit

>>724185217
only if you actually break some of his artifacts
and lets face it, Ainz absolutely reached the level of infamy where an enemy wizard who loses all spellcasting in exchange for destroying 10 of Ainz's artifacts would go "worth it"
especially because Ainz would you know, horribly murder him afterwards since he still has his spellcasting and would be beyond uber pissed off someone wrecked his cheat items

>>724167148
>I don’t understand. This is the anime everyone was splooging all over themselves for the longest time? I seriously cannot comprehend how this anime got past the first season
The books are better than the anime by far. That's the problem. Overlord was also one of the first adaptations (if we don't count OPM) to feature a truly busted protagonist that wasn't completely lawful good when the batch of these started churning out.

The story in the books have dropped in quality though, but it's mostly because the author just doesn't want to do them anymore.

>>724185291
meanwhile the master laughs because you're the 50th apprentice he's temporarily given the ability to cast disjunction and he's just using you lot as proxies to pull the trigger on a spell he's too scared of using himself

>>724185336
>>724171343
>The emotion suppressor Ainz has, beyond its fantasy and character implications, is the mallet that stops Ainz from expressing individuality outside of the role he has been forced into. Many, many characters are forced into strange roles by the story, and the absurdist interplay between people playing roles they niether want not understand is the pulp of the narrative. Overlord is, more than an isekai, more than a fantasy, an anime about corporate life and office politics, and the people following their job description even when it makes no sense.
Was this what the emotional limiter was? I thought it was just from his undead skills, but if it's some effect to force him to conform to his character backstory that is a lot cooler.

>>724185435
>and lets face it, Ainz absolutely reached the level of infamy where an enemy wizard who loses all spellcasting in exchange for destroying 10 of Ainz's artifacts would go "worth it"
bro, Ainz probably wasn't on most people's radar at all when his guild has monsters like Touch Me in it. nobody's gonna sacrifice their 3000 hours of play and probably $10000 of cash shop item wizard just to take out the... 14th? strongest guy in Nazerick.

>>724167148
>>724167279
>>724167401
>>724167567
>>724167635
What the fuck is this AI shit?

>>724185706
>I thought it was just from his undead skills
It is just that. Blue curtains etc.

>>724185752
oh no I meant post-isekai
prior to that nobody would bother for sure

>>724185808
>somebody writes out his point in multiple paragraphs
>braindead zoomers come crawling out of the woodwork calling it AI because they can't read more than a sentence before getting bored and looking at their phones

>>724185915
bro nobody is gonna bother typing ™ just for a random shitpost
not to mention the em-dash

>four volumes left
>waste two of them almost entirely on literally meaningless boring elf bullshit with nothing interesting going on and barely anyone likeable
>End the first one with a bombshell about a cool society, do nothing with it
>End the second one with a cool fight and an allusion to the conclusion of the only actual plot thread this series has had (the shalltear brainwashing)
>two volumes left to actually create a meaningful ending
>no player action so far, just recycled themes of everyone outside of nazarick being dogshit and Ainz trying to treat NPCs like humans even though they don't fucking care at all
>Tons of semi-interesting lore drops and opportunities to more solidly explore the effects of prior players on the world (the six gods etc), even if it was only through detached flashbacks just get ignored entirely

Man this series had a lot of potential at one point, I know its more of a comedy/satire anime but it really fucking overdoes the "overwork culture is BAD mmkay" angle to the point where I feel like the guy should have just written help books instead.

>>724186059
™ is alt+0153, which is four key presses, and the em-dash is indicative of nothing because the cadence and word path of the rest of the posts do not match any AI I'm familiar with. AI slop has it's own style and this reads more like anon copied it off of reddit or a forum.

>>724186059
i do occasionally type ™ while shitposting, although its been a while. soon™ was a meme for blizzard fans for decades. but yeah that shit is obviously AI.

>>724185909
>oh no I meant post-isekai
Ainz flat out is immune to any damage or effects cast by some sub 60 level faggot unless it is wild magic or something with is absurdly rare shit only dragons can do.
The people in the new world that can actually hurt him and are still alive can be counted on both hands, and there is no way they would kill themselves just to do that move, especially considering Ainz has equipment that while not quite as good, is still insanely powerful, and other people can spell cast also in his group.

>>724186059
™
I memorized that shit years ago. I bet you don't even have a numpad.

The anime sucks because Overlord doesn't translate well into the format. 99% of the LN is world building, dialogue, monologuing, and is just overall extremely slow paced. The "action" in the LN only exists in service to those points and are almost always extremely short bits.

>>724185915
What are you even implying?
He prepared this long argument to post on /v/ minutes after it was posted?
That he just went on a 10 minute spree typing all of this shit unprompted?
No one does this unless he's OP himself.

>>724186109
>waste two of them almost entirely on literally meaningless boring elf bullshit with nothing interesting going on and barely anyone likeable
Then the author has the audacity to say "next two are the last"
>no player action so far, just recycled themes of everyone outside of nazarick being dogshit and Ainz trying to treat NPCs like humans even though they don't fucking care at all
I don't mind this since it could still go somewhere, The ending is probably either gonna be a cluster fuck or open though. Unless the last two volumes are fucking huge, there is no way they are going to resolve everything at this point.
>>724186493
S1 is okay but otherwise yeah, people got the impression about it that it is supposed to be shounen fight focused when it isn't about that at all.
Honestly the last 2 volumes were such a waste. Even 14 had problems but 15 and 16 were actively wastes of time of huge parts of them

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>>724186428
Yeah bro I always randomly start spewing out multiple paragraphs of ranting in numbered bulletpoints with em-dashes and unicode characters minutes after a thread is make.
The actual FUCK are you talking about?

>>724186565
>>He prepared this long argument to post on /v/ minutes after it was posted?
Yes.

>That he just went on a 10 minute spree typing all of this shit unprompted?
Many, many threads on 4chan are made to give the OP an excuse to post a critique he could not find a more relevant thread for.

>>724186632
Yeah I have no idea how Overlord is supposed to end within the last two novels, even if they are huge I don't feel like the plot is focused enough right now to really create a satisfying ending.
I either expect some kind of betrayal by a Nazarick NPC since Ainz has been autistically focused on testing their loyalty for so long...or for Ainz to get killed off by some insane combination of Yggdrasil and new world shenanigans somehow.
It could have a very tepid ending where the Nazarick side just win anyway like normal, and the author is pretty fucking dull so its a real possibility.

>>724186661
Fuck off newfag

>>724186980
It's not even a fucking video game dude.

>>724187305
I'm saying he made the thread, which is off-topic, because he wanted to post his big Overlord critique.

>>724187082
>I either expect some kind of betrayal by a Nazarick NPC
They have been foreshadowing Albedo for a while doing that. Now the twins are suspicious of her because of some off handed comment Ainz made.
I expect that Albedo betrayal happens and Ainz either has to fess up to what the actual state of affairs are and that he is actually retarded and he finally gets to be treated as an equal rather than a super genius, or everything collapses. Or an open ending where some catastrophe happens and things look cautiously optimistic after. Though yeah it could be that Ainz and crew die or there is a timeskip and some faggot with world savior shows up and just kicks over everything Ainz built or something. The author does like dark endings and the editor had to tard wrangle him a couple times away from some dumb shit

>>724183493
That's literally the most awesome scene in the whole serie thoughtever.

>>724187417
Im aware.
Which is why I said "unless he's OP himself"
Still, no one uses em-dashes. Shits AI.

>>724186109
>>no player action so far
There will be no player action. All the players are dead. There was no one, not a single person on, when the servers were shutting down because Ainz was the only person miserable enough to just sit there on a dead game at midnight to get forcibly logged out. There are probably 5000 better DMMORPGs that exist, and Ainz was the only human on the planet who had enough of a nostalgia trip with Yggdrasil to actually stay logged in.

>>724166825
I assume every MMO in every anime is f2p, therefore p2w.

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