Can someone please explain how the fuck this company is still supposedly going strong when the industry around them is crashing with mass layoffs and sales failures?
They make games instead of woke movies
>>724177867Pokemon za cost $13 million to make and has already sold millions
>>724177867pic related
>when the industry around them is crashing with mass layoffs and sales failures?fake shit. stop believing every clickbait and twitter post that you see
Because they're always 1 generation behind the industry. In 7 years they will go through a fiasco as devastating as xbox. Before then you will begin to complain that their games are becoming exploitative to the consumer, and the ESG compliant content is worse.
>>724177867They make most of their money from IP licencing and are moving to patent trolling to shut down competition.
>>724177867used car salesmen
>>724177867they dont make games anymore, they just license cartoon characters and manufacture plastic junk so manchildren will buy it
>>724177923The Mario movie was woke as fuck with Girl Boss peach and damsel in distress Luigi.
Roblox
>>724177867because they make good games, have good merchandise and don't treat their employees like shit
>>724177867Have conservative budgets for their gamesKeep most of their IPs relevantMaintain a strong ecosystemNo skill shortage as a result of replacing skilled developers with cheap labor
>>724178391good one
>>724178424Conservative budgets? You mean shoestring budgets. Look how sad wokeymon looks these days.
>>724178307>female character does anything = wokeShut the fuck up you braindead nigger.
>>724178289This. If Nintendo weren't doing merchandising, the theme park and getting into movies and TV shows they'd be in a much worse state. That and making easy money selling the same game over and over to "Nintendo Adults" who wear Mario hats and shit
>>724178575They made Mario a bumbling idiot and made Mario trash, while Girl Boss Peach was perfect at everything the first time and she trained Mario and taught him everything he knew. A total woke shit show. None of that is true about Ayla, who's literally just a hot retarded cave babe that unga bungas. I don't even know why you posted her.
>>724178506it is true though, keep drinking that kool-aid gaynon
>>724178521>needs to sell 200k to profit>sells 6M it's first weekendyes, conservative budget. Maybe Nintendo should listen to your suggestion and make $800M budget Concord games
>>724177867They're always ahead of the curve. >pioneered handhelds (with the Game Boy)>pioneered the analog stick and rumble (with the N64)>pioneered motion controls and social media functions (with the Wii)>pioneered dualscreen gaming (with the DS)>pioneered hybrid consoles (with the Switch)There's an argument to be made that even the Wii U was ahead of the curve. PS meanwhile has been the same games box ever since its inception, they tried to make handhelds with the PSP and Vita but couldn't beat Nintendo in that market so they just gave up.Xbox and PS aren't innovative. Even if MS tries to innovate by merging consoles with PCs in the next generation then they would just be copying Valve who pioneered that 3 years ago with the Deck. Nintendo and Valve are the only companies that matter and have the potential for long term success.
>>724178521> Conservative budgets? You mean shoestring budgets. Look how sad wokeymon looks these days.How are those crazy budget working out for those AAA game companies?
>>724177867conservative business strategy vs pump and dump trend-chasing
>>724178307Peach has been a playable character since before Wokeism was a thing howeverbeit.
>>724177867simplejust make good games with mobile hardware and not chasing infinity budget triple-gAAAy propaganda that is funded by usaid
They cultivated their IPs for decades. They don't do PC releases.You can only play their games on their consoles.They learned hard lessons from the wii u disaster They make fun gamesThey're not obsessed with the graphics race so development takes a reasonable amount of timePaid online is far cheaper than everyone else other than PCpokemonSony and especially MS keep shooting themselves in the foot
>>724179065>PS meanwhile has been the same games box ever since its inception, they tried to make handhelds with the PSP and Vita but couldn't beat Nintendo in that market so they just gave up.They just had to not be ultra retarded and greedy but they did it.They had it with the PSP, all Vita needed to be was something stronger.But no, they had to ruin it all, fucking $100 8GB Memory cards meanwhile NDS was using $19 32GB SDs and they removed the video out port to sell the PSTV.
>>724178424This, but also>Strong brand recognition from various IPs>Not afraid to tap other developers to help make their games (HAL, Bamco, Capcom, Squeenix, Mercury Steam, etc)>IPs have legacy behind them that builds its own hype when a new game is revealed. Just announcing a new Metroid, Zelda, or Animal Crossing does the marketing for them>Nintendo Directs basically psyopped gamers into watching 40 minutes of ads several times a year>Acquired developers, like Platinum, Game Freak, or Monolith Soft, are given free range and are encouraged to lean into their neuroticisms (Platinum being told to make Bayo sexier, Monolith being told they can make use of the Xeno IP and go full Gnostic)Nintendo doesn't have to sell more than a million copies to make their money back on a game, and yet they frequently do 10+ million. They don't even have to spend that much money on marketing since the Nintendo Directs and fans do it for them.
>>724177867Simple. This might sound crazy but they fun make video games.What the hell is with this captcha?
nintendo is one of the few developers who archived all their shit. It's crazy how many games lost their source codes in the early gaming days.
>>724179464>They learned hard lessons from the wii u disasterAnon, Nintendo has their own cycle where they get hubristic, get punished for it, and then change up tactics and make bank. The Gamecube failed, so Nintendo made the Wii. Then they got high off their farts and thought they could do no wrong and created the Wii U. Wii U bombed so they actually put in effort to create the Switch. The Switch became the best selling console ever so they got high off their own farts and shat out the Switch 2.Switch 2 has red flags all over it. Overpriced games, Nintendo showing they're more than willing to completely ruin their $80 games with updates, a barren launch year, and charging $10 for a virtual instruction manual all show that Nintendo has gone hubristic again. I don't know if they'll be punished as hard as they were with the Wii U, but I know they're not going to earn more money than they did with the Switch.
>>724178768Cavewomen are meant to stay in the cave and use the wooly mammoth dishwasher/vacuum cleaner
>>724179285Not a real Mario game. That's a doki doki panic reskin.
>>724177867Brand name and brand name aloneAlso they probably have massive a safety net due to the Wii, DS and Switch's success
>>724178021Nintendo dropped the ball on the third one but the rest are spot on. I feel so detached from the fanbase now. It's simply weird now.
>>724177867They're the apple of vidya
>>724178768They made Mario a novice who goes through a hero's journey and ends up saving the day after getting better at the whole Jump Man thing.
>>724180125the switch 2 is in no way comparable to the wii u. Won't defend game prices but they are doing well overall and the holidays are around the corner.
>>724177867>industry around them is crashing with mass layoffs and sales failures?Western studios are bloated beyond all fuckThe industry is fine
>>724180317But he didn't do anything to earn that win. The power star just instantly made him win. It was an extremely sloppy conclusion to the movie, after he spent the whole time bumbling around like a moron, and luigi literally doing nothing.
>>724178886>>7241790981% or 100%, there is no in between.
>>724180125> Nintendo showing they're more than willing to completely ruin their $80 games with updates, a barren launch year,They’ve released a game for each month since the switch 2 released
>>724179771>psyoppedfans pushed for this though, /v/ especially celebrated the move
>>724180254And how did they build up that brand name? How does it continue to get more popular? Maybe... they make good games?
>>724177923Ironic when miyamoto says they are going into movies because they are timeless
>>724180438It's so funny how people bring up mario kart world being 80 when the vast majority got the damn bundle and game for 50 bucks. This is not a diss towards you physical game collectors i'm just saying.
>>724180438Drag x Drive isn't a real game. All they've had is MKW (ruined) and DK Bananza. So really it's just 1 game.
>>724180505that was a fake translation
>>724180601>It doesn’t count if I don’t like it.How did I know you would move the goalpost?
>>724178307even if that were true, it's not a game
>>724180719I mean, snoy games don't count as real games because you don't like them. So why is this different?
>>724180719dxd was a destruction all stars level game tbf. absolute garbage exclusive that would be better off not existing.
>>724177867They sold some extremely weak and cheap tablet Nvidia had laying around for $300 for 10 years, their profit margins were fat, probably even fatter than Gamecube 1.5's.
Because Concord by itself probably cost what nintendo has spent in the last decade on all their huge successes combined.
>>724180719Yeah, bad games don't count. It's why I don't buy Sony or Microsoft products anymore either.
>>724180865that's hilariously depressing
>>724180265They had Reggie and Iwata for a while but ever since they left, no one has taken over. I think companies have more or less given up on that ambassador point because they go through CEOs so quickly these days. Tying your brand to a guy that can leave can be a negative, like with Ben Brode leaving Hearthstone. You'd see people saying that Hearthstone died when he left and they followed him to his next game.
>>724180125>Switch 2 has red flags all over ittranslated from troon language to english: >I want it to fail so I'm going to pretend it's not a huge success
>>724180265>sonyfaggot projecting again.
>>724180438$70 games*
>>724180505They let him say things as he's put out to pasture
Guys, the NDS hackers are taking our IPs. Remain vigilant.
>>724181313What are you arguing? Alarmo.
>>724181271It's not even going to sell 100 million units unless Nintendo keeps it alive for a decade and drops the price.
>>724178134>"m-m-m-muh grafix">Wii completely BTFO'd the competition despite being "behind">Switch is about to become the best selling console in history despite being "behind"okay snoy
>>724177867good guys always win in the long run
>>724181818>makes simplistic game with no challenge>cuts content and resells it back to you via DLC>charges 60-80 dollars for no reason other than greedYeah, "graphics" are the only reason.
They make games that cost $20 to $50 million instead of $150 to $300 million to make
>>724177867They just kept their talented devs and didn't engage in political based hiring.
to answer the OP:>they gave up on the arms race twenty years ago>this allowed them to find a niche outside of the hd twins, appealing to an audience of nongamers>this means that their customer base is much more open to weird experiments and games that'd never sell on the competition>their budgets are modest because they focus on mechanics over presentation>they have by far the most prestigious and attractive list of active IPs in the industry>they outrageously dominate their home country which means that they attract the most talented young japanese people wanting to work in the industry>they have an exceptional retention rate so the old heads who made all the hits from the 90s transmit skills to the young generation>despite what the mentally ill genetic defects on /v/ would tell you, they still are the best game designers in the industryit's really no surprise they're so successful which is why the constant attempts to summon their failure through shitposting get so tiring
Never changed the paradigm understanding game platforms live through its software and that software being the one you put yourself.>>724178021Aplies to every brand since 2012, faggot
>>724180125You realize they upped their production and sales forecast for Switch 2 from 15 million year 1 to 20 million year 1 right?
>>724182070>they still are the best game designers in the industry
>>724182248case in point
>>724182332Let's look at them and their subsidiaries. >they can't even design a skippable tutorial, and have trouble with just letting people skip intro cutscenes (TOTK)>they make dogshit JRPGs and that are 90% cutscenes and 10% actual gameplay (Xenoblade and Fire Emblem)>their games lack any challenge and are often designed to pander to the lowest common denominator >this is so bad that they refuse to often add in difficulty modes, and the rare time they do, they purposely resell it to you as DLC>oftentimes the difficulty modes are just lazy efforts, like bloating enemy HP or adding regenerating HP (again Zelda)>their online shooters are abysmal and unplayable (Splatoon) because they rely on antiquated and outdated online tech (after playing a PC game with dedicated servers and community servers, Splatoon feels absolutely atrocious in comparison)You call this good game design? They're making basic mistakes that companies worked around 20 years ago.
>>724182645>their games lack any challenge>hasn't played Punch out on Wii
>>724182687>Simon Says but with boxingooooh, very intriguing.
I'm not giving you a (You) ACfag, but know that you're the first one that came to mind when I mentioned mentally ill genetic defects
>>724182645Nailed 0/6. How many games have you designed btw
>>724177867>make fun games>they sell>repeathttps://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/switch.html
>>724177867low budget games
>>724182881>>724182920>couldn't refute a single oneConcession accepted.
>>724182645>they make dogshit JRPGs and that are 90% cutscenes and 10% actual gameplay (Xenoblade and Fire Emblem)You have these percentages reversed btw. You've been proven wrong in prior threads already
>>724177867their games are cheap to make, sell well and dont expect 10m+ from every release. it isnt more complex than that
>>724183003*average xenoblade gameplay
>>724181313SHOES!
>>724182974>couldn't refute anyexcept already refuted>>724182687 Punch Out Wii has multiple difficulties, none of which are paid DLC. Title Defense mode adds new attacks to fighters and isn't a HP bloat
>>724183098Posted it again…
>>724183303The game isn't challenging though, it's just glorified Simon says. Plus, you had to go back 20 years to find one game.
snoys are NOT happy
>>724183098Congrats you cherry picked 1 minute of cutscenes in a 100 hour game.
>>724177867Brand loyalists, shoestring budgets and merchandise out the ass for some of the most lucrative brand names in the entire world.
>>724183098>Dude look at how much dialogue this JRPG has!Okay?
They make good games like PLZA.
>>724183178At least they know their audience
>>724177867They make traditional "gamey" style games. That's doesn't take very much money to accomplish when you know what you're doing. They aren't making movie quality cinematic games with A list voice acting. That's what is unsustainable.
>>724183368Post your title defense run. I'll wait
>>724183303>>724183368>can't even make up his mindI don't recall the last punch out with different difficulties but different circuits.
>>724183351You guys are always quick to lambast snoy games for being cutscene heavy walking simulators, so naturally you should despise a game that has this many cutscenes and this much walking. At the very least you should lobby for the games to remove the cutscenes. Why defend them so vehemently?>>724183520>1 minuteTry 100 hours of it. And there's maybe an hour of gameplay, max. considering the combat is just standing in one place and watching cutscenes play out.>>724183554Exactly. JRPGs don't count as games. That's false advertising.
>>724180202>D-DOESN'T COUNT!even japs prefer SMB2USA over the literal kaizo romhack because it's actually fun to play lol
>>724183548>Brand loyalists
They actually make games.
>>724183368>no argument>pivoted away from exampleI accept your concession
>>724183661um?
>>724183681>>724183595>>724183592Also, by your admission, isn't the game "tranny shit" because there's no waifus in it? That's why you guys shit on western games so much. Why'd you change your mind?
>>724183605AcFag you have been doing this for to long.
>>724183605>Try 100 hours of itYou made the claim now substantiate it. Post the 100hours of Xenoblade 3 cutscenes
They have created a business formula where they don't need to spend hundreds of million dollars on "the next big thing" hail mary game. Instead they can make multiple smaller budget games, which all have a pretty decent shot of making solid profit. It helps significantly when you have some of the biggest IPs on the planet. They also have massive retained earnings and very little debt, which positions them to be in a very solid financial position. That said, fuckery can still happen, especially when it's a 2nd or 3rd party developer they licensed the game out (Bayonetta 3, Metroid Prime 4). But when things go bad it is more like a speed bump rather than hitting a wall. This feels more like a muh brand cultist thread though.
>>724183761
>>724183772>This feels more like a muh brand cultist thread though.Of course it is. Hating Nintendo is basically their cult message
>>7241829742 have already been refuted when you claimed none of them could be refuted. You've provided no evidence to back your assertions. I accept your concession
>>724184029Still waiting on those refutations.
>>724177867Nazi gold tier reserves in their basementThis company has no budget and billions in profit
>>724179065Pioneered touch screen and numerous gaming mechanics as well like z-targeting, camera etc.
>>724183926Huh, only 6 to 19 hours in 120 hour games?Looks like they aren't cinematic at all.
>>724183772Frieren
>>724184179>120 hours of cinematic combat and walking, with 20 hours of cutscenesDoesn't seem very videogamey to me.
>>724183772I mean, it says a lot about Nintendo that the worst examples of fuckery you can think of are Bayo 3 and MP4.Meanwhile Sony lost literal hundreds of millions with Concord.And Microsoft has so many fuck ups that its hard to picke one lol, you name it, Scalebound, Halo, Perfect Dark, Everwild and Rare in general, Starfield, Tango Gameworks, etc.
>>724183926That's for refuting your own claims. Couldn't source a 100hr movie asserted >>724183605Couldn't assert that this JRPG was 90% gameplay, 10% gameplay asserted >>724182645I accept your concession
>>724184317Where's the gameplay, then?
>>724183605It's cartoon anime with voice acting. No studio actors, facescanning, 8 years dev cycle, western ideals shorehorned in. It's a generic JRPG.
>>724184385>It's cartoon anime with voice acting. No studio actors, facescanning, 8 years dev cycle, western ideals shorehorned in.Both are holllywood dogshit, just from different countries.
>>724184309Bayonetta is a SEGA licenced IP
>>724183746how old is this sperghe must be in his 50s right
>>724177867They keep making games that appeal to their audience and own the hardware the games are sold on.
They seem to keep production costs down despite the fact they've caught up to long ass development cycles.
>>724177867Didn't follow the western model of "bloat everything".
>>724183772>This feels more like a muh brand cultist thread thoughI mean what are people supposed to say, nintendo are undeniably successful and denying it is the cult-like behaviorit's not about liking them or not, they have navigated very complicated times well
they literally just make products people want. It's that easy. Those Mario movies are even pretty good, when compared to other things kids have to choose from these days. They aren't explicitly gay and lame.
>>724183772How can just one anon be so correct?
>>724177964>Pokemon za cost $13 million to makeIf you actually believe that you're literally part of the problem.
>>724183098you cannot tell me that xenoblade games are full of cutscenes lmaothis fucking website its just full of baiters
>>724184627see>>724184364You could provide even some gameplay, can't you?
>>724184616Prove that it doesn't
>>724184676Sealionning tranny.
>>724184616>they put false info in their system in case they got hacked !
>>724184437I agree. But one isn't a 100 billion dollar fart sniffing simulator which is why Nintendo and JRPGs are sustainable and western movie shit isn't.
>>724184285Isn't that just because you have the patience of a toddler? Rpgs are still gameplay focused you know.
>>724177867for better or worse they got out of the hardware rat race in terms of trying to outdo the others in terms of fidelity because it quickly stopped being impressive and consoles can't compete with PCs, so they basically make very expensive phone/tablet games at this point. they're cheaper but the offset is they look pretty ugly. Tears of the Kingdom was the ugliest game of that year i think, just really embarrassingly bad texture work.
>>724177867Better brand management and an ability to plan out strategies and profits past the next quarter.People will plunk down 500 bones for the latest Pokémon or Bing Bing Wahoo. What MS or Sony IP will do that in the present day and when was the last time it actually got a game?
>>724177923They don't make games anymore. They're just a movie company that makes shitty overpriced fisher price products and C&Ds.
>>724184762>But one isn't a 100 billion dollar fart sniffing simulatorSo why aren't Nintendo JRPGs 20 dollars, with years of free DLC? If they're not wasting money, then stop asking me to pay a premium.>>724184781I just don't think a constant assault of cinematic garbage is worthy of being a good game. Infact it barely qualifies as a game to begin with.>you have the patience of a toddlerAren't toddlers the ones pushing for story heavy games, so they can be more mature? Just a thought.
>>724180317Super Saiyans Mario and Luigi
>>724184676Burden of proof is on you, still waiting for you to prove your assertion of a Xenoblade game with 100 hours of cutscenes
>>724177867let's say the market (by revenue) is something like 70% male teen+ and 30% female and small childrenas a game business you look at these figures on paper and it seems obvious you want to target the male audience. problem is, it's also obvious to everyone else that they should do the same. so you have literally dozens of publishers and hundreds of studios that are all making games to get at the male audience. but the men only have so much money to spend, they can't buy everyone's games. so while men are spending say $140 billion annually on games, that is out of probably $300 billion worth or more of goods that the industry is trying to sell them. so the producers are hoping to get a piece of that $140b and avoid having their products end up in the majority of potential sales that won't happen.on the other hand, you have the other 30% of the market that plays a different kind of game. there's less potential money to be made here, and less interest in making it because most gamedevs want to make games for themselves, ones they would play. and there's few women and no children who work in gamedev. so most efforts here are just men phoning in their work for a paycheck. although this segment is smaller, there's less competition in it, and few big players. there's nintendo, there's $5 games on the app store, Just Dance, and... Astro Bot? aside from app store trash there isn't much competition here. it's a smaller segment but almost all the revenue in it goes to an even smaller number of measurable producers. nintendo and a handful of mobile publishers practically own this segment of the industry.it's like how ios only has 25% of smartphone market share compared to 75% android. but android market share is split between a dozen manufacturers, while there's only one company that produces ios devices. apple is far more profitable than any one android maker as a result. this is why the comparisons between apple and nintendo are quite apt.
>>724184976Then you lost to and are seething at movie company that makes shitty overpriced fisher price products and C&Ds.
>>724185051I keep providing proof, and you keep saying it doesn't count. Not sure what else I can do.Look at webm related for example. Does this count as gameplay?
>>724184976But enough about Sony
>>724177867NIntendo knows how to a.) budget and b.) leverage their brand. Their games don't cost all that much to make and they sell millions of copies without much in the way of price cuts. They don't devalue their own shit. Note how Switch has sold two gorillion units and it's never gotten a formal price cut. That's how they do it.
>>724185006>So why aren't Nintendo JRPGs 20 dollars, with years of free DLC? If they're not wasting money, then stop asking me to pay a premium.Because those games sell at full price while generic western movie trash is in bargain bins two weeks later desperately trying to break even on cost because the consumer base doesn't actually exist and the game itself is just western ideals marketing.
>>724185230So I still have to eat the cost for a mediocre movie game, despite it costing less than a western movie game. That doesn't benefit me.
Xenoblade X DE is one of the best jrpg of this year btw, master class on exploration.
>>724185165You haven't provided any evidence of 100 hours of cutscenes
>They're still crying about Nintendo
>>724185307You don't like thoae games so I wouldn't worry about the cost of games you dont play.
>>724185340The HLTB page is 100 hours, but every single bit of """gameplay""" is a cutscene, as evidenced by the webms I've shown. So I'm waiting for a proper rebuttal, even a simple webm showcasing the supposed gameplay that exists.
>>724185476that’s true actually, why would i play shooters? i can buy a nerd gun and shot in my house
>>724185476>as evidenced by the webms I've shown.You haven't shown anything that supports your argument though.
>>724185165I accepted all your proof. It didn't meet the 100hrs of cutscenes for a Xenoblade like you asserted
>>724185006>I just don't think a constant assault of cinematic garbage is worthy of being a good gameSo you consider a game like Terraria bad too?>Aren't toddlers the ones pushing for story heavy gamesAre you trying to say that toddlers have high attention spans?
normalfags and tendie manchildren are retards with no standards. this applies to all consolefags too and anyone who still plays western games
>>724177867>how the fuck this company is still supposedly going strong >when the industry around them is crashing with mass layoffs and sales failures?It's not.
>>724185664You'll survive
>>724185584>>724185606Then how did the webms not support my argument? Where is the gameplay in them?>>724185653>So you consider a game like Terraria bad too?Terraria doesn't have cinematics, not unless you count one single minute of end credits, which don't even lock you in place while they play out, so you can keep playing during.>are you trying to say that toddlers have high attention spans?It doesn't require a high attention span to want cinematic slop in a game. Are you seriously implying that God of War and TLOU are for adults, when they're clearly just hollywood bait for children?
>>724185798i'm afraid he won't. the seethe is terminal.
>>724178768They made you an emotional bitch
>>724185070This is also a good explanation of a contributing factor to Nintendo's success if anyone in the thread actually cares about learning things and not just meme'ing
>>724185830Are you claiming the 1 minute webm represents 100 hours of cutscenes? It doesn't
>>724186086And your evidence of this is....?
>>724178768>They made Mario a bumbling idiot and made Mario trashBecause he started off as a normal ass nigga
>>724186140Burden of proof is on you. Prove it represents 100hrs
>>724177867they didn't chase graphics they grew at a rate they could handle instead of doubling up their dev sizes to accomodate HD games
>>724185830>Then how did the webms not support my argument?How do they?
>>724185830>Terraria doesn't have cinematicsOf course it does, well, by your standards at least.You're claiming that cinematics are anything visual on the screen regardless of interactivity.
>>724177867Doesn't nintendo run the usual nippon sweatshops with shit pay and lot's of overtime while being more profitable than xbox or playstation?
>>724186239He started off as a hasan piker like animal tamer
>>724177867They do the only thing that matters - make games.They hired over 500 people last year.
Why are you retards even entertaining the baiting faggots?
>>724182070>appealing to an audience of nongamers>this means that their customer base is much more open to weird experiments Fucks sake anon, do you even read your own shit?
>>724177923fpbp
They make everything cheap and then overprice them and never put thins on discount.
>>724186249>>724186315Do the webms represent gameplay or not? If they do, then the gameplay is 100 hours of cutscenes, proving my point. If they don't represent gameplay, then why not showcase some gameplay?If you can't showcase gameplay, then it proves me right.>>724186391>You're claiming that cinematics are anything visual on the screen regardless of interactivity.That's the key. Interactivity. JRPGs do not have interaction. You sit in one place and watch cutscenes play out, which doesn't happen in Terraria.
>>724186451Compare this to how many "video game" companies laid off employees or reduced their video game division and that's very telling.
>>724178307Except Peach was captured for the whole end of the movie, and Luigi helped defeat Bowser.
>>724184803>an ability to plan out strategies and profits past the next quarter.This here is the very core point of that entire discussion.Sony and MS are firmly in the grasp of shareholder wankery. Who cares if we can make 100 millions next year if we can crash the company next quarter by increasing revenue by 1.3% this quarter? cue the mad Nintendo shareholderIn a better world all those people, including their lapdog CEOs would get dragged out into the streets and beaten to death like the dogs they are. And the stock market needs to be abolished.
>>724177867>$13m dollar budget game to make billions of dollarThey had perfected the work smarter not harder (or spend more money) for high reward strategy.
>>724186825So you don't know what you're asserting. I accept your concession then.
>>724177867Nintendo put itself in a different niche from its competitors instead of fighting over the same territory. Sony and Xbox division have to put more and more resources into smaller and smaller profit margins.Only indie games are competing in the same niche, and due to resource disparity they aren't really. Except in Gamefreaks case because they are actually incompetent and Nintendo has no control over them.Partner that with a healthier business strategy of "I need to be making money now and in the future" instead of the more common big business strategy of "I will suffer now to capture the market and make trillions." Sony and Microsoft will never capture the market.With this strategy, even if you make mediocre games, you can still do well.
I haven't seen that disingenuous sealioning asshole ACfag in a while now, of course he choose this thread to rehash the same complaints about tutorials and cutscenes
>>724186576laughing at bait is a pastime, are you new?
>>724186978hey, whenever you want to back up your argument by actually showcasing gameplay, I'll be right here.
Reminder that Playstation is closer to going third party than Nintendo lel.Patapon on the Switch feels fucking right man
>>724186825>Do the webms represent gameplay or not?So you don't know? If you don't know then they don't help your argument.
>>724178021Nintendo fans were more fanatic ten years ago and the Wii U sold like shit.
>>724187047Relax, snoy. Some people just don't like cinematics and cutscenes and story pandering. Don't take it personally.
>>724185871what is it about tendoids that can't tell the difference between someone seething and someone laughing at them? it's pretty comical at least
>>724187171I don't see button presses, and the only "interactivity" is pressing a button occasionally to walk forward. Not very interactive if you ask me. Unfortunately there's no button to skip these pseudo cutscenes, so I have to assume that they're gameplay.That or Monolith Soft is just terrible at making games. Considering how poor TOTK and BOTW turned out, that seems to be the case.
>>724186825>JRPGs do not have interactionThen Terraria doesn't either. Simple as.I mean you're saying that going through combat options and items and moving on the map doesn't count but that's all Terraria is.
>>724186405Lol no
>>724186405Nope. Exactly the opposite>Best pay among Japanese devs>Best employee benefits among Japanese devs>Zero crunch>98% employee retention rate>3rd most sought after employer for fresh graduates among all Japanese companieshttps://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-employee-retention-rate/https://automaton-media.com/en/news/nintendo-ranks-third-among-most-sought-after-employers-in-japan/
>>724187384>I mean you're saying that going through combat options and items and moving on the map doesn't count In a JRPG that doesn't involve anything other than occasionally pressing a button to go through a menu. It's even more insulting in xenoblade, since it desperately wants to be turn based, which is why the "real time combat" is just MMO tier. what do I mean by that? Well, aiming isn't even a thing in the game. When you initiate an attack, the game auto-locks on to targets for you. You could literally be pointing in the other direction, and your attack wil just turn around and hit the enemy. Accuracy is purely a number and not an actual thing you have to practice.It's like playing a shooter with auto-aim.
>>724187072I didn't make any arguments. I asked you to substantiate yours which you failed to do so. I'm glad you've resigned yourself to being a terminally online schizo who camps in threads. You've demonstrated that at least in spades.
>>724186405nintendo has one of the highest employee retention rates around.
>>724187047Recently he was defending Snoys posting CP in a MP4 thread
>>724187339>I-I'M NOT MAD! YOU ARE MAD!lol
>>724187557Game has directionals though. How do you individually target members for heals if there's no targeting
>>724187365>I don't see button pressesOf course you don't, games aren't designed with flashing button prompts.
This >>724179065And TO THIS DAY we have Microsoft and Sony retards who are actively butthurt.
>>724180265Reggie is possibly the most quintessential example of it, though.
>>724187628the webms are my proof. Now address them or concede.>>724187783>How do you individually target members for heals if there's no targetingDo you actually manually target them, or does the game do all the targeting for you?
>>724187898I don't know why Sony and Microsoft fans are mad at Nintendo. All their companies had to do is make games
>>724186654yes, what's the matter? do you think ring fit adventure would have sold 15 million on playstation? it's specifically because they appealed to millions of people who had never played a game in their life with the wii that they were able to make a hit out of such a weird game a decade later
reminder that switch 2 already has more console exclusives than the ps5 have in nearly 5 years.
>>724188070>showcase of the "hit game" is a webm that's half a fucking cutscene
>>724177867good games
>>724188005We've already addressed your 1 minute webms. They don't represent 100 hours of cutscenes like you asserted and you can't determine whether or not represent gameplay. You've already given up on providing further evidence.
>>724188070Ohhh so you meant actual non-gaming people and not non"gamers". That's certainly more understandable, though I still don't fully agree with you, as e.g. fitness videos have been a thing since the 80s, and televised fitness programs for even longer, so Wii Fit is hardly a "weird" experiment.
>>724188376Then here's the first hour of Xenoblade 3.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNIS39qbJuw&list=PLDwjEcGRHRZ74wnWMTJuNJI8YPB1VA21WNot one. Single. Second. of gameplay.
>>724188310So 50% represents gameplay
think in the mind of a child*sees commercial*wow mom bing bing wahoo please buy?you now have one of the most successful companies in human history
>>724178307The movie is the MARIO BROS movie. Mario is a serial fuck up and Luigi is his little brother who reassures him and is there for him.Luigi gets captured, Mario saves him, then Luigi saves him right back and they beat the big bad. Thats not wokeism, thats a great story where the focus is on brother's always believing in each other rather than it being about romance or anything
>>724188576The other 50% is a glorified QTE. Not exactly my idea of good gameplay.
>>724188518>Not one. Single. Second. of gameplay.Meanwhile in reality, seven minutes in the YouTuber you picked gets full control.
>>724188678>standing in one place while cinematic attack animations play outThank you for proving my point.
>>724188518This one hour video doesn't showcase 100 hours of cutscenes either
>>724187751who are you quoting?
>>724188662What makes it a QTE? You see the control scheme sync with the controller and the game dynamically reacts with your inputs. Are making the case that all games are elaborate QTE's
>>724181953What is your pointThey still absolutely demolished the 7th gen of consoles, and now they have sold 9million switch 2 units in 3 months, whereas it took the PS5 around 9 months to hit the same figure. So its obviously on track to demolish the 9th gen too
>>724188909If there's no effort required, then no.>>724188958Why do you even care about sales so much? They continue to cut corners and charge a premium. You're not a stockholder, why do you care?
>>724189029The player is doing a squat and the game dynamically reacts to how the player performs it
>>724188742Yeah sure. I'm starting to see why you think Terraria is cinematic.
Games poeple actually want
>>724188235Proof?
>>724182645Dude, have you ever played a Nintendo game in the last fifteen years? None of your points are valid.
>>724189134It's just a gimmick. It doesn't even require effort. Hell, the only reason people even remember the game is because of the gay lust for the dragon villain, and the people who wanted to fuck the main character. No gameplay was ever discussed in the threads.>>724189150Why is a non-turn based game acting like a turn based game? Why aren't you constantly dodging attacks and using movement tech to avoid monsters? Why is it just standing in one place and activating attacks off of cooldown? No joke, I've seen more gameplay in a walking segment from God of Onions.
>>724189231https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:PlayStation_5-only_gameshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nintendo_Switch_2-only_games
>>724189029>Why do you even care about sales so muchSales equal success for a product. I enjoy nintendo's products. Their success is positive for me because it means I will get more of what I enjoy in the future
>>724187162>step 1 put your games on PC>step 2 put your games on other consoles>step 3 go third partythey're already on step 2
>>724187339signs of delusion. dear god, it's worse than I thought.
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>>724182645>You call this good game design?Better than most AAAs yes
>>724189323Sure using your whole body as input instead of just your fingers is the game's gimmick but it but it does require effort, more effort than any conventional game. The game has 30 difficulty options. I wouldn't expect much discussion about it from /v/ for obvious reasons
>>724189150The best part is that you can literally automate Terraria. You can't automate Xenoblade.https://youtu.be/EXJWPOeg5tY
>>724189509Mods, this post is misinformation. Please delete it. MODS WHERE ARE YOU? MODS MODS
>>724189029Because sales have a positive corelation to quality.
>>724189669>325gotta try harder tendie, photoshopping the price
>>724189547>success means pricier games, content being chopped out and resold back to you as DLC, terrible online quality, and poor quality gamesNot seeing the appeal. movieshit like TOTK and BOTW sold millions, but that didn't translate to better games.>>724189764>I wouldn't expect much discussion about it from /v/ for obvious reasonsIf the game was good, there would've been some discussion, even among the game's dedicated fanbase. But all they cared about porn.
>>724182645>they can't even design a skippable tutorial, and have trouble with just letting people skip intro cutscenes (TOTK)So they take the time to teach you the new mechanic before throwing you into the world. Sounds like good game design.
>>724183740>isn't the game "tranny shit" because there's no waifus in it?No, that's you being retarded making shit arguments.>Game about boxing being sausagefest with no women in sight>tranny shit
>>724186405Nope.>Best pay among Japanese devs>Best additional benefits among Japanese devs >Zero crunch>98% employee retention rate>>>724179065>PS meanwhile has been the same games box ever since its inceptionI wouldn't go that far. PS1 and PS2 actually had games
>>724189809>you can fully automate Terraria, by building a massive contraption that takes 10 hours to farm for the items, wire everything, connect it all together, and play through the entire game to get all the necessary materials to not only build the traps, but summon the bossesMeanwhile, in Xenoblade>walk forward, press x, game plays itself
>>724189893Why don't you have the freedom to skip it on future playthroughs? Are the fans incapable of retaining the knowledge form previous playthroughs?>>724189897It's why you guys hate western games so much. There's no waifus in them, so you call them "tranny games".That's not me, I'm just recalling what's been said. Funny thing, the same argument is used against Team Fortress 2.
>>724189868>Because sales have a positive corelation to quality.lmaoooooooooooooooooooooo
>>724182767>Simon Says but withConsidering you as the player are bound within the rules created by game devs that's basically every single videogame ever created
>>724189897>bald british faggot plays top Space CommissarThat guy is a disingenuous faggot, but you have abysmal taste.
>>724189983>You can throw touchdowns in madden. Meanwhile furtrannia doesn't even have first downs or player rosters>i am vewy smart
>>724189883There was discussion about the gameplay. Did you ignore all of it. If people hyper focus on the porn, it doesn't mean the gameplay goes away. Does Bayonetta have no gameplay because people lust for Bayo. What about DoA or any fighting game.
>>724190079>It's why you guys hate western games so much. There's no waifus in them, so you call them "tranny games".You're 100% stupid. Real players hate western games because their values aren't built around gameplay; that one thing that defines a videogame, and stray onto every possible branch BUT the important one. Woke and the related to it are their own kind of value in the corner of Western game appeal, but you choose to focus on it as representation of the whole.
>>724190150>Terraria cares more about the pure gameplay experience, even letting NPCs die anytime, assuming you even let them spawn in to begin with>Xenoblade, and most JRPGs for that matter, exist solely to tell a story, and the gameplay takes a backseatThis is the basis of all JRPG design philosophy. Why do you think the genre is the spawning ground of tropes like "win in the boss fight, lose in the cutscene"? Been a long time since I saw that in a Mario game.>>724190220>Does Bayonetta have no gameplay because people lust for Bayo. What about DoA or any fighting game.That's correct. None of those have gameplay because they're too busy focusing on the dumb fanservice. Why do you think gacha games and visual novels are so terrible?
>>724190079TotK doesn't have NG+
>>724177867>how the fuck this company is still supposedly going strongThe internet really is a massive echo chamber huh?
>>724190326>Real players hate western games because their values aren't built around gameplay; You say that, but these "real players" also despise old games like Tetris and Pong for not having ultra-realistic graphics and cinematics and waifus. sounds like you guys don't care about gameplay.Infact, here's a Nintendo game publically shitting on Pong for not having realistic graphics.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/724145656/#724168967
>>724190336>Why do you think gacha games and visual novels are so terrible?different genres
>>724177867because nintards are one of the most cultist braindead subhumans to ever exist, they're even worse than disneyfags and applefags. Look at smashbros, that slop is literally "clap when you see brands you recognize: the game" which paved the way for other similar slops like fortnite.
>>724177867Nostalgia, and Nintendorks like myself who will buy nearly anything they put out so long as it reminds me of my child and teen years.>>724177923Also this.
>>724190416Why does a game need NG+ to justify a second playthrough?>>724190475>*Infact, here's a Nintendo FAN publically shitting on Pong for not having realistic graphics.
>>724189983>by building a massive contraption that takes 10 hours to farm for the items, wire everything, connect it all together, and play through the entire game to get all the necessary materials to not only build the traps, but summon the bossesYou said none of that matters.
>>724190580All of that actually requires input from the player. You're not just watching it happen. The same can't be said of Xenoblade's """"""""combat""""""".
>>724190475I never thought you'd actually go so far as to shit on pong.
>>724190656You said input doesn't matter. You can't beat enemies without making an input in Xenoblade so it doesn't count for Terraria.
>>724190336>I don't like tabletop rng dice rolls or simalry styled JRPGsmost people don't and it's relatively niche as far as market size goes.
>>724190665Curious how no nintendo fans disavowed that comment. As if they all agree that they hate Pong. If that post doesn't represent your fandom, then you better disavow it.>>724190743>You can't beat enemies without making an input in Xenoblade One input = 30 second cutscene. Wow, such good gameplay.>>724190752>I don't like tabletop rng dice rolls or simalry styled JRPGsNo, I don't. Some genres don't deserve to be games.
>>724190079>Why don't you have the freedom to skip it on future playthroughs?Yeah, that shit is brutal. More games need to allow you to skip tutorials, I can't imagine the guys playing through ZA multiple times, GameFreak needs to patch in a tutorial skip but lmao.
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/283273214/#283293540Remember guys. NEVER forgive. NEVER forget. This is our website's motto!
>>724190843>Curious how no nintendo fans disavowed that commentBecause that would mean agreeing with you that pong is shit.
>>724189883>Not seeing the appeal. movieshit like TOTK and BOTW sold millions, but that didn't translate to better games.I mean on Metacritic they have a critic score of like 96 and 97, and the user review aggregate scores are like 88 and 89. You don't have to agree with them but clearly MOST users disagree with you and thought they were great, if not outright phenomenal games that are some of the best selling games of all time. So if anything, thats quite literally the exact opposite of your point. Clearly more sales DID translate into better games according to the masses in that instanceAgain, if you disagree thats your opinion its not for everyone to like the games, but they aren't niche games and certainly reviewed and sold well
>>724190996Sounds jewish.
>>724190656That's because input in these types of games are the functional equivalent off rolling a dice, inspired from traditional table RPGs. There is player input, which is the player modifying the dice. Rolling the dice is just tapping a button.
>>724190998>Because that would mean agreeing with you that pong is shit.Then why not say that Pong is a good game?>>724191017>I mean on Metacritic they have a critic score of like 96 and 97, and the user review aggregate scores are like 88 and 89. Games like God of War have a 94 on metacritic, so right there I can discard the whole system as untrustworthy.>You don't have to agree with them but clearly MOST users disagree with you Most users will also shill gacha like Genshin Impact and spend millions on JPGs of their waifus. Maybe the ignorant masses are wrong?>Clearly more sales DID translate into better games according to the masses in that instanceThe masses lap up day 1 DLC and think Nintendo needs to charge 70 dollars for games, despite them gloating about making a profit on even a small margin. They're all idiots.>Again, if you disagree thats your opinion its not for everyone to like the games, but they aren't niche games and certainly reviewed and sold wellYou didn't have this mindset when BG3 won the TGAs over TOTK. You swore up and down that the masses were tasteless and didn't know anything, so you're being a bit of a hypocrite right now. In short, to you reviews don't matter until they're convenient.
>>724190843>No, I don't. Some genres don't deserve to be games.You can simply not partake in them.
>>724191160And where does it say that rolling a dice should have a 30 second cutscene play out? Must've missed that part.>>724191261I can still critique them. They've wasted a good chunk of my time.
>>724191261It's a tranny who hates JRPGs as a concept because they have traditional values ala Dragon Quest. You can safely ignore him.
>>724185070IT's 85% male boomer. Women and kids are an extreme minority.No, candy crush and roblox don't count.
>>724190843I guess you never disavowed >>724182519 so by your own logic its true that you're desperate for Nintendo games
>>724191338>And where does it say that rolling a dice should have a 30 second cutscene play out? Must've missed that part.It's normal. On table top the player rolls the dice, then the DM relays the result, usually with some sort of flavor and storytelling. In vidya, this is done through cinematics instead of someone narrating it.
>>724191237>Games like God of War have a 94 on metacritic, so right there I can discard the whole system as untrustworthy.You're going to disregard the aggregate review scores of 118 critics and 29,000 user reviews?>Maybe the ignorant masses are wrong?Maybe but then that makes you a niche consumer. The ignorant masses also like Battlefield and Cod despite the fact that I consider them to be not particularly well designed shooters but obviously its what people what to some degree> They're all idiots.Maybe. But that doesn't have any bearing on the subjective quality of a game.>You didn't have this mindset when BG3 won the TGAs over TOTKActually anon I played and loved both games. I STILL play and love both games. I am literally shopping for a bigger SSD tomorrow because I need the space to keep BG3 installed and I have been playing a new save file on the updated version of TOTK on my switch 2.
>>724191438>traditional valuesYou mean like letting women abuse you because it's le funny? Instead of bashing them over the head with a tire iron for acting crudely towards you?
>>724191604there was no abuse here
>>724191604>abuse>muh female threatsThis faggot gets beat up by women lmao.
>>724177867*sigh*NINTENDO *clap emoji* SWITCH *clap emoji* HAS *clap emoji* GAMES
>>724191532This may come as a shock, but I don't hate every single Nintendo game. I just hate when people gloss over the problems because they hate criticism.>>724191567That's just lazy. Games like Terraria can convey the same game progression without cinematics. JRPGs are just poorly made in comparison.
>>724191752You'll survive.
>>724191752Yes we know you want Nintendo games. You've already established that
For all their they actually make games (both AA and triple), instead of trying to blend them with movies. Which actually wouldn't be as bad if Sony/Microsoft just made beautiful women and men. But activists just can't help themselves.
>>724191692>>724191702If this was a traditional game with traditional values, why can't I backhand her for talking back to me? Same problem with Xenoblade. I should be allowed to bash Mythra's face in with a tire iron for abusing me for a good part of the game. Telling me I have to deal with it just screams cuckoldry. The gameworld is my toy, and I should be allowed to destroy it and abuse it as I see fit.>>724191581>You're going to disregard the aggregate review scores of 118 critics and 29,000 user reviews?I'd disregard the aggregate reviews of 100 million people if they're all wrong. >Maybe but then that makes you a niche consumer. Then I don't see the fault in that.>Actually anon I played and loved both games. I STILL play and love both games. I am literally shopping for a bigger SSD tomorrow because I need the space to keep BG3 installed and I have been playing a new save file on the updated version of TOTK on my switch 2.Then why did the fandom get so angry when people preferred BG3? You'd think zelda fans would be happy to see people enjoying video games, but there was such hate and hostility, especially after the TGAs. Even now, to imply that BG3 is better instantly gets you called a snoy.
>>724180125Switch 2 is more of a Super Nintendo situation, where the Switch 1 is the NES.
>every day anon cannot stop thinking about Nintendo
>>724191978Traditional values isn't domestic abuse. Problems in the home were traditionally sorted out by the church which is where you go to in DQ. What games do you personally play that has this feature in their game that you want it in others?
>>724191978>traditional values means beating your wifeYou sound like you're a nigger.
>>724180125>pattern recognition fallacy.
>>724192278We ARE on the topic of Terraria, which lets you kill every NPC in the game. And not just indirectly with lava or traps, but you can literally craft a sword with the explicit purpose of turning NPCs into sliced sashimi. And it's quite handy if you don't feel like moving them out of the way when you're building something.Of course, for other games to adopt that, they would have to minimize their importance in the story, which so many games are unwilling to part with.
>>724192438beep boop
>>724180125The Switch was more of a half ass effort against the "future" of smartphone gaming back then(just before gacha completely took over). Nintendo had very little faith in the device.
>>724191237>Then why not say that Pong is a good game?You're the only one saying it isn't.
>>724192534Not one part of this is true. Gacha was already in full swing by 2017 with games like Granblue releasing in 2014.And if Nintendo had no faith they would have treated it like a stopgap like the Wii U
>>724192608If that's true, then everyone would be on board with me wanting more games to be like Pong. Less cinematics, less voice acting, less graphics. And since the budget is smaller, that means not as expensive as modern games.
>>7241778671. Games. Better yet, a ton of different games and strong third party support even if they don't get (they are fixing that) AAA slop2. They finally figured out how to license their shit for merch3. Movies and theme parks, the senile directors (Miyamoto) and the shareholders are happy4. They still pull out gimmicks but at least they don't sacrifice their successful main business model for ventures that don't make any sense (dev hell cycles for the 64DD, gimping the GBA for no reason, the e-reader, not adopting online with the GC, the Wii U, the 3D effect with the 3DS, and so on).The day they figure out they can make Zelda spin-offs like Mario gets, good Star Fox and F-Zero games, Smash Kart and that they can keep the NSO model but giving the chance to buy old games separetaly like GamePass does they will double their profits, specially now that they have GC games on the Switch 2.
>>724180125>Switch 2 has red flags all over it. Overpriced games, Nintendo showing they're more than willing to completely ruin their $80 games with updates, a barren launch year, and charging $10 for a virtual instruction manual all show that Nintendo has gone hubristic again. I don't know if they'll be punished as hard as they were with the Wii U, but I know they're not going to earn more money than they did with the Switch.Those aren't red flags. A red flag would be something like>making their controllers as hard to repair as possible>increasing their subscription price with no real benefits>going all in on F2P service games>having a barren release scheduleOf course none of this describes the Switch 2 but another system.
>>724192793>then everyone would be on board with me wanting more games to be like PongProblem is that you don't want games to be like pong, you want it to be as boring as possible like Terraria. A very low stakes low interaction game.
>>724192949My favorite red flag is the negress baked into the UI when you first boot it up.
>>724193035>if a game doesn't strive for expensive and absolute realism like Call of Duty, then it's boring
>>724192793You define everything but the movement of your character as cutscenes so Pong is a cutscene game by your definition since most of the game is just watching the ball
>>724193321You actually have to aim for the ball to properly deflect it. If it was Xenoblade'ified, you'd be sitting there pressing the "automatically hit ball" spell and mashing it on cooldown, followed by a 30 second cutscene, and half the game would be lecturing the player on why hitting the ball is le bad because the other team has feelings too.
>>724190475>You say that, but these "real players" also despise old games like Tetris and Pong for not having ultra-realistic graphics and cinematics and waifus>shitting on old beloved classic so much to make his argument against Nintendo so hard he mixes up players with normies>his argument begin to show cracks due being weakIs this the derangement syndrome?
>>724177867They are the skinniest kid at the fat camp (best value console of 2025)
>>724192438I prefer Madden which has more player rosters, drafting, and team building than Terraria
>>724193461Most of pong is non interactivity as you defined. Xenoblade has movement, and directionals and repositioning in combat. You have to aim your support skills or they go to the wrong character and you die.
>>724193624>normies and players are somehow differentPokemon says otherwise.
>>724193624He also wants wife beating implemented as a mechanic
>>724193787>an actual niggerball faggotFuck off normlord.
>>724187557You do realize you're complaining about RPGs in general. What you described is EVERY RPG. Get your gen A ass to bed.
>>724193985>You have to aim your support skills or they go to the wrong character and you die.You're not aiming though. The game aims for you. Even Dark Souls requires you to actually manually aim, instead of having everything done for you. That's the consequence of the combat being massive wasted potential. If I can move around during combat, I should have to actively dodge enemy attacks AND utilize the entire 3D landscape. Tell me, in Xenoblade do you ever need to utilize jumping mid-combat?>>724194151Yes, I am hating RPGs in general.
>>724194017>normies and players are somehow differentThey are; learn to differentiate masses from core players. Same thing can apply to CoD
>>724194229"Core" players who defend objectively bad game design, like mandatory tutorials and unskippable cutscenes?
>>724177867Is Nintendo special? Maybe everyone else is just doing something wrong?
>>724192438>an actual pixeltranny wikislop furfaggotle u r dumb
>>724194208>Tell me, in Xenoblade do you ever need to utilize jumping mid-combat?Yeah. You also have target switching and can disable certain enemy attacks by targeting and destroying specific enemy body parts. If the game was truly autoaim as you claim then you'd never be able to defeat an enemy that deals spike damage.
>>724194628>Yeah. Care to demonstrate? Maybe a webm or a video?
Why do bot threads generate so many replies?
>>724194761>hurr durr anti-Nintendo means botsIf anything, it's the exact opposite. Human beings are sick of your anti-consumer jewish bullshit.
>>724194284Yes; they're the core audience of it, this doesn't represents if it's good or bad. Also; said examples are bad due your own narrative.
>>724194948>unskippable cutscenes are actually a good thing, only you would hate them
>>724194997This is what the industry believes because of players like DSP
>>724177867They make low budget games and sell them at AAA prices
>>724194850It's the same thread shows up at least once a week.
>>724194997It's neither good or bad. They're implemented because they get more complaints from players who skip them and don't know what to do. It's an industry-wide problem. Not platform specific
>>724195173Good morning saar.
>>724194997Yes; you're seething too much just because you just don't like. And make no mistake, I don't like unskippable cutscenes either for a few reason but most importantly is the fact that all within a game depends on execution of it. While you simply seethe assuming all of it is inherently cancer.tl,dr; if the cutscene is short there's no real trouble with no being unskippable unless you're too autistic in your attention span.
>>724195190>They're implemented because they get more complaints from players who skip them and don't know what to do. So we should purposely make games worse because of the knuckle dragging normalfag masses?>>724195285It IS inherently cancerous to purposely make a cutscene unskippable. There is never a justification for it. The only reason it normally gets a pass is because we think "oh they must've forgotten to make it skippable, hopefully they fix that". When it's an intentional design choice, it doesn't cut it.
>>724177923Fpbp
>>724178307Mario movie wasn't made by Nintendo
>>724195424>It IS inherently cancerous to purposely make a cutscene unskippable. There is never a justification for itThe cutscene is 1-2 minutes; that's a damn good reason. I don't understand not liking them since westerners can't make a cutscene entertaining in the slightest even if their lives depend on it
>>724195424>So we should purposely make games worse because of the knuckle dragging normalfag masses?That is what the industry has done for the past 2 decades
>>724177867They're lying, simple as.
>>724187183nah they were only in some parts like Zelda, but just looking at current pokemon fans they went over the edge. Pokemon fanatics 10 years ago were way tamer. game fanboys in general werent as batshit insane as they are since covid.
>>724195618And you consider it an improvement over what it used to be?>>724195601>The cutscene is 1-2 minutesI'm VERY concerned with the fact that you're okay with a cutscene lasting 1 or 2 minutes. And then you being okay with it being unskippable, ontop of that?
>>724194997>this is the face I'm make when I don't like an opinion
>>724193178Call of Duty being the same simple brainless nonsense Terraria is so good job fighting against yourself there.
>>724196126It's a burden when you have objectively right opinions all the time.
>>724196246>he watched nu-KotH>he uses nu-KotH as a reaction imageYou're a shill at the bare minimum.
>>724196246You'll survive
>>724196226>it's boring because there's no realistic graphics or storyokay, you can go back to FIFA and Madden any time.
>>724195864>I'm VERY concerned with the fact that you're okay with a cutscene lasting 1 or 2 minutesThat's pure cope. The fact is; it's short. Depending if it's entertaining or complete snoozefest is irrelevant since you can ignore it due the lenght. The problem is a cutscene lasting 10 minutes or more; being unskippable there is a death sentence good or bad.
>>724196440>1-2 minutes is considered short for a cutsceneI hate Neil Druckmann and Hideo Kojima so much right now.
>>724196554>Cutscene = muh movielikesRetard. I just told you the average lenght of God Hand's cutscenes.
>>724196440Nigger if a cutscene is 1 min and its skipable its ass still if it kills the flow of the game. Most games also fill their games with garbage like Pokemon ZA. Every 5 steps low effort cutscene that wastes ur time. til the end of the game/tutorial.
Their hardware is cheap fucking garbage that constantly breaks. Imagine your competition to dual shocks is drifty joycons that can detatch from the switch and be shared. Disposability was a built in feature of the joycons and they probably cost absolutely nothing to produce at the scale nintendo makes them. The switch and the wii for that matter were weak consoles that couldnt run games from other platforms. Nintendo makes so much gravy on every sale of any product because they are cheap and technically easy to produce while PC and mobile and sony and amazon all have to compete for the same batch of high end chips and cameras and whatever else that are made by exactly TSMC. Even the software is low effort to the point that you could emulate all their handheld games on an iphone and I was doing that since high school when I got my first phone.The big upside is that whenever nintendo is in poverty mode they come out with the greatest games of all time that you cant get on other systems (except emulators as stated before). The 2DS was the golden age of gaming. When nintendo stops trying to compete directly and just sticks to making cheap piece of shit consoles with high margins, thats when its the best. They also used to be bargain bin cheap and you could pick up like 20 DS games for 100 bucks, same with game cube games to a lesser extent. Nowadays with the switch I have to bum carts off of family or coworkers because they never go on sale. In fact they sell old games at 60 dollars that you could have bought at like 20 bucks in its sale period.Until nintendo goes back to poverty, we will never see another era as good as the 2ds wii era.>casuals
>>724196750And those were too long.
stick drift status?
>>724196998>Every 5 steps low effort cutscene that wastes ur time. til the end of the game/tutorial.I played a fuckton of games and these kind are still a minority in amount.
I finished my Gundam and ACfag is still shitposting. What have you guys been up to?
>>724197319>you should be okay with eating shit as long as it's not alot of shit
>>724197226Nah, they're just the right lenght.
>>724196998I like how ACfag has just completely dropped the whole>I don't swear out cussShtick over the years.
>>724197702If you love movies, sure.
pokemon za dev costs leaked and it was 20 milliona westcoast american dev alone costs 100-200k a yearthat's why they don't have to fire workers, everything they do is done cheaply.
>>724197589>assuming it still shit inherently in a medium about execution
>>724197758That's not even me lol
>>724197759>1-2 minutes cutscenes thrown away at random times are movie tier???
>>724197805>medium about interactivity>mandatory, unskippable part of a game that robs player of their agency>implying that's not executed poorly
>>724197886You're making it sound like the game would completely and utterly fall apart without these cutscenes, like a 1-2 minute cutscene is the only thing keeping the entire game together. That sounds like a bad game to me.
>>724197898>implying that's not executed poorlyThe cutscene effect and content varies; it can be entertaining, be the key moment of the game or something else. You're the only one seething about itself without considering the variable of it.>>724198005>t.IGN
>>724195864>And you consider it an improvement over what it used to be?nobody said this
>>724177923>>724177867Nintendo not need invest in ultra-graphics.Nintendo never publish anything in PCNintendo has a strict policy of $60 USD since 2001
>>724197468ACfag said he loves Nintendo and wants wife beating in games >>724194098
>>724198005>the game would completely and utterly fall apart without these cutscenesNo game suffers from this unless the gameplay is bad which is the case for moviegames like Sony's
>>724198157>>724198373>The cutscene effect and content varies; it can be entertainingSo nu-God of War is entertaining since you don't have to actually play it, and it can play itself? Thank goodness, for a second I thought it was a boring game with an even more boring story. Glad you convinced me otherwise.
>>724177867They dont use loss leaders.They dont spend money on consultants.They let literally anyone start projects.They attach popular IPs to experimental projects.Its fucking that simple
>>724198550>So nu-God of War is entertaining since you don't have to actually play it, and it can play itself?No, nu-God of War is bad and as such cutscenes made everything worse. You literally got it backwards.
>>724177867>Lost millions of pokeslop sales You better buy the toys, the amiibos and visit the museum like a good nintegoy.
>>724198702Why? Wasn't the assumption that, if it's entertaining, then it's good? And unfortunately, several million people don't agree with me when I say it's boring, and game journos all praise it as the second coming.
>>724177867They never gave up on the tried and true >software profits funds hardware R&D>hardware profits funds software developmentBusiness model. But both Xbox and Playstation did like two gens ago. That's where they started focusing on subscriptions, "engagement", and live services. Obviously Nintendo aren't perfect and Nintendo themselves have started with the NSO shit and they've got their own service games now. But they have in no way whatsoever put all their eggs in that basket. In fact there seems like they've got very few eggs in that basket all things considered. And they're still developing tons of exclusives year by year. And they remain the most consistent in making new hardware gens. So clearly, they still adhere to the old business model.
>>724198816I did. Thanks for reminding me
>>724177867Why are they running to PC and port all their games?
>>724181818wii is miles ahead the shitch
>>724180317Mario and Luigi teaming up is great to see. Still can't believe it's real.
>>724186405Nintendo might treat consumer like shit but they do treat their employees with care and loveeven the ones that somehow parted ways with them have nothing but nice things to say about working there
