How am I supposed to take video games seriously or even consider it an art form if remakes are praised by everyone in it? I'm not just talking about shill "journalists", I'm talking about actual gamers themselves getting hyped over remakes that take a complete fucking shit all over the original. At least when it comes to movies, remakes are 99% of the time fucking shat on by just about everyone, the critics and the general public.Imagine being an inspired game developer for a moment. You create a game with your team, and you want to make something that makes the players that play it feel a certain thing. You want to convey a certain message. You want to really say something. And then, a decade or two later, another studio, who had nothing to do with what you created at the time, comes along and they change fucking everything. Your carefully designed world has been altered by people who don't share that vision at all. And the absolute worst thing? The remake has replaced the original, and the original will never be ported to modern platforms again. The original is gone. Forever. These "hardcore" gamers love it. They love remakes that change everything about the original. So, if gamers don't give a fuck about video games, why should anyone who critiques video games give a fuck about it? Video games are fucking embarrassing. To call this an art form is an insult to the arts.
This bait has too many words.
>>724181982It's not bait.
I hope Bluepoint never fucking touches Bloodborne.
the original will always existand remakes will always be shit
>>724181846whatever happened to Bluepoint? The demake was 5 fucking years ago
>>724182228I used to think you were a bunch of contrian faggots, but I now kneel. Playing tactics ogre on the psp, its infinitely better than the ps5 remake. RE4 was atrocious. Best case senario is SH2 where a game of the decade ends up a mid 7/10 entry.Except rebirth. Still inferior but 9/10.
>outsider tourist fag who doesn't play games: hurr durr I can't take video games seriously or even consider it an art
>>724182103In that case, you need a change. Your personal investment in videogames is beyond retarded. They're toys and you need to grow up. You are like that faggot that cried over that Star Wars trailer, which is funny because everyone here made fun of that guy, but the pouting and complaining you see here is no different; some clown with no control leaking their shitty personality all the place when they should do something that doesn't involve consuming pigslop all day.
>>724182305Working on a demake for the PS6. They need another tech demo. My guess is, you guessed it already, Bloodborne.
I think remakes with different artistic freedoms and styles should be allowed even if its not 1:1 with the original its trying to remake as it gives opportunity for a new artist a chance to create something even greater (in a select few cases) to arise from the original idea see: Cronenbergs' The Fly, John Carpenter's The Thing, The Mummy 90's, A Fistfull of Dollars, Dune, Mann's Heat.
>>724181846The trouble is that the original devs themselves bend the knee to the remakes so everyone just uses appeal to authority. Mikami said he enjoyed RE4 remake, Tsuboyama praised SH2 remake, Miyazaki praised Demon's Souls remake. How can the players have integrity when the directors themselves don't? At least one of them should be based and call out remakes for being the slop they are
>>724182951true but there's nothing artistic about bluepoint's demake
>>724182464>OG SH2>game of the decadeNow play it instead of watching a youtube video about it. Wasn't even the game of the year
>>724183861I don't know what the video game landscape looked like back in the early 2000s, specifically 2001, but SH2's story and how it was told, seems pretty damn revolutionary. Was there another game out there that told a story that would end up having such an impact so many years later? Maybe it was not as special as I think it is. I'm open to getting educated.
>>724182951That's dependant on the remake being an actual passion project, which became antonymous with "video game remake" after the Crash N. Sayne Trilogy. Everything since has either been a 'sanitization' of the original to force it into the brand's desired identity (all Atlus rereleases, Yakuza Kiwami, REmake 3/4), an outsourced turd from some company that specializes in it so the fandom doesn't bitch about going hungry for a year (all Bluepoint/Nightdive releases), or some egocentric 'I can do it better' approach when people expressly wanted and expected the original thing quirks and all (Spyro Reignited, DRDR, FF7R)
OP's biggest issue is assuming nobody has ever or will ever play the original and the remake existing somehow erases the original from existence. That's why nobody takes him seriously.
>>724182464SH2 is mid. I don't get it. Bad gameplay, story lifted from a movie, bad VA. Only the music and atmosphere are of note
>>724184316>story lifted from a moviewhich movie?
>>724182625How could the devs have possibly forgotten about the reaper's ability to turn the sky red for absolutely no fucking reason??!
When Silent Hill 2 remake came out I just played the original instead because some anon on /v/ told me to. One year later still haven't played the remake and everything I see of it makes me feel sick. Thanks anon
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>>724182951I agree, but we have really shitty talent that doesn't improve anything. It feels like a sidetrack instead of making it deeper. The last RE2, 3, and 4 remakes all has tons of shit cut out from the original while reducing even the superficial aspects the originals had. Like Sadler being nonexistent on the calls in 4 remake compared to the original which ruined his character, Ada having the worst VA ever heard, or the redo of Ashley's character into a shitty girlboss. The only imprivement in 4Re, was Louis's involvement. Compared that to John Carpenters The Thing, and he actually added shit to the original instead of gimping it like many of these remakes love doing.
>>724182951Ok now name a video game example
>>724181846it's true - demake praising needs to be illegal
the majority of consumers of any art form is philistines and brainlets. this kind of thing is true in music, film, literature, painting, anything. (albeit not necessarily regarding remakes)Most people are fucking retarded. A smart person doesn't allow a bunch of retards to determine what he does or doesn't view as worthwhile.
>>724183594The problem is these japs are being way too polite about it with their tatemae thing even if they know the demakes ruined their creations.
Cuck Souls was built using reused assets that the developers shoved into the game to save on money and time lmao. Time to grow up, kid. Video games are products.
I have given up on games being considered art. I just enjoy what's there when I see it (because it won't be preserved).
All things considered, I think Bluepoint does a good job at what they do. They definitely take creative liberties and sometimes you'll disagree with what they change, but I think it's astonishing that they can remake old games as well as they do. It's no small feat.
Bluepoint didn't make new models for Demon Souls remake. They repurposed assets they already had.
>>724185239made up bullshit, the director has openly spoken about changing designs he didn't like and admitting to the fact that they outsourced most of the enemy designs to malaysian CG studios.
bump. the overwhelmignly positive reaction to Oblivion Remastered showed me that there is no hope left
>>724182681I can only imagine the tears if it is
>>724185459Old Hero has dog collars placed over his face. All the major redesigns happened to stuff that was unique, not in general fantasy asset libraries. Its one step further from unreal marketplace assets.
>>724185464it's amusing to see people lower the resolution right down to make the game look worse.
>>724185829The fidelity isn't the problem in that comparison, you fucking retard
>>724182681they could be working on ANY Playstation exclusive. Doesnt have to be another souls game. But considering theyve been avoiding 60fps update for BB it makes me think that might be it. I mean what else, God of war 1?
>>724185896>the resolution is unimportant so why rescale it then?
>>724185829It's not that the game looks bad. It doesn't. It's one of the best games from this generation.It's that it shat all over the lore in a game that did it's storytelling through it's environment.
>>724185829it looks bad because it's straight out of a diablo game not because of the resolution lmao
>>724186097see this post. >>724182680
>>724181846>I'm not just talking about shill You are talking about shills. Shills do not have genuine opinions and their bottom line is to promote whatever it is they are promoting. For whatever reason.
>>724182464Tactics Ogre on the PSP is also a remake
>>724186141>it looks badit's one of the best looking games I've seen. You people are fucking delusional with your sony hate
>>724185464Warcraft and its consequences has been a disaster for the vidya fantasy race.
>>724182951it doesnt give a new artist a chance to create something even greater because great artists are not chosen. The opportunity isnt given from merit its a business decision. The IP holder wants to make more money they dont want to create a "better" product. Film is still a creative medium with the directors being seen as artists. videogame companies replacing models is not creativity, especially when some of the models are actually store bought assets and the lighting systems and effects are global and not crafted for specific instances. Cronenberg decided shots, he was present during the editing and color grading process and had a hand in the creative process he didnt ask a team of 30 people to literally do a shot for shot copy and then sprinkle prettier special effects over the shots that already existed and charge moviegoers double the original price
>>724186184saar pls
>>724185986Who gives a shit? Again, it's not about the visual fidelity. If you genuinely don't see what the possible reason is that comparison was made, you're fucking retarded. Literally look at both images. What do you see?
>>724186242that was quick. still nothing new to add?
>>724186274go on, explain your autistic meltdown
>>724185829It's the art direction, not the technical specs.
>>724181846My theory is that Jews and japanese ainus created all the cool and soulful stuff. But they've gone extinct in their respective countries and now souless white and Yayoi japanese are the ones making videogames and animation.
>>724186426>the art direction>flame lurker >remake in a fire lair vs >OG is in a caveit must really spoil your day having such a terrible addition to a game
>>724186152Take your own advice if you're just upset about random opinions on the internet, sperg.
>>724186578>remake in a fire lair>vs>OG is in a caveExactly, glad you agree
>>724186724I'm not upset. I think you're a bunch of shrieking women
>>724186784yes, flame lurker - let's think for a moment what that name suggests
>Demon's Souls Remake is 5 years old.>PC fags still can't get over it and are having their meltdowns such fun to watch
>>724181846>remakes are praised by everyoneBy literally who?>I'm talking about actual gamersWho? Where? I haven't met one real human who liked the DeS demake.>The original is gone. Forever.Never happens thanks to piracy.>These "hardcore" gamers love it. They love remakes that change everything about the original.Literally who? Where?
>>724187041me
>>724182951Most of those aren't remakes, they're adaptations of source material that others also tried to adapt you dumb cunt.
>>724182680>Your personal investment in videogames is beyond retarded. They're toys and you need to grow up. Seriously, why do you niggers populate this board if all you're going to do is shit on the medium?
>>724187616You're the retarded one for desperately trying to make it something it's not and "legitimize it" like some sort of hipster. You can't enjoy anything without believing you're the smartest guy in the room and everyone is a pleb because you refuse to face the reality that games are no different than gorging on Netflix and Prime.
>>724186578>FIRE lurker belongs in a... FIRE! lair
>>724187041Maybe open your fucking eyes
>>724187120Video games are le cringe doe
>>724181846Emulation wins again
>>724187029i imagine everything is entertaining if you just say everyone is having "meltdowns" and are "seething"- but the consequence is that everyone else thinks youre mentally ill
>>724186796Okay, sharty.
>>724182680It isn't just toys, it is visual language. And people get mad enough at subversions of spoken language, you can bet they feel the same way about visual language. You have a lot of growing up to do, but I know you won't.
>>724189234Those people are angry over something they have zero control over and doesn't affect them directly. Same shit with whining. Let it roll off your back and your life will improve, but you won't let go of you petty misgivings.
>>724187827>You're the retarded one for desperately trying to make it something it's not and "legitimize it" like some sort of hipster. I don't need nor want to "legitimize" video games to anyone. In fact, trying to appeal to film Jews and hipsters is what got the gaming industry in the current predicament it's in currently. >You can't enjoy anything without believing you're the smartest guy in the room and everyone is a pleb because you refuse to face the reality that games are no different than gorging on Netflix and Prime.>translation: most entertainment is goyslopW-WOW! REALLY?? Thank you Anon, I-I had no Idea!!Fag, wanting a video game that will essentially act as a replacement for the original to retain its art style/artistic qualities isn't me trying to larp as a pseudo-intellectual Reddittranny. It's not like changing the art style benefits the game; there's no reason to alter entire character designs and landmarks as they were purely aesthetic in the first place, so why alter them at all? Your whole "games aren't that serious, bro, it's not that big of a deal" act isn't too dissimilar to how twittertards respond when a couple of Jews remove the sexual outfits from a female character in a remaster. Games are an art (although not in the ways journalists, film snobs and Redditors like to believe they are). 70% of the artistry goes into designing the game (they are primarily an interactive medium). That other 30% goes into the game's visual style, as games are a visual medium. Every time anyone has an issue with anything, people like you default to demeaning and undermining other people's hobbies and interests. Belittling everything down to make yourself seem higher. If YOU'RE so above games and what you deem as goyslop, then stop coming here.
>>724187029>said PC fags can simply emulate the originalAre consolefags this retarded? No wonder your shit boxes are diying.
>>724190204>wanting a video game that will essentially act as a replacement for the original to retain its art style/artistic qualities isn't me trying to larp as a pseudo-intellectual Reddittranny.It is, because the existence of the new game doesn't delete the previous game. Everyone else can move on with their lives, but instead you write some worthless long-winded screed that I didn't even bother reading and that no one will ever read.
>>724190464To be fair, emulation of Demon's Souls is like a castrated version of the experience. You lose the best boss in the game, forced invasions, and some other best stuff. nta
>>724190620>It is, because the existence of the new game doesn't delete the previous game.Obviously. It's still not ideal for the new version of a thing to remove a lot of the elements that made the thing inherently unique anyway; anyone who's introduced to the game via the remake won't experience the truest version of the game. Would you employ this same mentality in books? Of course not, because such a mind-set is fucking retarded. Yeah, the original version will always be there, but what happens when it isn't? The disc you own rots. You can't purchase a new copy without spending hundreds of dollars. >you can emulat-What if that's taken away from people? It's not that unrealistic to envision a future where emulating games becomes near impossible legally. In such scenarios, only the artistically inferior remake is available. >but instead you write some worthless long-winded screed that I didn't even bother reading and that no one will ever read.Again, why are you even here? What's the point of sharing your negro-tier opinion if you can't even bother?
>>724181846If I haven't played the original, and you haven't open-sourced its engine so that people can play the game on other platforms once you're done making money off the game, then I'll just play the remake, because I don't care about something I've never experienced. If you care about game preservation, do do like ID did, you open-source your engine. I can still play Doom in a variety of ways and ignore the official remaster because it was open-sourced. Want to play something that looks a lot like the original? Chocolate Doom. Want an enhanced port with texture filtering, looking up and down and jumping? GZDoom. Want to pay Microsoft for a game they never made? The official port on Steam.
>>724184291It kind of does. OG SH2 or Demon’s Souls will probably now never be ported to newer systems because the shitty remakes are the definitive versions now. You have to hope for a curator to save these games from oblivion because the companies that own these games don’t care, and eventually the originals get phased out of the public consciousness and it gets harder and harder to find. Remember how Capcom didn’t have any interest in rereleasing the original games because they considered the remakes to be the definitive experiences now?
>>724191889P.S. that's how I get to enjoy Quake 1 with the original Nightmare mode and music, and Quake 2 with the original Berserker behavior and music, thanks to ports like Mark V, VKQuake, Yamagi and KMQuake 2.
>>724181846Gay ass change. Westoid cuck developers suck shit.
>>724191685>removeNothing is removed from the original piece. This sentiment that a remake replaces the original is foolish. It hasn't happened in any other medium yet and it's not happening in videogames. If a remake comes out and new players play it and that's their experience, they were never going to play the original, simply put, because they hadn't played it already. More enterprising players might go back and play it. The original audience is unaffected. >Would you employ this same mentality in books?This is the sentiment of someone that doesn't know much about books. Yes, I would employ the same mentality. Books are frequently repackaged all the time and evaluated on their own merits. They have a word for this: a retelling. Some are more direct than others. Pride and Prejudice and Pride and Prejudice Zombies. Some are more indirect, like Circe and the Odyssey. Regardless, people into classics aren't whining about Circe, because that would be retarded.
>>724192116These games were never going to be re-released and if they were, nobody would give a fuck about them. This shit happens all the time with like the LoK remaster, the Darkstalkers remaster, and like the multiple remakes of SotC. Nobody cares. They sell like shit, and that's it. They're just dead after that.
>>724182680Yes, imagine talking about games in a video game board. Why the fuck are you even here?
>>724182680>You are like that faggot that cried over that Star Wars trailer, which is funny because everyone here made fun of that guyPeople made fun of that guy for being a mindless consoomer that got emotional over a single trailer and filmed himself doing it in a video gone viral. This is a board dedicated to video games where people are expected to express their opinions on the matter.The issue here is not 'caring about specific things/hobbies' you retarded tourist, you're acting all uppity while conflating two completely different things.
>>724192116>the shitty remakes are the definitive versions now.to WHO?who the fuck is saying "newbies should start with SH2 demake"?
>>724196612Like that anon explained, the simple fact the remakes are more accessible makes people flock to those versions by default. I don't think most streamers who are long-standing fans even play the original Demon's Souls anymore.>inb4 muh influencersThe point is that the majority will be exposed to and conditioned into thinking the remakes are the better versions.
>At least when it comes to movies, remakes are 99% of the time fucking shat on by just about everyone, the critics and the general publicwhat the fuck are you talking about?
Ok /v/ whats your example of a good remake? Shills and jeet shitposters need not apply.
>>724181846I don't give it.All they had to do was update the graphics engine, add some polygons and details, fix some of the janky animations and physics, and call it a day.Why did they take such creative liberty with the existing art direction? Like some things aren't even remotely similar to the original.Were they afraid of being criticized for just copying and pasting?Were they high on their own farts thinking they would improve it? I just want to know how these decisions were made.
>>724181846The thing about the Demon's Souls remake that bugs me the most is that it gives me the impression Sony's real goal was to spitefully replace one of Japan Studio's most important collaborative works.Well, that and that awful diamond-shaped equipment display.
>>724185829Does lowering the resolution change the art direction you fucking retard?
>>724186578>>OG is in a caveIt's an ancient temple you double nigger.
>>724185829I really like the remake, but art direction changes were terrible, specially with the music.
>>724184509Have you ever been within a hundred miles of a massive fire?
>>724185464Wow it sure is odd the BluePoint-Boletarians designed everything to look like the home of an evil fire demon before the evil fire demon moved in and took over
>>724181846it's gotten so bad that /v/, which used to be more "elitist" than the other video game forums, is mostly these braindead consoomer retards who praise every shitty demake and other new AAA releases
>>724190169It's not wrong to have standards. It's not wrong to voice your gripes with something you would otherwise have liked. Why are you like this?
>>724198278Dredd 2011.
>>724201240*2012
>>724181846I 100% believe that they changed the fat official because "muh blackface". Especially because the game came out in 2020. The year where this shit was at its peak.
>>724192116>the shitty remakes are the definitive versions nowNobody ever says this though. Piracy, emulation, and legacy hardware are still popular. There are very very few original games that it's no longer possible to play. And most of them are ones that were early DRM methods or early live service releases. And the opposition to those developments all pointed out the inevitable issues that those changes ended up creating (the end result having an expiration date).>>724197135>They're more accessible, so streamers play themSo what?
>>724182103Assuming its not bait (it clearly is) then you have picked the most retarded remake to stand your ground on. Bluepoint knocked it out of the park with this one.>inb4 cherrypicked entirely subjective collage
>>724202772>if it's fake it's real if it's real you're a stupid poopieheadriveting
>>724202280>They're more accessible, so streamers play themAre you trying to keep the thread bumped or something by forcing a reply? No one can be this retarded.
