How powerful was clover by the end of undertell yeller? Was the geno really for the pursuit of justice, or was it for the sake of LOVE?
>>724183060Who cares? Fuck monsters.
This is so fucking gay and tryhard, you are literally 15 or autistic OP
>>724183060>How powerful was clover by the end of undertell yeller?By UT human standards pretty average. >Was the geno really for the pursuit of justice, or was it for the sake of LOVE?I don't think there was a difference for him.
>>724183358This guy gets it
>>724183060This is like that photo realistic Frisk meme
>>724183358>Fuck monsters.Agreed.
Good news everyone, I can draw tile based graphics now.
>>724183060>use bug spray on an anthill>my LOVE goes to 20 and the spray can fuses to my hand
>>724183060Lv19 Clover should have tossed his gun and used finger bullets instead (badass)
>>724184035Is that basically notepad you're using to make your game? Also not sure why you're developing it in Windows XP, seems like it's self-limiting.
>>724183060>Was the geno really for the pursuit of justiceYes. It's interesting how the narrative rewards Clover for actually following his SOUL trait while punishing him in pacifist for abandoning any notion of justice. I wonder how other fan games will handle this.
>>>/vg/
>>724183060>By UT human standards pretty average.It's not like we have other examples of LV20 humans in UT besides Frisk/Chara
No one cares about your shitty irrelevant fanfic game.Here we tobychads only talk about Undertale and Deltarune>"But Toby said!"He said many things. Shut up.
>>724183843eww lesbians
>>724185452I don't get what causes people to dismiss fanworks just because they aren't official™, what causes this mindsetHappens a lot in the pokemon fandom
>>724185013>Is that basically notepad you're using to make your game?That's not Notepad, that's FB IDE, which is an integrated development environment for FreeBASIC. Though, an IDE is basically just a text editor with a built in compiler, code formatting, and error checking. All games are fundamentally made this way, since even if they use a premade engine, someone still has to code the engine in a text editor or IDE.>Also not sure why you're developing it in Windows XP,That's just what OS my PC runs. My actual targets are Windows 95 and DOS.>seems like it's self-limiting.Limitations make games better. They make most things better.
>>724184808That's why you should have fist fought them.
>>724185474surprisingly, riley is a boy
>>724185838Val looks so weird in that pic
>>724183843I need a girl who can treat me like this
>>724185950>those eyelashes>boyyeah sure, whatever makes her- I mean him happy
>>724185026I think it would be interesting to see red get explored from that lens. If its determination, and determination is will power, then imagine the player getting punished for doing things the easy way and backing down, until eventually they lose their power altogether.
>>724183060You are one ugly son of a bitch. Guess you got what you deserved
>>724185013>Is that basically notepad you're using to make your game?This is only tangentially related, but for the last couple weeks I've been using an editor without LSP properly set up. The hit to my productivity is really nowhere as bad as I thought it would be.The big thing I do quite miss is the ability to go-to-definition.
>>724185365Who is this sped?
>>724185950...But he is the girl in the relationship
>>724186557Who is this?
>>724186941>>724186372how big is Luna's cock?
>>724185452Nice opinion, now bend over and get ready to take five hundred bones in your ass
Halloweens coming up, Martlets going as a human, shes already got the hat!
>>724183843Is this game out yet?
>>724187745Where are her pants?
>>724187831demo next year, trust the plan™
>>7241871510 inches, but she can wear a strap-on upon request....Which for Riley is every other day.
>>724183060This meme was already edgy fanfiction with UT Genocide and it makes no sense at all with Clover, he's not the edgy "demon" "murderboy"He spares Martlet twice and you literally get to see what he's thinking at the end of Justicide, there's really not any ambiguity here
>>724186435>>724186941>>724188836Seeing anons go from "based hmofa chad Riley" to actively emasculating him and joking about him being a rape victim sure is somethingI won't complain tho, this shit is funny as hell
What are some interesting directions you could take character development of the protagonist in the genocide route. In Undertale Frisk becomes little more than the player making numbers go up so he can see everything. In UTY Clover became the avatar of justice, killing everyone who involved with the fate of the fallen humans, no matter how minor their role in it was. What's next?Me personally, I had the idea of the player character being like D-fens in falling down. Starting off relatively reasonable in his actions, if extreme, but slowly losing his shit over the course of all the killing, until eventually he's a lunatic who kills anyone who crosses him.
>>724189770I'm not the one making outright rape jokes, but I still see the relationship as mostly femdom and make jokes according to that.Anyway, I think the fandom will have more to discuss and move away from this humor once the game actually drops. Maybe then we can see a different side of Riley.(By that I mean the geno route.)
>>724183060Remember that flowey is still a bitch.
>>724191124soon
>>724191224canon across all timelines
>>724183770The happy tail wag makes me happy
>>724190974>Anyway, I think the fandom will have more to discuss and move away from this humor once the game actually drops. I think they might actually intensify, even more if people keep drawing Riley as a girl
>>724183358>>724183770Yes ending the monster races... by breeding them out of existence! >>724185026I sort of feel like with a lot of thing in this game was done by pure accident
I need your help anons.I'm looking for the fic that this Zenith Martlet image was based on.I don't know of it's been deleted or lost to time, but I've been looking forever.https://files.catbox.moe/xe05o5.png
>>724191857I know what fic you're referring to, and your going to have a hard time finding traces of it.I believe it was a03 at first, but then the guy deleted his account and the story.So unless saved it, and posted the contents here, it's likely to be lost forever.
>>724191224>kanako's tail wags faster after cole holds her handcute
>>724191221my current playthrough is the shades of justice mod and it's interesting to play the game without flowey constantly hovering over me as much as he usually does
>>724191857Good luck finding that fic anon.Your best bet is hoping someone else makes a brand new fic Zenith Martlet and Clover fic, featuring what's in the image.
>>724185365How many of these come from games that are still alive?
Martlet and Zartlet models are complete.https://files.catbox.moe/lijb3j.png
>>724186903looks more like a spud
>>724194028Huh, neat.You know, it still strikes me as weird that it took this long for a model like this to be made for another UTY character. To my knowledge the only character to have an nsfw model before this was Ceroba, but I'm not even sure the rest of the cast have even basic non-nsfw models for them.
>>724191857>>724192328>>724192876To anyone that's read it can you describe what happened in it, aside from the obvious.
>DT barely gets threads>UTY still gets threadsIs it really that much better???
>>724191224DRYanon, please implement this
>>724192705UTY if it was a Goobsmooch skit
>>724194740for what it's worth, it depends entirely on the character and whether or not someone wants to take the time to make the model. Kris, for example, doesn't really have one. Susie and Noelle only got models that weren't heavily stylized just recently.You can commission them, but that's not a cheap proposition.
>>724194849From what I remember there was an unbirth fic that wasn't on ao3, wattpad or any fanfic website you'd normally think of. There may have also been a second unbirth fic that was mentioned on /v/ once, but far as I know it was never found even at the time. It was just a short description that was never linked to any other fic, not even the other one I mentioned.
>>724194976These threads are mostly an excuse to keep our local fangame devs motivated, if these threads stop being made, then all the devanons will turn into dust
>>724195396I can distinctly remember that unbirth pic was based on a story of some kind, and the drawanon then drew the Zenith Martlet pic that was based on that story.But people kinda forget about the image, and the story, until someone did some digging and found the image. After that the image, the concept, and discussions about soul getting reborn as monster became a popular topic.
>>724188104On the floor, why?
>still no return to formmy form... it isn't being returned to
>>724197649I still have no clue what happens in it or why clover's a lizard. From what I heard, it's a slice of life story on the surface, so I thought that the lizard part was random and frankly unnecessary.
>>724194028are you going to release it anywhere?
>>724185838>>724185950>>724186094>>724186941>Riley looks effeminate, is soft spoken and always tries to avoid conflict>Val is hot headed, always has smug grin of his face and acts like an assholeI can already feel it and I hate it, fujos are going to go crazy once they discover the existance of Wildfire and Naranja, if Val were taller or Riley shorter they would fit pretty much all of the stereotypical yaoi pair tropes
>>724195732This unironically, finishing my fangame is high on the list of my reasons to live.
>>724197649make one in your head
>>724198268not the maker, but they're both up on smutbasehttps://files.catbox.moe/7xeeb7.png
>>724191326except the ones where momroba is a thingunless...
>>724199463for all we know, incest is legal in the underground
>>724198046Sig had a lizard version of Clover he liked to draw. That's why Clover is a lizard.
>>724198801Its funnier if Val is short and masculine, while Riley is a 6'4" twink
>>724198046it isn't quite a slice of life, there is a set goal to the story which is stopping melodythe humans were reborn as boss monsters because flowey didnt have enough human matter to make human bodies, so he had to make do with magic bodies
>>724183843>>724183770Can you guys elaborate on how these fan games are good at anything besides appealing to hmofa shit?
>>724199818Asgore legalized it for Chara and Asriel
>>724199463We need an adoptive incest Kanaclover fic
>>724200024>besides appealing to hmofa shitDoes it need anything else...?But you answer your question, these are actual games. At least, they're supposed to be.
>>724200024yellow itself doesn't have any HMOFA, and it is a fully finished fangame and is competently made, there are some roughs spots (like the start and ending) but otherwise it is an okay to good game average. the HMOFA in yellow come from fanworks where people just want to see clover and kanako togetherwildfire isn't released yet but its premise has some HMOFA on the side (and that's a good thing), but otherwise we don't know much of where the story will go since the demo isn't out yet
>>724200024They're more Undertale. If you like Undertale, you'll probably like them. Likable characters, funny writing, good music, fun gameplay, engaging story
>>724200181>taller kanakoperfection
>>724200550>shattered decade kanako is shorterI'll still take it but it did disappoint me a bit
Sex with animal women.
>>724199960It is funnier that way, but that's not how fujos work, the dominant one always has to be taller
>>724200241There's a pattern I've noticed with these fangames.>Fangames before UTY (including UTY) didn't include HMOFA>Fangames after UTY include HMOFA (or adjacent)Dreemurr Reborn is the only pre-UTY fangame that gets to claim it had a romance between leads, and even then it was only between monsters.
>>724200967I like the fire girl from naranja though
>>724200024le heckin' worldbuildingerino, mostly. I'll admit I picked up DRY after someone told me it leaned into shipping the protagonists but it does a good job at remixing the characters enough for me to try and lay out timelines of certain events and determine the relationships between people using the limited information provided to me, much like UTDR. My favorite DRY interpretation is Starlo, who's much more mature and responsible than his UTY counterpart due to a much better upbringing but is still a nerd for cowboy stuff at heart, sharing his favorite movies with Cole and such.
>>724201081>>Fangames after UTY include HMOFA (or adjacent)Besides DRY and Wildfire what fangames feature HMOFA?
>>724201012Undertale fujos are different. They like manlets.
>>724200967>>724201138What other non-animal sexable women could exist in fangames? Personally I think plant/flower women are underrated
>>724200550Of course she is going to be tall. Have you seen how tall Ceroba and Chujin are?
>>724201081I think it has more to do with Deltarune than UTY itself. Deltarune made people crave HMOFA with its constant ship baiting, and it refused to deliver, so now people turn to fangames for it.
Can you name the fangames in this pic?
>>724191857Momlet milk https://files.catbox.moe/9bde85.png
>>724201473>UT (duh)>futility (formerly reflection)>brave and bold>kindness (dead)>kindred spirits>yellow>cyan (likely dead)>cyan (still alive, barely)>?>wildfire>promise>?>lavander>switched>green starring cody>?>that one dead green>some yellow take thats dead>the green one with just humans>?>patience?
>>724201456
>>724201243tl;dr most of the monster pairings you see in >>724201473 were announced after UTYthere's a decent amount of post-Yellow fangames not in this image and a lot of them include human-monster pairings
>>724201713and over half of them are on hiatus/deadand I don't think many of those pairings are romantic
>>724201439Possessed suits of armor. Particularly seductive pieces of sentient furniture.
>>724201439Robot probably
>>724201989>is that....CHAIRIEL? OH MY GAWD IM GOONING AAAAAAGGGH
>>724202775what would the sexy chairiel darkner look like?
>>724203195Toriel clone made of fabric that sits on enemies
>>724201989>Possessed suits of armorFunnily enough, I have a living armor as one of the main bosses in my fangame, but he is a guy, so no living armor waifu
>>724194028Very nice model.Mammalian features on a bird, even if anthro, are a little off-putting. When they're covered up like in >>724199463 it's peak
>>724203324Does she have a disproportionately huge ass?
>>724203378I have a possessed armor couple in mine. So I guess if they were freaky enough, you might be able to talk them into a threesome.
>>724201689The one between cyan and wildfire is "The First Human" its a comic and not a fangame, people here make fun of it because of the author's barely disguised foot fetish
>>724203572every thread I learn something new
>>724203572>first human>has flowey and the entire current UT cast>author pulled the "its just an AU!" card when people called him out
>>724203572I find it infinitely funny that he keeps trying to pass off him obviously inserting his fetish into it as completely innocent happenstance, and keeps calling everyone else weirdos for noticing.
>>724203789You can see her feet in almost every panel that includes her, its so blalant it becomes funny
>>724203789In his defense your gambits in that scenario are either deflecting or flat-out admitting it, neither of which are good but they got themselves into that easily avoidable scenario
>>724203789The author actually changed the way she drew Marine’s feet because of how obvious it was
>>724203789You can look at their explanation and draw your own conclusion from it
>>724204239oyyyyy my goooooood
>>724204054the proper solutions are to either own it or don't acknowledge it. This is the worst path he could have taken. Undertale as a fandom is lousy with weirdos and fetishists, no one is going to bat an eye at some foot fetishist making his character barefoot, the same way no one cares if a shotafag keeps pairing Kris with Dess, or rape-posts about Noelle.
>>724204239>She breathes through her skin
>>724203572There's an older compilation by an anon as evidence, though to be fair, the character is always barefootI really think it could go either way
>>724204364>no one is going to bat an eye at some foot fetishist making his character barefoot, the same way no one cares if a shotafag keeps pairing Kris with Dess, or rape-posts about Noelle.Oh you seem to be mistaken, the Undertale fandom is divided in two groups, the pariahs which include the stuff you mentioned and the mainstream fandom, who are insanely trigger happy when it comes to cancellations and will looks for anything to try and ruin your life, the first human comic appears on the Underevent, what do you think will happen if this guy admits to have inserted his foot fetish in his comic featuring an underage character as the main target of said fetish?
>>724204925He's in Underevent? How? Do they not know?
>>724198801I think there's gonna be more comparisons drawn between Riley and Harvey (from UT Orange) since most normies are unaware of fangames that come from /v/ I really don't like how Harvey's shirt barely covers him in this
>>724205403if naranjanon puts out a competent demo, then val will be known
>>724205403Forgot to mention last week that there was an anthro girl in this game who travels with the player Now are you interested?
>>724197649im working on it slowly but surely, writer's block is a bitch
>>724184035>BASICmore like BASED-IC. rock on, brother.
>>724206189Its not like BASIC is extinct as a concept. FreeBASIC still gets updates, Microsoft still makes new versions of Visual BASIC, Blitz BASIC is still around.
>>724184808Rookie shit
>>724201989Avoid going down the sexy furniture path, I've read that SCP (before they censored it) and it destroys relationships, destroys LIVES
reminder that ceroba is fat
>>724204364fair point I didn't consider that
>>724183358Correct.
>>724208175Oh really?
Slow hours
Ceroba was always Good and Based.
Ceroba was always Bad and Cringe.
would starlo make the feisty five spam pro-ceroba posts in UTY threads
redditlet will never be good
>>724215832>dalv after his cabin fell apart
>>724183060
>>724205403I feel like the reason people keep comparing Val and Riley (besides one of them being made here) is because how opposite their personalities are, its like Val had every personality trait from Riley inverted, that's naturally going to make people draw a lot of parallels
>>724218083>That many soulsAt this point he's just killing them for sport.
I want, NEED more Underfell edgekino
>>724183060>Was the geno really for the pursuit of justiceYes.Justice was always the purpose, but LOVE fueled the pursuit of that purpose.Everything Clover did was justified and calculated.Yes, even seeking out and stomping the quirk chungus bluebird.Destroying powerful, driven monsters is a good.Rescuing the human souls and leading them to freedom is good.Justice Clover even succeeded in not being possessed by Chara unlike Frisk, probably owing to his powerful conviction.
>>724186471I like the idea, but...Wouldn't an inversion of Determination be something more like:> Going with the flow> Giving in to external pressures> Ceding decisions to others> Being indecisive or not following through.
>>724219738>Everything Clover did was justified and calculatedWhy did he shoot Starlo AFTER Starlo revealed he didn't load his gun with real ammo and gave up?
Tranny thread
>>724220120Destroying a powerful and driven monster.One that lesser monsters will rally around.
>>724201705And then she becomes a 9-ft tall spoon lol.
>>724220213>drivenHe literally couldn't bring himself to kill Clover, how is he driven?
The Mooch.
>>724219738this is a really badass based post
>>724219738>killing innocent monsters completely unrelated to the deaths of the 5 human souls>getting "freedom" for the human souls who will just dissipate into the ether as soon as you leave them alone for long enough>undoing the monsters' progress towards freedom and leaving enough of them alive so they can kill more humans to try and break the barrier, perpetuating an endless cycle of violenceYep, that's what I call justice.
>>724191221what an awful thing to say about your best friend
>>724205774>CatWhy do they always go for the most safe furry species?
>>724200024They are good for exploring aspect of the story that OG UT didn't want to or didn't have time for. What did the six humans do while in the underground? What does having a SOUL trait mean? What do other monsters think about their predicament? Why did the war happen? What was our main cast of characters up to before the events in UT? I agree with you tho. Fan games spend too much time on OC wankfests.
>>724220764Smug bint
>>724221836>kill anybody that starts shit>free the trapped human soul and send them to the afterlife>Clover informs the authorities about the sentient race that is planning total war against humanity Yep, that's what I call justice
>>724203384Maybe so, but Martlet was blessed in the chest and that should be represented.
>>724220120Genuinely what the fuck was he thinking?
>>724189947Probably a fan game where you can't progress unless you have enough LV
>>724224640>kill anybody that starts shitThat's a mighty interesting way to say "specifically hunt down anyone you can get your hands on and kill them before moving on to the next area and repeating".
>>724224856If someone tries to kill you while you're walking on public property you have the full right to defend yourself
>>724225023Cool, 'cept that's not at all what the vengeance route is in UTY.You can only commit to the route if you exhaust the monster population in each area, with the sole exception of Dalv (likely for the silver scarf item quest), meaning you have to meticulously hunt down the entire populations of entire areas in order to see the route through to the end.That ain't defense pal.
and those mindbroken/mindraped by toby ten years ago return...
>>724225198It is. Clover kills anybody whose first instinct upon seeing a human is to attack on sight. Clover also doesn't kill monsters in the overworld despite being able to as shown with Mo.
>>724225456>Clover kills anybody whose first instinct upon seeing a human is to attack on sight.Except for Martlet, who they let escape twice despite her actually trying to stop you at the midpoint of her first encounter.Also, because I'm pretty damned sure you and I have had this conversation before, that doesn't account for the fact that Flowey literally has dialogue encouraging you to stay in an area if you've missed a few monsters before proceeding. Again, that's not defense, that's intentional extermination.
>>724221836>denying monsterkind a tool to wage war against humanity>wiping out anyone involved in the killing of humans and leaving Toriel around to step in and put the ridiculous idea of breaking the barrier to rest, thus sparing survivors any future conflictYeah, it unironically was.
>>724194849I can remember bits and pieces from the Zenith martlet and Clover fic.Despite having Unbirth it wasn't really a fetishy fic, or at least it was written in a way to be taken seriously.I can give you a summary to the best of my ability.>Zenith Marlet and Clover fight like normal.>This is during phase 2 of the fight, and Clover has exhausted all their healing items.>Eventually Martlet beats him, and Clover is left in state were he's alive but essentially crippled.>Martlet has a sense of deja vu, where around this time she'd kill Clover, but goes against the thought.>Clover is taken aback because he wasn't killed like he would be in past attempts.>Martlet asks why Clover went on killing spree.>Clover tries to stay quiet until, Martlet uses green magic on him to keep alive, making it clear she won't kill until she gets answers.>Clover in his mind thinks that he might as well answer her so she''ll kill him and then he try the fight again.>Clover goes on a kind of rant about the humans deserving justice and monsters being guilty of killing them, and he hates them for that.>Martlet initially angered at the rant, keeps her cool, then asks Clover if he truly hates her.>Clover can't answer this question, and hesitates to respond, which makes Martlet realize however small there's a trace of good in him.>Clover uncomfortable that Martlet hasn't killed him, tries to bait her into killing him which she doesn't fall for. >Martlet kind of monologues about monsters, and kindness, and they would have helped Clover and whatever. And that Clover's right about them being guilty, but that didn't warrant slaughter.>Martlet then asks if Clover has a mother, to which he responds he doesn't, so Martlet responds she's going to be his mother now.>Clover is confused by this, but then panics when Martlet explains she's going to take in his soul have him be reborn into monster that's her child.There's more but I think you get the gist of it.
Would I like this game if I enjoyed UT Neutral/Geno and didn't care for pacifist? I tried it and got bored in Snowdin so I'm wondering if it gets better later.
>>724225954Yes. The pacifist route for this game is ass neutral and geno are genuinely fun.
>>724226075Alright I'll start it up again and just kill whoever annoys me/looks retarded
>>724225673>>wiping out anyone involved in the killing of humans and leaving Toriel around to step in and put the ridiculous idea of breaking the barrier to rest, thus sparing survivors any future conflictYeah, that ain't happening, Asgore is dead and so are dozens of monsters, Undyne will overthrow Toriel and she will be more bloodlusted.against humans
>>724226134Which will probably be everyone. I swear this game triggers a Pavlovian response where I get satisfaction from seeing whatever inconvenienced me get reduced to dust.
>>724226291Nobody gives a shit about no name monsters and the only relevant character to be killed is asgore. It's a neutral ending where toriel takes over and ends the project to destroy the barrier. Get over it and over yourself, retard.
The Vengeance route is literally just Dusttale but not abysmal pondscum, the world is reset one too many times, one person remembers all the countless times they've been murdered, that someone starts killing to gain the strength needed to end the endless cycle and they reluctantly kill the one person they liked to do it.
Me neede custome trackse for DRYe...
>>724226526NTA, but way to out yourself as never having played UT, since Undyne definitely cares about the "no name" monsters you kill in most of the neutral routes where she's still alive.
>>724226894NTA, but no one buys that you are not that anon.
>>724225883Not going to lie. I kinda want to know more about the story.
>>724207815qrd?
>>724227048I'm afraid that's just some mighty tough shit on your end pal.
>>724185026https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xngBF-sWsLg
>>724208175*flat
>>724215483No, he'd do it himself alongside one other mysterious Roba simp
>>724218693He even had his height inverted
>>724221836>all monsters support Asgore, so they're all accomplices in his murders >they all intend to commit more when given the opportunity>many monsters are even willing to kill humans themselvesI agree that his form of justice is extreme, but I can see the justification for every action he took, even if I disagree with them. Every monster he killed attacked him first, making them all attempted murderers, even Martlet still stood in the way of justice and was a royal guard, making her complicit. The monsters that he left alive would be imprisoned for eternity, as a punishment for their part in the human genocide scheme. The souls were trapped in limbo through no fault of their own, so he set them free, even if that freedom was just finally allowing them to die.
>>724224856Clover is incapable of initiating a fight. The monsters have to start it. Even if he was actively seeking them out, that's already more than enough justification for him. This isn't about self defense, its about bringing the monsters to justice, including all of them who would kill a human if given the chance.What Clover's doing is the equivalent of walking around in the ghetto with a bunch of gold chains in the hopes that someone robs you, so you can legally shoot them and have one less robber on the street.
>>724219901Isn't that what I said?
>>724220238Mastersword truly is a cruel bastard
I kind of wish that we got Chujin and Kanako as main cast members instead of Ceroba. We never get a monster in UT that is genuinely afraid of humans and one that has a seething hatred for humanity.
>>724228696>What Clover's doing is the equivalent of walking around in the ghetto with a bunch of gold chains in the hopes that someone robs you, so you can legally shoot them and have one less robber on the street.The problem with your metaphor here is that taking Clover, or any human's soul in the context of UT is different than robbing someone for simple personal gain. Taking a human's soul means another step towards the liberation of an entire imprisoned species, that's a far more nuanced issue than petty theft.
>>724223532>Fan games spend too much time on OC wankfests.So is your problem with the OCs, or the wank? Because I don't see how this style of fangame could be done without OCs, since all the original UT cast are thoroughly explored and have a lot of very strict narrative requirements set on them by the original game.
>>724228525>all monsters support Asgore, so they're all accomplices in his murders Except not all monsters actually do support Asgore, such as Toriel, and not all monsters even actually buy the idea that Asgore's actually going to go through with his stated plans to begin with. The only monsters in the original UT who seem to really genuinely buy into that idea are Bratty and Catty, Toriel (though she moreso fears that Asgore's going to go along with it instead of hoping for it like the other examples here), and the big conga line of random monsters who say "Aren't you excited? You're going to be free." towards the end of the game. Outside of those specific instances, the general perspective on Asgore throughout the underground is that he's a complete pushover with no real backbone, to the point that even Papyrus regards him as such.
>>724228937>seething hatred for humanity.Undyne.
>>724205403>I really don't like how Harvey's shirt barely covers him in thisThis was most likely drawn by a shota chad
Why are monster women like this?
>>724228969There are plenty of people who are poor and desperate through no fault of their own. It still doesn't give them the right to kill others for their own benefit. Those human children were innocent, and only killed because of the monsters wanted to save themselves. Or at least that's what Clover's logic would be.He has a his own justifications for his actions which make logical sense. The most you can do is disagree with them.
>>724224817Doesn't the genocide route already do that?
>>724228987The wank. I'm cool with OCs it's just that a lot of the time they don't contribute much to the story and just read out loud their character sheet.In UTY you'd think that the main theme would revolve around the concept of justice, but none of the OCs really explore that idea. The closes you get is Clover in the vengance route but it's only the retributive and restorative aspect of justice.
>>724229401>There are plenty of people who are poor and desperate through no fault of their own. It still doesn't give them the right to kill others for their own benefit.Way to misunderstand what I was saying jackass, try actually reading what I wrote next time.Killing or harming someone for your own personal, individual benefit, is wrong, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about a situation where killing just seven humans in total has the power to free potentially millions of trapped, suffering people from their unjust imprisonment.This isn't like getting jumped for wearing an expensive bracelet, this is like if I was walking around with the tape from Escape from New York on my person and got killed for it after I refused to give it up, it's a difference of scale, it's not a personal issue at that point.
>>724228937This. Kanako and Chujin are much more interesting characters conceptually than Ceroba. Everything Roba does, they can do better.
>>724229675>Everything Roba does, they can do better.Care to explain how "Neurotic mad scientist" and "Literally who?" are inherently better than a character that actually has writing?
>>724229197Undyne is too much of a silly goober who can't hold her hate for humans for too long
>>724229591>suffering people from their unjust imprisonment.>unjustLol no.The fate dealt to monsterkind by humanity was arguably *too* merciful.They should have been wiped out wholesale.Would spare us needing to listen to the limp-wristed, crocodile-tear-stained apologetics from you and your ilk.
>>724229152>and not all monsters even actually buy the idea that Asgore's actually going to go through with his stated plans to begin withAlmost all of them do, they just think Asgore is nice enough to make a special exception for Frisk because he's a nice kid. They are all (save for a few notable exceptions) absolutely ok with exterminating humanity as long as it gets them to the surface, its only after meeting Frisk that they start to question the human extermination plan.And keep in mind that we're talking specifically about what Clover knows here. The monsters want to get free, they're killing humans to do it, and monsters keep trying to kill him. For a particularly uncharitable justice autist, that's more than enough justification to kill everyone who's involved.
>>724229828>They should have been wiped out wholesale.Ah, a "humanity first" tard, I get it now.
>>724229446I was thinking more so in the sense that your journey can end at different points, but each time you can refuse and keep pushing on.
>>724229197She doesn't really hate humanity, she's just passionate about saving the monsters, and sees humans as an obstacle to that. She actually thinks humans are really cool, and would likely respect an opponent who was less of a pacifist.Chujin actively hates humanity. Views them as a despicable other race that's evil by nature, and respects nothing about them.
>>724229828>The fate dealt to monsterkind by humanity was arguably *too* merciful.>imprison entire race with a lock that can only be opened by killing members of my race>get mad when they kill members of my race to open the lock which can only be opened by killing members of my race>use this as justification for killing even more of themOf course, you won't see the issue with any of this because your brain primarily runs on circular logic such as this all the time, but just know everyone else knows you're stupid.
>>724229590Yellow kind of tries doing the justice theme with some of its characters.Starlo performs justice like its end goal is to make people happy, and when it comes to a conclusion he doesn't like with Ceroba dead he feels wronged. Martlet is the most complete character in that sense given she takes the Sans position to judge your actions and only decides your actions are beyond redemption at the very limit. Ceroba wants justice to restore what was taken from her in that very search but you beat her into accepting trading a life for another isn't justice.... Until the true pacifist ending throws that out of the window in a really bizarre way that kind of trashes everyone's characters and their sense of justice.
>>724229875Speaking as a human.Yes, threats to humanity as a collective should be stamped out unfettered by empathy.There is nothing wrong with prioritizing the survival of your own kind.In fact, it'd even go so far as declare that such an impulse to be *primordial* common sense.
>>724229873>The monsters want to get free, they're killing humans to do it, and monsters keep trying to kill him. For a particularly uncharitable justice autist, that's more than enough justification to kill everyone who's involved.Yeah, except the problem with that is that killing humans is the *only* way they have to get free, because the barrier can only be broken with the equivalent power of seven human souls, and they didn't have any alternatives at the time. If you put someone in a situation where they're *forced* to kill to survive as their *only* option, you can't say they're inherently evil for choosing self preservation. And as for the fallen humans, maybe they should've thought twice before throwing themselves into a mountain said to be occupied by monsters who desperately want to get out of the mountain and with the only way to do so being to kill humans and take their souls.Frankly, if you put yourself in that kind of situation, you can't call yourself the victim, you made your choice.
>>724229591Its a difference of scale, but the principle is the same. Bad things happening to one or more people doesn't justify them doing bad things to another innocent person. Those human kids really didn't deserve to die.Now as to whether or not you think the monsters were still justified in killing them, that's a matter of personal philosophy. I think killing for the sake of saving your people is justified, but I can see a strong argument to the contrary. It comes down to whether you think familial ties and loyalty color what counts as just, or whether justice is absolute.Geno Clover seems like the type to accuse soldiers fighting in a war of murder if they were fighting for the wrong side. But also the type to accuse anyone on the right side of doing the same if they killed any civillians in the process of ending the war.
>>724230250Well, historically speaking, nations that adhered to a similar ideology tended not to last too long themselves, but sure, sacrifice everything that makes you human in the name of trying to preserve it, see how that pans out.
>>724229754I'm saying that those basic concepts of "traumatized young girl who's terrified of humans because of a bad experience" and "mad scientist who hates humans because of what they did to his little girl" has a lot more narrative potential than "widow who killed her daughter on accident and is now trying to kill another child out of sunken cost fallacy". I'm arguing what they should have written. Not "which character is better in what they did write".
>>724230394>Invokes Godwin's lawNot even remotely comparable.Stop being such a melodramatic cunt and take the L.
>>724229875I can see a more reasonable justification for killing the monsters from a humanity first perspective. From that point of view, neither side are in the wrong. If anything the monsters are completely justified in doing everything they can to save their people, its their duty to put their friends and family's needs before those of other groups, even if that means killing the other group. But the humans are also completely justified in killing the monsters because the humans also have a duty to their own friends and families, and that duty is diametrically opposed to the monsters'.I don't think this is Clover's stance, but I do think it is a solid argument, even if I disagree with it.
>>724229924Again, doesn't the genocide route already do that?
>>724230394Everything that makes you human, according to the shitlib anon:>letting literal monsters kill you so they can keep killing more
>>724229754Chujin could go through a similar downward spiral that Ceroba went down. Except instead of blaming himself for the death of his wife he'd blame humanity and pass that hatred down to a traumatized Kanako who survived a near death encounter with a human. Kanako's story would probably revolve around helping her recover from that event or making her relive it. While with Chujin it's about proving him right or wrong through your actions.
>>724230260>If you put someone in a situation where they're *forced* to kill to survive as their *only* option, you can't say they're inherently evil for choosing self preservationThat doesn't make killing innocent human children a good thing. Its still evil, its just a necessary evil. The sticking point here is that Clover is an absolutist who doesn't believe in the concept of necessary evils. He thinks the monsters really should choose imprisonment for eternity if their only other choice is kill innocent children for freedom.> maybe they should've thought twice before throwing themselves into a mountain said to be occupied by monsters who desperately want to get out of the mountain and with the only way to do so being to kill humans and take their souls.I don't think any of them knew about the monsters, and I don't think they intentionally threw themselves down holes for the lulz.
>>724230920it only matters in the end
>>724229369She can't help herself around tall, submissive, autists.
>>724229590So how would you rewrite the UTY characters to make them not OC wank?
>>724231076The downward spiral of Kanako and Chujin together would an even more spectacular catastrophe than Roba's, since Chujin has a much greater capability to do harm due to his scientific abilities. He just competent enough to be a genuine threat when his plans go awry. Like imagine if you pushed him so far that he turned Kanako into an amalgam during a desperate attempt to protect her from you. Like he injects her with DT, absolutely sure that it will make her immortal, refusing to accept the possibility of failure because it HAS TO work. And then she starts melting right in front of his eyes.
>>724231154The end of the genocide route can happen whenever you reset the game. Sans directly points this out to you.
>>724230534Buddy, d'you see what I was replying to?Not terribly far off.
For me it's Sirra.
>>724231036Well, I was moreso saying that the existence of other peoples doesn't inherently make them a threat, but sure, willfully misinterpret what I'm saying for your own ends, that constitutes about 99% of right-wing politics these days anyway.
>>724230523You said that Chujin and Kanako were more interesting characters than Ceroba conceptually, and then proceeded to describe characters that don't actually exist.I'd agree with the idea that Chujin and Kanako could be made to be more interesting characters than the version of Ceroba we got in UTY, but that would require writing entirely new characters from scratch, and that's also not what you said.
>>724231151>I don't think any of them knew about the monsters, and I don't think they intentionally threw themselves down holes for the lulz.Mt.Ebott is said to be a legendary mountain that no one ever returns from, which was apparently the mountain's general perception from at least before Chara fell, meaning it's probably had that idea associated with it for a long while now.If you willingly decide to enter an area commonly associated with certain death like that, you've brought it on yourself.
>>724232771>You said that Chujin and Kanako were more interesting characters than Ceroba conceptually, and then proceeded to describe characters that don't actually exist.No shit, that's my point. They don't exist, but they could have, and what they could have been is more interesting than what we got with Ceroba.>but that would require writing entirely new characters from scratch, and that's also not what you said.Maybe you just misunderstood me or maybe I wasn't clear enough, because that's what I meant.
>>724232984You know how many people vacation in the bermuda triangle every year? No reasonable person is going to think that Mt Ebott is actually cursed and kills people, they'd just assume its a bunch of urban legends and folklore like every other "cursed place".
>>724233110You definitely weren't clear enough with your wording in your initial post, but I'm willing to call a draw at the idea of Chujin and Kanako having the potential to be more interesting than the version of Ceroba we got, because that's ultimately a matter of taste. I do agree Ceroba herself could also have been written better, namely by just making her not inject Kanako herself, but again, that's just a matter of hypotheticals at that point. Talking about Chujin and Kanako like this is like talking about that alternate ending idea for MGS4 that Hideo Kojima brought up at one point, it's an interesting idea, but it's ultimately just an idea for another story in another version of the game we didn't get, there's no sense in comparing it to what actually ended up being made.
>>724233197In a world where magic is real? I think a lot more people would be willing to avoid the bermuda triangle if it meant avoiding the wrath of contrived esoteric bullshit.Also, even ignoring the existence of magic, there are areas of the world marked off as being too deadly for people to explore all the time, hence the image I attached to that post. A mountain doesn't have to have a race of magical beings living under it for it to be dangerous, cavers go missing and die all the time, and I'm pretty sure monsters aren't actually real.
>>724232624too bad her game is in limbo
>>724225883That's actually kind of interesting even if it includes unbirth.
>>724233428Six humans total fell down there over the course of a few centuries. That's really not that much, not nearly as much as would die diving in underwater caves. That's less deaths than your average national park.>In a world where magic is real?humans don't know about magic, and haven't for millennia.
>>724232642Nah, all your beliefs are perfectly encapsulated in the post you replied to, soulless animal.
>>724233308>interesting idea, but it's ultimately just an idea for another story in another version of the game we didn't get, there's no sense in comparing it to what actually ended up being made.As a writer, I like to discuss these things since, even if UTY is over and done with, it could still be a good learning experience which can help with future projects. This is the Undertale fangame thread. Something very well could come of all this discussion. Maybe another fangame won't make the same mistake with its characters, maybe an anon will be inspired to make a fangame where Chujin switches places with Ceroba.
Girls, you're both ugly
>>724232624Boowomp eyes
Please....Sig.....*cough*...I-..I need Return to Form......Only it can....can cure me.....
Drawanon if you're out there, we need your presence.
>>724234070Who are you talking to?
>>724234000>mindlessly destroy anything that has the potential to be dangerous rather than attempt to develop greater understanding to achieve coexistenceAh yes, how soulful of you.
>>724234040Yes, I agree that discussion of the idea has merit, but it's a little silly to say what you initially said in your first post on the matter, that being that Chujin and Kanako are more conceptually interesting *as-is* in UTY, as opposed to just having some kind of potential in general.I agree the idea could be interesting, I was just disagreeing with what you said there specifically.
>>724234191not drawanon but if I wasn't at work I would draw something.When I get home I have no energy to draw.
>>724234120they were changed already>>724234131sig replied a while ago that he is still working on it, just going slowly due to writers block
>>724232624She looks ugly
>>724184808>fap>become cock punch
>>724234336>Kanako are more conceptually interesting *as-is* in UTY, as opposed to just having some kind of potential in general.Keep in mind that I'm saying this as a writer, so any time I'm thinking about a character, I'm thinking about where they could be going just as much as where they are. I saw the mad scientist who hates humans, and his traumatized daughter who's terrified of humans and thought that was a much more interesting concept. I could see all the directions that could be taken, which were much more interesting than the direction Ceroba was taken in.
>>724234673edward penis hands
Man, I am quite impressed that you fellas are still generally insert Carlos here chugging along. That's the power of an actually completed and conclusive project for you, I suppose. And high tier autism, but that's to be expected for this topic.Here's a little firestarter for those hoping and expecting something more than just golden endings and kitsune wifes out of your fanworks: Undertale (as a basis) is a shackle and not an anchor. There is nothing to be done, and nowhere to expand to, everything was only meant to exist in a very limited space of the original game. Racial politics, forgotten magic, cursed mountains, it's all just trappings for a story. LOVE and DT are there to put a spin on established game mechanics. Which is how you get secret branch family of boss monsters, rehashes of pacifist/genocide routes, and pointless tie-ins to the original game.You can shamelessly copy furries and silly tone and even the combat, but you need to bring your own crude eclectic taste to it. It's like that one joke about "quirky indie RPGs inspired by Earthbound about depression", the real joke being that not OFF nor Space Funeral nor Middens were in any way inspired by Mother. If you are not content with being just "an Undertale fangame", you'll need to find your own sicko spin like 7th Stand User or Barkley did.
>>724234414So, when is this coming out?
>>724231392If you want the core theme about the story to be about justice let Clover be its arbiter. Make him actively seek out information that changes the nature of the encounters and his relations with these characters. Give Martlet a reason why she desperately wants her mentor to be wrong and why she'd put her own life on the line for Clover despite it being her job to kill humans. Starlo’s primary thing should be representing all the monster that don’t agree with Asgore. This information is already in game and is told to you by Blackjack and Starlo himself in his fight. It just needs to be his main focus.Have Ceroba actually go through with her plan and take Clover to the true lab. Have her act as a foil to Clover. Utilitarianism vs justice. Magic vs determination.
>>724236640>Undertale (as a basis) is a shackle and not an anchor.I disagree. I see it as a starting point that can be taken in all manner of different directions. There's all manner background details, set dressing, and concepts that, while they may have just been created to serve the themes of Undertale, still undeniably exist. Boss monsters exist, LOVE exists, humans and monsters exist, determination exists, there was that war that happened all those centuries ago, there's the canon in universe existence of (you) the player. Lots of cool stuff to play around with. And of course there's the themes, which you're free to complement, expand on, or refute with your fangame.The reason I got into fangame development is that I saw the chance for another story to be told. New aspects of that world to be explored. New ways to examine old themes, and new themes that build upon them. I had a lot of things to say about Undertale, and I thought the best way to say them was in the form of a game.>you'll need to find your own sicko spin like 7th Stand User or Barkley did.That I do agree with. Undertale's already been done, so there's not much point point in trying to do it again. You're not Toby fox, you're you, so you should make your game, not just your best attempt at emulating Toby. Do your take on Undertale, not just Undertale again. also>7th stand userAbsolutely kino game. Playing it actually gave me some ideas for my game, as did the main anime series. Like the sequencing mechanic in that game was annoying enough that I thought it would make a great mechanic for a particular bastard enemy. Or those enemies that can only be attacked with AOE attacks, seemed like a cool gimmick worthy of stealing.Is that character in your pic one of the player stands from the game? I only know the stand I rolled at the start of the game.
>>724237593What could be a good justification for Martlet wanting to prove Chujin wrong? Some kind of idealism?
I like the idea of Kanako taking more after her father as she ages
>>724238029Mostly wishful thinking. Surely this other sentient race will at least give peace a chance and won't curb stomp us the moment we emerge from the surface if we extend the olive branch.
>>724238485NEEEERRRRDDD
>>724238897sex with nerds
Kanako with huge melons.
>>724239030determination is stored in the breasts
I want to hug this bird lass
>>724240267>nest on chairheh
>>724200967Sex with human women
>>724237569>coming outlmao
DRY tomorrow
>>724243221Its actually pretty humid where I live, I don't think it'll be dry tomorrow
>>724230394The problem with the Nazis is that they tried to preserve a fantasy concept against reality. They existed in opposition of humanity, the existence of Aryan and humanity as mutually exclusive.
>>724243630well if the Indians are any indication
>>724243772Indians are largely hindu in nature. Hinduism is a fairly humanist religion. It's less of a existential threat to humanity than evangelicalism.
Can you guys have this spergout elsewhere
>>724243221Eh, probably in a couple days
>>724244296What's the rest of the DRY cast like? I saw that third party member robot but he looked pretty lame
>>724242951That's a man
>>724244743>Calling Chujin's (second) greatest creation lameningen
>>724245145Keep telling yourself that Riley, maybe one day it will becone true
>>724244015Noelle and Kanako in a freak off, who wins?
>>724245330Even if he's an incredible faggot, he still has a cock, which makes you just as much of a faggot for fucking him.
Kanako is boring. There, I said it. She's only good at being cute, and absolutely nothing else.You might call this good woman writing, but even women have inner struggles Give her a persona 4 shadow moment
>>724245586To be fair, we only got 1.5 chapters of her, and even those are being seriously reworked.>Give her a persona 4 shadow momentNever played persona, what's that?
>>724245451
>>724245714Character struggles with the inner darkness within their subconscious self, and rejects it, ultimately hurting themselves because they're rejecting themselves. They have to accept who they truly are in order for their conscious to be one with the subconscious and to grow as a person
>>724245851We need a drawing of this with the soul as yujiro.
>>724245956So what do you think Kanako's darkness would be?My personal idea is that she has a combination of both of her parents' worst traits. Her mother's anger, her father's obsessiveness and grudge holding, and both of their inability to self reflect. She's a nice girl, unless you get on her bad side. If you do then she can be genuinely evil. And the whole time she's ruining your life, she'll think you're the one in the wrong, because she never stops to reflect on her actions.
>>724245340Noelle, Kanako isn't half as freaky
>>724247075She is still a freak though. Her tastes are just more deviantart than Noelle's fifty shades.
Kanako with hot sauce
>>724246276>So what do you think Kanako's darkness would be?Racism towards humans. She views clover like one would a pet.
>>724243221definitively soon, just finished main test of regular route and fixed all issues I foundnow I gotta do the same with the alt route and it should be ready, don't know if I will release it here before the 31st still
>>724247626So Cole is "one of the good ones" in Kanako's eyes?
>>724232984This was the sign that was actually at Mt. Ebott.>>724243845>Hinduism is a fairly humanist religionNot really in terms of valuation of human life, or belief in all life having worth (if you are reincarnated as a lower animal or dalit, you deserve it). And that's without going into its coprophilic and other weird tendencies. Evangelicalism is a threat but mainly because of it being coopted into supporting Zionism (a sort of mirror Nazism) at all costs.
>>724248553>Not really in terms of valuation of human lifeTo be sure. But it does largely care about human civilization continuing while evangelicals explicitly want to end it.
>>724248679indians seem pretty bad at maintaining a civilization but if you say so
>>724247626>I do love your father, (insert Kanaclover fankid name here), but he's more like a pet to me>Do you have any idea how long we live?
>>724247626>She views clover like one would a pet.So you're telling me CloverxKanako is 'you just know'?
>>724248424>Alt routeI thought that got cut.
>>724247626aw I don't like this
>>724247626It's funny to think that Cole is so desensitized to racism it's a narrative where he's treated terribly but the player is supposed to find it cute
>>724249231it got replaced with something elsedon't worry, kanako won't be kanakilling anyone in name of juancide anymore
What's his endgame?
>>724250296SA
>>724249795Is it still a secret? Or more of a normal path that can be found via obvious choices?
>>724250296He came looking for booty
>deltarune yellow: treat your friend well and you'll maintain a caring healthy relationship that may even progress further>deltarune: straight relationships are forced and evil, you must be better man and let your longtime friend and actually-developed friend spontaneously scissor each other
>>724251404more normal, no need for specific obscure stuff, there is more leeway
>>724205923Take your time but good to know it's still in the works.
>>724251659>Deltarune (for real): reindeer sex and con-noncon are hot. Lesbians are lame and gay
>>724183060how powerful would Jason Voorhees be if he found himself in the Underground? the logic of Undertale applies to him
>>724253142he'd probably clear it without too much effort
>>724252592Indeed
>>724253142does he have a soul or not?
>>724250296Where does the tail factor into this? Is he the true mastermind?
>>724255329I figured it was like the lure on an angler fish. Its not his actual face, its just an organ that resembles one to fool prey.
>>724255329>Those thorns on the tailOh you know EXACTLY what he is about to do to Riley with that tail
>>724253614tbf anon you could also clear the Underground without too much effort
>>724245985Which soul?
>>724248746>indians seem pretty bad at maintaining a civilizatioThey had it for longer than Europeans had civilization outside the med.
>>724256897idk I'd feel bad
>>724249202Inverted, since foxes are pretty much dogs.>>724248428He knows his place, yes. >>724249434Humanas deserve it anyway for all of the shit they caused.
>>724183060>Was the geno really for the pursuit of justice, or was it for the sake of LOVE?The way I see it, 5 humans fell down and 5 humans got killed. So Geno route is just giving the monsters the same chance they gave those 5.
>>724259535>5 humans died>Kill like 300 monsters.
humans dindu nuffun mayne integrity shaniqua she just be pickin up dey skittles mayne
>>724257990the rape soul, of course
>>724185365>Out of 12 integrity designs 8 of them have dark skin
>>724184035incredibly based
>>724259728Just kill 5 out of every 5 monsters you encounter, simple as.
>>724259728The monsters would kill more if given the opportunity.
>>724259728One human soul has the same worth as every monster soul combinedClover went easy on them
>>724227768I can't directly link the original because of the censorship (or at least I can't figure out what the hyperlink for the older revision is) so here's an off-site re-upload on a failed SCP clonehttp://rpcauthority.wikidot.com/rpc-7143-jYou can find the revision word-for-word if you go back to 2018 on the real SCP page, which was rewritten entirely due to culture war bullshithttps://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-7143-j
>>724262209I said qrd, I don't want to read two whole articles.
Remember the old OC?
>>724264386I don't think this was even posted to an UTY thread. It was in an unrelated thread to "save the princess"
>>724264386Why are foxes like this?
>>724265805the fox queen wanted the nondescript human male for herself
>>724233865>Six humans total fell down there over the course of a few centuries.Only six humans fell into the underground itself, but we also see some spiky outcroppings and whatnot around the opening to the underground, so it's possible some people went up there and died without actually ending up in the underground itself.Also, Mt.Ebott doesn't necessarily need to be responsible for hundreds of deaths in order for there to be a general advisory against travelling to/inside it, there are tons of caves and other natural formations that have been sealed off or otherwise warned about after only one or a handful of deaths, so six people dying all at the same mountain, or at the same cave opening, would actually be the sort of thing that warrants having one of those signs put up.
>>724263208They're very short but the tl;dr:>doorknob is fucking sexy>article was changed so it's a regular doorknob
>>724254040Was this with or without the "help" of the thorn ring?
Seeing how Deltarune treats Toriel, Asgore, Sans etc, Deltarune Yellow would need to ruthlessly highlight character flaws that got brushed aside in the original>Martlet is attentive but scatterbrained>forgets to put a gun away, Clover/Cole takes it and shows Kanako>Chuijin finds out, goes ballistic>yells "you could have Kanako" a lot, but never "you could have hurt yourself">meanwhile Ceroba is unbothered by her daughter playing with a gun because "she's sensible"
>>724183843Reminder that:>Riley WILL die at the end.>Luna WILL mourn his death.>Luna WILL be forever alone.>Riley's soul WILL be added to Asgore's collection.>Mr. Sunshine WILL be alive at the end (the greatest irony).>hmofa WILL be denied again.And you will not be happy.
>>724267580Riley's head looks tiny here
>>724266097Does anyone even know about that cave? You think the magic inescapable of cave would have more press and warrant an investigation for acting like an inescapable roach motelI think the obvious answer is that the stories about Mt Ebott were just folklore, and no one knew the place was actually that dangerous.
>>724267580Then what happened to Val?
>>724267580True pacifist ending should actually be a non canon ending.
>>724267574It's funny since I am doing that in my Deltarune Touhou fangame. Up to and including the likes of yukari basically being shown as psychopaths.
>>724267580I'm sure the devs hinted of an ending where they live in a cabin in snowdin
>>724267952He came, he saw, he conquered and then fucked off
>>724267952he had other plans
>>724268060Listen anon, unless you game has fluffy girls or any non human looking women instead of human (and not kemonomimi either, ie Ran), then I'm not interestedSorry
>>724268196It does actually have none human characters but they all look like actual monsters. still fluffy though, I guess.
>>724268190lmao, what the fuck is this?
>>724268190sides=gone
>>724268072Pretty sure that's at the beginning, we don't know if it'll be an ending
>>724268190kek, still waiting on that baki edit though.
>>724267580>And you will not be happy.You lot maybe, I'll be very happy.
>>724269687mr sunshine...
>>724267580good
I have finally been playing the game and I'm picking up interesting little tidbits like this. Does this imply that Clover was growing up poor?
>>724269769I'm just happy to see destiny fulfilled.No time paradoxes on my watch.
>>724269848I interpreted that to mean he was an orphan
>>724267858Depends on the era of humanity, I guess. Maybe communications technology isn't that advanced or widespread yet, and there's just a small village at the foot of the mountain where the locals simply say "don't climb that mountain, nobody who ventures to the top returns." Maybe a few journalistic articles have been written about the legend but there's no Internet to search it up or to push it to viral status. The few people who hear either don't care enough to think about it, as there must be a ton of rumors and legends everywhere... or they're someone who wants to disappear.I'm now imagining what a Tom Scott video about Mt. Ebott would entail
>>724270876Undertale takes place at least a century after 2010, and UTY only takes place a year or two before Undertale.
>>724271091We don't know if Undertale's 2010 is the same as our 2010
>>724271332they already had video cameras in the underground when Chara fell
i don't care about the plight of the human children
>>724271332NTA, but I'd say the UT world is generally meant to be a rough analog of our own world, just with the addition of monsters and magic and all that. That's why there are references to real-world nations and concepts, and that's the point of the game giving us those years in the first place, we're likely meant to be picturing this as taking place in something resembling our world, just with those certain changes.I guess the closest comparison would probably be something like Ace Combat's world, where it's not *quite* our Earth, but it's pretty clearly meant to be a sort of parallel to it.
>>724270142>>724269848this plus how readily he goes with martlet in every single neutral ending makes me think orphan as well. likely from an orphanage low on space and money, and he set off looking for some kind of purpose in life, and if the mountain that no one returns from claimed in him the process well its bot a big deal. it also makes his decision to make the sacrifice make more sense internally, as well as making it more tragic that the cast went along with it so easily.
>>724271834>be orphan>nobody cares about you>run off and fall into giant mountain hole>find some friends>nice>'yeah you should probably kill yourself, that's the best option'>turns out still nobody cares about you
>>724272058>Clover did everything right>Died unloved, uncared for, and was probably forgotten by the underground as anything other than the "Human before Frisk.">Chara did everything wrong.>Remembered as saint by everybody but Frisk, Flowey, and Alphys and most likely allowed to pass on peacefully after being saved.
>>724272058deserved the kid was clumsy enough to lose both parents
>>724272196it's not fair
>>724272058thats a little bit of a twisting on how that ending went, but honestly whats the difference. regardless of if things would have gone poorly, their reactions made no sense. I will simply refuse to believe in pacifist endings that dont end with clover coming back and the others had years to think about what they did.
>>724272196Chara was God's favorite person, he can get away with anything
>>724272196Difference being that Chara was royalty. They'd be remembered by the Underground no matter what.Clover truly was a nobody, and a jobber at that.
>>724272480Shouldn't clover be the Demiurge's favorite person?
>>724271091Am I the only one who's not happy with UTY taking place so soon before UT? The original game implies that it has been a long time since the last human fell in. I would have preferred if it was at least twenty or thirty decades of difference, and when I first played Undertale I thought for sure the yellow soul fell in about a century before (because of the cowboy aesthetic).It makes Clover's "sacrifice" all the more meaningless because he could have just stuck around for a year until Frisk came by. Besides the issue of Flowey not following through on his plan while Clover was around, it implies that all the pieces were set (aside from Clover himself) for a pacifist ending. Maybe he couldn't free the monsters, but he could have convinced the monsters to let him live like Frisk did. And if Undyne was the captain of the Royal Guard, she would have insisted on being there for his execution (invalidating the "only knew humans from legends" aspect of her character in the original game).
>>724272480chara was promised a good life and revenge 3000 years ago
Make love not war
i like to interpret the pacifist ending as "clover would rather kill himself than listen to people argue for another second"
>>724272735Did the devs ever comment on the "response" the ending got?
>>724272540>Am I the only one who's not happy with UTY taking place so soon before UT?while I haven't seen it brought up in the most recent threads, i've seen this brought up pretty frequently. Flowey also comes across as a lot more "sharp witted" I feel like. meta flowey is super cool and all, and his genocide ending dialogue is good, but none of it fits flowey
>>724273075idk most of what I learn about uty comes from the wiki or here
>>724272629Make love AND war (in the bedroom)
>>724273252
>>724272526That would be (you)
>>724272579he deserves neither
>>724272735>Martlet has after image powersRacter X Kitsy crackship evidence
>>724273914Queen MartMartMart
martlet: hi boss today at honeydew resort they were doing a buy 7 get 1 free deal so I got 8 and put all of them on your tab can you help my nephew get all of them inside I'm gonna put them in the fridge for laterberdly in the back of her car:
>>724274292Slam the brakes
i would gladly kill one million humans to save ten million monsters with my sick 360 noscope skills
Hey fellow anons, guess who it is!It took some time to make all these, as some took longer than others.But here's the drawing requests that I drew from the list I was given!Nude Martlet:https://files.catbox.moe/2x21kk.pngCole discovers DRY Zenith Martlet for the first time, at the worst time, when he was concerned for her.And sees a unforgettable sight.This request was really fun to work on:https://files.catbox.moe/qnn0yj.pngZenith Martlet Pregnant with Clover, after she gets him to settle down:https://files.catbox.moe/jirp38.pngNormal pregnant Zenith Martlet:https://files.catbox.moe/b644kg.pngNow that I've done all these, feel free to throw you ideas at me!And as usual, I'll draw some of the ideas from the list given!
>>724274598Small little edit on the top left, for the DRY Zenith Martlet and Cole image.Seems a layer duplicated itself.https://files.catbox.moe/m987bh.png
>>724274598Any chance we could get some Ceroba/Anon hmofa?
>>724274598Drawanon you draw Martlet and Zenith Martlet so well, that I just simply want you to draw them more.I don't care what it is, because I know you'll make it look good.
>>724274598I will continue my autism of asking someone to draw Zenith Martlet defending Clover/cole from something/someone.
>>724274598I can see why that Cole and dty Zenith Martlet took time to draw out, cause dude that looks amazing.You drew a freaking double page comic.I'm going to request more Cole and Martlet.
>>724274598so is dry zartlet like a werewolf?
>>724274598requesting another of those flowey gifs you did once, but its him checking in a few months on martlet and clover after the first onegreat job btw
>>724274598I see Martlet as more of a big sister figure but this art is great!
>>724274598Berdly has nipple envy for his big sister
>>724275323From what's been seen in previous images.It's kind of an accepted headcanon that dry Martlet can go Zenith at will, or when she's experiencing certain emotions, like stress to trigger it like a response.
>>724274598Could you possibly draw Martlet getting TF'd into Zartlet through sex? preferrably with the DT in the sperm being what transforms her, and it turns her from a flustered and shy first timer into a dominant and powerful partner who's ready for round two. And especially if you get her clothes ripping to pieces as she orgasmically transforms
>>724274598Chujin comes up with a new plan to make an army of boss monsters, and Ceroba helps with the experiment Chujin rapid preg's Roba
>>724274986this would be nice
>>724274598I'm always up for more Martlet and Cole interactions.How about a sequel to the image of Cole seeing Zenith for the first time.
>>724275495Martlet has and always will be momlet.She's the mum that Cole/Clover deserve, and stepped up when it counted.
>>724277667>stepped up when it countedwe were absolutely ROBBED of the scene with the guards dragging her away
>>724268190pffft
>>724274598Cole walking in on Kanako undressing
>>724277903seconding
>>724277903kanako walking in on cole undressing
>>724277903Thirding
>>724279674>she just does it like this
>>724274598Clover or Cole unable to decide if Martlet or Zenith gives better hugs.
>>724275495Hell yeah. No one else here likes sislet.
>>724279674She acts like its an accident, but its obviously on purpose
>>724268190why is Val hanging around the booty warrior?
>>724279674I imagine it being similar to pic
>>724274598Clover's point of view as he's being turned into a monster by Martlet or Zenith.
>>724280105>
>>724279964alternatively, he's only barely started undressing, shirt off at the most, and her reaction is embarrassment as if she walked in on him naked
>>724280086He's hoping someone will choose the hard way
>>724274598Kanako in full heat mode trying to get to Cole to take his virginity, and Cole locking himself in a room to protect himself.
>>724280105>tiger woman has 3 claws on each hand>human guy covered in 3 claw scratch marksenvironmental storytelling
>>724280621Kanako crawls in through the air vents to get at him
I am the only who like martlet x clover???
>>724274598Cole shocked at how big Martlet's bra's are, then even more shocked that Zenith's bra's are somehow even bigger.
>>724221836>Have to kill a few demons to free several souls from damnation.Really not hard create justification.
>>724274598Pls make martlet x clover nsfw
>>724281070There was a guy making an aged up Clover x Martlet dating sim
>>724281373Where???
>>724274598Young Cole meets Martlet for the first time.
>>724280734cole's pov:
>>724279256>>724279675Cole does it on honest accident, Kanako secretly enjoys it.>>724279674>>724279817Kanako pretends to do it on accident, much to Cole's annoyance.
>>724274598Pls make martlet x clover
>>724281431just some anon. He never released it though, and I think the project is dead now
>>724281684We need more clovlet
>>724281503fox gf jumpscare
>>724281070Clover is too young to ship with any of the adult characters
>>724281812I am talking about adult clover with martlet like anakin with padme
>>724281070u think u have it rough...
>>724281812NTA, but if people can fabricate entire new personalities for Clover and Kanako to have in order to ship them despite them never interacting with each other or generally knowing of each other's existence, I think aging up a character to pair them with someone is far from the biggest reach in the world.
>>724281947I know, but it feels different when you take two characters that are around the same age and age both of them up, compare it to aging up a small child and aging them up to ship them with an adult character, if Clover were a teen instead of a little kid I'm sure we would have way more Martlet x Clover stuff, in that case more people would be willing to age Clover up
>>724281947Exactly, clover can be one adult in Deltarune like asriel
>>724281941dalvkeeper?
>>724282125I headcanon clover with 13 and martlet with 19 because her relationship with chujin
>>724282125I mean, is it not still a little weird to pair two child characters together simply because there's no one else their age to be paired with? Does every character *need* to be paired with another character for some reason?
>>724274598PLEASE MAKE ONE CLOVER X MARTLET NSFW
>>724282192dalv and the honeydew shopkeeper
>>724282361he's already done a few
>>724274598Zenith Martlet unbirth game over screen.
>>724282432>>724282432He has done some martlet(momlet) nsfw but i am asking for one ship clover x martlet nsfw
>>724282432I think he means Martlet and Clover hooking up.Which is... well... yeah.
>>724282382I already forgot that was a thing, honestly I feel like her having no name decreased the amount of art that showed up of her, which is a shame because its a really cute design
>>724264386sometimes i miss STP threads
>>724282792Some call her Bero, I think that was the name some of her sprites had on the game files or in the concept art book, can't remember which one it was
>>724274598Cole having trouble comprehending that monsters like Kanako and Martlet are completely casual about nudity.Cole being human finds himself incredibly flustered at the thought.
>>724282876they still get made every now and then
>>724274598Zenith Martlet reassuring Cole that she's still Martlet. Just a little different than usual.
>>724282547PLEASE CLOVER X MARTLET
>>724283230why are you like this every time
>>724283280what are you talking about???
>>724283023Bor-ing
my UTY pics are in small batches sandwiched between rows of utdr ones
>>724183060what does slime milk taste like?
>>724284227cute
>>724284227who made this???
>>724284514idk but here's another image including what I think are the same OCs
Gotta love how obsessed fujos can get over certain characters
>>724284306gummy worms
>>724284786This guy draws them like duck tales OCs
>>724284227I don't care for that other one, but the Martlet and Berdly stuff is nice.
Has anyone made any art with both Martlet and the teacher bird from the anniversary stream?
>>724283230
>>724286328signirsol did>>724284306
>>724286329go touch the grass
>>724286517>he wants somebody to draw art of martlet being a pedo>he tells someone else to touch grass
i'm leaving this here you know what to dohttps://files.catbox.moe/740ee4.png
>>724281070Martlet x ME with Clover as our kid is better sorry
Well, I've managed to get sprites and tiles to play nice with each other, which is good. Now I just need to set up collision detection and a few other things. My sound library still isn't working though, which is a problem.
>>724287017Oh yeah, you know what time it is. Keep on rollin baby
>>724287067>you will never come home to your loving bird wife and your adopted cowboy son who you have to convince not to kill himself for various causeswould you rise up to the challenge?
>>724287017>>724287228we really need to figure out what to do with even second digit with 1st digits above five
>>724287017rolling
>>724287017I present myself before fate
>>724287017May as well.
>>724287325Yes, he just needs a stable loving family environment, none of this "mission" stuff. He needs to go play sheriffs and desperados outside with his friends.
>>724287768based, I'd want to give the kid a second chance even if there wasn't a bird at stake.
Mooch's lungs
Bump limit.
unhinged sociopath that murders and rapes for fun and thinks determination is God route for Kris when?
>>724287768The real truth no one's willing to accept is that every human we've seen in official UTDR content was/is a complete sociopath with an insane obsession over some kind of intrinsic ideal, and Clover displays that more than a few times in UTY. Even if Clover was given an out, it wouldn't be too long before they put themselves back in again, and went right back to the mission.
>>724288603I don't think thats quite true, I think if he got to actually go live with martlet in the neutral routes that he would have thrown himself into that life full force with how much he's shown to respect martlet. Also was it fanfiction or actually in the game somewhere that if flowey didn't mess with the switch in the ruins clover would have actually just stayed with toriel?
Goodnight /v/
hoping for fic updates soon
>>724287132What sound library are you using out of curiosity?
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