Who won
D4
POED4 dilated itself to death
D4 won
>>724196198
Where'd the last thread go
>>724196198I only played POE2 and it won because it's so probably better
>>724196198By the time Poe 2 comes out Diablo 4 will already be dead
>>724196413Sag hag maxxing is not a reason for anything
>>724196198NobodyA lot of people wasted their fucking time, but nobody won
>>724196198Poop Of Excrement II
>>724196413tits too small
>>724196413Does D4 have any nudity at all?D3 actually does.
>>724197047
>>724196198Dinosaurs won.
>>724197047>Does D4 have any nudity at all?Sort of.
>>724197274Hey I'm sold.
>>724196198Diablo 2
>>724197395Oh not this guy again
>>724196198>Who wonliterally what you're more comfortable withonly these fag devs trying to force these games to be more player engaging and community based when in their core are not. It' like trying to make a kids tabletop game of Mouse Trap to be MMO. get real
>>724197875>D4: someone rides past you, can't tell if they're an NPC>Poe2: someone standing at the well in townTHESE ARE ONLINE GAMES
>>724196198Neither.Theyre both boring copies of diablo 2.The genre needed to expand to proper 3d as Hellgate London tried to do in like 2007.Running around on flat boring flat 2d planes killing braindead enemies is stale. Whats the biggest innovation in these games? A dodge roll?Come the fuck on.Btw pso is better than diablo.
>>724197964>game requires you to be online>online gamesure faggot
>>724196198D4, just because anyone serious about playing PoE2 won't bother until it's free. The game's actual audience isn't going to pay to beta test. PoE2 wins in the long run (or goes belly up and all the resources that went into it get absorbed by PoE1 who becomes the winner)
>>724196198D4 won short-term by selling 10 million copies, but it's dead as fuck now, and PoE2 will be a better game in the long run when they release the game in like 1-2 years.
>>724197209she doesn't have to be nakey - not that blizzard would have the balls to make a sexy female antagonist (unless you're into feet) - but her design is boring
>>724198171D2R really should have got rid of immunities. Shit wasn't fun 20 years ago, it's not fun now. Why did they scrap runewords as well for 3/4?
>>724198270>D4 won short-term by selling 10 million copies, but it's dead as fuck now,Just two more weeks.
cringe marketer thread
>>724198171>Btw pso is better than diabloI agree with this take and Hellgate and 3D.The issue is Diablo II being at the center of it all alongside Diablo III's development problems.I feel like the genre is chasing something that never existed in Diablo II but they're trying to replicate it.The next problem is looking at how Phantasy Star Online 2 turned out and how Demon's Souls beat Diablo to the punch in 3D dungeon crawling.There's probably a separate timeline out there where Blizzard made Diablo Souls III and it was fully 3D like PSO and THAT would have turned into the core action adventure game we have today.
>>724198438I don't trust player statistics anymore. All the sites, even steam charts, there's weird marketing stuff behind all of them because consumers love looking at numbers go up and associating with the "winning" game.It's like Baldur's Gate 3's numbers. No way there's 1.2 million players playing this fucking game for 8 months straight.
>>724198438>counting the same 100,000 bots as a player every day>100k x 30 = wow look at our 1 million monthly players!blizzdrone retared
>>724198970>I don't trust player statistics anymore. All the sites, even steam charts, there's weird marketing stuff behind all of them because consumers love looking at numbers go up and associating with the "winning" game.>It's like Baldur's Gate 3's numbers. No way there's 1.2 million players playing this fucking game for 8 months straight.Like I said, just two more weeks.
>>724199104oh yeah it's definitely D4 that's bottedlmao
>>724196198PJD2After WoW and all the Blizzard North/Talent left Blizzard, everything is just a WoW clone with washed out murky graphics and retard balancing.
>>724196198Forgive the food analogy but both toilets lead to the same sewer.
>>724198438source on those bullshit numbers?>trust me brokys
>>724199241>>724199104How do you even infer this stuff anymore? Mmo-population says there's 200,000 people playing FFXI right now, that's not right.For D4 you can look at Steam, except no one's playing it on Steam or maybe they are
Blizztrannies coping hard ITTD4 flopparino'd
>>724198438>>724199241>he thinks activeplayer.io has accurate numbers
>>724199104>>724199280If Tencent is behind POE2, there's botting for sure. They were behind BG3 being botted as well.Chinese don't care man, they don't care about validity and honour, it's just about beating the kid next door.
>>724199510>EVERYONE IS BOTTING EXCEPT MEholy cope
>>724199319>Toilet>Food analogySAAR?
>>724199481Just two more weeks until Diablo IV is over. Trust in the plan.
>>724199437Even D3 still gets more than 3 million monthly players you really think D4 is going to be above that? Totally delusional and retarded
>>724196198PoE1 >>> D4 > PoE2
>>724199629*isn't
>>724199437i dunno. i know D4 is a seasonal game where ppl clear all the content in the week and that should be reflected on a month to month basis. I also know a huge expac came out in Oct 2024 yet the Nov numbers dont really show what youd expect there.basically jewish tricks astroturfing. thankfull Steamstats cant be bought and show the true numbers
>>724196198D4 won just because it's not in early access hell.
>>724199598It's not even worth having a conversation with you, because you are a blind and dumb fanboy.And this is coming from someone who even plays D4 every season.
>>724199790Listening to fans is the worst thing to watch developers do.It's like some weird democratic process where like the loudest gameplay opinions win and it's like, I don't care what mortimalgaming2008 wants in the game because it's not POE1, just make what you want.
>>724199849>It's not even worth having a conversation with you, because you are a blind and dumb fanboy.At the end of the day Diablo IV will keep rolling. People on here love to say "X is TOTALLY DEAD" (like WoW) and it keeps going day after day. Diablo is a massive franchise, IV sold 10MM units at launch, so it's not hard to believe it has a large population to this day. I don't think we can know for sure what the exact numbers are.
>>724200072>At the end of the day Diablo IV will keep rollingNo one said otherwise. But it definitely doesn't have 1 million concurrent players, like you are trying to suggest.>I don't think we can know for sure what the exact numbers areAs someone who plays it, reads the subreddit occasionally, and watches the youtube content creators, it's painfully obvious that the game has probably lost like 95% of its playerbase, just by looking at the numbers. In addition to that, there's also sometimes during seasons when you won't even have a full group for world bosses just a few days after season launches.
They're completely different games, like comparing call of duty to candy crush
>>724200072There was a former employee posting numbers on LinkedIn a while back.It made more than a billion $US in revenue within a year. It was publicized at $666 million $US in revenue in the first few weeks. It made around $150m in cosmetic shop sales in that same year period.That's before the expansion and not including another 15 or so months since then. It will really easily be at ~$2b $US revenue. If it's making that sort of money, it's really low IQ cope to pretend there aren't a lot of players because it's too casual for the Twitch audience.
>>724200312I think they're pretty similar
>>724196198D4 updates>different flavors of 3-colored borrowed power abilitiesPOE2 updates>devs actually listening to (some of) player feedback and making changes accordingly>permanent new mechanics and character building optionsPOE2 wins by the update quality alone, regardless of where it started from
>>724200072
>>724200665But, isn’t this because the game is in early access? Their major patches are equivalent to expansions
we lost
>>724200941>early accessI fail to see how that makes a difference. If anything, that makes things harder for GGG, because they also need to work on finishing the campaign, while Blizzard has the luxury of focusing only on patch content, since they're already in full release.
>>724196198DIV.POE2 sucks hard.
poe2
>>724200665If you're going by update quality then Last Epoch wins, actually.
>>724202241I like Last Epoch, but the game has largely remained the same for the last 2 years.
>heh atleast im not a blizpaypig
>>724202486don't see any gold/XP boosters in there so you automatically lose blizztranny
D4 is better. PoE2 will be when its actually finished in 2 years.
>>724202486On top of paid early access.And then now there's the shop tabs too, so pay up for those too.GGG went full pay to win with Tencent.
>HOW DARE YOU BLIZCHUDS MAKE FUN OF P2E >DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY STASH TABS I BOUGHT!!!!
>>724202795>>724202825>>724202828If D4 is better then why is there no D4 general? Why is there not even a Diablo general at the very least? Very strange for such a popular and beloved game to have no one playing and talking about it.
>>724202825>Founded as an independent developer, the company was majority acquired by Chinese technology company Tencent in 2018, after Tencent had published Path of Exile in China in 2017pouring one out for poe. we cant have shit.
>>724199481https://activeplayer.io/how-we-collect-data/>"we estimate using these sites">go look at how those sites get their data>we guessone of the sites straight up says it tries to track what % of a people have a trophy on playstation and how this number changes to estimate how many people are playing. except they have no idea what the total amount of players is, so they are literally guessing a number and then saying there are X active players because Y amount of trophy change.so people who already have the trophies, simply not counted as active, how increasing numbers of players actually makes the trophy % go down, well the game must be dying because the number went down.literal just "we are guessing"its as bad as that gacha site that guesses revenue based on apple store position rankings and "estimates" based on what companies said they earned when they were in that slot, which not only ignores android and pc, but also is just going to differ month to month and based on what games exist.its just literal guessing and it ignores most other apps on there
>>7242029654chan and the internet is your entire world and you are so, so pathetic and stupid lol
>>724202486>>724202825After early access game is free$27.5 ($47.5 for poe2 EA) being the mandatory purchasesMap tab - $15Currency tab - $7.5premium tab to sell - $5Free updates and expansions vs D4's b2p at $90 for base and expansions
>>724203103So the entirety of 4chan just arbitrarily hates D4 for no reason? All it takes is for two legitimate Diablo 4 fans to prop up a general... yet...
>>724199629>you really think D4 is going to be above that?I wouldn't be surprised if it was, playing D4 caused me go back to D3.
>>724203196kek you really think this place is representative and that 4chan generals aren't mostly propped up by paid shills
>>724203327>NO YOU SEE DIABLO 4 IS THE ONLY REAL GAME IN THE WORLD EVERYONE ELSE IS A MARKETER Take your meds retard
>>724196198Neither. Diablo 2 is still king.
>>724203394lmao meltdown
>P2E NUMBER ONE GAME>D4 DOESN"T EVEN HAVE GENERAL THREAD ON 4CHAD SAAR
>>724203440>>724203439cope
Crazy how Blizzard still has retards on the payroll. Diablo 4 crashed hard and no one is left playing it, what's the point?
>>724203759yeah amazing, it's a totally dead game with noone playing it but they somehow are able to afford to pay shills to spam a basketweaving forumjust insane to think really
>>724203936Blizzard has always been about astroturfing and creating false images
>>724203936it's pretty dead. they did almost everything wrong, so it shouldn't really come as a surprise to anyone.
I'm just happy for everyone to realize how fucking annoying P2E gamers are
>>724204325What the fuck is "P2E"?
>>724204325they're low IQ vermin, truly
>>724197047Nipples on Andariel.
>>724204325i'm excited to see what krafton cook up for last epoch now they they are an "AI-first" company.
>>724204454nope
>>724202965I actually know the reason here, it’s because Diablo’s player base is older plus there’s no dedicated schizo to bump the thread. If you have a player base of 20 year olds and a few south East Asians? You bet you’re ass you’ve got a general on 4chan.
>>724196198I can't think of a single way which D4 isn't inferior to PoE2, except maybe letting you customize your character which is such a small feature that it barely even matters.
>>724205064Or... it's a bad game with no players.
>>724196198>Who wonThe shareholders. Definitely not the gamers.
>>724205064>d4 is good and has lots of players.. they just don't use>the official forum>discord>reddit>twitch>youtube>twitter>4chan>the ingame chat
>>724205608grimgrimdark even
>>724205608Yeah because us dad gamers don’t have the time for it. But we’ll watch some boomer talk about it for 30 minutes for 144k viewer
>>724196198Nobody, really. Especially not the audience.
>>724205608it's a casual game so... yes? why should the metrics follow other games that obviously cater to a hardcore audience?also the "in-game chat" is also instance based it's not a global chat and there's a decent amount of people on reddit
>>724205758excuse 1>>724205893excuse 2keep em comin boys
>>724205893>and there's a decent amount of people on reddit98% of the threads on the official D4 subreddit gets like 50-100 upvotes and 10-50 comments.Go see for yourself right now.
>>724205893when did d4 become a casual game? or is that just a cope for why no one plays it.
>>724205993D4 is going to live rent-free in your schizo head for your whole life because only your personal headcanon matters
Both were ruined by ARPG players.
>>724196198You ever have moments where you realize you’re arguing over a video game on a 20 year old image board and none of it really matters and why does everyone have some pathological need to hate anothee group? Is it just a human thing? All of this is so stupid. Why are we doing this? The world is falling apart and we’re arguing over which video game is better on a 20 year old image board. What even is this crap? How did I get here
>>724206171here is that uber casual game i was telling you about.>We had the assumption that D4 was meant to be more D2-like.>And so one of the assumptions was that people were going to be okay with the long grind for the Unique or an Uber Unique in particular, because in Diablo II, it can go years. >And so we were like, okay, this is what people love about the progression of D2, that idea of that very long chase. And so we launched that way with D4
>>724206315>The world is falling apartIt's not, grow the fuck up you hysterical retard.
>>724206141There are more people that play D4 on Steam (which doesn't include Battlenet PC or console player numbers) than are currently playing PoE.But the PoE subreddit has way more discussion.How do you account for that with a smoothbrain?Can you conceive of a reality where there just is not a lot of reason to discuss D4 and people just play it or is the only possible reality that people obsess and troon out about the games they play?
>>724206389>There are more people that play D4 on Steam (which doesn't include Battlenet PC or console player numbers) than are currently playing PoE.Are you unaware that people can literally fact check these things instantly?
I unironically really like diablo 3
>>724206537I said PoE not PoE 2 you stupid retard
>>724206389the last path of exile 'season' ended. the new 'season' starts in a few days.
>>724206389>days away from a new league>everyone is yapping about their leaguestarts and speculating what builds/strategies are gonna be good>DUUUHUURRP WHY ARE PEOPLE TALKING BUT NOT PLAYING?
>>724206602R E T A R D
>>724206565This entire thread is about D4 vs PoE2.
Blizzard needs to hire a new shill team, this one ITT is extra stinky and dumb
>>724206565poe 1 is 15 years old and it has a more active community than diablo 4. not exactly something to brag about.
>D4's main competition is a free game from 2013
>>724206762I'm not bragging you stupid faggot. I'm making the point that the game has a different, much more casual, normie audience.Reddit, 4chan, Twitch, Youtube is not the whole world.
>>724206849D4's actual competition is its own development team. They are currently on the 4th or 5th massive overhaul of the whole game, desperately trying to fix it to get people to come back right before they launch the next expansion.
>>724206914That's cope. You just refuse to admit it's a dead bad game.
>Path of Exile 2 released in early access on Friday, December 6, 2024Here's the thing. I heard with my own ears PoE devs say they thought the early access was only gonna be 6 months. What sort of drugs are they smoking and is it any different from whatever D4 devs are on?
>>724196198D4 is so fucking boring to play, when the beta and game first dropped I was hooked but these days I can't play for that long at all.
>>724207020D4 is a complete game with an expansion and it's still getting raped+gaped by an early access beta in version... 0.3.
>>724196198fuck both for live service only.
>>724207020>What sort of drugs are they smokingTheir plans have been all over the place. First it was just gonna be a different campaign in the same game, then different campaigns in different games, then 2 completely separate games, then they were going to keep multi-development on both games at once, then they were going to ditch PoE1 entirely, then they went back to making PoE1 like a testing ground, etc. etc.>and is it any different from whatever D4 devs are on?D4 keeps doing stupid shit that the players don't want. PoE2 keeps doing things that the players do want, it just takes ages for them to come around. So in a year or two when PoE2 actually hits 1.0 it will very likely be a good game.
Uh oh melty
>>724199652POE1>D3>D2>D4>POE2>Grim Dawn
>>724206914>much more casuali think this is a great example of blizzards ability to really nail their design goals.they made diablo 4 SO casual that people don't even bother playing it.
>>724196198Well, D4 continues to be a good game and the devs improve it with every patch. The POE2 dev team are slowly undoing the original design of the game as they complete it, so it's currently a mess and will be for the foreseeable future. So I'd say that D4 is winning and will continue to.
>>724206208>what if like, at the end of the game like, there were fucking numbers and ice blasts flooding the screen and
>>724207476They get about 50k players concurrent on season launch on Steam which (being generous) is probably about 5% of players. You've got nothing to dispute that logic except cope and dumb memes and it makes you seethe uncontrollably.
>>724206315Spoken like a true Exiletard I mean Diablocuck. When this shit really hits home is when there’s a dedicated autistic that starts dumping CP and gore when they get upset over a thread topic.
>>724207602LMAO
>>724206323Who are you quotingHello
>>724196198They were both so bad the entire genre is in decline kek
GGG said they will fix the endgame in december, it's going to be so good guys, r-right? This time it'll be different.
>>724207781that was a quote from the general director of the diablo franchise.https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/is-there-a-paladin-in-diablo-4
>>724206564can you believe it took poe 10+ years to become diablo 3???
D2If you waste your time on POE2, it's your own life retard.
>>724206564but the art style Don’t you want people being chopped up and their innards hanging out on sacrificial alters and people being flayed aliveI like d3s artstyle, feels like Muppet Monster Adventure
>>724203196>>724203327
>>724207079>it’s boring>I was hookedWhich is itBro got whiplash like his girl cheated on him
>>724207310HE MELTIN
>>724207105>game comes out and you have to wait for a sequel for 4 years: yesss ong so good>game with constant updates: NOOOO FUCK THIS SHIT NOOOO
>>724208134Name one good area in d2
>>724208483yes.
>>724208483faggot lair
>>724208559Diablo II fans real quiet since this post dropped
uh oh
>>724208314yeah now it's boring, back when it first came out I really enjoyed it though
>>724208726now we know for SURE that d4 is dead and gay
Doesn’t DIV have a new PTR?
Tencent shill thread
poe2 gear is fucking dogshit
>>724209167>>724209196you lost btw
>>724209234You don't think the gear is absolute dogshit?
>>724196198PoE2 isn't even a full game yet and it already won.
sleepycat is a retarded fucking nigger
>>724209196>poe2 gearThe itemization and crafting have improved massively in the last update.
>>724205758>Yeah because us dad gamers don’t have the time for it.Strangely you seem to have the time to shitpost on /v/ all night.
>>724209357It will remain as generic gear with random modifiers and you know it.
>>724196198Me. Because I didnt buy one of these shit games.
>>724209365/v/ is the only metric that matters. Reply count is king. YouTube views, twitch views, reddit posts, player counts; all superfluous.
>>724209409>genericAs opposed to?>random modifiersSame as every other ARPG then? Also, you can craft gear with very little randomness in 0.3
>>724209658>As opposed to?Uniques nigga, you are playing with generic passive stats from start to end, grinding your life away for percentages, this is wrong, this is not the way. If you are going to grind your life away at least grind something cool.
I’m a new player to both games, but I can’t understand POe2’s nuances. Things like getting new/upgrading skills, I can’t even articulate in this post what the process actually is. D4 gives you skill points and you assign them. Done.
>>724208726poe gameplay loop is mapping for divs to you can trade for your buildD4 gameplay loop is farming for 0.1% dmg increases for your main skillboth are braindead in differing ways and shit on what made diablo good in the first place being the atmosphere, art, music, storypoe2 was supposed to be a return to traditional arpg form but endgame builds are still just the same 1 click screen clear spam as poe1 so the 'vision' the devs bragged about having is completely redundant
>>724209758>im a retardgot it
>>724209727https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sGaFlMf66Uprobably cooler than anything i every player or saw in diablo 4.
>>724209562>Reply count is king.So PoE 2 wins then by default.
>>724209658poe2 itemization is getting main weapon dmg good, no weapon dmg bricks the itembeing able to multiply your dmg with a 90% increased physical damage roll on a melee vs not rolling that 1 specific mod is stupid and makes the weapon completely worthlessit's a lottery machine for retards who love to waste their time and act like it takes skill when they just slam consumables on every piece of gear that drops
>Most Popular With Mentally Ill Trannies Award 2025
>>724209562>/v/ is the only metric that matters. Reply count is king. Damn, then CS must be dead, rather than being one of the most played games on the planet.
>>724209809and you're just braindead clearing like in D3what's the point of a hardcore game that can be cheesed with trade abuse for builds like this?never going to make something like that on SSF without weeks of farming
>>724209809if you say so, gameplay looks beyond retarded
>>724209932kek perfect description of poe
>>724209758PoE2's nuance is deciding what build you will play before you even start leveling, looking up every single piece of gear in the entire game on a shittyass eurotrash website, trading for that gear at the optimal point in your leveling/endgaming and then pretending you are several hundred IQ points smarter than any drooling D4 retard.
>>724209994>where unique that good? no interest item in game! >uhhh nevermind that! me no understan why you kill monster? no nice!! kek
>>724209954Correct. Who plays CS? Russians, streamers. Their relevance? 0.
>>724209994diablo 4s gameplayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StiNp-LCnYw
>>724210030D4s cookie cutter builds tuned by devs vs poe.ninja builds who use 3rd party sites to minmax dps and trade for gear, same shitty disease caused by trading jews from diablo 2
>>724210080All poe2 gameplay looks the same, so much for unique item doing unique thing, it's a testament to how shallow poe 2. Why not play merc or whatever if you want to run around shooting lightning, oh wait all classes do that. Look at the fucking uniques modifiers%more damage% more damage%%%
>>724207954Jonathan is just stubborn because he probably already had a league mechanic for 1.0 and beyond that have towers and the current mapping system in mind.They'll change it eventually, like poe1 did several times over. What's the rush? We all know you'll be there day 1 on every new league anyway.
>>724210150Looks sick. It’s crazy that the devs let you experiment this much. Gringing Gear though can’t do this because they have to watch the local natives perform the Hakka before they release patch notes
>>724210150And this is why D4 is better, despite being turbo dogshit you still have unique and dumb builds because the game despite being extremely simple it's not as shallow as poe2, reminds me of shouting barb from d2. Anyways grind on gamers, i'm sure it's worth your time.
D4 Poo2 is Poop
>>724210330That’s not fair. You Albany use alliteration. Diablo Diaper IV
At least D4 feels like a game. PoE2 feels like a digital tranny containment environment
>>724210483>PATH OF EXILE HELPED ME DISCOVER MY GENDER IDENITY
>>724210483>>724210569Blizztrannies projecting again.
>>724210569zoomer gameand zoomer are tranniesmakes sense
>>724210647blud in da waata!
>>724209770>poe2 was supposed to be a return to traditional arpg form but endgame builds are still just the same 1 click screen clear spam as poe1 so the 'vision' the devs bragged about having is completely redundanthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM4-ZAAVIOUThat's because newfaggot tourists have more money in their masses than actual people with taste. Unfortunately these games will always fall to the 1 click screen clear slot machine design because that's what brings money first and foremost.
>>724210626ds larry is a tranny
>>724210721generic chink fantasy, we went from killing demons with warriors and big tittied bitches to some old brown lady we wuz kangs n shieti hate this gay niggerfaggot generation of zoomers so much its unreal
>>724210779projection
>>724210483https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCWTmNe6Ly0This is where your money is going to when you spend it on D4 btw
>>724210150mfs need build guides for D4? lmoastill looks more fun than PoE since builds are achievable without being a trading jew
>>724210837yes, blizzard are an inclusive company. whats the big deal? trans people exist, you don't need to be an asshat about it. some of their best designers are trans and non-binary.
Yep, definitely over the target LMAO
>>724210837food? oh no
>>724210837is that a bad thing? poe releases $90 packs every league and all the league is usually just another crafting mechanic nobody bothers with cause they're all trading trannies anyway who buy their buildsggg even release offline trades because they know its the only thing endgame troons have to keep them occupied cause the gameplay is all the same braindead blasting as d3 and d4 just with more ego
>>724209770>>724210762No thats just the nature of the mapping system. Because players can overlevel all the content, which inevitably means your character starts clearing screens of monsters 15 levels below you no matter what. Why the campaign feels more difficult is because theres a stricter XP control in each area, where the player level in each area is max 2 levels above, usually same or even 1 level below.If you would just stay in the starting area in Act 1 farming zombies and ice wolves for a day or two, then yes the rest of the areas you would destroy with ease, including Act 1 boss the wolf guy.
>>724211068iirc the backlash there was just how shit diablo 4 was, they had just gotten btfo by poe2, rod had a meltie on twitter, then they posted that gay cooking video.
>>724210837>No breastmilk in the ingredients.I call fake.
>>724211228>Because players can overlevel all the contentbad design, what's the point of advertising a hardcore arpg experience then?campaign isnt hard either, things are blatantly overtuned for crowd appeal like the monkey boss doing over 700 dmg with his slam when players will like have around 600 minimum
what happened to all the p2e youtubers tripolar bear went blind, im pretty sure grimro is in a mental aslyum now also
>>724210837I like d4, but the game has the weirdest adverting I’ve ever seen in gaming. It reeks of all being produced by a group of 39 year old women without kids who don’t play games.
>>724209727>uniquesPlenty of uniques in the game, with quite a few build-enabling ones.>>724209890>main weapon dmg goodOnly if you play attack builds. Spells or minions don't use weapon damage.Also, you can craft a phys weapon pretty much 100% deterministically now.
>>724210951>asshatOh no, where’s this nigga from
>>724211440>bad design, what's the point of advertising a hardcore arpg experience then?Funny you say that because hardcore players regularly grind safe areas to overlevel and easily crush the actually dangerous areas and bosses.>things are blatantly overtuned for crowd appeal like the monkey boss doing over 700 dmg with his slam when players will like have around 600 minimumI tanked the ghost run explosion thing with my Warrior build. Maybe your build was just shit?
>>724211458>Also, you can craft a phys weapon pretty much 100% deterministically now.all luck based, not the point of the post, a weapon in D4 will be decent and only be improved with a good roll not completely useless as a white with fuckin light radius, accuracy and a +3 dex roll>Spells or minions don't use weapon damage.no spell dmg %increase or +to level of spell skills is equally worthless on wands, who are you trying to convince that the itemization isnt still dogshit? add benches already
>>724196198I only gave D4 once chance and I quit at level 21 or something because the game was so lame.Not sure that means it's worse than poe2 though
>>724211557>I tanked the ghost run explosion thing with my Warrior buildthe monkey slam from act 2 retard, nobody has only 600 hp beyond act 3 are you slow or just didnt play the game
Apparently DIV is releasing a Chinese client in December
why are all poe fans massively cringe?
>>724211009>not on making the game betterI rest my case
>>724211458>Plenty of uniques in the game, with quite a few build-enabling ones.Mogged by a 30 year old rune system that doesn't require you to be a slave and it's 10x more fun.Crazy
>>724211657>from act 2Silver monkey is in Act 3, so who is the retard?
>>724211732poe.ninja meta slave or looking up d2 rune guide for meta follower weapons is the same cup of faggot shitpoe is merely an evolution of everything that d2 catered to with addicts instead of the good parts that made the game a classic with memorable npcs, story, graphics and sound design
>>724207385This, but GD equal to PoE1 instead
>>724211776either way 1 shots is bad design in game you can cheese just bypass with overlevelingit's hardcore or it's not, pumping in time shouldn't make it easier arbitrarily
>>724211732a 30 year old rune system that boils down to infinity and enigma.
Neither, ARPG crown was returned back to Japan where it belongs when Demon's Souls came out.**Disclaimer: 'Diablo' and it's ilk are themselves a subgenre of ARPG and are not mainline ARPG, ARPG was pioneered by Dragon Slayer and then The Legend of Zelda. Diablo/Path of Exile are turned based isometric dungeon looters, their have diceroll hit/miss mechanics on attacks therefore they are not real time action combat, they are simply very cyclical turns happening constantly. In Path of Exile 2 'your turn' is when you can attack and not instantly die to the kaleidoscope at 2fps on screen.Diablo was only good with the very first game where it wasn't a slot machine and was infact an atmospheric dungeon crawler, the loot being supplementary to the adventure. Diablo 2 was when gambling/slot machine mentality took over.Path of Exile is the worst most scummy variant of these games where it's an always online game that is literally owned 100% (GGG the developer is a completely Chinese owned company) and they likely sell the users data.Elden Ring is the latest and greatest ARPG game, does not have microtransactions, has ascnchronus multiplayer for at least 10 years after the product has been purchased (as evident with their past titles, Demon's Souls servers were finally shut off in 2018, Bloodborne is now 10 years old and it's servers still running etc). They do not require nickle and diming their customers to continue to uphold the games functionality.Buying Diablo or Path of Exile in any regard is to fund greedy chinese people and play into gambling mentality and artificial difficulty games, where linearly things progress where a random skeleton you encountered in the beginning of the game now deals more damage than the final boss of the game, because the developers don't know how to actually build a videogame and suffers real life inflationary situation the developers encourage, because they're midwidts.tl;dr Diablo 4 beats PoE because it has more sales.
>>724211925Yes.
>>724196198>garbage vs garbagenot the consumer
>>724211959BasedFuck Chinks
>>724211959tl;dr everyone shilling diablo4 itt doesn't actually play it, they are all poe doomers.
>>724212091evidence differs
I still can’t get over how bad PoE2 is
>>724212334PoE2 has the awkward problem of being a game that is made incredibly well by all the creative people involved, but the game programming and game design is absolutely abysmall dogshit. Just the worst game design imaginable, attached to the most sophisticated visual, sound and art design out there. Diablo 4 looks like a cartoon game compared to PoE2...but PoE2 is just so shallow. The passive skill tree is an absolutely horrendous limitation that stifles build design, leading players to play all the same characters in the same way. The game also has horrific use of MTX where you're forced to see all sorts of garbage on your screen in towns, it's a very poor play experience.
>>724196198I have never liked an ARPG aside from Diablo 2
>>724212485Cringe
>>724212279there have been 3 diablo 4 generals on /vm/ since july. >jul 6th - sept 16th>sept 16th - oct 17thand the current thread, which is averaging 16 posts a day. not many flox thinkin about or playing d4.
>>724198438>completely dead on twitch>doesn't even have a general on /vg/ anymoreI doubt those numbers
>>724196198I'm not playing either of them. Files too large to download for me (edge of small town almost nothing exists here) or too expensive for what is worth. At least i didn't really enjoy playing D4.Though i played and enjoyed PoE a lot so i imagine PoE2 is still as good.Still because of shitty internet conneciton i don't play either of them because i never know when it will be so fucking shit, it disconnects me every few minutes.I rather play torchlight, diablo 2 or Fate (it also got a remake or remaster i will get in the future)
>>724212485>attached to the most sophisticated visual, sound and art design out thereWeak.
PoE feels so fucking awful to play and I have no idea how people have managed to play it for so long.
>>724212485>The passive skill tree is an absolutely horrendous limitation that stifles build design, leading players to play all the same characters in the same wayThe tree in PoE1 isn't any different. You are forced to pick health nodes first, then whatever secondary survivability your armor has second, thirdly you go for any nearby resistance nodes that offer a significant boost, and then whatever is left you put into the weapon you're using.
>>724213317Mental illness and poverty stricken third worlders chasing white RMT dollars
>>724211959>Neither, ARPG crown was returned back to Japan where it belongs when Demon's Souls came out.Demons Souls is J-Action
>>724213317I booted it up once and found the basic attack animation was timed wrong, turned it off.
>>724196198D4 wonhttps://files.catbox.moe/412ocx.mp4
>>724211959Post is 100$. The problem now is as soon as Diablo V is revealed to be a Demons Souls clone, people on the internet will whine for years because it’s not isometric. Imagine an Elden Ring game with Ninja Gaiden 4, D4 loot drops and Phantasy Star random dungeons. That’s the true dream game.
>>724214305Moar
>>724198419runewords are a war crime.
PoE2 is the KINO saving gamingD4 is Reddit zoomer woke SLOP for plebs
>>724216727*rolls out of the way of your opinion*
>>724205064You actually don't realize that the poe general is the oldest general on /vg/.It came out at around the same time as vg was launched so it has always had a general. At least a quarter of the people on the chat channel 1488 are old as fuck weirdos.
>>724218105Wrong. The oldest are dueling network, StarCraft and Katawa.
>>724218105Diablo had a general as well, but I don’t know the story there. It’s on /vm/ now.
>>724218375Im pretty sure the katawa shoujo one was propped up by 1 guy on 2 ips. The poe general has never fallen off the board for any amount of time.>>724218426So diablo general died somewhere around diablo 3 2016 then it had a d4 general for a few months and then had no discussion and it got revived on the slower vm board.
>>724211959>Diablo 4 beats PoE because it has more sales.citation needed
>>724219020It doesn't matter if it has sales, no life loser whales waste millions on poe 2 garbage and Diablo iv garbage. These people are actually killing the games
>>724217220If the roll is bad then why has every other ARPG copied it?Even Grim Dawn added a baseline movement dash.Also proper WASD support, not just mapping wasd to controller input.
>>724196198Both of those games are trash I have no clue what is wrong with you people
>>724219310>rollslop but isometric
>>724219190>why has every other ARPG copied it?Humans are social animals, they do what other do. In general - 10% control 90%, that's every society ever. 10% of companies set what 90% copy.
>>724196198poe2 is not released yet so this is a retard comparison
>>724219310>RollslopHAHHAHA!!HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
