don't know anything about lord of the rings besides the most common references, will I get lost in the story?
>>724203013luckily for you it's a fanfic that's only vaguely related to the lord of the rings universe
>>724203013>just realized this game is over 10 years oldFUCK FUCK FUCK
>>724203013Story is completely standalone and doesn't matter anyway. Fun game. >SPEARS MAKE DA BEST WEAPONS. YA GOT REACH AND YA GOT SHARP
>play game>get murdered by offscreen crossbow boltsWhy it do me like that?
>SUFFER ME NOW
>>724203013it barely has a story and there's a literal DARK LORD and you're the warrior of light. i think you can keep up
>>724203013the sequel is way better, play that instead
>>724203013Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War are amazing games. Amazing gameplay in both and, despite being non canon, I think it's the best non canon LOTR project ever made.
I remember there being a lot of button mashing
>>724203013Why they don't make more games like this?
>>724206371Yeah it 100% is. Shadow of War has a lot of stuff to do. It's a shame they tried to jump into the microtransaction pool as one of the pioneers, only for it to end up being an everyday thing in gaming now. Makes you think how consumer perceptions changed.
>>724207320SEX
>>724203013One of the most boring games ever made.
>>724203013THE RING TALION THE RING>THE RING TALION THE RINGTHE RING TALION THE RING>THE RING TALION THE RINGTHE RING TALION THE RING>THE RING TALION THE RINGTHE RING TALION THE RING>THE RING TALION THE RINGTHE RING TALION THE RING>THE RING TALION THE RING
>>724207320>Christopher, my son,
>>724207320christopher, my son...
I really enjoyed SoM, still haven't played Shadow of War but one of these days. Have it on steam/
>>724203013>playing Fuck Tolkien: The Game>durr will I get the lore?!
Lore is just a bonus and even fans of Tolkein don't have the full lore of Middle Earth. Just play it. It's fun especially when you start collecting Uruk's and letting them fight each other like Pokemon
>>724203372The worst part is WB SITTING ON THE MOTHERFUCKING NEMESIS SYSTEM PATENT.One of the innovations of the 2010s that had the most potential, and no-one ever gets to do anything with it. Holy fuck it pisses me off.
>>724207320Honestly, this was bigger lore rape than the Gondorian negro. Shelob is supposed to be a Lovecraft-tier cosmic abomination, not an Onlyfans thot.
>>724209589I never get this complaint especially now that its been a decade. Nemesis really only works for these Mordor games. Really what other game would have benefit from it other than Soulsborn? Besides it shouldn't be this difficult to just make a distinct version of it. A lot of games have enemies who comment on your death or adapt to your moves.
>>724203013you really don't need to know shit about lotr to play it
>>724209815literally anything that involves open world and randomly generated enemies, dumbass.>just make it distinctthat relies ENTIRELY on how bullshit the patent is, shut the fuck up.Look at nintendo patenting the act of capturing creatures and fighting with them.NOT palword, this is a NEW patent they registered with america.
>>724203013This game is complete dogshit, avoid at all costs, it's the most repetitive trash imaginable, and the combat is terrible
>>724209815open world rpgs of all kinds would benefit from it, mmo's potentially, strategy games in the style of total war, hell if your game is expansive enough you could use it in some mission to mission based games
>>724207320One of the most attractive women in all of vidya history
>>724209815really weird thing is Hogwarts Legacy you can tell they wanted to do something like it, but then didn't go all the way through with it for some reason even tho it is a WB game. So there's just an encyclopedia of named enemies that is completely uselessdoubt it would have helped that game much tho bc the open world completely soils it
>>724209685Oh, stop. Its a giant spider. There is no other interpretation than giant spider.
>>724209589Just make a system that looks similar but make it differentWhy are devs such wussies these days?
>>724209815Sports and racing games would love the Nemesis system.
>>724209939>literally anything that involves open world and randomly generated enemies, dumbass.No need to be rude, fella. And I disagree. A game like No Man's Sky didn't need the Nemesis system and all of its content is Randomly Generated. It isn't like the game suffers because you don't have RDM of a character crashing into you because he heard of your exploits. That's literally all the Nemesis system is. You do something a certain way and the captain will randomly react to it or another captain will spawn in to react to it. No game needs that. >Look at nintendo patenting the act of capturing creatures and fighting with themLmao thats the entire gameplay loop of Shadow of WarIf anybody wanted to do a legally distinct Nemesis system they would have done it by now.
>>724209589>>724210168how the fuck can you make a patent for a video game mechanic? what? is that really why this system has never been done in any other game?thats gotta be the most jewish shit ive ever heard
>>724210078I mean Mount and Blade has aversion of the Nemesis system already.
>>724210617*A versionNot aversion.
I think Crusader Kings has one as well.
>>724210542>No need to be rude>dude let me cherry pick the most unsuited least intense open world game possible lolfuck off retarded nigger.go lurk moar, you reprehensible faggot.
>>724206371>>724207189whats the diff between shadow of mordor and shadow of war?
>be me. >talion the Undead>task myself with the capture or termination of a captain at least 5 levels above my own (80) >shield captain>he's surrounded by banner carriers and savages>immune to fire, arrows, and stealth>immediately kills me in one hit and no chance to counter>shoots up a level >go after him again>taken out from behind by a savage >captain shoots up another level>again>adapts to me jumping over him >now i'm fucked because jumping over shield-bearers is the only way to defeat them>becomes immune to execution>too fucking powerful to defeat>summon graug (giant monster) to stomp on him>he summons more banner carriers who promptly eat the gruag like termites on wood>flee and try to stealth attack>immune>Captain is now 15 levels above me. >unistallI wonder if I go back to the game if he'll still be there.
>>724210562>how the fuck can you make a patent for a video game mechanic?nintendo has become quite good at it.
>>724211290Shadow of War has a garbage itemization system designed with microtransactions in mind. In gameplay terms it improves on Shadow of Mordor in pretty much every way.
>>724211212Okay. I mean just because you don't like the game doesn't mean it doesn't have a different version of the Nemesis system. There are games out there that took the Nemesis system and did better by having to work around it. What about Detroit Become Human? The main menu of that game opens up and the character in the menu will react depending on the day, time, how long it's been since you played, whats happening in the story, etc. And no there really isn't any need to be rude. It isn't my fault you're browsing an online lemur farming forum, alone, on a Saturday night. Get over yourself.
>>724211496I think all the MtX have been removed. It was still gross to have it in the first place but I play SoW when they were there and never had to buy them.
>>724211496alright ill play both
>>724210562For decades mechanics have been patented and there's been this unspoken nebulous gentleman agreement that don't be a lazy 1:1 thief and everyone will just turn a blind eye for the most part. The idea being that the patents are held by more lenient, less retarded, people in order to protect the wider game industry ecosystem and stop everything stagnating rather than vultures who'll swoop in at the first sign of infringement. Feel I need to point out that this is different from IP protection since one is based on an identifiable brand being infringed (still kinda gay) meanwhile mechanic related is more about abstract ideas and rules being made exclusive and restricted.Unfortunately Nintendo might have opened up Pandora's box with the Palworld case because if they get a full win then the precedent is set for extremely aggressive and (((profitable))) mechanic patent protection suits to popup for the new wave of lizard people corporate lawyers to froth over.
>>724211578>dude let me make up some bullshit about how you don't like no mans sky so I can blabber about MORE bullshit>oh dude how about I cherry pick a linear NOT open world game with a branching storyline like detroit become humanoh, the problem is that you are GENUINELY fucking stupid.just say that next time, nigger.being a worthless subhuman that could be given a welder and see it as nothing but a funny hammer is fine, just do it somewhere else like facebook.
I avoided the Shadow of X games because I always saw them as Assassin's Creed reskins and I dislike that franchise, are they different enough to play?
>>724211992they're actually batman arkham reskins, but you can teleport and cast spells and shit
>>724211926>ad hom + no argument>but i'm the niggerYou're the one chimping out, friend.
>>724211992well for one there are no collection quests, tower landmarks for vision, and other ubislop that defined a lot of AC.its far more about intense action and fast paced decisions once you start going in.the nemesis system is unique.Once had an orc survive multiple killings and become almost invulnerable unless I tamed a big cat and brought it over to him.the strongest combo moves of melee, all ranged, and all stealth all did nothing, and only some environmentals or gradually wearing him down would work.problem was I had ANOTHER orc on the same region that went through similar evolutions.... but most of them were from killing me.He would hear me get into fights with bosses like the super-durable orc, and cheapshot you without warning or greeting.He evolved to become a nightmare that spammed multishot/spreadshot blasts of insta-kill arrows, and had a trait to deny the players "last second" mechanic to try and survive a lethal blow (once per fight)the second game read the files of the first game, found HE was the one that killed me the most, and brought him back in slightly altered form.Made him tankier but far less lethal since I could actually tank a hit.
>>724211992I daresay the newer AssCreeds like Odyssesy, Valhalla, and the like were jnspired by Shadow games
>>724212306>has no defense about trying to pick detroit become humanalready out of ideas, huh?go be retarded on facebook
>>724212379>>724211926Heh. You sure showed that guy.
>>724212361I think you are wrong and that they were far more inspired by the explosion of popularity Darksouls had.
>>724212581>>724211926>>724212379>samefagging
>>724212581>>724212762samefagging or did the top one just step in to troll the other troll?
>>724212328>no tower landmarks for visionUm...
>>724212832SHIT. I must have marked that as retarded and forgotten it....
>>724212814>>724212762>>724212581>>724212379quiet nigger. go be retarded on facebook where you belong faggot.
>724213134>schizo mad his bait aint being taken
@724213178>nigger still hasn't fucked off from the thread>has to resort to samefaggingdumbass faggot. stop pretending to be me. go play detroit become human or whatever faggot retard game your retarded ass drools over
>>724206371I tried to get into the sequel, but the black Gondorian who romances all the pale women just put me off too much. The way they plastered his black face over all the marketing was a sign of things to come for the franchise.
>>724213335>faggot gave up all pretenses of being anything but a moronlol
>>724213849>>724213335>>724213178>>724213134>nigger is still replying to nobody>this upset over a game from 10 years agostop yapping already nobody cares.
>>724213975>faggot mad
>>724203013It's just a game where you fight orcs and other monsters in a generic fantasy setting. Tolkien would be rolling in his grave.
>>724214006>faggot being a faggotgo back to facebook already
>>724214121>faggot unoriginal
>>724214121>>724214006>>724213975>>724213335>>724212814Can you stop? Fucking annoying spamming the thread. Go touch grass, dude.
>>724203013Actually you have to have a doctorate in tolkienology to come close to comprehending even the first act.
>>724214232>faggot is mad AGAIN>can't even contribute to the threadwhat a surprise
>>724214232>being this much of a schizo retarded niggers like you belong on facebook.
>>724207189>mtxits such a shame too, because they literally did it in the most unobtrusive and least scummy way possible. everything that you could buy could be acquired by just playing the game. just playing the game would get you currency and items to sell for currency, that you could spend on everything that you could buy with real money. engaging with that system at all only meant playing less game, which is inherently stupid. "im going to spend more money so i can play less of this game". i said it back then, and i still say it today: everyone that freaked out about it was an absolute retard, and monolith did nothing wrong with how they handled it.
@724214330@724214459faggot go away
>>724214504It was fine for the base campaign but the way the long-war post game, which they toned the fuck down later on, ramped up was almost textbook make it bullshit so people pay to speed it up.
>>724214521Try contributing to the thread instead of being a useless, assmad faggot schizo>>724206371I missed this bit of retardation.You are meant to play and enjoy the first, THEN play the second and run into the nightmare of your worst enemy from the first game returning.>>724214560real
>>724209589you say this shit every thread, and you're fucking stupid for saying it every time. the patent is extremely specific, and most of it boils down to "just dont use the word 'nemesis' when you do it". you can create like 90% of the functionality of the system and still not infringe on it. >but if its so easy to do, why doesnt anyone do it?because you dont even know what you're talking about. a significant portion of "the nemesis system" involves the army management part. enemies simply remembering the player actions/encounters and reacting to it IS done in other games. what people ARENT doing is creating a bunch of voiced characters and writing a ton of lines to fit a myriad of scenarios. why? because its a lot of fucking WORK, and it has to still FIT THE FUCKING GAME ITS IN. go ahead, think of a game that could be better "with the nemesis system in it" and describe it. chances are, thats not the nemesis system that you're thinking of.
>>724214816>retard still trying this useless argument againfuck off to facebook dumbass
>>724203013Disregard storyAquire Orcs
>>724211312as long as he isnt a cheat edited orc, there is definitely something that you can do. ice, poison, not being a retard with beasts, using the quick dash instead of rolling jump. nothing is truly immune.
>>724214560its really not that bullshit. you can win assaults/defenses with pretty shitty armies. the original COUNT of them was long, but that was under the idea of "give people a reason to keep playing once the campaign is over. you arent going to hit much repeat content during just the campaign". i guess some people just didnt like playing the game that much.
>>724214884>cant think of a game or describe how it would work in iti accept your concession.
>>724203013>don't know anything about lord of the rings besides the most common referencesYou are exactly who the devs had in mind when making this game. The nemesis system was cool though.
>>724215449nah, thats the schizo that keeps grabbing the posts of two people and crashing out over them being one guy.he is still mad so he defaulted to thinking you were me or the other guy who also laughed at him
>>724215921oh i can tell. my point still stands though.
>>724215961oh, ok then.I already tore him... (well I guess that was him all along, huh?) to bits on how the wording and application can be quite open and how Nintendo is being utter cunts about everything
>>724216047yeah people's idea of what the nemesis system is is very vague, but the patent is very lengthy and specific. every thread these games are brought up, some dipshit thinks the patent is "held hostage" and we're somehow missing out on something, when the truth is that nobody wants to put in that much work when doing less is far more profitable.
>>724203013It's the most important thing, fun.
>>724216283the problem is that its specificity covers a LOT of bases.you could pull of nothing more than a partial version of the system and it would be squarely within their patent.imagine patenting not only a hammer, but the way the hammer is swung to nail in things.what would be more productive would be to examine the citations of the patent.citations are from patents trying to show how they are different or improving on what the cited patent is fore.disney, tencent, nintendo, sony, ea, tencent, activision, all felt they had to cite this patent for far more limited things.And it seems to be revolving around the general procedure.Disney made some systems/methods for "facilitating the sharing of user-generated content of a virtual space" and felt they needed to cite the fucking nemesis patent.WHY?this reeks of bullshit waiting for legal vultures to start stomping and wrecking a complicated mess of gray areas
>>724216963legaleze is complicated, but a lot of that citing is a preventative measure to just say "look bitch, dont fucking start with me. its clearly different". because you CAN still try and start shit if the other party claim's ignorance. if they DONT address even the slightest possible connection, they are vulnerable to being brought to court where they have to prove under scrutiny that its different. simply filing a citation saying "we checked, its different, see?" prevents all of that, and keeps the money hungry suers at bay.
>>724217213seriously.look at this section.you can call this specific, but its broad as fuck.what happens when you fall squarely into this?a "partial design patent violation" occurs.and then they can fuck you for money or because they don't like you.courts CAN award shit like "apportionment" damages, based on the supposed value of the portion "copied"
>>724216368true. 89 hours in shadow of mordor, and 377 hours in shadow of war.
>>724217249>>724217213woops, wrong image. I was looking at some stuff with some alterations they made to the patent.site wasnt saving to clipboardTHIS one.
>>724217213anyways, ignoring my flub of images, this is all design patents.and design patents get to fuck you for having partial copies.which means more lawyer shit, more money, and a bigger threat on anyone's head in time and money spent if the patent holder decides to be pissy.
And I can go further with this.Do you know the easiest, simplest, and most financially profitable reason WHY Warner Bro's would sit on this patent for so long without doing anything with it?Because they don't have confidence in spending the money needed to make use of it on a full game production, and being able to bleed any game that partially violates their design patent is more likely to make them money.
>>724217249>>724217327lmao, i was looking at the first one going "wtf am i looking at? this looks like an email history, lol. what is he trying to show me?"i mean, something like this strikes me as applicable to "choices matter" visual novels. hell even dispatch where your choice can knock out a tooth of character. while this is a fragment of what the overall system does, fig 14 is not the entire system. even if it copies fig 14, that isnt the entire workings of how dispatch. overlap is generally allowed, because you have to argue and convince that its truly infringing or ripping off, without being its own thing. while hitting nails with hammers might be a part of a patent for a carpentry game, its not the whole thing, and its a pretty common/natural sort of interaction that can be easily argued as such. citations help prevent fuckery.
>>724217498>Because they don't have confidence in spending the money needed to make use of itwb has proven to be incredibly retarded time and time again. they have no idea what a good investment looks like, and they've been coasting by on old successes, residuals, and investments for a long time. >is more likely to make them money.yeah, see above. also my earlier point that making something that full uses the system means that you have to make a game where the system FITS, and then the WORK of actually designing all of the myriad nuances, interactions, and results to make it function and worth it.
>>724203013very mediocre game
>>724206371The orc design in the first game is better.
You're in for a fantastic game, but Shadows of War improves upon it in every way. I still go back and replay it every now and again. It's just fun to dominate orcs in different ways, like you can get creative with how you plan ambushes and then you have the stronghold raids which are always fun to participate in and watch as your orc army storms it. It's also fun to dominate war chiefs and then watch their guard betray them. The Nemesis System is just so much fun. It makes the world feel more alive and it reacts to how you play the game, and it remembers previous assassinations you tried to do, plus chiefs/war chiefs can sustain permanent scarring/afflictions depending on what you do to them. You can even make some go insane if you fail to dominate them enough times, like they'll just babble and become disfigured, or let's say you drop morg flies on a chief that doesn't like them, well he'll remember that and then comment on it next time he sees you if you fail to kill him. You can even be ambushed by other chiefs while attempting to kill another one, and some chiefs will even fight others for territory/power, and you can even have low rank and file orcs betray their chief to claim their title. It's just fun watching the battlefield evolve and seeing how things play out. I also like how the orcs can be from different clans which influence their stats/weapons/personalities/etc. It brings uniqueness to the game since it revolves primarily around killing and dominating orcs.
