The stamina wheel is the 2nd gayest thing to happen to zelda after making link crossdress
I don't see you whining on Sheik or Tingle
>>724209814the triforce hunt on windwaker is 3rd place
>>724210354That was fun. I liked it. I liked the Chocograph hunt in FFIX too. That's even crazier.
>>724209547I liked it. They used it well it SS, having it in BOTW was just padding on top of open world slop.
>>724209814Shiek isn't a crossdress, it's a complete disguise. No one knew it was Zelda until the reveal at the end. Completely different.
>>724211086>not crossdress, a disguiseholy fucking shitYou could say the same with Link then, disguising as a girl so he could sneak into Gerudo Town.If anything, Link did it only briefly to gain access to the town.Zelda used it to train as Sheik, heck she was Sheik for the longest time. For as long as Link disappeared, locked in time into the future. Perhaps even as long as when she escaped the castle and threw the Ocarina to Link. Sheik was her identity from then onwards, Princess Zelda was no more. Sheik is a fucking fighter. Better moveset, strength and agility then even (unawakened) Link. As a sage Sheik guided Link around in OoT. Look at her promo art, look at those muscles and pecs lol. Look at Sheik in Smash, that's no princess in disguise.
>>724209814>>724210354trifforce hunt was terrible, but doesn't ruin the game.The stamina wheel is absolute cancer however.>sheik???
>>724211815>Sheik is a fucking fighter.so is impa and she isn't crossdresing. Everybody knows ocarina zelda is tomboyish, don't be retarded.Zelda was 100% banging all the chicks at kakariko.
>>724211846They crossdressed Zelda first with Sheik. So if OP's trying to nitpick with BOTW... they did the 'gay' stuff 20 years earlier with probably the quintessential Zelda mainline title ever, with Ocarina of Time. And Tingle is a fucking Queer. Girahim is a flamboyant faggot. Plus Aonuma himself mentioned Zelda/Link are supposed to be androgynous. Hylian are elven like, and it's similar to Tolkien's elves where they're depicted as beautiful humanoid creatures.OP said the Triforce hunt was 3rd worst. I'm just saying I liked it. I liked the FFIX Chocograph hunt too, it was much harder. The painting hunt in Elden Ring was cool too. I like stuff like these.
>>724212315that wasnt crossdressing you retard
>>724212084Except Impa doesn't conceal her identity. Everyone knows she's a Sheikah. Also she has fucking tits.Zelda definitely crossdressed as a man, she had no tits as Sheikh. This was her disguise. To cover her Hylian ears and perhaps the blond hair too. She could wrap her tits with linen around the torso to make the bulge less pronounced. But her muscles are all real and genuine. It's a deliberate gender-bending move to throw off any suspicions or possibilities of being the fucking princess Ganon is scouring the Earth hunting for. Zelda was Sheikh for fucking 7 years. From 9 to 16. Past the reformative years of budding and puberty. She's probably a fucking dyke then. They were never meant to be together.
>>724212631Yeah, that's definitely a dude. Deliberate gender-bending crossdressing move. Look, if all she needed to do was pretending to be a Sheikah, she could just cut her hair shorter, dye it white, wear Impa's outfit with the tits armor and naybe wear an earmuff or scarf whatever to hide her hair. Cowl maybe to hide just the face. She could retain her feminine body shape and curves. The deliberate gender-bending crossdressing move fucking worked, doesn't it?. Both as writer/designer perspective and in-game lore. It sure fooled Link, every other in-game person, and you and I, the audience back when we played it.
>>724213284Wrong.Sheik specifically lets out a girl's voice when SHE got dragged by Bongo Bongo
she doesnt have a man chest in the gameyou're forcing it too hard faggot
>>724209547>>724211846>The stamina wheel is absolute cancer however.I've only heard this opinion from one other person, and he was a retard. Assuming either of you two aren't, what about the stamina wheel even deserves special mention?
The stamina wheel is gay because I can outrun nu-gay link and I'm not even in great shape.It's fucking moronic.
>>724209547I genuinely don't understand the Stamina wheel.At worst it makes BoTW/ToTK slightly easier in a game that lets you pause and heal at any moment and easily stock up heals as well as stamina recovery.On the other end using cheats/mods to disable it in both Skyward and BoTW/ToTK makes them so much better it's not funny. Exploring mountains and swimming without stamina is much nicer.
>>724209547Number 1 is making Link a rightoid
>>724214780Right, I don't understand fighting games neither. Why have specific frames for attacking, blocking, dodging, iframes etc? Why not remove it completely? I just want to be able to attack infinitely forever.
>>724209547>Skyward Sword's cute stamina wheel that looks like a limevs >BoTW/ToTK's faggy donut surrounded by thin ringsWhy ruin it like this?
>>724211086>Zelda didn't crossdress as Sheik, she only crossdressed to disguise herself as a man she called Sheik so it doesn't count
>>724214780I kind of get it in BotW/ToTK, it (mostly) put a limit on your ability to climb or swim so you'd need to find ways around stuff.But man I hate it for limiting your ability to just run. There is a reason people, even casuals, learned to use whistle-sprint in BoTW.
>>724213402>Sheik lets out a girl's voice when SHE (*Zelda) got draggedWhat do you think crossdressing is?
>>724213837It insists on itself.Even in SS it just randomly mandates that there are stamina plants everywhere.It turns an idle action to pass the time (spamming A to roll and placebo yourself into thinking you are moving faster) into an active menial task of needing to follow an intensely understimulating breadcrumb trail.One of the core tenets of game design is helping the player to "find the fun" by giving them some neat inputs on the face buttons, which is essentially eliminated if you need to always hold A to run and can't deviate from the breadcrumb trail lest your get exhausted.That's the problem with the game design of SS, everything is a small puzzle or menial gameplay element with a prescribed solution.
>>724214949Funny you say that because I was thinking about how overtly homosexual the SS one was.
>>724215081>>724214780What is this complaint? OoT, MM, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess didn't even let you run at all (in MM you have Bunny Hood I suppose) - Skyward Sword is the first one to actually give you a sprint like that. It's not a perfect system but at least you CAN sprint. In my childhood Zelda games I had to walk my ass everywhere or use the horse.
>>724215406Well you can side hop infinitely lol
>>724215597>you can use an unintended exploit yeah and you can whistle sprint in botw
>>724214998Well there's apparently a neu-neu movement that didn't grew up with Ocarina, and grew up with BOTW, Smash and Hyrule Warriors so they were already spoiled on Sheik being Zelda. So to these Skibidi gens Sheik was always a female persona. Even Nintendo has confirmed Sheik's biological gender, which made these perception worse.No fucking shit. Sheik IS Zelda. Zelda IS biologically female.But Sheik is just a disguise, an alter-ego, a faux identity. That persona is male. It's part of the lore, a coverup. It's in-game, cited by other characters like Ruto. It's on official art. It's even in the manuals. Even on the (non-canon) manga. Sheik was perceived as male in-game. Yes, it is fucking Zelda. Yes Zelda is a female. But Sheik itself is a male persona. Zelda crossdresses as a male to become Sheik. Or even on the extreme side, using her Wisdom Triforce to transform her apperance as an illusion to become unladylike. Sheikh means Elder in Arabic. Thus Sheikah as an ancient Elder Tribe. Parallel to the Gerudo which is also a Middle-Eastern / Arabic influence tribe. Sheikh is also used by the royalties, like King, and Prince. Sheik = Prince.
>>724215287So...your entire problem with it...is that it forces you to actually pay attention and respect what you are doing within the game?
>>724216503>Zelda crossdresses as a male to become SheikGlad we agreed then.
>>724215081>I kind of get it in BotW/ToTK, it (mostly) put a limit on your ability to climb or swim so you'd need to find ways around stuff.It was terrible in BotW/TotK. I would have preferred instant drowning over the game pretending that the awful swimming was a viable option. The only reason to even use the climbing is because the UI is so bad that alternatives like creating balloon platforms don't feel good to make.>>724216653>Pay attention to what you are doing at all times, even when you are just idly going from place to place, there is no downtime in this overtime hell>Do not experiment, do not deviate from the path, do not try to have funYes. It is bad.
>>724216754I'm not the other dumb anon/s. I'm the guy who's been posting Sheik=male persona the whole time. Post #2 guy.The other anon/s are the not crossdressing=Sheik is woman persona retards.
Skyward Sword introduced stamina for no reason. It’s annoying in BOTW/TOTK but it feels more at home there than in Skyward Sword where you could remove it entirely.
>>724216897>>Pay attention to what you are doing at all times, even when you are just idly going from place to place, there is no downtime in this overtime hell>>Do not experiment, do not deviate from the path, do not try to have funAre you under some misunderstanding that a game is a toy, not a challenge to the player? Why are you using a ton of metaphors for a job? Why is experimentation or deviation from a path "fun" for a game? Do you just believe that limitations should not be set on players?
>>724210354>hating on OG wind wakerFiltered. Hard. The GC version is a rare 10/10 game.
>>724217027Agreed in that it makes sense as a limiter on players in the open world games. Steady upgrades, less limits, etc. I don't like it, but it works.
>>724217034>Are you under some misunderstanding that a game is a toy, not a challenge to the player?While a game may contain challenge to the player, it is always still a game, which means that it is fundamentally still a pedagogical tool that uses play to teach the player.>Why are you using a ton of metaphors for a job?Because that's what Skyward Sword devolves into by making everything into a menial puzzle.>Why is experimentation or deviation from a path "fun" for a game?Because it allows the player to break off from a monotonous action or experiment with inputs at their own pace, which is why in previous games the A button also interacted with objects in addition to dashing or rolling (and even the rolling could let you interact with the world if bonking into a wall did something). The running in Skyward Sword will always need you to be holding A, it doesn't do anything and you can't perform any other actions while doing it.>Do you just believe that limitations should not be set on players?If it's a limitation that creates fun gameplay sure, but the stamina gauges in Fujibayashi Zeldas aren't really limitations set on the player to create fun gameplay, they insist on themselves and try to find any form of interaction to justify their existence, even if it's entirely separate from normal gameplay.
>>724209547SS dash and wall run mechanics were actually fun.the stamina was easily manageable but probably could have been removed or just disabled dashing if stamina ran out instead of the stupid exhausted state.It didn't get truly shit until BOTW.
>>724211086This is what I say when I put on dresses and call myself Lucy btw
>>724213837>hurrr you remind me of my boyfriendholy shit what a retard.Is the stamina shit improving the experience? were previous games worse because they didn't had a stamina wheel?it makes the experience tedious, not more challenguing, i would argue it even breaks the inmersion because of how unrealistic the damn thing is. A guy that's supposed to be in top physical condition and save the word get's tired after not even 5 minutes climbing, fuck off.
Autist here, I hate seeing it on my screen and as the anon above me said, it breaks immersion.
>>724216503>Sheikh means Elder in Arabic. Thus Sheikah as an ancient Elder TribeIt's doubtful that this is the etymology. The game internally romanises シーカー as Seeker.
It gives you busy work to do while walking across a vast barren map as you time when to stop holding sprint. Tricking your brain into thinking you aren't just waiting around in downtime
>>724219197How would you implement the stamina system to make it immersive?
>>724218840There's more to climbing than just stamina limiting you retard. There's lactic acid build up and muscle fatigue. You can sustain running longer, sprinting in bursts, but you definitely cannot sustain prolonged climbing, especially with nowhere to rest. You could stop running anytime you like, but it's not the same in climbing. It's just a game. The stamina mechanics is just there to anchor the game, make it grounded for some fraction of realism, just enough for it to have some substance instead of just style without substance.Hell why don't they get rid of healing with food and pots? Make it like fucking Callofdoodie or some shit you just take cover for a sec and HP heals back up.
>>724219301Nah, this is Loss of Me / Rose of May all over again.
>>724219301And if you look at the context it's definitely a Mid-Eastern thing. Ocarina of Time is Gnostic. Whether it's Kabbalistic, Gnostic or Sufi, they're all the same, they're the precursors to Abrahamic religions, which started in the Middle East. Each one has their own version of the Triforce, like the Trinity. All the sages and spiritual stones and their medallions, look at the placement. Star of David. Sacred Geometry. The Temple of Time is the Third Temple, this is where the final battle stands, like the Bibical scriptures. All the promised Messiahs has been awakened, ready to fight it all out.Look at the parallel of Gerudo in the real world. Women has no say in anything in Mid-Eastern nations. Men rules over everything. Gerudos are all female, and once in a lifetime a single male Gerudo is born, and they worship him. This is Ganon.Sheik/Zelda is parallel and counterpart to Ganon. Sheik, another 'Prince' from the same, albeit forked ancient Elder Tribe. Except this one's a female, a Princess. Fucking Princess Zelda. Finally, a female ruler.It's no coincidence that even the Japs (who are Western-learned) used the Arabic nations to describe this malevolent movement, force. They did the same with Chrono Trigger. Gerudo's original symbol was that of the Ottoman/Islamic Star and Crescent symbol. In the Fire Temple they originally used prayers and verses from the Quran for the soundtrack lol.Ganon/Gerudo = Islam. (Power, the Black Banner is said to rule the end times)Zelda/Hylian= Judaism. (Wisdom lol)Link/Awakened Hylian (reborn/return as Adult after 7 years) = Christianity. (Courage)
