These aren't Legend of Zelda games. They're open-world survival crafting spinoffs, kind of like how Hyrule Warriors is a hack 'n' slash spinoff. Do you think Nintendo will ever go back to making proper Legend of Zelda games, or that it will just be trend chasing with Zelda aesthetics from now on? It's weird thinking that Skyward Sword might be the last big genuine console Legend of Zelda game. If Echos of Wisdom is any indication, A Link Between Worlds might be the last handheld Zelda game too.
>>724211029You made the same thread again so i'm going to say the same thing again. Goytendo is making breath of the metroid, open world bullshit is her to stay forever.
No one cares.
>>724211029Keep telling yourself that. You didn't buy Skyward Sword in 2011. You aren't a Zelda fan.
>>724211386>Second game has a big drop offThird game is going to be a flop if they try it.Regardless, sales don't turn something into a Zelda game. It doesn't matter if every person on Earth bought Zelda Rust and Zelda: Nuts & Bolts two times, they still wouldn't be Zelda games.
>>724212408>Zelda Rust and Zelda: Nuts & BoltsSo you haven't played either of them? You're not a Zelda fan.
>>724211519>The worst Zelda game had poor sales, this means you don't like Zelda anymore.
>>724212481>Skyward Sword>poor salesretard
>>724212480I played a very small amount of Breath of the Wild on a friend's console and it convinced me not to buy it. I like Legend of Zelda, not Zelda-brand survival-crafting slop.
>>724211029they will continue releasing nu-zelda open world jubislop
>>724212538Poor sales in comparison to big Zelda titles like Ocarina of Time and Link's Awakening.
>>724212569So you have no idea what you are talking about, and want to dictate what a Zelda game is when you have actively avoided playing them. Including the last one to have the formula you claim to love.
>>724212578If you can't make the distinction between good open world games and ubisoft open world games? You might be brown!
>>724211029Cry more faggot
>>724212647You have not made a single argument for why Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom AREN'T survival-crafting slop except to vaguely allude to the idea that there was some genuine Zelda quality to them that I would have found if I had just bought and played both of them to completion, which obviously there isn't because if there was you would have brought it up.It is survival slop with challenge rooms instead of dungeons.The centerpiece of Zelda games are the DUNGEONS. These don't exist in Slop of the Wild of Slop of the Kingdom.
I'm split.I much prefer the trad Zelda style but if we are being completely honest, the only consistently good trad Zeldas were the 64 ones. I waould much prefer the linear format over the sandbox games but BotW/TotK were the best (mainline console) games since the 64. If they do another traditional zelda, it'd probably suck.I think they will, it'd be an obvious mistake for them to make BotW3 despite the sales. We're probably getting Movie:The Game
>>724212920You are incapable of making an argument because you haven't played the games. Everything you say is based on other people's experience that you've sucked up into your cancer filled anus. Arguing with you would be a colossal waste of time. Enjoy your dying thread brownoid
>>724213338>you haven't played the gamesI played enough of one to know it was survival slop with no dungeons.I haven't seen you make any argument that it ISN'T survival slop because you know that it is. I haven't seen you point out the existence of any dungeons in these games, because you know they aren't there.Faggot.
>Skyward Sword is as linear as it gets, the whole game is a straight line >BotW is as non-linear as it gets, anything can be done in any order so there is no continuity or progression curveWhy can't there be something in between?
>>724211029>Do you think Nintendo will ever go back to making proper Legend of Zelda games, or that it will just be trend chasing with Zelda aesthetics from now on? Open world exists for managers who can't manage their expectations or keep development on track, and open world usually gets killed before it gets out of hand, but Nintendo's strategy of promoting someone to a position where they can do no harm, rather than firing them (Japanese work culture, prease understand), means that the people who get into the positions to kill these projects are the same idiots who think these projects are a good idea.They're not making proper Zelda games again unless they oust Aonuma and replace him with someone willing to tolerate competition and actually help his subordinates to become better.I don't think they will release another open world game, since this one notably went more over budget than usual and they would actually need to start from scratch next time.>It's weird thinking that Skyward Sword might be the last big genuine console Legend of Zelda gameEven Skyward Sword has about as much in common with BotW/TotK as it does with prior Zelda games.>>724214194>Why can't there be something in-between?Because those two are the same game, just replace the level select screen of SS with MOAR empty space.
>>724214194The problem is never linearity, it's quality. If I remember right, Skyward Sword would have been fine if it weren't so hand-holdy, being forced to slog it through hours of SLOW dialogue padding and having everything explained was what killed the game. They were doing this with every 3d Zelda but imo, only the N64 ones got it right by giving you large stretches of space to explore and figure things out on your own. Ironically, this is what critics now decry as being the biggest flaw of those games,They just need to do a traditional zelda game with 10 big dungeons but a huge map to traverse inbetween and minimal instruction
>four swords adventures that lowthe game was genuinely fun, the GBA link cable shit doomed it.I enjoyed BoTW with how new it was, Zelda nuts and bolts I couldn't get into. If they found a mix between open world while still having real dungeons like OoT/WW/MM that would be the best.
>>724211519Yeah because my wii was already jailbroken by 2011 so skyward sword was free.Botw was the last Zelda game I bought, it was fun but I only played it for about 10 hours as it was a very short game as most content was optional, which I liked because it meant I didn't have to do bullshit that I didn't enjoy.I launched totk but it was so boring and dry I dropped it in 2 hours time when they were forcing me to build shit with their forced mechanic.If this is the new direction of Zelda I'm done with the franchise.I want a ocarina of time / windwaker experience again. Fuck majors mask and fuck twilight Princess.
>>724212920NTA and I haven't even beaten BOTW yet but honestly, I think its a fucking fantastic game. I've been having a blast. The only problems I have with it is I would have preferred to have the original weapons as they used to be. So just one bow, one sword, one shield, all of them lasting forever without the breakage thing being a thing. You can get enhanced versions of these as you adventure. The shieka slate is pretty badass of a tool though. The only other issue I have? I kind of get overwhelmed playing open world games. So I've been playing the game at a snails pace. Its not that I dislike the genre. I just usually prefer something a lot more contained or focused in my gaming. But BOTW is a masterpiece of a game imo so far. Also I have not played a 3D Zelda since the days of the N64. So I am as far from a shill as you can get while still being as fair and honest as possible. Nintendo fans deserve to gloat about this game its phenomenal.
>>724215139>The problem is never linearityI disagree, the game is completely linear from start to finish, you go through the levels one by one and when you've completed them there are no reasons to go back to any of them. Previous Zeldas let you do dungeons and some story events out of order which helps alleviate the feeling of being in an on-rails themepark ride.
So, Zelda and Sonia know Ganondorf is an evil goober, but they agree to meet him in a secluded area of the castle at night?Am I supposed to feel something when she gets her buck broken? Seems like she was asking for it.
>>724215753>I've been having a blastMe too sister
They made metroid, pokemon, and MARIO KARTinto open world games. Its so over. I cant believe Mario Kart isnt being laughed at mor often.
I AM ERROR
>>724215787There are some segments of SS that can be completed in more arbitrary orders I think, in particular one of the later "collect 3" segments lets you visit the volcana, desert or forest in any order.The issue is far more with its inability to actually vary any of its content, the entire underworld feels virtually the same, every arbitrary "collect 3" segment does not introduce a significant change and the sky feels completely irrelevant. Even on a micro level the game doesn't vary, because everything is a menial puzzle.
>>724216272I actually am a femanon though
I have beaten both games, it really is survivalsloptotk tried to do dungeons but missed the mark hard, they feel like an introduction puzzle to the dungeon like finding the map to the sandship or somethingIf they do it again im simply not buying it
>>724211386why does every Zelda game get so boring around mid-game
>>724212408You're not the authority on what constitute a zelda game so your headcanon is irrelevant
>>724215139Even if you removed Fi's annoyances as a whole and all the heavy handholding you still have garbage areas like Eldin Volcano, the entire flooded forest section, and the extremely slow and boring Lanayru Mine. There was also the fact you had to fight The Imprisoned three times, and then another nine if you want the Hylian Shield. Also the entire Tadtones stuff in general just to justify running through awful maps again.The dungeons are the only good thing about SS, and everything in between the dungeons was terrible, especially the sky. Skyloft is the only good part of the sky.
>>724211029They both mog every other entry in the series, don't give a fuck about your feelings and your nostalgia
>>724219260Zelda isn't survival slop with no dungeons, you don't need to be an "authority" to know that.
>>724219384If you liked those games that much, boy do I have a company to introduce you to. You're gonna love 'em.
>>724215007>they would actually need to start from scratch next time.No they don't. The next "Zelda" game will be BotW3 and it will be set in the same exact Hyrule again. The excuse this time will be that the towns and all villages will be populated instead of barren this time and there will also be time travel.You and every other zoomer cattle will buy it and the series will continue rotting in that way for all the original fans while selling gorillions amongst the braindead. It will continue this way for at least another 13 years when the industry finally collapses.
>>724218381London?
>>724212408>Third game is going to be a flop if they try it.That's what you said about the Shitch 2. Nintendo products aren't sold to appeal to anybody. It's a cult product and the cult numbers in the dozens of millions. You will get a third game no matter what. BotW is the dominant series now. Link will never be left handed again nor wear green clothing nor will the story ever be told linearly again nor will the graphics ever be anything but poorly cel shaded low asset slop. You've seen what happened to Pokemon in the past decade? Zelda has already reached that stage and it's never going back. The only alternative you're getting is those shitty fisher price top down games if you're looking for something "unique" from the brilliant minds at Nintendo.
>>724211029the open world zelda games share a ton of characteristics with previous games in the series, I know this is entirely pointless to say because this isn't a honest thread trying to have a genuine conversation about games but the usual braindead shitposting /v/ has been cursed with but botw and totk absolutely are mainline zelda games>action/adventure medieval fantasy games>featuring link, zelda and ganon>with other recurring characters like impa or terry>taking place in hyrule, with the classic races introduced in OoT >gameplay is a mix of combat, exploration/traversal, puzzle solving and side activities like the various minigames or the compendium>core gameplay uses the same fundamental mechanics as OoT: z targeting, backflips and sideflips with no iframes as defensive maneuvers, jump and spin attacks, with some moves absent but new ones added from the rest of the series (downthrust, master sword beams)>iconic items that are commonly used in gameplay are still present: bombs, bow and arrows, boomerangs>the core structure is still a mix of overworld, villages and dungeons >link's character progression isn't determined by numerical levels like in an rpg but by the acquisition of a variety of items like spirit orbs (equivalent of heart pieces or magic upgrades from past games) or champions powers, virtually identical to items in their usenow I know the faggot OP is going to autistically focus on a handful of points ("DUNGEONS??? lmao it don't no have dunjons looool u call shitty shrines dongons" etc) to attempt to discredit the entire thing but it's obvious to anyone not retarded, autistic, butturt, brown or everything at the same time botw and totk are zelda games through and throughand with that, dilate OP
>>724221735>botw and totk absolutely are mainline zelda gamesCutoff point for your entire post. Better luck next time (not really).
>>724221804sorry for you being brazilian, better luck in a next life
nobody would care about zelda anymore without botw. show some respect.totk was disappointing though
>>724219378By SS, they were kind of phoning it in. Cool ideas and bad ideas slapped together in mess of a game, this was also the case with Twilight Princess. It's hard to put into words but it just felt like the devs didn't care too much about these projects, they were not well thought out and crafted with pride and purpose like OoT was.It took changing the entire format to get the devs excited again.Hopefully taking a large break from proper 3d Zeldas will rekindle some of that spark and we get a game that isn't made out of spite nor obligation.
>>724211029I liked BotW but it came out 8 years ago in a half finished state and Nintendo has been unable to iterate on it. Old Zelda, nuZelda, can we get fucking anything please?
>>724221841Epic strawman
>>724221965>Twilight Princess.>it just felt like the devs didn't care too much about these projectslol
>>724222221epic apezillian
>>724222279TP was made out of spite, the franchise was in turmoil due to fans being outraged with Wind Waker's direction. Nintendo put together an army of devs and forced them to churn out a grimdark Zelda for the 00s teen market. It was okay, but for me it was a one and done, mostly forgettable experience.As an earlier anon stated, I think people forget how badly bruised the Zelda franchise was before BotW
>>724214194Because they saw Skyward Sword get mogged by Skyrim in sales and everything else and they wanted that bag
>>724223026>things that never happend
>>724223026Sorry I forgot to humor your little delusion. I was actually there in the early 2000s so I assumed I was discussing with a fellow adult and not someone born in 2009.
>>724211029>open-world survival crafting spinoffslol
>>724223160>I was actually there in the early 2000sin diapers, the only superfans of TP are people who experienced that as their first Zelda and fetish artists.If you were actually sentient in the 00s, you would recall that there was a lot of outrage over WW, TP was damage control
>>724223421>If you were actually sentient in the 00s, you would recall that there was a lot of outrage over WW, TP was damage controlI watched Spaceworld in 2000, shit all over TWW in 2001 and was fully vindicated in May of 2004 (at almost 20 years old), I was even an IGN insider which I paid for with a grocery store job and I watched the event live while drinking a vanilla coke and running a game of CS Condition Zero, blaring Linkin Park's One Step Closer in the background and watching subbed Dragon Ball GT episodes from Kazaa. A year prior to that there was a massive blackout that lasted almost a week where we had to boil piss yellow water in order to drink anything. Picrel was my IGN boards icon from 2004 that I've had saved ever since then and is actual lost media since they got rid of all those avatars after a ProBoards restructuring several years later.I lived the 2000s and you're the one sitting here in diapers yet somehow balding at 21, pretending to be from my generation and it's absolutely pathetic. I still look not a day over 30 and get bitches to this day btw.
>>724224106grok or gpt?
>>724224184Pathetic retard.
>>724215357If you don't spend money on a property you genuinely love and try to get it for free the moment you have access to it, then you are even less of a fan.>Playing it for 10 hours and thinking you've beat it or that the majority of the game is optionalJust because it's not required to get to the credits doesn't make it fully optional.>I want a ocarina of time / windwaker experience again. Fuck majors mask and fuck twilight Princess.Twilight Princess is literally the result of guys like you demanding another OOT.
This thread was made by Eric. He's a snoy and massive OoT fanboy that's been spamming /v/ with anti-Switch pedaling for a good decade, he's a weekly villain in Famitsu threads and he reports them over and over for calling him out or for spreading facts he thinks needs to be hidden from /v/ (namely sales of Nintendo hardware and software compared to PlayStation and Steam Deck).If you see posts saying GameCube games are better than Switch games, it's Eric. If you see posts saying Sonic CrossWorlds is better than MK World, it's Eric. If you see the same anti-Nintendo threads popping up over and over, it's Eric. If you see the same posts shilling piracy and emulators, it's Eric. If you see someone denying the existence of Eric and calling him a made-up boogeyman, it's Eric. If you see someone unironically using terms like "tendies" or "Switchfags" and making hyperbolic statements, it's Eric. If you see a red OP image with a Nintendo-related thing, asking some dumb open question, it's Eric. If you see the same repeated lines over and over again, it's Eric samefagging. If you see a massive wall of replies to one post, it's Eric samefagging himself, they'll all be a minute apart. He's always resetting his router and ban evading, and flooding the catalog, and he's got at least a few gigabytes of CP to end any thread that isn't going his way.He's also a massive GameCube fanboy that was so buckbroken by BotW's commercial and critical success that he's determined to make it the most despised game in history, he wants to change the narrative and erase the perceived damage against him.
>>724226593>if anyone says anything negative about nu-nintendo it's Ericholy schizo
>>724211029Zelda in its purest form.Maybe one day the rest of the industry will catch up to Nintendo.
>>724211029>Do you think Nintendo will ever go back to making proper Legend of Zelda gamesNintendo can't even make a game where Link doesn't crossdress without pissing off their modern fans.It's open world slop, bad animations and voice acting from here on out.
>>724228320Zelda was always open world zoomer child
>>724211029I've cried about this ever since they released a mediocre action RPG on the N64 instead of a proper Zelda game. Hate to break this to ya 30 years later , but nobody cares. Y'all dug your own grave once you encouraged Zelda to trail off the path.
v: 'I want serious Zelda!'also v: 'lololo Squidward sword lololol'
I didn't care for them and I somewhat agree, but it doesn't matter because the autistic fanbase showed Nintendo that they LOVED open-world crafting slop. BotW and ToTK were the biggest overhyped meme games on the Switch console to date. You got autistics that have played it dozens of times with hundreds of hours in. I fell asleep in my bed playing BotW and didn't even bother with ToTK. They're boring to play. I think even a fucking Mario game would have been more exciting.
>>724228440Some open zones ≠ open world
BOTW is almost ten years old how are you retards still making these threads and circular arguments years later, old Zelda died for a reason
>>724228892It's because not only is BotW considered the greatest game ever made, it was also the launch title for the Switch.The psychological damage this game inflicted on this board is immeasurable. They'll never recover.
>>724228892OoT snoys believe they can control the narrative and turn people on BoTW. In reality, it just makes people hate them.The success of the BoTW and the Switch completely mindbroke them beyond repair because they know it replaced OoT's legacy. They'll never stop seething at this.
>>724229585>OoT snoyswat?
>>724229793BoTW's success mindbroke snoys so hard 8 years ago that they flocked to nostalgia-fagging OoT and contrarian OoTfags became snoys.Case in point: this very thread
>>724229835console wars gave you brainrot, touch grass
>>724211029I love both of them, but is time to move on to a different hyrule
>>724229895BoTW's constant success gave you brainrot, Eric.
>>724230101It's kinda shocking that they haven't made a new game yet.
>>724211029They done bro. They're never goin back
>>724230110Eric won. You lost and got raped.
What if Zelda was a girls
>>724230438Botw was so successful to not make a sequel in the same era, and people where claiming for that, so it was just 2+2, but because of how long it takes to make new games these days and the time that Nintendo takes to polish their shit it was a double edge weapon because we were stuck in the same map for almost 10 years, and it will happen again with the new Zelda if it is as successful again
>>724230885>OK for Rockstar to take 15 years between sequels but Nintendo need to shit out genre-defining masterpieces every 6 months. Can you fucking hear yourself?
>>724231290if you stop making up things nobody said you'll be angry less of the time.Anyway, 8 years is a reasonable time for one new game.
>>724231290Hey im not complaining, i love those games, im talking about the general audience, those retards need to see new shit to keep their attention
>>724231521general audiences are still paying $70 for botw
>>724211029NSMB, NSMB3d, Crash Bandicoot, any random PS1 3d game, GoW, Minish Cap, FFX, FFXIIIII. Those are true linear games. You ubifags have some weird tunnel vision where you never played a linear game before and don't realize Zelda was always very open with a big overworld and mechanics you use in it. You got in your head that AC is the only game that exists and therefore it is unnatural to make another. Zelda was always *the* open series, Z1, OoT, alttp. You never realized. I don't know if your mind is consumed by Ubisoft rent-free or what.In fact, botw lets you ride epona (same as oot), keeps puzzles (just in the form of shrines). It's still a puzzle series, ok? Not to mention weird games like Z2 exist. If Z2 isn't a spinoff, botw is even less as it shares characteristics with previous games.
>>724231939>In fact, botw lets you ride epona (same as oot), keeps puzzles (just in the form of shrines). It's still a puzzle series, ok?100% this. Most retarded fucking morons on /v/ don't realize that BotW/TotK have ALL the hallmarks of the Zelda series, simply contextualized.They don't understand the gameplay of the video games they're playing.
