How did toby get away with, of all things, putting a RAPE SCENE in his game which couldnt be rated higher then T for Teen, his Fanbase is unironically a bastion of Tumblr SJW's. HOW did he not get called out? HOW DOES HE STILL HAVE A CAREER??
>>724215158Because Tumblr just interprets it as men bad, straight people bad
>>724215158how is it rape if she liked it?
>>724215487Kris obviously didnt like it>>724215467hummm hunny isnt tht a bit Enbyphobic?
>>724215158Because Kris is the one who was raped here
>>724215890>Kris obviously didnt like itKris is mine to use as I please, I'm the player and _he's the character
>>724215158>Fanbase is unironically a bastion of Tumblr SJW's. HOW did he not get called out?you're just noticing now that highly offensive and triggering material or content doesn't matter at all if its what we like?Don't even research what smut women actually like.
>>724215158Rape is peak romance
I couldn't even find any discussion of it
>>724215158You can't prove it was rape unless you post her getting pregnant
>>724220035
1) Chapter 3 and 4 had a lot of shocking moments that stole the spotlight in the immediate post-release. The weird route is tucked away and most people don't play it immediately.2) When it was noticed, Toby quickly saw the controversy that was building and changed the scene to undercut how his fanbase saw it.3) Because of this change he has plausible deniability even though the tone and themes of the scene are completely unchanged. It's not explicit but instead illustrative to a masterful extent.4) It is part of an optional route and done by the player. Therefore discussion about the scene was rerouted into how the player is bad for doing this.5) It is written in a way precisely that women love. Besides the fetish aspects, they are empathizing with Kris and Noelle rather than looking for anything problematic.
>>724221461I don't play any of these faggot games, but I wanna know what happened in the original scenebecause I like rape, rape is natural, rape is healthy, all women love being raped and I love to love women. Did you know that in several psychological studies, raped women revealed that they found their rapists attractive? When we rape, we merely play patsy for women's pathetic fantasies
>>724215158Man is deltarune really that interesting? I might need to check it out.
>>724221585https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw-Kpv9SLWU
>>724215158It's technically not-rape(prickling the finger with a single thorn) that just so happens to very look like rape.
>>724215158He only raped her METAPHORICALLY and SYMBOLICALLY which doesn't count
All feminists ever cared about was power.And if it's not steered at cratering their power, they don't make a big fuss over it, even if it directly contradicts something they said before.That's it.
>>724215158It's the most common female fetish so of course they love it, even if it sinks the forced dyke ship
>>724221698human'd
>>724215158Because it's designed to portray straight white men as bad.See, Toby and his fanbase realized that there were a few relatively sane snippits of the Undertale fandom who made Kris a normal dude instead of being an it like Toby wanted and shipped him with Noelle in what is a pretty great vanilla ship. Toby, being a yurifag who hates straight relationships (see Toriel/Asgore) got pissy that people didn't understand the original snowgrave or whatever and made a "metaphorical" rape scene purely to make it as abundantly clear as possible that trying to force a straight relationship between Kris and Noelle is "evil n' heccin patriarchal CHUDDIES"Note that the SOUL is the player, not Kris. Kris doesn't want it but the player does, and it's portrayed as the player forcing Kris to rape Noelle purely to feed his fantasies. It's Toby doing the switcheroo and portraying normalcy between men and women as a fetish which shows how manipulative the game isAnd of course Tumblrfaggots all applauded because they are all completely in favor of demonizing straight normalcy. Remember these are mentally ill faggots who hate their lives so projection is the only way they can live with themselves. By projecting the fact that faggotry and troonism are sick fetishes and acting like it's the other way around, they can temporarily forget about their serious delusions and act like everything's fine
I want to experience being raped by a hot guy at least once
>>724215158Because it wasn't a rape scene. It only used symbolism analogous to rape symbolism to convey Kris forcing Noelle under his control. You may say even that is pushing it, but I don't think so.
>>724224680you sound like a chud version of this feminist video essayist i watched once it was to make fun of her i promise
>>724224680>straightkris is clearly bisexual>whitekris is clearly yellow>menkris is clearly a they
How have none of you realized by now that women are far more degenerate than men? You should look at some of them "romance" books.
>>724225578you're factually wrong on all three
>>724225578You just proved my point lmaoPeople who dared to have Kris not be some retarded faggot like you retards worship were the ones targeted by the rape sceneBasically Toby crying like a bitch because people don't agree with his insane delusions kekAlso ywnbaw
>>724225639i erp'd with a Krissele shipper not to long ago and it was the best e sex I had in a long time i swear they're like angels
>>724225748ok schizo
スニード の シード アンド フィード 以前は チャクス
>>724215158after undertale, the annoying dog can do no wrong in my book
>>724225775and a ching chong nip nong to you too young man
>bases one of the main characters/love interests of his game on one of his friends and his special interestso deltarune really is toby's fever dream? I mean the timeline tracks
>>724225748Other way around. The scene is beloved by this community because Kris as a white male incel makes his whole experience believable and relatable.>>724225769That is not real sex still kind of hot though
>>724225772Also it's funny that you act like this isn't common when it's something Toby has REPEATEDLY done with numerous thingsLike when he got mad that the fanbase acted like Sans was some heroic time-travelling fighter instead of a slacker who can sorta predict shit so he added him onto Deltarune and made him (metaphorically) fuck your own mom just to piss people offOr how he hated how Asgore was portrayed as the good guy who tried to be kind to humans and Toriel was a genocidal freak who wanted them gone so he made Asgore a total fucking loser in Deltarune and Toriel a cheating "empowered woman"Etc etc
>>724215158Its not rape if its human male on monsters
>>724226034i literally said 18 words
>>724225578I called Kris a he in front of my 10 year old niece and she reiterated it. Even a 10 year old can tell it is a guy, why can't you?
>>724226789if "kris is clearly yellow" didn't put the genuinity of the post under question, you're a fucking retard
>>724221698>procceedKYORA BROS, THE RAKUZAUCHI IS PROCCEEDING
>>724227351disgusting cis-shit homophobic copulation
Noelle is now a moose, how does this change things?
>>724225775>the OP post about rape in Deltarune >this mf nigger jap post a Legendary Pokemon CardThe fuck are you doing here go back to /vp/
>>724215158They don't actually care about this shit. You're a gullible fool if you listen to what they say. It's all just a weapon to bring down whoever it is they dislike on that particular day and dressing it up as virtue.
>>724215158I was promised rape and all I got was dude putting a ring on her that she didnt likeDay ruined
Hmmm sex with Susie, otherwise fuck deltatroon
>>724227292surprised no one ever made any edit with Kris/The Soul with the Sazanami eyepiece
>>7242151581) it's not an actual rape2) you have to follow a ridiculously obtuse set of instructions to even see this scene3) the scene is presented as a bad thing
>>724224757get in line
>>724215158There's a rape scene in the game? I must have missed it.
>>724225775The Sneed joke doesn't work in Japanese.
>>724215158Cute boy like Kris? I’d sure let him put a ring on me (before I fuck his faggot soul out haha get it)
>>724225578You apes are annoying as fuck
>>724215158You still think this is about principles? It has never been about that. It has always been about crushing everyone you hate and getting away with it.They don't care about rape, pedophilia, violence or any other evil. They just think that their opposition has no right to exist.
>>724221585What if someone raped you then? I bet you wouldn't like that
>>724229014Raping bad people is okay. Everyone I disagree with should be raped.
>>724215158>RAPE SCENEDidn't actually happen. You are just making shit up. I don't even play Deltarune but I had to check.
https://youtu.be/BMkHJ4A6fSU?si=DoDaN4kH-sSa2z_t
>>724215158I actually played chapter 1 and 2 as they were free to play a couple years ago, and I thought it wasn’t too bad, good music, then I found out 3 & 4 were out and I wanted to check those out too, until I found out that they cost money and so I didn’t play them. That’s the end of that story
>>724228442Tits need to be bigger
>>724228442She can slam me against a locker and call me a little sissy faggot and sodomize me with her axe any day…
I see a tranny game i hide the thread
>>724215158Because it's not actual, literal rape. Plus he censored it immediately.
>>724215158You're getting mad at a strawman. If a rape scene is in media and it has a purpose and handles the material in an appropriate way nobody gets mad except schizos who everyone ignores except for retards on /v/.
>>724215158what
>>724215158>Normal route = Lesbianism wins, the world ends>Weird route = Heterosexuality wins, the world is a better place
>>724215158What if i want to play an RPG in which i can use an overpowered weapon like deer girl early on in the game?
>>724225578Kris is officially a straight white teenage boy. Everything else is your troon headcanon which is irrelevant like your life
>chapter 7 endinghow mad would you be?
>>724228442i want to make her wear sexy lingerie and then make her cook wearing nothing but pink apron
>>724236591>Fever dream ending is the character having a fever dreamLaugh.
>>724229521Its an allegory
>>724236591IV pole confirmed for best party member.
>>724236591biggest tragedy is Susie reverting back into a cruel dyke bully moment after you were about to kiss. Her being nice and a dumb loyal dog was all just your delusion
>>724236816Thats Ralsei and his healing ability
>>724236483Trvke, even Troony Fox can’t say otherwise, if there was a true genderless person they would likely not look male or female, yet Kris has been given a male design, therefore he’s male. But fags will weep and trannys opinions belong in the scrap heap.>>724236667Cute, she’s also the only good character he’s ever written
>>724237229I like Susie but Undertale and Deltarune have lots of good characters, too.
>another le rape thread>complete dogshitThanks for nothing OP
>>724215158Didn't he very quickly patch it to change how it could be interpreted?
Sometimes I think about the idea of a supposed "canon" ending being bad and terrible for everyone, especially Kris and Susie, and everything is suffering without anything good coming out of it and they just have to accept that and move on with their lives being worse.Delicious misery porn.
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>>724238120Doesn’t he like misery porn endings anyway? I’m sure Undertale had mostly bad endings.
>>724237536Blame Robert for making it, and the weird route overall, the most interesting thing about the game. Even the tumblrites secretly like the idea and some of them are turned on by it.The entire scene in her room outshines any other in the game so far by a long shot. The one and only thing bad about it is the fact that it was modified as it was initially perfect.
is toby REALLY a yurifaggot or does he just like tomboys?
>>724237534Other than Susie and Papyrus, they are all mid or generic
>>724238120Toby despise misery porn or edgy shit
>>724238546Undertale's pacifist ending is super happy if your name isn't Asriel.
>>724238954If he was the yurifag people claim he is he wouldn't make all of his girls bisexual
>>724238954he hates lgbt
>>724236948Oh shit.
>>724221461This picture just made me realize how wild it is to have an entire full sized sofa in your room
>>724240171He never exactly struck me as pozzed anyway, just a le quirky earthbound fan who thinks 2008 9fag humor is still funny (it never was)
>>724236886I need a fanfic/anim of Susie being feminized into a girlie princess-like chick after meeting Kris who's a true man
>>724238954Wait people ship Asgore/Undyne? That's news
>>724238954why is undyne lusting after asgore
>>724240974>>724241007It should be Alphys but she's not tall enough to look over the bushes
>>724241074This. Alphys is the one into Asgore. Undyne is a full dyke.
>>724228059She's aboot instead of about.
>>724240302She's a rich girl. >>724239119Or Chara.
>>724241074Is Undyne a confirmed dyke or did she had ship teasing with Asgore in Undertale?
>>724243513>did she had ship teasing with Asgore in Undertale?none of that, Asgore's a father figure
>>724243513Undyne never shows any romantic interest in anyone but Alphys, Asgore is a mentor to her, like Gerson
>>724243368Chara is fine. She's a ghost that can pass on and was canonically saved. Better than Asriel’s fate of being a soulless flower.
>>724243513Undyne only lusts after women in Undertale and everyone who likes her is also a girl.
>>724240974>>724241007she's excited because she's about to slam the dreemurrs since they're breaking the law by washing a car like that on the street and polluting the environment
>>724236591fans are getting blackpilled after years of shitty subversion of tropes in the media
>>724244278>She's a ghost that can pass on and was canonically saved.I mean, her passing on largely depends on the player letting the game go. Even then it's implied there is no afterlife. >Better than Asriel’s fate of being a soulless flower.Wouldn't Asriel technically have passed on if they are soulless?
>>724245042>it as all a coma dreamHas been a meme since I was six year old.
>>724245042Toby Fox has executed subversion very well in his works so far. While I don't think it makes him immune from doing it poorly in the future, I'm confident it's unlikely he would do an ass pull quite like this.
>>724215158hymen status?
How fucked would the rest of hometown be
>>724215890>Kris obviously didnt like itHe did, that's why he's so mad. He hates the fact that some part of him (aside from (you)) enjoyed it. Kris likes hurting people, and he hates it.
I want to proceed until Noelle is pregnant then I will force Kris to raise the kids while I go out and get milk.
>>724245797I don't think he likes hurting people. I think he likes getting stronger. It's why there's a level up mechanic in the mantle game
>>724240302That's bigger than a full size sofa
>>724229014depends on who's doing it
>>724245070No, Asriel is stuck as a flower because his essence is attached to it. So he can't let go once (you) are gone, unlike Chara.
What is Yagi theory?
>>724244913She's gonna slip on Susie and Dess's thorough sexual soakings though and give herself away
>>724245042This is worrysome because egg secret level also suggest there is past trauma involved with Kris and it could be just him being in a coma
>>724221585Not pictured in that video is a later scene where she thanks you for it, and another one where her mother calls you and tells you how excited she is to see you at the festival tomorrow. Also not pictured is how said girl admits multiple times to be being an extreme sadomasochist with an abuse fetish.
>>724224680>tries to ruin Kriselle>Makes it 100x more popular with chuds and non-chuds alike
>>724245361Toby has a lot of integrity as a story writer. When you think about it Undertale could easily have been written with the idea in mind that no matter what the player does they always return alone and empty handed to the real world, leaving it ultimately ambiguous whether anything happened. Lot of stories go this way when they involve a character going to some kind of different world and then returning with only memories/morale lessons/character growth. Undertale gives the biggest fuck you to this kind of lazy writing by having the character leave with all the monsters, bringing them to the real world. Now I don't necessarily think that everything Toby writes is gold but this, this is good shit. Fuck "did it really happen?" endings.
Deltatroon fans be like
I bought chapter 3 and 4 on day 1 but I've been sitting on them all this time. I don't know why, fear of being disappointed maybe. Are they as good as 1 and 2?
>>724245664Noelle and Asriel might be able to keep them in check. Otherwise, they are 100% going to go out like bonnie and Clyde.
>>724247141>RuinIt works because Kriselle is a viable ship and there is a element of tragedy to their interactions in the normal route.
>>724247250This is why Toby is the modern Tolkien surrounded by the mainstream media that wants to subvert everything with extra dose of cynical takes. Undertale was like the second positive portrayal of Christian church since like maybe Call of Juarez
>>724228059Do you have any anthro moose to give me an idea of how she'd look?
>>724221698What is the context of this?
>>724247361Deltarune fans be like
>>724228183But she did like it.
>>724247429Depends on your expectations. It's better than 1, but not 2 imo.
>>724247558>Undertale was like the second positive portrayal of Christian church since like maybe Call of JuarezDragon Quest exists.
>>724228373Its a secret you unlock by completing the weird route
>>724247623Context starts in Chapter 2. Only through research on line you can backtrack on the level and discover a way to freeze and kill the enemies instead making them run away. This will make Noelle act like a cruel weapon which will distress her after she wake ups but will assume it was a dream. Everything in that you tube video is what happens later in chapter 4
>>724247765This is honestly somebodies fetish.
>>724229931Deltarune has no DRM. You can just grab a copy on steamunlocked and play it for free.
>the deflowering imagery wasn't on the nose enough so Toby changed it to Noelle's hymen getting fucking obliteratedHow the fuck did he get away with this?
>>724247789Japanese dont respect Christianity. There is more nuns getting raped by evil christian priests than there is shounen protagonists in their media. Toby's is like the first westerner that show some respect to the people of faith
>>724245042Why is there a regular goat in there?
>>724247843Not same anon but I'm curious how this works since I was under impression you can play all chapters out of order. Does the game checks if you have a save file with the snowgrave route?
>>724247861Sharty has a cheese pizza problem. I would not be surprised if the unwitting glownigger assets who post there also jack off to their MSPaint scribbles
>>724248169you can either use a save from a previous chapter, or start from a specific chapter using some default state
>>724238120What if they can't move on with their lives and the whole world ends?
>>724248169Exactly that. It checks if Snowgrave was completed if you have a complete Chapter 2 and 3 file.
>>724248327World ending can also mean there's nothing in the world left to enjoy.
>>724245664You remember Chara and Asriel? Imagine if Asriel was replaced with a male Chara. People will die because of this.
>>724215158I'm not playing the future chapters until the entire game is out. Fox and co. made it this huge deal out of the Steam release, so I was under the impression, that the entire game was out. I was unable to verify it, because I was getting conflicting information and wanted to avoid spoilers. So I played it. Then I realized that there's still many more chapters to be released. What a pacing killer. Oh well. See ya in 10 years.
>>724248404Makes sense, similar mechanic for collecting the superboss special items.
Where the fuck is Toby going with this snowgrave nonsense. What's the moral of the story gonna be?
>>724248738what about "only chapters 3 and 4 are coming out" did you not understand
>>724248738See you in 2029.
>>724248852I didn't see any of that messaging. And again, I was getting conflicting information.
>>724246048Kris is a sadist who enjoys tormenting people and watching them squirm. That's what all those mean spirited pranks he pulled on Noelle were about. He liked watching her get upset, liked making her cry. He just a grew a conscience about it as he got older. He knows that hurting people is wrong, and that its wrong to enjoy it, but he still enjoys it, which is why its so easy to make him mess with people in mean ways. He's always got that deep seated desire, you just make him act on it.Think about him fucking with Alphys. He did that just to torment her and enjoyed it.
>>724248738That's the price to pay to play a game made by just one person. It'll be some of the most creative stuff the vidya medium has to offer but it's gonna take a looong time come out. On the positive side, people can theorize and shitpost infinitely while waiting.
>>724248957Kris is a natural sadistic dom, Noelle is a natural masochistic sub.It's a hell of a dynamic to put in a game.
>>724246802Ralsei is suspiciously similar to some guy that tried to kill himself in 2016/17 and the theory alleges that this is intentional, and honestly enough shit lines up that it'd be really fucking weird if it was a coincidence.Also the guy is alive but nobody's tried to talk to him except one guy who tried to steal his account and one guy who found out that someone (probably from here, who gets really mad at him) tried to steal his account.
>>724247429They're better than 1. On par with to slightly worse than 2. Some people swear by chapter 4 and say its the best part of the game, but not me.
>>724248738Next chapter is next year at least, after that it's just two more chapters where the story goes completely off-the-rails into meta territory.
>>724249343>and honestly enough shit lines up that it'd be really fucking weird if it was a coincidence.are you retardedralsei's existence predates undertale
>>724249812Don't reply to thread schizo.
>>724249812Even in that case it's weird because there'd be no conceivable way for this Yagi guy's nigga to be a dead ringer for Ralsei.It's weird both ways.
>>724249898Don't phish people and samefag nigger.
>>724249998it's not weird, it's called a coincidencehappens all the time
>>724215158What games can I sexually assault and traumatize women that trust me in?
>>724248828It illustrates the duality of gamers, those that want wholesome escapism in order to heal and those who want to simulate being a school shooter. In Toby's first game grinding all the monsters for exp had obviously negative consequences but ultimately it wasn't anything all that disturbing. Toby is just doubling down on delivering the same message by showing us Kris completely fuck up his life.
>>724250159It's a thread schizo that does the same dance of asking about this "Yagi" guy and then giving out a QRD thread after thread. There's no use arguing with him, just filter it.
>>724215158What's the motivation for doing the weird shit you do on the weird route? It seems so cryptic and arbitrary. At least in Undertale the different routes were fairly intuitive. Not in all of the activities needed to accomplish them, those could be a bit cryptic at times, just the guiding principles of either killing everybody, not killing anybody and being friendly, or falling somewhere in the middle. I have no idea what the in-game motivation for the weird route is. It seems like you're doing arbitrary cryptic shit just because. And Kris is extremely upset about involving Noelle for some indiscernible reason.
>>724250483>What's the motivation for doing the weird shit you do on the weird route?to see what happens
>>724248175>Sharty has a cheese pizza problemKek, no they don't, keep coping nigger
>>724250589I meant the in-game motivation. It just seems arbitrary.
>>724228059She'd be larger than Susie. Have you seen a moose before? The Monster Sport team would force her to join at gun point.
>>724215158Half his shipwarring fanbase thinks this scene is good for their respective ships so they tolerate even when the copium is at lethal dosage.Like oh man Noelle getting her psyche just absolutely violated and being turned into a glorified puppet is going to be GREAT for the suselle stocks.
>>724248828Maybe instead of a moral lesson it's just straight up a bad endingThese two likes each other but Kris prevents any of her advances maybe because of the prophecy related to the second hero, almost all Susie and Noelle scene gets skipped in favor of them, these two getting together is dangerous and hot
>>724247623Here's a video of the prerequisite secret route you have to do to see this scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YydudX7kjkY I'd recommend fast forwarding through it to get the full contextqrd is that Noelle(deer girl) is the estranged childhood friend of Kris (human guy). Kris is currently possessed by (you) the player as part of some unknown plot involving magic occult shit, which he is actively using you for. Noelle is a really timid and suggestible person, with a thinly veiled masochistic streak. Normally, you can't make any kind of serious choices with impact in the game, you can't even kill enemies. But in chapter 2, when you get Noelle in your party, you can use her ice magic to actually kill enemies. If you do it enough, the game lets you exert your player powers and dominate her mentally into doing all manner of things, with obvious romantic undertones to a lot of the lines. You make her murder a shopkeep (who asks you if you're dating, to which you reply "we're something else") to get her a special ring, which ups her magic stat. Another shopkeep (who's also an evil schizophrenic) hears about your rampage and sells you a special ring that ups her stats even more and gives her a new spell. It also reduces her HP to half with tick damage and puts her in a trance. The last you do is make her murder her current best friend using this new spell called snowgrave.
>>724248904I love the content that this fandom creates in response to the snowgrave route. Delicious completely messed up emotionally conflicting toxic hurt comfort abuse. I want full games of this, not hidden routes. Fuck dating sims when we can have this instead.
>>724248828Maybe it's just a genocide route but with less edge to create an alternative bad ending.However Toby would call it in some evil way, so maybe it's an alternative route that will also lead to a good ending but more focused on Kriselle instead of Suselle/Krusie?
>>724250483Freedom. That's what YOU want, chum, freedom! Breaking the game and escaping the rails, if you can.
>>724250686As of yet, it's a complete mysteri think it lends credence to a time loop or something going on, as it feels predicated on future knowledge
>>724248490No, I mean what if they have a mental breakdown and cause the end of the world, Shinji style?
>>724225578>Pronouns, gender spectrum shit>Sexual orientation, LGBT+++++ stuff>Any perceived "sexualization" or fanservice elements (especially relative to character ages, or at least whatever vague age range people think a character fits into)>Deranged shipfaggotry and any other self-insert romances, to the point of being the lasting legacy of way too many IPs after the finally end>Female characters in general prompting more extreme reactions from peopleIs there any other sex-based shitstorm material I should be aware of as a would-be creator?
>>724248828Raping reindeer girls is hot, especially when they want to be raped
>>724251571It's not an issue in Deltarune since all the characters bar one are monsters, but if you make your cast mostly white (even if it makes perfect sense), a few Twitterati will complain about lack of diversity.
>>724249138Noelle was conditioned into being a masochist by Kris's constant mean pranks and Dess comforting her afterwards.
>>724251571All you need to do is to make cute tomboy character and write a game where she becomes the waifu of the self insert MC. After that you will drown in money and fans
>>724251875Noelle conditioned Kris into being a sadist by being so fucking bullyable
>>724249998Asriel is just a clone of Ralsei personality and design wise. Yagi's fursona was just Asriel with different colors. Of course they would be similar.
>>724250483>>724250686I really dislike that aspect of the weird route as well. I wish there was no arbitrary components and it just required you to kill all enemies, no need to select special choices or do specific interactions. Why not make those interactions automatic once you're already locked into genocide mode? Why get kicked out for not doing ultra specific things? For me the best design decision would have been to make the route easily accessible to a new player who knows nothing about the game, but the odds of that are quite low. You basically need a guide and that means getting spoiled which just takes away some of the impact.
>>724248828>What's the moral of the story gonna be?Heterosexual bad
>>724250483(you)'re doing it for whatever reason (you) irl are doing it. Personally, I'm in it for the sweet sweet [freedom sauce]. I don't care about good or bad endings if its all pre-determined. I want the ending that I chose, whatever that may be.
>>724252080Toby retard-proofed Weird Route so that you can't make a million bad faith arguments on infinite loop like Genocide
>>724251571If you really don't want a fandom like this, you have to write a novel or make a game that doesn't have any characters you can sympathize with or get attached to.But the truth is, you're very unlikely to go anywhere or get fans at all. Make something YOU want to see and will be happy to see again years after you're done with it.
>>724252080Because it's obviously something you're supposed to do after playing the game normally (even in-universe)You're doing extremely specific things that push the game logic far enough to break the conditioning and cause things to go off rails, it's quite clear that you're intended to be using future knowledge, especially as it's only hinted to you how to start it in chapter 3
>>724250686There is no in-game motivation because the one doing it is (you) the player. This isn't like Undertale where you can pin the blame on Chara or Frisk. This is all you. Sure the other characters have motivation for playing their parts in the route, but you're the driving force behind it.>>724252080the point of the weird route is that you're exploiting some tiny flaw in the system to break the game
>>724251984They truly are made for each other.
>>724250686It's probably that Noelle is special in some way and using her earlier will allow you to break the prophecy.
>>724251571A lot of these are the result of making something good that people are passionate about. If autists on the internet aren't willing to murder each other over your game, then you've made a boring game that no one cares about.
>>724251571Funny how most of the replies are about making something you like when shit like Kris being or not being nonbinary constantly fucking derails threads
>>724239839nooo, Noelle. don't rape mee. haha.
>>724251571>Deranged shipfaggotry and any other self-insert romances, to the point of being the lasting legacy of way too many IPs after the finally endI'm genuinely worried this will be the fate of Deltarune too
>>724250412How many times do you need to be wrong about this? Genuine question?
>>724252170It's been a while since I played Genocide but I remember it being a lot more forgiving. The only thing that's not-intuitive about Genocide is that you have to do the murder dance in every area to deplete them of random encounters. If you tell a new player they have to kill the monsters to unlock the bad end they're not likely to assume you have to do this step. They might do it anyway, but still, it's random encounters having a limited invisible counter is not a common thing for a RPG. If you just tell a new player about this, the odds that they can complete Genocide without consulting any guide is quite high. There are other things to do (eat the snowman?) but they are contextually easy to guess, you really just have to offer that one piece of information. In comparison Snowgrave route has a lot of obscure steps and tiny weird things to keep in mind. The biggest offence I can remember is this one, selecting "Susie wouldn't" sounds like generic bullying but it completely invalidates the weird route. Like, you're being manipulative and mean and possessive but... Not in the correct way? Jeez.
>>724253069it's so autistic and takes away from any actual interesting discussion that i just don't care anymore.
>>724240375Same. He strikes me the kind of gun who would put the pixies from Mother 3 in his game, but can't do it in this day and age as he'd be nailed to a cross.Which is a shame as I thought they were neat characters.
you look like this
>>724252080Really? for me it feels more special because of the way Kris and Noelle revolve around it, it's not only telling Noelle killing people, it's someone Kris really cares about so doing mean things to her also affects him, and who knows if he also has guilty pleasure about itIt's unnecesary cryptic but lorewise is really good
>>724253752me on the right
>>724225578If being a "they" is clearly a thing why you faggots gotta wear buttons?
>>724215158noelle is peak rapebait so its only natural
>>724253069No one would care about Kris being non-binary if Deltarune were a bad game. People care precisely because its a good game that they like and are invested in.
>>724253754Don't worry, I love everything about what you describe. In fact I love it so much that I think it's a shame that it isn't more accessible. Just share the deer abuse, ya know?
>susie forcibly drags ralsei to go with her in Ch2>susie taught ralsei fucking owo speak at some point>both of ralsei's big emotional speeches were directed towards susiewhere the fuck is toby going with their dynamic
>>724254385People care because it's a sure fire way to assure the person you're talking to is an obnoxious secondary.
>>724253553>The only thing that's not-intuitive about Genocide is that you have to do the murder dance in every area to deplete them of random encounters.Any player of RPGs is primed to go grind for levels and gold anyways.
>>724253069That's because people here don't like what Toby likes, but there's a reason he still has a fanbase.
>>724254530susie also called him cute during ch. 2 at some point
>>724254530Chasriel 2.0, now with 100% less fuckedupness.
>>724253553>Like, you're being manipulative and mean and possessive but... Not in the correct way? Jeez.It has to be the kind that forces Kris and Noelle together. Play like someone who wants to exploit and break the game, and also wants to fuck Noelle, and you'll be on the right track.
>>724254385>No one would care about Kris being non-binary if Deltarune were a bad game./v/ does not act like this, people will sniff out any vaguely controversial element and run circles with it rather than talking about the actual game
>>724253553I am pretty sure this doesn't affect the Weird Route, though.
>>724253553I remember that the wheel choice wasn't obligatory, but people took it as an actual step because it really fits the route
>>724254815It got like that with the fagmins banning most of people actually talking about the game. It's not the natural state of affairs.
>>724254386finding obscure and creepy video game secrets is also an integral part of Noelle's character. So it makes sense why her special route is so hard to find.
>>724253553>There are other things to do (eat the snowman?)The only requirement for the geno route is depleting the kill counter
>>724254530It's called good writing. A bad writer only has the characters interact with the protagonist and when they don't they just ignore each other, a good writer makes secondary characters interact with each other. If everyone is equally friend in the fun gang then Ralsei and Susie should have just as many fun interactions as Kris has personal interactions with Ralsei and Susie. Taking that in consideration it's still clearly lopsided.
>>724253754a tar dipping fetish is the most Noelle thing I've ever heard of
>>724254817It's in a weird spot, you're not obligated to interact the ferris wheel but if you do then yeah you have to select the right choice.
>>724254530>>724254734she's also constantly talking about ralsei in light world segments
>>724254815it would've been a flash in the pan fotm or just some occasional ritual posting like Bazzposting. Deltarune has had regular recurring threads on three board for seven years.
>>724254585Would you care about secondaries if you didn't care about Deltarune?
>>724255215Out of the entire DR cast, Ralsei is the one person I can see Susie actually having a crush on.
>>724255354I feel like this is neglecting the fact that people even at risk of getting nuked by the fagmins still talk about Undertale and wanting to cope with the fact that this situation is clearly different.
>>724255435Did I say or give the impression off that I didn't care about Deltarune?
https://youtu.be/at-aPIoUGT8I'M OLD
>>724254585how? as obvious as it is that Kris is a guy, the fucker is still canonically a they/themfag
>>724253752Me on the TV
>>724253752Why is one of them wearing's Komaeda's shirt and coat?
>>724254530She has a crush on him. End game pairings are Susie-Ralsei, Kris-Noelle.Thus making everyone entertainingly angry.
>>724255195Is it, actually? I didn't know that.
>>724255617That's what this discussion was about. I was saying secondaries, gender arguments, and ship wars are symptoms of Deltarune's success.
>>724255509That doesn't change my point
Philosophical zombie, Man against Time or anti-villain?
>>724255806>tomboy/femboy>childhood friendsif toby actually manages to pull this off, i'll forgive all his gender faggotry
>>724252080While I agree that the Undertale system is more elegant, the problem is, that Toby has already done it. Not only has he done it, Undertale was a sort of definitive meditation on binary moral systems in games and a reflection on the way players engage with them. So transplanting it into Deltarune would be such a creatively-bankrupt thing to do, that would showcase a lack of understanding of what the original system was about. It would be foregoing using gameplay elements as theme vehicles in service of a superficial gameplay similarity. Given all that, I welcome that the weird route does for something different. But it doesn't change the fact that it feels a bit confusing and arbitrary. Maybe it's just a limitation of the game being released in chapters. Maybe it would be more clear what you would need to do if you beat the entire game.
>>724256016What do you mean by that?
>>724255640Because for literary reasons the ambiguous designation of Kris is meant as a device to create distance from the player in which case deciding it to be an explicit concrete statement of their identity (and frequently it lining up to correlate yourself as Kris) and making a point of it to attack people online over it is ultimately missing the point way more than choosing to interpret Kris as Male, Female, or Unknown but still distinct from the player as that still recognizes that Kris is a discrete entity from the player rather than overshadowing them.
>>724253069people get autistically upset when you talk about kris being non binary or not is because of self inserters notice how on average nobody give a shit if you call kris a male, but call him non binary or god forbid, a girl and watch how people melt down at the thought that they might not be playing a a dude
>>724254773That's Dessriel. Dessriel is literally Chasriel but not problematic for the normies.
>>724215158The pronouns, so it's safe.
>>724256016Anti-villain against Time.
>>724256296You say that like she didn't molest his younger brother.
>>724255454i agree, and it would actually make some sense since toby IS into the whole bully x nerd shitbut i still don't believe it will happen because when he's doing that on purpose you end up with irredeemable dogshit like suselle and undyne x alphyson the topic, if susie had a relationship with noelle similar to ralsei's suselle would actually be pretty good
>>724256243That's just /v/ exclusive and applies to all humans in the series. People here just prefer dicks in their humans in general because they want fuck furry women. Even if female humans are better outside of Kris.
>>724256243The gender crowd also get mad when you call Kris anything other than non-binary mainly because of self inserters. They're projecting themselves onto non-binary Kris, then viewing any disagreement with the idea that Kris is non-binary as an attack on their personal identity.
>>724250640Oh yes it does, and it's produced two school shooters. Don't know why null keeps funding your servers.
>>724256436Normies don't actually believe this and so Dessriel is not problematic.
>>724255983Pretty sure neither Deltarune nor Undertale being flavors of the month is a pretty important detail against the point you're trying to make.It's got an actual legacy here.Unique perspectives.Hell even just between /v/ and /vg/ there's a big enough gap to recognize its "flavor".
>>724256668they also see Dess as being just as much of a psycho as Chara
>>724256296Leaving aside the "hurr durr it's incest" angle normalfags got filtered by, I got the feeling Dessriel will be inherently more fucked up than Charasriel.
>>724256436>Chapter 7 has a Schizo boss that attacks with hand shaped bullets and does shit like try to unzip the attack box>Raves the entire time about how Kris can't tell anyone and it's their little secret, ectHow fucked up would it be and would you respect Toby for doing it?
>phishing charafag is back
>>724256436That's litteraly a thing that is only here and it's a stupid meme for groomfetishists.
>>724256734I would actually buy both Deltarune and Undertale
>>724256683That's what I said though. I said Undertale and Deltarune not being FOTMs is proof that they're popular, and therefore proof that they did something right.
>>724256016Man Against Time, in the sense that Kris is the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler, himself a reincarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu.>>724256243FemKris theorists get along fine here. People hate the most annoying part of the fanbase which insists that Kris has to be non-binary or else it's "erasure" (because Kris is a self-insert to them and therefore it's personal).
>>724252080>Why do I have to actually play the game and make my own decisions? Why doesn't the game WHICH IS ENTIRELY ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOU PLAYING IT just play itself?If this is your mentality just stick to watching it on Youtube, Jesus fucking Christ
>>724256605so... at the end of the day, the problem in both camps is self-inserters?
>>724256734Depends on her character design
>>724256741I've seen plenty of it on e6 and r34
>>724256586>Do not repost or usemy artworksyou are finished!
>>724252117They can't cuck him again. They just can't.
>>724256849femkris supporters seem to get along alright with each other, but there are a few shitposters who go full tard rage on themno i do not mean people who argue against it, i'm talking about those autists who just say 'nuh uh' over and over and refuse to actually give counter arguments
I still believe ERAM is a Dess expy.
>>724257046>yeah but ive seen porn of itshut the fuck up.
>>724256910yes, specifically self inserters who aren't salient enough to realize that they're self inserting. If you prefer to think of Kris as a guy because you like playing as guys, go ahead. Just don't act like a faggot when someone draws Kris with tits. And if you're a trannie who wants Kris to be a trannie, go ahead. Just don't act like its undeniable canon or persecution to say otherwise.
>>724257121Normies watch porn too, and most of the DR fanbase looks at porn of the characters.
>>724257314Great to know Ralsei x Toriel porn is a valid interpretation now, or the diner bunny x kris.
>>724256719Just as the Knight but normies think the Knight is Dess's Flowey form.
>>724255010Weird, I thought eating the snowman would be a requirement. In that case the only small arbitrary things to watch out for is that you need to deplete the kill counter before progressing further and triggering story events since you only ever get one chance to kill bosses. Somewhat guessable but somewhat weird since you can spare random encounters and kill them later.
>>724257504you have to go by quantity. Dess x Kris has a lot. Plus I've seen people on tumblr and twitter say they see it too. Like that one tumblr screencap calling Kris "the most raped character in fiction"
>>724215158Because it's not a rape sceneAlso Kris has they/them pronouns and Susie and Noelle are lovers
>>724257052It was already on Danbooru so it's not my fault.
>>724257664The game will stop you and warn you before fighting Papyrus (kind of) and Undyne if you haven't killed everybody.
>>724256586What's up with those little red curls in their writing?
>>724257668>Like that one tumblr screencap calling Kris "the most raped character in fiction"What is it about young human men that make them irresitable to older deer women?
>>724257668why do you think i mentioned ralsei x toriel
>>724257064It's mostly people that insist all humans are male that are schizo against it. People who are fine with either FemFrisk or FemChara can accept the FemKris theory even if they prefer Male Kris.
>>724215158I i want to have topless cuddling with noelle, i want to feel her soft and silky fur covered body rubbing aganist my body i want to feel her soft and silky fur covered face rubbing against my face.
>>724256910Kris is interesting because he is his own persona but also passive enough letting you make his choices that it's a good self-insert for anyone.In fact so good that people are willing to defend /attack him because of his actions like his allegiance with the Knight, it's like he is purposefully acting this way to manipulate the player
>>724257950I don't know. It was already there when I downloaded it. I guess it's to represent their souls?
>>724253553This choice feels like >Kriselle route>friendzone route with everyone>Krusie routeBut then it also adds Ralsei in another choice pic related as well as adds Berdly in the plushie gifting scene
>>724256864But Undertale's genocide route is more forgiving and even has Chara taking over to instakill Asgore and Flowey. I'm just arguing in favor of small stuff like making the Thorn Ring unmissable, calm down your titties.
The offer of a century
>>724257795Noelle change her focus with Kris in weird tho!
>>724258258That's just because she's in denial about her feelings for Kris during the normal route.
>>724226062You can just tell this art was made by a woman
>>724258242People would totally chose to kill Sans nowadays.
>>724258087I'm loving the symbolism in this one. Frisk keeps their heart intact, Chara eagerly snaps it, and the fate of Kris is still undetermined but not looking too good.
>>724256910always has beenthe most interesting thing about kris is that he specifically isn't a self insert and has a whole personality and backstory to hammer this inunfortunately toby's ruse in ch1 worked a little too well and we still have people who deny kris' entire character to this day
>>724254530Ralsei also constantly teases her if you give him the chance.
Since people expected Toriel to join the party and she did jackshit, what if Tony surprise us and Asgore actually joins it
>>724215158>deltatroon
>>724254530If Toby implemented shipping routes in later chapters then1. Core pairings would be depending on choices in game - Suselle(staying neutral), Krusie(Susie picks and secret events) or Kriselle(Noelle picks and secret events)2. Additional if Toby feels generous to code - Kralsei and Kerdly3. Absolutely spoiling the fandom non vital ships to put in the game - Susie/Ralsei, Susie/Berdly, Berdly/Noelle
>>724257795>Because it's not a rape scenetrue>Also Kris has they/them pronounshe doesn't, its a meta narrative to remain ambigous about his gender, otherwise monsters who don't know Kris or who hate him would not bother using corect pronouns or use he or she by mistake>Susie and Noelle are loversnot lovers, Noelle has a fixation on Susie and its not romantic, just post traumatic response to Dess tragic event as well as mechanism to distance herself from Kris
>>724248828Video game romances are bad. Gacha slop where you turn random girls into waifu obsessed with (you) is bad writing.
>>724250483>>7242520801/2You have to consider that by playing the chapters and their weird route counterparts as they release, you are playing the game out of its intended order. The way its clearly designed to be played is going through the normal route of chapters 1-7, and then going back and doing the weird route on a second or third playthrough of the entire game. Looking at it this way contextualizes the route and explains what you consider design flaws as an incredible piece of meta storytelling.What I believe to DELTARUNE's ultimate philosophical stance about fate is that epistemologically free will is not real; people do not really have control over their own destiny, but despite that, your future is unknowable, and the only way to lead a healthy life is to take advantage of your unknowable future to live like you do have free will. Toby Fox explores this idea through the paradigm of video games. Characters in a video game act according to a fixed script. They do not have free will. Despite this, over the course of a single playthrough of a video game, they feel dynamic. They feel like real, and you enjoy them. This is not unlike how you live your life. If time could be rewound like loading a save in a video game, you would act exactly the same way you did the first time (because the universe is deterministic). Despite this, your living of life does not feel predetermined. This is the thematic essence of DELTARUNE, and its a clever expansion of UNDERTALE's themes of discouraging the player from replaying it over and over again.There's a reoccurring theme in the game with the optional bosses that characters realize their lack of freewill, and go insane trying to oppose it. This is most obvious with Spamton. His ultimate goal is to become a "BIG SHOT" — someone who can make their own decisions rather than be beholden to someone foreign will. This is his trying to oppose being a video game character. He is trying to break free from the game's script.
>>724257950those are from frisk because she is snoozing
>>724250483>What's the motivation for doing the weird shit you do on the weird route?Freedom.Noelle is like a weak point you can exploit to make the entire thing unravel. All of kris and Carol's carefully laid plans will be destroyed.
>>724257610Most of what I've seen is artists depicting normal Dess as a psycho.
>>724259058>its a meta narrative to remain ambigous about his gender, otherwise monsters who don't know Kris or who hate him would not bother using corect pronouns or use he or she by mistakeall the monsters in town knows who kris is, thoughand darkners just know who certain lightners are for some reason
>>724258453average wholesome kriselle art
>>7242591382/2Of course, this is impossible. Much like humanity cannot break free from the laws of physics that bound us all, Spamton cannot break free of the video game code that controls him. This is symbiotically represented by the puppet strings in his boss fight. Ultimately, his obsession with breaking free, with becoming a "BIG SHOT," destroys him. Compare this to Gerson. Gerson has spent his entire career studying the prophecy. He is the character in the story who is most aware of the prophecy and its implications. Despite this, his attitude toward life is overwhelmingly optimistic. He treats the prophecy not as something to oppose, but as something to embrace. He looks at the parts of the prophecy lost to time (symbolic of humanity's unknowable future) and sees them as opportunities.Let us look back to the weird route. Its purpose narratively to give us (the player, not Kris) the opportunity to oppose the prophecy. It is obtuse on purpose. It is something that would never make sense to do for the sake of being something that would never make sense to do. That is how you oppose fate. But of course, as Spamton shows us, any effort to break free from fate is a folly that leads to destruction. There's a lot of parallels between a player doing the weird route and schizo bosses who go insane trying to oppose fate. Some mysterious entity introduces them to the idea that fate can be opposed. For Spamton, this was the voice on the phone. For the player, its the video game in Chapter 3 that hints at the weird route. The fighting of fate then goes on to lead to horrible consequences. For Spamton, its his transformation into the monster he is when you meet him in Chapter 2. For the player, its tearing apart Kris's life and enduring whatever horrible fallout results from completion of the weird route. Instead of the player letting fate take its course and ending up with the happy (perhaps bitter sweet) normal ending, they tried to fight it and became a monster.
>>724251296Games are terrified of portraying abusive relationships. I think Star Wars the Old republic has a few. Up to and including corrupting young Jedi padawan and turning them into your wife.
>>724259172It's wild how Asriel is the only one that has managed to dodge the psycho portrayal despite, you know, Flowey being a thing.
>>724259258>Let us look back to the weird route.>Let us look backAI slop spamKill yourself
>>724252117Reminder that Adventure Time is inspired by a boy and his dog. Which was a inherently deconstructive work.
>>724215158He didn't get away with it. He was either forced by industry thugs to change picrel, or he pussed out and caved to appease the low level leftgroids.
>>724255640Nah, everyone I saw who actually cared about the series/homestuck/etc play the game called Kris a guy at least once, even the most libbed up tumblrfagOnly ones who make a big deal about they/them bullshit are those secondaries who only care about the game because of identity stuff with a good chance they never actually played it
>>724253069I really don't care one way or another but it's very easy bait that others will use.
>>724259534The reason this post came out an hour after the thing I was replying to is because I was spending time writing it. You probably don't read a whole lot so I can't blame you for not knowing this, but that is a common expression in text analysis.
>>724225578Yeah, and the simpsons are clearly yellow, which makes them chinese. But their japanese are white.
>>724259058>its a meta narrative to remain ambigous about his gendercope>Noelle has a fixation on Susie and its not romanticMEGA cope
>>724259258Well said and it fits well with Ralsei’s worries.
>>724259532Most people view Flowey as a completely separate person from Asriel, that's why.
>>724259606>accuse other people of not playing the game>lives in denial of the game's script
>>724256296>Dessriel is literally Chasriel but not problematic for the normies.I can't wait to find out Dessriel is actually as fucked up as Chara and Asriel. Including suicide pacts, emotional gaslighting, and Dess [genuinly not caring for Kris.
>>724256725> I got the feeling Dessriel will be inherently more fucked up than Charasriel.I mean, will it involve Dess trying to talk Kris and Asriel into killing themselves?
>>724259889>t. read a wiki page and watched my favorite v-tuber play it, I was sure to correct her everytime she called Kris a "he"
>>724257961Ralsei x toriel only has 230 results. That's compared the 1.8k and 1.8k that Ralsei x Susie and Ralsei x Kris have. Hardly a main ship considering how long those characters have been around. Meanwhile Dess has 380 hits, 150 of which contain Kris. That's almost half, while Toriel has 19k and Ralsei has 8k, while together they only have 230. That's 3% of Ralsei's images and just over 1% of Toriel's. Artists really like pairing Kris with Dess.
>>724257952Deers are actually wendigo. They are predators by nature, and it's only a all vegetarian diet why they don't eat Kris.
>>724259775Nigger that line is talking about the normal route you secondary fuck.
>>724259896>suicide pacts, emotional gaslighting,But normalfags don't take issue with any of that.The thing they hate is incest. And they truly, genuinely, believe Chara and Asriel are siblings thanks to that one line in New Home. Never mind that Asriel only referred to Chara as his best friend or that neither Asgore nor Toriel act as if Chara had been their child.>>724259968Maybe. Depends on what the promise Kris agreed to is.
>>724260078honestly i was just kinda done with this conversation because i thought it was silly to debate about but i am surprised that ralsei x toriel surpasses dess x kris. Funny.
>>724259138>>724259258>Weird route is the player becoming a schizo bosscrazed>>724260250How can that be about the normal route? That dialogue is exclusive to the weird route and is obviously in reference to it.
>>724259532People find it much easier to distance Flowey from Asriel than they do to realize that Chara and Genocide Chara aren't the same time. I've said this before, but Asriel really isn't as innocent as people think.As for Dess, people are just guessing right now. Honestly, I kind of hope she actually isn't all that different and she just always kind of had a dark side.
>>724260250It literally only happens in the Weird Route.
>>724257952I love deltarune characters drawn as classical paintings. Do you have any more?
>>724259138>>724259258very interesting analysis. I only ever played the first chapter when it came out and things like this make me excited to experience the whole story on its full release
>>724259731Its a post traumatic fetish, thus why she doesn't have anything reminding her of Susie in her house and everything is related to Kris
>>724260380>>724260407fucking retards
>>724259138>>724259258It's a good analysis, and it plays into metanarratives about breaking the game to the player's wishes. This existed in Undertale but Deltarune is much more specific about it. I wonder how Kris views the issue of determinism? On the surface he seems submissive to it but he seems invested in subverting the Prophecy.
>>724260018Hey anon, you can try the demo for Deltarune for free at deltarune.com and see for yourselfOh be careful though! Make sure you're in safe space, you might get triggered by th*y/th*m pron*uns. Hope this helps!
>>724260362Surpasses it in raw numbers, but per capita Dess is fucking Kris more. Dess only has 380 images on e6, and just under half of those are with Kris.
>>724260353> And they truly, genuinely, believe Chara and Asriel are siblings thanks to that one line in New HomeIt's funny to me since the line itself said they were like siblings. They were also like ten years old so it's pretty unlikely they would have romantic feelings for each other even fi the two are clearly soulmates.>Never mind that Asriel only referred to Chara as his best friend or that neither Asgore nor Toriel act as if Chara had been their childTo be fair, Toriel and Asgore do seem to have served as some kind of parental substitute and Chara and Asriel did live under the same roof but it's genuinly probably closer to a father and mother in law than viewing both as siblings in the traditional sense.
>>724260594https://youtu.be/WydFniuvZYM?t=19721
>>724260620Isn't most Dess porn with Asriel?
>>724260710Yes we've established you're a secondary that can't properly engage with an interactive medium.There's no need to post a youtube video reasserting this.
>>724260549She has some pictures of Kris and no pictures of Susie because Kris is her childhood friend she's known for basically her whole life and she just became friends with Susie yesterday. Are you okay, anon?
>>724260594>No argument
>>724260616Don't care, still watched three separate liberal Homestuck millennial Yugioh streamers of various sexualities call Kris a boy before their chat jumped down their throats about itEveryone who plays it innately knows he's a dude, you've lost
>>724260773probabaly not. you can always count on porn to be mostly "main male character with most female characters". that and dessriel isn't known to most of the playerbase yet. people see sexy deer and just draw the mc fucking it.
>>724260808Suselle will only happen in an obscure route when a player is a cuck and pick choices encouraging Suselle. So only you will experience it, anon
Someone just learned the word "secondary" today and is trying his best to use it, be patient with him, he'll figure it out eventually (we hope)
>>724260705>They were also like ten years old so it's pretty unlikely they would have romantic feelings for each other even fi the two are clearly soulmates.Asriel clearly loves Chara to the point he's obsessed with her.
>>724260783>outs himself as the secondary he was complaining about>can't even accept he was wrong 7/10 bait, you got me to reply again
>>724260853>I know Kris's pronouns no matter what the game says because the demisexual Homestuck streamers I watched validated my headcanonWhatever makes you happy, sweetheart
>>724260902I am certain he's the local schizo who spergs out over Deltarune threads being samefagged by the secondary admins.
everyone shut the fuck up already
>>724260984You retarded nigger baboon.Why would dialogue about the potential fallout of an alternative path be statedON THE FUCKING PATH YOU ARE CURRENTLY ON. DUMB ASS.
>>724261046As in, he thinks Deltarune threads are just the jannies samefagging except him.
>>724261037Correct, literally everyone from every walk of life calls Kris a guy, except for the people maintaining a wiki page who must show you their 47 citations about it
>>724260616>picrel...wait fuck is alphys in on the conspiracy?
>>724261123No, everyone just knows who YOU are because you take everything as a personal attack charanigger.
this is the end game, no matter how hard you want to push for Suselle
>>724261156that's alphys looking at kris balance a trash orb on they head
>>724259138>(because the universe is deterministic)Quantum mechanics says hello.But nondeterminism does not imply existence of free will. You may still have none, all your actions resulting from fundamental randomness of wavefunction collapses.
sex with kris
>>724261156No, she's trying to sound like she's a good teacher with students that aren't huge freakazoidsShe says the last line after looking over to see Kris standing their carrying a bunch of garbage on his head
>>724260898Okay suselle is shit, but literally anything you do in normal route you can't prevent them getting closer because of the obligatory cutscenes and Susie refusing to follow some orders, only in weird Noelle focuses on Kris instead
>>724261230Kek, I actually was right. You're so obvious.
anyone else want to make this little faggot cum his brains out?
>>724260705>>724260941Asriel seems to be have been friendless other than Chara so knowing only your BFF growing up, while being locked to a child's mental state for an unknown length of time, would lead to such an obsession.>>724261156Alphys just wants her class to get along which means her trouble students (Kris and Susie) need to be functional. She is the archetypical accommodating teacher who has no idea of discipline, being undisciplined herself.
>>724251226I wonder what the point of it is though? Just to be evil for a bit? That's kind of based though
>>724221698>Equip cocksleeve
>>724261265>>724261312>>724261348she only does that after the second to last textboxbefore that shes totally just lying her ass off to toriel in the actual classroom theres dialoge of her having limits to how much she can let kris sleep through or skip classits weird she dosent tell toriel about that concerned hes not getting enough sleep or something
>>724261156Probably not, but that dialogue is actually an overlooked example of Toriel expressing subtle concern about Kris's sudden change in behavior since we started possessing them
>>724251226>"we're something else"If not dating, then what the fuck are we? Partners?
>>724260485
>>724261296Philosophers are argued for literal millennia about whether or not humans have free will. To stay on topic with Deltarune, all I'll say is that the evidence within the game suggests Toby Fox is working off the assumption that free will is not real, and the game is about coping with this fact.
>>724261324>I samefag so despite months of people disliking me there's only one person who dislikes meYou don't even believe this retard, you know because you've gotten the fagmins to ban people for reporting you or saying you need to fuck off back to /vg/.
>>724258014but would you be willing to give her what she wants?
>>724261474It's because she's a huge pushover that wants her students to like her, so she lets them do literally anything with no repurcussions
>>724261506she does it since the 1st chapter, even.
>>724254530based expectations: Ralsusie is the sleeper curveball nobody expectedrealistic expectations: Despite Susie sticking with Noelle, the themes of friendship in Toby's game are even more predominant and the key driving force of the narrative even if fans don't pay enough attention to it
>>724261316Also the same for Susie and Kris, no matter what you do, if you're mean towards her, even doing the weird route, those two will become besties regardless
>>724261156That just shows Alphys is in fact a good person and I take back everything bad I've ever said about her because I have vanishingly few people who will pretend I'm normal. Now to make Noelle help me kidnap and handcuff Undyne to a bed as a present for Alphys
>>724261328not me!
>>724261348Asriel does seem to move on to Frisk pretty quickly, even if he still loves Chara, so what you say makes sense.
>>724224680>Remember these are mentally ill faggots who hate their lives so projection is the only way they can live with themselvesmy irony meter just shattered
>>724261656It's obvious Toriel loves Kris, but that doesn't preclude her from neglecting him on certain aspects. Or from doing retarded shit like getting drunk and inviting a stranger to her home with zero consideration to how risky that is for herself and her teenage child.
>>724258498There's also the people who still self insert, but then don't realize it and act like they know "the real Kris" when really its just a thinly veiled self insert. A lot of the militant non-binary Kris fags do this.
>>724261851that's just him being a reboundfag
>>724261550sauc
>>724253752The sad thing us they're probably having more sex than me.
>>724261904of course, but it seems like everyone forgot how hard she tries to connect with Kris in favor of her being unredeemable. I enjoy that Toby made her more evidently flawed, but it seems like one of those aspects of the game that can only be viewed as one extreme or the other.
>>724259532He was completely normal until Chara broke him
>>724259138>You have to consider that by playing the chapters and their weird route counterparts as they release, you are playing the game out of its intended order.Counterpoint: If this is true, I think it's just bad design to release the Weird Route in a chapter-by-chapter model because it's impossible for players to experience it until it's complete. The Weird Route content should only be made available when the game was complete
>>724256296>implying Chasriel wasn't stupidly popular among the massesthat shit was asriel's most popular ship back in the day and chara's second most popular if not for chariskbros. hell the ship is inexplicably becoming popular again (for some reason)
Catti hatred towards Susie is kinda funny, the fuck she did lmao
>>724260941>Asriel clearly loves Chara to the point he's obsessed with her.Yeah. I mean, you can read it as just best friends or siblings if you want but if you honestly look at how obsessed Asriel seemed to be(With it being implied Chara wasn't that far behind) it's very easy to assume the only reason it wasn't romantic is youth.>>724261348>Asriel seems to be have been friendless other than CharaAlways wondered about that. Asriel was clearly well liked by most of the population. I'm assuming it was a case of "People wanted a idol, not a friend".
>>724253752I wish I was that young and happy looking. I look like fucking Rasputin
>>724261851Frisk and Chara apparently have a lot in common.
>>724259258While I wouldn't put it past Tobert to in the end build up to elaborate themes such as these, given that it's a pattern with his earlier writing, I'll reserve judgement until the whole things is out and I see it. As it stands I'm not yet convinced. A lot of Deltarune seems to retread story beats from Undertale. There are two things I'm not particularly convinced by with your specific proposition. The first one is, that if the story's themes are truly about determinism and lack of free will, then how come you have the choice to attempt to go off the rails at all? Sure, the end destination may be similar or even the same, but that's a bit strange approach to tackling the implications of determinism. After all, wouldn't everything that happens in the game happen in the exact same way, if that was the case? I'm not only talking about the decision to engage or not engage with the weird route, or the ending, but everything else that's optional. Like the fact that you can populate the town in the dark world, but you may also not. Or that you can fight the secret bosses, getting shadow crystals from them, or you may not. It seems there are elements of the game that allow for variance in things that take place, which would go contrary to this theme of what I understand determinism to be. The second reason is that Toby already did something similar to this. It was with the Halloween Hack. Yeah, it was a long time ago, he was young when he made it, and it wasn't even a proper stand-alone game, but he has still explored such ideas. It seems like retreading ground creatively. I still think the game does want to explore something that has to do with freedom (or lack thereof) and destiny, but I'm not sure that it's through this framing.
>>724262365>that shit was asriel's most popular ship back in the dayI assumed that was Frisk and Asriel.> hell the ship is inexplicably becoming popular again (for some reason)I think it's Noelle X Kris awakening something in a lot of people.
>>724262310A part of me almost agrees with you. I think it would have been really cool to discover the weird route myself after playing the "real game" section in Chapter 3 (I'm a big sucker for elaborate secret hunts in video games), and I feel like because of the game's release schedule I've been permanently locked out of that experience. That being said, I understand Toby Fox's desire to not go back and edit previous chapters, and admittedly the threads when it was first discovered after Chapter 2 came out were really cool, and nothing like that would have happened if it was released all at once.
>>724262579gave off bad vibes or something it should also be worth noting that catti wants susie to stay away from noelle, suselletards don't ever seem to remember that, especially considering that catti seems to have taken up the role of noelle's best friend after kris drifted away
>>724262579If she really is one half of FRIEND and if FRIEND really is the main villain, then it could be just a simple case of the villain hating on the primary hero fated to oppose it.
Deltarune's ending is gonna be the Mass Effect 3 of our generation
>>724259258>they tried to fight it and became a monster.Worth it. If I have no choice then being a hero is no better than being a monster, since neither choice can mean anything.>Much like humanity cannot break free from the laws of physics that bound us all,Physics aren't nearly as deterministic as you think. There really is a lot of random spontaneous shit happening for no reason at the sub atomic level. Did you particles come into existence out of nothing millions of times a second, but are instantly cancelled out by particles of negative mass which also materialize out of nothing? Did you know that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate, and we don't know why? Or that particles will change state when observed and may exist in two states at once while not being observed?I find it perfectly believable that rewinding time could result in a completely different outcome. If everything really is fundamentally random chance (which it very well could be) then its fate that is the illusion, and not free will.
>>724262792>especially considering that catti seems to have taken up the role of noelle's best friend after kris drifted awayThat's Berdly.
>>724262795Mass Effect 3 sucked because it was lazy and rushed. Even if it's a complete mess that will at least make it interesting to discuss.
>>724259138>>724259258>>724261552You could apply this sentiment to "free will" generally, but I think Toby's intention is more specifically focused on the idea of "FREEDOM" in video games, the "freedom" that a game affords a player by offering them choices.People often praise video games as an interactive medium, which allows for a deeper level of involvement and expression, but in reality every game is defined by its rules and structure. Even in a video game you are never truly free, you can't pursue any outcome you want, you are always limited by the experience that the creator constructed for you. Your character in the game will always just be a puppet on strings.Toby touched on this idea all the way back with the Halloween Hack, where you famously have to progress at one point by refusing to make a choice when offered. But this is just a parlor trick; refusing to accept the choice is still just part of the game.Undertale progressed with this by "looking inside Schrodinger's Box," acknowledging the fact that the player can go back and make other choices and making that part of its story. Of course, when you've opened all the boxes and know every outcome, the illusion of choice is broken and meaningless. You've put yourself above the game and you can't take it back, once you know, that's it. That's all it is.Deltarune it seems will be the synthesis of these ideas. You're told from the start that your choices don't matter and that the outcome is predetermined, there's only one ending. So what will you do, with the power given to you? Can you accept your fate, or are you so determined to seize your FREEDOM that you'd crawl into the box yourself?
>>724261552It might be that the characters don't have free will because they're computer programs, while the player does because he's a real person. With the whole thing being a commentary on free will in games specifically, rather than being a commentary on free will in real life.
>>724262898berdly considers noelle his best friend, but the opposite isn't truethey really only hang out due to school related reasons, where as noelle is said to have crashed at catti's place when locked out of her house (when kris doesn't/ stopped helping her break back in)
>>724262074True, he's obviously still coping over Chara since he literally stays at her grave.
>>724236591So more or less the "Ash is in a Coma" theory.
>>724262365Being popular doesn't stop it from being problematic. Frans was THE Undertale ship but that was also extremely problematic and had multiple controversies.
>>724261328>>724261835filename
>>724248096Therapy animal.
>>724263093I don't mind the box and I never did. Whether or not I know the outcome of a choice doesn't change the fact that I made it. As long as I got to make the choice, and its the choice I wanted to make, then I'm happy. I went into Undertale already knowing the genocide and pacifist route's endings, but I still chose pacifist and I'm happy with that choice.With Deltarune, I can never be happy with the ending even if its a nominally good one because its predicated on the explicit idea that it had nothing to do with me.
>>724263449>game features hard moral choices.jpg
>>724260773I think that's the other half
>>724263093What if Deltarune is a long winded commentary on how JRPGs are mostly linear experiences with predermined stories and minimal player choice, and it presents the player the option to break that chain but at the cost of destroying the story that was laid before you because you, the player, decided it wasn't what you wantedI legit think Deltarune isn't supposed to have a groundbreaking genre defining finale, judging by Toby's commentary, it seems like a very personal story to him which he just hopes people will love it, but he's also a staunch supporter of people making up their own stories with his material
>>724263567>With Deltarune, I can never be happy with the ending even if its a nominally good one because its predicated on the explicit idea that it had nothing to do with me.They'll throw in a scene of all of the characters talking to you like mother 3.
>>724263680He lives in Japan. If he piss off his fans with subversion of tropes or only forcing Suselle, he will be killed by Yakuza paid off by the nerds
>>724229138Youre bad, get raped
>>724262579either Catti doesn't trust susie due to occult bullshit or she's pissed that Noelle wants to fuck susie and not her or the meme answer and she's hometowns ACTUAL token homophobe
>>724263883>Catti summoned a cat demon to traumatize Noelle into stop being a lesbian
>>724262794>catti and jockington make up FRIEND>FRIEND (presumably) was the one who abducted Dess>catti and jockington are around the same age as krischrist did catti kidnap dess when she was 8?
>>724263830>He gets to sit at the same table as Sakurai because he made Undertale.Toby is literally driving the dream I had as a fucking nerdy 10 year old.
>>724261758I have a feeling Undyne would be kicking and screaming until she saw Alphys walk in, and then would instantly be on board.
>>724262795Pink and Yellow will be our red/green/blue
>>724263830I need to pick up 428 at some point. I always consider it when sales are running and then I don't since I've already got a massive backlog of adventure games to play, but it looks right up my alley
>>724261390The previous chapter all but beats you over the head with the fact that, unlike Undertale, your choices do not matter in this world. You can't make any meaningful dialogue choices (half of the time you get cut off before even being able to choose your meaningless choice), you can't kill enemies, and even if you act like the biggest asshole you possibly can, you still get the same ending as the nice players. And the whole thing has a really generic fantasy adventure story going on. Chapter 2 is more of the same, except it as some subtle dark undertones with that previously mentioned schizo who keeps rambling about freedom and trying to sell you something related to it. And the weird route is your only chance in the game to make a real choice that has consequences. You completely skip most of the chapter with it and get an entirely different boss and the end.the point is freedom, at any cost.
>>724215487Women are designed to accept rape by lubricating and orgasming else the invader would tear their insides out and leave them to die. Doesn't mean it' acceptable and more importantly you'll wreck someone's mental by forcing yourself in them.
>>724264436Why would monster reproduction work like that though?
>>724263830Undertale/Deltarune Japanese fans don't care about canon ships that much.
>>724261528I don't think it can be put into words. Its something romantic, forced, and absusive, but also consensual, it involves mind control and possession, but the people involved also want it anyways. The only term that really applies is something else.
>>724264498generally speaking, dunno how it works in Toby's game. Never played any of his.
>>724253754>*covers noelle in tar*>"HIDE THE CHILDREN AND LOCK YOUR DOORS, THERE'S A NIGGER IN TOWN!!! OFFICER UNDYNE, QUICK, GRAB THE NOOSE!!!"
>>724261528>>724264573Wait, I know. in LOVE
>>724263640The deer gf is MINEKris can go cry a river
>>724261474>>724261643If I'm not misremembering Kris has the 3rd highest grades in the class after Noelle and Berdly, so she might just be letting them chill, she also has no spine so there’s that.
>>724264319>Say this>Go check game on Steam>I own it>Apparently bought it almost a year ago to the day, presumably in the Halloween saleI will revise this to say I need to play it before the dementia takes me. Just wrapped up replaying AA1 last night and haven't started AA2 yet so I guess now's a good time for some Japanese FMV shenanigans
>>724264763I'm gonna fuck that heart.
>>724262794What is this image from?
>>724264858It's from the artbook. iirc, it was really old concept art for Waterfalls.
>>724255454Ralsei isn't a person, because a person has agency. He's too much of a doormat.
>>724263148nta, but she does still consider Berdly to be a friend and really does care about him. She just also wishes he would shut the fuck up sometimes.
>>724264594>Monsters start lubcricating whne around humans because being taken as war brides and sex slaves by humans is genetically imprinted into them.Hot.
>>724264858>>724264929https://anyflip.com/yfdnw/ddjz/basicpage 26-27.
>>724263516That's a weird thing to call his brother
>>724264986Really, Berdly is the kind of person that's fun to hang out with if you can tell them to fuck off every now and then.
>>724264829>Selfcest As expected of the player
>Gerson gets sealed away with the rest of the monsters>Final thoughts are "FUCK WHAT A HOTTIE"
>>724263761But it wasn't my choice, so none of it matters. That wasn't me, that's what the world forced me to be.If Toby were a good writer he'd hammer the point home by not having the player get any thanks at the end of the normal route. Maybe they even get shafted. That's why its what I'm expecting the game to do.
>>724265128>Final thoughts are "FUCK WHAT A HOTTIE"To be fair, magician outfits are damn sexy.
>>724264025Noelle created FRIEND. It was an amalgam of cats from Cat Petterz, one of which was named after Catti.
>>724265170It's possible, but it seems unlikely.
>>724265009The fuck is happening down there?
>>724265304>Noelle created a game entity that caused her a insane amount of grieve>Ending of the weird route has Noelle herself become something similar.
>>724264929It's for Snowdin, actually.
>>724264792yeah, that's definitely a factoriirc kris is technically the second smartest because he doesn't need as much help from noelle as berdly does (although he has gotten help from noelle before based on dialogue from her)
really? in a deltarune thread of all things?shartyfags need to an hero yesterday
>>724264594Monsters are mostly made of dry dust and magic. Their bodies have very little water or physical matter content, which is why they can't do things like bleed (save for a few notable exceptions and subject to change if toby decides to do some lore reveals later). They don't have biology in the same sense that plants and animals do. We don't even know how monster children are made.They seem to reproduce sexually, and usually resemble animals visually. But who knows if that involves normal genitals, or sperm and eggs. For all we know monster children could really come from a mommy and daddy monster loving each other very much, since emotions do have a physical effect on monsters. (if you're mad at a monster and hit them, they will likely die. If they're mad enough, they can heal from damage and resist death. If they're depressed it can make them weak, and might even kill them)
>>724262653I mean, yeah. The fact they look like twins is a huge plot point in Undertale, and they have the same SOUL color.
>>724265662That fag has been spamming his garbage on plenty of threads lately. Just report it and ignore him.
>>724265662They've done this to a couple of other threads lately. They are quite spiteful about the "le quirky RPG." As always, clear your image cache.>>724265678I think in Deltarune they're all but confirmed to have blood.
>>724264954That's exactly what Susie is gonna help him fix.
>>724262713>but he has still explored such ideas. It seems like retreading ground creatively.If anything, that's more evidence that's where the story is going. Its fairly common for artists to explore the same ideas in multiple or all of their works. I mean, Deltarune already retreads a lot of ground with Undertale. I had a prevailing thought as I played through Chapter 3 that "this is like the shenanigans with Mettaton in Hotland if he had the skill and money to fully realize them.">>724263093>>724263121Being a meta commentary about video games and a commentary about real life free will are not mutually exclusive. The game explores a lot of ideas, and I think its doing both at the same time.>>724261296>>724262713>>724262801Perhaps determinism isn't quite the direction its going. I suppose we won't really know until the game is finished. But whether its determinism, fatalism, or something else entirely, I think its pretty undeniable that fate and how we conceptualize it is a intentional theme of the game. Maybe he's going in a spiritual direction, and trying to draw parallels between Kris's soul (how the player interacts with the game) and humans (which are said to have souls) can change reality. That's pretty far out, but who knows. Maybe that's the direction it will go.
>>724265789>I think in Deltarune they're all but confirmed to have blood.Susie literally bleeds after punching glass lol
>>724265382>Noelle tormented her pets whenever they fell in love>Her sister gets taken by FRIEND after she falls in love with Asriel>Weird route has her fall in LOVE with Kris and (you)
>>724265009could you make a high quality capture of the whole thing and post it here. Would be good for future use.
>>724263567>With Deltarune, I can never be happy with the ending even if its a nominally good one because its predicated on the explicit idea that it had nothing to do with me.How do you figure? We've gotten every indication from the start that none of this can happen without (You).>>724263680>What if Deltarune is a long winded commentary on how JRPGs are mostly linear experiences with predermined stories and minimal player choiceYou're not getting it. It's not about RPGs, all games are limited like this. You're not more "free" in one kind of game than another, you only ever play by the rules of the game and make the choices that the game offers you.>and it presents the player the option to break that chainSee? It's not your choice, it's a choice being offered to you. You can't "break free" of the story when that itself is part of the story. The game can only ever give you the illusion of choice.
>>724265336cave paintings of various monsters and the triangle portion of the Delta Rune on the right.
>>724265789>I think in Deltarune they're all but confirmed to have blood.Wasn't the variable for Noelle's red dot named something that implied it was literally blood?
>>724258142I suddenly realize the world needs the Rex harem pic, but with rex replaced by kris, having gotten Noelle, Susie, and Ralsei pregnant.
>>724265789>>724265979I still think that's Susie being special. Maybe she's half human, maybe she has really high DT, maybe they'll reveal something else. Or if Toby wants to be silly he'll say its red church juice.
>>724266370i think /utg/ still has it up for download on their op.
>>724266523Yeah, but that's the same scene where she grows a red flower and bunch of thorns on her finger. It could just be a visual metaphor instead of actual blood. Or it could be something to do with (you). It is the exact same color as (you) after all.
>>724240302Depends on the room, if you live in a studio or just have a fuckhuge room, a couch near your bed can make sense.
>>724266647There's cut dialogue at the church telling Noelle that somebody would drink her blood. That doesn't make sense if Noelle doesn't have blood, does it?
>>724266862wait what. can you post the exact line?
>>724248828I dunno, something like "how far would you go to have agency in an otherwise linear video game?"
>>724265924If you've ever seen Monument Mythos, there's a sub plot about a cult of people who believe in determinism that worship a being from another universe because its the only thing in existence with free will, due to it having an entirely independent origin from everyone else in the universe, completely separate from the same physics and the starting state of the big bang.The player could be like that. A single entity with free will in a world without it, brought in and viewed like a god by some for its unnatural power of self determination.
>>724259563how about you deconstruct your life through the lens of a noose
>>724267030Sounds like something that would happen in Adventure Time.
>>724259138>>724259258the universe being deterministic is a (very unpopular) theorythe universe is most likely probabilisticand we do have free will, but it's limitednow stop being pessimistic, materialistic and nihilistic in MY FUARKING DELTARUNE THREAD Kill yourself
>>724266428>We've gotten every indication from the start that none of this can happen without (You).But I have no say in any of it. The only choice I'm given is to turn off the game. Everything else is completely against my will. I'm like the conductor of a train on a straight track. I can't decide where it will go or what route to take, I'm just moving it along the set path as I was pre-ordained to do.
>>724266428>The game can only ever give you the illusion of choice. limited choices are still choices. Maybe you could say that isn't freedom, but that is a real choice.
>>724266523Monsters have blood in Deltarune.Remember at the start of Chapter 4 when Susie awkwardly approaches Noelle talking about how the red juice is like blood? The punchline for that was supposed to be "Susie's going to drink Noelle's blood," but they cut it because it kind of spoils the big dramatic moment of Susie bleeding at the end of the Chapter.The red dot that Kris sees when they think of Noelle in the weird route is Noelle's finger bleeding after you made them stick the thorn back in her.
>>724266862First of all, it was cut, that may have been why. Second of all, this was said by Kris (blood haver) about Susie (also known blood haver). Even if Kris knows Noelle doesn't have blood, he may have still said it out of force of habit or to be funny
It's weird how I encountered several fanfics and artwork stories where Noelle is a vampire or Kris is a vampire.
>>724265662I hate how many criminals and schizos are in this site.
>>724249343Yagi theory is fucking dumb>OOOH SWEET CAP'N CAKES? YEAH THAT WAS PUT IT IN AS A SECRET HINT BY TONY BONKS TO CONFIRM IT BECAUSE LIKE NOBODY KNOWS THIS BUT THERE'S A STRONG BAD EMAIL BY A SEB OOH BUT YOU CAN'T PROVE THIS ISN'T TRUE BECAUSE NOBODY CAN LOOK UP THINGS AND YAGI WAS THE ONLY ONE IN HIS FRIEND GROUP WHO KNOWS WHAT A FAHWHOKWAGADS IS.Nonsense
>>724267316But then why does bunny kid act like Kris having blood is special?Those things could have other explanations. The dot could be metaphorical, it could be (you). Susie's blood could be special to her, it could be juice, could be something else.
>>724267316>Noelle's finger>finger
>>724267507Bloodplay is a popular thing with them
>do i remove the SOUL to drink some chocomilk? yep, but for Noelle? nah bruhrespectable ngl
>>724267597given that toby seemed to have wanted to keep susie bleed a surprise, or at least wait for a dramatic moment, i don't think he wants people to look into the bunny kid's comments too hardespecially considering susie says 'everybody bleeds' all the way back in ch1, which also disproves the juice theory for her
>>724267681I like this comic since I have a mild vore fetish and the idea of Noelle secretly wanting to eat kris is hot.
>>724267523I wouldn't mind it at all if the main guy proposing this wasn't an unironic schizo stalker and a threadshitter.
>>724267884By "this" I mean yagislop.
>>724267597>Lancer has a bucket for blood (nobody corrects him that monsters don't have blood)>Susie mentioning blood on multiple occasions>Cut dialogue implying that Noelle has blood>Bleeding iconography associated with Noelle in the Weird Route>Susie actually bleeding"But oh no, one NPC kid made an offhand comment way back in Chapter 1"
>>724267805I'm convinced he doesn't want to give the game away that we exist and are controlling him.Not sure why yet, but it's important enough to sit back and accept doe dicking over.
>>724267814>i don't think he wants people to look into the bunny kid's comments too hardWhy put it in then? If he intended the blood thing to be important, why have contradictory evidence presented in the game before the supporting evidence?>especially considering susie says 'everybody bleeds' all the way back in ch1, which also disproves the juice theory for herI still think it could just as easily be that Susie is special. This is the same theory I've been on since chapter 1.
>>724267998It's because he doesn't want to explain that he's working with Dess because he understands Noelle would actually hate him if he did that.
>>724267998doesn't he all but tell noelle that (you) are nearby right before that?if the aborted weird route does anything, i assume kris gave noelle a very fast and brief warning after he sprints out of the room with her
>>724267998Knight plot is more important to Kris than anything in his life, including family and friends.
>>724267203>The only choice I'm given is to turn off the game.>I can't decide where it will go or what route to takeThat's not true at all. Deltarune gives you plenty of opportunities to make choices. Whether or not you value the smaller choices and diversions, there's certainly at least one major significant story branch you can go down.But the choices you make will always lead you to the same predetermined outcomes. And that isn't any different than in Undertale.>>724267285A game is a machine that can only do what it was built to do. You can only pull the levers that the machine was built with. The output of the machine will never change when given the same input.It's not wrong to find satisfaction in pulling the levers, as with Undertale it was never saying that "you're bad and wrong for playing video games," it's just another way to examine why you're pulling the levers and why the creator built the machine.
>>724268342He really does want to fuck Dess, doesn't he?
>>724267964>Lancer has a bucket for blood (nobody corrects him that monsters don't have blood)Darkners aren't monsters and do actually have blood (seen when you kill one). He was also talking to a human, a darkner, and the only monster confirmed to bleed. And lastly he is canonically stupid.>Susie mentioning blood on multiple occasionsShe is a special case. It could very well be that part of her special status includes having blood.>Cut dialogue implying that Noelle has bloodThat was a joke by Kris, and it was cut. >Bleeding iconography associated with Noelle in the Weird RouteIts just that, iconography. Unless you want to say noelle really grew a rose on her finger after being (not) raped.>Susie actually bleedingas I said previously, she's a special case
>>724267884Shut the fuck up you /vg/ reject you're worse than them and you're in no position to complain about "stalking" when you tried to phish him.
>>724267998Other characters are invested in maintaining kayfabe but Kris abandoned any pretense of giving a fuck when they ripped us out of their chest
>>724260616Not if I modify the game to explicitly use the proper sex for the character that I'm playing, dw it'll only take a few days after the chapter 5 release to fix any dev mistakes ;^)
>>724268158yeah, he keeps the details to the minimum, honestly he should have gave her better instructions lmao
i need susie to ride the fuck outta me so bad bros...
>>724268410I guess it can go either way until it is confirmed, but the preponderance of evidence is in favor of monsters being more biologically grounded. We won't really know until we see another monster getting seriously hurt, which is likely considering the direction the game is taking.
>>724268497That's exactly what I am talking about. You keep bringing irrelevant off-site drama and accusing everyone of being your boyfriend.
>>724268534kris was probably panicking, he had to both maintain the facade that noelle was going to be fine while also telling her that there was bad shit going on without actually telling her anything, and he had to do it fast before (you) showed upand this is also happening while noelle is falling head over heels for him and is thinking this is a very romantic moment for the two of them as their fix their relationship, finally
>>724268391>Whether or not you value the smaller choices and diversions, there's certainly at least one major significant story branch you can go down.I've yet to see it.>But the choices you make will always lead you to the same predetermined outcomes. And that isn't any different than in UndertaleOutcomes which I am given a choice between. There is only one outcome here, so there is no choice.>A game is a machine that can only do what it was built to do. You can only pull the levers that the machine was built with. The output of the machine will never change when given the same input.that doesn't invalidate my choice. If I go to a vending machine that sells coke and sprite, and I decide to buy sprite, that doesn't make me choosing to buy sprite not a choice. It is a real choice, even if its from a limited set of options, and even if making that same choice will always have the same outcome. As long as there are at least two possible outcomes, it is a choice.
>>724268787Kris should have just jumped on her and gave her a deep passionate kiss or started fingering her.
>>724268404This is why the molested theory still stands.
>>724268860>"You don't understand, Susie.">"She didn't molest me, it was true love!">"She was always caring and gentle. Making me feel so happy in the afterglow, even if I didn't understand it.">"And... She always told me that once I was old enough we would run away together and get married.">"I can't go back... I just can't.
>>724268858>actually kissing her would have saved her because she wouldn't speaktragic kino
>>724268667We still know that they turn to dust like in Undertale, and that the reason they turned to dust in Undertale was because they had no water in their bodies. And we have that kid talking like DR monsters have the same biology as UT monsters.This preponderance of evidence seems to me to point in every direction but monsters having blood. Everything that you read as supporting your position could just as easily be read as supporting my position.I'm not even saying that they don't bleed, just that we can't say for certain that they do yet.
>>724268681Nigger no my problem is that the yagi fags are retarded and you decided to be worse because you can't help but blurt out stupid /vg/ terminology like "threadshitting" or getting mad in the exact same way it gets brought up making it worse.
>>724268858>kissing Noelle would have appeased her and (you) while also maintaining the secrecy and preventing any escalation of the mind breaklmao
>>724268790So basically you're making the assumption that the ending of Deltarune will be exactly the same no matter what choices you make, and therefore nothing mattersDespite the existence of the Weird RouteAnd you at the same time are adamantly insisting on the value of making any choice at all, even one that's completely known and predictable, despite completing writing off all of the many smaller choices and outcomes within Deltarune's story so far, including the death of several charactersAm I getting that right?
>>724268983is this from something?
>>724268858>>724268985>>724269124i'm not a krisselle guy but this is pretty good shit
>>724269037You are the yagifag, dude. You are not fooling anyone, especially when you expose yourself by also knowing what /vg/ terminology even is. I didn't even know "threadshitting" is /vg/ exclusive.
>>724268983Yep, this is KINO.
>>724269245In fact, that term has been used on /v/ since 2015.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/Threadshitting/page/8/
>>724269206I found one fic with this premise and it was a non binary Kris, sadly.
>>724269245Nigger the only reason you'd CALL someone a "threadshitter" is because you're from /vg/. That terminology doesn't exist here, which is why everyone calls you a faggot or a nigger.
Weird Route will not break the prophecy. Nothing can break the prophecy.
>>724269591It exists for a decade on /v/, /vg/fag>>724269449
>>724269189>So basically you're making the assumption that the ending of Deltarune will be exactly the same no matter what choices you make, and therefore nothing mattersYes. Toby said there will be only one ending, and he's said it over and over again.>Despite the existence of the Weird RouteThe exception that proves the rule. Its the only real choice in the game because its you breaking the story and ruining everything just to make one real choice (yes I know the weird route is also pre programmed, but its framed in universe as (you) breaking the prohpecy's neat little world for some real choice). It only works if the normal route lacks any choice.>despite completing writing off all of the many smaller choices and outcomes within Deltarune's story so far, including the death of several charactersCharacters who get written out of the story shortly after their deaths anyways, characters who don't really exist, characters who are framed as not really mattering alongside the entire world they live in. The only thing they do have is sentiment, which isn't enough for me. I need consequence. Tenna living or dying means nothing since he has to go to Mettaton's house eventually, and even if he somehow didn't, the most he'd get is a minute long scene in an optional areas between chapters.What I need is to change the ending. The game has framed everything in such a way that the ending is all that matters to me anymore.
>>724269653I'll make my own damn ending if it comes to it.
>>724269653It's a softlock, actually.
It's such a shame that the current /v/ archive only goes up to 2015. Because I'm like 99% sure I saw people using the term threadshitting all the way back on 2011
>>724270035The fucking yagifag is an unironic /vg/ tourist that thinks the term is exclusive to /vg/. He unironically projects all his traits into his boogeyman nemesis.
>>724269723Nigger in the archive search for "threadshitter" YOU LINKED there's like a dozen posts of what's obviously you whining about the same shit over and over and pretending not to know what's going on on /vg/.You know what happens when you tick /vg/ as a searched board in addition to /v/ on that search?You go from 98 results of mostly you to TWO THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED AND FUCKING FORTY NINE.This not even being necessary because those fucking Yagi fags already identified you with the same autism they already were up with.
yagifag is a dirty pedophile
>>724270035There are older archives, but they are a pain in the ass to search throughhttps://archive.org/details/4chan_threads_archive_10_billion
>>724270307>Obsessed with some random kid and stalks him to "talk" with himMost likely.
>>724270294YOU LINKED AN ARCHIVE YOU FUCKING RETARD. ANYONE CAN LOOK UP AND SEE NOBODY ON /vg/ TALKS ABOUT THAT STUPID FAGGOTHOW ARE YOU THIS FUCKING RETARDED?
>>724270304Only around 10 out of 179 across a decade are from Undertale threads. You lame lowcow.
why can't you people be normal
