Grand Finals is here.STARCRAFT: BROOD WARASL SEASON 20Who will win????soma (Z) vs SnOw (P)Korean livestream: https://play.sooplive.co.kr/afstar1English livestream: https://www.sooplive.com/sctvenSpanish livestream: https://www.sooplive.com/sctvespoficialJapanese livestream: https://www.sooplive.com/sctimesLiquipedia page:https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/ASL/20
ODDS = SNOW VICTORYEVENS = SOMA VICTORY
LETS FUCKING GO
Will soma maek hydra?
AAAAAAAAAAA I'M BOOSTING!!!!!
GG FUCK PROTOSS FUCK ZERG. SHOULD HAVE BEEN TERRAN REEEE
>>724217434as surely as snow will maek riiiibaaa
...
Have fun guys. I'm going to watch Tastosis.
>>724217434>I MAEK HYDAR?!?!? >OH WAEIT I MAEK MUTAES?!?!?>HEHEHHE LUEKAERS NAO?!it's all so tiresome bros...
CAMON SNOWERMAEK SOM FOKKEN RIBBAS
SHOULDERS STATUS: COVERED
>>724217692How old is she? Must have no eggs left
If you root for Soma instead of Snow you have no soul
literally rigged
Want Soma to win, but Snow has this.Soma kind of struggled against Bisu and Snow looks in better shape.
>maybe 100 spectators inside a shopping mall storefrontHow far things have fallen. There may be 12k viewers in the korean stream but the magic is gone.
>>724217973Real life is fake and gay now. The internet is real.
If you guys are still starved for Starcraft after today, watch this. A nice long game between Flash and Larva on Roaring Currents.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j06w7FDqIY
funny how different their vibes are
Sorry Snow you may deserve a win but Toss fans do not. Go Soma!
>>724218028After today's matches, I'm gonna boot up my Saturn emulator and play Virtua Cop, thank you very much.
>>724218364>playing lightgun game on an emulator
>30 minutes of stalling just in case it's a 4-0 blowout
>>724218423Obviously it's inferior to an actual arcade cabinet, but the emulator devs have managed to program the software to understand mouse inputs as light gun inputs. So it's not a bad way to play.
>>724218468I hope it's four busts in a row.
>>724218503Even Caster Park can't hype that up if it happens.
Snow will win, zergies will lose
>>724218529Hydra busts are PEAK hype. Ultra instinct. National Geographic stuff.
Soma will lose patience and waste mutas and get grinded down by reavers. 4-2 Snow
>Roaring Kino game 1based
MAEK will win
>Roaring Currents game 1Oh fuck YES~~~!!!!!
>>724218730LITERALLY true.
>Z favored map firstit's over tossers
>>724218723Of course snow picks the map where reaver is most viable
>>724218732I'm ready for the queens
Snow will choke as usual. Calling a 4 - 2 Soma win
Let's go SomaBalls
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>>724218906What's backy?
>Inb4 carriers
I have foreseen it; a scout will shoot down a queen on map 1
Soma: not maeking.Snow: not maeking.
>>724218943
Soma is one greedy mf
>>724219074you cannot MAEK on roaring currents, the map does not favor you if you run over to the other side
Soma is greeding like crazy
>kinda want to play broodwar again>remember it's full of peruvians >don't want to play broodwar again
>sair reaverbased
In TvZ, you're not supposed to use ghost with cloaking but as a bursty combat unit that repels small designated units. Perfect for repelling lings, scourges, mutalisks, and sniping the drone line. a squad of 2 or 3 is perfect for supporting M&M teams.
>>724219180no
>>724219207aight im mad.
>>724219180You use him for nukes if zerg turtles with like +10 sunkens
>>724219254fuck off chatgpt
>>724219180t. anon who only played SC2
cape boys
INVISIBLE MAN
>>724219254I think ghosts are cool, they are objectively bad units though. The investment required for such a fragile, late game risky benefit is just too much. Sorry.
Soma will lose. He's too allergic to getting the hive
abun boribas :DDD:D:D:D
>s0ma>s(0-1)ma
the absolute state of that drop
HOly fuck that was a failed drop
how?
This map is so based. Every engagement looks like something you'd see on the box art for the game.
wtf was that lmao
It's over
>drobes killed a lurkerlmao
nvm he turned around
>>724219434We need arbiters for the true god tier islands endgame>b-but recall is shitBetter than having to spend 20 supply on shuttles>but scourge can eat arbitersHallucination nigga>but pros with 500 apm can't fit that in Get better
>>724219517it's barely even begun, we're about 50% of the way into this match
>>724219517
What would happen if somebody MC'd a drone or SCV in a pro game? The observer overlay doesn't have space for a 2nd race's supply count. Has anyone ever thought of this in the past 30 years?
hero templar
Protoss ground 1/2 meme needs to end, they need 2/1 so fucking fast it's not funny.
>forgets about the archon until it's over kek
CAM ON SNOW, KILL SOME FAKKING DROBES
Okay but where are the reavers
Snow build some cannons and shield batteries
>>724219764Yeah just fly the reavers into the swarms of scourge flying all over the map wtf
snow control is literally dogshit holy shit what are those storms lmao
>>724219829reavers can't even fly
sn (0-1) w
200/200 vs 200/200Fucking kino.
>keep getting fucked by mutas>refuse to build dark archons>refuse to do anything>lose because you're now 7 vs 4 bases and nothing you can do will matterI'm thinking it's a soma 4-0 or 4-1 with one game being caped
>200/200 zerg
Soma's strategy seems to be starving Snow and never attacking. Snowing snow?
Archons are immune to plague, heh, am I clever or what?
>>724219867You remind me, I almost never see SnOw build Dark Archons. Has he ever? In a pro ASL game?
>>724219897AND guardians, it's fucking over for unc toss
>>724219865>both players afraid to attack each other because you literally can't aggress into enemy territory because you die on the way inYeah, I'll say it: this map sucks. Islands are cringe and encourage players to just turtle up and suck up resources for the entire game because it's hard to break them.
literally impossible for any race to fight Z on island mapliterally impossibleevery terran and protoss just get steamrolled
>>724219952I mean snow didn't even try, what the fuck do you expect at least challenge some of the islands
its over
>>724220021literally howyou can't beat zerg ground with shuttles, you'd need like a dozen of them
HALU SHUTTLES
>>724219952He had a timing to get something done but he fucking turned around
>>724219906Alright, this is definitely it.
Kino
bisu put up a better fight in this map than snow ever did. no reavers, useless snow. exposed.
YIKES
IT WAS HALLU
>>724220075You are right, just turtle and die.
u realize most of that army was halluc LOL
kino game
Snow picked this map with some kind of plan to win it. What plan was that?
psionic storm, where is it?
>map literally made for carriers to dominate>toss never goes carriersexplain this
>>724220148>dude shuttles lmao
He's going to get the shuttles and strand his army over there
yeah it's over
>>724220095>>724220121based
>>724220161Carrier cost 350/300Scourge are free
Snow has a solid 50 supply sitting at an island doing nothing
Okay it's over now
>Aiur reenactment
It's a slow death. Expected for a Z favored turtle map. Just gg and go next
hmm minerals
>ramp stormFilthy.
>>724220245imagine if he built a single arbiter and recalled them instead of throwing away 3k/4k to six guardians>BUT ARBITERS ARE BAAAADD I MUST ADHERE TO META ON A NONMETA MAP
Flash knows he can take these guys
actually soma doesn't have that much minerals left either
>zealots getting puked on by guardians
CRABS
>>724220281>arbies>when soma has been instantly reacting to every single shuttle flying in with swarms of scourgelol
>>724219906>>724220093For those who don't know: you need to be ICE COLD to do this as Zerg. SUB-ZERO!
SCREAMING KINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Honestly I'll miss screaming sea
yeah this was the last ASL that I'm watchingZ solved the gamenot interested in another ASL of complete Z steamroll
>>724220346this may be a shock to every single pro player in existencebut recall can actually be used defensively to recall armies back to your base from an overextended positionit's right there in the name, in fact
>last ASL match for Roaring Currentswas it a good map?
Zerg Superiority
>>724220125fuck off
>>724220390that was a meme island map anon
>>724220396Snow's problem was not defense this game. Arbies would not have helped him aggress into islands because the Arby would not make it to the island.
its really over
>no recall>no stasis>no dweb???
haven't watched much bw before, i like these commentators
>>724220398honestly yes, it led to some very fun matches and island maps are kinobut more maps need to find ways to slow down gas accumulation, zerg benefits way too much from every map being a free 2gas which leads into mutas EVERY FUCKING GAME
>>724220415Non-island maps and maps with unbuildable terrain everywhere are the real memes
>>724220447What do you mean storm isn't enough to win every match?
Why doesn't Snow ever make dark archons? Why does Soma always puts off defiler for so fucking long?
>>724220148>Snow picked this map with some kind of plan to win it. What plan was that?Probably expected to get something done with the reavers.
>>724220415>>724220390Don't kid yourself, Soma completely outplayed Snow , what is the retard going to do? >muh 2 shuttle>muh 2 micro shuttle with le reaver>my artritis nooo muh shuttlesfuck off, soma was literally protecting like 5 different locations and counter attacking, mind you this is how Snow wanted to play the map (because hes old, and a bad player, mostly a bad player)
>>724220398For viewers, sure. Most of the best games this season were on this map.
>>724217610The absolute state of these geriatrics
Snow had 100 less APM than Soma the entire game is that him being ass or protoss being babby mode?
>>724220398Yes absolutely, the worst maps are always the best
>>724220595Protoss is babby mode. Lowest APM requirement vs highest in this matchup.
So when Soma 4-0s Snow will we just finally be able to remove the entire Protoss race from the game since they're irrelevant?
>Starcraft 3First I've heard of it
>>724220524he didnt really need it, in island maps air superiority matters more. zealots also fuck zerg under swarm
>>724220628same
>>724220595>Snow had 100 less APM than Soma the entire game is that him being ass or protoss being babby mode?Snow being ass.
>>724220628ignore these confused commentators there is no sc3.
>>724220628It's Nexon, don't hold your breath for anything good, even the latest command and conquer is a better tribute to its series than those soulless corporate raiders could manage
>>724220628why would they make a Starcraft 3 when even Starcraft 2 doesn't exist yet?
>>724220681impressive
>>724220628not made by blizzard and probably mobile
>>724220640I mean in general from the games I've been watching of him, not this one in specific. Plague is god tier vs Toss
>>724220681
>>724220681They got ASL trading cards over there? based
>>724220723Lets be real you wouldn't trust Blizzard to make a new SC
>>724220725If you're fighting a ground army, I think ensnare is honestly better than plague
Pros dunking on Snowhttps://youtu.be/hM1Z54eOZv0?si=Ji1IT3taYiex9fBr
Honestly on such map toss should just go full ground and push
>>724220762I would trust literally nobody to make the next Starcraft because the genre is dead and the people still interested in developing it are has-beens and utter hacks as evidenced by Stormgate
>>724220723>Blue Archive devs make a Starcraft gachaIt's so over...
>>724220801>if you look at it from basics, SnOw isn't progamer level at allI agree. B-teamer era broodwar is kinda scuffed
>>724220784Yeah, queens are 100% more powerful than defilers on that map simply because they can fly and ensnare fucks shuttles, reveals observers, and they can also parasite carriers.
>>724220524Getting a Dark Archon plus maelstrom isn't cheap and will require a fair bit of extra micro to get any value out of. Snow clearly doesn't think it's worthwhile.Teching to defiler requires investing a fair amount of resources and time to be stronger later and if that means taking your foot off their throat with fewer units in the short term it's not necessarily worthwhile.
>>724217610How the mighty have fallen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESO0HMAmwCI>>724217692lmao, she doesnt care for either of the finalists. She only dresses provocatively when she can get some of that sweet dong/bisu
>>724220815What will be the next evolution of the top down dude clicker? People continue to innovate in the first person shooter space, but ever since the ASSFAGGOTS plague there's been little change to the games made in this vein, apart from Factorio I guess
Soma going 9 hatch.
>>724217610>>724220947Pain peko
>overpoolit's LITERALLY over
>>724220947Don't be silly, she wants Mong, everyone wants Mong
>first three zealots kill 1 (one) droneit's genuinely overrevising my statement, going to be a 4-0
>I will lose those lots anyway>Instead of going all in on drones I will pull 2-3 of em to fight lings
good old maek hydra, nothing beats that
Hydra status: maed
MAEKWIN
Corsairs should be able to shoot down and Scout should be removed from the game, thoughts?
BAGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!!!!
SOMAISBACKY
maek hydra
ffs it will be a 4-0SC is done, zergniggers will win every ASL from now onhobby status = ruined
Somaaa
>do nothing all game >make a dozen hydras>win
LOL HYDRA BUSTLOLTOSS
snow is so fucking bad it's unreal lol, easy 4-0 for zerg bros
2-0SnOwbros.......
Poor thing
Using scouts would unironically be better if Protoss wants to have an Air Force
>get a full scout of zerg base>see the most obvious hydra boost tells>reluctantly build one canonwhy are tosstards like this
Protoss fan tears are gonna be so delicious
>>724221284>his archnemesis Sulky gets knocked out early>THIS IS THE ONE>Soma wrecks his face insteadPoor Snow
Soma sacrificing Snow's kid at the end of the tournament soon
>>724221357Scouts are LITEARLLY the worst unit in the game by far. Workers do more dps than them.
>SnOw denied yet another ASL championship for like the 7th time
Hydra busts only work when the protoss player is greedy, they will cut as many corners as possible and then die as they try to warp in cannons at the last moment.
save us from the zerg menace master flash.
>>724221391Corsairs don't do enough. There's zero threat from them as Zerg busts That's military Protoss needs for other things, like not dying
>>724221391Infested Terran, actually.
Tossers were so hopeful when so many Ps made it to later rounds only to have another Zerg wins again lmao. Completely deserved
it's over.. the blue jays had a nice run, but they can't stop the dodgers
>lose all the zealots>no mistakes?
>>724221439sairs at least threaten Zerg with supply block, I agree that toss needs to re-evaluate how many they try to slam into Z early game most of the time though>>724221442Don't count because they're a meme unit
FUCK kpoop
Protoss will take a championship when Rain stops playing league of legends and takes brood war seriouslyso never
Yes, actually StarCraft invented celebrity, what an excellent take
>>724217610H_________ R_____
>>724221540Scouts do that too. They can help when hydras are knocking
>>724221595Asckshuallly, Hideo invented celebrities
>>724221629Dont scouts take full damage from hydras?
>>724221595didn't you know boxer was the first k-pop star?
CRAKKKAS
>>724221656
>>724221408Protoss got too used to abusing Terrans with shuttle-reaver, so playing defensively doesn’t even cross their minds.
>>724221691you know what, i can actually see it
>>724221559Mini winning it again is more likely imo.
Nice ramp block you have there tossbabs:^)
OWARI DA
>5 lings in mainLOL
>it's the "protoss fails at a basic mechanic check and fucking dies" episode again
>6 lings in the main
All that lost mining time. It's over.
Remove toss from the game. There is not 1 impressive toss player in the top tiers. Sn0w is a joke, Mini was a fluke, Bisu needs to retire to his e-whore harem.
maek zealot
This fucking match
snow bros we are back
>>724221840>mfw rapid solo cast
>>724221919Bestchads, we got this next season
>actually making cannons in advanceH-HE'S LEARNING!
It's overHydras have been maek'd
>>724222001>dexfags
SNOW EXPOSED
>>724222001very impressive, most protoss players would combust at this speed
MAEK
>>724222001holding H to maek counts as 1000 actions every frame
crazy that the solution to the entire game is literally MAEK HYDRA
>>724221919Mini can genuinely be a good player. It's just that his builds tend to walk such a fine line that either everything happens according to keikaku and he destroys his opponent or a minute detail of his his plan fails and he looks like an idiot.
Snow status: meltingSoma status: imbibed and dreaming
>storming your own sairsGod tier micro player according to shitosis btw.
WE'RE BACK SNOWBROS
There is hope
It isn't a 4-0
Thank God for the script
Perhaps a bit too indecisive from soma?
congratulations Soma for winning ASL20 with a 4-1
Should have maed hydra
>maek cannon in advance (the first player to do so in the entire tournament)>winProdoss players, take notes
Bookies wanted the 4-1
>Tasteless stans in the crowd
NIGGA ENTARO ADUN
>nazi mapwhoever wins is a chud
>>724222301ayyy no my eyes nooo noooo IM MELTING
>>724222228>Akanesasu stickersIs there a gallery I can download them from? Give me all of 'em.
>map is literally a friendship windmill called /pol/star>ZvP = communist bugs v faggot hippie treehuggers
>NAZI MAPOF COURSE THE ONE TRUE RACE WILL WIN
Uhhhhmaek ling?
>meak zergling>not instantly win the gamewtf Blizzard zerg needs buffs
>>724222363Sure, here you go.Sourcehttps://store.line.me/stickershop/product/5397140/DLhttps://gofile.io/d/3RkOfF
>SnOwp
>premake cannons again>win a second gamethis is literally cheating
>>724222548Oh my God thanks 1000 times overI can't believe I've never saved these
>>724222301>/pol/ star>literal swastika
>MAEK HYADARY?!?!?!?
oh shit he maek'd again
lmao
>make a spire>just kidding make 30 hydras>you have a window of 10 seconds to notice hydra switch and make 15 cannonscomplete bullshit
UHHHHHHHHUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHH
Maek hydra, it's that simple
There are fuckloads of maed Hydras coming across the map. Two cannons should be enough, right?
Please note, faggots: the hydra bust is actually a multi-faceted build. Among THE most varied builds in the game, as a matter of fact.
>lose zealots>get busted again
Busted ass bust
Yeah it's over
Great series
It's Snowver
>>724222683there's no switch, zerg always gets a spire, there's no surprise
>>724222683What's Zerg going to do? NOT maek hydras? When has that ever happened?
>>724222741kek
Remove toss from game, they don't matter anymore. Hydra > literally the entire Protoss race.
Imagine the thinkpieces that will be coming out about Zerg being imba because it's not just soulkey skill
If only barracks was here, he wouldve given us some good games.
>>724222764>What's Zerg going to do? NOT maek hydras? When has that ever happened?They maek muta and completely circumvent the cannons in the P natural.
soma status: BACKY
>>724222867Just attackmove mutas into main base. We had a game like that in the semi finals.
Clearly the answer to maek hydra is maek goon
>>724222867That's theoretical at this point. It's like expecting Terran to mass firebats. It does rape your ling defiler, but why would they do that?
Protossers deserve all the humiliation coming their way
I'm sad to see zerg win AGAIN and sad to see snow lose AGAIN, but at least it's soma. He deserves it for developing the metagame for years in addition to being a top player
Reminder that we are never getting another good RTS, ever. And unlike Quakefags people actually played the games.
>>724222707That cat portrays the inner turmoil of a Toss player facing off against a Zerg who is MAEKing hydras.
>>724222917>no more slop to consoomoh nyoo
>>724222917The world has moved past the need for more RTS games. RTS players would just play the RTS they already have.
AYO HOL UP *makes nexus*AYO SO YOU BE SAYING *licks Korean BBQ grease from fingers*LEMEE GET DIS STRAIGHT *makes probes*YOU'S SUPPOSED TO UHH *scouts hydras*UURRHHMMM *smacks lips*SUMM SORRTAA *makes no army units*YOU'S SUPPOSED TO LIKE *gets hydra busted again*BEAT DIS SHEEIITT???!? *ggs*
pootoss in absolute shambles
>>724222990>licks Korean BBQ grease from fingersI literally just ate Korean BBQ at one of those Korean grill restaurants yesterday with my family. It was really nice tbqh. I liked the food.
Protossisters... We're so stacked. This has to be our championship right? No way we can possibly fuck this up right?
>>724222989I hate Dota and LoL so much it's unreal.
>snoy lost 3 finals in all of ASLwill he ever win 1. an newcomer to the scene soma will win before he ever does.and shuttle can forever grief him by saying he never won asl while shuttle did
>>724222917we dont need another RTS though. Starcraft is 27 years old and the meta keeps evolving, there are still many underused things you can do (most spells), we can just play Starcraft forever
>>724223039Korean food is really fun
REVERSE SWEEP INCOMINGNON-BELIEVERS WILL GET BTFOFAGGOTY SNOW-HATERS WILL GET BLOWN THE FUCK OUTTHIS IS HIS YEAR
>>724222906>That's theoretical at this point. It's like expecting Terran to mass firebats. It does rape your ling defiler, but why would they do that?They make mutas almost every game. They would probably make more if the P at this level put down 16 cannons at the natural to preempt a hydra bust but they don't except when Bisu had to blind guess and then got muta'd.
>>724217194>firefox throws up a firewallHuh?
>>724223142Tell me how he plans on winning
tossbros.... it's not looking good.....
>>724223057I don't follow this game, but have always heard that P is for low apm scrubs that doesn't hold up at top level, but what's up w Terran? Why is there only one rep for it?
Soma's literally been consistently beating Flash on the ladder these past days(with no reason to train ZvT since he's been up against all toss on asl). He's that good.Zerg isn't imbalanced, it just has the best players
>>724223198All he needs to do is not die to the inevitable hydra bust
>>724223187You're right, much better to make 2 cannons and then die to hydras while the rest are warping in
>>724222990i want crave yakiniku now, why u do this
>>724223228Terran is the hard (and honorable) race for hard (and honorable) men
>>724223228Fluke. Terran consistently make up the majority of asl ro16 lineup
>>724223198
>>724222917You may not believe me, but a healthy RTS depends on a healthy Command & Conquer series. Even if you don't like the way C&C plays. Because C&C is one of those franchises that the industry really pays attention to; from players to journos to other companies. A new C&C game that is well-received will revitalise the genre.
i'm glad i missed this, i knew soma would winbest and bisu had a better chance of beating soma than snow, he just doesn't play a style that could win here
>pour one out for this fucking loser called SnOwSavage burn from the cast
>>724223228Rush and Light got upset and Flash is a nigger.
Best worker unit - ProbeBest melee unit - ZerglingBest ranged unit - VultureBest stealth unit - LurkerBest air unit - MutaliskBest detector - OverlordBest dropship - OverlordBest spellcaster - DefilerBest building - Nydus Canal Best BM unit - Infested TerranConclusion: Zerg imba
>>724223228racist maps
9 pool vs Nexus firstIt's fucking OVER
>>724223228For the bottom 99% protoss is the strongest. For the top 100 players protoss is fine, for the top 8 players protoss struggles. Terran performs well, although this season they did poorly. If they continue to struggle they can easily bring them back by adjusting maps. Zerg is dominant right not because SK was willing and able to grind hard and get 4 wins.The problem right now is that snow is strong against terran, not zerg. All he can hope for is that the money makes its way to soma's bank account before he's finished.
>>724223515Okay scratch that, SnOw managed to avoid disaster
>>724223515He's making cannons early
reverse sweep is coming bros...
I can't bring myself to believe in this idiot just to see him lose to another telegraphed hydra bust
let me guess, he will lose the zealots and then act surprised when hydras show up
>>724223407C&C2 and AOE5 are both realistic options.
He's making cannons now, surely he has learned.
oh shit he's gaming
HE MADE CANNONS
>Saw 1 hydra>Instantly starts making 6 cannons
>>724223585>reaver sweep
>>724223749>Protoss niggers>Learning
CAPEMAN
MAEK?
Zeratul lives
Fucking invisible men
Gosu dt
>maek cannon>wins game
>pushing without obs
this Snow guy is pretty good if he doesn't die in the first 5 minutes
oy vey shut the nat down shut it down
But vee told me making more than 2 cannons would just result in mutas destroying his main!
>>724222238?
>maek cannon>winGosu
REMINDER: >>724223142>REMINDER: >>724223142REMINDER: >>724223142>REMINDER: >>724223142REMINDER: >>724223142>REMINDER: >>724223142Are your ready /v/????????
Why does TL suck Protoss off so much?
soma status? tiltedsnow status? tempo
>>724224004Samefag
>>724224030>TL in 2025nigga get out of there lmao
>not cross-spawn>didn't maek hydraRigged? Rigged. 4-2 to make the bets closer.
Imagine genuinely believing Soma can possibly lose 2 games in a row
soma status: capedSnOw status: flaked
>ancient white hippie spotted
>maek cannon>wins>again
>>724224152post pic
Pretty good play by Soma to get those drobes, still liking Snow's position more though. Take my energy Snow!
microing sairs so hard they fire backwards
imagine standing in line waiting to be warped into battleand you hear they warped in a cannon insteada cannonmassive morale hit
that lost mining time is starting to hurt, soma overtook snow in supplies
>MAEK?!?!>MAEK?!?!>MAEK?!?!
GATEWAY MAN STANDS STRONG
>almost storms his own observer
rigged for illegal betting
>hydras maed>zerg wins another ASLI'm so tired, bros....
Protossbros...
that's cool and all but Soma is taking a 5th
We're done. Even the sickest storms won't fix this.
snow is unironically dogshit at micro, even i can do it better
it's ogre
It's ogre
It's Snover
these instant shifts of the zerg army are fucking retardedbuilds hydra and then just makes a bunch of mutas
>>724224683he's dogshit when he can't use his abuse his singular crutch which only works against terran units
It's over for Snow. Congrats to Soma, a true newcomer to the scene, I believe.
>oh you lost 10 seconds of mining, means i wingreat game
<<Here comes the SnOw.>>
>tune in at the regular time>three hours latefuck you
overlord speed needs to be removed, these fucking things are so op
SNOW CHAMPIONSHIP NEVER FUCKING EVER
yawn, anything past the group stage sucks anyway
Beautifully done by Soma. Denied the 9 and the 6 fourth, THEN pushed in.
yeah I'm done with ASLsee you guys, it's been a fun few years
Rusdh in beace Snow, good job Somaaaaa :D:D:D:D:D>>724224810Finals are literally always early
>>724224759yes he was never a kespa probut calling him a newcomer is like calling flash a newcomer at the end of the proleague era, soma has been a top player for ~6 years
>King of Silver>Wins second placeProttoss bros, we can't stop winning.
Welp, that's that then.Good try SnOw, see you again next season.
>>724224865you said it last season
>protoss
I make Hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra then muta then hydra
>>724224865Just watch Starcraft 2. Far superior game that's still getting balance patches instead of being completely abandoned.
>protoss players notoriously dogshit as ALWAYS>maps fuck over all terran players, need to struggle for each win and zerg can just autowin with defilers>zerg cruises to yet another fucking ASL win, something like 20 in a row at this point>mapmakers will continue to produce maps with free 2gas, easily abused mineral lines for muta harass, ramps that lurkers can perfectly defend, and the ability to just turtle every game v terran or maek v protossWhat a shitty end to this ASL. It looked so good when shitkey got knocked out. Unfortunately it still felt like he won in spirit.See you next year I guess, fellow koreatime bros.
snow must be happy to retain his silver crown
LOLTOSSMORE LIKE TOSSED IN THE TRASH
snow turned into rain
>>724224916yeah it's very difficultwhen it's hydras toss must make gatewaymanwhen it's mutas toss must make gatewayman instead
The last time protoss won an asl was 8 seasons ago
>>724224970norain is a winner
dammit i knew i should have just gone to bed after that first game.
RATE THE FINALSRATE THE SEASON
>>724223228Terrannies are getting bodied by Zergs lately. Soma beat Light in the groups.
>psyblades sounds>zerlings claws sounds>exploding dragons>laughing lurkers>clack click clack click clack click >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsc3Z53QTC0 >her was mind filled only with PvZ memories
ggsI've enjoyed watching starcraft with you guys for all these yearssee you guys next time if I'm still alive (there's a high chance I won't be)
>>724224985Mini winning cursed the entire event.
>>724224935>and the ability to just turtle every game v terranGee could it be because Terran can do tons of free early game cheese, mid game timings and harass basically for free the entire game and zerg either goes lurkers and dies or rushes to defilers and pray
>>724224029
>>724225069anon pls stay alive
>>724225069dont jump snow, you've got so much to live for.
OH NO NO NO NO
>>724225043>finals3/10 that was boring as fuck>seasonmaybe a 4/10 or 5/10 purely because barracks made games interesting, without him it'd be a 2 or 3. roaring currents was also a pretty fun map to have, would like to see it expanded on or another crazy map for next seasonthe endless pvzs in ro8 onward are so tiresome, i want off mr bone's maek ride
Is SnOw fated to NEVER win????Also that was cute, those flower bouquets.
>>724225043>finalsshit>season/ourguy/ barracks did well. Hope he takes courage from his 4th place and tries harder next season. The amount of toss was annoying since their matchups are shit. ZvT is kino
>>724225043Finals was probably a 6/10. We've had much worse finals in the past and game 1 was pretty good.The season as a whole maybe an 8/10. I felt like most matches across the entire tournament were competitive with very few blowouts, which is kind of unusual for ASL.
>>724225168He got buck broken by Soulkey. Just like Flash buck broke Jaedong in the KeSPA era.
Any chance roaring currents will stay on the map pool? It's a shame to waste away such potential for entertaining games
>>724225043>FINALS3/10, knew the entire thing was going to be boring and sad before it even happened and wasn't surprised>SEASONOverall pretty fun, 7/10 I'd say everything the the Ro16 and Ro8 was at least mildly interesting.
>wife>kids>harem of female fanswho is the real winner here
>>724225043Only terran matches are exciting
>>724225080lolTerran no longer has early game advantage besides maybe a bunker rush cheese. Midgame barely breaks even, and of course late game zerg destroys.There used to be a meta where terran fends off muta and goes to punish the zerg with marine/medic. This was a few ASLs ago. Nowadays zerg got the muta down so well that terran can barely survive even when fully turtling with marines and valkyries. Scourge just destroys valkys. Terran is completely locked down in his base with the muta harass until defilers are out.
WTF IS THAT JOHN GOOGLE
Before you guys log off, help me. What is the meaning of that phrase that Caster Park shouts at the start of every match, the "SHIIIJEEE KAMASHIMIDA".
hi xun
>>724225157holy shit, 10mil w'snow he can spam wwwwwwwwww again in chat
>>724225317
>>724225235>>harem of female fans>implying stargirls want to fuck a loser.
BACKY BROS....WE WON.....
>>724225384Who?
>>724225261bring back the era of map making where terran could build anywhere and mineral lines were not a giant liabilityi want to see maps where you've got entire lines of supply depots blocking incoming units, where missile turrets actually do their job of protecting scvs, where reavers can be microed outside hydra range instead of being forced to drop on top of the zerg defensesfighting spirit was a mistake and 90% of maps just being "fighting spirit but cherry flavored" has hurt broodwar immensely
>>724225261>and of course late game zerg destroysTerran could maybe, I don't know, not build dropships or valks every time and actually play an honest SK Terran game? And not lose like 5 science vessels for free. Irradiate kills pretty much every unit it touches
>>724225217Just like Death Valley, the Zerg champion won all his games on it so no.
>>724225410Zerg are too good with mutas. You can no longer defend them with just your marines. You just can't. You will lose too many marines and SCVs. Even if valkys die to scourge, they are needed to prevent mutas from freely chipping away your marines.
>>724225205jaedong won 3 osls and 2 msls
Bring back Nyoken these English casters are painful to listen to
>>724225520just be sure to go to their channel and subscribe
>>724225492Moron SVs completely makes mutas unuseable. All Terran has to do is NOT build useless valks/dropships every single game. And no shit zerg can counter it easily when that's all they do lol
>>724225410>play SK terran>try to hit timing attack>zerg morphs a single lurker egg and blocks the ramp because every map must be designed to allow this>behind it are four more lurkers, of which only two spines need to hit to completely wipe out your army>terran needs to be laser focused on his army at all times or else he risks instantly losing the game to scourge, or stop lurkers, or the zerg actually being honest and building a real army>all so that the zerg can instawin with swarm and PLAYGUU on vessels + a single muta followup
>>724217610Wtf lmao
Stream is over, therefore it's time to bitch about race balanceGO!!!
>>724225561SV comes out too late, man.You can build an armory parallel to the starport, and first valky comes out quickly. You can only start building sci fac after the starport is done, and THEN still spend like 2 minutes researching irradiate. Mutas will obliterate you by that time.
>>724225568Okay. Keep irradiating. Zerg literally doesn't have a counter to that. Terran can also use optical flare to make units like lurkers practically blind so they can't see anything and they use that with any medic that are practically free. There's also no actual zerg counter for this. Literally just gitgud
Why won't Zerg just spawn broodling templars? It's a lot safer than diving tons of mutas into the enemy army
ZERG CHADS RISE UP!!!!!!!!!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3dLS_QgWxM&list=RDT3dLS_QgWxM&start_radio=1
Just blind every zerg unit with mass medic
>>724225667Energy cost is too high.
>>724225410Its literally impossible to win with honest SK, you can't break Zerg anymore. All they do after raping you with mutas for early/mid game is turtle and rush defiler, once defiler is out its automatically GG unless your like 5 base vs 3, and even then you probably still lose. Vessels are useless once defiler comes out and plagues them. Nobody in the world has the APM for SK Terran plus also using medics to heal every plague. Starcraft is finally a solved game, unironically defilers need to be patched or its going to kill the game.
Toss have an AOE lockdown ability that affects ALL zerg units. Yet they refuse to use it. This is how terminally retarded they are. They don;t deserve to win.Terran is good but under pressure because games are faster. So now they're strung between surviving and getting their upgrades, or going for a push and sacrificing their upgrades.Zerg actually know how to use their units and are rewarded for it.
Happy about soma winning since he played really well, but I do feel sad for SnOw. He truly deserves just one ASL championship.
get 3 control groups of ghosts so they won't be able to target the one using a nuke on the sunken line
>>724225651>be T>build science vessels>get scourged>get scourged>get scourgedwhat a bunch of retards
personally i find the overlord the most op unit, i wish they'd at least make maps where you can't place an overlord fucking everywhere
>>724225741>maek>hydraI will admit they're actually using queens a lot more than in the past which is goodunfortunately zergs have long ago lost the secret technology of ultra+ling, i can't even remember the last time I saw a zerg properly micro ultra ling so they just default to maek because it's overpowered
>>724225724It's actually hydra-lurker-defiler that destroys bio now. And thank God for that.
>>724225724>Its literally impossible to win with honest SKlol. lmao. Terran just can't play it anymore and they don't do it. They go valk or dropship every time. Traditional SK didn't rely on either.>once defiler is out its automatically GGAgain just keep irradiating the entire game. Zerg will run out of gas and then they're left with 3/3 lings vs 3/3 marines/firebats/medics. Plus Terran can do the eraser for EZ victory too
Why do Protoss obsess about fast expanding only to sit on 2 bases for fucking ever and give the entire map to Zerg?Should have just maed units fucking goober.
>>724225786Imagine a map where no air unit is allowed to move
>>724225741>>724225839UNIRONICALLY, it's Bisu's fault. All Tossers do against Z is cargo cult monkeying around with corsairs and dts because ONE guy won a final against Zerg 20 years ago. Very sad.
>>724225839I honestly think Protoss needs to seriously consider corsair/reaver/shuttle as the counter to zerg, if zerg gets ahead now they get too far ahead and they can dodge storms too gud so storms practically does nothing
SnOw deserves to suffer for what he did to /ourguy/ BarrackS
>>724225889i miss Reach so much bros
>>724225889It's the free dopamine hit Toss players get when they win with a 30 kill dt, they can't help themselves
>>724225619>balanceTerran is slightly OpProttoss is slightly shitNo race is truly OP
>>724225520yeah they are quite bad and tend to overhype everything. I decided to watch the korean stream for the finals instead even though I don't speak the language.
gg soma
>>724225786https://youtu.be/5lkn4m7Ytw4?si=OF-dLqgDPmBEx3Vh
>>724225950>No raceWhat a weird way to spell Zerg
>>724225817>just keep irradiatingnta but do you have any idea how micro intensive that is? and how easy it is to destroy vessels? scourge, hydra, plague... they all easily zone vessels out, meanwhile you can't break them because the defiler will just cast the cloud before it dies and that shit stays up forever
Incidentally, you know Artosis is satisfied.
>>724225814It can be literally anything, ling+ultra+defiler also raped Terran instantly the second Ultra hit 5 armor. All of it hinges on the fact plague and swarm counter everything in the game, defiler is a broken unit that makes late game vs zerg literally impossible to win vs. The reason it matters is that nu-Zerg tactics are literally just solely about surviving early game and making it to defiler, they don't care if they have to make 15 sunkens, they don't care if they only have 3 base, if they have defilers its GG. >>724225817>They go valk or dropship every timeAnd why do you think all the players who are better than you and smarter about the game do that? Let me guess, you think they are just "le dumb"? Lol you fucking moron. >just keep irradiating the entire gameYou literally can't, one plague and a single muta ends your entire ball of vessels. One plague and a couple hydras do the same. A couple of measly scrounge connecting win back any investment you put into killing a lurker with irradiate. Ultimately defiler has no counter and broke the game.
>>724225619>higher APM fixes any "disbalance"
The conquering hydra rapes the small templar whenever it makes it to the final.
>>724226084>protoss is the weakest race>protoss players are slow as fucklmao lol even
>>724226047>and how easy it is to destroy vessels?Unless you go hydra/lurker/defiler then it's not easy at all>>724226083>And why do you think all the players who are better than you and smarter about the game do that?Because they want the cheap free wins forever and now they're no longer getting that but they don't alter their strategy to the good old hard strategy that's literally unbeatable.
>>724225992This man spitting truths
>>724226215>Because they want the cheap free wins forever and now they're no longer getting that but they don't alter their strategy to the good old hard strategy that's literally unbeatable.Low IQ post.
Was I rooting for Soma? YesWas I happy he won? YesAm I overjoyed Protoss fans get humiliated again? YesBut I still feel bad for Snow
>>724226215>Unless you go (the build every zerg goes 99% of the time and for the last 1% SVs cant fo shit against Ultras) then it's not easy at allNigga...
>>724226286Toss players knows T is the BS race. Terran players/fans just whines the most every timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bixmCmqS9Bo
>>7242259928 fucking zerglings
>>724226215>Because they want the cheap free wins forever and now they're no longer getting that but they don't alter their strategy to the good old hard strategy that's literally unbeatable.I don't think anyone cares about ladder if at all. People just pick the race they like the most.
>>724226350>discussion about modern TvZ, posts shitpost video about PvZLow IQ post.
>>724218865I called it
>>724226408It's mostly about PvT
>>724225992I unironically agree with that guy. Overlords scout/detect/transport and they provide supply so you always have a lot of them. It's true you need to upgrade transport but it is a one time cost of 200/200 so if you have 10 overlords the effective cost is 20/20 per overlord and that only goes down the more you make. And you get all of this for only 100 minerals and 0 supply.
>>724226306>>724226350Zerg Chads should not gloat when they win against Tossers, and should save all the gloating when they 41% the Terrannies.
And now to wait days for #tastosis just to get the translations of the pre/post-game interviews
>>724226460Wait until zergs learn about other hidden techFor the cost of ONE mutalisk, you can upgrade Burrow and completely shut down any CAPE pressure
>>724226460It's T that gets the BS abilities/race traits. All P gets is what, being able to build up a base with 1 probe? Pretty useless against zerg because they don't have map control
>>724226518I wonder if Arty will again perfectly perdict what happens in every game
>>724226439>Its mostly about [matchup that isn't modern TvZ]Exactly.Zerg finally broke the game, they can't even keep up the cope about Soulkey and Hero carrying the race, even Soma gets ASL wins now. They have no useless units, they have the most build variety, they can cheese harder than any other race, they can macro better than every other race, and have perfect counters to everything in the game. And the worst part of it all? ZvZ is a complete coin flip matchup, so when zergs start flooding the ASL its going to make everything completely unwatchable.
>>724226616Point is if a Terran player gets good he basically gets free wins vs T and P and they're whining they can't beat Z because... they refuse to play SK. It's like a Z player whining about not winning vs P but refuses to do hydra bust or lurker contain.
https://youtu.be/DCufagoUMBM?si=e0Ii8EebWTAKdgz-Be sure to catch the behind the scenes vlog later today to laugh at/feel bad for Snow's reaction after the match
>>724226616>even Soma gets ASL wins now>evenSoma has been the best zerg player for a long time now, it's actually amazing he didn't have a title before
>>724226678Brother in christ SK doesnt work anymore. An irradiated Defiler can still cast the cloud of immortality, it takes a nanosecond to split the irradiated muta away from the stack, scourge are free.Terran have literally no solution against dark swarm except for Firebats and Nukes
>>724226678>they refuse to play SKBECAUSE YOU CAN'T WIN WITH IT ANYMORE, YOU CAN'T BREAK ZERG UNLESS YOU GO COMPLETELY ALL IN WITH VALK, WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND RETARD?
>>724226778>Terran have literally no solution against dark swarmFunny this wasn't a problem when Flash played. It's almost like.... it's a skill issue.
>>724226842Flash literally doesn't even play SK Terran himself anymore, go watch him play on stream. Dumb faggot. Its over, Zerg has broken the only build Terran could use vs Zerg.
>>724226842It's almost like Flash hasnt played in three years and zerg learnt to put only one Lurker under the swarm
>>724226895His wrists defeated him, anon...
>>724226924His wrists aka Zero's BZC.
>>724226924>le only one person in the entire world can make Terran work, and you can le only do so if you have perfect APM, and also even when le one person comes back and plays with his old APM, its still about his le wristsZerg defense force really will spew this and believe it.
>>724226895Flash shits on Zergs with mnm or valks, never loses units. just saying.
>>724226985The only player Flash couldn't beat was Effort. Other than that he pretty much defeated everyone. The other T players were never as good so yes, it's a skill issue for T
>>724226747Who cares who the best Zerg is, the race wins for them. If Flash wasn't there to carry Terrans by being 20x better than every other player in existence there wouldn't even be a Terran in top 8, hes the only reason Barracks even made it by giving him builds. Imagine if Flash played Zerg, this game would have already been a dead game from every ASL being 8 ZvZ. >>724227040>Only person le god of starcraft couldn't beat was a Zerg with half of his skillLolz, only defiler can make up for the skill gap between terran players and zerg carried retards.
>>724226985Let's not ignore that Terran dominated the game for decades when it was actually alive. Like complete and total domination, i think Yellow won with zerg for 6 months and people wanted to give him the Bonjwa title for it lmaoThe players that haven't retired and are still playing are turbo dogshit like snow and Zerg is the best race for mediocre play since it's easy to handle. Reminder that Larva is not a serious player and he still wrecks havoc, dude is literally a clown streamer playing broodwar.
>>724226987Flash plays Valk and mech switch these days just like everyone else, because SK terran is a dead build that only works if you bust the third.
>>724227113Effort is one of the greatest players of all time, he's got parts of soma, jaedong, old savior in him
>>724227180No Zerg is a great player, entire race boils down to Muta micro and defiler cheese. Easy macro, easy cheese, easy builds. Put any Zerg on Terran and they would get raped out of ASL.
>>724227172>SK terran is a dead build that only works if you bust the thirdWrong. Zerg will run out of gas. All SK has to do is prevent 4th and they can still fight from there if they got the skill.
>>724226987>>724227040>literally saing FLASH WOULD HAVE WON but unironically>meanwhile he's getting destroyed on ladder by soulkey and soma which is likely why he's not coming backThe ABSOLUTE state. Sorry, Terrannies. You don't pass.
>>724227172https://youtu.be/hUgf1TvC2Bs?&t=3869If valk stops muta the there's no reason to play pure mnm + vessel, valk + mnm + vultures is superior, also tanks are unstoppable the wigglers have no chance against them.
>>724227257>Zerg will run out of gas.Never happens, Zerg will get defilers, plague your ball of vessels, plague your ball of marines, and push out with swarm. Then its GG, like always. SK terran doesn't work anymore.
>>724226529>fastest regen rate>probe harass>manner pylons v T and other P>gas steal v T>blocking hatcheries with pylons>proxy capability that can still fool your opponent with scout timingsAnd we haven't even progressed past three minutes into the game
>>724227352>gas steal v T>blocking hatcheries with pylonsD rank post, be ashamed of yourself
>>724227280>which is likely why he's not coming backRiiiight
>>724227408>needing championship-affirming surgeries The jokes are redundant.
>>724227286Valks stop muta, but become useless once lurker is out, if you go Valk your vessels are out too late to deal with lurkers effectively, meaning Zerg gets to defiler very comfortably, once defiler is out its automatic GG unless you are in a dominant position already. In the game you linked Flash goes Vessel into mech switch, and he got himself into a winning position before Defilers were out.
Everyone get in here when the thread dies: >>>/vst/2170917
>>724227648>>724227648 >>724227172>>724227172So what happened? i thought SK terran wasn't viable now shitosis? Maybe you've been a shitty player since 2008? mayhaps thats why
>>724227729Its not, Flash didn't play SK, he played Mech switch. SK terran is a dead build unless the Zerg loses the muta phase of the game. Thats really the only time you can win vs Zerg, before Defilers you have to get a huge advantage or you might as well just leave the game.
>>724227163>Terran dominated the gameYou mean Flash dominated the game. Without him there is no modern Terran.
>>724227843MnM with vessel into mech switch because the siege tank is the most OP unit in the fucking game. No one is going to play with marines against defilers and ultras when tanks hit shit below the swarm, terran is unfair.
Guess what, I just beat Virtua Cop. (>>724218364)Good game as always.
>>724228007Mech switch only exists because MnM gets raped by defilers so bad its unplayable. Tanks don't do shit to swarm, the best thing for swarm terran has is mines, thats what eats up zerglings and ultras while tanks just exist to mop up hydra. Mech switch doesn't even work on even playing fields, if Zerg gets to defiler without being massively down, they still automatically win. Tanks are literally a liability in TvZ because of Queens, the reason mech switch exists is because zerg can't go muta for MnM + defilers + queens all at once.
