>Pathfinder 1 + 2>Rogue Trader>Dark Heresey>Don't have to wait a whole decade for a game like L*rianKNEELTO THE CYKAS
>>724217726>Don't have to wait a whole decade for a game like L*rianThe interactivity of the world and game mechanics are incomparable. Of course Owlcat can make games faster. That said, I liked Pathfinder, but I don't give any semblance of a shit about Warhammer or The Expanse, so I wish they'd make another game I was actually interested in.
I have kinda fallen out of love with Warhammer, so i´d wish they would do Pathfinder again. Also it sucks that you have to wait 3+ years till every dlc are out.
Think I'll actually replay kingmakerAre there any builds which work better there than in wrath?
>>724217726>TO THE CYKASBut, anon. They're on Cyprus now.
>>724217726>RTwP
>>724219059all those games are turn-based as well
>>724219059Turn based looks and feels silly as hell in any fight with more than ten people.
>>724217726Idiots put a kroot in dark heresy, but not in Rogue Trader...
>>724219059>fake time with play
>>724219140See you tomorrow.
>>724219230
>>724219140>>724219230which is why it's nice to switch between two styles
>>724217859>The interactivity of the world and game mechanics are incomparableyeah so is their budget and we saw what larian was putting out when they didn't have insane amounts of it
>>724219526>mfw Kingmaker somehow had passage of time, different seasons and weather effects
>>724217726I enjoyed every single Owlcat more than any other game since the release of Deus Ex Human Revolution and Dishonored.
After dvinity 2 THEN bg3, Larian is so far out of reach for owlcuck to catch up that any comparison is nullIts like burger and wagyu steak
>>724219828it's not even matter of quality. non-enthusiasts think all CRPGs will appeal to everyone. in reality your kingmaker, age of decadence and bg3 are very different games despite sharing a similar set of features.
>>724219526Yeah, they put out Div OS 1 and 2, games where the interactivity was incomparable.
>>724220414Ultima games were good inspirations.
I love Kingmaker but WOTR and Rogue Trader were disappointing
>>724220758I thought WotR was disappointingly easy, but then I went back and played Kingmaker. Wrath isn't easier so much as Kingmaker loved throwing in some really fucking bullshit encounters.
>>724217726Behind Larian yeah, Owlcat are now filling the niche for CRPGs in a nostalgic outdated format after BG3 nailed the full immersive cinematic presentation. I haven't been able to get into Owlcat games anyway, I don't really like many CRPGs that don't have pre-rendered backgrounds.
Convince me to play more Rogue Trader. I keep losing interest during the introductory section.
>>724220861Expanse game is their hope to break into big money. I guess it's going to be a face-off between it and Exodus.
If only their games are not buggy at release
>>724217726Owlcuck are the biggest faggots in the CRPG space.
>>724221323Based
>>724221323Sounds gay. Im in!
>>724220414indeed, both those games aren't even crpg so it really is incomparable
>>724217726>Dark HereseyFirst time I've heard of it. Is it more turn-troon slop for Pokemon babies and geriatric boomers or a proper CRPG with real time (with pause) combat?
>>724222759It's exactly the same as Rogue Trader. A new story, but the game is made out of resused assets.
lol
>>724222874Too bad. Hard pass.
>>724222874>It's exactly the sameIt's smaller world and way more dialogue choices and consequences.
Owlcat encounter and boss design still sucks worse that Original Sin 2 armor system.
>>724222759The game is an asset flip, so it will be more of the same with turn-based combat...That really sucks, but I am a huge Warhammer fan, so I will probably play it anyway.
>>724218971>openly advertise and hire remote work in moscow>hired multiple debug teams in rssia>half assed support for Ukraineyea fuck these fucks.
>>724223534And I care about all of this why exactly?
>>724223347I was talking about general gameplay, but yeah sure some things are better I guess. Like more voice acting for example.
>>724219059they switched to turn based only with rogue trader and dark heresy
>>724223614are you gonna buy more welkin you commie faggot?
>>724218971>>724223534It's an open secret they're lying for tax reasons.
>>724217859>The interactivity of the world and game mechanics are incomparableBut owlcat games have way more meaningful choices and branching routes, Larian games got none
>>724223716And they are wise for doing it. The new taxes Putin is placing on small IT firms will bankrupt them.
>>724217726If the future is cancer that treats the players like bdsm enjoyers then i don't want that. Fuck Owlcat and their shitty prebuff for any random encounter where it takes 2 minutes to kill a sheep. In Larian games i can throw a barrel with oil and the slide while doing a fire charge and blow the enemy up...the game respects the player and doesn't treat it like it needs to waste their time. I hate that they get to play with the warhammer license
>>724223347>It's smaller world and way more dialogue choices and consequences.>UI changed to mimic Disco'sIs this going to be their Planescape?
>>724224183I mean, you clearly didn't play RT, why are you even upset?
>>724224223I unfortunately did. I can admit that it is far less cancerous than WOTR and KM with the tediousness but it has the problem of catering hard to the loremasters of 40k where you can't have a diverse cast of characters..it has to be human but assassin or human but blue and the latest exciting thing is human but cop.
>>724217726Pathfinder and rogue trader S2
>>724217726>king of the worst genre in videogames after rollslop and gacha
>>724217726>Dark Heresey?
>>724223716>>724223534they're in cyprus, as they should, fuck russia
>>724217859They are as stupid as gay. Pro western ruskie cucks. Should've made their own ip.
>>724225549since there are only 3 genre of videogames (rollslop, gacha and crpg) you basically just said they're the best
Im just starting act 2 and it seems they changed a ton of shit with the new patch. Should i just start over or do i keep going? Really dont feel like respecing all my lads
>>724217859I don't really care about 40k but I have Rogue Trader a go and I thought it was really good especially as an intro the universe.
>>724225636Damn you nafo trannies a desperate. Whatever makes you sleep at night
they are the Black Isle of the 2020s
>>724226667>Day 1,341 of the 2 day special operationKEK
Rogue trader not having a single cute female portrait is a goddamn travesty
>>724226920They crossed the dnipro and the west is loosing big league. Keep dreaming that you guys can hold south America or roc.
>>724220758>KingmakerShould be remade in a good manner. 150h rpg.
>>724219649>passage of timeThe significance of the passage of time - first lotus, probably
>>724228094Why would you need a remake?
>>724228310Game falls off after barb king. I'd like a remaster with better graphics, no pathfinder ruleset, better companions, better story, good ending.
>>724228818and yet its still their best game
>>724217726Imagine if they got rid of the worthless tiem wasting (((content))) like crusade management, kingdom management and space battles. Imagine they used those resources to make their games even better.
>>724228897Wotr>Rogue Trader>KingmakerObjectively.
>>724228897By far and their only good game. 3 acceptable acts from 5 are a joke, not a good gameWotr is a joke. After 5 years of dlc they have classes that are dysfunctional. Kek.Owlkek.
>>724228940Space battles were okay, though. And if you are a Rogue Trader, you should be having ship combat.
>>724220852>Disappointingly easyYou can literally select the difficulty and make the game almost impossible
>>724229030>3 acceptable acts from 5 are a jokeThat's just their model. All of their games have the same problem where the meat of the game is concentrated into 2-3 acts while the rest feel like half-assed afterthoughts, or are just plain shit.
>>724219230>cast ice tomb on a zombie>no effect since undeads are somehow immune to being encased in a block of iceWho comes with this bullshit? Did they fuck up or is it RAW from paizo?
>>724229149Larian is even better. First part of act 1 is good. After the 3 year ea part the game, the game falls of significantly and continuously.
>>724228094What class would you recommend to play for 150 hours?
>>724229149>or are just plain shitHonestly, they are stupid. No way around it. Failing at story and writing has little to do with saving money, but is mostly due to incompetence and miserable management. Owlcucks is a company that uses few seniors to enslave underpaid junior children from college. Having 300 people with little experience leads them to produce sloppy and buggy products.
>>724229721>KingmakerSword Saint or Sorcerer
>>724229721I always play multiclass. I once had a dwarf kineticist barb. Had fun. There's a feat that scales your pet to your character level iirc.
>>724229721>>724229763Ranged magus maybe
>>724217726fuck me man can't owlcat go back to making pathfinder games or anything with more depth than the shitty roguetrader system?I have no clue what that is in the OP, is the system deep? is it based on a tabletop?
>>724219059all owclat games let you switch between turn based and real time iirc
>>724229929Rogue trader only has turn based. I expect they'll keep the same system for dark heresy.
>>724229889The rogue trader system is great though.
>Finally get a Dark Heresy RPG>2/5 companions are xenosWe were so fucking close to it being good
>>724217726>warhammer 40klmao @ ur life
>KING of CRPGs
>>724228818Kill yourself
Their wriring is shit as are the graphics, what's left?
>>724217726it's easy to crank out games when you release broken half-finished pieces of shit on Unity
>>724229261Ice Tomb paralyzes the target, undead are immune to paralysis. A quirk of RAW.
>>724217726>>Don't have to wait a whole decade for a game like L*rianYou have to wait a decade for the game to be finished instead?
>>724219163Rogue Trader was ultimately a prototype for Dark Heresy, it's obvious they wanted a DarkHeresy Game.Rogue Trader is good, Cassia is bae, but Heinrix, Argenta, kibbles, and the Arbites belong in a Dark Heresy game.
>>724232556No, thanks. I already beat the final dungeon of km and therefore won't die of boredom. Talking to you comes close.
"C"RPGs are all tranny shit for faggots with no standards
>>724233283RT and DH have completely different scales. DH will take place on a single planet.
>>724233371omg yaas queen lets go JRPG sissies!!!
>>724233401even bethesda slop is head and shoulders above your trash its less buggier to boot
>>724233371my JRPGtroonsister
>>724217726Whats up with Dark Heresy, is newer than Rogue Trader and and yet i hear no one talking about. Rogue Trader gets all the attention even years after release. Also lets hope their next game is npt more fantasy shit and its instead some cyberpunk or tech noir thing, fantasy is lame
>>724217859>The interactivity of the world and game mechanics are incomparable. Agreed, WotR routes were way more fun than Bald Gay sex 3s linear slop
>>724234315rogue traders are coolinquisitors are not
>>724223530Fallout New Vegas was an "Asset Flip" as well and is very clearly superior to the original game its assets come from. With the bulk of the textures and models for imperial architecture items and equipment largely already done and ported from Rogue Trader this frees up dev time of those modelers to make bespoke assets rather then worrying about the grunt work as well as more breathing room for the script to actually match what can be built with those assets, which was the greatest strength of New Vegas's development. Of the FFG TTRPGs Dark Heresy is also the most social and relies on actual investigation rather then just shooting your way through things so the dialogue getting more time to be gone over with more then one draft will ultimately work in its favour
>>724217726I am so glad we get more turn based kino and hope they will never do RTWP slop again
>>724233503>seething so much he replied twiceAlso it's really funny when someone tries to use "tranny" as an insult when their games are filled with trannies. Both Owl and Larianfags do this for some reason
>>724217726>new owlcat game you never heard about >warhammerOh...
>>724231686>2/5 companions are xenosYou could send xenos and a witch to inquisition in RT. I highly doubt they will force you to use them.
>>724235519>when their games are filled with tranniesOwlcat games? There is one magic gender bendered example in all three games.
>>724235728That's one troon too many, sorry
>>724234315Hard to talk about a game you know nothing of. Other than the cover and a few character portraits they haven't shown anything. But the alpha releases this december
>>724217726>Encounter random npc>10 Minutes dialogue about the whole story of the planet
>>724236038DH is dropping this btw because of the full voice acting. Now people will actually speak like people, because if they dump the bible on you the budget jump to the stratosphere
>>724235728Yeah, Owlcat is bizarrely more leftwing than Larian despite being Russia.
>>724236224Fuck off. Voice acting is not needed. It’s always included at the detriment of other things and act as a useless budget drain
>>724235519we are different anons, jrpgtroon
>>724217726They're going to dab on RPG-style shooters ala Mass Effect with their Expanse too.
>>724236923>dabMore like flop horribly once the game ends up being a buggy mess normalfags will tear apart
>>724236923they can barely get a top-down crpg to work and thats by reusing the same familiar assets across all their games. they can't make a mass effect shooter
>>724236610>Owlcat is bizarrely more leftwingThat's pretty insane thing to say, considering whole BG3.
>>724235859That's a classic fantasy trope. You had a belt with the same effect even in BG1.
>>724237523>obvious tranny representationvs>joke itemYes yes yes, also Edwin right? Him seething and everyone making fun of him was the exact same as a tranny married to a half-orc lesbian paladin yes!
>>724237610Tranny can't ever be a woman. Magic genderbending is different, result is a woman, not a tranny.
>BG3 isn't woke because..... uhhhh you can kill them!>WotR isn't woke because...... uhhhhh the tabletop did it!Both Owlfags and Larianfags really like to cope.
>>724237869Not according to the Aeon ending in WotR
>>724238049The aeon ending that literally still refers to Anevia as a woman?The same aeon that can turn him back into a man like it can do with Galfrey?
>>724230682it's way too easy and way too simplebarely any build autism in it, all builds feel the same compared to pathfinder
>>724238191>all builds feel the same compared to pathfinderlmao literally the opposite, it's in Pathfinder where everything feels the same, not RT
>>724217726More like the kings of cuckoldry
>>724222759Proper CRPGs are turn based
I'm unironically excited for the Kroot romance
>>724217859BG3 is a better replica of tabletop gaming.RT is a better tactical combat game with roleplaying.
>>724240571The opposite.
>>724240571True.
the engine owl cat uses to make games appears to be rapidly degrading in code quality and their games have only gotten worse since kingmakerthey shill here way too much too. the games are just not good
>>724240506My condolences
>>724217726>KNEEL TO THE ACK…
roll
>>724241121what this means is wasted resources on fully voice acted dialogue
>>724241564What are you going to do if this ends up being their CRPG with the most reactivity yet?
>>724241564>a talented voice actor summarising the lore?>no thanks. I wanna read walls of text instead, because we don’t get enough of that when building/leveling up the characters
>>724240923why?
>>724219828>food analogywould still rather a nice burger than a wagyu steak
>>724241615what are you going to do when it's yet another broken half-game
>>724242082Because you're about to "romance" Yrliet 2, but uglier
>>724217726You're right but there's still a problem where I have to wait a year before any of their games are in a finished state.
>>724242128yrliet wouldnt happily slurp up human splooge for genetic material
>>724242209She won't fuck you, especially since she can't
>>724217726Too bad their Expanse game flopping will kill their studio
>>724241920the problem is that I read the text in a quarter the time it takes the voice actor to speak it
>>724241920>t.lazy streamer
>>724241439gay and lame
>>724217726The age of Owlcat is over with the new Starfinder devs
>>724241615Move the goalpost to graphics.>nooooooo you can't have pretty graphics it's a waste of budget!
>>724217726I do really like Rogue Trader but the combat is the big weak point. Maybe it's fun for the kinds of autismos who unironically plan their builds out using excel but from my perspective, even on Unfair, it's overcomplicated and hard to understand, too easy and there's way too many boring trash fights. Hopefully they improve with DH but I'm not holding out much hope for it.I think the biggest issue is there's no attrition which means encounters aren't really linked at all. You just get a full health/status reset between every battle, and there's no degrees of success, it's just a binary pass/fail.So in order for the game to be challenging and engaging, every fight needs to be hard enough to have a real chance of killing you. But that's just not how the game's designed at all, I'm only up to act 4 and I did start on Daring before bumping it up, but even so there have been like three fights total that had a chance of killing me and only one I had to restart more than once.There's also just way too much shit you can do on your turn, you have to spend 5AP clicking buffs before you can attack, and since they only cost AP and it refreshes every turn, there's no reason not to do it.
why does an eastern european company feel the need to put in a black woman main character in every single game they make
gonna wait a year until everything is fleshed out before i buy dark heresy
>>724242627as you should with any crpg. First year is bug fixes, patches and content updates
>>724242606because theyre working with american and british IP's
I need a new pathfinder game NOW
>>724241615oh fershure b
>>724242858Starfinder fren on Kickstarter now. Back it. Pathfinder in the future
>>724242858>fagfinderpass. Such a boring world
>>724241920Reading is fun and quicker than listening.
>>724243017Make an Eberron game then, or Dark Sun, or anythingjust not fucking Warslop 40k
>>724243095Too bad PFtroon, 40k wonit's okay though, you can always play this
>>724243095They should do Warhammer fantasy considering they have the licence now. I prefer fantasy but I don't think they are going anywhere near pathfinder again.
>>724243235They will make 40k CRPGs exclusively now. Too much money there compared to anything else
>>724243376they're making a Mass-Effect style Expanse game as we speak
>>724242962they already got 10x times the funding they wanted and the dev's team's led by a guy who's biggest credit is working on ryse: son of rome. the artstyle and dialogue in the companion reveal trailers are also repulsivetl;dr, no thanks
>>724229889They should make a pathfinder 2.0 game.
>>724243614>acting like ryse wasn’t goodEnjoy 40slop
>>724219230>>724219303bee movie lookin ahh motherfucker
>>724243997it wasn't
>>724243943They should not, 2e sucks
>>724242260I'll just rub my dick on her skin
Why won't chat gpt talk about negative aspects of the talmud? Can this be used as a premise for a videogame?
>>724245012What does that have to do with DH?
>>724245119Gpt protects the religion from heresy. I thought that was clear.>>724245012>Can this be used as a premise for a videogameI'd like a wh 40k game where the man religion gets protected by ai from any ill mean.
>>724217726Why are you back at shilling. The Alpha isn't till december.
>>724244148Aren't there 2 games coming with 2e? Starfunder and some battle brothers look alike Pf game.
Will DH have a soundtrack as kino as Mechanicus? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ioz0wk00kEE&list=RDIoz0wk00kEE&start_radio=1Rogue Trader was frankly underwhelming and kinda ugly to listen to.
>>724245119The Imperium refuses to acknowledge the writer of its Talmud
>>724243235>fantasy You mean the old world, a completely different ip that no one knows anything about and retcons most of fb lore. Fantasy is also inertly a shittier setting for an rpg anyways.
>>724219230ez
>>724245762he will never be as influencial as his greatest son the anchorite
>>724217726King? No. Yeah Owlcat keeps the genre running in the absence of Larian's games which are always better than any Owlcat game.
>>724246967Not a single larian game is better than the worst owlcat game.
>>724247009you don't even know larian made games before the original sin ones
>>724247009Sales says otherwise.
>>724217726The Pathfinder games were dog shit but Rogue Trader was ok.
>>724246752>BL had to invent an entirely bullshit character 10,000 years after the Heresy to try and justify Emperor worship just to try and slander LorgarLol, no.
>>724217726The game will be built for me in mind.
>>724217726Where are the cute girls?
>>724219059>troonbased faggotron has never played the games
>>724247130>muh salesSkyrim is one of the best games ever made then
>>724246967Every larian game before BG3 was complete dogshit and even then BG3 is a snoozefest with how piss easy it is.
>>724247130No shit their games are 1) not AAA 2) have walls of unvoiced text both of which are normie repellents.
Since Dark Heresy won't be enjoyably playable until 2028, I'd rather get Solasta 2 on launch.
>>724250925Well, The Expanse better sell one gorillion copies then.
Looking forward to the alpha and the datamine threads
>>724249829>>724240506
>>724250925>have walls of unvoiced textOwlcat's been leaning towards more and more of the lines being voiced though.
>>724251161I said cute
>>724249829>>724251669>Where are the cute girls?In their Expanse game made by their A-team. Dark Heresy is the fucking faggot B-team.
>>724252593>full voiced protagonist>cinematic>third person shooterHard pass on this slop, no thank you
>>724219123https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xngBF-sWsLg
>>724252667>third person>owlcat
>>724252667Okay then here's your Dark Heresy waifu. Whatever.
Rogue Trader was so boring, I dropped it after Act 1How did they make WH40K boring?WoTR is so much more interesting
rogue trader managed the impossible and got me into 40k when i used to think it just looked goofyshame they are working on some weird third person shooter game, hope it doesnt kill the company
>>724253050Not enough lesbian paladins for you?
>>724253104Tbh WoTR is only woke in the first two hours then its basedSex with mommyreelu
Is RT finished yetI played it on release once
>>724253171>muh son didnu nuffin single motherwoke as fuck
>>724253171>Sex with mommyreeluExcept you can't
>>724253239I can fix her
>>724253174hah no, they announced a second season pass and more dlc's
>>724224212I doubt it, it would be kino if the slavs were inspired by it but Warhammer is ultimately pretty combat focused on all of it's tabletop games
>>724252995who the fuck plays owlcat games for the waifus
>>724229272BG acts 1 and 2 and 60% of 3 were pretty phenomenal though, it's only the very last stretch of the game that felt extensively railroady and retarded. OS2 also had two good acts, a mediocre act 3, and then they updated the shit act 4 to just be a bit more than mediocre, but there's still probably more content in those acts than content in a lot of AAA releases
>>724229929Means nothing when the game is designed to be RTWP.DivOS2 and BG3 work because most of the encounters you have are meaningful. In just 2 acts of WOTR you fight more trash mobs than all the enemies in those two games combined.
>>724253451Every anon. They are losing it because no sexy woman on the cover.
>>724217726The Pathfinder games were alright, although nowhere near as good as Baldur's Gate 1 or Baldur's Gate 2. The Warhammer games are pure turn-fag trash though.
>>724229721Anything that is at the very least 2/3 caster.
>>724217726>rtwp wokeslopLmao, I'll pass.
>>724253629Well that's just the way real time with pause has to be to give you difficulty and make you think about your build. Turn based is more like an advanced puzzle every encounter, RTWP is a stat and gear check + logic check for when you figure out who's actually dangerous in an encounter. If you make every enemy deadly and time consuming like with a turn based encounter the game is a slog not that either Kangmaker nor Wrath fail you slog after slog encounters and even more so if you aren't optimized
>>724253867the last chunk of kingmaker is especially bad. it feels like youre fighting 1000 wild hunt fodder
I picked up WOTR on sale, so this is as good a thread as any to ask.I was thinking of making some sort of Bloodrager, Demonslaer Ranger, or some sort of cavalier on Core, which is most fun?
>>724217726Now we're not.I knew that ever since Rogue Trader.
sell me rogue trader
>>724217726Rogue trader
>>724254719i like cavalier. it's extremely simple and repetitive but charging a mob for absurd damage just feels good
>>724254719Cavalier because you at least do something other than hit the enemy with a stick (you charge)
>>724217859>The interactivity of the world and game mechanics are incomparable.By that you mean Owlcat is superior right?I can't think of anything that Larian does other than barrel stacking or impractical elevation levels.
>>724255039>>724255016Can I bring my mount into dungeons or am I cucked by geometry? Anything I should know about Cavaliers? Any good subclass for them?
>>724253050I like Rogue Trader but honestly the way the main plot basically doesn't progress at all for a massive chunk of the game is weird coming from WotRIt feels like after Theodora dies and that dude betrays you (this happens at the beginning of the game so don't worry for spoilers) you mostly just wander around
>>724220852>>724229121Mythic Levels is like metamphetamine for ww2 german soldiers.
>>724255065>impractical elevation levelsImpractical? Please, explain to me how does it make sense for a mob standing 10 meters below you to be able to hit you because the game lacks verticality
>>724251669Ugh, normie.>>724252593clicking-heads cover slop.
>>724254719Ignore the niggerfaggots telling you to ride a horse go Demonslayer Ranger. You'll do retarded amounts of damage and can TWF even on your animal companion mounted if you want to be a mounted warrior. The game is about killing demons so go all in.
>>724217726Isn't the writing cringe wokeshit? And all the women ugly looking and/or whores? What makes it any different than BG3?
>>724255173No idea what you are talking about.
>>724255140Yes you canGendarme is the best subclass in terms of pure damage
>>724255296Alright so Owlcat writing works like this. Imagine Larian writing but even more pozzed.
>>724242606Apease to burgers
>>724255335When you're invading Drezen and have to kill the giants the demons below can simply walk up to you and attack, they may even magically climb the wall and stand right beside you. Or in act 4 when you fight the demon conspirators that want to resurrect the titans or whatever the fuck that was, you're swarmed by succubi archers from the sides, but you can just walk up to them and kill them, their terrain advantage doesn't mean anything
>>724255397there's no black "drag queen" in rogue trader, there is in BG3 lol>>724255296rogue trader isnt woke
>>724255296Yes its wokeshit, your old man is trans and gay
>>724255140>Can I bring my mount into dungeons or am I cucked by geometryYou can and Mounted Combat is very powerful in the game since enemies target the Mount's defenses so you can fully focus into offense with the rider> Anything I should know about CavaliersJust go Human, pick Mounted Combat + Spirited Charge feats at level 1, equip ANY spear weapon, but ideally Longspears, then spam Charge out of battle for ambushes, and during battle tooThis way Charge will deal 3x damage even at level 1 (2x from Spirited, 3x with Spear) and you'll kill anything>Any good subclass for them?Gendarme is best, Beast Rider is good if you want other pets than the Horse, Horse has the advantage of being rideable as early as level 1, for other pets it's usually level 7 unless you pick a manlet race (Halfling)For Demon Path, Demon has best synergy especially with the Aspect of Kalavakus ability which procs something similar to infinite attacks when you ChargeDemon is le evil though, you can also go Trickster but everything else is subpar for this type of characterDemonslayer Ranger is also another top tier class
>>724255296Lower budget and lack of cutscenes automatically makes it less campy
>>724231686no anon look at it the other way aroundyou get to abuse those xenos
>>724255173>the game lacks verticalityAnother thing they're fixing with DH btw
>>724255397>>724255608The Pozzing in Pathfinder was mandated by Paizo but I don't expect them to be particularly that good either>>724220852Kingmaker had a lot of Fae (cunts) and encounters that you had to metagame for. Mythic levels basically let you counter this bullshit entirely
>>724255758this too, if wotr was full 3D with full cutscenes and shit it would feel a lot more gaythough i dont think owlcat would make women as ugly as they are in BG3.
>>724255756I wasn't looking to go evil for my first run and being limited to horse only early on seems kinda lame but I'll give it a try. Demon slayer ranger seems kinda cool as well so I am not sure. Is TWF shit in this game?
>>724231686If anything we should have more xenos, NIGGER.Only two for RT. Give more for DH
>>724254106Yeah the mansion at the end is some peak developer hatred of the player>>724254719Best class to feel like a chad is Angel + Oracle but its your choice ultimately. Cavalier is strong and all the mythic classes are strong
>>724255891They already make the women ugly what do you mean? At least the ones you're actually allowed to romance.
>>724256227not true though, even kingmaker had the two twins
>>724252593Both shit. They will never create something soulful as km.
>>724256451He's probably seething because the irrelevant side character he wanted to romance wasn't an option
>>724255296>Isn't the writing cringe yes>wokeshitno
>>724253451Terminally online incels, obviously
>>724217726>pathfinder>rogue trader>dark heresyAll can be summed up by "as wide as an ocean, as deep a puddle". Wowie wadyu mean that 200 "subclassess" "differ" from each other by having slight AC deviations in the capstone.
>>724257189Sir that's Pathfinder, RT isn't like that (although it still has talent bloat)
>>724257189You should check out the new Starfinder game
>>724253451who the fuck plays CRPGs for any other reason?
>rtwp If nothing else I will always respect BG3 for burying that trash.
>>724257249I'm trying to get into rogue trader right now and man is it tough. Especially when you figure out that half the companions ditch you if you go heretic. Then you get some useless filler, that might as well be mercenaries to fill their place. Say what you will about bg3s third act but they've never left a game in such an unfinished state as owlcat.
>>724257732>half the companionsNo, only four, and it's not like they're indispensable
>>724257478>Starfinder gameHuh
>>724257884nta but i looked it up and it looks gay and shit
>>724257823Not all companions have the same amount of effort put into them
Wake me up when someone makes a Book of the New Sun CRPG
>>724258081why would you want that, no dev could ever pull it off
>>724258012Tell me what your definition of effort is. Gameplay-wise Ulfar is mediocre at best, Argenta and Heinrix have nothing-burger questlines and Yrliet is Yrliet lmao
>>724257884Its filled with furries so hard pass for me
>>724217726Eh, being a king of a niche medium doesn't say much. There is like only 2-3 companies who can contest that title.
>>724258126Let us mediate by having it be a Dying Earth genre CRPG heavily inspired by Book of the New Sun
>>724257983Sounds consistent with Owlcat
>>724257983clearly youre not a tough enough cookie to enjoy this honeyed dialogue
I still cant believe people are pretending owltrash is anything comparable to larian. Wrath is still unifinished to this day. Gold dragon, Devil, Swarm, abandoned at the wayside.
>>724258245It's not an Owlcat game.
>>724258267The only people that pretend that are Owlfags themselves, of course they're going to think that. So do fans of other CRPGs, people always resent the most popular thing
>>724217726>Owlkeks new waifu is another ugly niggress Yuk
>>724257983>You're afraid of wrecking shit, Captain? I thought you were a tough cookie>I want to talk :)>Wise choice, captain!Gay dialogue that glazes the player
>full VAInto the trash it goes. Full VA is always detrimental to the writing because it encourages brevity for the sake of budget rather than just being able to write whatever the fuck you want.>>724258267Nobody cares about these gay ass routes and if anything you should be happy they even bothered to add some more content to them in the final update.
>>724258445>because it encourages brevityExactly, just for that I want full VA, I don't even care if the dialogue is voiced or not. Owlcat just needs a limitation to keep themselves in check, and full VA is the way to goReading >>724236038per npc will never be a good thing
>>724258445Owlcucks writing really needs brevity. Absolutely a positive
>>724258445>nobody cares about those gay ass routesMy God, imagine being this mindbroken. Yeah, imagine caring about the game, not even owltrash did.
>>724258445>w-who cares! it's okay if they're shit!
>>724258397They had an ugly nigress in wrath already. They're not treading new grounds in that department.
>>724258575I do not understand "people" who enjoy CRPG but don't like to read. >>724258646>>724258686>devs release late game mythic paths as a bonus, mostly for mechanical/flavor purposes>mongoloids shart their pants while crying about "muh unfinished paths">devs cave in and add an extra patch long after release to try to appease the retards bitching about this>"NOOOOOOOOO IT'S NOT ENOUGH t-they don't care about my faggot furry character!!!! I want to be a heckin' dragonrino!!!! All of the late game path have very little content because your retarded asses switched out from the ACTUAL routes that you get to play through 90% of the game. It's been a decade and I still don't get how you dumbasses can't seem to understand that.
>>724259362>He's actually defending the game being unfinishedThe absolute state of Owlkeks jesus
I have never heard a Kroot speak before.
>>724259362I enjoy reading. I don't enjoy purple dreck. Kill yourself owlcucks.
>>724259362>The things that were there since the begining of the game? Yeah they were just a bonus not even a part of the real gameOwltroons everybody.
>All these people complaining about Owlcat writing when it absolutely pales in comparison compared to the pos that was Deadfire
rogue trader vanilla or complete edition? are the DLCs worth the extra dosh?
>>724258267larian took almost a decade to release an average game that still had less actual rpg mechanics than new vegas
>>724221323True. So tired of these retards. Niggers, just like the devs of this shit
>>724260093Unlike Pathfinder, the DLCs in RT are all integrated into the main story, so yes
>>724259757nobody cares about deadfire thoughtook me like 5 tries to get into pillars, i finally enjoy it and complete it, ready for pillars 2then they made pillars 2 into reddit dogshit, I think that's when i started to dislike obsidian.
at least owlcat doesn't put stupid shit like this in their games
>>724260123It's a good game that blows every owlcuck game out of the water.
>>724260284They would if they could but they're such talentless retards they've stuck to fucking baldurs gate 2 tier graphics and sprites. The Pathfinder games are the most pozzed crpgs I've ever played
>>724260123>average>less rpg mechanicsWhy even bother with lies this bad?
>>724249829later in the game
>>724260284I look like that
>>724252734Lmao, this faggot has to be trolling someone called Maciej
>>724260420>wow i can actually kill any party memberstill cracks me up how this blew normie faggot's minds can really tell how many of them never played an acuatl GOOD rpg
>>724236224>>724236752Hopefully they use AI voices
>>724260695They aren't
>>724260645>wow my evil dialogue boils down to>I dont like you. Die!Truly nobody makes rpgs like owlkek.
I WANT MORE XENOS
>>724260835Same
>>724260432>that>cuteSoBfags are really desperate
>>724258575>>724258610Brevity in a CRPG is shit. It's not an action game or "action RPG". There's meant to be a lot of text.
>>724260797when did i imply i was talking about owlcat your smarmy fag?
>when the writing is so bad you don't even hire voice actors in hope no one notices
never let /v/ forget it got turfed into actually thinking bg3 was good lol
>>724260964>Brevity is shit>Theres meant to be a lot of textEver hear the saying "brevity is the soul of wit"?
>>724261163>i-it go-got turfed, m-my gay fwends dont weally tink dat.GRIM.
>>724261163turfed? i'm playing through BG3 right now, it's so overrated it's ridiculous, but at the same time I could see why you might think it's amazing if you hadn't played Div:OS2 and the mechanics were new to you (or hadn't played BG2 and seen what actual good writing and an actual big adventure looked like)
>>724261270>>724261163How did Larian mind control 790k people to misclick and leave a positive review?
>>724260432>from Argenta to literal hag
>>724261495Something about Chinese bots
Interesting how people only post portraits and not actual models of the characters
>>724261495Mindrape(Book of Vile Darkness, p. 99)Enchantment [Evil, Mind-Affecting]Level: Sorcerer 9, Wizard 9,Components: V, S,Casting Time: 1 actionRange: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)Target: One creatureDuration: InstantaneousSaving Throw: Will negatesSpell Resistance: YesThe caster enters the mind of a creature, learning everything that creature knows. The caster can erase or add memories as she sees fit and alter emotions, opinions, and even alignment. When the caster is done, she can leave the creature insane (as described in the insanity spell) or seemingly unaffected, without any memory of the intrusion.Severe changes to personality and changes to alignment can be corrected by a break enchantment spell (although an atonement spell might be needed as well, depending on circumstances). Alterations to memories and subtler thoughts can be restored only through use of a miracle or wish.
>>724261495Yo-you don't understand. Clearly its chinese bots (its weird how this anon never complains in actual threads dedicated to astroturfed chink games)
>>724261495It's a good game with so much baked in normie and casual appeal that the only people that dislike it end up being autists who dislike the genre fundamentally It's certainly no 10/10 but it was as close as it got to a great game in its release year
>>724217726>try pathfinder 1>molasses pace and frustrating kingdom mechanicsIs Wrath of the Righteous any better? I can't stand any of these characters and think I might drop Kingmaker.
>>724261184The writing is not meant to be witty. This is why we get shitty quips as dialogue instead of decent writing. It's a CRPG, not a fucking stage play.
>>724261948>This is why we get shitty quips as dialogueToo bad WotR is filled with shitty quips. Clearly "words words words" doesn't fix that.
>>724261929play rogue trader, if you don't like that you'll never like the pathfinder games (at least in terms of writing and characters)
>>724261948>The writing is not meant to be wittyYou're defending owlkek mind you.
>>724261929The mechanics, pacing and gameplay are better in WotR, although the Hom&M mini game is still pretty bad. Many will disagree, but personally I thought the companions are worse in WotR compared to Kingmaker. Try Rogue Trader, which is better in most regards unless you really just hate turn based.
>>724262023>>724262134Guess I'll try Rogue Trader next, thanks anons.
>>724261929Wrath is better paced I feel but Kangmaker is it's own form of Kino once you get past the shitty kingdom minigame. Just cheat, mod it out, there's a lot of options. I think the writing for Kingmaker is more compelling overall but Wrath makes you feel much more epic. Wrath also comes with its own shit crusade minigame
>>724262106Not really, defending CRPGs in general. This mentality of I hate reading is why most modern CRPGs are going to shit and all writing is turning into marvel style quips.>>724262020That is true, but Rogue Trader was refreshing. I don't get why you would play a CRPG are complain about words. If you just like the combat, there's plenty of action RPGs or tactical RPGs out there.
>>724234424> obsessed with optional gay sexyou're a closeted fag kek
>>724261929The writing is about the same in both games, quality-wise (same as the characters).I think the gameplay is more fluid in wotr and the pacing is a step in the right direction.>>724262023Like this guy said, RT is probably the most accessible of their games and probably the most refined in terms of core mechanics.RtwP is also really annoying to me. Everything turns into (buff every character for 2 minutes, unpause, then right-click the enemy), which is tough to sit through for 80 hours.
>>724257983Starfinder is extremely gay, just like pathfinder but worse.You have no idea how much Owlcat was curating the APs and how much faggotry they were filtering out.
>>724262527>>724262106There's truth to both sides. Planescape and Disco are both text heavy RPGs with a big focus on reading unless you want to sit around for Disco's voice acting and the writing is actually pretty witty without being overtly focused on Marvel quips and whedonisms and toilet humor. The game shouldn't be flat exposition 100% of the time else you end up with Words of Eternity, but I do think modern crpgs are swinging too far into appealing to casuals
>>724262682i can believe it seeing the fucking state of modern "nerds"
>>724244886God-Emperorspeed Anon.
>>724262654>Everything turns into (buff every character for 2 minutes, unpause, then right-click the enemy), which is tough to sit through for 80 hours.i played through BG1 and 2 recently and BG1 felt like i was just powering through everything, whereas BG2 felt like every room I had to buff all my characters or I'd just be CC'd constantly, it made the start of BG2 really tediousbut by the end of throne of bhaal it ended up feeling great because of how powerful it made you feel, CC's rarely did anything and your buffs just let you annihilate enemies
>>724217726Do we know who is writing who?
>>724240506>Owns a bird>Wields a rifleThis better not be another Maia situation.....
>>724235535What? What are you trying to say.
>>724217726Overly long and very shallow, empty games.
>>724266467All Owlcat games?
>>724238253True, PF games have three builds while RT has about five.
>>724243037Not when it's written by Owlcat and presented in the horrid Bioware style horizontal textbox.
>>724253867They did the same thing with RT though, it's nothing but tiny, boring instances maps filed with trash encounter after trash encounter.
>>724254719They all play the same, so it really doesn't matter. Demonslayer is arguably the strongest overall though, if that matters to you.
>>724266840Yes, they all play out almost exactly the same in terms of pacing, level and encounter design, granted RT has marginally better quest design.
>>724267480I think I'm going demonslayer. I hope two weapon fighting doesn't suck shit in this game.
>>724269001TWF is great but 2h with Reach weapons is better for this character since you don't have to bother with AC/defenses at allAnyways once you hit level 7 and your pet grows in size you can ride it and ignore defenses, just remember to get Boon Companion feat so the pet fully scales to your level
>>724269213I almost always go big sword nigga in games so I wanna try something slightly different.
>>724269001look up all the feats you need to improve the maluses for twf
>>724241439Are you going to post examples of these maidens?
>>724217726Rogue Trader is a very weak 7/10, obviously very undercooked, and rather restrictive. Would have preferred it to be something much more hands on but whatever, CRPG means there are going to be significant abstractions.
>>724271318It should have been much closer to the actual pen and paper imo. Fast paced, ultra deadly, extremely punishing
>>724271403I would have preferred the concept to be executed via a game like X, or Elite Dangerous, or Uboat, the current game feels like you're just an inquisitorial lackey and most of the companions aren't that interesting so it fails to fully deliver on any front.
>>724271654How's Uboat? I only played Silent Hunter
>>724217726>redditHammer
>>724271853No idea, just saw some gameplay of it recently and it seemed fairly in depth and interesting and stuck in my mind
rtwp just turns into an autobattler at a certain pointbut games in general have such poor encounter design that you are just executing some braindead algorithm you figured out in the first two hours of gameplay when you're doing turn based
>>724269001It doesn't, more attacks means more opportunity to critmythic path?
>Ulfar's VA looked like some rasputin tier neckbeard, gruffest voice of the cast>actually became a full blown trannyIt's always amusing to see Dogmakeks wallowing in the pitiful notion they can resist the blasphemous allure of Slaanesh
>>724260284mandated by JotC
>>724273754I wonder if the voice director feels uncomfortable everyone time he has to work with him, as he will be present for two more dlcs.
How do I make wotr fun?The combat feels really bad, like it was clearly built to be RTwP, it has no impact behind the hits
>>724273754Yiffed too close to the sun
>>724273310>mythic path?Not sure yet. Angel or Legend I guess.
Why couldn't Guillaume David compose for RT and DH. He actually understands the music of 40k compared to Owlcat's composer, even if Sparks in the Dark is good.
>>724273834I don't think Ulfar got any new voiced content in the latest DLCs kek, especially since he's the last party member anyways
>>724274002Legend is a late-game path unlocked in act 5 so you'll have to spend the majority of the game on an early path. Reminder that the optimal path for legend is demon (story-wise, gameplay-wise it's trickster but that one sucks and you shouldn't play it)
>>724274359I don't wanna play evil on my first play through so maybe I'll just stick with Angel
Hagriven clawmanReaperman with scytheKineticist with blue flameWhich do I go for?I have yet to actually explore this fucking game I keep being paralyzed with choice
>>724217726Im happy you sre happy, but i don't care for warhammer, so until nore pathfinder im out
>>724274423Angel is trash for RangerTrickster is godly though especially for TWFeven Azata would be better if you wanted a good alignment Mythic
>>724274801Don't try to sour the guy's first playthrough by making him play troonzata
>>724274801I know trickster is the default I guess due to crit shenanigans but I don't really like it thematically from what I read up on it.
We are getting a tech priest romance in DH and that is all I care about.
>>724274787Play Starfinder, then. New studio as Owlcat is not interested in Pathfinder anymore.
>>724275676starfinder is incredibly homosexual coded though
>>724275740Beggars can't be choosers can they
>>724217726>Don't have to wait a whole decade for a game like L*rianHonestly I think this is a bigger deal than people get. I miss when gaming companies made games. All the top gaming studios in the 2000s did this as making games makes you good at making games. Im told the new stuff is too complicated but look at GotD creator fromsoft.Pic very much related. Could you imagine a top studio doing that today.
>>724250974Im kind of pumped. Did a permadeath run on Solasta, every time someone died I replaced them with a new job so I only had 12 characters, just squeeked in on the very end DLC with a druid. It was some of the most fun I'd had on such a low budget game. It and Wasteland 3 are such underrated gems.
>>724254719Honestly, all bizarrely greblood ranger. Id go mounted bloodrager.
>>724276545>Honestly, all bizarrely greblood rangeru ok
What are the best origins to pick in rogue trader, roleplay/interaction wise ?
>>724276658Psyker
>>724276594Kek. I bought a galaxy tablet and its such a fucking downgrade from my ipad.
>>724276768I have no idea what you were trying to say there but anyway I picked demonslayer ranger
>>72425055190% of /v/ discourse desu
What happens if a Kroot eats human cum
>>724276765And besides psyker ?
>>724277735Priest with bladedancer currently
>>724277834>asks for roleplay>anon replies with autistic gameplay maxxing
ok where's the PF2E cRPG
>>724277920Noble has a fair number of unique dialogue that appear for almost no other origin. It doesn't really change anything to the interactions though, just some additional throwaway lines.
>>724276658Noble is hilarious, especially if you play as a total dick
>>724277834Not anymore, priest soldier is way better nowAnd Argenta is already a priest soldier
>>724217726Make a game that isn't Warhammer IP slop and then we'll talk.
>>724278995Ok PFtroon
>>724253050Warhammer has always been boring people just have an elevated view of it because what they know about it is filtered through lore youtubers and fan wikis that gas it up. Every warhammer story is the same thing over and over again.
>>724279024I don't want a pf game either I want something original, dumb 40kid.
>>724276658Crime lord
>>724276765>>724278461>>724281335Thanks, i'll probably go with noble.
>>724283110Noble is trash now that other Origins were buffed in 1.5Astra Commander is vastly better at doing what Noble does, and as far as Navy Officer, Psyker and Priest you have other party members for that, but no one for Astra
>>724229149trvth.Cammoragh felt like the climax and everything after jus felt like mopping unfinished sidequests.Midnight Isle can eat my ass and I cant even remember at what point chapters 4 and 5 were in Kingmaker, as it just blended together is a shit swirl.
>>724283845I only care about the roleplay aspect tho.
>>724240506I will unironically kill that fucking thing the first i encounter it.We could have had a based Ork instead.
>>724284271Origins barely affects in dialogue and roleplaying.
>>724284221>Cammoragh felt like the climaxClimax? Of what? The entire thing is just filler
>>724284448Sodomizing the Deldar in their own house is a Climax.
>primitive Rock Saws mog every single melee weapon type to the point of complete humiliationWhat did Owlcat mean by this
>>724286551Its 40k in general.The Emperors own golden bananas are allergic to pick axes, drills and rock saws.
