Be honest, Anons. I know some of you are still primarily using HDDs in 2025. How do you justify using HDDs when SSDs are near the same price as HDDs?
I try to save all the anime I download. For that I need 16 GB HDDs
>>724219686no they aren't
>>724219686>How do you justify using HDDs when SSDs are near the same price as HDDs?Being brown, having the same laptop you were lucky to acquire 15 years ago, and being poor (brown)
SSD dies faster and is much more expensive storage option
>>724219686I only use HDD for backups and media. I have a NAS with 50TB of storage so I'm getting all the positives of HDD without having to bother with the noise.
>>724219686>same priceWhat is this lie, price per TB for a true game hoarder for the other is unjustified
>>724219686I use two SSDs and two HDDs>How do you justify using HDDs when SSDs are near the same price as HDDs?Completely untrue
>>724219686>SSDs are near the same price as HDDs?WTF are you talking about? You can get like 10 TB NAS/Enterprise grade HDD for like $200. Meanwhile, $200 will only get you 2 TB M.2 SSD that will degrade with time.Also, HDDs have way longer life and they do not degrade.Best type of HDDs that should last you over a dec
You use SSD for OS and executables. You use HDD for storage. Retard.
>>724219686SSDs are more costly and feel like they are less reliable.>>724219737>16 GB HDD>144p goodness, no audio
>>724219686I need to store like 10TB worth of GOG game installers.
>>724219686A much, much better question would be, why would anyone today still use SATA SSD, when NVME SSD is 20 times faster, and actually costs same, if not less? SATA SSD is obsolete tech that is only sold to retards to get rid of the stock.>inb4 the speed differences are not noticable
Hdd holds more I use both though
>>724220345It takes speed from the GPU slot if you have a last gen motherboard
>>724219686SSDs are still like 2 - 2.5x the cost per GB.That said, they're obviously worth the cost unless you're hoarding tens of terabytes for some reason. As someone who doesn't hoard data, there's no going back to HDDs for me.Replacing an old HDD with an SSD was the single biggest tech upgrade I've ever made, I can't imagine any future tech ever eclipsing that feeling.
Maintaining things is better than throwing them away. I should backup more maybe. Or apply it. Keep it out of the hands of the enemy, student filth.
>>724219686Did some research once to find out how this mfers work. Pretty cool, especially what happens when you turn the PC on, the first data retrieval and boot initiation.
It was more cost efficient to use both for my last build. One handles the stuff I load regularly and constantly, the other is mainly data storage.
>>724219686There is literally zero reason for not using an M2 in todays day and age. Theyre piss cheap, theres a shit ton of them, you can easily turn them into storage using a single enclosure. I'd argue that HDDs only hold up when it comes to safe data hoarding, but thats about it
>>724219737This, except I have two 8TB's instead of one 16TB.Before that upgrade, I was using a 2TB, I think, and it was probably like 10 years old at this point. Thankfully I've never suffered a HD failure yet.
>>724219686I'll get rid of it when it diest. 2TB WD Black from 2013 user
i got rid of all my HDDs around 2015
Why are you retards claiming that SSDs die faster than HDDs? That is only true if you use a SSD for fucking everything IE images, games, etc. My SSD from 2021 still works and I use it exclusively for the OS along with some games that do need SSD speeds. I have a separate HDD which acts as my general mass media and backup storage.
>>724219686>SSDs are near the same price as HDDs?They aren't even remotely close, retard. I can pay 150 bucks for 16tb drives.
>>724219868>Dies fasterStill with this meme? I've had this disk for 2 years and it hasn't even dropped a 1%. I'll replace these with better drives long before they croak.>Much more expensiveWe are talking below 100 bucks. If that is even something to consider then how dirt poor do you have to be?
>>724222059I had an SSD fail on me with absolutely no warning after a year or so of use. Every HDD failure I've ever had has been gradual with a decent amount of warning so I could back up the files somewhere else, and I've still got 15+ year old drives.
>>724219686HDD's are simply better than SSD's if you want to store large amounts of data you dont plan to use anytime soon.HDD's dont need to be turned on periodically to not lose any data while SSD's REQUIRE you to turn it on after a certain time to not lose the data you've stored in it.
>>724219686SSDs still cost 4x faster. For the price of 2x8GB SSDs I can build a 80TB zfs array.
>>724219686>finally switch to SSD>know that if an SSD dies, 99% of the time you've lost all data>make backup of my most important data>haven't backed up my porn stash because keeping a copy of that might lead to trouble>realize that some day I might lose everything
>>724222121>it hasn't even dropped a 1%.That doesn't mean much since that value is not linear. The drive controller does a lot of leveling on the flash cells so writes are always spread evenly on the drive, which means once it starts running out of write cycles the numbers will shoot up extremely fast as every cell will start dying close to the same time.with that said I do have 5 year old SSDs still in active use (in a security camera, so it gets constant writes). the only caveat is that the fuse on it blew and I had to patch it over with a wire, so by normal consumer garbage rules it already "died" and I repaired it. But the controller and flash cells are all still working perfectly fine.
>>724219686Should I buy a 4TB HDDs to keep all my files?They are dirty cheap right now
hdds are for cold storage, this will never change
>>724222793They are useful for backups. I have two 4tb m.2 drives plus a 8tb sata one (got it used for half price), and I use my 4x 4TB HDDs for backups. But, make sure you don't buy drives that use SMR. A lot of the cheap 4TB drives use SMR, they are utter trash, write speeds are absolutely horrible so not useful as backups where you'd fill the entire drive in one go.
>>724222121I've had a seagate 1TB HDD since 2009 and it's still going strong. Two SSDs have failed on me both within 3 years of getting them and with no warning.OS can go on a SSD. If you care about files, they go on a HDD.
>>724219868>SSD dies fasterThis is false.
>>724219686this is 'alien technology' for the modern generationwe are not able to create anything like this anymore
>>724222931What Is SMR?Any model do you suggest anon?I have been using my 1TB WD HDD for almost 15 years now, and I need more space to hoard my >Twitch live streamsI makeAlso, I wish to avoid 5400rpm HDDs
>>724223123You need to be 18 to use this site.You'll have your first SSD fail on you soon enough.
>>724219686>SSDs are near the same price as HDDs?uhno
>>724223186>What Is SMR?Shingled magnetic recording. It means the drive writes data in wider strips than how wide each sector is. So for every sector written it has to read data from 3-5 more sectors and do a combined write. This destroys write speeds and reliability. In practice the drives have fuckhuge cache so you don't notice, but sustained writes will make the drive run out of cache and you get stuck at floppy disk level write speeds (if it doesn't just permanently hang up and drop out of the system).Depending on what you want, quiet or...>Also, I wish to avoid 5400rpm HDDsoh, okay. Get a Toshiba MG10 (or MG09, or MG08 etc, same just older) enterprise drive. They are reliable, very fast, also loud. Last time I checked, the 20TB ones had extremely good pricing.If you want to stick to WD, check their product briefs and look up any drive that uses CMR (if they don't mention it, the drive uses SMR), and preferably air. If you get air drives, look at the acoustics and check if they have huge jumps in both idle + seek measurements. WD has a completely fucking awful series of drives that's super fucking loud and runs at 70C on load and requires active cooling. You can identify them from having 34-39dba acoustics while all drives smaller than them have 24-28dba (air) and all larger ones have 20-34dba (helium).and yeah for helium drives it's normal for them to have 20dba idle but 30+ dba seek noise. However WD helium drives also make this awful clicking noise even when the drive is idle, they'll make you go completely nuts, so I wouldn't recommend them. They are also more expensive than anything else, sometimes as much as by 60%.
>>724219686I'm a hoarder.I have over a decade of worth of films, JAV, etc.HDDs are excellent for this purpose.
>>724220515wait what?
>>724219868I've never had any drive fail whether it be ssd or hdd, but I've had a couple hdds that I've returned because they were faulty brand new out the box. The PC I built in 2014 that I ended up giving to my dad had an ssd which is still running fine. It even lasted longer than the original motherboard which failed last year. Original build was i5 4670k and a z-87 motherboard. Bought an i5 4690k and z-97 mobo on ebay and the original windows install booted up fine. That ssd and the psu are the only original parts on that pc kek.
Is this a troll thread? You don't need SSDs for pics/videos/music/tiny files.
>>724220345Because there's usually only 2 nvme slots on a mobo.>but there's PCI card adapter that let you use mo-Just use a fucking 2.5". You act like you're actually consooming AAA games that need all the speed.
>>724222410>mfw I use HDDs as cold storage using a USB dock>have multiple HDDs to periodically backup shit Porn stash? Just .rar them up with a password.
I've lost two external HDDs, each after less than two years of use. My current external SSD is going strong after six years.
>>724219686prices. capacity.
>>724224545They use the same PCIe lanes, but it makes no difference anyway because gpus perform exactly the same whether they are using x8 or the full x16
>>724225279>external HDDI don't trust external HDDs. Always use an internal with a dock. I've always used WD Blue and never had one fail yet.
>>724219686It's a 2TB drive filled with stuff from the 1st computer I ever had. It's basically a glorified back up.
>>724224930my ssd died after 5 yearsgot a brand new from segate
>>724219737Wowee, a whole 16 giggerbites?
>>724225451>I don't trust external HDDs. Always use an internal with a dock.Why? What's wrong with externals?
>>724219686>SSDs are near the same price as HDDs?No they're not.You're supposed to use both anyways.
>>724219686>not using bothSSDs for gaming and your systemHDD for general storage like screenshots and videos.
>>724226086I dunno. You always hear stories of them fucking up.
>>724219686>How do you justify using HDDs when SSDs are near the same price as HDDs?When was the last time you looked at SSD prices? In fact, the prices on SSDs are getting worse now along with RAM because data centers are gobbling them up.
>>724225278>using a USB dockcringe
>>724222410>>realize that some day I might lose everythingHave you come to terms with the fact that you're going to die too? Just enjoy what you have while you have it.
>>724219686Got a new pc have a m2 ssd do I need I get a heat sink if so are they all universal? Also do indeed a hdd for storage if so how do I put them in?
>>724219737>16gb hdddid you time travel from the 90s or something
>>724219686I boughted 16Tb HDD for 250$ and a 1Tb SSD for 100$. Do the math.
>>724219737Fucking casual not using 4.5mb data tapes
>>724226086External HDDs are usually just repackaged internal HDDs that didn't pass QA testing
>>724219686I plan to bury my HDD's in a secret location and give clues to my bros across the world so people can find the old net if the world goes to shit.
>>724219686a 10tb HDD costs as much as a 2TB gen 4 ssd with DRAM or a gen 5 1TB ssd
>>724220208>>724219737Back in the day game use to be MB I think you can have ps1 and n64 whole library in a blue ray disk. In the future games are going to be insane. Cod7 is 400gb which is insane to think about if you grew up with ps1 and n64
>>724225278Fallout games are over rated it's so bad. No vehicles what sl ever not even mounts
>>724226450Lazy devs.The N64 port of RE2 kept all the cutscenes, both story modes and managed to fit 1.4GB worth of ps1 game into a 64MB N64 cartCompression is a dead artform
>>724226160How do you use both?Also how big of a difference is speed between them
So what is the optimal drive use? ssds for the OS along with vidya that needs fast access and a hdd acting as a backup and location for mass media and games that do not generally need ssds?
>>724226318I don't keep it connected.
>>724226571>OS on SSD>Files on HDDThe speed difference is huge, you'll have a SSD die way faster
>>724219686I don't play too many modern games besides indies, so I don't really need one. The only game that caused me trouble was marvel rivals, and I dropped that shit months ago.
>>724226571nigga please>>724220174>>724221465>>724226245
>>724226571>SSD>Put your OS on it along with any applications that would benefit from data transfer speeds such as office software, 3d imaging, games that need fast loading>HDDs>General mass media, pictures music etc, and games before 2018 since they still expected you to have a HDD
One day I will get around to sorting out the unallocated space but eh, can't be bothered. Pulling drives from old systems and using them as storage works for me. downside is I need a mobo with 8 sata ports and those are dying breed unless I look into HBA which is here be dragons
>>724219868SSD death was more an issue for gen1 and in professional applications. HDDs can die too, I had one that no amount of CHKDSK runs could solve.
>>724226716> games before 2018 since they still expected you to have a HDDI refuse to be subject to loading screen tips ever again.
You do backup your shit regularly, right? Right?When was the last time you did a backup?
>>724226852My old HDD I'm using as backup is starting to fail on me so I'm getting another to act as my backup. I'll just clone the old drive to the new drive, problem solved.
>>724219686Better for storage. That's all.
>>724225048tiny files are where you want one though
>>724226662>>724226716Is it okay to just use ssd? Do you save/instal steam on ssd or hdd?
can we take a second to appreciate how fucking MAGIC this shit actually is?
>>724219686>can't even get printers to work without voodoo rituals>i'm supposed to believe a needle can accurately magnetize a disk spinning at 1 billion miles per hour for 10 years straightlol
>>724219737I think he’s talking about playing games anon, not storage
>>724219868https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xngBF-sWsLg
>>724220345I still use a 500gb SATA SSD for my OSI have no intention of changing that
>>724227072sureI do have steam sitting on a separate ssd than my osthan a huge ass hdd for videos and shit, but if you don't hoard any of that garbage just use whatever
>>724227097printers are intentionally designed to be shit so you keep buying more when they inevitably break
>>724227150This guy is spamming this video across the board right now by the way.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/xngBF-sWsLg/
>>724220345>>724227193I remember someone doing testing on this shit in actual games and loading times don't differ between sata ssd and nvme.so unless you're going to be moving a lot of files around it don't seems to matter.
>>724227079thisbiggest performance improvement in fucking decades, I can toss a shitty SATA SSD into any old computer and it will fucking resurrect out of nowhereI remembered years ago niggas going "uhhhhh just upgrade ram I guess??" when shit was slow and it barely ever did anything, then cheap SSD came out and it was night and day
spinning rust btfo
>>724227242The secret is to buy surplus business grade units.
>HDDs are big because they have multiple platters that store informationWhy can't they do this for SSD? One big SSD with more chips?
>>724227359Well my games are still on the NVME driveI just have the OS on a SATA SSD so it’s not constantly writing
>>724227526they get too hot it melts
>>724227359when it comes to games at a certain point you stop getting passive benefits from upgrading the SSD to be faster and the game has to be designed to actually take advantage of it
>>724220345unless you are wangblows bloatware there's no point in nvme
>>724227526Power and heat would be my guess
>>724227526SSDs do have multiple layered nand cells in the chips themselves - that has been a big factor into how capacity has grown (especially for sas drives).
HDD for storage as it makes it obvious when it's about to go bye bye.
SAS needs to come to the consumer space. SCSI IS ETERNAL
>>724227637>tick, tick, tick
>>724227557>>724227593Just put a small fan. Or make the chips spin
>>724227687AaahAAAAAAHHAHHAHAQHHahhehshhavabahBbebaa
>>724227079I remember when having a hard drive that had a whole gigabyte of storage capacity was seen as both revolutionary and excessiveNow you can store up to two terabytes of data in a little card the size of your pinky fingernail, pretty nuts
>>724227708I literally just got a 4tb NVME, what doe you want, petabyte storage or something?
>>724227708they do come with heatsinks.
>>724227079>magicYeah nice word for Roswell Ayy Tech.There is no way electronics were created by humans. Look at any other tech, it's the same as your great grandpa's.
>>724227837I only buy like 1 game every half year and I already need space.
I don't like buying new stuff when I don't really need it.
Are you really meant to leave 10%-20% of your SSD's storage space free? I thought SSDs came overprovisioned already?
>>724227079How do you mean?We’ve been using this sort of shit way back in old game carts, it just gotten smaller and faster
I have a 250gb ssd for my OS and a 2TB ssd for games
>>724227939Have you tried transferring games to a backup drive instead of just leaving them installed on your main drive?
>>724219686On average i could get a HDD with twice the capacity of an SSD.i don't ssd speed for games less than 20GB space.
I transferred over 8tb through a 1tb Samsung EVO SSD and it didnt fail over the course of like 8 years.No idea how you people are having SSDs fail on you, how much fucking data are you tranferring?
>>724228079Yeah you doIt’s the single biggest improvement you can do for playing games for a small price
>running out of space on my data drive because I have too much porn>don't want to split up my porn folder because I like having everything in the same place>don't want to have a dedicated porn hard drive because that feels like admitting I have too much of it>if I moved all the porn the data drive would only have like 100GB of stuff
>>724228192not all hardware is created equally
>>724228203Sure i got bigger games on SSD but for really old games the speed is either not noticable or just not necessary. At best i win a single seconds.Now the newest games with massive sizes i agree they are only playable from SSDs.
>>724228192Aren't 8 rw cycles nothing? They should last thousands. In fact I believed the new weak point is connectors.
>>724228339All I know is 8tb is a shitload of data. You have to be an insane hoarder autist if yoi go through more than 10tb
>>724226086external drives usually have the cheapest, least reliable model inside them, available for each company. I remember WD used to use WD Greens while they still made those, then switched to WD Blue once the greens were retired.The reason they fuck up more often isn't just that but also- people don't always wait for them to properly stop before disconnecting, so the heads are not parked securely while the drive is moving, which can decrease their longevity- people don't always store them on a flat plane. spinning disks require to be either flat or at a 90 degree angle, otherwise the centrifugal force interacting with gravity makes them tilt.- and they don't have any active cooling either.but if you take an external, remove the drive, and use them inside a case, then they can last as long as normal internal drives would. There's a ton of people who do that (called shucking) because external drives are often cheaper.
>>724228280It’s not just about size thoughYou don’t have to worry about seek time or spool up times
>>724219686Why is /v/eddit so tech illiterate?You use an NVME for the OSand a huge 24TB HDD for mass storage
>>724228435>but if you take an external, remove the drive, and use them inside a case, then they can last as long as normal internal drives would.I had to do that after I damaged the usb interface board on an external drive and it is still going strong.
>>724227294>This guy is spamming this video across the board right now by the way.He also regularly spams full threads with the image version.btw, look at the youtube accounts video history for lulz.
>>724219686for storage you get way more for way less and you don't need every hard drive to be blazing fast
Most reasons ITT are>because...they're cheaper okay!?Lole poors. SSDs are incredibly affordable these days for anyone in a first world country.
>>724219686>How do you justify using HDDs when SSDs are near the same price as HDDs?I wish 18TB SSDs were the same price as 18TB HDDs.Alice is the JAVs drive, by the way. Illya being the H drive should also be self explanatory.
>>724229230I hope you have a giant electro magnet to wipe everything, gooner
>>724229230You should be put in a mental institution. Never have I had more than 3 drives
>>724219686>More space pet $>I don't play mp games so I don't care if my game loads in a minute and not in ten seconds>torrent and seed a lot, hdds do it betterI have two PCs and use ssds only for OS on both machines, I'm perfectly fine with HDD for everything else.As for games, devs should focus on building better worlds, not bigger textures.
>>724226326If I'm dead I'm gone. If I lose my porn I'm still going to experience the phase after that.>inb4 then kysNo, kys.
>>724219686HDD last longer than SSD, and they are not the same price at all.
>>724219737>having just one disk for your storageI can't feel safe with at least one redundant disk, and now I have two
I'm actually in the market for a backup drive, wanted to get an mx500 but i didn't know they stopped making them, should i just stick with a plain old wd blue instead?
>>724219686>>724229651>>724229564Anyone got any good guides or YouTube e videos on how to set up ssd and hdd combo set up? Cannot find one that makes sense
>>724219868The 256 GB SSD that I have still works and it's been with me for over 10 years now. You just had bad luck.
>>724219686>How do you justify using HDDs when SSDs are near the same price as HDDs?They aren't.
>>724229837They are now, as long as you aren’t going for gen 5
>>724219686HDD's are cool because you can easily repair them yourselves if you didn't cause a headcrash. Just install your OS and your games on a M2 NVME and put all your important data on a HDD
>>724230480> HDD's are cool because you can easily repair them yourselveslol, no
>>724230480>HDD's are cool because you can easily repair them yourselvesYou vastly overestimate the technical skill of the average anon.
hdd still has its uses, like if youre a creator for example, i use hdds in my nas, thats about it.
I just use an IDE to SD card adapter desu senpai
SSD are better in terms of write speed etc, but if you want to safeguard your data or want to not spend too much money hdds are better. Also SSD are useless for backups, they only hold your data as long as there is a charge in them and if you don't connect them for a couple of years they lose all the data on them.
>>724219686Because is have to buy the ssd and my hdd still works.
>>724230578Believe me, I have seen it multiple times. People who are in tears because their hdd died losing their most important data. Most of the time the read/write head is just not located at the starting position. You literally just need to unscrew the casing and put the head back to the starting position and you have access to the data. Fair enough, "repairing" might the wrong word but at least you can access to your data for a backup.
>>724230768I dunno why everyone says thisHDDs are the same price as NVME drives
>>724219737congrats on your upgrade from floppies anon
>>724224930a lot of HDD/SSDs die out of the box or like within the first month but I think after that the failure rates fall way below what would be reasonable to justify not buying one over the other
>>724230480>HDD's are cool because you can easily repair them yourselves if you didn't cause a headcrash.SSDs are cool because you can easily repair them yourselves as long as it's not the controller/NAND that breaks.picrel, blown eFuse IC patched over with a wire. Drive is still working flawlessly and has 5+ years of operation in the SMART log.
>>724223115>SeagateI see that you like to live dangerously, anon.
>>724222437>with that said I do have 5 year old SSDs still in active use (in a security camera, so it gets constant writes).i am no specialist, but I've heard for cameras using hdd is still a better option. how true is this?
>>724219686>How do you justify using HDDsBecause I need more than 4TB of space.>when SSDs are near the same price as HDDsThat's only the case for 2TB and under.
>>724219686What is an SSD and why should I care?
>>724226245>SSDs for gaming and your systemGames under 50GB run fine on HDDs, so I install all old games on an external HDD to save space on my SSD.
>>724231149>i am no specialist, but I've heard for cameras using hdd is still a better option. how true is this?I imagine if you use a massive amount of cameras, then HDDs simply won't be able to keep up since they are horrible at parallel writes. In that case the caching on the HDD wouldn't be able to keep up. Keep in mind you'd need to be writing at 200MB/s for this, so like 40+ cameras, and in that case you'd fill up a 1TB drive so very fast and also exhaust the write endurance quickly, but if you use some 8TB enterprise drive with 3+ petabyte endurance then it would be okay.I only use the SSD because it is quieter (I can easily hear a HDD from two rooms over, especially at night, and I don't have a soundproof cab).
>>724219686It still works, so I'll use it. Problem is finding IDE motherboards
>>724219686I use HDDs for backups. I have both a external SSD backup and a HDD backup.
>>724231459Nah fuck that, I just put SATA drives in my XBox and PS2
>>724227526They do, but you can't afford it.
>>724219686SSDs don't come with IDE connectors
>>724232419>SSDs don't come with IDE connectorsThey do actually.
>>724231940I'd rather own like 10 8TB drives than risk losing 100TB of data at once
>>724232892That's why datacenters and the like buy them in bulk
>How do you justify using HDDs when SSDs are near the same price as HDDs?This only really depends on what you're using the storage for. 2x 12TB Iron Wolf drives, which I have in my media server and are spinning disks, cost like $460 at Microcenter now. On my desktop though, I have a cheap SSD I use for my Games drive.
>>724230931If the data is that important, hiring a specialist is a far better choice.
>>724232892Get 7 of them in a zfs3 array. You'll lose nothing up to 3 drive failures.Or just get 2 in a mirror setup, and you are protected up to 1 drive failure and don't have to bother with remembering to make your offline backups.
>>724228224Convert your porn to AV1.
>>724219868I've never had an SSD fail, whereas I've had dozens of HDDs fail
>>724222410>what is VeraCrypt
>>724226450>I think you can have ps1 and n64 whole library in a blue ray diskn64 library is what you are thinking of since the games were much smaller. ps1 library had a lot more games and games often 10x to 50x bigger in file size than n64. ps1 library is like 3-4 TB while n64 is 30 GB
>>724219686HDDs are still cheaper per gigabyte. I'd rather have more storage than faster access times. Even if they weren't cheaper, I also find solid state to be a dreadfully boring technology, so I'd use HDDs just because they're mechanical devices that activate my autism.
>>724235007It's not only faster access time, SSDs are more resistant to hits since they don't have mechanical parts.
>>724233698what does this have to do with data recovery ?
raid solves your read/write speeds
>>724222121for $100 I could get ten times the storage on an HDD
>>724219737>16 GB HDDs
>2025>people still don't understand mass storage>>724220345There's typically more SATA ports than nvme slots on a motherboard. Much easier to swap as well.
>>724235085I guess that's good for laptops, doesn't matter when the drive is fastened in place inside my stationary desktop case. Even on laptops, the rest of it is still going to break if I drop it, so I don't think think the drive also dying matters that much.
>>724219686When the Internet inevitably stops being "free" and worldwide you'll regret not saving everything you've ever liked locally. For that HDDs are still the most convenient option. High capacity SSDs are still way too expensive, especially external ones.
>>724219686look up the price of a 8tb SSD vs a 8tb HDD
>>724235680This. Many people don't understand that sites like libgen, scihub or 1337x are not eternal.
>>724219686Thats for storing crap so I dont have to download shit for 5h on my shitty internet.
>>724219686I know /v/ has hard drives older than the zoomers posting on /v/
>>724236463challenge: stop thinking about zoomers for an hour
>price>longevitySSDs are a meme in terms of reliability. i have had both my OS SSDs reach 0% health.
>>724236498t. Skibidi brainrot generation
>>724236563>no memearrowhello zoom zoom
>>724236619>calling greentext meme arrowSad.
>>724224464>Here lies anon. His legacy? 167 terabytes of chinks getting fucked by pixel dicks.Based. I do the same.
>>724219686hdds still last longer, ssds have limited writes. i have hdds from 20 years ago with over 12000 powered on hours that still work finei havent an ssd that failed yet but time will tellalso bigger capacity hdds are much cheaper than ssds
>>724222121why the fuck would I care about the opinion of somebody who uses an anime catgirl version of a fucking disk check program.
>>724236927>12k hoursi-is that a lot? I've been replacing some hard drives with over 60k hours and not because of bad sectors, I just needed bigger ones
>torrent porn>actually get bottlenecked by the hddfucking hell2gig connection btw
>>724219686niggertard, hdds are used for permanent storage and a 10 tb ssd is not cheap
>>724236927>>72423719112k hours is nothing
My set up:1 SSD 500gb Samsung for OS1 HDD 3Tb WD green for data1 USB3 3Tb Samsung for data
4 Terabyte means I do not have to worry about space anymore.
>>724219737>16 GB HDDsGood bait, Anon.
>>724220345Because i work IT and made a 2tb raid with free recycled 500gb ssd and all my sata slots
>>724233698VeraCrypt rapes cheap flash memory to death. I kept all my porn on a flash drive and the thing was dead in ~15 months. My fault for not having a backup.
>>724237974what kind of porn stash requires encryption?
>>724238054niche furry pornography
>>724237974Flash drives use shitty controllers. It probably had nothing to do with veracrypt and more with having it connected to your PC 24/7.
>>724235119It doesn't, >>724222410 said he doesn't have an offline backup of his stash since he's concerned about someone finding it so he just needs to start encrypting it and then he can back it up safely
>>724222410>haven't backed up my porn stash because keeping a copy of that might lead to trouble...care to explain why? Assuming it's not illegal pornography (and even if it was) what kind of environment are you in where having private data backed up in some random hard drive might have people randomly looking into it?The only circunstance where people might look into my hard drives is because I'm dead, and at that point I don't care if they find about my 22 tb of pictures of tiles.
>>724219686Like hell they are. My HDD capacity would cost several thousand dollars in SSDs.
>>724219686I find my HDDs and SSDs in dumpsters for free when companies throw away their "old" shit
>>724219868>dies fasterI've had some of my SSDs for 7 years and none of them have failed yet. But I've had good luck with HDDs as well since most of mine lasted ~13 years.>much more expensive storage optionDefinitely but I'm glad I don't have to hear the sound HDDs make when running since I swapped all of my storage to SSDs. And I don't think anyone is against HDDs for pure storage. Using them as an OS drive or for vidya? Now that's retarded
>>724219686>>724219686I have an external hdd from like 2006 that still works. Meanwhile I had a ssd fail on me. Pretty pissed.
>>724220345To dual boot Fedora and Bliss on my freebie office shitboxes to have emulation/old game/streaming machines in every room of the house.
>>724223257I've had one fail on me already after 12 years of use
>>724229779>>724233456>It hasn't happened to me yet, therefore it can NEVER happen to me
>>724219686I have my OS on an nvme drive and all my games on a 4TB hdd. I have no issues with load speeds except for one game, sandrock, which is poorly optimized.
>>724219686I only have 1 SDD slot on my mobo so I only use 1 SDD. Need a lot more space than that though
>>724238175Bestiality huh? Welp, see ya later!
So, at which percentage of health should you start worrying about your SSD?If someone told me I'm at 60% health I'd probably be afraid.
>>724219737Based YIFY Chad.
>>724237083be nice xirs living with being part of the botnet for that themed tool
>>724228435>but if you take an external, remove the drive, and use them inside a case, then they can last as long as normal internal drives would.Sure, but then you still have the issue of the cheapest, least reliable model. Every time I did that they still died rather quickly. Then again all the HDDs that died on me were Seagates.
>>724233203Hiring a specialist is incredibly expensive. It can cost up to a few thousand Euros. Most people can't afford that.
>>724239664IIRC health is just the remaining amount of available writes based on whatever the manufacturer put into the drive's firmware. 60% would just mean that the disk went through 40% of its lifespan. It's perfectly fine. I'd start worrying once you hit <10%. But it can obviously just randomly fucking die at any point before that.
>>724240239Nowadays it's much cheaper than it used to be, but it depends on the kind of failure. In Greece they charge €300-500 for mechanical failure, so I bet you could find quotes under 1K in most EU countries.
>>724240957https://northwind.gr/en/prices
>>724240957>>724241281Those are really reasonable prices. In western Austria, they charge you 80-100 € just to take a look at the damaged drive and calculate the price. Depending on the drive, filesize, damge etc. they charge you additional ~500€ up to multiple thousands of Euro to rescue your data.
>>724232710No you don't understand I need 1tb of storage for my windows 3.1 install!
>>724219686I've got an HDD in my PC, but there's nothing on it, I moved my OS from it onto an M2 and am keeping it as backup storage.
I have a 500GB SATA SSD for my OS, a 1TB NVMe SSD for games that I want to load faster and a 1TB HDD that I use as backup and for games that wouldn't really benefit much from faster SSDs.
>>724219686SSDs shit themselves after a few years of constant use while HDDs built in the 70s still function after hundreds of thousands of writes. I still use SSDs because my main stations are laptops, but keep replacements on hand and back it up to an HDD.
>>724219686SSD's are like four times more expensive than HDD's, but no I don't believe that>some of you are still primarily using HDDs in 2025
>>724224325>Toshiba MG10thanks anon, I wil check thosealso, thanks for the info about SMR and CMR
>>724239664You should have all of your important files backed up so you don't have to "worry" about your drive's health. It could fail at any moment no matter what the SMART data shows.
What are some good hard drive brands / varieties to look at? I have a 4TB one that randomly killed itself after being infrequently used as a backup in a stand-alone enclosure for a couple of years.
>>724236463Most likely yes. I have this one still booting up everyday since, like 2007? Also a good old 500GB Samsung Spinpoint T166 from the same era still spinning everyday. They just won't die, no matter how many overclocked RAM sudden crash I made them suffer through.Can't say the same about the current crap, really. I had a 8TB WD and a 8TB Seagate dying from fucking nothing. Toshiba has been the best for me lately, I'm moving everything to them.
>>724236463I'm still using one I bought in... 2010? I wonder how many 15 year olds are posting here nowadays.
>>724219868I have SSDs over a decade old that still work fine, heavily used too
>>724219686>I know some of you are still primarily using HDDs in 2025. Eh, I have an 1tb nvme, I don't game on PC, I have a console for that.>How do you justify using HDDs when SSDs are near the same price as HDDs?Okay I will bite, only if we are talking about very low capacity, the minute we are talking about high capacity then we will have issues, at least locally a 4TB HDD cost the same as a 2TB SSD, Hard drives are still cheaper for high capacity.
>>724220345>A much, much better question would be, why would anyone today still use SATA SSD, when NVME SSD is 20 times faster, and actually costs same, if not less? SATA SSD is obsolete tech that is only sold to retards to get rid of the stock.All of the NMVE slots on my motherboard are in use. (two slots).If I want more storage I HAVE to go with sata and yes even sata ssds are faster than mechanical hard drives.But I do agree with the sentiment sata ssds should have become the new HDD by now and be a lot cheaper.
>>724222410Huh? I thought a ssd becomes read only if it dies?
>>724246867Probably depends on the SSD. I think some of them prevent any further writes if they reach a certain level of degradation. Even then, it's still possible for it to fail outright, like any other piece of technology.
>>724219686Archiving>but marketers say HDDs shit themselves after two years of inactivity while SDDs last ten times longerI'm sure they do
>>724226734Are you trying to archive the internet?
>>724247702Its not that much space all told.
>>724219686>NOOOO YOU HAVE TO USE EITHER SSD OR HDD NO IN-BETWEENWhy are console war casuals like this? Why don't they fuck off back to facebook?
A 4TB SSD is still $300 here
The real problem with huge HDDs is if you are actually going to use that much capacity you can't afford to lose the data so you need to buy two and setup a raid mirror (raid 1? I forget).
>>724247898>IN-BETWEENa NED?
>>724247898luv me SSHDDbenefits of neitherdownsides of both
>old pc had hdd + ssd>installed starfield on the hdd>game completely shat itself>reinstall on ssd>game ran better but far from optimized>quit after 5-10 hours, boring gamemy new pc is just ssd
>>724226558Scarlet Nexus is a 50GB install and then it compresses itself down to 18GB after being installed
>>724219686I use disks until they fail so I have a pair of shitty 120GB SATA SSDs for /, a couple of 3TB Toshiba DT01ACA300 hard drives for /home to store mostly console game isos/nsps and a terabyte of music and an SN7100 NVME for Steam. Works well enough and has a sensible price point for what really needs to be achieved in speeds and redundancy.>>724224325I also have a MG10 and I don't consider it loud but I use btrfs on it to store backups so it's just sequential reads and writes.
SSD for OS and games, HDD for mass storage. If you are poor you'll have to make do with fewer games installed at once. Booting from HDD is favela-tier in current year.The lifetime argument is kinda nonsense, HDDs were never super reliable, SSD are less likely to catastrophically fail and will go into read-only mode when it runs out of over-provisioning buffer for bad sectors. By the time you have to replace it it's going to be obsolete or so cheap at that size as to be negligible. Stop being brown and seething a component hit EoL after 10 years of wear.
Is 2TB enough for vidya?
>>724250503I mean, look how much you are using now and decide if you need more.
>>724250503>Is 2TB enough for vidya?If all you play is what you PC gamers call "triple a" or "AAA".These can reach 500gb.I beleve flight simulator is more than a terabyte.
>>724219737Nobody cares about HDDs for media storage. Only if you use them for your system drive or vidya.You're supposed to use an SSD for your OS and vidya, then HDD for your media/backups
I need more space
>>724251670>nas users be like:
>>724219686>I know some of you are still primarily using HDDs in 2025.I hope not. They're unusable as main system drives anymore, even on Linux. My mom isn't the most demanding computer user. The X230 that I gave her has an SSD and it still feels a bit slow. I even noticed that Windows 7 ran a lot worse on HDDs compared to XP back in the day.
>>724251670look at this guyall episodes of Bold and Beautiful in fucking 4K
>>724251670Based hoarder
>>724236357I learnt my lesson the last time e-hentai died and just started saving everything from everywhere. It's funny though, opening up never used folders and thinking>I can't even remember saving this, nice
>>724219686i decided one year to just stop spending money on computers and gaming in general, so now i just play on salvaged hardwarei've been gaming on a Thinkpad t430s with a tb hdd from some tivo box i found at the thrift
>>724253280nevermind i didn't realize the pedophile schizo was already sliding the thread
>>724220208144p is enough for anime
Israelis found the HDD thread
Why do people act like shit like ram and ssds are expensive? They are really cheap now compared to like a decade ago.
>>724233456>dozensthe common denominator is you.
>>724233456huh... what do you do to your HDDs?
for fuck's sake mods stop fapping
Why?
>>724253963Why do you do it, pedophile?
>>724219686they're third-worlders who brag about using k120s and 1080p60 monitors in current year + 10
>>724254027It's a bot.
>>724254083Why does the soulless automaton do it?
>>724219686I'm using a 2 tier filesystem with an SSD as a foreground promote target and HDD as a long term storage. It's pretty great.
>old shit*yawns*
>>724219868That's bullshit. If anything HDDs are more prone to failure because they have a lot more moving parts and are susceptible to damage from bumps and drops.
>>724226576>ackshuellylyand yet SSDs are still faster
>>724219686They're too small for my needs. But that's not to say I don't have one, I do have a 2TB SSD for games that flatly require it.
>>724254361Kind of a silly argument, the real reason HDD is still around is for long-term storage. Not that it really matters to the average person and they'll likely power on an SSD before a year passes (the estimated time for data loss unpowered)I would use my brain and apply both styles of storage to their respective wheelhouses (use cases), no real reason to not use both
>>724220272Holy bazed
>>724219686>near the same priceWhy you lie? Even Gen3 Nvme's are like triple the price. A 1TB HDD is only like $30 vs an Nvme is like $80-100.
>>724220272same and basedimagine being nogames in 2025
>>724219686>when SSDs are near the same price as HDDs?An SSD is usually double the price of an HDD at the same capacity. "Near" as you put it, is pretty relative. Also it's just easier to recover data from an HDD in the event of drive failure. That said, my rig is a hybrid, one HDD, one SSD. The SSD is for cold storage of data that doesn't write much, music, images, videos, everything else goes on the HDD.>but what about loading timesPatience is a virtue.
>>724255407They know who you are and are coming for you, Leto. Or should I call you David?
>>724219686>2012>get hdd>hack wii>play the whole wii library off it>2020>raspberry pi>play a whole bunch of retro games off it>2025>modded 360>play the entire xbox/360 library off itdont see myself upgrading any time soon
>>724219686I have 3 computers in my home that I use and 2 of them are just better use cases for an HDD because they need a lot of storage. The main one that I game/stream on is SSDs
chat is it safe now?
>>724219868The lifespan thing hasn't been much of an issue in nearly a decade. As for cost. 2-4tb's go on sale for cheap all the time.
>>724240234>Sure, but then you still have the issue of the cheapest, least reliable model. Every time I did that they still died rather quickly.use raid5/6/z1/z2/z3 and regular backups.>Then again all the HDDs that died on me were Seagates.Not surprised.
>>724255275HGST/WD is too expensive nowadays. Toshiba has the best price/size ratio AND highest reliability.
>>724219686>How do you justify using HDDs when SSDs are near the same price as HDDs?Lol, lmao even.
>people are talking about SSDs dying>sweat.jpg>check my SSDs health with Crystal Health>75%>"sheeeeeeeet">its already 5 years oldabsolute nothing burger
Remember Seagate Caviars? Those things were absolute dogshit lol
>>724219737That's nothing, I compressed my anime into multi-part RAR archives, split into 1.44 MB chunks, and distributed them across hundreds of floppies — about 347 disks per episode.
Unless it is a 10k rpm raptor i'm not interested.
>>724220345SATA SSDs are more power efficient during idle. Very niche of course though.
