https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/1og2af6/outer_worlds_2_massive_team_layoffs_coming_on/Nearly the entire The Outer Worlds team is going to be laid off. RIP for Obsidian?It kind of blows my mind that there are actually people who want Obsidian to make a new Fallout game after seeing what they did with Avowed and TOW 2.
>>724222450They truly are Returning to Form.
BAAAAASED
Source: dude on RedditBut yeah, they should have added this entire team before putting it Mystery Meat Commie Simulator 2
GOOD
I played Avowed and I had a blast!
>>724222450Microsoft is dumb but I still don't believe this.
>>724222450But, daddy Microsoft!
>>724222527layoff after a game is finished is a regular thing in video games, even if the game is successful. when you start creating a game it's a small team, that over time grows and balloons as it approaches release.
>>724222616>when you start creating a game it's a small team, that over time grows and balloons as it approaches release.Wouldn't the sensible thing here be to maintain a normal-sized team and juggle them between projects as one nears completion?
>>724222558I don't care about shit like the physics engine in an rpg. Avowed had much more important problems
>>724222558i kneel, todd
layoffs don't mean shit because these people always find work in some other company, or god forbid they open a new one themselvesit's just nepobabies shuffling around in an increasingly incestuous and diseased industry
>>724222659sure if you have a large enough business where you can reallocate developers once the project is finished.
>>724222616it's surreal to me everyone is fine with this. there's basically ZERO job safety in vidya industry.
>>724222695t. soundlet
>get hired to make game>finish making game>no more game to make>get unhiredHow could this happen
>>724222734Something is always in pre-production, anon. It's only a problem if you have weak projects that get cancelled all the time.
>>724222450
How much players does it have now? its available early for paypigs
>>724222450HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>724222865when prototyping projects the development team is tiny. it's later that you start adding qa, localization, voice over, additional developers and writers...
>>724222450You ship sixteen bugs, what do you get?Another day older and no paycheck yet.Saint Satya, don’t you fire me ‘cause I can’t go —I owe my soul to making woke slop.
>>724222659the sensible thing was never making the outer worlds 2
>>724222450Maybe hiring all those cat ladies who add brown people to games wasn't such a good buisness strategy after all, but they will do it again anyway.
Roblox
>>724222450go woke, go broke
>>724222450One glance at game's companions tells me Obsidian deserves it.
>>724222450It is microsoft so I can see it happening but...>no source...so I'm inclined to call BS.Also why the fuck would you tell them they'll get laid off a week in advance?
>>724223135Looks like a carbon copy of concord
>>7242231352/5 look alright to me. Girl on the right is basically MtG Chandra.
>>724222450What will happen with the game's dlc expansions?
>>724223089I can't even get hired at McDonald's despite having a year of work experience, the world is fucked.
>>724222450lmao obsidian was their only fucking studio actually releasing games wtf are they gonna do now
>>724222450You already know this game is gonna be trash. They were far to into the dev cycle to ever hope to change any of the woke DEI bullshit. Maybe the next game they can get right but this one will probably be even worse than the first one
>>724223481I swear there are multiple people making cuts at Microsoft, and they have zero communication between them. Remember when they killed the studio behind pic related while AT THE SAME TIME proclaiming how they want to protect exactly those studios to have "game portfolio variety"?
>make first game>fail>make second game>failmaybe they'll take the hint this time?
you forgot to put [sad news] in your post
>>724222450outer wilds 2 has planned DLC so this is probably falsified and homosexual
>>724223481Yeah, I saw the trailer for this and didn't like it, but it reviewed well and they're putting out games at a decent rate so this seems incredibly retarded. If you're gonna be a publisher you need to have games.
>>724223638>outer wilds*worldssorry i was thinking of a better game
>>724223181Do burgers not have any sort of employee protections? Advance warnings for getting laid off isn't exactly something weird to me.
>>724222558I'm having a bit of fun with Avowed and not being able to send interiors flying all over the place doesn't bother me at all. The barely adequate writing and samefaced ugly NPCs are a much bigger problem.
>>724222825>get hired to make game>make good game >people love it, buy it and want more>get promoted and start working on next game
>>724223820Of course they don't. In burgerland if you want consumer or worker's rights they call you a communist. They are retarded like that.
>>724222450Good riddance
>>724223369Maybe you’re overqualified.
>>724223820Depends on state, in most states you can be instantly laid off anytime for any reason.
>>724222450Game hasn't even came out and they're already getting hit with layoffs?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>724222450It boggles my mind that there are still retards to this day claiming Bethesda should have Obsidian make another Fallout game
Devs should sneak a bunch of fucked up shit into the game as a "fuck you".
>>724224049>Devs should sneak a bunch of fucked up shit into the gameThey already did, game is woke beyond belief
>>724224103That's not a fuck you to the ones firing them, nor is it considered "fucked up shit".
>>724222450I doubt the source is legit but it's not a wild guess to make. Xbox division has been busy closing down projects and studios the past year or so, and there's no way Avowed turned a profit. (((Reportedly))) it hit 5.9 million players but I bet it didn't even manage to sell 1 million copies considering it right now has ~200 players online in Steam. Those are absolutely abysmal numbers even for a single player RPG that's only 8 months old. Comparison: KCD2 is also 8 months old and has 15k players online. I'm expecting The Outer Worlds 2 to have similar reception as Avowed, maybe even slightly worse because at least Avowed had some hype going for it. Literally nobody is excited for Outer Worlds 2 lol.
>>724224049I doubt they even have it in them to do babby tier edginess like adding a racial slur like nigger and gookchink let alone anything truly fucked up.
>>724223135this +no romanceit just drips and oozes arrogance from all orifices
>>724222450what happens when you fire avellone
>>724222450damn how could this happenno one could have seen this comingthe gay nigger tranny game was a massive success actually
>>724223887Is the company just supposed to keep everyone on payroll while they wait to see how the game sells?
>>724222450When was the last time they actually made a good game? Penitent?If its true, its absolutely deserved. Guess capitalism won in the end kek
>>724222450It's Embracer strategy: layoff the team to maximize profits. That's why I don't believe in Elder Scrolls 6, everything that requires more than +2 years of development will be canceled, MS needs money for AI bubble
>>724222450good, outer worlds was shit
>>724222450finally some good news in these troubled times
>>724224431Yes? They'll know if it's good in a week or two.
>>724223135the trailer that introduced them looked like it was advertising a late 2010s hero shooter.they've gone off the deep end. at least Outer Worlds 1 had the robot and Vicar Max, decent companions.
>>724222616disposable teams is not "a thing", it's a recent development that spread with AAA explosion in the past decade. It's really american too.
Obsidian would have closed its doors right after the Outer Worlds 1 disappointment. They just didn't have the cashflow to survive as a gaming studio on the West Coast.Microsoft basically gave them another chance, and they failed to deliver anything good enough to save them.
oh no.not the outer worlds 2 team.
>>724224583well before you had to train your developers on your engine, now that everyone's working with unreal and unity it makes developers much more easy to switch around.
>>724222450>No SourceOh, anon...
>>724222450Outer Worlds 2 just looks fucking bad, and I have no incentive to play it.Get fucked
I hope its real. fuck Obsidian, everything they made after Tyranny sucks
I would've put money on Double Fine getting the axe first. As shit as they are, Obsidian at least gets games out the door. Double Fine just spent 4 years to make a 4 hour walking sim with impossible to fail baby puzzles that no one but me played.
>>724224431If you're preparing to fire people before the game fully released I think you already know it's shit
>>724224198Around Avowed release we already knew the game was flopping, but the argument shills and obsidian fanboys were using was that - yes, the game didn't sell a lot of copies, but that's because it's on gamepass from day one and it's meant to sell gamepass instead and that Obsidian strategy of releasing garbage once per year provides microsoft with a consistent 6/10 product they can advertise gamepass with.I'm only posting this because I haven't been paying attention to microsoft and gamepass lately - are they firing everyone and everything related to it or is it just Obsidian because they realized no one's fucking buying gamepass premium at $30 or whatever it is these days to play a (at best) 6/10 RPG
I hope this is true. I want to see all these woke devs get fired.
>>724225521>it's meant to sell gamepassI don't fully understand how Microsoft views the economics of Gamepass, but there were articles claiming it did well on there. I don't think it could have been a complete disaster either considering they suddenly dropped a Pillars patch out of nowhere and announced they would patch in a turn based mode for it.
>>724224670Is that the nonense they teach you in game dev school? lmao
>>724223573does nobody remember when lionhead got shuttered and the news agencies knew about it before the team didyou have lionhead devs making their shitty blogs about work and what they were currently working on and what coffee they were drinkingthen suddenly articles popping up about how they'd all be laid off and lionhead studios was closingfucking funny to think about reallymicrosoft is a terrible company
>>724222450I keep doing nothing.
>>724222754It’s an incredibly incestuous industry. They’ll already have something lined up with a competitor or be head hunted if they haven’t already got a plan b to begin with.
>>724222450deboonked
>>724225876Is that all it takes to confirm something as fake?
>>724225876Is he implying people would be fired because people are talking about it?They're definitely getting sacked.
>>724222450a real return to unemployment forms
>>724222558I would have been impressed if the bread had been sliced in half, that shit is not "immersion" to me.
>rpg game>no romanceWhy did they think alienating the simplest audience was wise?
>>724223918>not qualified for the normal jobs>overqualified for the trash jobsAIIIIIEEEEEEEI really don't want to do construction, but that seems like the only thing left; hopefully it's only for a little bit and I can use the money to work towards a bachelor's or something before turning my bones to dust.
>>724225876>confirmed fake by the faggot that said everything with some other DOA games was bs because "when I interviewed them knowing who they are they never mentioned how bad things really were"KEK they might be retards but at least they're smart enough to know not to trust those faggots now.
>>724222450Why? everyone loves New Vegas
>>724222825Any decent-sized studio has at least one game in pre-production that normally you'd be reassigned toUnless you're that terrible lol
How dumb do you gotta be to fall for something like this
>>724223181>Also why the fuck would you tell them they'll get laid off a week in advance?Here unless you're being fired for some major breach of contract fuck up you need to be told at least 3 weeks in advance, what hellish employment laws do you burgermutts have lmao
>>724226069That bread is older than you.
>>724222825>>724222616Didn't happen with other studios like Hazelight, RGG, fromsoft or warhorse they just started working on their next game
>>724225876jason isn't the big shot he was 10 years ago.
>>724225876>Dood trust the guy who hid all the blizzard shit for years just so he could put it all in a book.
>>724226329At my job, it's three months both if I want to quit or they want to fire me. It used to be one month in the past, but then someone in a critical role just quit and they had to scramble to find a replacement in a month. That shook them enough to change it to three months.
>>724224475>MS needs money for AI bubbleThey have infinite money glitch from Windows/Office 365, Obsidian revenue is chump change to them. I doubt it
>>724226182Obsidian is a ship of Theseus studio, practically nobody who worked on FNV is there anymore
>>724222558Outer Worlds 2 is a blast.
>>724226563>laggy>walks into liquid>evaporatesB L A S T
>>724224304With companions this ugly and obnoxious, no romance is irrelevent.
>>724226476>it's three months both if I want to quit or they want to fire me.>I quit>But I still have 12 weeks left on the job.I don't think that's how quiting works
>>724226563But you could swim in Avowed? Why no just use that?
>>724225876Schreier is an industry plant that will run damage control for big publishers, keep that in mind.
>>724226668It is, in civilised countries. You find another job, you set a start date in the future, and you notify your job so that they have time to find a replacement. This works both ways, if they want to lay you off for reasons not tied to your performance they can't just inform you you don't have a job one day, they have to let you know in advance so that you can look for another job.
>>724226563These games are just getting uglier and uglier.
>>724226476Usually they'll specify the notice period in each person's contract instead of having a blanket rule for everyoneI can understand needing that much notice or even longer for senior roles but three months for the rank and file is absurdly long
>>724224752Pentiment was good.Letting that autist, Sawyer make a smaller game was a good move.
>>724226873In practice, they're usually flexible. Unless they have a good reason, negotiating for a shorter time is not out of the question once you decide to quit.
>>724226962>Pentiment was good.Blackwashed and insincere. No less woke than the rest of recent Obsidian's output.
>>724225876>confirmed FAKE by the jim cramer of vidyaLMAO, S to spit
>>724224431Gee, I wonder why Nintendo and other JP developers are not having this issue. Hmmm, curious.
>>724222558And Avowed has better combat, exploration and magic than any ES nu-Bethesda has done
>>724222450don't care lmao
>>724227062in japan when you finish a game it's customary to sudoku as you have fufilled your life's function.
>>724227152>when your life's function was to make some budget kusoge that no one will ever playI'd kill myself, too.
>>724225942>>724225952>>724226168>>724226390>>724226405>>724226721>>724227058>LAYOFFS COMING, SOURCE: A REDDITOR>omg obsidian is COOKED It's joever kek>Schreier says it's fake>really? you're gonna trust that guy?
>>724227465do you think they're going to fire their employees just before the game releases and make a pr mess? no, they're going to wait for the game to release and quietly fire them in ~1 month.
>>724227465random people you meet on the street are more trustworthy than jason
>>724227465Yes?Why wouldn't you trust a random redditor more than a dude who is best remembered as that guy who saw huge tits and said "thats a child" then got told he was a fucking faggot in the politest way possible?
>>724227039I only recall 1 moor and 1 Indian/mid-east priest in the whole game, the Jewish family had to leave town with the expulsion of the Jews from Bavaria and women weren't allowed a vote on the council. You can even put a man to death for being gay. What more do you want from it? To show those things as actually good and based?
>>724227465why would you trust the guy that said "GO WOKE GO UHHH TOP OF THE CHARTS ACTUALLY" about Veilguard but then deleted the tweet like a coward when it became obvious Veilguard flopped and Bioware got shut down he's a jewish rat that openly hates white guys, he shills and lies for these tranny devs like crazy
>>724227465Jason tends to not know shit until it has already happened OR he's willing to blow his scoop early(rare).
>>724227585why would they fire employees if the game is successful?every reviews I've seen is good and there's a lot of shilling on youtube so I'm sure they are going to sell at 100k copies in the first days
>99% of devs are leftists >whenever a dev gets laid off you're almost certainly laying off a leftistAnd nothing of value was lost.This is why watching them lose their jobs makes me happy. These are the same people who would gleefully cancel me for being a "nazi".I wish them nothing but misery in life. Anyway, the AAA industry is atrocious, just churning out heaps of garbage one after another. None of these games are even remotely innovative anymore and all look like shit. The last good game was fucking Elden Ring, 3 whole years ago.
>>724222450[No Source]
>>724227465>Trusting Jason "actually, Veilguard is making bank you chuds!" Schreier
>>724227923the source is jason "kikefag" schreier deboonking it
>>724222450>no sourceObsidian employee just flew over my house
>>724227940redditors were also calling veilguard a success at first
>>724222825>lose of your accumulated know-how>next game is worse than the previous one and cost more to make>makes no profit>shut down your entire gaming division How could this happen t. Microsoft
>>724226962it was good and soulful No matter what vtards have to say.
>>724227991>Obsidian employee just flew over my housetrannycopter style?
>>724222659Brian Fargo talked about this but Black Isle Studios approach (literally helmed by feargus as well) was to cycle the teams in parts, so you would have the story and game planned out by a small team of writers/designers and as that design matured programmers and artists would be added and start building the actual game to get it in line with the vision from the designers then some of those designers would move to the next project and start planning that and more artists/programmers would move onto the first project to complete it, so you would have a games team slowly build up and slowly pull down, and because you had a few projects going on at the same time the staff working right up to completion on that first project would quickly be moved a long to the next project. I'm kind of surprised that this isn't what Obsidian are doing right now, but this maybe points to Obsidian being shut down as a whole, I'd say well deserved.
>>724226563>GAME OVER>YOU DIED>You have drowned.
>>724223886once you notice that not a single woman in the game has long hair it's extremely distracting.
>>724227062It's actually against the law to lay off employees in Japan barring something major like the company will go out of business if they don't do lay offs.It's why they ask people to voluntarily quit.
>>724224560Vicar Max went off the deep end with his quest though, truly disappointing shit for such a character.
>>724225702That whole debacle was even funnier when you read that Microsoft tried to sell Lionhead but got no offers because they refused to also part with their IP, who the fuck pays money to buy just a studio when you can just hire the talent at that studio when they are all let go.Even Square Enix isn't this laughably out of touch.
>>724228232it's always weird to me when weebs uphold japan as this paragon of creativity. japan works their employees to the bone, they have the highest suicide rate out there.
Predict player count for outer worlds 2 ill say 23K
>>724228229Well they do but in that ugly curly high bun
>>724228446less than 10k
>>724228115>lose of your accumulated know-howThat's alright, I'm sure there's plenty of UE5 expertise in India
>>724222695>immersion in my rpg isn't important
>>724228446125k
>>724228331>says this when companies can fire you without due reason in the US>also unpaid overtime
>>724228736i'm european dude, we actually have decent working hours and 5 weeks of holiday per year; and no employers can't randomly fire you.
>>724226962>The murderer is just lucky and all the choices you do are correctlollmao
>>724228446It would have been less if VTMB2 didn't shit the bed, but thanks to some people remembering the first game I'd say around 30k.
>>724227465he doesn't want the news to affect the game's performance
>>724222558Why are first person animations always so stiff and shitty nowadays?
>>724228826>says this when your government lets muslims rape and kill your children with impunity
>>724229151i recommend unhooking the fox news catheter.
There's a finite amount of time people have to play a video game. The competition is so fierce and so many games are released these days you don't have time to play them all. Why would I play a 6/10 game when I could spend my time playing a better game? Bad games will bomb and good games will thrive, simple as.
>>724222450It feels like studios like Obsidian, Bioware, Ubisoft and others have just been failing and laying off everyone for so long but somehow they stay alive.
>>724224558they already know, retard
>>724229313Ubisoft is massive they are pumping out games in the down time
>>724222754I will say it kind of sucks that they know by the start of the project that they'll only keep on X% of the team after the project is finished. I know Nintendo contracts that hire outside help for projects get treated poorly by full Nintendo employees sometimes, but they really need to be transparent about not needing you beyond that project cycle from the get go. Yeah they like to sign some on permanently, but not everyone can land that and clearly there's not that much room for them after the project. Idk, to me it seems kind of obvious this is more of a gig economy than people treat it like it is. Maybe if we were just unfurling game after game then you'd keep the whole staff but that's simply not how the industry moves right now.
>>724222450>No source>EVERYONE knows it but will never speak of it so don't try and prove itUh huh
Is either Outer Worlds worth pirating?
>>724230595The first one is ok, just ok. Like the most 5/10 game i have ever played kind of ok.
>>724222450Thank fuck. Obsidian haven’t done anything good since Pillars of Eternity. Everything ain’t has been absolute garbage. They need to cull the herd badly. The Outer Worlds is so fucking bad it’s unreal. It’s just Firefly but GAY.
>>724228207This sounds obvious but most workplaces (especially ones owned by giant corporate entities) find this sort of project management stuff really hard. It requires a lot of trust and competency
>>724225625Gamepass only works when the shit being offered on their is old stuff that isn't moving boxes anymore, putting new releases on it is essentially a death sentence for any new game.
>>724222450Obsidian is doing what microsoft wants, releasing gamepass slop on a regular schedule. They're not closing
>>724228232I assume them "asking" is just an implied "we will fuck your reputation and make your life miserable if you don't". A lot of their "politeness" just masks normal human reactions so they're all secretly miserable. They will never outright say no to something but will just shrug their shoulders and stare until you aren't thick enough to get their real meaning
>>724222825no more game to make because no one is buying your previous gamenext time just do your job and make good game
You really can tell how bored snoys are. They had nothing to play for over a year and kept themself from offing themself by making up retarded outrage about xbox on the daily.
>>724222450From what I've seen Space Lesbians 2 might be somewhat better than the first, but I honestly won't buy it at the 70€ price tag they're asking, the first one I thought it wasn't worth the 15€ I paid for it, and I honestly don't believe they've improved enough over time to justify paying more than 10€ for the sequel.I might pirate it if some rusky releases a prepackaged linux zip with the pirated version.
>>724227083Nah
>>724230789Also works when the idea is to flood a new multiplayer game with bodies that'll buy micro transactions. Putting a new singleplayer game with little to no replayability on it is definitely a bad idea.
>>724226563impressive.
>>724224304who the fk would want to romance that brown bio mass
>>724226563wow it's just like dark souls!
>>724222659That would be sensible but it's less profitable than using outsourcing all development work to India and using a small temp team of whites to unspaghetti their code.The real reason gaming has stagnated is because dev studios and publishers chose Made in India Unreal Engine 5 slop over fostering talent.
>>724228331They might work them to the bone, but they produce good shit. Meanwhile westoid studios crunch for imagine babies 5.
Not the makers of GOTY contenders Avowed and Outer Worlds 2, somebody stop Microsoft!!
TOTALOBSIDIANCLOSURE
Why do they making games for modern audience? Like I'm not even pirating just because I know it's going to be they/them-core with no sexy bitches.
>>724228446>no one even knows it's coming out>met with universal disdain on reveal10k sounds very optimistic even.
>>724232119what is Avowed
>>724222450Ah Microsoft, becoming the next EA.
>>724232303Skyrim with gays.
>>724230595The first one was alright, I finished it but I might've been coping since I bought it. I'm usually more willing to just drop games I don't like if I haven't paid for them.
>>724222450It's almost like buying a dreg studio that's so abysmal to work with nobody ever works with them twice and their only two games people actually liked were just mods for another's work is a bad investment.
>>724222659>would a sensible way to manage a project be better?Yes it would, funny that.
>>724232367o-oh..
I don't think this game is worth the uncapped bandwidth to have it downloaded for free, let alone $70/70€. Even the paid journos like IGN are having a hard time shilling for this. IGN said it gets good after 20 hours... Like give me a break
>>724230595No. I pirated Outer Worlds 2 just to see if it was as bad as people were saying. It's really boring and lifeless. I tried playing a dumb character but you only get dumb dialogue every so often and even then you only got a single response to your dumb option before the conversation is railroaded back to the normal intelligence conversation. The character designs look like this. One thing I noticed is that the bad people are white and the brown people are good.
>>724232303Sometimes the lack of knowledge is a blessing anon. Let's keep it that way in this case
Phil's cock should actually be removed before obsidian gets layoffs. I don't care if their shit is woke, they are insanely productive and it is Phil's job to have oversight over these studios to help them be successful. Outer Worlds was boring as shit and a sequel should have never been greenlit
>>724226563wow it's just like starfield!
>>724232662everyone involved with xbox should be thrown into a volcanothat includes obsidian
>>724232619>The character designs look like this.Top kek, it's even worse than I thought. It's unironically not worth the uncapped bandwidth to have it downloaded for free
>>724222450Gaming company workspaces are incredibly toxic right. Like how that fucking asshat cocky faggot Thor of Pirate Software described his time at Blizzard or whatever.Imagine working in a place full of queer faggots and troons and SJW feminists etc. Imagine being in the middle of that cacophony of mental illnesses. I think someone was waiting to pull the plug in the team, it's just that they needed to finish making the game first.
Obsidian hasnt made a good game in over a decade
>>724232965looks retarded
>>724232965who wouldn't want to play as this
>>724232965fluoride stare in space
>>724222450The video industry is just adopting the construction industry standard. You finish the job, you get laid off, you move on. My life has been that way since I was 18. This is the cause of most construction building problems, you save money on labor but people are not indistinguishable worker units. You hear it all the time "Company x did such a great job on project y, why is project z going so poorly??" Its because they laid off everyone between projects, then there is no guarantee that they will return or be avaliable for the next project. The difference between construction and video games though is no one needs video games. If your building is delayed or poor quality eventually the client will just have to accept it, they need the building. If a video game is poor quality, no one buys it and you've just lost 250 million.
>>724232965>not a cool bionic mech arm>its a fucking amputee prosthetic in the space ageThey have no imaginationIts like being a wheelchair bound cripple in D&D, you have the means to not be disabled but you choose to be disabled for diversity sake
>>724233669If it's a good game and you wanna keep it that way, don't you wanna keep the same workers in their positions for whatever critical / creative decisions, thought process etc? There might be new bugs to fix or if the game is reeaaaly good, a DLC in the future..That's what happened with BF2042, apparently the old brilliant minds took off from the studio/series so they're left with absolute plebs making the game.
>>724222450I'm starting to think they're just including contract workers in these layoffs to make people sympathize with them despite it being a natural contractual occurrence.
>>724222450Maybe start focusing on making games people want to play instead of making games you want to make.
>>724222558but the dynamic light :OOOOO
>>724222450>Confirmed FALSELol
>>724232072>They might work them to the bone, but they produce good shit. Meanwhile westoid studios crunch for imagine babies 5.lmao
>>724232965Background: SMO
>>724232965wood grain on the prosthetic is kind of funny and fitting to the setting
>>724227585>do you think they're going to fire their employees just before the game releases and make a pr mess? >no, they're going to wait for the game to release and quietly fire them in ~1 month.But that's not what the "source" you're all blindly trusting said was going to happen? It said they're going to be fired as of wednesday. Wouldn't be very smart of Schreirer to stick his neck out and say nothing's happening if they actually were all going to be fired just a couple of days later, would it?
>>724222450I CALLED IT FOR MONTHS AND IT TURNS OUT I WAS RIGHT
>Removed by a plebbit mod for being fake
>be microsoft>buy studios>force them to accept your insane micromanagement and release shit games at breakneck pace>cancel the games anyway>or don't cancel the game and just close the whole studio>repeat for 15 fucking years>wow I can't believe xbox is losing the console war
>>724232965They include stuff like this just to tick the ESG box. Just so they can say they did it, like Forza Horizon. That's just a swap out to the already generic and soulless model. They literally didn't give it a second thought.NG4 has an amputee boss and he's effortlessly the coolest (new) motherfucker in the game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l57H7m8fIR8
>>724222825You say that, but the main reason FromSoft is able to keep their games in-budget is because they keep their Devs and just don't re-hire for the next project. It just sounds like the 'normal' way of doing things has more downsides than upsides
>>724223135Remember when RPG parties were composed of interesting people?
>>724235726Pic unrelated.
>>724235726>white dwarf>white woman>white woman>brown man>white woman>white man>white woman (old)>brown man>Golem>DogClearly you don't
>>724222450Make shitty game? Get laid offMake okay game? Get laid offMake great game? Believe it or not, get laid off
They've leaked firing notices
>>724235878>skin color is what makes someone interestingnigga you are far gone in this identitiy politics bullshit
>>724235768>>724235878>i only play gacha, how did you know?
>>724235942>Make okay game? Get laid off>Make great game? Believe it or not, get laid offWhen did these happen?
>>724235878haha this isn't even trolling this is literally how redditniggers think while pretending they are progressive>SKIN COLOR IS ALL THAT MATTERS MAKE 4 OF THEM BLACK -NOW
>>724235949The fact they're all boring ass designs makes them boringIn a fucking fantasy world and they're all fucking humanoidsLiterally only the golem and dog are the only remotely interesting ones and the dog isnt even a real party member
>>724235978Jump off a fucking bridge already, Gaider.
>>724236053name a fantasy series that make interesting non-humanoids
>>724232619Even if we pretend the creatura isn't there, that _costume_ is absolutely criminally hideous to look at. Just random fucking colors and blob for a shape. Utterly disgusting.
>>724236053so you're saying the nigpatrol in the game this thread is about aren't human? Uh, racist much? BIG YIKES
>>724236053Freakshit is not okay to have in games.
>>724236053I see this a lot of 4chan now, where absolute morons make demands of games that no other game has anyways as a way of trying to disparage a game >Who cares that 2077 has more enter-able buildings than GTA 5 and only a few less than Yakuza 7; the game sucks because I can't enter every single one (no game has this)! Why do you fucking retards do this?
>>724233989>>724235373Isn't this just in further reference to the overall capitalist themes of the game(s)? They did something very similar in the Secret Level episode. Basically the prosthetics are shit on purpose because it's bottom-of-the-barrel replacements for people who willingly test products and shit for companies for pennies.
>>724222450>ObsidianThey've never made a good game.
I mean they've been Obsidian in name only for years now. Who's even still there? Just Sawyer?
>>724223135why are they all the exact same height and body shape?
>>724236316Probably because 2077 is rancid dogshit and needs to actually stand out at something to be worth someone's time.
>>724236429sawyer havent worked on any of the recent releases either
>>724236445>instantly tries to move goalpostslooks like I clocked the faggot correctly
>>724232619>stained glass superarmor>cushioned lined interiorIs this some kind of blue collar guild? Like a farmers army or something like that?
>>724236327>it's supposed to be modeled like shit you see in 3DCGI online class b-because... uhh... IT'S LE COMMENTARY ON LE KAPITALIZMSHow convenient. I wasn't that first anon. My point is that they're including disabled people not because they thought of it and wanted it but because ESG guidelines reminded them and demanded it. And that's why it's so ill fitting and lazy. Bad models and worse art style. It's like Vitiligo.
>>724227465I would trust a raving hobo on the street corner before I ever trusted a game journo like SchrierHasn't he already been caught lying about how "successful" the new Assassins Creed was this year?
>>724236429>>724236479Urquhart is still there on paper but didn't work on Avowed or Outer Worlds 2 either.
>>724225876>rumors about peoples jobs something else entirelywat
>>724222450>journos and wokie trannies one bad day away from 41% itselves pushish 6 gorillion articles and tweets about le 666 double gorillion copies sold, take that chud!>studio quietly closes or fires 95% of its staff one month laterLmao. At this point they are the only ones retarded enough to still believe their own propaganda
>>724224583Kid, please. Remember LEGO Island?
>>724236316There's been games made in 1980's and 90's where you could enter every building.Also the main complain against CP77 is that it is not an RPG when they explictly promised an RPG.
It should have been realThat studio has been allowed to put out garbage for too longIt's time to pull the plug
>>724222659Common sense says yes, but CEOs, directors, etc, say no. Already went through it twice, and I won't let my current employers do it to me again, I'm taking off in a few months to do something completely different.Fuck Activision, fuck Capcom.
The Obsidian that made New Vegas hasn't existed for a decade. It's time to let go. Go watch Fallout Amazon season 2.
>>724236584I think you can use a pretty broad brush to call damn near anything "ESG guidelines" if you just ignore context. What's even the point? It's not like the disabled people are championed or some shit, they're constantly shit-on in lore. by both themselves and randoms around them.
>>724236604what makes you think that not trusting schreiber means you have to trust the hobo?
>>724235978his heterosexuality
>>724237308It feels quite a bit like when /v/ was mad about Lennie from Watchdogs 2 because she was a fat trans bulldyke. They called it DEI even though she was unapologetically evil, played up for jokes and hated by every single NPC. She had 0 redeeming qualities and even came back in a DLC to double down and play traitor AGAIN.Motherfuckers don't even play the games they're mad about. If they did they'd realize half of their fucking complaints in games are regarding characters that their opinions of are being actively vindicated by the games they hate.
>>724226346Those are European and Japanese studios, in Europe and Japan you can't simply fire people.In Europe obviously it varies by country but generally you need to justify that the company is losing money, not just a hiccup, but long term loss, or the employee fucked up big time to fire them.Otherwise, the employee can choose to sue you and a judge will force you to rehire that person.In Japan, companies literally don't fire people and just assign them no work so they quit themselves, because companies don't want to be firing people not only for legal reasons but to save face.In comparison, in the US in basically every single state except Montana have "at will employment" that allows the employer to fire people without legal repercussions except for discriminatory or retaliatory reasons.
>>724237640Making a character like that the villain does not excuse making a character like that.
>>724235878I hope that one day you will learn to judge people not by the color of their skin but the content of their character
>>724237640>Motherfuckers don't even play the games they're mad about. Listen to yourself. Do you have any idea how insane it is to require people to play games they hate? Games they're disgusted by? In a world with thousands of games those people DO like and enjoy? For what, just to verify if they hate it as much as they thought they did? That's nonsense. That would only make sense in a world that has almost no games in it so people are desperate to find something they like. That's not the world we live in. We live in a world where every person has more 10/10 games than they can beat in their entire lifetimes. Why, in such a world, would you even look twice at things you don't like the look of?
>>724222558I get very angry from hordes of tech illiterate armchair software developers that screech bethesda needs to ditch CE in favor of UE. CE is tailored for interactivity that no modern AAA come close to. Even Oblivion 20 years later still mogs modern rpgs to hell in back. Everything good about Bethesda games was enabled precisely because of CE. It's not CE fault Bethesda's management is so dogshit they can't plan around their tech. Slopfield is so dogshit it plays techincally worse than Oblivion, despite 20 years of upgrades. Modern Bethesda game made in UE will be soulless slop singularity.
>>724222558what blows my mind is that unreal has integrated physic and destruction engine, you just press one check boxand the game uses lumen lighting, some nothing is even baked therethey were just afraid players will mess up rooms and break the games
>>724237640Nta but i dropped watchdogs 2 midway trough because the overall structure of the game was so boring, didnt even get to LennieI dropped 1 too even though i was a bit more invested in the plot
>>724238087It really is fascinating to see how the progressive left went from "skin color doesn't matter" to "skin color is the ONLY thing that matters" in the span of a few decades and don't even acknowledge the shift.
>>724226563What THE FUCK is with nu-Obisidian and eye raping color palettes? I am not joking I am being 100% serious when I say I dropped Avowed because it hurt my eyes. This shit is so acidic I physically couldn't play it. OW1 was a little bit better, but I still had to get used to it.
>>724222450all of these fuckers tryhard especially the CEO dumb fuck cunt, they knew something like this will happen so why the fuck do they accept the buyout back then? You could just stay being single studio without merging with any big players but nope.
>>724238520Good aesthetics are problematic, or something.
>>724223135>3 women (?)>the only person with long hair is the space jeet lol
>>724238396> midway trough She is literally introduced at the exact midpoint of the game.
>>724238520I never played OW, but I think the environments are one of Avowed strong points. It has a lot of gorgeous locations and vistas.
>>724225876god the slime in that post from the same faggot who proudly claimed to his audience that veilguard broke the charts and then quietly deleted the post and his entire fucking twitter to run away to bluesky because of how false his reporting was.
>>724238520It's ableist to point out that the transbian lead artist is colorbind and schizophrenic and doesn't know what anything should look like. You're supposed to just quietly nod, accept that the company is going down and fill out job applications.
>>724238581>they knew something like this will happen so why the fuck do they accept the buyout back thenshort term profits
>>724238581>have stake in company>make it succesful>big company buy it for millions>you go for someone pretty well off to a millionaire>when a game fails it's no longer your problemThat's a pretty sweet deal, who wouldn't take it?
>>724228996>he doesn't want the news to affect the game's performanceThis. Everything Jason Schreier says is politically motivated.
>>724238281You can dislike plenty of shit you're tangetially involved in. But hate? Hate is a powerful emotion, it implies stakes. I don't "Hate" tomatoes just because they taste sour to me. I don't write endless blogposts in every /ck/ thread about how tomatoes are the enemy and i'm sick of tomatoes being in everything just because I don't care for them on a burger. People make it their life mission to notify everyone on the planet that weird characters who don't fit their narrow as fuck worldview hurt their feelings so bad that they're scratching software dev logos into manifestos. It's goofy.
>>724238843Integrity?
>>724222659No. Lmao. That would be better for the employees but it's less profitable. The shareholders come first.
>>724222558>my webms got turned into a fucking 3.97 640x720 gifbut WHY
Obsidian is working with enough budget for 1 AAA game that they split up between 3-4 AA projects
>>724222659>Wouldn't the sensible thing here be to maintain a normal-sized team and juggle them between projects as one nears completion?That's literally what Obsidian used to do too keeeeek
>>724236506Not interested in your strawman, you asked why people seek for things to care about in an objectively shit game, you were told the reason. Cry, cope, shit your pants, I don't care.
>>724222450GET WOKE GO BROKE BITCH HAHAHAHHAAOBSIDIAN TRANNY SHILLS LOST
I played through outer worlds 1 over the past 3 days because i wanted to play some mid slop rpg, i spent around 15 hours on it playing through the story and 2 dlcs and doing a few sidequestsi really hope obsidian dies, what an awful fucking game that was, people compare it to fallout but it's only really like old world blues DLC, and much worse and much more cringey.there were multiple dialogue choices that were literally just redditisms, shit like "you must be fun at parties"fucking hate that company now, fuck josh baseder.
At least they made Pentiment. They have my permission to fold now.
>>724222450>linking leddit
>>724230779we've been in a management crises since forever, i think it's do to the approach to labor right now being "shut the fuck up and be grateful you have a job" also lying to shareholders.
>>724222450We did it, reddit
This actually makes me sad despite what Obsidian has become in recent years. Many fond memories of their RPGs even before they were called Obsidian.This sucks. Fuck Microsoft and FUCK FEARGUS. Avellone was right about him 100%.
>>724222450It's fake, and even stupid Microsoft knows it would be a PR nightmare to lay off the *whole* damn studio behind FO:NV the day of a release.It's not about who are part of the studio now, it's symbolic. They had their ass served with how they handled Tango so be sure they'll lay off Obsidian more strategically (it's not the same for all studios tho..).
obsidian, bioware, bethesda deadcdpr halfway deadwarhorse sold out and will likely decline larian is overrated midowlcat is decent but also fairly midWRPGs are basically dead, and aside from fromsoft JRPGs are dead as well
>>724241948Name one actual consequence Microsoft suffered from laying off Tango.
>>724241727Caring about Obsidian is like giving a shit about Bioware. It's a zombie dev.
>>724226563This looks like that AI "game" that chat GPT made.
>>724241727Would have been nice seeing them make a non-broken version of Alpha Protocol before they go tits up.
>>724237308No anon, Type A and B are confirmed by Bamco and Tecmo to be ESG mandated. It's safe to state that Vitiligo and poorly implemented amputees are also part of it. In fact Blizzard slides confirm this.>>724237640Kill yourself.
>>724242865>for some reasonhe's an american jewish game journalist who looks like a rat
>>724242035resetera was very upset
>>724227465Schreier is a filthy jew. Of course I'm not going to trust him.
>>724222659If you were sensible, then you wouldn't have believed that retarded post up there.
>>724224431You mostly know how a game is going to sell long before it comes out.
>>724242035They haven't released a single good game since.
>>724224475The embracer strategy was to buy a bunch of failing studios so you look like you have more stuff when the Saudi's come knocking to buy your company. Except that the Saudi's ended up not buying their bloated trash heap, so then they had to close most of those failing studios.That wasn't a profit maximizing strategy, that was a pure gamble that failed. And you're dumb. Me? Super smart.
i genuinely can't believe how badly designed outer worlds 2 is. shotguns deal slightly less damage per pellet than most guns deal per shot. was obsidian another company that just completely abandoned QA
>>724243875>The close range weapon is good at close range>Fucking ObsidianWhat the fuck are you even crying about?
>>724222450Damn.I just hope this won't affect Grounded development.Its the only thing they make I give a shit about.
>>724232965The lamest prosthetics ever just let me wallow in my stumps bro
>>724244413Actually I wonder if Obsidian going tits up would force them to also give refunds to people who bought Grounded 2, given they bought it with the assumption it would be completed?
spiderweb software > obsidian
>>724245402It should on Steam at least.
>>724245978Thats some consolation at least. I just bought it a week ago.Shame. I really liked the first and the second was shaping up to just be more of an already good formula.
>>724246125Unless of course Microsoft does a Microsoft and just releases a random patch, calls it 1.0 the game is finished now, get fucked.
>>724224583It's because the current meta for businesses is to get a product out, then cut running costs and finally claim it's because AI has empowered their teams.
>>724227465>>>724222734exactly this. This board is literally filled with retards.and do the idiots who say that the guy debunking is woke and untrustworthy; while that may be true, the first red flag of this post should be the NO SOURCE.You fucking idiots.
>>724227465schreier also said veilguard was a huge success and then the devs got fired because it was actually a huge flop
>>724232665but you can swim in starfield
>>724247251the source is menow kys
>>724222450probably fake but wouldn't shock me if it's actually true. I would still give them one last chance and fallout new vegas 2 project before shutting them down.
>>724222450>https://www.reddit.com
>>724247251See the problem is that when you have 2 choices>Do the most retarded thing possible>Do the smart thing for the business outside the next quarterHow is anyone supposed to think that Microsoft would ever choose the second option?
>>724247517wanna put 5k of ETH into a smart contract? I'll bet on it. You don't got the balls because you don't know shit faggot.
>>724226346none of the studios you listed are americanamerimutts follow slash and burn style of project developmentits as dumb as it was back when ngubus did it for agriculture in africa
>>724235726Oghren & Shale banter ftw :D the dwarf was funny no matter who the other one was desu, and the whole cast was fascinating
>>724222450Still not enough. I need way more than that.
I only play chinese games
>>7242476682 choices? Have you ever run a company? When do you ever have only 2 choices? Literal room level IQ in this thread.
>>724247474Schreier is a lying rat, nothing he says is to be taken at face value
>>724247831Go ahead and tell me all the other options outside of fire everyone or don't fire everyone.
>>724224304in the trailer they brag about it to your face there is no romance
>/v/ is this gullible JFC
>>724247716cringe
>>724248040thats what I thought
>>724247654should be a bannable offense, how do we teach these zoomer kids our culture if there are no (few) strict rules everyone should abide?
YOU'RE ONE IN A MILLIONYEAH THAT'S WHAT YOU AREYOU'RE ONE IN A MILLION BABEYOU'RE A SHOOTING STAR
>>724248098kill yourself for buying ETH alone desu
>>724223051holy shit
>>724238520I tried playing OW1 but I think it's the ugliest game I've ever played. I can't fathom the lack of taste someone would have to make that frap let qlone want to sit through and play it
>>724228446Avowed debut at 13k and hit 19k at release. Something like 15k-16k seems likely considering TOW2 is at 10k right now.
>>724248621i forced myself through it and finished it today, it really is ugly as fuck all the way through, every planet looks the same except for the barren rocky planet.almost every woman has boyish short hair, probably around 50% of the characters in it have dyed hair (pink, red blue etc not like bleached or dyed black or whatever)american left wing scum have zero taste
>>72422844624,712 -> Highest number it will reach. SS this.
>>724238281There are plenty of ugly, disgusting characters that are clearly meant to be the bad guy in successful works of fiction and games. Seems like a skill issue to me.
>>724222825>I have finished making a game and now my job is done. How could this happen to me?
>>724222450I'm having a blast!
game dev workers seem to think they are entitled to working at one company for 40 years with a project going at all timesthat's not what the american economy wants
>>724222450>devs exist only to make one game and are never to be used againThanks for reaffirming worsening industry norms that herds like you thoughtlessly agreed with.Next you'll agree Indians using AI make better games.
>>724222825>>724222450>hire plumber to fix something>he fixes it>he wants to stay in my home and continue to get paid>say no>get cancelledWe truly live in a society.
>>724252236Woops meant for >>724222825I need sleep.
>>724222558I'm convinced that havok is solely responsible for the elder scrolls success. The simple act of giving physics to almost every object and making clutter items you can pick up and place in your house is such a big immersion feature that it overshadows how shit they are as RPGs.
>>724239070Because the sound is over a minute long and the .webm would have to match it in length. With. gif they play independently.
>>724222450>makes the physical PS5 version of OW2 a 1.32 GB download code on a discNot that i ever had any intention of touching this but still, they get what they fucking deserve.
>>724233669What if they are adopting the "we spent 70m on this but only got 30m in return, this shit doesn't work" industry standard, you expert?
>>724236739They are one of the few Microsoft studios that can shit out a game in less than 10 years, so as long as MS thinks having filler for their gamepass is important they should be fine, even if their games are barely selling.
>>724238581The issue for Obsidian right now is that they aren't making enough money. The reason why they were more than happy to sell it was because Obsidian wasn't making enough money. You retard.
>>724231774I had a guy tell me he was sexually attracted to Gravemind recently.
>>724238967>>724238843>>724238790Most studios sell because they are having financial issues. The exception being multi-billion deals for big stuff.
>>724232965George Droid
It's just project work but at the same time, you're losing so much talent after each project is over. Why not have something else to sign them up for?
at work several of our windows 11 pcs kept getting event bar ads from microsoft themselves advertising avowed. my workplace has nothing to do with games, anything nerdy, and is generally a bunch of old fucks that would never even consider playing a video game. made me laugh thinking about how bad the game flopped.
>>724242021>WRPGs are basically deadYou'll feel proper foolish once Underrail 2 comes out in 2039.
>>724254651loli found this when i googled thathttps://www.amazon.com/George-Droid-Fentanyl-David-DukeNukem-ebook/dp/B0F498JJTX
Jason Made up half the blizzard story so idc
>>724238313CE cant handle brown/mystery meat folk, an integral part of the rpg experience.
>>724222450Playing a pirated version right now, and everyone seems like a generic hr-written character. there is no personality. At least from the first one I remember the scientist that revived you, the evil saltuna cannery boss, a shifty corpo type on groundbreaker, and the old lady on ground breaker that sends you on a fetch quest so you could land on a condemned colony. In here, everything is unmemorable
>>724222450what do they need them for if the game is considered finished
>>724254715im only getting nu-doom ads in my work pc
>>724256887I like the fighting mechanic and the healing mechanic though. I have to use dlss for a decent framerate
>>724257481But compared to bethesda slop, there isn't as many loading screens, and it loads fairly fast.
But I still hate the "main character" feeling in outer worlds 2. Basically that's been the feeling in every bethesda or modern obsidian game. I really like how in fallout new vegas, you were a nobody courier and after you got shot, you were just set free with "find the platinum chip" and you could do anything you wanted in the open world along the way.
>>724226496It is not enough, right now they can pump the stock basically with any news of how AI makes games for them and how copilot change gayming
>>724257716Starfield's loading screens were generally like 3-4 seconds tops.
>>724226337no wonder it can't be cut then
>>724222558I'm always impressed by the retards who think sending chairs and pottery flying through the room by slightly bumping into them is peak atmosphere.
>>724228446I like how it learned nothing from OW1, Starfield or BG3.Absolute time capsule game.
>>724228581You joke but this is what management actually believes. I had an epiphany the other day after reading the latest obviously fake resume that HR sent for review, that middle management actually believes the total BS resumes that come out of there, which is why they forward them to us. They legitimately believe there's an entire subcontinent of untapped talent that's equally as good yet also willing to work for half price, and in that context their actions make sense.
>>724236053Then why did you specify the fact that they were White?You just hate White people.
>>724223135This
>>724263775But you didnt do anything?!Why are you smiling?! WHY?!
