with a bunch of mishmashed features from past better games, bugs, and lesbian advisors for some reasoni personally will probably wait a week before pirating and wont be getting my hopes up at all
It's Paradox Magnum Opus.Give it a year and it decimates their older games.I would always stay away from PDX games during their initial launch.
>>724230813i am ready to rape the balkans day 1
I'm just really worried about the slow down late game. The pop system causes Vicky to slow down to a crawl.
>>724230813Is this an official image? Did they really use blatant AIshit to advertise their game?
>>724230813It's going to be kino, but only after a couple years of expansions and patches. Stellaris was that way. Crusader Kings 3 was that way. Europa Universalis IV was that way. Crusader Kings 2 was that way. It's not going to be a Victoria 3 situation.
>>724230934Vic3 and imperator still suck years after release and they've only been enshittifying their last magnum opus with subsequent updates sadly imo. At least the AI is a lot better though which stops me from reverting eu4 Steam when I do decide to pick it up.ck3 isn't awful but I just find it boring idk..the mods for it are also nowhere near as interesting or fleshed out five years later as the same mods for ck2
>>724231249Imperator doesn't suck anymore. Have you played it recently? It's probably their best "base" game which is why I'm very optimistic about EU5 because it seems to be Imperator set in a better time period.The only issue with Imperator anymore is that the time period sucks ass
I kind of want to get this so I can play a EU game starting on the ground floor and I can learn the game at the same speed as the community rather than having to sift through a million outdated tutorials and dropping $500 all at once for the DLC s that change core game mechanics that the aforementioned tutorials assume you have.
>>724231483pls just pirate the dlcs jeez
There's no possibility of it being good, right? Every single game they've made except for EU4 is less fun than doing my taxes.
>>724231585Paradox haven't made an actually good fucking GSG since Hoi2 days.It's going to be memeslop schizo alt-hist shit for bullied teenagers with lots of buggy rushed crappy DLCs as usual.>>724231224> It's not going to be a Victoria 3 situation.Cope. Also>Stellaris>Good
>>724232178Ok this is going a little too far, their last good game was stellaris or hoi4...whichever came last but they just kept adding too many slop mechanics to these which gradually made them worse
>>724231585I think it's an improvement over eu4. You have to manage your economy, estates, cabinet etc. Technology looks more interesting(no free war with mil tech 5). There is more flavor for countries than release eu4. You cant just blob for free. There are sliders from eu3. Im cautiously optimistic
>>724230813I haven't paid any attention to the dev diaries but I wonder how they've handled tech levels this time, and how easy it is to WE WUZ as the western African tags, especially everyone's favorite real life Wakanda in Mansa Musa's Mali.
Is Egypt more viable during this era? Seems like the lull between the Mongol and Ottoman invasions.
>>724232240Hoi4 was a medicore game that was hard carried by modding ecosystem. But it just got bloated over the years rather than properly developed because they keep shitting out poorly thought out garbage DLCs that add half baked mechanics and shitty alt hist paths that mods do a lot better anyway. I would say it peaked around Man the Guns - No Step back era and haven't really gone to anywhere since then.It is basically proven that Stellaris team has no idea what they are doing with wasting dev time by constantly overhauling everything, never sticking to any coherent vision and not bothering with fixing the problems the game has in the process.I haven't bothered checking the latter at all for years but I strongly doubt the situation changed.Hoi2 in contrast was a tight and much more coherent game (not saying perfect) because it wasn't released quarter-way functional the way Hoi4 did and didn't rely on DLC slop development.
>>724230813Slop? SLOPPA SLOPPY SLOPE SLOOOOOP SLAPPO SLAPPY SLOPOhaha internet word xDD le funneh this guy uses internet guise x9001 xDDD
>>724230813The base game for this looks like the best base game Paracucks has released in years. Shit maybe since Victoria II. For the first time in a long time I'm actually kind of excited, just waiting for actual reviews to confirm. If I end up getting it my first game's probably gonna be as France so I can RP conquering Britain and turning them French. Not because I hate the British, I just find the idea of Britain as an insular extension of France to be really funny.
>>724232815I don't know about in-game mechanics but The mamluk sultanate was very prestigious and influential in the mediterranean during the games start date. Even in eu4 , during their collapse, mamluks are broken if you have their designated dlc
>>724232936slop is confirmed 'an lingo
>>724231079based and Osman pilled
>>724230813Ready and waiting. Just preordered the Deluxe Edition and taking the whole week off work to play.
Won't Poland be super strong since they historically escaped the black death? Or is the new meta to start trading with Poland intentionally to fuck them over?
>>724233167I mean yeah, historically Poland ended up really going crazy after the Black Death passed and reached the height of its power just a couple hundred years later.
>>724233167Wasn't the meme about them avoiding black death due to no source material? So Poland was a black void in the maps on black death because nobody wrote what happened.
>>724231224Victoria 3 never became good and they killed Imperator before it could become good as well. About Imperator I'm actually genuinely mad because that game had potential, whereas Victoria 3 was shit the moment they announced that they'd be scrapping warfare entirely.
>>724233167they were historically and i hope they will be early game but i really hope the partitions are hard coded because im not fighting a blobbed lategame plc again
The rquality of lerally every video game ever made is defined ENTIRELY by how emergent its gameplay is, and EU5 is the very first game where paradox actually tries to implement emergent systems instead of just relying on retarded scripted events. Ergo it's the first Paradox game that actually has any potential of being decent.
>>724233637pretty sure they don't do hardcoded events anymore
>>724233592No, it's because they imposed by far the most drastic border controls in Europe at the time. Poland was a fully literary society by then, it's absurd to claim they just wrote nothing about it.
>>724231224>It's going to be kino>Stellaris was that way. Crusader Kings 3 was that way. Europa Universalis IV was that way. Crusader Kings 2 was that way.lollmao
>>724233736well make some faggot situation like it is for anatoliasame for late game spain with their retarded coloniessame for the fucking turks
>>724233809Poland kind of got rekt in the Deluge so all the source material could've just poofed out of existence.
>>724232240GoY4 is a downgrade from HoI3 in literally every way.
>>724231224>crusader kings>victoria>good
>>724233715I agree, however we should also recognize that's completely the opposite of how EU4 worked and that was / is their most popular title by far. SO I think it's understandable why so much of the fanbase is upset at the new game. It represents a departure from what they've enjoyed and even if /real gaymers/ like you and me will enjoy EU5 more because of the emergent gameplay it's entirely possible it will flop because the map painting autists don't like it and that's the actual main audience of the game. If it flops PDX may be forced to re-introduce the railroad bullshit we're complaining about.It's also possible the game is good enough to force the autists to see the light regarding EMERGENT gaymplay.I'm optimistic as well but I shan't be buying for at the very least 2 of your earth years.
>>724230813that timelapse video killed any chance of me even taking a look at this game
>>724234048I think you've been scammed. There are multiple timelapses out there, several of which show much more interesting outcomes.
>>724234072Abysmal bordergore isn't any better than nothing happening.
>>724234041But the emergent gameplay is what lends itself best to map painting. In EU4 if you paint off the beaten path of history and don't fulfil the hardcoded triggers for the event chains there was absolutely no flavour, no dynamic behaviour. It's why they had to shit out billions of mission tree DLCs over the course of the game's lifespan so blobbing in alt-history ways isn't pure boring dogshit.
>>724234289I'm not shitting on map painting per se.Iam shitting on the people (possibly like you) who seem obsessed with "flavour" which you've incorrectly equated with "dynamic behavior"In fact those are opposite aspects. What emergent gameplay creates IS dynamic behavior that...emerges... from choices the play makes NOT from click to win choose your own story bullshit "flavour"Dynamic, emergent, gameplay requires the player to use their imagination to fill in the gaps and paint the story of their nation themselves rather than rely on some paragraph of text reminding you "The river just flooded now is a good time to invade poland do not pass GO do not collect $200 dollars" or whatever.
>>724234694>In fact those are opposite aspects.You are quite literally retarded.
>>724234848ad hominem is the most retarded argument style, especially on an anonymous internet forum
>>724234889>I present opinionated, unsubstantiated statements as axioms. Debate me.No, retard.
>>724235063This another ad hominem.
>Leader Potrait
>>724235089Too bad, so sad. Blow me, retard.
>>724231224>StellarisWtf are you talking about? Stellaris was great at the launch and got castrated into vic 3 tier abomination with each new patch and dlcYou could literally choose from 5 space travel options at release and now you only got star lines bullshit It's bloated to hell yet every fucking run plays the same way
>>724235253I do find it funny you got this triggered over realizing that railroaded flavor is the literal opposite of dynamic emergent gameplaySometimes I forget just how superior I am to the average retard on this rock. Then I encounter one (like you) and get a little taken aback by just how beneath me you are.
>>724235434I do find it funny that you're retarded.
>>724231224CK3 is still awful and paradox has no idea how to make the game good just bloat it more with garbage event spamming
>>724235350yeah, I completely got turned off to playing Stellaris, eu4, hoi4, cause the devs just have this retarded idea that more is better so adding a billion irrelevant buttons, a billion focuses, some super speshul ottoman troop type that only they can get if you press this other new hidden button is somehow good.
the only concerns I have for the game are the performance and AI at launch. Everything about the new systems and mechanics tells me this game is a complete evolution of the game rather than just EU4 2. However learning a whole new grand strategy game will be a challenge for me personally lol
EU5 will suck, I'll just keep playing 4.
>>724231249Imperator got dropped way too early.Vicky 3 was an abortion from the moment they showed their daring new mechanics. Cannot be salvaged.I believe EUV will be a mess at launch but the core mechanics seem solid and modders have loads of possibilities to improve it.Nothing prevents it from being a great title.
Don't care. Already preordered the premium edition for 28k KZT. I love Kazakhstan, bros.
>niggas think CK3 is badhow contrarian and edgy, big updoots good sir!!Victoria 3 ain't bad either, EU5 shall be a far more faithful sequel of Victoria 2 however, I fully expect a Victoria mod for EU5 to be one of the most popular mods.
>>724237890I know your dad's trip to to the milk store weighs on your heart but this desperate shitposting in a bid for any crumb of attention is not a healthy coping mechanics. I can be your father for today if you need a shoulder to lean on. But eventually you'll have to move beyond your trauma on your own.
>frogpostershan't give a (you)
>>724230813How long is a single campaign going to take from start to end date? I get the impression the game is going to be slower paced with more to manage than their other games, which I assume the real fans will be happy about, but I think I am too old/busy at this point for it. Me from 10 years ago would have been cautiously optimistic for the game
>>724237890speaking of CK3. I'm waiting for the expansion to drop on Tuesday.
>>724237023>bordergore
>>724238229Don't close your heart to the world my son. Time may heal many wounds but isolation is a rot of the mind.
>>724230813>lesbian advisorsReally? Tell me more
>>724238432Paradox fucked up releasing a major dlc and EU5 basically a week apart, I'll barely have enough time to fully try out all the new government types in the DLC
>>724237890I own every expansion for CK3 except for cosmetics and monuments. After >2k hours I can confidently say that this game is boring. There is nothing to do, you have to entertain yourself. That would be fine if the core gameplay was well thought out, but it isn’t.
>>724238450Unfortunately snaking is often the optimal way to play because it allows me to take all of the most valuable provinces in a single peace deal. I'll try to clean up a bit before I finish this playthrough. I still want to:>kill Poland (they have just a few provinces left, unfortunately they joined the HER)>carve a path through Pomerania to join up my Danish possessions with my Polish ones>conquer all of Persia and China>kick the Ottomans out of Anatolia and enlarge my Syrian vassal
I think Victoria 3 is fine in its current state. Not great, not even like 1/4 as good as it COULD have been, but fine. This weirdly looks more like a proper Victoria 2 sequel than 3 ended up being lol.
so what's the difference between this and IV?
>>724240073More immersive and dynamic cuckoldry events. This is just lines of text. It does nothing for me without knowing how my hotwife, bull and cuck look like.
