Have you come to terms with it yet, /v/? Have you stopped being a spiritual boomer yet?
is it f2p yet
the only thing retail has on classic is more female tauren customization.and thats only half true since private servers can port that in anyway.
>>724237174no, and it's not coming anytime soon, Pedro
semen hunters look like that now??
classic is a sandboxretail is a hamster wheel
>>724238343this has never been the case you retarded boomer freak the game has always been a theme park
>>724236865You need to accept that both are dog shit
if you play WoW in any form you should be involuntarily euthanized
>>724236865I don't play MMO slop.
I can't play anymore after 19 yearsThat said, even if I played again, I'd never touch retail. The whole thing looks like Disney color vomit and exaggerated vfx
>>724238343>>724238436Classic is a multiplayer gameRetail is single player.Classic will always be a better experience.
>>724238436enjoy your dailies and your check lists, zoom zoom
>>724236865I accept the reality that WoW hasn't been good for 2 decades. That includes Classic that fakes being like the 2005 release.
>>724236865i have like 500 hours in private servers and the only ones i actually play in for some 2 years now are post cataclysm, classic is not for me
WoW hasn't been good since 1999
And by "better" and "Classic" you mean what? I wouldn't play vanilla (seeing as that the best part of it, the Azeroth leveling experience, is strictly better in TBC and on the net better in Wrath - vastly increased power levels being an arguable downside), and I especially wouldn't play it on Blizzard's "Classic" servers, which represent some of the worst implementations of WoW 1.x content where it counts (certainly, they have 99% of the functionality implemented in the databases "correct", but it matters less to me that Lieutenant Valorcall has the correct 49-65 damage range or that there's an NPC in Thunder Bluff lighting up braziers at night than that the server is soundly managed and admins can deal with issues like bots, faction balance, artificial patch progression schedule, etc, while making necessary #changes and staying away from retarded, bad, #changes... and some contemporary pservers get those kinds of details correct anyway).Indeed, I wouldn't really want to play ANY "blizzlike" version of the game, so by the standard of "would I play it", they're equal. You could then disregard the matter of actually playing and look at the artistic merits (including the crafts of game design and programming), and then there's no question about the superiority of legacy-versions. Or you could accept we're not talking about any given implementation and allow for toying around the core design (just like Classic, which has a boatload of differences to 1.x versions as they existed in retail), and while vanilla isn't very good for that (for 1.x content you'd be better off level-locking TBC or Wrath: vanilla can be improved by e.g. buffing bosses by some 100% - which doesn't make them challenging and basically never can because vanilla mechanics don't allow for high-execution tactics, but at least they'll get to use their abilities and feel more like bosses), WoW 11 is fundamentally unsound and can't be fixed by tweaking numbers, while I WOULD play on a good custom server.
>Vulperatranny making another bait threadI rather mod skyrim for the millionth time and still have fun
>>724236865Well I thought WoW went to shit during TBC so no. As soon as flying mounts were added the game got significantly worse. On top of that, nowadays WoW isn't an MMO at all, it's just a lobby simulator.
>>724242845Which is exactly why a bunch of WoW babies are playing that Fellowship game, because it also isn't an MMO and just throws you into lobbies to do instanced dungeon-esque content.
>>724243112AvH should had never existed, it exists because Tom Chilton is a faggot.If not for that it would be a FFA deathmatch PVP, which is better.
>>724236865Bait used to be believable.The biggest cope that I've seen from Retail shitters is that you get to press buttons more, and that pressing the buttons in the order YouTube told you to is supposedly hard.
Not giving blizzard money, havent done so since early wotlk because I dont have batterd wife syndrome.
Classic feels like a dark fantasy game where you play a mortalRetail is where you get to enjoy being an immortal demigod - every basic warrior is a thor-like thunder god. I'm enjoying my one-button rotation where I only have to map my ogc. I fly around and save the fucking world every minute. it's a pretty relaxed experience. Sometimes I play wotlk on a private server and enjoy the experience of a single wolf being a life or death situation.
>>724236865TRUTH TSAR BOMBA
Is it true that this game is filled with lgbt shit and the story is trash now?
>>724244934Yes, courtesy of former glowies and californian mob unions
>>724244332wow in it's entire existence has never felt like a dark fantasy game what the actual fuck are you talking about
>Wrath turns the dungeons into AoE slop where threat and mana don't matter anymore and only the boss fight is kind of interesting>Cataclysm tries to pull this back a bit to the old TBC standard, but immediately caves and turns it into AoE slop again>Eventually quit>Literally every video of new WoW dungeons from this point forward make them look like AoE slop>Retail shitters swear that this is not what its like and its just those videos because its really top tier players or something >Game comes out that is basically just Retail-style M+ dungeons>Give it a try since it apparently lets me go straight to the """good""" content without the grind>It's AoE slop>The shitters playing this game tell me that it must be because I'm on a low bracket>Look at videos of higher bracket players>It's AoE slopI feel like the Retail shitters having been trying to offload their sunk cost fallacy onto other people for decades now. Like, they NEED people to tell them that the game is amazing and not AoE slop.
>>724245662Before TBC, the RPG books were canon as supplemental stories, we only got "eh the books are not canon" after the cocaine got high at their brains with the quick success.Blizzard committed the same mistake that killed DnD post 4e, Hiring retards to do inhouse shit and no one to keep a tab on the lore.>>724245856Why do TBCtrannies loves to lie this much.AoE Faggotry began in MoP
>>724245662I think anon is a Zoomer who thinks games where you're just a nobody adventurer roughly on par with the monsters your fighting instead of a demigod slaying them in their thousands is "dark fantasy."
>>724245967I played Wrath.It was AoE slop.
>>724245967wow is very much high fantasy, there is nothing dark about it.
>>724245662>wow in it's entire existence has never felt like a dark fantasy game what the actual fuck are you talking aboutIt's not "Dark" but it's more grounded. Most classes struggle if you accidently manage to pull two mobs at once.
>>724246426this has nothing to do with whether or not something is dark fantasy or not you absolute fucking retard, dark fantasy is a genre not a fucking difficulty slider.
>>724236865>Accepting the Reality That Blizzard is Gone and WoW is Dead and Buried
haven’t played retail since shadowlands. I just learned specs are going to be a lot more classic like in midnight. I will now play your game
I wish I could recommend playing WoW. It's good for a couple weeks but eventually you hit this boring mark. It's a mark where Blizzard expects you to Raid, PVP, or M+. The issue with that is that these modes are going to completely change because combat addons are being removed in Midnight.
>>724246170>SlopZoomer spottedI played the entirety of wrath, and there was no AoE shitshow, this retarded meta was forced everywhere in MoP.Even Classic became a AoE Shitshow because everyone copied what MoP Did and spread everywhere, even at Pservers.>>724246287i said nothing about dark.Warcraft was always high fantasy, and blizzard never neglected that War3 paladins were inspired on Warrior Priests of Sigmar who were released in 2000 with the new WHFB codex, since the early betas of war 3 still had mounted hammer and board paladins like warcraft 2 and classic DnD
>spawn>kill 12 boars, get 10 cloth from X enemy corpse>repeat >get into dungeon literally no way to fail if you and the other 4 have a working brain and are not with physical disability >max level>endgame is a online job be here 20:00 at friday do some shit raid where, again if your not retarded and decent at vidya you literally cant fail >do this every weeek >when you finally get X items proceed to the other online raid job.
>>724246896>i said nothing about dark.if youre not >>724244332then why are you replying to me like you are.
>>724236865I never played wow back in the old days because $15/month + base game + expansion(s) in back then money was absurd. I tried classic but I didn't feel anything and no amount of streamer hype made me like the game. I did play maplestory when I was a kid though so I am looking forward to maplestory classic.
>>724246567>this has nothing to do with whether or not something is dark fantasy or not you absolute fucking retard, dark fantasy is a genre not a fucking difficulty slider.1: I'm not the guy you were originally responding to2: what he said made sense to me, so you can fuck off.
>>724246940>beat the raid job on the normal difficulty for normal humans mode>raid manager suddenly wants everyone to do it again except on the harder "I don't have a job or other interests" difficultyI was out of there so fast. I actually don't get the appeal of doing hard mode in a video game but with 15 other people.
>>724246896The *dungeons* were AoE slop in Wrath. The raids were Mario Party.
>>724236865>Have you come to terms with it yet?Yes but retail lore is still beyond repair and that's the thing that hurts the most>>724238923Singleplayer games > multiplayer games
>>724246567>>724246104>>724245662the fuck do you mean it never was?The entire forsaken experience is definitively a dark fantasy experience. The blood elf leveling zone where you slowly watch a tranquil elven homeland transitions into an undead apocalypse, while they sink into demon worship and capture an angel to sap its life, that's metal.You probably think dark fantasy can only be Berzerk or a Frank Frenzetta pinup. Dark fantasy is more than jsut fear and hunger. And Wow at least up until wotlk was a dark fantasy game, and that's undeniable you fucking moron.
>>724245856Your right. Giving every character every ability (Thus also tons of aoe) made the content also into aoe spam.>>724246896You are right. Gold mode dungeons created the aoe meta. Running through the whole dungeon and pulling as much as possible and "kite" while your dps cucked along.I tanked most of it but i hated the meta. Wotlk usually didnt have packs bigger than 3 in dungeons. And some classes didnt have aoe that wouldent hit more than 2 to 4 targets.This is why timed dungeons were a mistake. Instead of cranking up the difficulty and just base the difficulty around deaths.This also solves the fucking retarded invis pot skipping meta that came later.
>>724246287It became high fantasy during Cata, before that it was still dark fantasy.
Dungeons are the only fun part of WoW to me. Is there an MMO that is just dungeons?
They're completely different games that fill completely different niches.
>>724247881Fellowship?
>>724239195classic dailies include farming DM, transmutes and then logging out until raid night
>Guild's dead>Realm's dead-ish>Pugging Dimensius/Saldahar is a gambling session where you need to wait for all the retarded pugs to filter out to have an actual shot>Try to become officer and pull in new blood with Remix but all the new blood are asocial types who just wanted the 15 minute hearthIs this how it starts? Am I finally being freed?
>>724248269"Classic dailies" are rolling a new character because the leveling experience is actually fun.
>>724248593tbf this is probably the absolute worst state retail WoW has ever been in>lemix is dying already>nobody wants to do m+ this season for a variety of reasons>midnight gutting the game has everyone doomingthis is worse than 15 months of HFC
>>724236865the gameplay is shitthe visuals are nice
>>724249123those retards caved for the poopsock crowd, and are still caving for them, normalfags moved to private or even other gamesand they still insist on subscription when fucking TESO taught everyone you dont need that, just tmog, multiplat, housing and convenience to survive
is the campaign fun in world within?
>>724249662not really. the earthen quests are neat ig
>>724236865No, Lord of the Rings Online used to be my main MMO, my World of Warcraft. The only thing I've come to terms with is that even an OG like me can't play that game. Literally too much content, literally too much bloat. I'd rather play the vanilla version of that (that I wasn't there for)
>>724249379TESO is basically unplayable if you don't sub to eso+also that game is YEARLY expansions on top of DLC
>>724236865not going to play/buy anything WoW related as long as i'm forced to make a "body type a" character
>>724245856Removing all AoE damage spells would fix a bunch of wows problems
>>724236865It's not, not even the same game anymore.
>>724236865Play a different video game for once in your life you fucking freak
>>724249662fuck no, retail questing is incredibly boring and brain dead easy, there's no sense of adventure or risk involved
reminder to any retard on the fence about resubbing>blizzard added a one button rotation feature>it only reduces max dps by 15-20%>if you arent a top 20% parsefag you WILL be told by your raid lead to press the one buttonFuck this dogshit, its no longer an mmorpg, its an esport
>>724249662it hasnt been fun since cataclysm because it is the same mindless, braindead on rails, mass pull, get quests done in 5 minutes, turn them in and repeat kind of experienceif you enjoyed that, you will probably enjoy that just as muchjust now you have short women with beards
Agree. making the flying mount fly like a plane was the greatest change they made
>>724236865not playing your game ran by fags, women and beta cucks
>>724255547>run by womenat least they molest them
>Consider subscribing to play Midnight at launch just to experience a modern wow expansion launch since I never played anything past Cataclysm when I unsubbed>Remember pic related I can't give retail a cent, it would be like rewarding them for this.
>>724239782500 hours? So you just hit max level?
>>724257725Reaching max level in neo-WoW with a fresh character (no heirlooms) and through "broadly efficient" play is, what, 10 hours? And I would assume that most or all post-MoP private servers have increased experience rates because the content isn't in a pristine shape.
>>724245856>um aoe in dungeons is bad because uhm it just is m'kay sweetieYou classhit NPCs are absolutely fucking deranged, what are you even babbling aboutEmbarrassing to even look at kek
>>724260487theres a certain truth to itclassic is a timesink and people with a lot of time will get more out of it, and often these are jobless peoplehowever that still makes it a better gameto make everything go faster and require less time also makes it a more shallow gaming experience>repeating the same grinds, doing the same bullshit you're still doing that in every expansion, even more so, because the game incentivizes you to run the same content over and over with things like mythic dungeons
>>724260487>the game is all about hitting max level and doing endgame shit>thinking Retail has less grind that Vanilla>actually believing that the appeal of Vanilla was the grind>still trying to deny that Retail dungeons are AoE slop, even though this is what anyone will see if they look up a video of people doing these dungeons, and there's even a new game out based entirely on Retail WoW's M+ dungeons, and it is clearly AoE slop gameplay, which anyone can see pretty much immediatelyThe absolute state of Retail shitters.
>>724260487That's exactly what caused the downfall of MMORPGs. This idea of revamping the entire premise and identity of MMORPGs for people who don't have time to play, or for people who have grown up, have families, but still want to play.MMORPGs are a game for the lifeless weirdo...Not anymore, because casual gamers, with their nigger mentality, want to play the damn game.
>>724237174yesyou pay the monthly subscription for classic and you get retail access for free
>>724261386You didn't need to be a no lifer to play classic MMOs. You just needed to accept that you would never be a top tier player, and most people weren't. There were *some* early MMOs that punished players for not being no lifers, but those were very early and extremely niche. Especially after Everquest, MMOs weren't really this ultra-competitive environment where you needed full BIS gear outside of a couple of guilds.Of course, the gaming atmosphere back then was very different in general, and the fact that these competitive guilds existed at all was often fodder for jokes about what kind of no-life loser takes a video game that seriously.
>>724261386>>724262815Like, Blizzard did some kind of study during TBC and found that only something like 3% of players were even doing the raids. People just weren't tryharding the game at all.One of the big changes that Wrath brought was attempts to get everyone to do the raids and have an even harder established "this is the official, real gameplay" standard.
