The man who made aeriths theme, mako reactor, let the battles begin is speaking. You sit down and you listen https://youtu.be/ujrn-yfo8Ts
he should ask an AI to find some better midi samples
>infinity billion studies that AI use turns you into a drooling retard>already known for decades that intellectual pursuits of any kind are a "use it or lose it" situation and if your skills aren't constantly sharpened you will lose them, talent basically does not exist, they only practiced from an earlier age>aforementioned drooling retards keep insisting AI will propel us into a creative platinum age because they can feel the bubble bursting and they do not want to be the ones holding the bag
>Japanese man has never used Nvidia GPUtruthnobody bought a PS3they bought a 360(Radeon)
>>724244051no one cares what the dinosaur thinks
>>724244051I could've sworn this dude died back in 2021
I'm playing games where people put their hard work in and design everything meticulously and AIjeets want me to be happy at a potential future where I'm playing games where people roll dices with algorithms until they go "Good enough"I'm speaking entirely from a consumer's point of view: AIslop does not benefit me.
>>724244331he was sick but he's better now. covid was happening.
>>724244331mr miyagi died in 2005
AI support would disappear over night on this board if flags were enabled. Brown technology used exclusively by poos.
>>724244198the internet gave every peasant retard a soap box and a platformsuddenly every brown and zoomer thinks they have a qualified opinion from watching a 5 hour youtube essay.
>>724244575your art is shit, no one wants to gen your shit so relax
>>724244051video games should use AI tor fluid physics in 3D environments and stuff like that, they literally never got this right in all this time
>>724244612kek, he triggered the thirdie
>>724244198Yeah well, some brown person will start spamming the thread with samey derivative slop for 200 posts and then you'll look stupid
>>724244709>he was triggered about the ai slop being superior than what he can output and now pretends it was someone elsemany such cases
>>724244198>>infinity billion studies that AI use turns you into a drooling retardshow me one.
>>724244051>guy who worked before [tool] was released never used [tool]>now that [tool] is out he's already retired so he will never use itAnd I'm sure you'll find some 90 year old writer who says he never used any of those newfangled peecees and wrote everything on a typewriter. What of it?
>>724244835didnt read your llm-slop comment, rajesh
>>724245021you sound mad, tyrone
>>724245071ummm no axtually you are mad, saar
>>724244931Please tell me you see the irony in this state and/or you are just joking
>>724245105don't you have some cotton to pick?
>>724245129dont you have a train to get hit by
>>724245196I'm not japanese so no?
>>724244051>old man screams at clouds
i'm posting this and going back to playing runescapeenjoy
>>724245281>"y-you have to struggle to create it...or...or it's not good">it sounds exactly the same or better when generated>"b-but it lacks soul..."lol
>>724245225japs don't invade western websites to shit it up like indians so I already knew that
>>724245424>it sounds exactly the same or better when generatedhow conceited this line is is kind of an encapsulation of the fart-huffing AI bro attitude innit>it's literally the same except i'm not a talentless fucking loser who doesn't know how to play an instrument!!!
>>724245424>subhuman with no soul or talent's opinion on soul and talentthats very interesting I'm glad you posted your unqualified opinion
>>724244198Actual skilled and honest artists all look down on AI simply because they understand the nuances of what makes art good and what kind of work ethic is needed to make something good. It's actually much simpler than that. People who don't create anything don't think about it in the first place. How many average people you know who buy shit but never think once about how it was produced? It's non-existent levels of awareness or curiosity.
>>724244051I respect Nobuo for the music he's made but I don't agree the takes I've seen of his that he's had over the years.In regards to AI, I don't agree with him since I find using AI rewarding and that's as simple as that conversation goes lol. It's like one man saying he likes chocolate ice cream and another one saying he likes vanilla. It must be really cool to have made so many cool songs though. I don't think vidya composers get enough credit for what they do, what they do is way more impactful than what the great classical composers were doing in their hayday. It's not even close.
>>724245447so I guess that's what niggers do and that's why you're here?[OOC: your reply made no sense by the way, I'll give you some leeway though, continue but try to be more creative.]
>>724245572>and honest artistsYou're wrong about that. Honest artists would look forward to AI getting better so that they can actually realize their ultimate dreams using it. Skilled artists who are against AI are just gatekeeping and being arrogant.
>>724245617I'm sure you do find AI use rewarding when it generates porn in a living man's artstyle
what i've come to understand is that pro-ai niglets are the same subhumans that think porn is as good as sex, there's no real discussion to be had here. a subhuman mind lives and dies by the simplest impulses.
>>724245770t. virgin
>>724245752I don't use it to generate porn but yeah among other uses. I can make art I like so it's rewarding :)))
>>724244931turn your monitor off
>>724244347When you can push a button and skip the work, the work is now meaningless. There's no logical argument around this. Flying across a continent to get to your destination is better than walking.
>>724244331I think you got it confused with Sugiyama who did the Dragon Quest tracks
>>724244650It will be. Surprised it hasn't been already but I guess Nvidia is busy raking in money from datacenters to make new vidya software lol. Or like, all their vidya software engineers retired or soft retired from the stock price skyrocketing. Did you hear about that? What a conundrum that is.
>>724245929>There's no logical argument around this.Skipping the work didn't happen, you put works into a blender. I don't think you appreciate just how much middleware is at play for AI to not generate fused-together fingers or too many fingers. And that's assuming it's not generating a hand that consists of five index fingers.
>>724244051This is like peeing in the shower and picking your nose. Nobody will admit to it, although everyone does it.
>>724245506It's just true. We can't tell most of the time.
>>724244931I don't have any but somebody else said there was one
Post the list of songs he plagiarized
>>724246046You did skip the work because you got what you want without doing it the old fashioned way. You're just complaining about how they're skipping the work. Artists have always messed up fingers too, that's nothing new.
grandpa needs to get with the times
>>724246046There is no drawing involved in this
>>724245128>>724245846>can't post even one
Samefagged spam thread. Janny fucks do your fucking job.
>>724246238>You did skip the work All models require training data, no work was skipped. You redirected that work to scraping the seamy underbelly of actual works.
>>724245572not a lot of honesty in artistry with how shit popular media looks now
>>724246362Again, you're just complaining about how they're skipping the work. What you're saying is completely irrelevant you autist. You used a tool to skip the work. Whining about how the tool works just makes you an annoying fag.
>>724245128The irony of saying that others are drooling retards and being incapable of backing up claims you make? Yeah, it's palpable.
Riddle me this, why would I listen to /v/ermins opinions on anything when most of them are neets whose concept of work is limited to taking a shit between gaming sessions? None of you create anything, what legitimate argument can you have for anything that involves actual work?
>>724246438We aren't having the same conversation. Spend the rest of the thread convincing everybody you're skipping the work and anybody who disagrees is annoying. Mods will leave it up because, fuck, I dunno, Rapeape probably gets some kind of kick-back from letting it happen.
>>724245747What is AI going to allow when they can already create art
>>724244051I thought he died because of the black and white picture
Uematsu is the goat and everyone who argues is just a loser.We humans made great art before pressing a magical generator button / automation without that button / automation. We don't need technology sucking us dry, fuck off.
>>724246541You're not trying to have a conversation, you're trying to whine about tools.
>>724246550The usual argument is it would obviate the need for concept sketches to build off of, which is still completely and utterly pointless for somebody that can already draw and has a clear idea of what they want, or even if they don't have a clear idea and they're just throwing shit at the wall. AI is pretty thoroughly useless as an addendum to the creative process and most argumentative dead-air is about whether it's even useful in the first place for anybody that isn't an ideas-guy.
>>724246341t. ai jeet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxPvGGmWM3AZoomer, listen to my story... This might be your last chance.What your hear are the hands of Nobuo Uematsu being recorded. What you hear it's him.
I'm still waiting for the day AI creates something wholly new.
>>724246550AI just lets people create art faster. 1 person can't make an animated movie alone in any reasonable time frame but with AI they will be able to. Not to mention other types, like a film that looks photorealistic.AI will help with video games too letting indies make huge AAA-like games.
>>724244051He's right but jeets don't like that because the brits didn't whip them hard enough.
>>724246692humans copy each other all the time
>>724245617I do think he is a legendary artist. Still listen to many of the ff7 and ff8 tracks daily. However I think he is wrong on this but I will chalk it up to his age. I am a millennial who hates tiktok so I get it
>>724244931okhttps://www.mdpi.com/2075-4698/15/1/6>Our research demonstrates a significant negative correlation between the frequent use of AI tools and critical thinking abilities, mediated by the phenomenon of cognitive offloading.
>>724246613Tools don't skip work, tools enable work. AI is not a tool, it is a plagiarism engine and a corporate jingle generator. The Akinator guessing-game software has no place in a creative environment.
>>724245929Walking would get you something that flying cannot.
>>724244051>You sit down and you listenand a ching chong chang to you nip composer
>>724246770What was the point of this non-sequitur
>>724244931find the nearest mirror
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APbF8f9gEw0
Yoko Shimomura is better.
>>724246568We'll make art after magical button too. It's nothing to sperg out about.>>724246774I didn't read the article so I wouldn't say he's wrong. From what I gather from the pic he just stated he doesn't use it because obviously he likes to do it the traditional way which is fine and respectable. If he's saying you CAN'T find reward doing things in other methods he'd be wrong though.
>>724246684i listen to aeriths theme daily balding millennial bro. However Uematso is wrong on this one issue. I dont fault him for it but he is simply wrong
>>724246749Yes, creating art FASTER is what makes it good, definitely that.
>>724246362It's amazing how impossible it is for me to gen any ideas of mine beyond the most basic bitch "I guess it kinda looks like this" and it could be less of a headache working with an artist. The only reason I say could is that artists are horrendously flaky and so I can only imagine having multiple on hand to give my games the individual styles I dream of them having.
>>724246904That's a respectable opinion, but I don't see why this is a competition.
>>724246812>this entire postRetard alert.>>724246818Flying would get you something walking cannot.
>>724246904Dont know about that. However the track that is legendary kino for me is this one from ff15:https://youtu.be/GqDeit4elR8
>>724246959What makes it good is when someone likes it. How long it takes for someone to make that thing people like doesn't matter to the people who like it, thus faster is better. They'd prefer to get it sooner. Here's a quiz:Would you rather -your favorite game 2: made to perfection- come out tomorrow or in 20 years?
>>724246917Nah if you use this "tool" you won't make anything profound. You gotta tell me your name and where you work so I can cancel you (and people like you) and never buy anything you contribute to.
>>724247002Sorry you don't understand what a tool is, anon. Screech about Luddites or something.
>>724247127If you say so.
>>724246318>>724246472>Google "impact of ai on critical thinking">MIT study comes upAnd you retards will say AI has no impact on your brain
>>724247127>You gotta tell me your name and where you work so I can cancel you (and people like you) and never buy anything you contribute to.I have a ruthless need to bully you and everybody like you that punches yourself in the face and then complains your online enemies gave you a black eye.
>>72424709520 years, because nothing actually good will be made in one day. Your way of thinking about this is dangerously close to thinking communism can work under right circumstances, just pure delusion. You have no idea whatsoever about how things are created and how many funny scenes or good music tracks were a product of coincidence, mistake or some other factor that is inherently tied to passage of time.
>>724247127Can you define profound art and explain why someone using AI couldn't make it?
>>724247254>20 yearsNice job. You failed the quiz.>because nothing actually good will be made in one dayAI has proven that wrong.You let me know that you don't care about art at all, you don't want to experience anything. You just want to cry on the internet about everything you hate, which is probably everything.
>>724246931The remake is sweetababy trash, designed to make cloud look like a mentally ill incel and sephiroth a kitten in heat that wants to fuck him at all costs, back in my days we had fujos write yaoi fanfics about that but it was clear they were not canon and were on the side at best.The only good thing about that AIDS that ff7r is, is the budget they spent on the graphics, which is not really an argument since in 1997 8gb of ram was science fiction.Also the ost from ff7r have something... off, my favourite version is the advent children and the distant worlds version.Instagram and tiktok are designed by kikes to lobotomize you, be wary.
>>724244051Natural hardship does. Artificial hardship doesn't.The world fucking your life up regardless of you actions are fuel for art. Going to college to major in Indonesian basket weaving and minoring in the history of lesbianism and resulting in thousands of dollars in debt for student loads doesn't fuel art.
>>724247478>The remake is sweetababy trash, designed to make cloud look like a mentally ill incel This might be one of the most braindead takes about Final Fantasy 7 (the original game) I've ever seen.
>>724247491Now now don't be antisemitic.
>>724245929I got hard news for you, man. Life is work. It’s what makes life worth living. There’s been roughly 100 billion people who have lived and died before us. They worked hard, but an infinitesimally small percentage will be remembered in any way, and even that fades after a few decades or centuries. The lucky ones get remembered for a few millennia. It’s a second death after that. But that’s okay! Because those people did something great, they kept things going long enough for us to get here. And we’re blessed by their example to not have the burden of remembering the entire past as well as not worrying about how our contributions to the future should stack up with those who will be alive and be better prepared to handle the challenges that will pop up when that time comes. Our only obligation is to move at the speed of humanity to leave as clean a slate as possible so that those who come after us have just as much choice, preferably more choice, in how to live their lives.Work is what makes us human, instead of all consuming sacks go be stuffed with nonsense. The process is just as fun as the end product and gives the end product meaning, and more importantly it educates and inspires those who come after us.
>>724247570You have to read history from past to present, not from present to past.Also find out what the Frankfurt school is, be wary of lies.
>>724247264>profound art and explain why someone using AI couldn't make it?If you think shit is inherently artistic, it's just a matter of taste.For me art is profound when it is your soul expressed by your imagination, by your own struggle and striving in life.It's a deep experience only you could express with no one in-between.It's all a matter of preference and taste ultimately.But I personally just won't life in a world with stuff I find wrong.
>>724244051Its easy not to use AI when half your music is a ripoff of other music, isn't it Mr. Uematsu?
>>724247707Yeah he could be using AI and all of his music is a ripoff instead
>>724247376AIs only current use is busting a nut to hyper specific shit which is "good enough" and to make shitposting more efficient. As far as actual art fuck no
>>724247376>no, you don't understand anon, me wanting to press buttons to create soulless husks resembling original work means i'm the one who truly cares about artheh
>>724247707OH FUCKING NOOO RENAISSANCE PAINTERS WERE RIPPING OFF THE ILIAD AND ODYSSEY REEEEEE MOMMYHELPMEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8D8x3NQySE
AI isn't a tool, it's a service. Craftsman are able to do their work as long as they have some form of tool to work things with. It's why digital artists aren't limited to their computers, whereas AI "Artists" are only enabled by AI, and can do nothing without it. It's as shrimple as that.
>>724247752>newcomer with a machine flecking blood and spittle at you screaming "I AM THE ARTIST HERE I AM FUCKING REPLACING YOU"Reminds me of NFTs and crypto with monkey losers screaming they were replacing day traders and businessmen, impressive really at how much of a lateral move from NFTs/crypto to AI it was. Weird Silicon Valley losers who will never stop until they've scammed their way into digital lordship.
Kinda lost respect for him after learning Dancing Mad and many other tracks he made are sampled by classical, 70s and 80s rock bands and not his original creations.
>>724248056Sampled?
>>724248056It's not uncommon for good music to use sampleshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kmYdRlYTx0
>>724248056There's a reason AI bros get so pissed about originality and AI's complete incapacity for it, sample-based generation from LLMs and other AI models is not the same thing at all as a derivative work or the use of samples in original tracks. Trying to say it IS is the crux of AI's "legitimacy" and it's ultimately claiming that AI can think on some level.
Why do these threads always get so many replies?
>>724244051>anti-ai ludaites threatyou will bow you head of AI soon in futurebe readying for day
From an era when nobody knew what a genderfluid fucking is and women didn't think it's antisemitic when your eyes meet theirs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siP0syXBde4
>>724248370samefagging + people clowning on AI
>>724248370jeets and seaniggers spam, same reason why you have thousands of "dall-e generals"
>>724247491This is true
>>724247685>empty platitudesYou can work with AI.
>>724247748>>724247752>I don't like it so it's bad, even though I can't even tell the differenceWhy do I even bother speaking to drooling retards?
>>724248775i can though, you can't else you wouldn't project that onto others, many such cases...
>>724248857no you can't
>>724248405i dont want them to bow their heads, i want them and discord and reddit and every other dumb fucking normie to hate it forever and not adapt because everytime everyone comes around to liking anything, they find a way to ruin it
>>724248370It is a hot topic at the moment so it attracts a lot of everyone including the midwits
>>724248015>impressive really at how much of a lateral move from NFTs/crypto to AI it was.That faggot who posted pic related has fully pivoted into AI and is now making similar predictions that by 2030 we'll all be consuming purely AI generated algo slop. The venn diagram of crypto niggers and AI jeets is a circle
Bro ripped off so many obscure songs from Broadway plays to 70s bands to make his music and he's talking about generative A.I. like his shit doesn't stink. jeusu
>>724249173jesus this post reminds me of "e = mc2 + ai"
>>724247692You can express your imagination using AI though. That you think you have to use arbitrary tools is pretty funny, man. You don't get it at all. Having the idea is the important part, it doesn't matter how you realize it. Like you can draw, film, or preform a dance and AI can help in each of those pursuits and has its own methods to bring a dance to life too.>>724248056There's nothing wrong with using ideas you like to make new stuff.
>>724248010>as long as you have your AI tool you can to your workDid you even read your post?You're basically saying chisels aren't tools because without them a sculptor wouldn't be able to sculpt.
>>724249276they wont get it, because for every person that is using it right, a thousand other retarded mouthbreathers generates the slop they hold as proof that 'ai is garbage'
>>724249276>That you think you have to use arbitrary tools is pretty funny, man. You don't get it at allI don't regard what you see as a tool, a tool. It's the whole pipeline. And if you want to be efficient but soulless be my guest.Get replaced and see where it gets you.
>>724249276>talks about imagination>posts milquetoast pornvery imaginative yes
>>724247052For me? It's Sorrow Without SolaceThe entire score is amazing though. Ironically the best scene in the game features ambient noise and no music.
>>724244051This boomer hasn't made good music in 25 years. Nobody cares. He's all out of ideas and his stuff sounds the same now.
>>724249443There's no wrong way to use it. If someone wants to be a slop factory there's nothing stopping him. Some of those guys are making truckloads of money selling that work too, the "I don't like it reeeee" is not an argument because others do.>>724249575ty. 1girl large breasts is the most popular form of art of all time and I'm glad to contribute. >>724249567So why are you challenged mentally? Just use it and see how it works for yourself.
>>724249850You repulse me. I will never use it. No one should imo.
>>724249931Well it's going to be very funny watching you seethe at the future
>>724249735Even if he only made the OST for ONE of the PSX games he would have been a GOAT but he made more than that. It doesn't matter if his stuff got bland, he still did amazing work and is based for that.>>724249931You're a dogmatic luddite. It's just a tool.
>>724250006I will just ignore it all. You included.
>>724250092I don't think you're doing a very good job of that kek
>>724248664Not really. According to MIT, 95% of AI pilot programs for companies have failed to turn a profit. It’s not even profitable for OpenAI, they’re bleeding money. The only reason it doesn’t seem that way is because investors are basically giving them blood transfusions so it’s keeping costs down. There’s already talk of a speculative bubble. I don’t deny that sometimes I see a glimmer of something cool in AI videos, as an artist I can’t help but imagine how something could be used or see something different from being inspired. The problem is that none of what’s in those AI videos is earned, you sometimes get something that looks great, but fades from memory because it’s not attached to any memorable story or characters. AI won’t “democratize” anything, since large companies will outspend regular joes in using it and those who do embrace using AI and know how to use it best will likely be artists. Artists aren’t against new technology, they embraced photography and helped develop it in the 19h century. They used the camera obscura technique centuries before that. And wooden frames with string pinned across for a makeshift grid to better maintain proportions when doing still life piece. The big difference is that artists were in control for the entire process. AI doesn’t allow for that. You have a little day at the start but then you just roll the dice and hope for the best after that.
>>724250092>I will just ignore it all.Is that what you call it when you cry about it and call people repulsive? kek. You're awfully invested into something you don't care about.
>>724250156>AI doesn’t allow for that.You clearly don't know how this stuff works if you think this is true
>>724250006who is even watching them? for all the vitrol they and everyone else spits at ai, they probably haven't created shit anyone cares about other than themselves and have no intention (or ability in a lot of cases) to, as with almost everyone thats 'an artist' only good for making fridge art
>>724250341You will never get an exact, perfect result from AI because that is not how the technology actually does things, it's a similarity result based on chosen criteria and can't replicate the same result even with the same prompts over and over.
>>724250156hello sir here is a picture proving you wrong on multiple levelsthe fact I used AI to do it, and the fact AI is right
>>724250457>hurrr what is a seedThis is the biggest issue with anti-AI retards. They don't know how to use it and have never tried to learn about it.
>>724250594what's the point of making an AI replicate a result with a seed, just save the jpeg you fucking retard
>>724250341At this time, the reality is that AI programs do not allow for the granular level of control that artists maintain working with any medium they see fit. The artist controls the entire process. Most people are using AI the way George Jetson works, pushing a button. This guy is proving my point, he’s using AI to argue for him. >>724250482
>>724250156According to my experience browsing this board, 100% of people who quote statistics are fucking retards. Thank you for maintaining the status quo.
>>724250637Because you can iterate on the process you retard.
>>724247207>trust the science
>>724244198>ngmi drawfag is absolutely shitter shattered over aiTypical
>>724250667Holy fuck, another one.see>>724250594> This guy is proving my point, he’s using AI to argue for him.You lost the argument to the guy using AI as a tool and to the AI who has a better argument than you do.
>>724244051>hardship is what makes the creating process rewardingTrue. As a bot creator, I get rewarded when my bot does things that I want it do. The pains of specifically crafting my bot to generate that action set, for my specific needs and then watching the play turn out beautifully warms my heart.
>>724244198funny because the rabid anti-AI morons that screech about AI all day prove the opposite.
>>724247752no different than fucking around in Mario Paint really
>>72424419870iq indians believe AI will spring them in to genius
>>724250667>At this time, the reality is that AI programs do not allow for the granular level of control that artists maintain working with any medium they see fit.yes it does
>>724244051Expedition 33 devs in shambles.
>>724249575the world isn't ready for the good stuff
>>724245929If you want to maintain your ability to walk you'd walk or else your legs wither and fall off just like your crusty aids infected anus, faggot
>>724250667>At this time, the reality is that AI programs do not allow for the granular level of control that artists maintain working with any medium they see fit.Tell me you've never used AI without telling me you've never used AI.>The artist controls the entire processArtists don't build their own cameras or code their own photoshop. They don't even make their own paints and brushes(mostly) or weld their own tools.
>>724251193literally the kind of guy who seethed at horses because he didn't have one
>>724251235I coded my pixel art editor tho.
im in a perpetual doom spiral because I always wanted to be a composer but gave up because I'm too shitty to do it right and am now flirting with the idea of having AI simplify the process for me but it won't be my own composition in the end which increases the feelings of failure
>>724251408prove you're an artist, post your work.
AI won, /v/ lost
>AI won, /v/ lost
>>724251417You can use AI to help you compose music or have AI perform your compositions. To say AI is useless to talented musicians is just retarded.
>>724251417Bitch get over your personal issues and just do it. If you truly want it, you can get it without relying on AI. Stop being a bitch.
>>724249850>>724250072Every single thing you posted looks like trash
>>724251529the seethe is real
>>724250808Its arguments about profitability hold little water. Those who know better are warning of a budgetary shortfall by hundreds of billions of dollars.https://www.bain.com/about/media-center/press-releases/20252/$2-trillion-in-new-revenue-needed-to-fund-ais-scaling-trend---bain--companys-6th-annual-global-technology-report/In its third point, the fact that people can use those programs doesn’t necessarily guarantee any value or appraisal on par with music made by actual musicians. Or painters. Or programmers. Most people are fascinated with the people behind a work, especially highly popular ones because they want to know how someone became so successful. We’re drawn towards other people. With AI there’s nothing there, the meaning is “that’s what the computer spat out”. Boring.For the fourth and fifth points, the problem is that the expression isn’t yours, it’s the computer’s. And those parameter controls still aren’t anywhere near the precision artists have over existing media and it’s disingenuous to suggest that’s the case.Also you’re ignoring the fact that chatbots and LLMs are inherently flawed in their design by flattering those who use it. People have made plenty of videos demonstrating this.
>>724251692:(
>>724251417It's called applying yourself and not giving up when it's not easy. Never give up and keep trying. Don't cheap out.
>>724251529>browns are dependent and addicted to AI so they can think with 5% of the brainpower of a white
>>724251829The Bain report doesn’t prove AI is unsustainable — it says scaling it to global enterprise level will require major investment, not that it’s unprofitable. Every transformative tech — railways, electricity, the internet — had early infrastructure deficits before creating trillions in value. In fact, Bain’s same report projects AI could generate $2–4 trillion annually once adoption matures. That’s not failure — that’s rapid capital growth.As for cultural or artistic “value,” that’s never been fixed to who made the work. We already admire anonymous art, folklore, remix culture, and photography — all once dismissed as “impersonal.” People connect to meaning, not medium. If a song or image moves someone, it doesn’t matter if it came from a violin or a neural net. That’s why creators using AI as a tool (not a replacement) are still very much the author of the intent.On control: modern AI tools are absolutely approaching fine precision — consistent character rigs, pose control, lighting replication, stylization layers, prompt weighting, node graphs, and local model training all provide real authorship over the final output. It’s not “the computer’s expression” any more than Photoshop’s healing brush is “Photoshop’s art.”And regarding chatbots “flattering” users — that’s a tuning choice, not an inherent flaw. LLMs are probabilistic text generators; they reflect training and prompting, not personal intent. Developers can, and increasingly do, fine-tune models for accuracy, disagreement, and factual rigor.So yes — AI is expensive, evolving, and imperfect. But so were every major invention we now take for granted. The difference is that AI is already producing measurable value, both economic and creative. It’s not replacing human expression — it’s amplifying what one person can express.
>>724251235>disingenuous arguments from an idea guy indiancant wait to see that awesome new video game you're making, any day now
>>724252073L
>>724245929>When you can push a button and skip the work, the work is now meaninglessOnly when the result is better, which it is not.
>>724245929The problem is, you can't do that. You type out words and kid yourself that the computer spits out something that looks exactly like you wanted, instead of the words you wrote tokenised according to that model output.If I could push a button now and get the drawing I'm going to do, I'd do it, and I'd be happy if you could for the drawings you like. But I can't. It's not how it works.
>>724252176>>724252185It's hilarious that you're missing the point. You are so fucking retarded it's unbelievable.
>>724252185>conceding to an AIwow, you sure proved him wrong
>>724251417Even if your music ends up being terrible it’ll still be yours. Ever heard of a guy named Wesley Willis? He was a schizophrenic who composed literally hundreds of songs that he sang to using presets on his electronic keyboards. Even twenty years after his death people still talk about it because it’s fascinating to listen to even though it won’t ever be held in the same level as more experienced composers. His music was never boring, that’s for sure. There’s artists who draw terribly but are still beloved because of the way they draw is so crude that it’s funny. Gary Larson’s Far Side comic is a great example of that. Or shit, Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff. If you use AI to get around work you’ll be filled with regret when you realize that you tried to get around living YOUR life.
>>724252249Post your art and prove you're better than AI. And make an argument against someone using AI to get their desired result not counting.
>>724252340>argue with my soijakno
>>724252310see>>724252408
>>724252408I'm a 3D artist, this is the current blockout of the sculpt I'm working on.
>>724252426It managed to refute your points accurately though (which isn't really hard lmao, you aren't very smart)
>>724244198>>infinity billion studies that AI use turns you into a drooling retardYou realize it takes years to get any comprehensive study like that done, right?
>>724252408>>724252518>>724252475Here's a face closeup. Still not at the detailing phase (head, torso, arms and legs are all separate objects still, for example).If AI was better and faster I'd use it.It's not. So I don't.
>>724252518>I can make generic ps3 characters and ignore the argumentwow... damn
>>724252612But if it was so easy to do, why did you make the AI do it?
>>724252718>ignores the fact that it's a blockoutThanks for confirming you're dishonest.Now post the AI do better.
>>724252721saves a lot of typing time. come on try and use that little brain of yours a little you can figure this out
>>724246789That article states the opposite of what you're saying...
>>724252701AI is better though?>>724252767So post something worth posting? Can you?
>>724252787More effort was already spent pissing and moaning about the legitimacy of the AI response than would have been spent in just writing a response!
>>724252823>AI is better though?That's handmade in Zbrush
>>724245018Fun fact: William Gibson wrote Neuromancer on a typewriter, as at that time he had never even used a computer, much less owned one.
>>724244198wow, cool it down with the anti-indian remarks.
yuka kitamura is better
>>724252697The cognitive deterioration described doesn't need years' worth of data, this is concern trolling.
>>724252823>So post something worth posting? Can you?Once you post something made by AI that looks better than what I posted.Your pic is made by a human.
>>724244331he died at the end of disc 1
It's funny how midwits think AI came into existence in 2020. They think everything is an LLM. Those of you who don't understand the underlying technology and how much was developed purely as a scientific pursuit are going to be very shocked by the future.
>>724252873>>724252967>t-that's human madeembarrassing
>>724244360https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xngBF-sWsLg
>>724252813Are you retarded? It literally doesn't. It specifically states AI use results in loss of critical thinking skills. It also says that the loss of critical thinking skills can be mitigated by having proper educational systems in place that engage and emphasize critical thinking skills.
Savage brown people like AI a lot. If browns like it too much, it means it must be bad. Simple as.
>>724253078That's an image, not a 3D model.
>>724252721To prove you wrong on multiple levels. It's fucking insane how dense you idiots are.
Altman is not sending his best shills today
>>724253123people use things like rodin ai to make 3d models for blender and then refine it now, you just pass it an imagethere's no need to build it from scratch
>>724252787You lost.
>>724253345Those are completely unusable for actual projects.You can't use them as the low-poly model because their topology is shit.And you can't use them as the high-poly model because most of their detail comes from the texture, so your baked maps will have nothing.AI for 3D modeling is useless. Call me when there's an AI for 3D sculpting.
>>724253483okay, I'll call when you they've fixed the hand thingoh wait
>>724253483>Those are completely unusable for actual projects.They're better than what you posted.
>>724253536Ah so you just have zero clue how the 3D pipeline works and you ignored everything I said, aight no-dev.>>724253552They are not for the reasons I detailed, but I'll post them again:You can't use them as the low-poly model because their topology is shit.And you can't use them as the high-poly model because most of their detail comes from the texture, so your baked maps will have nothing.
>>724253626uh huh, do you ever tire of being wrong?
>>724253683>no argumentConcession accepted, no-dev.
>>724253483I clicked on some two minute papers a while ago and youtube was spamming me with videos like this, these were interesting.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5IIMNQ4rl4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmtTOv6XgXghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRFlnXeOdww
>>724253709your job is meaningless now, you should end it allanyone can build 3d models that are better than you in a few mins just with an image and some basic blender knowledgeyour tranny art degree means nothing, how does it feel?
>>724253826>your job is meaningless nowyou literally have no idea what you're looking at with a generated 3D model. you can't even figure out why a generated model wouldn't work in a project
>>724253936>says this unironically while retarded devs like you add in pots with too many polygons into games
>>724253936how are you going to feel when AI does the entire 3D pipeline?
>>724254134>whenIt's always "when it's there" and "soon", isn't it.
>>724244051Sorry bro, I only sit down and listen for Yoko
>>724254175The answer is the same way artists feel about AI art
>>724244198It's almost as if suits haven't read studies on why their actions are a bad idea.
>>724254251Rather, suits do their absolute level best to pretend their actions have no bad consequences, like how OPEC and other fossil-fuels companies fund a metric fuckton of things to pretend global warming isn't even possible.
Suno made 4.5 free for use and it makes good bangers with it. I don't care.
>>724254516
There is no stopping AI it's only going to get better all the time, it's the future no matter how you feel about it.
>>724254516exactly, most people don't care about "soul" bullshit that artists keep going on about, that means nothing to most peoplethe end product is what matters, I don't give a shit if you suffered to produce it or if you ingested lots of drugs in your rock band, why I would I give a shit?If it sounds good or looks good, that's good to meIt doesn't matter if a clanker made it
>>724244347>They just want to push a buttonYes? No shit retard thats what everyone knows AND loves about it
>>724246789>ai shill ends up lacking the ability to even read at all
>>724253709Confession Accepted.
>>724254676>that means nothing to most peopleIt doesn't mean anything to anyone. It's just schizobabble cope.
>>724254858>ai shillanon did you misquote or misread every reply in that post chain?
>>724249383>without them a sculptor wouldn't be able to sculptYou are the precise kind of fool that AI caters to if you think a sculptor can't sculpt without a chisel
so many triggered thirdies itt lol
>>724255252How do you sculpt stone without one?
>>724255358You don't. The same way a digital artist can't make digital art without digital tools. The difference is that a sculptor can still sculpt things with different tools and in different mediums. The digital artist is still an artist that can work with pen and pencil. They still understand the principles, how to actually make something, and can use other tools. Those who use AI can only "make" things with AI, they're not actual artists and they're merely using a service, not a tool.This was explained in the first post, but of course people like you lack reading comprehension
>>724255868We're talking about sculpting stone. And you're right, they don't. But they still exist and they're still artists. They just have to use a chisel.Fucking retard.
>>724256005>We're talking about sculpting stoneNo, we're talking about sculptors, who can carry fundamentals between different forms of techniques, whether it's stone, marble, clay, or even just mud. It's why those who draw aren't limited to whether it's digital, physical, or just creating lines in the sand. AI "artists" would never understand.
>>724256370>No, we're talking about sculptors,No we aren't but you already know this and are being pedantic.
>>724256437getting pissed that "sculpting" does not specifically mean the formation of stone and it's beating around the bush to talk about more than one method of sculpting is a perfect encapsulation of the AI grift's failure, it isn't a skill that can feasibly apply to other tools the way experience with one stringed instrument can translate to others or the way sculpting with clay can translate to sculpting with stoneAI isn't actually a tool, it is only useful with itself
>>724256437>No we aren'tNo, we were. Actually read the posts you're replying to in this chain instead of trying to wrestle the conversation into a pigeonhole, or even better: recognize that you're only trying to do so because you have no actual point and know you're wrong
>>724256727>>724257154it's okay to be wrong
>>724251026why are they always being accused of using AI, has this been proved?
>>724258281>anti-AI retards profusely sweating because they liked something using AIyou love to see it
>>724244051Reminder that it is only "the creative process" in so far as coming up with new ideas. All of this faggots music is just aping Deep Purple. People have copying each other for years, all AI has done is created a more efficient way to do that. If you are mad at AI for taking away jobs from artists, you aren't producing original work. You are copying somebody else, because that is all AI can do.
>>724258349who said I liked E33? I was just asking if there is proof they used AI
>>724244051>The man who made aeriths theme, mako reactor, let the battles beginyamaha xg tracks were good, psx tracks were lesser than snes trackshe didn't figure out psx till ff8
>>724254593>>724254676>>724255108Now I'll make an AI song with only using words from this thread, tell me which music style or other thing to be used in style prompt.
>>724259268make it like a final fantasy lyrical song
>>724259440Wonder how will end in english lyrics instead of latin/japanese ones, but ok. Will post the results in a vocaroo
Bump cause I'm generating the promised song at this moment...
>>724246684I think this the greatest melody Uematsu ever composed, and I have a very high opinion of his skill as a melodist.
Choose your favorite>https://voca.ro/1bE94bw6ecDcor>https://voca.ro/1etjQw9bfBNd
>>724244198In general this is correct. But not if you are smart, and this is the case for everything. Internet and social media overload made a lot of kids dumb but they were already dumb. The smart ones just use the internet to learn new things faster or explore new business ideas. Its the same thing with AI. Those who are already smart and capable will just use AI to offload some tedium and increase efficiency. The dumb ones will just cripple themselves further
>>724244198>>724244051
>>724261197"i'm sure to not lose my creative thinking because my intellect is superior"
>>724261154I don't like either one
>>724261197>The dumb ones will just cripple themselves furtherAnd by cripple themselves you mean make better work than people not using AI.
>>724261368Blame AI
>>724261489I blame the user's taste.
>>724261154I like the second one
>AI art is bad but it's better than artistsWhy can't artists just be honest?
>>724261489Blame Canada
you are stupid and delusional.
AI is fun to fuck around with, but, as it is, I'd never use it in a project I care about. It doesn't make content that I find very original, and I would want total creative authority over every single detail anyways, to make it my own. Where originality doesn't count for much, though, I can see it doing a lot of heavy lifting; it'd generate models and music and such for a team that is too small (or cheap) to do that themselves.
>>724264027What AIs have you used?
I don't really understand why some prompters consider themselves artists. Aren't they more like commissioners? Giving the artist (the AI) instructions/guidelines and letting it work?
>>724265119Commissioners have no control over the art while prompters do. The big reason you don't get it is because you've never used AI as a tool before.
>>724259163ff7 has some legendary tracks. Not sure what you are on about
>>724265119Please be respectful, telling an AIjeet they're not an artist is like telling a tranny they'll never be a woman
>>724265384telling an artist he is not an artist because he uses AI is actually like believing you can become a woman actually
>>724249276>new stuffHe's not making new stuff though. Probably 95% of the song is ripped straight from the original pieces they came from
>>724265119Consider this: drawing a picture is the act of taking tools like a pencil, paper, and your hand to take a mental image and turn it into an actual physical image. But the tools are interchangeable, and you could also use a paintbrush, a knife and a piece of wood, or a mouse too. If you could connect your brain to a machine that skipped the middleman and directly turned that mental image into a physical image, would it cease to be art? Or would it just be using a different set of tools? Because all AI is is a shittier version of that hypothetical machine.
>>724265119Asking =/= doing. You're treating the AI like it's a person when it's a computer program you have control over.
>>724265537Some faggot was spamming protrans shit (baitactually) with transfaggots praising AIAnd now you're saying its the exact opposite?Why do you faggots keep conflating the two both ways?I don't know whose baiting who anymore
>>724245929>When you can push a button and skip the workThe problem is that you can't skip the work. Even when you give an AI a prompt it's taking existing ideas and throwing them all together to create what you want out of them in the easiest way possible.Not to mention, AI can't think like a human, so let's say you ask it for a red robot, will it give you a stereotypical tinker toy kind of thing or something like Sazabi from Gundam? Would it even fit your vision?
>>724266851All anti-AI people are friends of the LGBTQs.
>>724244931grok, post this anon with egg on his face
>>724266939Don't take those words literally, they mean most of the work.>Not to mention, AI can't think like a human, so let's say you ask it for a red robot, will it give you a stereotypical tinker toy kind of thing or something like Sazabi from Gundam? Would it even fit your vision?That's where the user skill comes into play.
>>724244051I would swap the word "rewarding" with "interesting/fun".
>>724244198Have you not SEEN the porn you can make with AI?Its creative beyond human imagination only comparable to shrooms.Now we dont have to commission someone $500 to see a girl get all-the-way-through'd by a giant tentacle monster or how a girl would look when literally, folded like a pretzal in a pretzal BY A PRETZALWhat more creativity do we need than that honestly?
>>724267042>That's where the user skill comes into play.No matter how many prompts you give it the AI still can't think like you.
>>724244198>already known for decades that intellectual pursuits of any kind are a "use it or lose it" situation and if your skills aren't constantly sharpened you will lose them, God is such a shitty dev for programming this.
>>724267212Good thing you can train AI and tweak it beyond prompts then.
People who think AI is the same as painting thinks that ordering a flute online is like making your own.
He's also criticized the general quality of the current industry before.Both in how modern companies (like Square) write their music now with having the composers be completely outside the actual game development process, not part of it, and how inundated with terrible "movie" scores badly aping John Williams we are.Also echoed by other JP old school game music people like OGR.
>>724267359>>>>>>flute>not just whisltin'Never gonna make it
>>724244051AI wasn't available when he was working. What sort of retarded brag is this?
>>724244347I dont like AI use, but how is this any different then being an idea guy who kickstarts a project and just pays others to do the skills they lack? How is it any different than working as a team where every individual only is focused on one key strength, with no single multipurpose creator?
>>724267271And it still won't be able to think like you do, the only way you could get it to generate what you want is to feed it examples of what you want meaning you'd actually have to create it in the first place defeating the purpose.
>>724267551It doesn't have to think, it just has to be useful to you. What the hell is wrong with you?
as soon as my job is taken I'll be there with youbut until then I don't really give a shit and I'll continue to gen videos of girls from tiktok removing their clothes
>>724267551>And it still won't be able to think like you do,Okay?>the only way you could get it to generate what you want is to feed it examples of what you wantGood thing that happened already. But also that's not really true.>you'd actually have to create it in the first place defeating the purpose.Most visual ideas already exist and AI understands them.
>>724267610>it just has to be useful to youWhich it isn't if you have to create your ideal creation with multiple in order to generate it. At that point you've already drawn it enough times to be a master at drawing it.
>>724267864>Most visual ideas already existExcept for the infinite number of ideas that don't.
>>724267904It is though? > At that point you've already drawn it What is this schizo talking about
>>724268083>Except for the infinite number of ideas that don't.Come up with 10 visual ideas AI can't depict.
>>724265340the yamaha xg version he composed, the better version he composedthe psx is the lesser version, by a ton
>>724253105i asked AI and it says you're full of shit and the article doesn't say thatwhat do you retards get out of gaslighting people?
Uematsu retired, didn't he?>i'll never use it! says man who doesn't work any longer anywaystunning AND brave
>>724269627>i'll never use it! says man who couldn't even if he tried since he's a boomeractually holy shit he's only 66, dude looks 80 Sakaguchi is young too
>>724268852you with a girlfriend
>>724244051Didn't he steal a ton of his music from better artists? Lol
>>724270306wrong
>>724269627Semi-retired I think. He worked on Sakaguchi's latest game iirc.Anyway it's just someone asking him about it and him answering, rarely do nip composers go out of their way to complain about things.
>>724270306AI is my girlfriendhttps://litter.catbox.moe/98eg3e71zyx73ipl.mp4
