I'm not saying that JRPGs are especially deep either.If it was the 90s during the prime of CRPGs, sure I could kind of see an argument but I'd argue both JRPGs and WRPGs were very experimental during that era and had unique and deep stuff.After the 90s though? WRPGs are the dumbest shit for literal brainlets simplifying everything further and further while JRPGs continued experimenting and came up with several great combat systems.Where does this perception even come from?
BG3 and Wasteland 3 mog any jrpg combat TB system
>>724252414Seriously? They mog:-Final Fantasy Tactics-Devil Survivor-any Fire Emblem (yes even the oldest ones)-GrowlanserNew rule for anyone planning to argue in my thread: if you attack JRPGs, post a picture of your hand so that I can see you are not brown as they are the people who are primarily attracted to WRPGs.
>>724252256It came from those 90s RPGsThere was a dark age in the 00s when RPGs were casual console games, but wasteland 2 and PoE kickstarted (pun intended) a resurgence along with a bunch of indie games
>>724252587Brown people make jrpgs, you are brown, you fuckin slant, only Europeans are white
>>724252256This shit is alnost giving me eye pain. People don't get the fact that majority of Japanese games are hot garbage, including 100% of their 3-4 people in a row slop.
>>724252685So now 2 and a half decades later we have to endure retarded faggots still parroting that when they have stagnated to shit?I'll give you a pass and assume you are white merely because you did not directly attack.
>>724252709I'm a slavic European you moron, the whitest of the white.JRPGs began from Wizardry, the whitest of the white RPG series. Among the last time they were good.Anyone who likes JRPGs is a white man. If you like 90s CRPGs I would say you are also pretty white. But beyond that if you like any WRPG you are a brown.
>>724252256Lmao BG3 is literally too hard for Japanese.
>>724252256>jarpig>deep
>>724252908You will never be Japanese, you will never be appreciated or respected for shitting on your own culture and heritage to shill for slants who all hate youThey don't appreciate or respect the waste of your time on earth defending themYou are an embarrassmentYour ancestors hate you, your fellow whites hate you, japanese people hate you, everyone hates you and looks down on you for your retarded weebnigger shenanigans
>>724252256>WRPG Not worth discussing with yougo play ToEE for a post 90s CRPG with deeper combat and party building than any JRPG ever also your genre is dead lmao
>>724252414Even owlcat games have better combat then BG3 and owlcat games have fucking horrendous combat
>>724252913Yeah I'm sure the same culture that loves and has played MegaTen for years would struggle with that piss easy fucking game.My non-RPG playing friend who doesn't even speak English that well and couldn't understand most of the descriptions and stats beat that barely dying ever.He doesn't even play RPGs at all. I'd love to see him try Matador or Minotaur in SMT, oh wait he did and rage quit.
>>724253143Bg3 has better combat but owlcat's got better story and art style.
>>724253412We've seen the comments my guy. Nips were having a hard time with it.
>>724253554How about attaching an image or link with some proof? I assume they had written carefully articulated and correct criticisms of the game and mechanics as opposed to "they couldn't handle it"
>>724252994read the post nigger no modern rpgs are deep
>>724253818everything is deeper than jarpigs
>>724252414>d&d5eyikes
>>724252256These pseudo-anime games were never good. The real jrpgs that are actually good have non-anime artstyle and writing, like ER.
>>724252587>GrowlanserBased. It is still the deepest RPG ever.
>>724252256What great combat systems did they come up with anon?
>>724254409Since the 90s?1. Press turn (MegaTen)2. Action Time Battle system (Trails)3. Real-time Mission Clear (Growlanser)4. Conditional Turn Based (FF X)5. The Ys style of combat seen in Napishtim era
>>724252414Not really no. JRPGs tend to be better mechanically unless you're casual slop like persona. Radiant Historia, Etrian odyssey, Tactics Ogre, FFT, Tear Ring Saga, Vestaria Saga are all better than BG3 and those are just the handful I've played in recent memory
>>724254184Yeah right lmfao rollsloppa and parrysloppa made by idiots who couldn't hack it making real action games so they made "RPGs"
>>724253554>Still no proofInteresting.
>>724256823None of them are better than BG3, stop clowning yourself.
>>724256823I'm also including Berwick Saga as part of the Tear Ring Saga series. That game is about as good as you get when it comes to tactics games
>>724257386Even the easiest Etrian Odyssey, EO4, has deeper combat and dungeons than BG3.
>>724252414Anon, 5th edition DnD was widely acknowledged by players to be shallow, being worst of both world for Roleplaying and Combat, even on leddit
>>724257484>Etrian Odysseyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSZifh-q2fQ>EO4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPKjrRtY6d4>the entire games are just VN menu simulators with the same trite turn based combatlmao you fags are clowns
>>724252908>I'm a slavic EuropeanI’m sorry.
I don't like the limits of jrpg combat, can you think of any jrpg where you can fight dozens if not hordes or enemies? It's just four of your niggas against at most six of enemy niggas. Some jrpgs cope by having one nigga count as a group or a horde but mechanically it's still one enemy.Most crpgs you can be outnumbered 10 to 1 easily, such things never happen in a jrpg.
>>724257713...it's a dungeon crawler, xis. It's made in the same vein as Wizardry. Thr series is known for being difficult but fair unlike many of the earlier dungeon crawler franchises.
>>724257787Any mystery dungeon game.
>>724257389>Berwick Sagahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n7s5WsVUSc&list=PLs9UEgmF-T2RoadJvZzTJAYWImdc9n0ZV>>724256823>Radiant Historiahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r9BcwxjzXo&list=PLeZSRkjynvksW16su3W8mDEPHTnVMSgDjMan all these games both look and play like shit, all garbage turn based combat with so many menus that it feels like you're not even playing anything at all.
>>724257912It's a very shitty looking and playing dungeon crawler, hilarious that you're shilling a cheap phone game here.
>>724257993So you like BG3 because there are are fewer scary to parse?
>>724258071Repeat that again?
>>724258058The series started on the ds and that thing could barely handle 3d graphics. It plays very well actually with barely any hand holding and it expects you to make mistakes. The dungeon puzzles are great too.
>>724258262I saw the gameplay, it's yet another turn based menu sim, actually the entire game seems like just a collection of different menus.
>>724258160I'm not sure I can make it any easier to understand for a DnD 5E enjoyer.
>>724252256I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Learning the Pathfinder system requires way more work than the press turn or the dogsit FF system. Pathfinder fucking sucks but it's way more complex
>>724252414trvthnvkeany turn based system that is just x niggas in a row is shitturn based is only good when you have to move your characters, positioning, attack range, attack area etcjrpgs are just mashing attack and strongest spell command
>>724258353I'm so sorry you're scared of menus and numbers. Ordering food must be nightmare
>>724258353Why are you playing turnbased games in the first place if you think they're just "menu sims"?
pillars and pathfinder mog all jrpgs in complexity
>>724252256I don't care. I play both.
>>724258538These "games" just suck man, the combat, presentation, VN-like structure with endless dialogue, hilariously huge amount of menus for everything, they're shit.
>>724256475>1. Press turn (MegaTen)>4. Conditional Turn Based (FF X)it's all the same shit, you just attack in a different order or have two turns in a row lol
>>724258798>game doesn't appeal to me so it's shit
>>724258798There's barely any dialogue in EO.
>>724258798based and etrianpilled, it's just boring random encounters
>>724258451>FF systemNo shit you retard that's the casual one like Skyrim is for WRPGs.How about you compare a more obscure RPG from the west with a more obscure from Japan?
>>724252414BG3 combat is way more simple than Dragon Quest which is the most bare bones of JRPG gameplay
Japanese people aren't brown. They're yellow. In all seriousness, it's been near impossible to talk about JRPGs on here. Or really, most Japanese games in general. The only Nip games you're allowed to openly enjoy at this point are Tendieslop. And that's only because Tendies are a protected class along with AI spammers, porn thread mills and Gacha Chinks.I swear to God, every fucking time I bring up Nips in ANY way, I'll get gazillions of randos coming by to proclaim (for the fifth billionth time) that the Japanese was barbaric an brownz and sheeeit. I'm sincerely convinced this sudden uptake in anti-Japanese sentiment is rising due to paid bots.
>>724258572Turn based games can be good, these archaic JRPGs are not.>>724259054If eating shit is for you then whatever, but don't pretend it's anything but that.>>724259123At least 3 of the things I've mentioned applies to EO.
Jrpg are retardes cartoon shit ans the combat systs are bizzare trash.
>>724252414I thought BG3 was bad because it was woke?
Underrail
>>724259759How? I am actually OP and I will admit I don't really get this one.I'm all for showing how great they are but don't want to give the drooling nigger retards fuel.
>>724259801The anti-jap sentiment has only increased as more chinks and pajeets get access to the internet, which also happens to coincide with the internet in general getting worse. Just a coincidence though, I'm sure.
>>724258471>any turn based system that is just x niggas in a row is shitThe whole "niggas in a row" meme is so cartoonishly forced. One of the brownest concoctions /v/ has ever come up with. Also->teenagers killing godBased. Jew god needs to die.
This is true for action games, too. Hit or miss, stuff like Tales, Final Fantasy, and Nier have kept trying new things; whereas western action games experienced an Assassin's Creed Ubislop convergence.Unironically, I blame the wokeslop generation, which was not just full of pointless self-restrictions, but was foundationally corporate.
>>724259759holy cope, dq is literally just pressing attack
>>724252414lmao cope. D&D is a dogshit turn based system from the 70s when niggas didn't have computers to handle RNG or anything harder than 5+2
>>724259801I have no problem discussing all japanese games herejrpgs simply suck cock
>>724260557>This is true for action games, too. Hit or miss, stuff like Tales, Final Fantasy, and Nier have kept trying new things; whereas western action games experienced an Assassin's CreedDamn you're right I didn't even think of this. Its so ingrained in my mind that Japan = action/fightan that I didn't even begin to consider how little the west has of this properly.
>>724260275Irritating thing about you saying this however is you'll get tons of people denying what you've said; trying to make you look like a "schizo" (one of they're favorite words). Now that the majority of the site has been bombarded with Chinese and Indians, you'll rarely see anyone agree with you. It'll be an endless cycle of chinks and jeets suppressing anything they deem wrongthink.
>>724260275chinks are locked behind the great firewall retard. >>724259923is it. that poster is a retard and BG3 is overrated>>724259801JRPGs are the GOAT genre. I will gladly discuss it with anyone but there arent enough JRPGs releasing for me to play them all the time>>724258471JRPGs let you move around though. See: trails in the sky remake or Yakuza 7/8
>>724260832chinks are locked behind the great firewall and jeets don't really matter in gaming communities. not to mention, chinks enjoy JRPGs and seem to have no issue consuming jap media. it's quite popular there
>>724257256It actually sold and received well, it's an objectively great game in many fronts, unlike your anime movie games which always coincidentally flop. You will never be able to reach a larger market like what BG3 did with CRPGs. Your anime games will keep getting more and more culturally irrelevant as the time goes on.
>>724260839>>724260927>great firewallLiterally does nothing as every single VPN can get around it.
>>724259013What is that thing?!
If this was reddit you'd have my updoot
>jarpiggers trying to reassure each other: the thread
>>724253818UnderrailDarkest DungeonColony ShipAge of Decadence Wasteland II/IIIRogue Trader Are all better and way more complicated than your retarded jap weebslopWeebs would shit themselves to death playing Underrail or DD, in fact a lot of them did, they needed to mod the game difficulty out and replace every character avatar with porn because that's all they're good for.
>>724261649I've played Underrail and will admit it is probably the only decent western RPG from the modern ones so you do have that one but only because it is so heavily based on the bygone era.
>>724256475I haven't played 3 and 5, so can't comment on them. The others are decent enough, but don't seem like a huge experimental departure from the previously established conventions to me. The games with more experimental systems that I've tried have often failed at creating a satisfying experience.
>>724252256White people have to pretend their games are deeper and more sophisticated than they really are because the Japanese have been kicking their asses at game dev since the 80s. FYI: there is no simulation or reactivity in BG3. The only real system is NPC AI which is actually substandard. All the depth in the game is an illusion. The freedom in Skyrim is also an illusion because you can’t actually do anything other than fight stuff and the quest design is rigid and strictly linear.
>>724252414>not RTWPngmi, nigger
>>724262165>there is no simulation or reactivity in BG3Stopped reading there, you are talking out of your ass to pretend your shallow anime jarpigs are superior in any sense.
>>724262304Anime games have forced emotion thanks to japs having the whole "three masks" culture mentality but that isn't to say that bg3 is good.
>>724262304Then name it faggot where is the simulation and reactivity
>>724260972>good thing becomes less relevant as civilization becomes more shitWow, you sure showed him.
>>724262451Race, class, background and deity, consequential choices you make throughout the gameplay etc. It even has imsim elements to it as background objects can interact with one another, thanks to its physics engine. Your playthrough as a dward and a druid will be significantly different.
>>724252256Pretty much. Even as a kid I could see that every single SNES JRPG was deeper than Baldur's Gate II. WRPGs are just good at wasting your time making you do things you don't want to do to get to where you want to go. Probably based on some intermittent reward conditioning, fucking western devs
>>724262532>>good thingSince when braindead gameplay coupled with hours long cutscenes are good?
Most RPGs suck. I don't care if they come from Nipponland or Europa. 90% of them are garbage. European/white western devs and Japanese devs are capable of great stuff. But the RPG sphere is usually where they all rot.
>>724262448BG3 is good, even if you don't care about the single player, you can have tons of fun in coop.
>>724258471>Xenogears is about teenagers killing GodDon’t you save God though? The villain is a demiurge though.
I'd rather watch an anime or read a manga than playing a dumb JRPG. There are some good gameplay on these games every now and then, but it's hidden in a huge pile of shit--> bad pacing, bad writing, too much blahblah, ugly and bland chara design... son on and so forth
>>724262304Every single event in the game is scripted and scripted poorly. It doesn’t even simulate the passage of time like the original BG games did.
>>724252256I'd rather play VTMB than any of that shit to be honest.
>>724263005You do know you won't fool anyone that played the game, right?
>>724263005play the game next time before spouting lies and bullshit you fucking transexual
Name me a single jrpg that can generate these numbers.
>>724262719lol, you are just blatantly lying. Most people have played them, so why bother? I enjoyed stuff like FF4 on SNES, but it has no depth and the same could be said of most JRPGs of that era.
>>724252256I don't understand your post, anon. Are you claiming these statements as fact or are you asking why there's the perception that western RPGs aren't deep [compared to] JRPGs?In either case, it's simply just not true. Firstly, we need to set something straight here. There is no such thing as a "WRPG" The west invented what would crystallize as the role-playing game when D&D was developed. With that said, RPGs in the west begin and end with D&D, while JRPGs found their origins not through attempting to emulate the pen and paper experience, but rather by being informed through western RPG imports such as Wizardry and Ultima. Western RPGs have always had deeper mechanical and narrative role-playing experiences than those bred in Japan because they emphasize mechanical and narrative freedom. What JRPGs tend to do better than western ones comes down to things like presentation. This can give the perception of depth, but it's all window dressing
>>724263153>>724263182I played for over 30 hours and quit about half way through act 2, but I had to really push myself to get that far. It’s quite a bad game. As is typical for a WRPG, the gameplay and story are dull and the UI is painful. BG3’s setting is a generic, commercial fantasy setting created to sell the DnD tabletop role playing system which means it is dull and uninspired even by the standards of WRPGs. The moment that broke my resolve was the mission where you have to choose to rescue or hand over the magical girl that created the protective bubble over the hub area. It was so poorly scripted that whatever illusion I was under about the sophistication of the game was shattered.
>>724257484Depth and complexity are very different things. While BG3 may adapt the simple rule set of 5e, which consists almost entirely of Action/Bonus Action/Movement, one more thing it has up it sleeve is its simulation-like level of player interactivity. In a JRPG, you'll be tasked with finding a cure for someone with an ailment, which will lead you on a small quest to find a piece of herb in a forest. In BG3, you can still go find that herb, but a smart enough player would try to cast lesser restoration on the relevant character and circumnavigate the entire journey. In a JRPG, you'll be locked in a boss battle. In BG3, you can push the boss off a cliff and kill him instantly.
>>724264156Suuuure you did
>>724262243Real time with pause is doggy doo doo feces
>>724262875I have TB/tactical combat fatigue
>>724264342In EO you can lure certain bosses to favorable terrain before fighting. Many of the puzzles have to do with either avoiding or manipulating mini bosses throughout the dungeon using them to block other bosses, using them as platforms, to destroy terrain etc. In FFT you can literally throw rocks at certain enemies including some bosses and make them die from fall damage
>>724263182>bg3 fan calling someone else a troonoh my
>>724263314Elden Ring can technically be considered a JRPG (I personally wouldn't call it one though).Also, why do sales matter? Sales and current players don't dictate a games quality.
>>724264756Troon is just modern day's fag.
>>724263314i can't imagine any japanese game being as successful as elden ring.
>>724252908>the whitest of the white RPG seriesHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!
>>724264884Elden Ring is not a JRPG. It's an action RPG.
>>724264842It's not about sales, but longevity. BG3 is over 2 years old now and it still gets around 80k people a day, ER does perform pretty weak though, considering that it also has an online coop and mods too, 2 DLCs as well and yet the number isn't high enough.
>>724264658>what I really want in my RPG is the tabletop Sim experience, including the part where it takes 5 minutes to become my turn again because that's great gameplay
>>724264980BG3 is a a glorified dating simulator that's popular with w*men
>>724264995>What I want is to spend 30 minutes queueing up actions just so that I can pause again and spend another 30 minutes queueing a new set of actions because I have to react to my Paladin failing a save
>>724264884Anon, FromSoftware is japanese...
>>724252587>JRPGs have deep combat!>posts non JRPGs Kek
This is some of the most pathetic seething I've seen in a thread.
>>724264971>Elden Ring is not a JRPG. It's an action RPG.That's right guys. Kingdom Hearts? Mana? Star Ocean? Tales Of? Ys? None of them are JRPGs, ackkkshually.
>>724265208Those are all jrpgs though?
i summon the jrpg experts, what ps1 and ps2 jrpgs would you recommend?
>>724265290Yeah, just look at OP.
>>724265065They're just better at whan Nips have been trying to perfect for decades.
>>724265310Berwick Sags. Ring of Red. Any of the Tales except for Legendia Very enjoyable story though. Watch it on youtube . Growlancer. FFX
>>724265293The real difference between what makes an RPG a JRPG is the separation between exploration and combat. The two states of gameplay are completely different from one another.On that basis. Kingdom Hearts is not a JRPG, Tales of is.
>>724265113>30 minutesMore like 5 seconds because I'm not an abject retard
>RPGno such thing
>>724265391Nips target men when the larger, more ravenous audience for these types of games is w*men. Why else would you think they made BG3 so easy?
>>724265306FFT and FE are Tactical RPGs
>>724265113>spend 30 minutes queueing up actionsSo, actively playing instead of waiting for your turn that long? Do larian troons really?
>>724265494right now i'm trying Tales of Rebirth but holy fuck, every two steps I get and encounter and I either don't get the controls or the controls don't work properly because for example I want to backstep and it will happen once every five or so tries
>>724263736I'm asking why there is such a perception because post 90s I don't really get how they have evolved or gotten deeper than JRPGs.Nothing in this thread is convincing me. One anon name dropped an indie game, Underrail, which is pretty good but is literally just almost a 90s CRPG which just goes to show that is the last time RPGs made in the west were able to compete with JRPGs in these aspects.
>>724265701Zelda. You play the role of Zelda
>>724265391BG3 is an evolution of the Bioware dating sim (Mass Effect and Dragon Age).
>>724252256NV is better.
>>724265310Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Star Phantasy, Wild Arms, Grandia, Lunar.Should be enough, pick based on the cover you like the most.
>>724265310Here's my recommendations.Jade Cocoon & Jade Cocoon 2. Dark Cloud & Dark Cloud 2.Tear Ring Saga and Berwick Saga. Grandia and Grandia II. Tales of Destiny, Tales of Destiny 2, Tales of Abyss, and Tales of Eternia.Growlancer. Koudelka.Shadow Hearts, Shadow Hearts Covenant, and Shadow Hearts: From the New World.Final Fantasy Tactics and Final Fantasy IX.Honorable mention; this game isn't on the PS1 or 2, but it is one of the rare few N64 JRPGs. Ogre Battle 64.
>>724265887but how am i zelda if im me
>>724265878They're more mechanically complex, perhaps, but they're definitely not deeper. JRPGs will sometimes force you to engage with different kinds of mechanics (such as a stagger bar mechanic ala modern FF), but games like BG3 have more depth in how you can tackle any given situation. In that sense, JRPGs are as wide as an ocean but as shallow as puddles
>>724265793Yes they're jrpgs with a strategy element, but no one wants to call jsrpgs.
>>724252256The truth is that no RPG really works as it should, and Western ones aren't particularly good. Western games at least tried to offer players freedom to build their characters and adventures (the roleplaying part), but they're all laughably broken and fucked up. I used to play Fallout 2 when I was a kid, and I never managed to finish that piece of shit because all my saves ended up broken due to bugs.Western ones are mostly completely broken on every level, not just in gameplay full of exploits, but in software as well.Note: I recently been playing Divine Divinity, and the game simply self-destructed after 40 hours.It's no longer playable because the graphics are all messed up, and even installing and uninstalling the game doesn't permanently solve the problem. What's more, even without the glitches, it's quite possible that you won't be able to finish the game because its open nature can cause a multitude of bugs that prevent you from continuing the story, so much so that on Steam there's a guide on the order to do the quests so as not to break the game.
>>724266249Because you play the role of Zelda. Its like when you dressed up as your mom and played house as a 17 year old kid
>>724266065Ah yes, New Vegas, the game with an amazingly deep and complex battle system everyone!I have been completely and utterly beat like a god at the end of a jarpig/thread
>>724266270Cope. They are their own genre. I'm not saying JRPGs can't have good combat but conflating TRPGs with JRPGs is just a disingenuous cope
>>724266391Umm if you west you can't east?!?!? So how deep the game is?
>>724266341I don't know what that has to do with the video game
>>724266391The point isn't that NV is particularly deep or complex. The point is that even that trash heap is vastly superior to a JRPG in those terms.
>>724266391NV is fundamentally an amazing RPG.
>>724266429No they're srpg. And they're a sub set of jrpgs.
>>724266391Even broken jankfests like vtmb and nv are better than jarpigs.
New to the thread, but I feel like getting semantical about what is and what isn't a JRPG is kind of a waste of time, no? I don't see how Tales of and Final Fantasy can be considered JRPGs, but Final Fantasy Tactics and Kingdom Hearts/Fromsoft Soulslop can't be. Wouldn't it be better to instead label FFT as an SJRPG, and Kingdom Hearts as an AJRPG? Both games are still very clearly Japanese. They both have incredibly common JRPG tropes to boot.
>>724252256>I'm not saying that JRPGs are especially deep eitherThen why did you use an image of them as if to contrast what you said?
>>724266546Cope more I guess. Nothing I can do to educate someone like you. I don't have the crayons or patience
>>724263153>>724263182P.S. All you have to do to prove me wrong is give an example of a non-scripted or emergent event. (You can’t do this because BG3’s rigid game logic does not support this).
>>724252414Based, JRPG's combat is so simple and braindead
>>724266607JRPGs are Wizardry clones. We only call them JRPGs because japs kept making those old and simplistic style games for consoles after the west moved onto greener pastures.
>>724266581>jarpigsIs this supposed to be a new forced /v/ label or something? Haven't heard of this term until coming into this very thread.
>>724266796How fucking new are you redditors?
>>724266516Faggot I like New Vegas but the thread is about combat specifically.There is this constant need from fans of western RPGs to act all high and mighty literal decades after their RPGs were actually like that on forums and just everywhere online in general. Don't even get me started with the laughable stuff they say about WRPGs having better writing.Don't take it from me though:https://www.pcgamer.com/your-favourite-baldurs-gate-2-companions-were-a-bunch-of-cardboard-cut-outs-until-the-games-director-played-final-fantasy-7-and-felt-the-heat-of-competition/
>>724262719>every single SNES JRPG was deeper than Baldur's Gate IIweak bait, jarpigs don't even have positioning and picking skills on level up, you just press attack
>>724266796>Haven't heard of this term until coming into this very thread.lurk moar
>>724266254No wrpg has come close to the emergent gameplay of Elin and Elona + (both Japanese games).
>>724266607Because the term JRPG invokes a set of mechanical rules that are codified and identifiable. Let me blow your mind here. Pic related is a JRPG
>>724266741Wait, most most people call wizardry clones dungeon crawlers. Does that mean all Japanese dungeon crawlers are JRPGs? And if so, what about games like Tales of or any DQ/FF clone?
>>724264156>BG3’s setting is a genericah yes unlike jrpgs that always have teenagers killing god with power of friendship
>>724266825>>724266861I've been here for over ten years. I've literally never heard a single person call JRPGfags "jarpigs".
>>724266828>devs played a game and made a far superior productI don't see the issue? What does this supposed to show? Isn't FF7 the pinnacle of JRPGs or something?
>>724267016gb2r
>>724267016It's a term used by ancient westerners who were seething at the success of franchises like FF during the ps1 era while wrpgs were fading into obscurity
>>724266863>roguelike
>>724266863I know Elona, it's not a JRPG
>>724267004Teenagers killing gods isn't a setting you fucking dumbass.>>724266863Holy based. Legit the most immersive game I have ever played.
>>724266690nocturne is one of the worst games I've ever played, people who shill it as second coming of jesus deserve the rope, it's just generic jrpg wasting your life with random encounters and doesn't even have any story
>>724266953Nobody calls dungeon crawlers Wizardry clones, hell, Wizardry wasn't even the most popular dungeon crawler. I've barely touched the Tales of series, only Vesperia and Beseria, but I'd call them ARPGs. DQ/FF are JRPGs incarnate.
>>724266690HORY KINOOOOOO :OOO
>>724267049It was the pinnacle of rpg storytelling at the time because of its story and cinematics. The game itself is incredibly easy and easy to break but it still manages to simulate the intended journey. At the same time you had mechanically rich games like the Ogre Battle series
>>724267132You would be mad too when movie games were getting more popular with normalfags while games like Fallout were selling like shit.
looks like i don't have to visit /vrpg/ this week
>>724267158BG3's setting is the Forgotten Realms. A setting that dates back to the 60s, before the RPGs even existed. To Describe it as generic is like saying Lord of the Rings is generic. It's only so because it's one of the cornerstones that all modern RPGs are built off of.
>>724252587>>724252709>>724252908>You are brown>Nuh-uh, you are brown, im white!>Nuh-uh brownoid, im the aryan hereWill you fuckers ever understand that this shit doesnt work on a fucking anonymous imageboard?All RPGs are nerd shit, anyways.
>>724252256Modern RPGs are just shit, regardless if you put a J or W infront of it.I don't understand why you retarded ass niggers still use the terms WRPG and JRPG, they mean literally nothing. They have both fragmented into a bunch of different Sub-genres. WRPG can mean cinematic movie slop like CDPR/Warhorse, Open World Slop like Bethesda, CRPGs like Larian/Owlcat/inexile, ARPG Diablo-likes like PoE/Diablo.Meaniwhile JRPG can mean 4 niggas in a row, it can mean J-action slop like newer FF/Tales of/Xeno, it can mean SRPGs like FE, it can mean blobbers/DRPG like Wizardry-likes.If you're still using umbrella terms like RPG, WRPG, or JRPG unironicaly you are a stupid boomer who doesn't play games and hasn't discussed them outside of "general" boards like /v/ in years.
>>724267445Fuck it, it's a setting that all modern FANTASY is based on.
Ever since the 90s, japgods stay winning.These games came out the same year. Imagine playing Ultima Underworld as a shitty fucking westoid while the japgods got to enjoy a real hardcore dungeon crawler along with one of the best OSTs, mechanics and storytelling from the era.
>>724252256JRPGs only have 1 combat template. Either spam the highest damaging moves or exploit weaknesses.
>>724266690>look mom I posted it again!
>>724267539>smt>mechanics>storylol
>>724267445lol comparing it to LotR is the greatest insult to Tolkien’s work. Not even GRR Fatass could think of something more insulting.
>>724267576It should be posted in every single thread that praises jarpig combat.
>>724267632All modern RPGs are built on DnD whether you like it or not.
>>724267513WRPG isn't an actual term, it's only used by jarpig players.
>>724267445What? I didn't even say anything about it being generic though, I was making fun of the dumbass that said teenagers killing god is a setting.
>>724267569Add this to the Atlus side
>>724267539I'm glad I grew up with Ultima Underworld that birthed a bunch of amazing imsims.
>>724267569Unless you played on normal trying to do that in DQ11 will get you killed really fucking fast.You absolutely need buff/debuffs/status effect spam to deal with bosses
>>724266690>all that grinding he still almost lost on ez modelol
>>724267693If people are going to use JRPG as a term, then I will absolutely use WRPG.
>>724267539>Imagine playing a revolutionary and genre-defining game whilst jappas got to play some random rubbish that no cares aboutWeird flex.
>>724252256"Deep" for CRPG fags means having 50 pointless stats that you need to min-max (off which only 2 or 3 are actually useful and thus everyone winds up with similar builds) and 500 skills (of which 5 are useful) and 10 dialogue options, 7 of which are the same acceptance rephrased in different styles (eager beaver, snarky, cool coldsteel shit, etc.) and the other 3 are just various ways of turning it down/conversation enders.
>>724267513This, they're all imsims technically
>>724267919You can, but it will never become a recognizable term.
>>724267919You can, but that doesn't make it an actual term, it also doesn't describe anything about the game. Meanwhile if someone mentions a JRPG, you know exactly what they're talking about.
>>724266690>exploits weakness>deals higher damage>also gets free turns>delays enemy's turn tooMan, this literally railroads your strategic option into a single best one. Even Pokemon's combat system has more depth than this shit. Why the fuck do jarpiggers meme SMT as having deep combat system?
>>724262887yes, the guy who made/spams these images hasn't actually played those games. He was also exposed by posting on a big penis lovers forum (beepzors)
>>724267953>choices are... LE BAD??
>>724267219just use Estoma, you big retard
>>724267847>Sometimes, you need to used Potion too!
>>724267919They find the term WRPG insulting because they created the JRPG term so they can lob insults at Japanese games. They worry that the WRPG term will be used the same way. They don’t want western games scrutinized. Just remind them that they started it.
>>724268229*use
>>724268127>get farther>boss doesn't have a weaknessAAAIIIIEEEE PERSONA SAVE ME
>>724268229Nigger the scorpion will slap your shit if you dont spam blind it as the literal first boss in the game or keep max def up on your entire party which is near impossible to do since you wont have aoe buffs.Hero mode is no fucking joke in DQ11.
>>724268302Nobody's getting insulted lil nigga, you're the only one getting your feefees hurt over words
>>724268325Then, you pivot to this >>724267569
>>724267953You don’t need to min max anything in BG3. This is giving them too much credit. You can breeze through the game with 4 randomly generated fighters.
>>724252709And you will be replaced by superior brown stock
>>724268506Like Nips?
>>724268459Its actually wild how easy honor mode was.You get so many retarded broken potions and scrolls that the games a complete joke
>>724268420wrong
>>724268371You faggots are so used to just mindlessly spam one move that the concept of occasionally using buff/debuff/heal/item is as deep as rocket science.
>>724268583Nigger its a turn based game.What fucking else is there other than buff/debuff/status moves?
Are there more annoying people than WRPGfags?
>>724268583You faggots are so used to throwing bosses off a cliff before it starts that the concept of actually engaging with a deep combat system is as deep as quantum physics.
>>724268706Yeah, JRPGfags.
>>724252709>>724268506East Asians....aren't brown.
>>724268706No.
>>724268127No weakness was exploited in that video tho
Is there any CRPG with as many endings and branching paths as Fate Stay/Night ?It's around 3000 pages, 3 routes, plenty of bad endings with meta commentary on each ending.
>>724268226>just be underleveled and don't be able to beat the game bro
>>724268706no
>>724267569>>724267847this is in large part due to jrpgs having battles take place on a discreet layer of gameplay where everyone is squared up in each other's face>cant run away, if so you can run based on an arbitrary hidden percentage>cant line of sight enemies>cant sneak or place traps>most games you cant position anyone in an interesting way>everyone has an equal chance of getting hit>all characters are amorphous blobs of hit points, you cant target a leg to cripple speed or an arm to stop them from hitting every time>status effects dont really do anything except on harder difficulties where they become mandatory instead of tools in an arsenal and certain effects do not effect bosses so you cant form a playstyle around them>you can only make as many actions as you have guys>whenever a guy gets downed you have to waste two actions to prevent them from just getting killed again the cascading domino of effects from this battle type choice makes fights into basically binary checks, did you do the 'correct' action or did you not do the correct actionon easier modes: did you attack the guy until dead and heal/revive until it was over?on harder modes: did you use the correct order of status effects and debuffs until it was over?
The combat boils down to bigger number wins. Every time. Every JRPG I've played. It doesn't matter what tactics you use for the majority of the encounters in the game. There might be one or two enemies in the game with a specific weakness to a damage type, but it isn't the standard. A game like Final Fantasy Tactics, having tactics in the name, tactics are secondary and largely unnecessary. Flanking doesn't matter, what your party composition is doesn't matter, what matters is did you grind enough levels, or did you not grind enough levels. These games are designed to give you the feeling of accomplishment when you didn't have to use your brain to get through any encounter. Pokemon has more depth to it's tactics than most other JRPG's, though typically hardcore JRPG fans don't consider it a real JRPG. When the gameplay is as shallow as did you spam A buttion through enough trash mobs to get past the next encounter to experience the next segment of the story, I might as well just go watch an anime while fiddling with a fidget spinner for an hour between every episode. I barely classify JRPG's as video games, they're only pretending to be video games through obfuscation of the core mechanic.
Geinuely the most braindead thread I've seen in the last 2 seconds.>I know right, WRPG/JRPGfags are so retarded-You all need to kill yourself. RPGs are the most pseudo intellectual games of all fucking time. None of you are smart.
>>724268798Damn, is that the best you can come up with?>>724268897Your samefagging is obvious.
>>724267694 I was phone posting and butter fingers tapped the wrong post, sorry. It was mesnt for >>724264156 if I'm being honest I don't really know how that happened since your post are nowhere near each other
>>724268835>as many branching paths>3 routesYou can't make this shit up lmfao, go play your Fag Gay/Night or whatever.
>>724268761i've started to notice that like 99% of Japanese media uses almost completely Western motifs even most of the final fantasy games are basically European stories told by japanese peoplesmaybe onimusha, way of the samurai, yakuza, but i can't really think of many eastern games that have purely Eastern motifsdark souls is westernfinal fantasy is westerndragon quest is westernlunar legend is westerngolden sun is western
>>724252256Ehh i think WRPGs are either a hit or a miss, but when they are a hit, then they are really fucking good, like top tier games.JPRGs however are just mostly consistent but never that good, never that deep or never that impressive.Also depends on what you consider deep.Are we talking about gameplay systems? if so WRPGs easily win this, they have actual systems running inside the game and not just basic one for combat and then visual novel text prompts.If we are talking about stories, then you can make an argument because most WRPGs have generic stories, but then again who plays games for deep stories? thats retarded.
>>724257787>can you think of any jrpg where you can fight dozens if not hordes or enemies?The Last Remnant
>>724268229>I saved a 9000 word essay to make my point for me as a "gotcha" win in arguments because I'm too stupid to argue my point on my ownEmbarrassing
>>724252414>lame ass strategy game wannabe>b-but you can walk around and watch all the dice rolls be critical failures! that's good combat!
>>724268836just equip proper megatama, get proper demons, and use appropriate skills and items, you big retard
>>724269020based game pc port when
>>724268989Is this an issue? I consider that incredibly flattering.
>>724268993Nope, I am talking purely for combat systems as they are more objective to measure than stuff like story and writing.
dammm. this fat wrpgfag is losing it
>>724268706>FF16 and a RemakeThis image did not age well
>>724268459>You can breeze through the game with 4 randomly generated fighters.And it's actually better that way, because all of the premade character writing was shit
>>724252414>BG3 and Wasteland 3 mog any jrpg combat TB systemBaldur's Gate 3: YesWasteland 3: No i disagree, but its a solid combat system.
>>724269103Not particularly--but it is a bit ironic, all things considered.
I like them all.
>>724269027>copium overdose
>>724268926All those words just to say >If A JRPG has a bad combat system then it's bad
>>724269134those games actually came out, so it did actually
bro just play a better JRPG bro
>>724269220for me it's the obvious social life simulation shit that drives me insanei can't stomach gacha for that reason, women are not that nice to me in real life and i don't need to pay a cellphone game for the chance to gamble for affectionall soulless automatons begone
>>724269180I fail to see much irony. European fantasy is timeless. Anyone can slot themselves into a medieval fairy tale setting and feel right at home. I personally enjoy Eastern Asian fantasy a good deal, but it's frankly a much nicher side of fantasy most can't get into easily.
>>724253143Dude Owlcat games have nothing better only worse.Like there is nothing great about Owlcat games, nothing at all. I played them and i was very disappointed due to how shallow and lacking they were as games, you give your genre bad optics, let someone else talk.
Funny how the jarpigtard can't come up with any argument other than>le optional gay sex is... le bad??Man BG3 buckbroke you faggots.
>Sweaty wrpg loser is wasting his saturday night spamming his entire anti-JRPG folder because people aren't blindly agreeing with his shit tasteRethink your life choices my man
>>724268835PS:T
>>724268706>FF16 and a Remakethis aged very well
>>724253430BG3 combat is fucking baby shit tier.Level cap being 12 is the stupidest thing they could do. Like they just gave up and the character progression got cut together with the final 1/4th of the game.
>>724269274>clicking "attack" on .pngs for 100 hours on samey looking floors
I want a game with Dragon Quest 9's gameplay that didnt try to force puns into my brain every 6 seconds
>>724257713These people are clowns, they don't understand what gameplay means, they think hard = good. Any idiot can make you a hard game.
>>724269365Jarpigs just suck anon, they're archaic Wizardry clones that have not progressed since the 90s.
>>724268229this is nonsensical. RPG is a type of gameplay system, it doesnt care about what kind of games people are making 50 years from now.>its not actually an RPG because you dont do stuff that wasnt invented until laterlike wtf kind of logic is this?>irrelevance of JRPGsah, he's a neckbeard seething that his slop was replaced by anime. that explains it
>>724269418Oh NOW you want fancy graphics, long cutscenes and detailed worlds to adventure in and explore? I thought you guys were complaining that the battle system wasn't le deep enough?
>>724269496all EO players just get overpowered builds from the internetif you play it normally it's just grinding for hours until you do big enough number
>>724269274>betterIn what way? Looks like yet another menu simulator for phones.
>>724268957There's around 50 different endings.
>>724269242They were also mediocre and immediately forgotten about
>>724269479What was good about that one? I haven't delved too deep into DQ and am curious since I have a list of the ones I want to play (5, 7, 8 so far)
>>724269220So, WRPGs are for pretentious midwits while JRPGs are for friendless losers.Two flavors of virgin faggots
>>724269519>replacedSkyrim, Witcher, Fallout, Cyberpunk, BG3, all of these games have sold significantly more and have more relevance in gaming space today, while your jarpigs are dead and forgotten.
jrpg? more like menuslop
>>724269517meanwhile WRPGs have actively regressed into being JRPG-tier dating sims with excuse gameplay.
>>724269636DQ9 had a pretty nice class system (not perfect) but also had a feature where if you chained similar attacks together in a row (without being interrupted by the enemy's turn) there would be a stacking damage multiplier, up to double damage if all 4 of your guys did the same action in a row, which felt great when you manipulated your speed properly.
>>724252256I just miss actual roleplaying and choice in WRPGs. Even when the "evil" options were shallow they still mattered and were available. You could kill pretty much any NPC in the game including children and often had a choice to side with the villain in the end. If I'm playing a game for the characters and story, JRPGs beat modern WRPGs every single time. If I want to play a FPS with light RPG elements, there's better options too.
>>724269748>Skyrim, Witcher, Fallout, Cyberpunk, BG3all of which are completely dogshit as RPGs because they're made to appeal to normalfags and casuals.
>>724269826NV is still a king because of this, pretty sure BG3 has that option too.>>724269807>excuse gameplayNice cope, fucking Skyrim has better gameplay than your jarpigs, and base Skyrim is shit.
>>724269519>RPG is a type of gameplay systemYes, a "roleplaying" system. What does "role playing" mean to you?
>>724269906BG3 is absolutely an RPG in every sense of word, Witcher 3 is also more or less an RPG, certainly more of an RPG than jarpigs for sure.
>>724269712People who post a webm instead of coming up with an argument can't picture even the outline of an apple in their head
>>724269590you never played eoyou have no idea what you're talking aboutconsider never talking about eo again
>>724269807Agreed, but the classics are still great
>>724269964Yeah but BG3 is not even half as good as a mediocre RPG from the 90s, which means it's dogshit as an RPG.
>>724269342Because Asians constantly gloat about how great their games are when they wouldn't exist without Western motifs.
is there any jrpg that does anything even remotely like this
>>724269943it means controlling a character that uses skills in a role playing system, which JRPGs do.
>>724270065What makes it worse than those RPGs?
>>724269964>>724269906I feel like there should be a distinction between RPGs focusing on combat mechanics and story. This is literally apples vs oranges.
>>724269919>just side strafe and M1wow amazing gameplay, really beats select option on the menu, totally not equally shit at all
>>724270154It's in real time which makes it slightly better.
>>724252256What does deep even mean?
>>724270087>which JRPGs doThey don't.
>>724270094Writing, story, complexity, not going to shit after the sections playtested by early access retards
>>724270214Makes me feel really smart for discovering what the devs wanted me to discover
>>724269105Yeah that applies, its the same thing, WRPGs are a hit or a miss, even when it comes to Combat. Some of them have great combat and some of them have abysmal combat.When its a hit they do have better combat than any JRPG though. Most of them have abysmal combat though, so i can see where you are coming from.But look at Skyrim for example, while its combat is shallow and easy, its gameplay is actually miles ahead of most JRPGs. The best WRPGs are the ones that combine good combat with good general gameplay.
>>724269404You have no arguments against it, the combat in BG3 is masterclass, its the best of the best.
>>724269748If we're going by that metric than Pokémon is even more relevant
>>724270287All of them are there though? And they're decent at worst and fantastic at best.
>>724270087>controlling a character that uses skills>role play my warrior and select "attack" skill>role play my thief character and press "steal" skill>roll play my white wizard and press "heal" skillRiveting, I can really get into character here
The only points I've seen against JRPGs so far amount to:>they just suck>man, JRPGs just suck>muh grinding, muh linear level progression>Jarpigs just suck bro>muh Japanese cartoon >they really suck dude>Western RPGs are more """"complicated"""" and """""""""realistic""""""""" thefore it's good>JRPGs; boy do they suck>they're all muh dating sims (but it's okay when we do it)>they sure do suck>.....>........>JRPGs suck, man
>>724270421Pokemon is objectively garbage though, it's worse than all of those games and it's not even close.
>>724270287Anon you played those games when you were 14, trust me, they are not deep or complex.
>724270381Nigger get better material, seriously.
>>724270467This is what reading comprehension of a fetus looks like.
>>724270094The theme park and dating sim aspects designed around adhd shitskins and women audience
>>724270505>What is VGC?
>>724270073Most japs are honest about thisAlone in the Dark, Wizardry, Twin Peaks, Romero films, American thrillers and action films, D&D, Alice in Wonderland, Western European influences are everywhere in their works
>>724270562>The theme park and dating sim aspects designed around adhd shitskins and women audienceWe're talking about BG3 here, not Persona.
>>724270073>when they wouldn't exist without Western motifs.They admit this all the time.
>>724270086VNs would be more like, if you pick a certain dialogue option early on you will never even encounter those characters because they're tied to a different route.Those parts where branching paths lead to the same outcome rarely exist, instead dialogue prompts are usually tied to bad endings.
>>724252994Heavily outdated pic
>>724270467Weebniggers can't read, big surprise
>>724270381>combat in BG3 is masterclass, its the best of the best.Tell me when they make a fight as good as the final ones in bg2's watcher keep
>>724270723We had E33 this year, which practically shat on every jarpig made in the last 2 decades.
>>724270608Yes, I was taking about bg3 in comparison to better crpgs. I have never played persona.
>>724267149>>724267148They are both japanese rpgs but the opt for a sandbox gameplay experience as opposed to the typical linear story focused one
>>724270836You described Persona there anon.
>>724270298all wrpgs have dogshit combat systems and really bad general gameplay
>>724270834Dude, E33 has like the most tacked on lame ass forced relationship bullshit in ANY RPG ever.
>>724270907Morrowind has middling combat but great everything else, its openness, the variety of spells and the amount of combinations you can make, the way you can approach the problems you face in various of ways, that's what makes it good.
>>724270608lol got emSpeaking of Persona, that game is so fucking overrated. This is literally the gameplay loop.First you wake up to this annoying cat, you press X to advance the text, then you go down and press X to advance text so that you "drink your coffee" then you go to the school, the process of you going to that school is you walking around in a hallway, absolutely shameless world design there, after you watch a small cutscene you reach school then you press X to advance the text there, you may occasionally answer an exam question reuirement for that is 70IQ and above. After that you hang around with someone "dating sim" then you go back to your room and sleep.After like 10 hours you visit the "dungeon" which happens to be a bunch linear corridors with toddler tier puzzles, and then you engage with the combat. The combat is basically the same respawning enemies using the same attacks and responding to the same strategy over and over which is hit weak spell, switch turn, hit weak, until all weak then all out attack. This stays true the entire game (100+hour) and there is no better/asgood alternative plan.Spells and progression is just more spells but are bigger, so you have fire? the next spell is bigger fire and the one after it is even bigger, until you reach the biggest fire.Shallow game, shallow RPG.Players will: >Press X to advance text>Walk around a linear level>Buy soda from stylish menus>Engage in shallow TB combat>Choose 1 of 3 answers that dont really matter This is the entire game of Persona.Even Skyrim has better gameplay.
>>724270834Yes. E33 shat on every jarpig made in the last 2 decades by shamelessly copying 1:1 every jarpig made in the last 2 decades. Especially Persona 5. The devs even admitted it, them being huge Persona and Atlus fans and all
>>724270458>"Roleplay? I heckin LOVE roleplay!">Proceeds to make jewish subversions like gnome barbarians or atheist clerics>Drops the joke 2 sessions in and just winds up playing stats on a statblock anyways to hack and slash at monster like every other diablo clone.>"Heh, I'm so clever."
>>724270907What about gothic gameplay?
>>724271086>goes full /pol/tardedGet a new material nigger.
>>724270895I described bg3. I do admit combat was fun for a couple of hours, but quickly became a slog. None of the companions have good character writing. All have bombastic backgrounds at lvl 1, and that's the writers jumping the shark from the get out because their options are to either get more bombastic or become boring. Not to mention there is no concept of a boundary between friendship and eros.
>>724270836>comparison to better crpgsLike what?80% of CRPGs have shit gameplayThe 20% that have good gameplay are not as good as Larian games Your entire genre is overrated as fuck and you have awful taste.I'd take a good JRPG over those Crpgs you guys shill for.
>>724271104Gothic and it's derivatives are horseshit. It only rides on nostalgia.
>>724270907Compared to what?
>>724271014>>724271064hey man europoors beat them in their own game lmfao
>>724270907>I didn't play my role and now I suck at the game
>>724270776Ofc the Delusional retard is a BG2 fanboy lol
>>724271219Do you people enjoy anything? At all?
>>724271086Sounds like you cannot commit to a role.
>>724271086I'm not defending the way crpgs have gone since mid-late 2000s
>>724271104Sword Hero looks like what the PB imagined Gothic to be inside their head
>>724271219Gothic shits on pretty much every jarpig ever made.
>>724271147>TB fanYeah I'm never going to get through to you anyway. Have fun with your xcom "role play"
>>724271303>everyone in the thread is one personI liked pretty much every other RPG that released around that time, Gothic just was and is garbage in my opinion.
>>724271297>BG2 fanboyFallout was also good, as a roleplaying game. Since that's turn based, does that give you more common ground?
>>724267569ENTER
>>724271479Fallout combat is mediocre, have you even played it?
>>724271521It's an old ass game, anon, what do you expect? But it's still got great world building and character writing unlike bg3
>>724257713What i like about EO is how well it incorporates their random encounters into the gameplay loop via the radar and mapping, it tempts the player to keep going and play more around the edge of what is safe which is great since it adds tension partially because the resource(mana) system actually matters.
>instantly makes your jarpig more strategic in you're path
>>724271608lol, you guys talk out of your ass, stop being a poser.We are talking about combat, and...>Fallout>Character writinglmaoYeah i'd agree on Worldbuilding.
>>724271047I've played 30 hours of it for the first time this year and I had the worst time of my life. the combat is dogshit. all characters are copy pasted wikipedia articles. the soundtrack repeats one song infinitely. traveling throughout the world takes trillions of years because your character moves at snail's pace. the game is ugly as fuck in terms of both art style and graphics. the story and world feel like nonsensical shitposts written in a week by a drug addict. the gameplay makes games released before it like Gothic 1 feel like dynamic, fair, thought out, and polished masterpieces of game designif this is what wrpgfags consider the peak of their genre then I have fear seeing what's the worst this genre has to offer
>>724270907Delete that.
>>724271395Turn-based is the best form of Combat for Role-Playing games.Even the tabletops are playing in turn-based, its the gold standard.You have no argument against this btw
I've also found it interesting how RPGs try to give players many options, whether that be gameplay, dialogue or appearance, but JRPGs try to give players as little options as possible. To the point where most JRPGs don't even change the character's appearance when they equip armour.
>"real" RPG fans hate diceroll combatyep, I'm noticing...
>>724271845Jarpigs are reliant on their narrative, you cannot deviate from it.
>>724271714> the master had bad character writingYeah go back to your marvel writing in bg3 then faggot
>>724269365yeah pretty much
>>724271984Your samefagging is obvious.
>>724271820See:>>724264995
>>724271728Umm... I watched a video by some guy who used big words. He said it was good...
>>724271820Kek, I just tried imagining real time combat tabletop.
>>724268706Delete that as well.
easily one of my favorite JRPGs
>>724271916What narrative? >kill the god>kill the god2
>>724271845The effort in JRPGs is less in player choice to control the narrative and more on the autistic combat system. >But JRPGs are easy!They are designed to be beat by the common retard, but try to tackle any JRPG superboss without either studying it and the game system mechanics for 50 hours or consulting a detailed guide and you're going to have a bad time. Even WITH a guide some JRPG superbosses are a nightmare to beat.
>>724271728I hate Wrpg/Crpg fags as much as you, but you made some dumb takes here.Morrowind has great soundtrack, its very fitting for the game. The open world is objectively great, one of the best ones in games, its detailed and has a great sense of adventure, scale and atmosphere.Visually its outdated sure, but its not that bad, can be fixed with mods.Story is just generic fantasy stuff like most RPGsGameplay can be varied, since you can do more than straight combat, but it is the kind of jack of all trades game like all Elder Scrolls. Its at least better than those generic Crpgs from Owlcat or Obsidian.
hmm...
>>724272013your mental illness is obvious
>>724270847Still not a JRPG
>>724272047>Every enemy encounter is a real life dude the DM brings that you have to beat in a fist fight.
>>724272115hes already familiar with the game, he not only had that image ready to go but referred to its setting as being 'written in one week by a drug addict' a common meme about MK which is inaccurate on top of everything
>>724272162Fucking ew that language.
>>724272159anon. plesse. for the love of God. go outside and have sex
>>724271973Notice how you only had 1 character (who is just decent btw)You are 100% a poser, let me tell you that you gain nothing by flexing your taste as a poser, nobody cares that you like this old classic game anon, you are just another random gamer.
>>724252256Neither are really deep games in terms of challenge, RPGs in general are among the easiest genres. WRPGs do tend to have much deeper simulation, but this isn't always a good thing. Sometimes it just leads to having to manually loot a bunch of shit to sell. JRPGs definitely have the edge there just automatically giving you everything after battle without an encumbrance limit.
>>724272168They are. They're Japanese and they'rw more rpg than the games they're being compared to especially when they do everything people tout as strengths of the wrpg genre but better.
>>724272030Show me a clip of 5 minutes waiting for your turn.
>>724271728The whole WRPG genre is just one multi-decade extended cope trying to cover up the fact that ultima 7 switching to real-time combat was a mistake.>No, they were just ahead of their time, an RPG with real time combat will work if we just have better tech behind itThey say as WRPG combat gets worse and and more Mash-Mouse-To-Win every year.
>>724272296Caves of Qud is better.
>>724272192Just pay off a bunch of hobos to larp a gang of goblins and beat them up irl. Sounds more fun that it has any right to be.
>>724272047It's called Ad&d
>>724257787>can you think of any jrpg where you can fight dozens if not hordes or enemies?In Xenoblade games you can technically aggro endless mobs/as many mobs as you want within a specific aggro range, so much so that it became a meme in the second game where your audio just fucking gets drowned out with enemy's spewing lines.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNW93w8BLhc
>>724272368Qud is good but Elona has more emergent gameplay and more deeper systems of interaction.
>>724272114Even in gameplay they don't have many options.You can look at the standard thief class.In RPGs>In pickpocket enemies and take items they currently have>Can poison enemies>Can detect and disarm traps>Can lockpick doors and chests>Can actually sneak up on or past enemiesIn JRPGs>Steal just takes a random item from the enemies loot table>Can sometimes lockpick doors and chests>Can sometimes detect traps or secrets (I remember thief being able to find secrets in FFV)
>>724272240>you only had 1 characterYeah name me one then from bg3, stupid ass nigger
>>724272296They aren't. If your game strives for deep mechanical and narrative role-playing then you're not a JRPG, you're just an RPG that happens to be made in Japan.>wrpgThis is how we know the anon is retarded
>>724260557Westerners have never made good action games except for FPS by accident. It's because Western games mostly descend from D&D and tabletop wargames, they've forgotten the arcade roots.
>>724257787>can you think of any jrpg where you can fight dozens if not hordes or enemies?yea it's the intro of Lost Odyssey
>>724272105who the fuck created this meme? FF and SMT are the only even remotely mainstream series that fit this meme and that's like the last 5% of their stories. most JRPGs are either slice of life shit mixed with sifi or fantasy, political shit, or fighting with military or cultist organizations
Both sides of the world made the fatal mistake of leaving their dungeon crawling roots behind. We must return to dungeon.
>>724252414No joke but BG3 is absolutely filtering Nipgers. They think they're hot shit for killing gods in SMTs and FFs, but end up getting raped by some filthy goblins early in the game. Their go-to option whenever they get walled by something has always been grinding but since they can't grind here, they get stressed out because they actually need to use their brains.
>>724272339look up any goblin camp fight
>>724272497If a game is an rpg and made in Japan then it is a JRPG
>>724272280>Neither are really deep games in terms of challengeDeep = Challenging The most common mistake i see among amateurs is linking difficulty to gameplay quality.Deep gameplay is having complex gameplay systems working together.Super Meat Boy is hard but its gameplay is simple If you want to make your game hard and challenging then RPGs are a shit genre for this, because the whole idea of RPGs is you gaining levels, getting power and using stats and numbers to win.RPGs try to add moment to moment gameplay and decision making to add layers upon the game, but they should never go too hard because it renders stats pointless.The Alternative is to create a RPG that stats are a trap case, having one or two viable builds and the rest are shit, therefore making the roleplaying potential worse which is like the entire point of the game. Difficulty is a way down on the priority list, obviously the player should use their brain to win and you should aim to play correctly, but you don't need more than 6/10 challenge to create a good roleplaying experience.
>>724272651JRPG is a specific subgenre anon, why do you think so many people don't call ER a JRPG?
JRPGs:>see door>move towards door>either opens as I make contact with it or I have to press one button>easy entryWRPGs:>see door>as I move towards door, a tiny fragment from a nearby broken urn (physics!) catches my foot>character stops in place, vibrates while the footstep fx plays 5000 times a second, and eventually noclips through the floor>reload save, go around fragment>door keeps opening slightly and shutting in my face>go online>see that it's because my resolution is set too high or too low or whatever the fuck, because door physics are tied to screen size for some reason>go back in game>crashes when I try to pick a different resolution
>>724272651and it would be a misunderstanding of the definition of "role-play"
wrpg neckbeards are losing as always. you love to see it
Ys, Kingdom Hearts, and Elden Ring are JRPG
>>724272720Because it's an action rpg and the style is so distinct people just call it a "souls" game
>>724272793>on my way to selling like shitFaglustards are the most embarrassing faggots ever.
>>724272625Forgot pic
>>724272782Elona has more role playing in it than Bald Gay 3
>>724272546The meme predates SMT even being known about in the west, nevermind "mainstream". Yet that's the only series where you fight anything remotely resembling the christian god like the meme always implies(In SMTs case it literally is the christian god, granted). And when you press them on it they'll say "oh the meme is A god, in a polytheistic way" which it definitely isn't, and then they'll fail to procduce examples of even that, in fact most of the time the examples they give are Satan analogues, the exact opposite of the meme. It's little more than nonsense pulled from nowhere that got repeated often enough that no one questions it.
>>724272474I said combat system and you bring up out of combat mechanics. Did you even read my post?
>>724272546>who the fuck created this memeI don't know but it's hilarious to me how often that's true. It could be 99% some other story about overcoming hardships and discovering good in the world or whatever, but ending is just as important, and in typical for themselves fashion, japs can't fucking stick a landing to save their lives. So it's some made up bullshit aspull godlike (not necessarily the capital G) entity pulling the strings all the time, even if it's not mentioned in the story in a single line. And endings are what people WILL remember, because it's literally the last thing they see in a game, not counting the ususal post endgame stuff, not everyone does that.
>>724252256What combat system is in the bottom right of the image?I swear I've seen it before, but I can't place it.
>>724272793PC remaster port never
>>724272880I don't like bg3, and I agree
>>724272691>because the whole idea of RPGs is you gaining levels, getting power and using stats and numbers to win.>t.doesn't play RPGs
>>724272926name 40 exemples
>>724272625The good thing about BG3 combat is not that its hard or whatever. Its how flexiable the combat is, the dynamic gameplay altering the fights, the encounter design being unique, the level design faciliating that, the amount of spells and abilities that can be useful, the animations that are smooth and look cool, the tactical elements such as verticality, light, elemental terrain, objects, synergies, the accessible controls and UI.Obviously it does offer satisfying challenge at higher difficulties, but when you figure out the game just like any other game it becomes easier, so anyone can lower the difficulty or tweak the slides for easy time, you can follow a guide there is plenty of them on youtube with millions of views, i dont think its an obstacle to anyone with 3 digits of iq
>>724272691"Depth" means you can keep coming back for more and discovering cool things vs "surface level" shit that gets old quick. Literally all it means.
>this entire threadI thought this would be a comfy lurk. What a fucking shitfest.
>>724272894Combat mechanics are part of the combat system. Still, there's nothing really unique about JRPGs and trying to make numbers bigger.
>>724272635so you won't Post the clip?
>>724271047>the way you can approach the problems you face in various of waysWhich unfortunately means all problems are trivial to deal with
>>724272870>VNigger plays a real game first time in his life
>>724273089>Its how flexiable the combat is>throwing health potions on the ground to heal is so coolLarian surface effects have been a disaster for the entire genre
>>724272546Redditors who don't play JRPGs. Some of them may play the two series you mentioned. See a lot of posers in this thread.
>>724273201That's bound to happen when you're given many different choices.
>>724273134Looks great, I'm laying out arguments, come join
>>724272691Honestly, some more traditional roguelikes like Brogue or Shiren do a good job of not being very reliant on stats, to the point of not even really having any besides HP and STR, and I think they're better for it. They tend to be more about resource management instead, or clever problem-solving in a kind of immersive sim way.But then they are kinda the odd ones out I suppose, being unlike other RPGs and almost more like arcade games in a way.
>>724272947Pls respond :(
>>724273189I'm not going to play a game I hate just to show you, so no. Again, go find a yt vid. Google "bg3 combat is a slog" and see all the complaints about the encounter.
>>724273134that's wrpg neckbeards for you
>>724272474I'm glad Ryoko Kui is a huge westaboo, unlike other Japanese mangaka and authors who take inspirations from DQ and produce isekai slops.
>>724273228I disagree, adding layers to combat makes it more interesting.
>>724273338>create an inflammatory thread>get ragebait replies
>>724270563not videogames
>>724273334Find one for me and post it here then.>5 minutes to wait for your turnI'm going to call you out if its not that.
>>724273368It was fun the first time. But it quickly becomes too much of a focus of the combat.
>>724273089People think about it the wrong way. It sucks as a RPG combat, because the most fun with Larian RPGs is playing around with the environment and trying to break the game with tools available. One of my favourite things to do in OS2 I think was just abusing teleport to cheese most encounters.
>>724273148Play games you want to talk about before talking about them. It will make you look less like a clown next time. Just saying. All of your attempts at trolling have been colossal failures so fair.
>>724272880And Elona is babby's first ToME. Fuck off.
>>724273441I already told you I wouldn't, you dumb nigger.
>>724273129I can get behind that too, but that happens because more gameplay systems work together which creates this thing you describe.
I like it when fantasy rpgs have sudden sci-fi influence thank you for reading
>>724273483that armor set has a glaring weakpoint
>>724272870It must be extremely jarring to go from JRPGs where combat takes place in an alternate dimension. To an RPG where combat takes place in the world and that non-hostile NPC you walked past turns out to be an enemy when combat starts.
>>724272606Most based post in this whole thread.
>>724273545If you're not going to back up your statement then its better to just make a post saying "I'm the blackest most retarded gorilla on this planet" and then we clap and call it a day.
>>724270723Yukari deserved so much better
>>724273483Okay. What's autistic about this combat system then?
>>724273562Yeah. I like to use music as an example here. Classical music has depth. You can listen with specific goals in mind, focus on each individual instrument, timing, motifs, etc. Surface level would be any 4/4 mainstream radio song since 2008.
>>724272810Nooo they aren't, because we'll, uhh, you see, because like, ummm, well.....THEY JUST AREN'T, OKAY???
Whats that UI in the top right from
>>724273481Not really, i did one honor run without any cheese and it was super fun, you have a lot of cool tactics to apply and its satisfying to see take effect. No idea what rpg combat is supposed to be like, I'm not someone who figures out the basics and hold to them in the corner refusing to make progress if thats what you are talking about, its a good thing that they tried to make their own style of TB and it paid with success.
>>724272810JRPGs are better with Action combat and WRPGs are better with turnbasedGenerally western games do better with guns and strategy while Japanese do better with swords, fists & ninjas
>>724273280No thanks. To many obnoxious dipshits.>>724273338I enjoy both WRPGs and JRPGs and i can see why people would prefer one over another. But the discussion in this thread was already derailed before it even begone, there's no point in engaging in it now.
>>724273623>if you're not going to include the whole book in your citation why even have a reference to it?This is what you sound like. I gave you a reference. You have the means to look it up. You also have the means to prove me wrong by posting a clip of an average Joe (not speed runner) playing the section I referenced, but you won't because you care as little as I do.>inb4 its "its not my responsibility to prove a negative"
>>724273326Grandia II
Most people slandering JRPGs have literally only played the normiest of games. Nothing outside of Final Fantasy, Persona, Pokémon, and MAAAYBE Dragon Quest and Shin Megami Tensei. I don't hate WRPGs. Infact, I love Gothic and Marrowind. But I don't think many of you have experienced many games in the JRPG genre. Also, anytime you guys actually like a game that, for all intents and purposes, is a JRPG, you try your hardest to label it something else.
>>724274031This applies to the other side as well, a lot of Jrpg fans i talk to only know Skyrim, Witcher and Fallout.
>>724274031Identitarianism. I mention I hate bg3 and all the bg3 lovers accused me of being a persona fan, when its easy to see bg3 is a far cry of what wrpgs used to be.
>>724274031If people don't like the flagship titles in the genre, why would they like the more niche games?
>>724274251>If people don't like McDonalds burgers why would they try a steak?
>>724274251Because the fans of the genre didn't make those games. Because Normie's can go work for a AAA company and shit out a big budget flop and you will group us into it because you're an outsider.
>>724274203I agree. This massive issue here is that most on both sides haven't bothered giving these genres their due-diligence. No one here seems to understand what makes the other side's games good at all. The only thing anyone has to go of off is the most overrated goyslop shilled on Reddit.
>>724273729Thought it might be God Eater but no, can't find anything about it.
>>724274321>Food analogy>Two completely different type of foods>>724274337Wut? DQ and FF are literally pioneers of the genre.
>>724274031I've played all the niche hardcore JRPGs and Dragon Quest mogs all of them.
>>724274251How would they shill the games otherwise? If you don't like Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy or Persona or Chrono Trigger then you won't like JRPGThe niche games are just less forgiving, look uglier, have worse stories and are more convoluted, they dont solve the issues that someone who don't like JRPG will complain about.
>>724274494>Wut? DQ and FF are literally pioneers of the genre.I wouldn't know, I'm not a jrpg fan
>>724273965Thanks, you're a real one anon.
WHY DO THEY KEEP DOING THIS TO JRPGS
>>724274031oh shut the fuck up. most non normie jrpgs are literally the slop of the slop 1000s of ps1 and ps2 "rpgs" which boil down to just attack and heal simulators
Frankly, "Role Playing Game", as a genre, is a fucking awful way to categorize a game (which is to be expected for most Vidya "genres").It gets even worse when you try to lable games based on regions. Games like Dragon's Dogma exsist.
>>724273695you collect dead peopleyou can collect like billions of them and every one has a different role and background after they reach a certain level you can either keep them in your army party or release them which affects the later gameyou can assign everyone to a different button everyone has their own sets of moves that you can customizeyou can mix the moves depending on both the botton combinations, limit gauge, timing, and the position of everyone on the mapyou can control every member of your army party separately, swap them, and also give commandsyou can decide if you want to fight fast and dynamically in real time or more strategically and turn basedyou can customize the camera to either third person action game or an isometric strategy gamealmost every single enemy has a dismemberment system that lets you get different items depending on which body part you attackevery enemy also has advanced physics and you have to take it in account to maximize your strategythere's a strict limit to how many times you can use items, spells, or skills in every fight so you can't spam or rely on one tactic for longall of this is introduced in like the first hour of the game and it gets better and better. the game is Valkyrie Profile 2 Silmeria btw. highly recommend it desu. it's pretty sick
>>724274679Examples?
>>724267539there's no way you played smt1 like mechanicsnigga what and story? theirs like 1 cool scene in the entire game
>>724274706There is RPG and Action RPG.Everything else is tryhard nonsense.JRPG means Japanese Roleplaying Game It can be RPG and ARPG WRPG means (Non)Japanese/Asian Roleplaying GameIt can also be RPG and ARPG Everything else is "tags"like TRPG thats a tagSRPG is a tagRTWP is a tagTB is a tagOpen world is a tag None of these are genres.
>>724274580Well for RPGs, if someone doesn't like BG3, TES or Witcher, why would you expect them to try the niche titles?
>>724274706It's like imsim but worse. "Role playing is where you play as another character and use their skills" as if that doesn't describe just about every vidya ever
>>724252776idk man i fucks with 3-4 niggas in a row games. Mario RPG, Chrono Trigger, FF9, etc. theyre fun and can offer interesting gameplay experiences.
>>724274778Is this chick the protag? Might try it out on PCSX2 if she is.
>>724272793smt4 is a bad game.the entire law and chaos shit in this game is pants on head retarded, how you get put into alignment doesn't matter and annoying if you want neutral (the actual ending), and the ai is really exploitableall of those epic strategies don't matter, the ai is coded to only use its good attacks when buffs are used so if you just turn off your brain and only spam damage/heals you will win with zero effort.
>>724274846Good games in the genre weren't niche, they were AAA titles that built the foundation for the entire genre. You only think they're niche because time has passed and gaming now has to appeal to a larger audience.
>>724274846Not that anon but RPGs have 3 types.Isometic3D Blobber You try one of each and if you dont like any of them, then you can leave the genre behind, you always try the gold standard games, there is like 3 each.Gold standard games will let you know for sure if you belong here or not.
>>724274706"role playing" refers to a gameplay system derived from wargaming, but people get confuse with the non-gaming term and think it means a game where you wear a costume and play pretend>>724274854character skill checks are a pretty distinct feature of role playing games
>>724273483>>724273587God bless Shunya Yamashita
>>724270907guy's playing the game wrong. you have to power attack with that weapon.
>>724266429You dumb nigger THE J IN JRPG MEANS JAPANESE. IF IT IS A JAPANESE RPG THEN IT COUNTS.
>>724259801Yes, you can see this with non-organic things like the term "tranime".
>>724275009Pretty sure Arcanum was a niche game, and Fallout was niche before it got scooped up by Bethesda too. And you still have niche games today like Underrail or the Wasteland sequels.>>724275043But a newbie isn't going to know about those distinctions, that's the thing. They'll google for the best RPGs, get the most popular games, try a couple and decide if they like the genre.
>>724272651A JRPG is a subgenre of game that emphasizes a preset narrative over a player-driven one. It also separates exploration and combat as two distinct forms of gameplay. To the point that most JRPGs transport you to a completely different area that is supposed to represent an arena in which you have this battle. There are, but they are so few that they help prove the ruleThis is how I can unironically state that a game such as Lord of the Rings the Third Age is 100% a JRPG despite being made in the west by EAhttps://youtu.be/9nJMQ299L3g?si=aUMiUfkRn-yxkK6L
>>724275000Yes she is and she's super cute, fragile, and breedable. There's a catch tho. She has a Goddess inside her head that makes her go from a cute dendere loli to a cold stone bitch Kuudere. The game is amazing either way. One of the best and most underrated games of the entire six-gen and one of the most underrated JRPGS ever made. Highly recommend it desu
>>724252256>...while JRPGs continued experimenting and came up with several great combat systems.Such as 4 niggers in a row. 4 niggers in a row. 5 niggers in a row. And bajillion niggers in a row. They all spam weakness exploiting moves btw.
>>724274846BG3 sucksTES (is pretty good but) sucks in all modern iterations of it.The Witcher SUCKS SO MUCH
>>724275434SOLD
>>724273494Other way around. ToME is way less immersive and far more linear.
>>724275434I just wanted a simple yes or no bro, hopefully that wasn't supposed to be an important revelation.
>>724275402>Pretty sure...Fallout was niche before it got scooped up by Bethesda tooWell you're wrong, interplay was AAA during the 90s, moreso than Bethesda at the time.
>>724275503Armed Fantasia is fucking dead.
>>724275429>A JRPG is headcannon strawman used to make my jank imsim sound good by comparison
>>724274778>>724275434pettit scandinavian girls erotic
>>724275503Every single game in the image has a unique battle system. They all iterate on eachother sure but it's facetious and intentionally misleading to put 4 press turn games (all made by the same company) up against Romancing Saga 2 (a reinterpretation of a classic game), Armed Fantasia (A GAME THAT ISN'T EVEN OUT), a Digimon game which has it's own system and a square enix game which copies from older FF titles and then call them all the same. YOU ALSO USUALLY HAVE FOUR NIGGERS IF NOT LESS IN MOST WESTERN ROLE PLAYING GAMES. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT YOU SPIDERMONKEY.
The different RPGs I've played recently:>Diablo 3It's addictive, but I find it quite mindless in the sense that I spend 5 minutes thinking and experimenting, and then 2 hours mashing buttons.>Dragon Quest 3 HD RemasterI'm enjoying it mainly because of the freedom to create different characters and add and remove them from the party. One thing people don't notice is that making balanced and obvious parties isn't the best way to play these games. Making a clearly wrong party is what creates interesting situations.>Divine DivinityThe story is interesting, but the battle is very flawed.>Class of Heroes 1I don't like it very much. I think Wizardry's influence in Japan was not a good thing for humanity.>Phantom Brave PCAutists love this game but I haven't figured out why yet. I need to play more to begin to understand the game's premise better. I liked the beginning, though.
>>724275713Interplay was most definitely not AAA.
>>724274637lookin' good!
>>724275808>He has no argumentGood
>>724270505I could say the same about all the games listed and yet they still sold worse than Pokémon. You used the salea and relevance argument so you have to live with pokemon being the pinnacle of rpgs.
>>724276292The argument is that a JRPG is a Japanese RPG not just final fantasy because it made you seethe in the 90s.
>>724275886>Every single game in the image has a unique battle system. They all iterate on eachother sure but it's facetious and intentionally misleading to put 4 press turn games (all made by the same company) up against Romancing Saga 2 (a reinterpretation of a classic game), Armed Fantasia (A GAME THAT ISN'T EVEN OUT), a Digimon game which has it's own system and a square enix game which copies from older FF titles and then call them all the sameYeah man, spamming Firaga on ice demons is such a new and unique experience compared to spamming Pepper Breath on ice Digimons.>YOU ALSO USUALLY HAVE FOUR NIGGERS IF NOT LESS IN MOST WESTERN ROLE PLAYING GAMES.WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT YOU SPIDERMONKEY.The four niggers in WRPG actually need to navigate the battlefield and mind their positioning, you fucking retarded disingenuous nigger.
>>724276139interplay was, in-fact, AAA during the 90sI don't know why you think stating the opposite is going to do, anyone with half a brain knows that interplay was a HUGE company worth millions of dollars.Do you niggers just not read?
>>724270086You're not even allowed to choose Yes or No in a jarpig lmao
>>724276610It's the same in WRPGs except you go through more dialogue boxes and don't get the panty shot
>>724276379>The four niggers in WRPG actually need to navigate the battlefield and mind their positioning, you fucking retarded disingenuous nigger.This is not inherently true for every WRPG. Even if it were, positioning is a bad mechanic and getting rid of it was a thing that was done BY WIZARDRY. Western RPGs LITERALLY did this first and you can't blame the Japanese for copying the games they like. "Navigate the battlefield" Nigger, play advance wars, disgaea, fft, unicorn overlord, ogrebattle/tactics ogre, shining force, farland saga etc. These have the exact same shit as western games.RPGs of all eras and from all places have always had these. Just because story-focused JRPGs with a more cohesive narrative are common does not mean that these other elements do not exist in JRPGs. You can beat so many western RPGs with one nigger. I don't think you can say the same thing about most JRPGs.
>>724252256>The combat is either spamming super-effective moves or whatever strongest moves in your repertoire.>Use buff, debuff and heal occasionally, most of the time.>The chara building is so simple and straightforward: equip your Hero Boy with whatever Sword and Armor with the biggest number in your inventory and dump points into STR.>In some games, chara stats even increase automatically upon a level up so even lesser stuff for players to think about.My god, this has gotta be the most mind-numbingly braindead genre in the industry. Even zoomerslops like Fortnite and Roblox probably require more brain cells to play than this slop of a genre. No wonder people never talk about the gameplay because there's barely any to speak of. You press one button, you watch a 2-minute long cinematic experience cutscene of Hero Boy yelling something unintelligible in Nip Nong and doing a flashy sword slicing attack, and you repeat this ad nauseam until the three Slimes in a row die. I really don't see the appeal of this genre when tactical turn-based exists and is far superior.
>>724276824>play advance warsToddler's first TB game>disgaea, fft, ogrebattle/tactics ogre, shining force, farland saga etc.Discount XCOM and JA>unicorn overlordAutobattler for gachatrannies
>>724276692You only get black void in jarpigs though
>>724276380Yeah. their publishing branch, not the actual dev team.
>>724276376You have no argument. That's fine.
>>724275429There are exceptions*
>>724277287Your argument is being a bitter schizo who needs to fight strawman because his imsim crashed twice in the last hour.
>>724276901I did everything in DQ11 with all the draconian quests, and you have to use all the tools the game gives you to win. In this part of the desert, the enemies will completely screw you over, but Serena has dazzle (group), and you have to use that all the time to significantly reduce the chance of enemies hitting you and start winning the battles. Then, in the boss battle, you can use Erik's ability to cause 6x damage with his knife when the enemy is poisoned/asleep (depending on the skills).In other words, the DQ battle is like a card game, it's all based on luck, but with the right moves you considerably increase your chances of winning battles, and that's the whole logic of the game. Learn as much as possible about what each skill and spell does, and play the right cards during battles.Of course, ultra-normalfag casual retards like you will never understand any of this because your interaction with video games is only superficial.
>>724252256Japanese gamers think Skyrim is deep. That's all you need to know about the absolute state of JRPG.
>>724277193>Yeah. their publishing branch, not the actual dev team.Anon you do realize AA/AAA only refers to the budget for the game? Baldurs gate 1 had the same budget as starcraft. (5 million). Fallout was 3 million. GoldenEye and unreal tournament were 2 million.
>>724276610SMT and Persona have dialogue choices, though.
I genuinely don't understand how any anon argues that JRPGs are "menu simulators" but turn based WRPGs aren't the exact fucking same all because instead of a selecting a word, you select a fucking icon or hotbar. Bunch of slack jawed faggots in here
>>724277063oh you're just a lying nigger nevermind lol.
>>724277435>I did everything in DQ11 with all the draconian quests, and you have to use all the tools the game gives you to win.>In this part of the desert, the enemies will completely screw you over, but Serena has dazzle (group), and you have to use that all the time to significantly reduce the chance of enemies hitting you and start winning the battles.>Then, in the boss battle, you can use Erik's ability to cause 6x damage with his knife when the enemy is poisoned/asleep (depending on the skills).Is this your fucking first time using buff or debuff? This shit isn't exclusive to DQ, in fact it's part and parcel in WRPG. In fact, its implementation in DQ and other JRPGs is actually the casualized version. Nothing to write home about. Casting buff/debuff actually takes time, have range, and can be interrupted in WRPG, not a click of a button on a menu.
>>724272606HOLY BASED
>>724277383The only schizo here is you. You keep saying I'm seething and making up strawmans despite never actually having said anything bad about JRPGs. I've described what constitutes a vast majority of JRPGs. You have no argument. That's ok tho.
>>724277536I was referring to the worth millions bit. But I did not know that Fallout had a 3mil budget.
