Vidya wise, where does vampire the masquerade even go from here? Vtmb3 probably won’t be made and even if it does, it’ll be bad, and is there anything else even coming? Are we doomed to have just 1 good game ever?
I can't tell you how many times I've fantasized about what kinds of other WoD games we could have had in the decades since Bloodlines. But the real problem these days is the Nu-WoD itself, the faggotry and gay shit is hard-baked into the setting now. So even a 'good' game would be full of gay and stupid shit.
>>724253262Only fan projects can save it at this pointhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-0DA42c1-o
I could go for another overhead RPG like Redemption.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1926120/Vampire_The_Masquerade__Heartless_Lullaby/If the full version heartless symphony comes out then it should be pretty good
>>724253848this
>>724253471What all fan projects are there?
>>724255648That is the only currently active and promising one I know of.
>>724255760I wish the game jam stuff would’ve resulted in more, but heartless symphony is the only one that may end up being anything, and the devs admitted it’s basically in dev hell too
>>724253262Vampires are fags. They're a metaphor for faggots. It's a setting that is attractive to faggots and will always be filled with AIDS and butt cancer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2pil1OwHrk
>>724257456Nobody cares nigger
>>724257456ok
Vtmb3, yes they’re going to make it since this one has sold reasonably well
>>724258534>sold wellNo it fucking hasn’t
>>724253262I doubt we get another good game anytime soon
>>724253262>Vidya wise, where does vampire the masquerade even go from here?A Nortubel crossover
>>724260782That looks like total dogshit
>>724253262>Vtmb2 be like...asian lives don't matter...kill themYou won't get a new game just because of that.
I'm only interested in vampires because I'm working on a game where you get to kill a bunch.
>>724257456>Ann Rice Well obviously all of her vampires are gay because its basically proto-fujo vampire fan-fiction. Go read bram stoker's dracula, it isn't a very long book, and once you get used to the dialogue, its a pretty simple read, and its good to read source material (Frankenstein is in the same vein). He's a red-blooded heterosexual with slutty vampire brides, and he spent a thousand years looking for his waifu to be reborn so he can make her a vampire and give god the middle finger forever.
>>724253262vtmb remastered
>>724261095>I'm working on a game where you get to kill a bunch.I don't know anon, making vampires the bad guys of a video game just as lazy as using zombies or nazi's, or nazi zombies. I'm not knocking it as a general idea, but I don't want to be fighting vampires unless its a werewolf game, or a badass van-helsing and/or D style vampire hunter I'm not interested. And also fuck you Evil West. I've never had a game I wanted to like that spit in my face as quickly as that one did.
>>724253262>Vtmb3 probably won’t be made and even if it does, it’ll be badThe odds aren't stacked in it's favor, sure, but you never know.
I didn’t mind vtmb2 but it’s really only fun for 1 playthrough. Fabien’s sections are cancer gameplay wise
>>724253262vampire as a franchise is over, paradox is shit and so is white wolf
>>724262060>really only fun for 1 playthroughI wish i was having fun, I cant play the game for more than a few hours because its just so mind numbingly boring
>>724262824Put it on easy, get fun powers and you’re basically a vampire god, which is how this one should be plot wise
>>724254095The game jam version was pretty shit so i doubt the DE-lite full game will be all that good
>>724261269not until the rights issues are sorted out
>>724261153What about Carmilla?That's older than Dracula and is all about lesbians/
>>724262992At this point i’ll take what i can get if it’s an rpg
>>724253459This its sadly just a dead wirld. Its a fundementally edgy setting thats afraid to push boundries now
>>724253459Pretty much this, the modern tabletop fanbase and setting itself is so fucking pozzed I don't think they can ever really recover.
I just don’t get why they don’t license it out for an isometric crpg. The budget on those is usually pretty low
>>724261367BUT MUH GAUNTLET!!
>>724263504WW and Paradox are incompetent
>>724263624They must be because owlcat or some polish dev would be willing to give it a shot. Cdprojekt should just throw a shit ton of money at them
>>724261367The game will be about hunting various supernatural creatures so it's not just about vampires. It's formatted like a road trip where you take out monsters as you travel across the US. Honestly considering zombies or some kind of shambling undead type as an early/midgame threat to introduce the player to a more action-oriented middle of the game before you get to werewolves, vampires, and maybe some more original threats. But I'm not there yet so I have time to think of more interesting ideas and plan stuff out.
>>724263725I hope it isn’t pixel shit or an asset flip
>>724257456Vampires are kikes who have the blood disease. They are romanticized in hollywood to try to make them cool or attractive.
>>724263876They are cool and also evil, it’s a fantasy anon
>>724263837i'd rather hang myself than let that happen
>>724253459>the faggotry and gay shit is hard-baked into the setting now>nowIt always had edgy and gay shit. It was just edgy shit most were capable of tolerating or even finding some aspects of it cool.
>>724264279it was always edgy and weepy goth shit true, but there surely was nothing as bad as R*di
>>724264372>speak the devils name and he appears
>>724264762>gangrel >anarchOk it makes sense he’s a degenerate, that’s nothing out of character
>>724253262>Vidya wise, where does vampire the masquerade even go from here?Either Swansong 2, VTMB3 or a 3rd person action game that's closer to Blood Hunt than what Bloodlines 2 is.Personally I'm hoping for a single player version of Blood Hunt, VTMB2 lifted a bunch from that game, just bring back the character customization and 3rd person combat and it would be an absolute winner.The VTM games have their audience and niche pretty much locked down at this point with how they're pumping out a new game almost every October. If you want to play as a vampire in a contemporary setting what other games are there?
>>724265114Shame all those games are CYOA novels which don't appeal to anyone outside of VtM fanbase, that's why games like Bloodhunt and Bloodlines are important to attract new blood to the IP.
>>724264372Yes, quality is an important factor but it's still mostly about things you - and the majority - can tolerate and those they cannot. Just 200 years ago for merely writing down something like picrel you at best would have ended in the tender care of someone like Grout or, worse yet, Freud.
>>724265598Swansong wasn’t cyoa and it’s rpg but has no combat and a very slow pace
>>724264372https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Cherubim_(VTM)
>>724265795So Swansong is basically a CYOA novel with a higher budget and doesn't appeal to anyone outside of the fanbase
>>724253459>But the real problem these days is the Nu-WoD itself,This
>>724265858It's sort of more like a CRPG, since your actual physical investigation matters too instead of picking and choosing what you can get off doing
Gimme a game based in Mage, or even, play as an agent of the Technocracy, but then you just have Deus Ex with magic i guess
>>724268362This is a technocracy game.
>>724268362>play as an agent of the Technocracywill never happen modern WW doesn't like players having the option for the evil faction like Sabbat, Pentax ect.
>>724268686fair enough, hell, you could make an XCOM clone but instead of Xenos its dealing with consensus violations and cleanup
>>724268362wouldn't mage have an intense amount of potential fuckery to account for?
I just don’t get how these ceos don’t see>bg3 make lots of money>isometric cheap>we make cheap vampire rpg and make good money
>>724269440Paradox is making an Isometric CRPG, it's even been mentioned in this thread.
>>724269153Yes and no, Technocratic mages are really limited by their Paradigm, so for example to do a teleportation spell you'd need to have something like a Portal gun, you can't "just do it", people exagerate how crazy mage actually is in in play, there are many limitations in place so an actual game can be played.
>>724269440They'd try to make it cheap in every regard. As in shit.
>>724253262Its done for. I know actual real life trannies who refuse to run nu-WoD games because the setting is so toothless now. They can't even keep the one demographic they wanted
>>724269440imagine
>>724269835Paradox could always sell it to GW or some other company
Any good V:TM novels or anything? Should I read the sourcebooks for entertainment?replayed bloodlines 1 and want more kino. 2 is ass, obv and I never played redemption.
>>724270201I remember reading the Hunter sourcebook and there was this amazing campaign prompt with these college professors coming together and uncovering there was effectively a vampire dungeon beneath their campus. I wish I had friends to play this shit with.
>>724270201I was once in the same shoes as you after I played Bloodlines, then when I checked out the actual sourcebooks expecting that same irreverent, grungy kind of punk atmosphere all I found was weepy goth bullshit. And that was Old WoD to be clear. I really think Bloodliens was some kind of anomaly.
>>724263061i don't think that's much of an issue, activision just probably doesn't have much desire to remaster a game that caused them that much of a headache the first time around and isn't a huge title that will sell millions like their other games
maybe in 30 years they'll remake VTMB1 and that's the best you can expect
>>724269585Could Paradox be handwaved to simple damage/permanent bad boy points for the most part, with maybe a little spicy RNG at times for the reaction streamers to piss and shit themselves over?
>>724253262Well simply I would imagine that Paradox sell it to some people that actually give a shit about it and then they wait a decade before making VtMB2 and the TCR trash can be renamed and binned.
>>724270896BG2 and 3 wild magic sorcerer.
>>724253262>one great gameAs Redemption is great, and anyone who disagrees is a fag, I assume you're saying Bloodlines is bad?
>>724271867uh, yea, i'm thinkin BASED
>>724269917>paradox sell instead of hoard IPThat'd be the day but anyone they sell it to (Even Onyx Path) is just going to ruin the IP anyway
>>724270334Bloodlines had the benefit of being made in the early 2000s instead of the 1980/90's>>724270201Redemption is a bit campy but it's good. The CYOA novels are rather decent. There's also Hunter the Parenting but it's more of a loreinfo series that's occasionally comedic and or dramatic
>>724270201I read the Dark Age Nosferatu novel. At the end the Cappadocians throw a jew woman down a hole.
>>724271867>>724272119Redemption is pretty kino didn't expect it to be so romantic
>>724270896I think Paradox is rather easy to design as a sort of karma system for how blatant your magic is when people see you, assuming you have a selection of "abilities" from your spheres, doing higher level ones in public you get more paradox and depending on the game genre this can go from hilariously backfiring on you ala fireballing yourself or self-damage like how you get debuffs in EYE from spamming Psi abilities. I would say certain interactions like blatantly using high level abilities in public should probably give you unique encounters or something
>>724272119I really need to play this old shit. Didn't back in the day because it looked janky but fuck it.
>>724270201It's been a while but I know the modern age clan novels were mostly bunk. The Victorian trilogy I did remember liking and a lot of the dark ages clan novels were quite good. But none of them are anything like Bloodlines, which is it's own thing
>>724272826I played it when it came out or around that time, my younger self didn't even really mind the jank, but i think there's a big mega mod that mitigates most of it these daysfor some reason the biggest impression I retained all these years from it was at some point at the end the main guy rebukes some villain and says TELL THEM IT WAS I, CHRISTOF (something) WHO SENDEST THEE TO HELL FROM ACROSS TIME! or something like that.
>>724272826It is janky as fuck but it is the definition of soul, the atmosphere it captured at the time was unparalleled
>>724273314It can't be a worse experience than vtmb2 HAHA
>>724253262The visual novels are quite good and, dare I say, comfy
>>724273449Just turn god mode on, it's not really an RPG but a very interactive VN, the combat is just a framework for the story which is well worth sticking with and I normally have no interest in narratives in games
>>724270308I wish there was not a vampire community in my sewers.
>>724264762Sounds like an interesting character.
>>724273652The cyoa are better
>>724273652I found them extremely boring, like a soap opera.
They should let telltale make a VM game.
>>724264279It was gay in a nihilistic way, not in corpo woke HR wsy.
>>724276661>in a nihilistic wayLOL! But at least you're right about the other part. Back then they were actually against da maaan.
>>724277005>Spider
>>724253262just remake the original
>>724277005you know, maybe Bloodlines really was the only truly good version of WoD
>>724277328>I'd rather pretend reality don't real instead of fixing my incorrect view of itIt had good and bad. Feel free to do what troons do to cope with not having reality bend over backwards to fit their beliefs, however.
>>724277005damn all that work and it gets hard countered by a single image
>>724277005Mark Hagen was canceled for being a Nazi (he said Richard Spencer shouldn't be punched)
>>724253262
>>724253262Have owlcat do vtm series in the pathfinder kingmaker/wotr style. From dark ages to modern age etc.
>>724253262Our only hope is that a big and good studio buys the entire IP (someone like CDRP or Larian).No mammoth of the industry is just going to "lease it" or whatever the fuck Paradox wants to do (BG3 having no future is an example of why studios don't want to work with the IP at the mercy of another company).But I don't see it: most retards will probably consider it "doomed IP" and we won't see any WoD game (outside of small indie titles) in at least a decade.
>>724278849The dialogues alone are a reason why I found it superior to Bloodlines
>>724276017This.Night Road and (this one is of Werewolf) The Book of Hungy Names are one of the best pieces of content from the setting.
>>724253459It was always gay actually
>>724279383>or LarianWould completely miss the point.
>>724279545Can 2nd, they're quite good. Apparently if you're itching for the political machinations Parliament does it well too
>>724279383> big and good studio >(someone like CDRP or Larian)
>>724279696>>724279853Name a better studio than Larian? They managed to turn even dnd 5th ed into something playable, they have the resources and passion, they gayness is not as insufferable as Paradox's and would fit the setting.
>>724277005these ones are obviously evil and degenerate, which is appropiate for the monstrous new forms they've taken. Nu-faggotry would never recognize itself as anything other than "good-person"ist, for lack of a better word.
>>724280109>They managed to turn even dnd 5th ed into something playableTCR's abomination is also playable.>gaynessNot about it either. It will not be a WoD game. it will be a Larian game with characteristic WoD attributes interspersed.>not as insufferable as Paradox'sI'm not joining you in wishing something not entirely atrocious just to have something. I'd rather wait for a fan game or, once I get the opportunity, start making something myself.
Who knows, bloodlines 2 probably isn’t going to sell well
I feel old listening to thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePkpaL_YMYQ
>>724280109their gayness is literally worse than Paradox's
>trying to play Redemption>frist quest is in a dark as fuck cramped cave struggling with the cameraI'm not feeling it at all
>>724287161it's not for everyone
>>724253262Vampires (and urban fantasy as a whole) don't make sense post-2007
>>724288453Why?
You need to accept that any property that gets even slight popularity will be instantly bought out by Them and ruined on purpose. You can't cling to properties. You have to enjoy it for what it was and find another property. They have unlimited money and they won't stop, because they hate you. They hate you and want you dead.
>>724274059And you sound like a retarded faggot
>>724288472Cameras' everywhere and in everybody's pockets. Also the internet.Cool shit happens at night that most won't know but YOU! the protagonist just found out are about to explore, require a certain amount of unknowable from the consumer.People just know too much about the world.
>>724279404I love him.
>>724288810I’d say that’s only true till maybe around covid because now you can just claim fake news or ai. A lack of general trust may make it easier for vampires actually
>>724263368Eh, all you need to do is outwait them. Sponer or katwr these freaks always move to greener pastures. Theyre not here for the gane, but to proselytyze socialism. Theyre a loud minority in a niche space. Given enough time they unironically get bored and go away. And if the IP is basically all but dead then? Better that then what they left it. To leave yourself is surrender.
>>724288605Nice demoralization.
>>724279545Night Road is garbage. Can only imagine how awful the others must be if this shit keeps getting praised.
