why the fuck do people keep playing fighting games this oldnot even melee is this stupid
let people enjoy things
they just don't make em like that anymore
>>724279003because they like it. i still play 3rd Strike, it's just more fun than anything currenttheory of mind usually develops at an early life age, anon
>>724279901how the fuck do people derive fun from competition and exertion when there are games that hand fun to you on a silver platter
Most modern fighting games are significantly worse than their older counterparts, why the fuck would people not want to play the old ones instead?
>>724279003Because the FGC is one of the most crabs in a bucket genres out there. New games are celebrated for their time, but because they weren't "the peak of the FGC" or "the game that I grew up playing" they get left behind for the old broken pieces of shit that everyone loved but no one played.That being said, MVC2 is the biggest example of that, because at least games like Third Strike, Melee and whatnot are games anyone can get into, against tag slop where you don't get to play, now featuring top 1 teams and balance so bad you'd think it was in beta.
>>724279003marvel games suck after disney's aquisition.
>>724279003I'm a zoomer who, for some reason, decided to put hundreds of hours into KOF '98.
>>724279003I think you'll find that old is good and new is bad.
>>724279003>awesome graphics>solid mechanics >takes you for a rideWhat should I dislike about this
>>724280627it's ummm.... old
>>724279003>not even melee is this stupidThey literally use gimmicked and effectively cheating controllers for Melee nowadays.Its stupider for sure.
>>724280112Satisfaction from learning hits different from dopamine of getting a reward without effort.
>>724280604When it comes to fighting games this is almost 100% true, yes.Street Fighter has much, MUCH better entries than 6, Tekken has much better entries than 8, Guilty Gear was better in many ways before Strive and so on.There's not even a current Marvel so that part of the conversation is pointless.
>havent played fighting game in forever>randomly boot up third strike>im terrible at it>have fun anyway
>>724279003SC II, SC VI, MvC 2, and Third Strike are the only fighting games I play the rest suck.
>>724280958This is what all fighting games should visually look like
>>724279003because MvC2 needs that adrenalinnnne momentummmm
>>724279003Because no other game offers the sheer speed and decision making required. Say we have a Magneto jumping at you round start. What the fuck do you do? Call an anti-air assist like Captain Commando? Magneto might airdash down back to dodge it entirely and punish the assist call with an assist of his own. Meet the Magneto in the air? Up Back and pray? Or what if the magneto just does empty tri-dash into cr.lk? What if Magnus does a box dash instead of tri. dash? What if Mags straight up delays the timing on his move to force a whiff? There's a lot of factors going on at once. You have to be cognizant of all the options all at once, it's not lucky guessing either. Each option has to be weighed carefully. You have to make that call on every single interaction. Say you get combo'd. The typical play is to do a reset and you're dealing with a fucked up mix. Magneto has a ton of options besides just doing the mindless rushdown, and assists opens up a lot of shit. Not only are you dealing with 50/50s and testing your reactions, you're also dealing with timings. Each read is a massive dopamine hit, and every decision matters significantly. You could throw a round after doing everything correctly, playing to proper fundamentals and still lose because of a small, almost insignificant error. Or you mess up your timing on offense and use the exact same timing and whoops your offense wasn't good enough gg go next. It's simple really. Or as the retard kids call it, "just that shrimple"
>>724280112because the feeling and fun you get from learning and doing challenging things is very rewarding.plus, the games I play I think are very good. they are just fun to play as-is.you should play good games and derive fun from playing them properly, instead of just using games as a dopamine hit service.it's kind of sad to me you see things this way. you're depriving yourself of good things
I don't even play fighting games really ever anymore and don't like sooperherro sheeple crap but that's like the only one id enjoy playing again. shit was fun. and big old witch titties.
>>724282280>because the feeling and fun you get from learning and doing challenging things is very rewarding.no the fuck it isn't. it really fucking isn't.if anything, locking cool features behind challenging shit just gets in the way
play 3rd strike RIGHT NOWit's FREEit has BETTER ONLINE THAN MODERN GAMESWHY ARE YOU NOT PLAYING 3RD STRIKE
>>724282407That's a decent impression of a brain-fried zoomie but it's a bit on the nose m8, dial it down a bit.
>>724282875what's the point of attacks if you can just scam people out of wins by playing a rhythm game?
>>724282407You are a subhuman. There's really nothing else to say. Everything that we have achieved as a species has been accomplished in defiance of the natural order, by choosing not to take the path of least resistance. If you really can't understand how someone can find pleasure in being challenged and overcoming adversity, you are no better than an animal.
>>724283107stop being so predictable you nigger brained retard
>>724283107>scam people out of wins by playing a rhythm game??????
>>7242809583rd Strike still looks so fucking good. Like unironically the game might have the best sprite work of all time. Too bad I actually really enjoy 6 otherwise I think I would put time investment into 3S.
>>724283223i have no counter to that.
>>724282875stop doing this
>>724283227If you're serious, he's talking about Street Fighter III's parry mechanic. By pressing forward with the right timing you can parry an opponent's attack which gives you more active frames and lets you counter attack. It's a risk reward system because you have to drop your block to parry so if you mess up the timing you get hit. But a TAS or theoretically perfect player with perfect timing could just parry everything and win. If your opponent is better at parrying than you it can be an immensely unfun experience.
>>724282875were u playing against daigo
>>724283552noI am daigo
>>724283507whats the risk reward between dodge and parry?why ever use dodge if parry lets you counter attack instantly?does dodge have more frames?is it better to hold or tap?
>>724283507Yeah I should have been a bit more specific I guess, I know how Parry works, I was indirectly calling him a dumb faggot for implying it works like "a rhythm game" which is an extremely oversimplified, disingenuous explanation for it.Yours is a lot better but like you said, in the end it boils down to the better player winning, which is kind of the opposite of what he said since he's saying parry allows you to "scam" wins.
>>724282875the only people who play have 5k hours in this gameno one wants to jump into that type of community lmao
>>724283814most people on fightcade have no fucking idea what they are doingyou SHOULD want to jump into a community of people with 5k hours regardless, because that's an amazing way to get better assuming you aren't a nigger without a frontal lobe
>>724283753Ah, sorry I didn't get it. I'm on your side though, for players of similar skill level parrying seems like a fine addition and SF3 is certainly popular so the FGC seems to like it. The main criticism I've heard is that it's over-centralizing to the gameplay but that doesn't seem to stop it from being one of the most popular Street Fighters.
GO HOME AND BE A FAMILY GUY
every time I see a stretched aspect ratio it's a brown
>>724282875>it has BETTER ONLINE THAN MODERN GAMESwhere
>>724279003OK OP, so that Marvel players do not fall back to the old games, what sort of stuff do you want out of a fresh modern MvC game?
>>724284602i want them to stop making fighting games
>>724280746Your mom is also old but I like her very much, she's so suck, I mean, nice.
>>724283676I'm no SF3 expert, but I'll answer as best I'm able. Anybody feel free to correct my dumbass.>whats the risk reward between dodge and parry?I'm assuming you mean jumping in the air and blocking? It really depends on what you're going for. You very well could keep walking forward and parry whatever comes your way, but each parry is a knowledge check in its own right which I'll explain below. For now just understand that it's a judgement call.>why ever use dodge if parry lets you counter attack instantly?'If someone's throwing fireballs at you from across the map then you're basically slow walking to them as they keep chucking. Not allowed to dash forward since you can't parry mid dash animation and that leaves you vulnerable for your opponent to walk up throw you if you get too close since you can't parry throws (you can throw escape, but if you're so focused on parrying everything then have fun reacting in time for that) or command grabs.>does dodge have more frames?Parry gets you back in faster, but good luck knowing what your opponent is going to do and when. Sometimes you'll want to block due to the pushback some moves induce to keep people off you if they're getting too suffocating.>is it better to hold or tap?You have to tap. You have no choice. See this >>724283625? That player is tapping forward on every single kick Chun-Li does. Time it wrong and you're eating damage. That's what makes the Daigo Parry so significant because anybody else would've looked at how much health they had and just accepted death by chip or try and parry but mess up the timing.
>>724284705too bad. Nips love making and playing fighting games more than producing offspring
>>724284992goodas soon as one dies out the other goes with them
>>724284992That's a good thing.Why the fuck would you bring even MORE people into this hellhole?
>>724283676You can't block if you parryparrying has a specific window where it's active and you're locked out of parrying for a certain amount of time afterward so you can't spam it, you have to either hard read the timing or OS it and potentially eat shit for guessing wrong you take more damage crouching so you eat extra shit for guess parrying lowparrying doesn't guarantee a punish depending on the spacing and what exactly you're parryingparrying is direction specific and good players will catch on to you just fishing constantly very quickly and play around ityou have to tap to get the biggest parry window, holding the direction isn't considered a "clean" input by the game and it makes the parry window shorter>>724284975>You very well could keep walking forward and parry whatever comes your waynot with the parry lockout, since walking forward counts as a parry input you can get around this with an advanced technique called hadou walking, where you basically walk forward with hadouken motions so that it doesn't eat up your parry window but it has limited usage and you're still ultimately just fishing for a parrythe daigo parry is significant not just because of the execution but because he parried the first hit before the super flash, you can see him fishing for it in the original videoyou don't ACTUALLY have to do that, it's possible to parry the super on reaction, but the window is much tighter and this may not have been known about at the time it happened anywaythe daigo parry is such a meme that good players avoiding a chipout these days usually wait to try and red parry the super instead (parrying out of blockstun, more difficult and a tighter window) to eliminate the guesswork and most chun lis don't even bother going for it because at this point everyone will try to do it and good players can do it consistently the ultimate downside of parrying is that it's simply riskier than blocking and requires some level of guess
>>724279003fighting games are stagnate mechanics wise, no point in buying or playing new ones. Literally no fighting game after USF4 should exist.
>>724279003There is nothing that plays like mvc2. Even mvc3 isn't really similiar. It's the most apeshit game ever made. However, it's just not fun to play old shit forever. Fightcade is full of oldheads and newcomers. People come and go all the time. You might think "I'll never beat someone who's been playing for 20 years" but you totally can if you want to take on that challenge.People who fight the CPU are totally pathetic though. Don't make fighting game threads if you're doing that, it's just low quality spam at that point.
>>724285985>fighting games are stagnate mechanics wiseThe absolute majority of people who say shit like this want fighting games to stop being fighting games and become something else entirely but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt: exactly -what- do you want from new fighting games in order to not call them stagnant?
>>724282875>WHY ARE YOU NOT PLAYING 3RD STRIKEYour webm shows exactly why I don't play third strike. What kind of retarded bullshit is a dash up parry
>>724283107>>724283227>>724283507>>724283676>>724285763
>>724286552jej
>>724280627The music sucks ass and sprites look bloated compared to MvC1
>>724285763its been 20 years since daigo, is the average fightcase autist able to parry like him now?why wasnt justin able to parry? (how he got to the tournament without knowing this crucial skill)
>>724287309the average fightcade autist can't even do a basic combo>why wasnt justin able to parry? (how he got to the tournament without knowing this crucial skill)this question makes no sense
>>724287376>the average fightcade autist can't even do a basic comboThe 3S lobby is a lot worse than other lobbies. 3S and jojoban are basically just places for retards to hang out. (The actual 4channers are in the jojoban lobby btw)
>>724287376daigo obviously learned all the parry patterns, yes?the infamous clip, daigo parries justin, then does the ken special and justin doesnt parry it back (and i guess its less complex than chun?)isnt it fair to assume that someone like justin and other players at the top of evo would also be expected to practice perfect parrying all the specials to reach that level in the first place? or was it just less common then?
>>724282875I hate parry as a mechanic almost as much as I hate burst.
>>7242878373S was considered a super shitty kusoge back then, no one in America knew how to play it
>>724287837You can't parry during the recovery of a move.
>>7242881233s's reputation in America had nothing to do with its quality as a gameyou weren't even born then anyway why the fuck are you talking about this like some authority
>>724287837chun li was in recovery, what daigo did was a punish. you can't do anything but getting hit during your recovery.I highly recommend you to learn the basics of how fighting games work, it will answer many questions you might have
I adored SF3 for the longest until I realized that every single top 8 consists of nothing but Yun, Ken and Chun, that is literally it, you watch one top 8, you pretty much have seen all top 8's.3rd Strike is still mad fun but only 3 characters out of the 20 that are ever being used.Now compare that to SF4 (through it's lifespan), you have:>best E. Ryu/Ryu: Daigo>best Ken: Momochi>best Akuma: Tokido>best Gief: Snake Eyes>best Dudley: Smug>best Yun: Kazinoko>best Yang: Mago>best Abel: Keoma>best Sagat: Bonchan>best Makoto: Misse>best Dhalsim: Sabin>best Ibuki: Sako>best Hugo: Stormkubo>best Decapre: Infiltration>best Seth: poonkgo>best Rolento: Nemo>best Juri: AiAi>best C. Viper: Latif>best Guy: Mark Teddy>best Cody" BJ Unchain>best Guile: Dieminion >best Gen: Xian>best Poison: Xian>best Balrog: PR Balrog>best Adon: Gamerbee>best Rose: Luffy>best Vega: Reiketsu>best Bison: Gagapa>best El Fuerte: Pepedy>Best Fei Long: Fuudo>best Sakura: Chris G>best T. Hawk: Kojikog>best Rufus: J. Wong>best Blanka: Nishikin>best Oni: Santhrax>best Chun: Valmaster
>>724290698>every single top 8 consists of nothing but Yun, Ken and ChunWhat about Makoto?
>>724290698SFIV truly was a beautiful thing, yes.It had a fair share of cancer but you're absolutely right, the character variety in tournaments was really fun to watch.
>>724292342Makoto, Urien are the exception, not the rule.Again I'm talking exclusively top 8's.>>724292438>It had a fair share of cancer but you're absolutely rightSure SF4 was a mess but that's what makes it so unpredictable.>the character variety in tournaments was really fun to watchAbsolutely, the closest we got in terms of character loyalty imo is Tekken Tag 2.We just don't see that anymore.
>>724279003why should a person stop playing a game after an arbitrary amount of time has passed?
>>724288637Can you read? If you like 3S I'm gunna assume no
>>724287575>JojobanI tried but i cant get into it, that fightan has way too many links between moves (im shit)
>>724279003fighting games in general aren't even fun to play, if you do a motion input but some minuet aspect of it, it's not gonna work. Fighting games demand you be extremely autistic about every aspect of the game in order to have a chance to have fun
>>724297112Play chaka, he only has 1 tight link and it's not even necessary vs c ranks. And his neutral is extremely straight forward. But yes the execution is high.
>>724298142Works on my machine.
>>724279003it's an investment like learning to play a music instrument to be able to play mvc2 at a decent level with the top tier flying characters (mags, storm, sent)
>>724298227>But yes the execution is high.At least in 3rd strike you can cheat execution with stuff like piano or negative edge..
