Are any of the titles worth playing these days? Or is it a series better left in the past?
>>724281230Aren't they like really interesting dungeon crawlers? I've never played one, I just know for some reason they're a hot ticket or were in Japan.
>>724281230I'm a weeb so all I now was Labyrinth of Lost Souls and it was pretty okay, my personal GOAT of that genre keeps being Shining the Holy Ark tho
>>724281230I tried a bunch of dungeon crawlers (EO, SMT: SJ, Dark Spire) and the only ones I could get into were Wizardry remake, System Shock remake and Legend of Grimrock.
>>724281230would rather play SMT Strange Journey and Holy Ark
>>724281230play Demon Gaze (first one, the second sucks) and Stranger in Sword City
>>724281230How patient are you? It's worth hopping into the first few games for a few minutes if only to see how the town and menus evolve over time. Like in the first game you have to buy and equip all your adventurers but I think by 2 and 3 they are coming with equipped gear when you recruit them. Lots of little brick moments like that.Actuallly playing something I'd recommend the ps2 game that got a translation. The only modern EN release after that is the gacha
>>724281230Daphne is cool, you'll get bored of it after B4 probably, I did
>>724281807Daphne really surprised me. We need more dungeon crawlers with modern graphics.
I don't really like the genre but somehow I got my hands on Bard's Tale IV and I started enjoying it but then when you finish the tutorial area and have to recruit your party, the character models were abysmally ugly... and you can't mod it or anything, so I gave up.I'll never understand how you can put so much effort in hours of massive 3d maps but you can't draw a feminine woman.
Daphne is pretty good, i like to see my onahole travel together with me
>>724282312that's what I have been wanting since forever, why it took so long to make such thing.
>>724282312>onaholeWhy are you lying? There are no faeries in this game.
>>724281230the series is wonderful. The series is also brutal. The series is also aggressively oldschoolI do recommend playing Wizardry 1-3. I also recommend doing so after playing other, more approachable entries in the genre first, or playing the SNES/PS1 trilogy ports. You could also play the recent remake of Wizardry 1, which will hopefully one day also include 2 and 3no one will blame you for skipping Wizardry 4 (aka the literal hardest game ever made), but 5 through 8 are solidgood places to start in the genre:Megami Tensei/Shin Megami Tensei/Strange JourneyShining in the Darkness/Shining the Holy ArkArcanaPotato Flowers in Full BloomLegend of Grimrock (warning, real time combat)Might & Magic - World of Xeen
>>724281230Nah. Wizardry is shit. Play Shin Megami Tensei instead. Far superior in every way.
>>724281230They're worth playing for the historical importance alone. They are unrelenting at times, classic mechanics that would never fly nowadays like level draining are on full display here, so it's not for everyone to finish. But it's worth playing just to see where we came from, even if you aren't the kind to finish it.6-8 are a bit more modern and a bit more pleasent to modern tastes. Also, much easier to get ahold of. But they're still pretty far removed from modern RPGs.
>>724281230Etrian Odyssey IV. Also Wizardry 8 is fucking KINO, gonna need a guide shit gets non-sensical after you leave the tutorial cave.
how did japs take over wizardry if it was made by westerners in the first place?
>>724282513there is a fearies in the pv... it is going to come up...
>>724283309>Wizardry 8its a massive shame that it was unfinished
>>724281230I would still recommend Wiz 8 to anyone today.It's accessible and also a very unique experience, given that it's kind of open world
>>724283618Because they REALLY loved it.
>>724283724In its finished form it would become the most pure form of autism. Earth is not ready. Maybe those japs that has the IP now try to contact ubisoft for Might and Magic rights and unleash the most powerful collab ever seen. And of course OST must be done by Paul Romero
>>724283618One of the original wizardry devs was a massive weeb (he literally used the money he made from wizardry to make one of the first english anime subtitling companies), and the games ended up becoming massively popular in japan as popularity in the west died off. Eventually this lead to a lot of japanese exclusively wizardry games, then when sirtech went out of business they ended up selling the IP to japanese companies who kept the series alive in Japan.
>>724284065from what ive seen the japs do to the Wizardry name, i dont want them to continue anything and would rather they leave its legacy untarnishedim all for them using a brand new IP though. call it WizadREE or some shit. just not Wizardry.
>>724283618Sirtech died, but japan loved the series so some nip company bought the rights off them as they died. It got passed around between a bunch of diffrent companies since then.
>>724283797can I play with a party of 2-4 or do I have to juggles 8 guys ?
>>724284807You can do what you like, you just won't do very well.
>>724284807you dont have to create a full party.itll just be significantly more difficult at the start. but note that theres no way to create or delete characters without starting a new game entirely
What's the best console version of the first 3? I can deal with a lot of old school mechanics but wireframe dungeons is just too far for me.
>>724283618When it comes to fantasy westerners like open world shit, japs love their dungeons, Anime, manga, videogames, if its fantasy it has dungeons on it
>>724287068PS1/Saturn. They're Japan-only, but you can switch the language to English in the options menu.
>>724287068Play the remake version of 1. You can make it as casual or as 1-1 to the original as you want. Also custom portraits https://store.steampowered.com/app/2518960/Wizardry_Proving_Grounds_of_the_Mad_Overlord/
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>>724281230Do you like grinding and annoying gridmaze dungeon crawling?
>>724283797How is it compared to might and magic series 6-9?
>>724282872>I do recommend playing Wizardry 1-3. I also recommend doing so after playing other, more approachable entries in the genre first, or playing the SNES/PS1 trilogy ports. You could also play the recent remake of Wizardry 1, which will hopefully one day also include 2 and 3Why do people ever recommend this with any series? Going backwards mechanically always feels like shit. You don't need to force yourself to play games if they aren't fun, so the concept of "working up to" playing the worst games in a series is dumb.
Correct answer is 1 through 5 on ps1, 6 on whatever, 7 on ps1, five ordeals remake and daphne variant never ever btw
>>724287548What are you talking about? There are still a million western dungeon crawler indies being made to this day, and Japan makes games like Elden Ring or Dragon's Dogma, and DQ games always have world maps.
>>724290118The ps1 games have better qol than original and better art than remake and you can use your party through all five ps1 games.
>>724290227So why would you ever go play the originals after playing the jp PS1 versions?
>>7242812303,4,6 and 7 of the mainline are worth playingapart from that Busin series on ps2 is worth playing
>>724290279I wouldnt. I just recommended the ps1 versions. The Jun Suemi art alone means the remakes override the originals. The remake of one on pc is okay if you like western warcraft style and dont want to progress your party through multiple games but i still recommend 1-5 on ps1 and honestly 7 is dealers choice but the ps1 version has english patch and novel 3d modeled 2d sprites (like shining in the holy ark) and is a different kind of eyerape from the western version. I just think jun suemis art hard carries it in modern times otherwise yeah play undernaut or stranger of sword city
>>724289762its way worse than might and magicwizardry 8 is an abomination and I can safely assume that anyone who praises it has never even bothered to finish it
>>724290507>wizardry 8 is an abomination and I can safely assume that anyone who praises it has never even bothered to finish it8 is the only wizardry I've played and I beat it. there was a lot of jank but it was mostly fun. I was disappointed to find out the older games don't have the gadgeteer class.
>>724281230Play Legend of Grimrock 1+2
>>724290427>Playing 3 without an imported party from 1 and 2A quick trip to hell.
>>724290227Do they reset level though or do you just steamroll the game?
>>724294616Wizardry 2 keeps your level and spells as you need a party that can teleport to even make it off of the first floor. 3 and 5 reset your levels so biggest benefit is starting with a Ninja or Lord early. You can reassign alignments with 3 and 5 when importing characters.
>>724281230The good, old titles are about £1 on GOG right now. They're not even worth pirating at that price, so you've got nothing to lose just playing them
>>724282931As much as I love SMT, and SMT 1 in particular is one of my all time favorite games, Wizardry is really fucking good. I recommend the PS1 ports for 1-5, and the Gaiden spin off series is pretty good too. The translation can be a bit rough at times but they play pretty good.
>The first one is good.
>>724281230>>724290118>Are any of the titles worth playing these days?Yes, assuming you like the dungeon crawler format.If you enjoy just wandering around in mazes and figuring out how things work, then Wiz 1 is pretty good at that. Most DRPGs have a pretty standard formula that you come to expect, while Wizardry 1 is a lot harsher and you want to become a lot more familiar with how the systems work to play it. Just assuming that you can clear one floor and then move on to the next is not actually going to get you anywhere. If you just want a standard DRPG then probably skip it, but if you like stuff novel then I'd recommend playing. Wiz2-3 is basically more of Wizardry 1, so I'd recommend them or recommend against them together.I'd also recommend Wizardry 7, because it's a game with a huge world for you to wander around in. You need to find safe places to camp out and rest, rather than having an inn location you can safely sleep in. You have to find NPCs and interact with them to find out where to go, and there's lots of class and skill optimization to worry about. It is a fairly large game and will take you a long time to complete it fully, and you probably won't be playing a similar DRPG somewhere else. Wiz6-8 is an overarching story and you can transfer characters between them, but Wizardry 6 is just going to look like a standard dungeon crawler at first, so Wiz7 has much better first impressions.While I usually recommend Wizardry 5 first, that's because it plays a lot like other DRPGs. In fact, most japanese DRPGs take mechanics directly from Wizardry 5. So I really wouldn't recommend it if you're looking for something different from the standard DRPG formula. It IS the standard DRPG formula.
>>724283797I love the look of this game but is the combat turn based slop or is it real time kino?
>>7242985713D movement, turn based combat, but you can move the character-blob around when selecting turns to determine who can hit what and what characters are out of range. It's a bit of an oddball, but not real time combat.
>>724298571It’s turn-based and painfully slow. If you want something similar but in real time, try Might and Magic 6, 7 and 8.
>>724281230I played Wizardry 6. It was really hard!
>>724298959Wiz7 is even harder.
>>724290118People saying that assume enough general intelligence that you not having to play the earlier games at all is implied.They're telling you to start with the later games, as they're much better. The earlier ones will still be there if you want them.
>>724281230The only one I've played is 6. It was pretty fun; it's simple but mapping out stuff tile by tile on grid paper actually turns out pretty enjoyable in a zen kind of way. I stopped because I'm an ADHD retard but I've always wanted to go back one day and play through 6-8.I also played a bit of one of the PS2 Wizardry games which had a lot of soul but was just too autistic for me.
>>724298571Wizardry is THE game that all JRPGs are built off of and 8 still retains a lot of that DNA.Like the other anon said, MM6-8 is what you want. They have a turn based mode you probably want to put it into occasionally but even then it's not a lot of waiting around. In real-time they can almost play like fantasy Doom with the amount of enemies you blast through in some areas.
>>724298932>blacksNo thanks, shan't be playing proto-woke trash
>>724301692ok
>>724302112this better be the tightest shit ever nigger
