>#1 slop provider top dog fumbles with an exceptionally bad entry>eternal #2 swoops in with an entry that's not just better than #1, but much better than what they made in a long time in general >#1 still dominates sales 10:1 anyway All this in the span of 6 months, is slop just impossible to beat? These were the ideal conditions for quality to beat IP and it didn't happen, we'll never get a better opportunity
>>724302360Nintendo adults simply don't care.
>>724302360shitnic crossworlds is worse than mkw in all aspects. post a better example.
>>724302510Nah.
Terminally online retards get mad at new gameNormies don't careThe game sells gangbustersTrannies seethe
>>724302360>People dog on World for being $80>Crossworlds could've easily been $50 and blown World out of the water>Instead it launches at $70 alongside a $30 day one season pass.Bravo Sega.
>>724302863It sold over one million units so far so sega won in the end.
>>724302726>twitter screencap>treating ign as the supreme authority on video gamesYou people disgust me.
>>724302971>>treating ign as the supreme authority on video gamesThe exact opposite is being done here, if even a clown publication like IGN can acknowledge quality over IP, then you know it's undeniable
>>724302360Digimon is dogshit and always felt like the Temu version of Pokémon. They should just give it up and a completely new IP should be made to beat Pokémon.
>>724303132t. slop enjoyer
"Underdog" franchises cant afford to just be okay to good, they need to be exceptional. Neither Crossworlds or Digimon are that.The "disappointed by the latest entry in X and looking for greener pastures" is both a smaller demographic than you think, and one that's both wiser and dumber than your narrative would need them to be.On one hand, you have people that bought it anyway, got their calories out of it, and probably aren't craving a second serving of the same shit.On the other hand, people disappointed & looking for alternatives are born from two of the most productive fanbases out there.Why bother with Crossworlds when either CTGP for Wii and other consoles exist, or if I want to play as Sonic, SRB2K or Ring Racers?Why bother with Digimon when I can explore either the slew of Pokémon romhacks & fangames for those that attached to Pokémon, or play a better JRPG if i'm willing to explore uncharted territories?
>>724302360It's just click/ragebait economy at work. People say game bad and nobody should buy it etc but they buy it themselves and have fun
everyone is part of a community now. so even if the game is shit, they will want to be part of their online community and buy the slop anyway.
>>724303182>"Underdog" franchisesJudging from the success of the movies, there's still a lot of interest in Sonic. Sega just doesn't know how to capitalize on it because they fucking suck.>DigimonI don't think Bandai cares about competing with pokemon. Digimon has its own niche market that makes it profitable on its own.
Digimons biggest issue was not releasing it on Switch 2 day one.
why is sonickart better than mariokart? looks like completely unremarkable basic bitch kart racing and it's not even cheaper, the contrary in factis it just nintendo derangement syndrome again?
>>724305356yeah anyone with half a brain can see that Digimon's games are competing with SMT/Persona not PokemonAnd a Sonic game where they're driving cars instead of just running fast doesn't make sense considering what Sonic is, that's not where his appeal lies
>>724305631SMT is competing with a subset of Pokemon's audience. The original millenial fanbase is in their mid thirties, unless there's some serious case of arrested development none of them are playing Pokémon but they may have some desire to revisit a monster training RPG.It actually happened to me the other week, looked at Pokémon and laughed at how shit it looked, thought about how it would be kind of interesting to play a Pokémon that wasn't for 8 year olds. Looked at Digimon and thought it was still a kids game then picked up SMT.
>>724305498>why is sonickart better than mariokart?It's fun, fast, and skill based, with fun levels and beloved characters, it's the polar opposite of MKW
>>724302360Z-A also flopped.It's selling less than Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee.
>>724302360I have a theory that people just buy nintendo games as some sort of obligation, play them for an hour and move but i don't have enough evidence to prove it, i just noticed that MKW lobbies hardly got full after the first week.Wish consoles had a playercount so i could prove or disprove this nagging feeling.
>>724306072>It's fun, fast, and skill basedso it's nintendo derangement syndrome, got it
>>724306443is that what it's called when a company tries to patent 'summoning'?Going to get BTFO by Pocketpair like they did by Galoob in the 90s LOL
>>724302360Other way around in Pokémon's case, that Digimon game is just the usual Bandai kosoge.In Mario's case however they're on even billing.>>724302403That is a fake post by the way.>>724302785Not the case what so ever, if anything it's...Normies get mad at new gameNormies do careThe game doesn't sells gangbustersCompany goes out of business.>>724306084New system and Gen 9 damaged it's reputation.Emma's ass can only do so much but Z/A is better then Gen 9 at the very least.
>>724306003SMT's fan base didn't came out of Pokémon or Digimon, it came from Smash and STRICTLY Smash.Before Smash SMT's fanbase was hyper niche that pick it up because they were already into those type of games (see the Famicom (MT) and Super Famicom era), but Smash changed all of that.Pokémon and Digimon had nothing to do with it.
>>724306443Your tears are absolutely delicious.
>>724306003>Unless there's some serious case of arrested development none of them are playing Pokémon.This says otherwise.
>>724302360current digimon turn based combat is bad. They should return to digimon world 3 or digimon world 1
>>724306084Except for the fact that it didn't you retard
>>724306536>palnigger screeching about patentsyep, definitely mental illness
>>724306970Yeah, glad we agree tendie manchildren have something wrong with them.
>>724305498The most obvious reason purely comes down to providing a better experience by allowing the player to play the enjoyable parts of the game. Both games are good mechanically and both do some unique things that make them feel good to play compared to the other. Sonic's counter drifting and acceleration mechanics make basic driving feel a bit more rewarding compared to Mario Kart while Mario Kart's new grinding and wall riding make courses feel much more interactive. However, Mario Kart does its best to stop you from enjoying the game by pushing you to connecting tracks most of the time unless you play in a private lobby. It isn't worth playing a game where you feel like you are wasting 80% of your time just to enjoy the last 20%. Sonic also has downsides like physics getting wonky thanks to net code, item balance, and friend lobbies crashing too often, but it at least tries and generally succeeds at being enjoyable 100% of the time rather than aggressively trying to prevent players from having fun.
>>724307237Other way around, It's the Sony crowd that is full of (wo)manchildren while Nintendo's fan base is bias as all fuck.
>>724302510There's a demo you can play for crossworldsit's completely free. you can get a taste for how good it really is.
>>724306084Z-A may be off to a slower start than other Pokemon games but it still made its budget back 30x over in one week. Pokemon budgets are so low it is not possible for them to lose money.
>>724305631>And a Sonic game where they're driving cars instead of just running fast doesn't make sense considering what Sonic isSonic likes an even playing field I guess.
>>724306084Pokemon games are so low budget that it needs to sell <500,000 copies to flop. It's a D-tier franchise that makes AAA-tier sales.
People forget how to make a post without mentioning Nintendo or Pokemon. Pathetic
>>724305631>>724307517canonical answer:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eQN0DZTrEQ
>>724307283>The most obvious reason purely comes down to providing a better experience by allowing the player to play the enjoyable parts of the game.thanks for the reasonable response, I can see why that'd make some people like sonic better
>>724305498It's not, it was mediocre as fuck. SART remains the uncontested champion of kart racers.
>>724307524Not true.
>>7243056310 IQ argument that constantly gets brought up whenever a new kart racing Sonic game comes out. It's obvious why they're in cars instead of running. because it makes it fair. If Sonic just ran he would outrun everyone except maybe Shadow who can at least keep up. Oh, and there are games where it's just Sonic and friends running. It's called Sonic R and Sonic Rivals 1+2, they're mediocre as hell, have terrible balancing issues because Sonic not being the fastest makes zero sense, and Crossworlds mogs the fuck out of all of them while still capturing the fast paced nature of the franchise.
>>724307326okay but I don't care about Sony and you're still a mentally ill manchild who buys the same Bing Bing Wahoo 13 times and pays 70 bucks for cardboard
When the fuck will /v/ open its eyes and realize the fucking problem is the mainstream normalfag sheeple audience?We need an answer for this. But it keeps happening. So we need aFinal.Solution.
>>724308359but those sheeps are on /v/and they buy bing bings and sometimes wahoos.
>>724308359>victimblamingthe customer is always right
>>724307476>Z-A may be off to a slower start than other Pokemon gamesIts literally the 5th best debut for the franchise
Sales != Quality
>>724307476ZA also has those holiday bundle legs. game's gonna break 10 million easy, maybe even hit 15 and that's just by the end of the year.
Can't say much about either racing games because I haven't bought them, but I've found enjoyment in both Time Stanger and ZA for different. TS has a more compelling narrative and is a much more higher quality, but the turn based combat is pretty basic and monster collecting isn't satisfying. Where's ZA qualitywise is awful, especially the visuals, with a mediocre story, but a more satisfying gameplay loop and collecting aspect. The online free for alls with the nex battle system are chaotic dumb fun. Both of these have terrible DLC practice though.
>>724308359Normalfags need to (forcibly or otherwise) accept autists as noblemen. Only then will society return to normal.
>>724309548>Both of these have terrible DLC practice though.Is Pokemon's really that bad? Isn't it just an expansion like the previous games?
>>724309548>Both of these have terrible DLC practice though.what's wrong with Pokemon ZA's DLC practice? be honest.
There are just too many decent games to play. The market is fucked you can't really judge whether a game is good based on its sales or not especially with all the influencer manipulation. I don't really understand why /v/ insists on talking about the business side of things I thought we liked PLAYING games here
>>724308284>>724306536>>724306808>snoyfags trying to look cool
>>724309714>I don't really understand why /v/ insists on talking about the business side of things I thought we liked PLAYING games hereFucking this
>>724309606>>724309609It's more so the fact that announcing DLC before the game is out is just scummy shit, even if it's releasing later down the line. It's also a matter of what it has to offer. I don't have high hope for Pokemon's DLC looking at the general quality of the games, even if I've heard and read that it tends to be the best part for the recent entries.
>>724308284Other way around.
>>724310114>It's more so the fact that announcing DLC before the game is out is just scummy shitwhy? I really don't get this claim. They let you know before you buy the game that it'll have shit like DLC, which gives you the chance to avoid the game if that's an issue for you. there's nothing bad about giving the customer more information up front, and yet faggots online act like its a cardinal sin not to lie to them.
>>724308068>LEAVE MY FRIEND NINTENDO ALONE!What the fuck happened to you, bro? How did you turn out like this?
>>724309548Not true, ZA was the one that had a more compelling narrative and has much more higher quality turn based combat, monster collecting is satisfying while Time Stanger is awful, especially the visuals, with a mediocre story, but a more satisfying gameplay loop and collecting aspect.As for the DLC that was meant to be Pokémon's 2026 content until it was leaked out that Gen 10 was coming since Nintendo themselves didn't know about gen 10 until the Teraleak happened recently, Pokémon Corp. could've delayed it to 2027 to prevent another Gen 9 from happening again.
>>724310114I don't think it's that big of a deal personally. They're just saying "an expansion is coming out later. Buy now if you want". I find season passes to be a bit more scummy since those are just drip feed updates that oftentimes start at the games launch, meaning that if you want to play it, you gotta pay day 1 and wait for the rest.
>>724310457>Time Stanger is awful, especially the visualsBait is supposed to be subtle
>>724309714/thread
>>724310457That's really cool, Ranjesh.
>>724306778What? SMT has nothing to do with smash, that's persona which already had its own fanbase. The SMT fanbase didn't grow out of Pokémon or Digimon, it predates both. The point is that there's a massive millenial audience who grew up with Pokémon and don't play it because it's now exclusively for toddlers, SMT has begun to mop up some of those fans. I think that's why SMT is inclining hard as Pokémon shits the bed.
>>724307403Do I get a full experience of all the straight lines Crossworlds has to offer?Or does the demo only have the good stuff
>>724311048>SMT has begun to mop up some of those fans. I think that's why SMT is inclining hard as Pokémon shits the bed.Is it? I still barely hear anyone talk about SMT outside of the people that were already into it years ago.
>>724311048Persona was spon off from SMT and yes, it does have everything to do with Smash as before Smash normies didn't know what a SMT was and SMT was a hyper niche IP at best.Yes SMT predates both Pokémon and Digimon, but SMT didn't go mainstream until Smash.Pokémon is not for toddlers it requires reading skills which toddlers lack (if they have any), also E10+ = 10 and up, far from toddlers.SMT did not mop up any Pokémon fans, in fact the 2 markets are completely isolated, people stuck with Pokémon because it has the better waifus/husbandos, that it.
>>724302360I dunno man, MK8DX is still better than both gamesand CTR (or CTR:NF) is still better than MK8DXso I don't really get what these kids are arguing about
>>724311205It's still niche as fuck but to jump from like 500k sales per entry to 2 million is significant. A portion is ofshoot Persona fans but they don't really like SMT since they are broadly there for dating sim shit and weeb digital tourism. If SMT 6 continues the incline I'm going to chalk that up to homeless Pokémon millenials since SMT V already filtered the curious persona 5 fans.
>>724311483This is a retarded perspective that only an autistic tendie could have. Persona already exploded in popularity prior to smash and smash fans still have no idea what SMT is.
>>724311809No, it didn't, Smash was the only reason why normies even know about SMT because normies looked up Joker and learned that Persona is a spin off from SMT.Before Smash the only games normies knew that came from Atlus were LJN shovelware, Rockin' Kats, NES Wacky Racers and Snowboard Kids (1, 2 and DS), Smash changed all that.
>>724311179Some would argue the demo doesn't have the good stuff in it at all but I think it's a good enough sampler.Mario kart world this is not.
>>724312405SMT is not persona you retard. Until recently not even persona fans cared about SMT, let alone smash fans tangentially looking at persona because of 1 dlc character. P5 has sold over 10 million copies, less than 2 million of those sales come from the switch and therefore the tendie audience, of which an even smaller subset is smash fans.You're an autistic tendie who doesnt know about anything that isn't in smash and you are now projecting that onto the entire world.
>>724312819>SMT is not Persona.In terms of gameplay, yes, but in lore and canon, they're one of the same, just like Mario and Donkey Kong.>P5 has sold over 10 million copies.Yes on Switch (8 million), it's the PS4 version that has less then 2 million copies sold and nearly all of those copies came after the Joker DLC for Smash was released.You the autistic Soidie who doesn't know about anything that isn't in smash and you are now projecting that onto the entire world, I know what I'm talking about.
>>724313267>8 million sales on switchKek total bullshit.You're just pulling figures out your ass. 5.5 million of those sales are from the original and re-release on PS3 and PS4. That leaves 4.5 million for every other system of which at least half would have been on PC + Xbox leaving around 2 million for switch. Realistically I think even less than 2 million were on switch because PC is now a massive platform for atlus. You have brain damage, stop talking to me.
>>724305498>looks like completely unremarkable basic bitch kart racingMario Kart can't even achieve that anymore. It's now just open world slop with straight line tracks.
>>724313695No that is the case, PS3 sales were under 200,000 while PS4 sales were at 1.8 million, the remaining 8 million was on Switch and Switch alone.
>>724302403This
>>724314085yes persona 5 sold 2 million copies on ps3,ps4,ps5, PC and xbox combined then sold 8 million on switch.You have brain damage, stop talking to me.
>>724312405Smashtards are a cancer on gaming. Megaten has had mainstream popularity since Persona 4. Your stinky party game hopped on the bandwagon long after it became popular. Just because Smash's audience is full of people like you who refuse to play non-Nintendo games unless Sakurai spoonfeeds them to you first doesn't change reality.
>>724314032Not true what so ever.
>>724314230>>724314239
>>724314230Facts don't care about your feelings
>>724302360This happened during Sega Genesis too anyway. Sonic 2 is better than any 2D mario
>>724302360time stranger was a persona game wasn't it? if it was a proper pokemon-esque game people might have been interestedkart games are memes, quality doesn't matter there
>>724302360The current state of Pokemon depresses me. It's like watching someone you use to respect morph into a lolcow and everyone around them just eggs it on and keeps pushing them to continue making an ass out of for themselves for their entertainment. There use to be a time where Pokemon games were some of the best titles on a Nintendo handheld. Now they're not even in the top 100 Switch games in terms of quality.
>>724315642They would've been very sad if they didn't have a pool filled with enough money to swim into.
>>724315642It's been all downhill since gen 3 from my perspective, although I guess compared to the modern games gen 3 looks amazing now. At the time I was very disappointed but they hadn't yet gone through a few dozen rounds of successive bar-lowering releases at that pointPokemon does feel very very underutilised as an IP though, no doubt about it. All sorts of cool games could exist and they just refuse to make anything half-decent at all, for decades on end
>>724315642Pokemon games have ALWAYS been low effort compared to everything Nintendo does. They were charming before when they were 2D, but in 3D they look like asset flips.The graphics have never been top of the line on any system the games have been on. The stories have always been basic as fuck. The creature designs have always been a mixed bag.It was fine when the games came out originally but with all the money the franchise has made and all the improvements to technology over the years it's just embarrassing that they never became anything more than glorified rock paper scissors with the blandest presentation imaginable.
>>724302360>eternal #2 swoops in with an entry that's not just better than #1, but much better than what they made in a long time in general>referring to crossworldsit's not only worse than the worst mario kart since double dash, it's also by far the worst out of sonic racing games in general
>>724315642It's not depressing at all, children still love them. Just accept you're too old to be playing pokemon and pick up SMT.
>>724316071>CrossWorlds in any way worse than TSR, Rivals, Free RidersNo. I could understand if you just prefer Riders 1 and 2 and the All Stars Racing games that much, but saying it's worse than any of those I listed is simply not true
Sonic is not better, and no amount of intermission autism pumped into your brain by sloptubers can justify that opinion
It's a tale as old as timeNF mogged the shit out of MK8 but yet everyone still simped for MK8 over NF even when it was the superior game The original CTR was even mogged by MK64
>>724302360>>724302403>>724302726PC, PlayStation and Xbox don't offer better games these days.
>>724318306You should actually try thinking for yourself rather than forming your whole opinion around being upset at someone on YouTube. They aren't even worth bringing up if you have something valuable to say, so you come off as the one being manipulated when you feel the need to mention it.
>>724319268>n-no you!I played the shitty demo, moron. I’ve just seen all the dogshit “proof” of this game being better, and it was outrage bait thumbnails
>>724319863Then just talk from your own experience of the games if you want to actually make a point. I don't care what you think about some youtuber.
>>724302360Glad I bought Sonic and Digimon instead
>>724319981I’d have done so if the thread topic wasn’t about the reception, sales, cope, etc. The thread wasn’t made to discuss the actual quality of the games. OP’s assessment of the game’s was the pretext, and his assessment is shit, so I called it out
>>724320649>The thread wasn’t made to discuss the actual quality of the gamesThat is something that I can't argue against. I'll also defend MKW depending on the context since people seem to miss that it is only held back by poor designs that could be changed overnight.
>>724315642>There use to be a time where Pokemon games were some of the best titles on a Nintendo handheld.No. Pokemon has always been trashy and by the gba era their lack of quality was borderline insulting.Seperate the pokemon's brand name prestige from the actual product and you will notice the gap in quality between pokemon and every other competing game. I struggle to find any game that looks as bad, has a story as paper thin, or has rpg systems as simple as pokemon (no pvp autism doesn't count).
>>724302403FpbpStop trying to use logic and reason to explain sales. It was never based on quality, or merit. It was based on belief and faith. They believe it is good, so they will buy it. They are fully and completely indoctrinated, and are not interested in outside alternatives. Very common mindset these days.
>>724321314Seems like you’ve got a very reasonable perspective, anon. And I don’t begrudge Sonic, I can understand why some would prefer it. But aside from the lack of 3 lap only random matchmaking (which Sonic also kind of lacks, depending on how you tolerate the core gimmick), Mario Kart World really is better in the most important aspects, content and polish. QoL, options, and customization all suck though, which is absurd
>>724305435That was simply not going to happen without delaying it for a Switch 2 port, and it was already in development for 8 yearsNot fucking worth it
>>724322296Sounds like our opinions actually do generally line up, so sorry for poking at you over the youtube comment. It generally just annoys me when people say that my options don't count if they may or may not overlap with what someone else said. I would also give MKW the edge if I didn't need to play in a private lobby to feel like I'm getting the most out of it. It is undeniably more polished since Sonic has some clear jank, but at the same time I do also really like the driving mechanics in Sonic. I would previously have said that I was glad they got rid of snaking in MK since it is just something to worry about on top of everything else, but trying to keep a good line while snaking with the counter drift in Sonic feels really good. MK controls are almost too refined since you feel too in control all of the time.
>>724307283>However, Mario Kart does its best to stop you from enjoying the game by pushing you to connecting tracks most of the timeI feel like anyone with eyes could've clocked how shitty the "open world" was going to be from the first trailerBut it's modern Nintendo, so everything is open world now even when it doesn't make sense
>>724305498mkw simply doesnt allow you to enjoy it. it introduced some cool mechanics, but they are only used often in a handful of tracks and that get mitigated more when you only get one lap on a track. it's also pretty understated but the basic driving mechanics while they might visually look better feel a lot worse and most of the time driving straight is more optimal than going for drift boosts. maybe they did that so peoples hands wouldnt get destroyed from constantly snaking on the intermissions, but it sure does may playing the game really boring. the bagging meta is also pretty obnoxious, while in sonic you're at least given a few options besides being a faggot
>>724315385>This brings the total for Persona 5 (including Royal) to at least 5 million copies sold togetherhttps://www.crunchyroll.com/news/latest/2021/6/30/atlus-reveals-updates-persona-sales-numbers-franchise-has-sold-15-million-copies-worldwideWanna talk about facts, do youThis was a year and four months prior to it's simultaneous launch on PC, Xbox and Switch.
>>724323342I actually did enjoy the open world in free roam mode. It was fun finding the panels and seeing all of the details they built into the areas around the tracks. I even minimized my use of quick travel since I though it was nice to be able to drive through he world between courses to enjoy the visuals and find challenges along the way. However, it does not make for a good race track. The turns are way too gentle and the huge off road shortcuts make the race feel pointless until you get to the real track. When you first start out it tricks you into thinking the connection courses add nice variety, but they mostly all start to feel the same to drive with different decorations and a few set pieces. It is simply unreasonable that they would be able to make over 200 well designed race tracks that are as good as the 15-16 new tracks they make per game. Trying to force the open world in every single mode rather than just the places where it makes sense was a huge mistake.
>>724323184All good, I understand the reaction, but I mostly enter shit threads to voice a gripe with it, not try to squeeze some nuanced discussion from the stone, which is hopefully understandable. I really wasn’t a fan of the driving in Sonic. I don’t like snaking, and it becomes so spammy when the consequence for wall bumping is like 3 rings that you’ll get back instantly. It’s even worse in a boat or plane, where you essentially are using your drift equivalent constantly. Feels like an arcade racer in a bad way to me. And I like where they landed with MKW controls. 8 felt too simple, this feels just right. And the driving on water is harder in a fun way
>>724312432Yeah, I certainly can't feel the same speed as I do in MKW nor can I ride walls nor are the stages anywhere near as elaborate in general. Don't get me started on the music either, MKW wins that department by a landslide, very pathetic coming from a Sonic game.
>>724323461Bagging is atrocious in Crossworlds, 3 items w/swap is fucking abysmal
>>724302360MKW isn't slop, it's just not very good. It's got really great aesthetics and the music is fucking killer, a lot of the side shit is nice, but it's just got ages of built,-up mechanical issues because Mario Kart gameplay design has never been very good. Crossworlds has a lot of the same issues, it just doesn't have the glaring flaw of LOL 200 TRANSITIONAL TRACKS so it's more fun to play in bursts.
>>724325860Nintendo is the #1 slop provider though
>>724325860>MKW isn't slop, it's just not very goodWhat’s the difference, the outcome is I don’t wanna play it either way. Acting like there is between the two seems to just be splitting hairs
>>724327856Slop implies low effort or low quality. MKW is clearly high-effort and high-quality, but the intended design isn't very good at a basic level. Imagine a really intricate, beautiful, handmade shirt made out of a fabric that's too stiff to wear comfortably; it's still cool, even if it's not good for its intended purpose.
