Why would aliens intentionally create something thats only purpose is to drive you insane and then reanimate corpses?
Dark forest theory
evil genes made them do it
>>724304889>Why would aliens intentionally create something thats only purpose is to drive you insane and then reanimate corpses?That's their life cycle.
Something something Lovecraftian doesn't have to explain shit
>>724305210Now that's just silly.
its a neat idea to have a being prey on intellent life like its a singular entity.
>>724304889It's fun
>>724304889So does organic life have the same chemical and cell structure across the galaxy in that universe. Or is it some bullshit explenation like the flood in Halo?
>>724304889Several different versions>No one fucking knows>It's a weapon against humans, who were the weapons of another precursor race>It's supposed to recreate some supreme alien being from the amassed organic matter>Lets these living moons know there is life to conaume in the universe again
Markers cultivate sentient life and then millions of years later suck it all up into flesh moons. So maybe some alien race really wanted a bunch of flesh moons.
>flesh moons are an ayyliens version of chicken tendies
what if the flesh moon woke up?
>>724304889see thats why this wont happen irl since population growth collapsed and we wont have an energy crisis
i would've never guessed after playing 1 and 2, this one concluding with a psychic battle against the marker, that it was meant to create moon tendies for other living moons
>>724306375a lot of early sci-fi was massively offit turns out equal rights and constant work makes people not breedoh and governments like being the only ones with armies, as blackwater found out the hard way
>>724306509>as blackwater found out the hard wayWait, can you expand on that? I remember it changing its name a bunch of times and the Iraqi scandal, but that's it.
>>724306509Ok, lets strip you of your rights then. Problem solved.>Nooooo it wasn't me who was supposed to be a slave with no rights, I was supposed to be on the top REEEEEE
>>724304889They're hidden booby prizes for any civilization that starts planet cracking to avert an energy/resource crisis.The civilization's tech and knowledge base gets used to create a new marker or just propagate the booby prize system.Considering how many countless iterations are possible, the markers may not have even started out capable of doing that and it's just a paperclip maximizer situation.>>724305992Organic life is almost certainly going to be in fluid suspension and have some kind of self-replication machinery.It really just needs to manipulate that machinery to create whatever it wants using its limited ability to act on matter.
>>724305992You're carbon based, they're carbon based, it's a match made in heaven. Until those theoretical deranged silicone based lifeforms show up and ruin it all of course.
It's a shame Dead Space went right back into Stasis because E.A thought it didn't make enough money.
>>724304889I mean it’s how these aliens reproduce so maybeWould a worm infest your brain and consume it leaving you a vegetable to procreate? Yes it would.
>>724307154>you go in and die that's your problem>also fuck you>also it's all your fault>also I'm not paying youSame shit happened with Wagner, it was a recurrent thing in the middle ages/renaissance. Mercenaries always get shafted unless they fuck up the employer first.
>>724304889For the lulz.
>>724305351You misspelt hot.
>>724307190I'm not like other fascists. I know my place on the ladder, I'll die a worker drone with no autonomy and I'll be happy
>>724307313>worm doesnt make me 10ft tall, 10inch cock, 10figure salary, and wildly hypersexual in order to spread it everywhereretarded fucking low iq worm
>>724307154federal prosecution over shit the military would never even bring to question against itself
>>724307379>>724307308>quoted the wrong post
>>724305210Never thought I'd be jerking off to the marker from Dead Space but here I am
>>724307190i'm a manhow is a woman going to take my rights?
>>724305210I wonder what a "cum-vergance" event would look like in this universe.
>>724307546Same as regular convergence but you got a boner beforehand
>>724307230>Until those theoretical deranged silicone based lifeforms show up and ruin it all of course
>>724304889>Why would we create electronic devices, that need and drain batteries, only for the batteries to deplete and so to be recharged and reused again?
Are the animated stuff a good watch? How many are there, anyway?
>>724307445Ok so why haven't you just taken away everyone elses rights?
>>724307789like twoone is the ishimura outbreak and the other is some other outbreak with stross
>>724304889>Why would aliens intentionally create something thats only purpose is to drive you insane and then reanimate corpses?So that you could have special enemies that you need to dismember to kill to make an interesting gameplay loop in your video game.
>>724307994Aliens being real pals giving us good vidya content
>>724307686I am unfamiliar with this material desu.
>>724307313>>724307386Thanks, anons!
>>724304889huh? its obviously a pretty cool weapon, just imagine planting it on an enemy planet and it will cause havoc.
>>724304889That's a pretty stupid question. The purpose of the Markers is made very clear
>>724308074That's BLAME!Surely you've heard of BLAME!
>>724308592not really
>>724307313Well mercs also don't have the legal rights to certain roles, which complicates it. Though it is an area that is very grey and not easily defined at times.>WagnerMercenaries and "security" forces in name only. They were (and are most certainly now) just the russian government using a "private" firm to feign that they totally aren't involved.
>>724308634The Blame dude look like a school shooter
>>724308634Not that I recall, but I might've forgotten.
>>724308635They evolve species until they're intelligent enough to build more Markers, and then they drive them into a fanatical frenzy where they willingly sacrifice their dead biomass to create a new Brethren Moon
We went from Dead Spaces to the history of real life mercenary groups. You guys will never stop confusing me
>>724304974Nigga just fling a dimensional compressor at the star system lmao
>>724304889The purpose of cosmic horror isn't "why". It just is and it's so different from us that it's supposed to send you into complete breakdown.
>>724304889It's actually just their giant alien dildo, the "drive lesser beings insane and reanimate their corpse" part is an unintended side effect.
ngl now that its presented like thatwe play games and make sims die in pools or whateverif life was found in the universe, and then we could move around to each of them and turns out its kinda mundane and uninteresting, and hugely plentiful. i mean someone somewhere would do ityou know somewhere an ants nest has been curated for some completely fucked reasonlike people break other peoples computers for shits and gigs,
>>724308901You're pretty much describing the Qu. An alien species that's so advanced and bored that they inflict species-wide body horror for shits and giggles
>>724304889because its a weapon retard, its essentially a nuke and they have the code to stop it
>>724307294I mean the series is narratively done.
>>724304889>intentionally create something thats only purpose is to drive you insane and then reanimate corpses?So any third-world person?
>>724309213But I wanted to see a full-blown Brethren Moon apocalypse. Could've had some Hellstar Remina shit
>>724309040Nukes are one and done. Markers are basically self-propagating.
The Markers imprison the minds of the races that encounter them (while butchering them dead in meatspace) and they also infect anyone who had any contact with the Marker so the Marker Moons could trace their movement and find new worlds full of organics to MERGE & genocide.Basically they're kinda like The Reapers except a lot less retarded than Bioware Quality Writing.
>>724304889Who knows, maybe we're the ants and they're the kids with magnifying glasses.
>>724307190Unironically I'd give up my rights if it took away more people's rights
>>724308460It takes too long to get going. Just drop a few shipments of emus or clone indians.
>>724310118>t.
I always saw the marker as a moon egg, the moons being just natrually occuring lifeforms in the universe
>>724304889Also why would aliens intentionally create something thats only purpose is to make me want to drive it up my ass? I dont understand that either.
>>724309657>Basically they're kinda like The ReapersYeah I've always said that Necromorphs are literally organic Reapers. Giant planet-sized Lovecraftian horrors that reproduce that genociding an entire civilization once it gets too big for its britches
>>724309213You can technically assume the Moons killed everyone including Isaac and Carver, but they had an entire fourth game planned with Ellie scavenging ships and then figuring out how to destroy the Moons but it unleashed an even bigger Ancient Evil.
>>724307202>They're hidden booby prizes for any civilization that starts planet cracking to avert an energy/resource crisis.I like this headcanon
>>724309329Weeb slop copy shit no thanks
>>724310750why didnt they just put it back in the ground?
>>724311069Okay autist, then how about Majora's Mask, or Galactus, or Unicron, or the Reapers in Mass Effect 3. The point is, planet devourers are cool
>>724310750im kind of glad 4th game didn't happened, i don't want to play as ellieDS3 was a wasted entry, the OG concept sounded really cool, this is the game they need to remake
>>724304889Well, we are also creating AI which is already showing signs of emotional manipulation and driving people insane so it's not really that farfetched.
>>724311659>i don't want to play as ellieWhy are there so many faggots on this site is this some sort of propaganda
>>724312105Maybe he doesn't want to play as Ellie because you play as Isaac for 3 games in a row and he'd prefer to end the series with Isaac? Ever considered that, redditor faggot?
>>724304889Its a more elaborate version of those fungi that spread spores that mind control ants and shit. Here the spores are energy dynamos, so sentient races start to worship them, and it then starts to release psychic waves that mutate the new hosts into material for the flesh moons.
>>724312315>it’s le Reddit Kys bot
>>724312531I accept your concession
>>724304889It's religious
>>724308901>>724308979always found that retardedget that advanced and amoral you would just cut out the dopamine/feel good middle man and put yourself in the feel good tank for eternity
>>724307230>>724305992>>724307202What can the brethren moon do against the andromeda strain? Can't really slash people much if your entire vascular system gets clogged with red powder now?
>>724304974>send probes emitting energy/beams of light once they're light-years away from earth>alien tards attack it>figure out where the attack came from by analyzing the data sent by the probes and doing some trigonometry >snipe the alien trads backthere I solved the dark forest bullshit.
>>724304889why did mankind created aids, nukes, drones who can kill you from X km away etc? because they can
writer for the dead space games said he was going for>the markers existed to keep something even worse at bay
>>724304889Maybe for aliens this gave them some sort of mind powered internet and helped regenerated wounds.Imagine if you were a monkey and you were forced to try and comprehend the internet and your body started to regenerate with human DNA setup instead of monkey DNA.The most interesting thing to me about alien technology/artifacts is that they may not even be evil, it's just shit that you shouldn't mess with because it simply isn't meant to be used by you.
>>724306164What if at the origin of the marker terror there was one intensively autistic ayy fucker like that one guy on earth who's into foreverially delitized cartoon characters? But he's into giant bulbous stellar objects made of flesh?
How was the remake compared to the original?Any noticeable differences?
>>724306375It collapsed due to chemicals in the food distribution and mrna vaccine. So if our overlords aren't humans maybe we're already being manipulated by alien forces redirecting and reshaping human evolution and growth
>>724307789The animated comic is better than the "real" animes.
>>724314667>Story is changed for the worse across the board with Hammond and Mercer getting the worst of it.>It makes it a bit more apparent Nicole is already dead so the twist isn't as hard-hitting.>Combat is made worse due to the skin system.>Many guns were overhauled for better (Contact Beam is finally usable) and worse (Force Gun now basically does nothing outside of rip skin).>They implemented DS2 and DS3 zero-g but with a worse control scheme.>You are now forced to backtrack and find entrances to areas that the tram took you to in the original.Hydroponics for example requires you to go to the Hangar Bay where you fixed the tram via Kinesis and there's a door there to it. They also do this to get to the Bridge where Kyne is.>There is now a security system in place to force you to backtrack to older areas if you want blueprints for ammo or other items.>RIGs are mostly worse than what the original had, but the most egregious one is the Advanced Soldier RIG.>Doors can now stunlock you if you stand in them to peek into the area connected to it.>Impossible difficulty is now just a Hardcore version of Hard and the highest the difficulty gets is Hard.>Game is significantly easier than the original.>Kinesis brings in the impaling from DS2 and DS3 but it can't one-shot lower tier Slashers at all so it's not as effective.>They added new rooms to many parts of the map and reworked others.Basic example is in Engineering there's that room past the workbench where you have to follow a tram across the ship to pull some levers, but in Remake it now forces you to either remove all the oxygen or turn off the lights entirely.>Asteroid shooting is replaced with a straight line you have to reach the end of.>You fight the Leviathan on the hull of the ship when calling in the Valor, it's actually a great addition.>NG+ introduces red eye enemies which are pure damage sponges that take 20+ shots of the Plasma Cutter to kill even though it's maxed out, and they respawn
>>724313980Jews? Bedbugs? Taxes collectors?
>>724315406>>Asteroid shooting is replaced with a straight line you have to reach the end of.Tbf, Asteroid shooting fucking sucked
>>724315406>Doors can now stunlock you if you stand in them to peek into the area connected to it.lmao
>>724304889One theory is that the ones who made the markers made them to reanimate themselves and were compatible with themselves only.This however backfired, the aliens never got reanimated, then some other aliens came and everything went downhill until it resulted in a Brother Moon. Then said abomination send out markers here and there to find life and the cycle continued until we ended with a Fermi Paradox where everyone except humans and the Brethren Moons are dead.BTW, that alien race that made the markers? Must've been insectoid considering the Necromorphs have some insectoid elements in their designs.
>>724316320It wasn't that bad on controller and the replacement isn't exactly better. It's literally just a straight line where they reuse the "Go into these cubbyholes to dodge asteroid showers while Necromorphs spawn" gimmick leading up to it.>>724316567
>>724304889it's a mysterymaybe they are psychopaths
The franchise suffered from really shitty writing. Too much of the lore and backstory required other games and media to understand. It's also retarded that you don't use a planet cracker ship to defeat the moon. How incompetent do you have to be to write a story like this
>>724317219>It's also retarded that you don't use a planet cracker ship to defeat the moon.That's not how the planet crackers work. You'd need thousands if not tens of thousands of Marker-immune people to fly the thing, land on the Moon itself, set up gravity tethers, manually dig out around said gravity tethers, and only then could the planet cracker do anything. It's not some magical ship, it's a glorified truck pulling on a rope.
>>724305210I'm curious. Is there more?
Anyone else had this bug happen to them in the original game? Made a separate save file for act 5 since I heard there's a nasty softlock on it and for some reason the difficulty got downgraded from hard to medium and it isn't just a menu visual as I fought a lurker who took less shots to down compared to ones I faced in previous chapters
>>724317453What if you sedated the moon with a big space syringe?
>>724314667Issac has more agency since he talks in this one. Instead of just being bossed around the whole time by Hammond and Daniels he is the one who usually thinks up the solutions to the current problem as the engineer. Which makes him come across as more competent and know what he is doing. They also go a bit more in detail with what the marker is actually trying to accomplish in order to be more in line with the sequels, since in the original dead space, the Marker's function and what it was actually trying to do almost seems to be the complete opposite to what they do later in the series.
>>724304889Are there any cool cross over fanfics with Dead Space?
>>724323806This please. I read martyr and watched all the movies and the comic. There must be something fun to read written by fans. If harry potter has half a billion fanfics then so can dead spice.
>>724309213The pitch for Dead Space 4 was a Battlestar Galactica style roadtrip of the remnants of humanity escaping from Earth and I'm sad we never got to see what that would look like without EA's fuckery.
necromorphs vs flood halo vs infested warframe vs tyranids 40k
>>724305210
>>724324850The Tyranids are the only ones who employ actual military strategy, but the Flood seem pretty unbeatable to me since they're airborne spores. Like if the Tyranids tried eating a Flood, that would just make another Flood. I'm sure a 40k fanboy would try to say something like "but they would muh evolve"
>>724324850Can only provide opinion on flood and necromorphs but the flood seems more dangerous considering it can assimilate living matter as well.Necromorphs in themselves are quite fragile, if the marker wasn't brainwashing everyone a good squad could wipe them all out on one planet easily.
>>724325886I mean, their whole shtick is absurd maximalist version of this kind of organism. Dissolving all mater, repurposing it and adapting, down to molecules. Tyranids have organisms of all ranges and sizes. They probably will get wrecked by flood for a while, but will evolve to counter it eventually, sure. Maybe not even fully and still be susceptible to corruption. At this point we gotta compare their psychic hivemind powers instead of purely physical capabilities.>>724324850Warframe virus effects technology too iirc, so that can be an advantage.
>>724304974>midwit cannibal theory
>>724313823>the aliens easily extrapolate exactly where the probes came from>you're fucked
>>724310750the setup on how to defeat a breathen moon was there since day 1. >moon shaped enemy>planet cracker it all comes back to the mining gig. shame we will never get it
>>724329152They are gigantic organic moons that can travel at FTL speeds, how the fuck would you reasonably go at them with a planet cracker? Even if they don't have to employ the "regular" process, it will still take time, time that the other moons can use to fuck you up.
>>724329152That solution does not work, especially if you read how planet cracking works in DS1.>A crew arrives two years in advance to land on the planet and set up gravity tethers.>They then have to excavate around the gravity tethers so the pop can happen at all.>Then the planet cracker itself finally comes into place a year later, aligns with the tethers on the planet, and pulls really hard to "pop" it.None of this is possible to do with a Moon. It also completely ignores the fact the entire planet cracker and the people sent onto said Moon would need to be staffed exclusively with people immune to the Marker signal, said people will go insane anyway since the dying one on Tau Volantis was enough to drive Isaac of all people insane for a bit let alone a living one, and the Moons themselves move faster than light because they were able to reach Earth from deep space faster than Isaac and Carver could with a Shock Drive.Everyone who brings this up only takes the name "planet cracker" at face value.
>>724313630Necromorph zombie magic straight up does not care, it's already reanimating dead tissue that shouldn't be able to move around in that manner
>>724319274It's a well known bug. IIRC clicking "continue game" or whatever it was called would sometimes reset your game's difficulty to medium no matter what. You have to manually load the saves. To unfuck a save you need to use a hex editor CE, I don't really remember which one it was.
>>724304889I'm not sure if it's intentional. My headcanon is that the technology was triggered accidentally and killed its creator. It's like a paperclip optimizer AI. Just multiply and consume until the entire galaxy is dark, with no real endgoal. The lights are on but nobody's home, the thing just follows its need to propagate.
>meh lets give DS3 a spin, in coop should be tolerable>save game after 5 hour session and quit>next day progress it's not there>character progress only saves for person creating the lobbyEEEEAAAAAA you assholes, coop was one of the selling points and changes to the game
Spreading pain and misery is the entire meaning of life.
>>724329802>>724329938its the most thematically correct answer. easily to write it like overclock the gravity tether by rerouting power from a captured marker or something. like usual, isaac just juryrigs a solution from his ass. whatever ds4's conclusion would be, it would have to be written as messy, desperate, and held together by duct tape.
>>724324850Warframe and flood would be in a stalemate or combine into something even worse. Nothing else stands a chance.
>>724304889I’ve played the OG games like ten times and still have no idea how this thing works. Does it make you suicidal and then reanimate your corpse? If so, what’s the point of the stingray infectors?
>>724329152>>724329938One more thing I forgot to mention is that the Moons themselves can spawn Necromorphs as well. So imagine an infinitely respawning horde of Necromorphs that can tear apart metal and no location on the Moon itself is safe because it can just keep spawning them to stop what you're doing. In ideal situations it takes them two years to set up the tethers and excavate, and then it takes a week of the planet cracker itself setting up to even pull on the tethers which then takes another 24 hours to actually pull it.>>724330601The gravity tether needs to connect to tethers on whatever it is pulling and it still takes 24 hours to pull it up. It itself does not pull on the object, it's like you attaching a rope to an object with a truck and then driving the truck to pull said object out. You're basically saying the truck should drive off with no rope and expect the object to be pulled out.Realistically the Moons would likely be destroyed by the ayy lmao tech from the end of DS3 since they managed to keep the Moon of Tau Volantis in stasis, and Ellie would have found a group along with Isaac and Carver to figure out how it worked.
>>724304889The longer you dwell on it the more you realize how stupid this shit is desu
>>724304889>Alien artifact is so alien that it fucks up humans in unspeakable waysOf course the devs ruined by coming up with an explanation for faggots like OP
>>724318378no
>>724330873Marker signal does make people go insane, hallucinate, grow violent etc. Unless they are special or smart like Isaac and some others. Any dead tissue having a contact with necromorph material starts to transform. It's in the name. Infectors can kill you and expedite the process significantly directly. I think if there is any dead meat close to Marker, it can be transformed into necromorph. That's how og infection started when they've unearthed it. That's depicted in a wii spin-off game.
>>724323806Whats with these horse pics?
>>724331858hornse
>>724331858iconic and fun
>>724304889How about a dead space spin off that take place on earth and in the past? Like a spanish conquistador finding a small fragment of the marker and creating some monster and a cult around it?
>>724333197retarded idea
>>724312315But there are only 2 games.
>>724304889Can Dead Space Sabotage aka the phone game be emulated?
>>724304889Just read the original concept for 3 and possibly 4. We were robbed.
>>724333197If EA would dare to do something like what Onimusha is to RE but for DS
>>724322369Him being way out of depth is the point of the first game. He is just an engineer. Not a xenobiologist, not a soldier, not a leader/commander. Reslop missing the point, as usual.
>>724333197Cultist simulator can be fun, but any sort of actual marker presence will instantly lead to necromorphs into gg.
>>724328665It's ok I launched it from TelAviv they already have embassies in all foreign worlds.
>>724334338Extraction and Sabotage YEAH
>>724331160To be honest dead space moon shenanigans came late I prefer the setting when it remained a mystery.
>>724334375Yeah on phone if you found the apk and if you're looking into emulating on pc you just emulate the android version running it? It must be floating around on the internet.The crux of the problem resides in how difficult it must be with little interest and information available for a decade old APK that is, even of stellar in relation with phone game standards, isn't much compared to og dead space games.
>>724305330aren't most of them just neutral that don't give a shit except a few like Nyarly who do it for fun?
>>724306228Doesn't that happen at the end of Dead Space 3?
>>724313630>Andromeda StrainNecromorphs can produce strong acids/bases, don't need to have human blood pH and aren't strictly reliant on a vascular system to propagate,given that clumps of dead skin cells and other biological waste are being repurposed as death machines. >>724329990I mean, necromorph zombie magic does need to build some kind of infrastructure in its host in order to make use of its full potential and it needs to be able to do things to dead bodies for them to be functional or adapt to new circumstances.The infectors deploy some kind of rapid catalyst, otherwise dead bodies are content to remain dead bodies for a long time and most necromorphs can't spontaneously regrow limbs.The marker can effect living tissue in order to induce hallucinations, but it also can't just instantly kill someone.Freezing a planet halted the necromorph outbreak indefinitely until it was thawed.>>724314093>The most interesting thing to me about alien technology/artifacts is that they may not even be evil, it's just shit that you shouldn't mess with because it simply isn't meant to be used by you.That's basically why plagues are so deadly. It is not meant to kill you, it just doesn't know that you're not a cow or whatever.
>>724336164Neutral as in they are fucking with you and helping some other dude for reasons no one will ever understand
>>724336243Well I didn't read the book but in the movie the strain is evolving so it's open for many possibilities, with one evolution possibly halting the progress of the necro infestation.
>>724336243True. It is common knowledge that all plagues were created to dispose of master Pain/Betty's best henchman. Anything else is collateral damage.
>>724306228It did wake up. His moon bros too. And then they went to literally eat the Earth.The End.
>>724305992only so many ways life can evolve and all that, but you do still have a point when it comes to chemistry: no easy way to get around mismatched chirality
>>724336817They came to stop Gaben from making red skins tradable but it was too late.
>>724334810No shit idiot. So when things like the comms array breaks or the ADS cannons go offline, it is ISSAC as the engineer who makes up the plans on how to fix it. Instead of being told to by the others like a glorified errand boy. Like I just said.With Issac talking in the remake it makes him look like he knows what he is doing as the engineer fixing the ship.
>>724305992Dead Space 3 already showed ayy lmaos also becoming Necromorphs so it's not just humanity.
>>724337236This and Fear 3 went full retard. Not as bad as all the vidya in 2015+ tho...
>>724336910Gaben is a sleeper agent. He was a contained necromorph moon this entire time. When True Gaben awakens he will absorb every steam user on the planet.
>>724337236DS3 got a lot of naysayers but one thing cool is how you can become obsessed with alien life getting mangled and repurposed by markers and make supposition about what they looked like originally. Look at necromorphs changed using a human subjects, then picture how the aliens got modified.
>>724337236Huh?What does that mean???
>>724337367Still a better fate than installing epic. Sorry Timmy.
>>724337468That boy needs therapy.
>>724338246Purely psychosomatic.
>powerful religious warrior that has no hesitation about sacrificing himself for his faith and probably has a whole harem of brainwashed submissive trad hotties>weak self-doubting atheist nerd that gets bullied and cuckoldedAnd you're telling me you'd rather be the atheist?
>>724338357>they are wholeThe thing about being "whole" that a Marker streams into your head is it saying to not fight and gather all the biomass up for Convergence to birth a new Moon
>>724338357What if they fuse with the sun
>>724338837We'll need at least 1 trillion lions
>>724338806Yeah but it's a cool tagline, let's slap it on there
>>724313823>solved the dark forest bullshit.that's literally dark forest, every alien is trying to destroy any other alien because brutal calculus says with world ending weapons, isolation is better than cooperation
>>724338357Moons do ask about making them whole. What if they combine and mass is too much and megamoon collapse into itself and form necromorph hole.
The moon woke up
I didn't really like the idea of brethren moons and I was butthurt that my original theory donut steele back in the day wasn't the actual explanation:aliens try to solve death by inventing technology that can resurrect the dead but it goes wrong and you accidentally come back as a screaming flesh beast that just wants to turn everything it sees into a corpse like itself
i just finished ds2 it was pretty fucking peak
>>724339198I like the moons because it's cool having the Fermi paradox solved by all life in space being groomed into intelligence development by ancient fucked up corpse meat monsters who reproduce by shooting out mind control devices making intelligent life build the tool of their own demise and then sucking up all those dead bodies to form a new one of themselves
One thing I never understood: how the fuck do the moons reach planets quickly? Space is insanely vast, without FTL technology reaching even a single planet should take them billions of years.
>>724339127Nah if they sent ambassadors to my probe I would not annihilate them. Their fault for being aggressive cunts.
>>724340250They send Black Markers that influence evolution on planets to reach levels of intelligence to be able to reproduce their own Markers to spread the influence of Convergence across the planet before killing everything on the planet with psychotic dementia and/or warped and mutated living corpses and making new life from all that dead flesh once everything is exterminated.I think they can figure out how to go fast.
>>724340769Generating the equivalent of an evil dookie and firing it into deep space so it can hit a planet hundreds of millions of years later and transcending the speed of light are pretty different concepts, unless you are suggesting the moons have a fucking organ in them somewhere that lets them violate relativity.
>>724336910>To stop a Gaben, take control>And press the Gaben
>>724340250The only evidence that the Moons travel extremely quickly (FTL) is the ending of Awakened, and the entire DLC can be written-off as Isaac's hallucination as the Tau Volantis' Moon falls down and crashes his bodyOn a meta level, the writers were aware that their studio was about to close, so they had no incentive to write a proper ending that would tie up all loose ends
>>724337447The corpses and enemies you see are the aliens mangled and repurposed. You reassemble the only normal corpse in the ice (rosetta), and it's supposed to be "damn, the markers did a number on these guys"
>>724341502Evil moons hiding behind Earth to specifically spook Isaac when he gets back was really funny.
>>724339546>it's cool having the Fermi paradox solved by all life in space being groomed into intelligence development by ancient fucked up corpse meat monsters who reproduce by shooting out mind control devices making intelligent life build the tool of their own demise and then sucking up all those dead bodies to form a new one of themselvesThis is literally mass effect if you change two words.>I like the Reapers because it's cool having the Fermi paradox solved by all life in space being groomed into intelligence development by ancient fucked up robots who reproduce by shooting out mind control devices making intelligent life build the tool of their own demise and then sucking up all those dead bodies to form a new one of themselves
>>724339143>The final boss is a post-op
I feel like Dead Space works best with unanswered questions the problem is they were pretty much building up to it with the whole trilogy aspect and even then 3 ends on a bleak cliffhanger.
>>724342129Crossover when?
>>724342228Thankfully never as both are completely dead.
>>724342129Is it? I never played ME
>>724342129Except there is no Fermi paradox in mass effect.
>>724342129>Do you prefer your sci fi have assimilation race more Borg-like or Thing flavored, sir?>Let's do both and see what can be franchised better.
>>724304974Shittiest theory in history. First, to be able to detect intelligent species is possible at a much lower technological level than the level of technology it takes to hide those signals. Second, if intelligent species are that advanced then triangulating the location of hostile species, even if they seeded the entire universe with independent acting platforms to eliminate other species, would be trivial, as would then alpha striking and eliminating those hostile species. Third, this would result in the opposite of a Dark Forest scenario, as cooperative species would quickly form alliances and shut out every hostile species.The Dark Forest is the shittiest of the, "Where's all the intelligent species?!" answers to the Fermi Paradox. The only way it can work is for the equivalent of one of the Culture series Sublimated elder species to have reached its pinnacle with absolutely no competition, be hostile and active in the universe, and yet somehow not bother to be proactive in eliminating potential future competitors before they can even approach the possibility of being a competitor despite detection of such potential species being trivial.
>>724342530>salarians are space ADHD>turians are space cops>asari are space sluts>hanar are space sponges>elcor are space retards>volus... yeahNo actual aliens.
>>724342530The solution to mass effect's Fermi Paradox was "The reapers kill everything every 50,000 years."
>>724312105I want to fuck ellie not BE ellie
>>724307154>Wait, can you expand on that?A government is a monopoly on force. Any decently successful security contractor has to be proactively destroyed by whatever government it's in competition with. Wagner's ops that overlap the Russian sphere were rolled into the MoD after their penal casualties were no longer needed. They continued to operate with some independence in Africa for a year or so but are being gradually replaced by Russian military units.Blackwater suffered a similar fate. Eric Prince was instrumental to providing security for VIPs in Iraq. One day they got ambushed and were unable to retreat due to a large vehicle being disabled at the beginning of the firefight. Blackwater kept meticulous records and was able to account for everything that happened in all of their combats including this one. The QRF was attacked in Tahrir square. They were there as part of a mission to defend a VIP, who needed to retreat through Tahrir square. They were unable to retreat. The first vehicle that Blackwater shot at turned out to not be involved in that attack and drove at the Blackwater convoy aggressively for unknown reasons. Eric prince was prevented from giving most of this evidence at the trial, and charges were enforced based on one of Prince's employees falsely testifying against himself. This all according to Prince in a book he wrote about the incident. I happen to know someone whose friend died in the backseat of the civilian car. That woman went to church the week prior and told everyone God had shown her a vision that she would die, she'd made peace with it, and this would be her last communion. The driver, iirc, was a male college student who couldn't have possibly had motive and was driving his mom and her friend.Blackwater, after getting backstabbed by the US, changed names, left Iraq, and followed the plot of MGSV. They operate out of an offshore oil platform in the Seychelles and mostly provide security for conflict minerals in Africa.
>>724323806There was a good one crossed over with Mass Effect pre-contact with humans where Saren, Nihilus, a quarian and a couple Asari explore the wreck Ishimura. I think it died right as Saren was realizing the Matriarch and entourage who went down to the surface to explore the colony are all compromised unfortunately.
>>724329802Ishimura was an hag planet cracker, 60 years old. Obviously they would need a new planet cracker to pop one open. Also the Ishimura can throw asteroids
>v-sync makes the game run like shit>can't advance past certain areas without it
>>724304889https://deadspace.fandom.com/wiki/Brethren_Moons
>>724342417Sort of, but ME2 and ME3 dropped the ballhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_NAoNd4YyY
Generic spacesuit having magboots that are able to pulverize and cut up human body in one stomp seems a bit dangerous. What if you step on someones toes in the elevator.
>>724341502>On a meta level, the writers were aware that their studio was about to closeThe ancient Lovecraftian horror that uplifts younger races before devouring them is an allegory for EA.
>>724345221>to turn more dead biomass into some unholy abomination that looks like it's alivePottery.
>>724345002if you pay attention, you'll notice most people aren't wearing suits like that and are in normal clothes with RIGsthat's security and engineer gear, stuff for people who need protection
>>724345503it's very funny to remember isaac's entire toolset is just mining and engineering equipment he jurry-rigged
>>724345002What if the elevator falls on your foot, huh? Bet you'd be glad you wore your bullet-proof armored corpse stompers then, huh?
Because the entire point is to cause a mass death event to create biological material to repair existing alien strongholds (moons), and potentially create new ones to add to the hivemind.This is all explained REALLY explicitly.
>>724329152or simply make a really big Plasma Cutter
>>724346626Then why does the marker want to be put back on that spot?
>>724342417Not but close.Reapers used to be the robot caretakers of some ancient big brain alien whales, their directive was "preserve organic life".But then the reapers reached the conclusion "at some point some race will unlock the skynet tech and some big AI rebellion will end all life, so we must "prune" all civilizations every 50k years or so".
I remember I bought the dead space 3 collectors edition and then my dad asked me why I had a dildo on my desk so now I can’t see the black marker as anything else and it brings me shame :(
>>724347235Because the person who made it was long dead, and it could no longer spur on a convergence event.So, it wanted to be put in a singular, recognizable spot for isaac and kyne, so it could implant the marker blueprints in them, to spur on convergence events elsewhere.You gotta remember they're basically just big antennae, the brotha moons are clearly capable of observing, to some degree, the state of the worlds which are impacted by markers, and likely influence the code sent out.
>>724347761>>724347235also, this is why cross says explicitly the pedestal is an amplifier, to let the eye of the storm the dead space, cover the whole planet.Clearly the pedestal had an effect on it's ability to disperse code.
>>724305210No way fag
>>724307230>Brother Moons getting stripmined by a sand based mining corpImagine the carnage
>>724347761So it just had a terminal case of oneitis? Markercels btfo
>the scientist in 2 who realized they weren't comprehending shit: they were being programmed with knowledge of how to build the marker
>>724348601That's how all the (red) markers work. The person who made them has to be killed/die and be absorbed to kick off convergence. aegis VII's marker was hundreds of years old and the guy who made it was not only off planet but LONG dead, so it wasn't possible, the marker realized this, and attributed a stand down order to the necromorphs (which is why when you're in range of it, they start getting slower/pseudostasis affected). The idea is to implant isaac with the blueprint for a new marker, so he'll make it, and then be the one to kick off the event.
>unupgraded contact beam three shots the final boss
>>724348629>Altman realizing what the Marker is and what's coming before his contemporaries suicide him with three shots to the back of the headIt would've kicked off regardless because Earth Gov is incompetent as shit. But when your founder starts having severe doubts about the entire movement you know something bad is heading your way fast.
>>724348802doesn't make sense
>>724349337it's a fucking videogame. It makes sense within it's world as much as dead bodies being beamed source code for a computer virus that brings them backl to life.
>>724348802>tfw no qt marker gf to love you foreverIt never even began
>>724348802Note this is the remake explanation. In the original convergence wasn't a thing yet, so why the Marker wanted to return to the planet and why doing so seemingly stopped the necromorph event was never really explained and didn't match up with the lore of later games.
>>724349459>wasn't a thing yetwasn't explicitly stated as a thing, it's very much a thing in the third lmao
>>724349386A man who never fugs his marker gf is never a whooole man!
>>724349563>thirdthere's your problem
>>724350189what problem? I'm just explaining the concepts, man.
>>724349459One of the best things the remake did was tie in later lore
>>724350293kill yourself
>>724349563Apparently there was a debate between the creators of the first game on whether the Marker was actually evil, and if those ghosts people see like Nicole were a positive force.Because if you kind of look at dead space 1 in a vacuum. The Nicole ghost helps you get the marker to the planet which stops the outbreak. Which seems like a positive outcome. It isn't until dead space 2 where it is firmly established that yes the marker is evil and the ghosts are not helpful.
>>724350370they're also, you know, because of the dementiakendra mentions seeing her dead brother around
I still haven't played the remake and never will.
>>724350370Of course, and that's a valid discussion to be had, in the vacuum of the first game. But anon was just asking so I gave the answer the game provides in later entries. It's not really up for debate in that regard.I think the potential for markers to not be entirely nefarious beings would have required an explicitly different path of storytelling from the getgo, they're built up as evil from day 1. The people on the dev team who said they aren't are the same retards who whine about media literacy.
>>724350542the first game, aside from v-sync bullshit, is perfectly serviceablefrankly, i still find it better than 2, which tries way too hard to be an action game while having isaac run around like an arthritic grandpa
>>724350542It's on game pass, has been on ps+, has been in a humble bundle or two I think, any particular reason?
Explain to me the focus on planet crackers if the idea wasn't to fight a moon with one
>>724350734the third game broke the franchise
>>724350687Maybe because he thinks it's worse, mister shill.
>>724350734we will never know because the series is dead lmaologic would dictate they're hyping up planet crackers to promote them as a pathway to victory against the moons, but it doesn't really matter.
Why don't the moons absorb the humans into their hivemind? Why waste so much brain power.
>>724349459>In the original convergence wasn't a thing yetIsn't that the Unitologists' whole deal? Everybody becomes one? That was in the first game, wasn't it?
>>724350817Well if he hasn't played it I'm just curious whyand what would I shill? he can pirate it, I don't give a shit, or he can just not play it, but it does interest me because as far as remakes go I feel like it's one of the better ones on the market.
>>724350610No of course not. I'm just saying some things in the original dead space 1 are inconsistent with the rest of the series because it all wasn't firmly established yet when they were making it. Remake does it's best to try and clean things up and have it fit together.
>>724350952quit recommending trash, anon
>>724351105what's trash about it?
>>724351171>demakewowee, i wonder what's bad about iteverything just looks shittier despite being newer and the plot doesn't make sense
>>724339127The calculus is retarded and made up to sell a book. In reality, >civ gain access to post FTL tech>due to how most FTL tech would work, it requires some sort of quantum fuckery>thanks to said quantum fuckery, if the civ tried to fuck around, it would find out well before the tech would exist in the first place>as a result, every civilization came to the same conclusion, that no one finds out if they fuck around because the correct assumption is that people will make you find out before you even fuck around>and that if you make it to FTL without getting blown away, you're trustworthy>thus avoiding the chain of endless pre-emptive finding outs because it's just so stupid to even attempt that crap in the first go>because it's so stupid to attempt it, the rules of physics would literally end up forbidding it>quantum offense requires the same amount of power as quantum defense, and would just be the opposite sides of the same coinIt's not prisoners dilemma if you have to enter the Infinite Realm of the Autistic God-form to even kick start the bullshit.
>>724351302nigger you're still not giving answers I've asked like 5 fucking times.>looking shittierin what fucking way, use your WORDS you child>the plot doesn't make sensethe plot of the first game???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>>724350901Unitology was a thing, but the actually idea of convergence and the moons was not. I am a little fuzzy on what unitology was like in the original game. I think they just thought the marker would bring about transcendence or held the secrets to immortality? Someone else may be able to correct me on that.
>>724351379>the plot of the first game?You're kidding right?>It wasn't a hallucination. It was ACKSHULLY this random scientist lady>oh and Kendra is so sowwy :(>Nicole is also responsible for Isaac's Adam Sandler-looking ass' mom suiciding,
>>724336817Holy kino. I want Hellstar Remina movies.
>>724351606Unitology was "Unity after death". It was pretty much exactly the same, just without the explicit wording because they hadn't been revealed yet.
>>724351606>>724351730The movies also provide more contexthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN5Kwv0Fb6k
>>724351667>gives a character that was established in the original game a little more to do while also tying up one of the plot holes of the original game>this is bad actually So old good, new bad is all you got?
>>724352040holy shit, you're fucking retarded
>>724350910>and what would I shill? he can pirate it, I don't give a shit>It's on game pass, has been on ps+, has been in a humble bundle or two I think, dear potential customer!
>>724314671>if our overlords aren't humansBut enough about the Jews...
>>724304889Isn't this explicitly explained in 3 at the latest? The brethren moons create markers and hurl or leave them around, and their psychic mumbo jumbo stimulates the evolution of intelligent life. The markers then start doing all the bad shit they do in the games like making people build red markers to spread their influence with the goal of causing enough biomass of seemingly specifically intelligent life to be necromorphed to cause a convergence event, resulting in the birth of a new brethren moon.
>>724344317>>724323806I went back and found it. 3 chapters and hasn't updated in 12 years.https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9029227/1/The-Marker
>>724350687There's really no incentive in buying it. The original plays fine on PC, some glitches here and there but they're easily fixable with a few graphic tweaks.
>>724304889Wouldn't have the objective of the aliens be more easily achievable through pleasure? The games should have people having sex all over the ship and you evading all the girls trying to suck your dick.
>>724352908The developers aren't coomers like you, so maybe you can make your own porn parody of dead space? Maybe call it Fuck Space? Dead Sex?
>>724313823>igure out where the attack came from by analyzing the data sent by the probesIf you can observe the aliens, they can also observe you
>>724342129What makes the Reapers and the Moons so different are different things.First of all,the reapers are just following a very boring programming based on their previous creators. This robs them agency on what they are doing, and unlike the BETA from Muv Luv their interactions toward the biological life is not as interesting either..whike the moons act like actual animals. They are just arvesting their own food in order to eat and breed, ending up being the dominant species in the universe following a very scary “big fish in thw pond” rule. Feeling and acting like very predatory animals makes them scarier.And also the efficency. Reapers themselves always fails to 100% exitinguish the galaxy, or else they won’t be able to continue their program.Meanwhile the Moons are more efficent in their doing. Each time a moon was created except for the very game it happens, it was always 100% game over for the whole race that interacted with them. Not a single surviving race…everything is dark , cold and scary. And they do not need to spare people either, just drop a new marker on a planet full of organic stuff and game is done.
>3rd game is a coop game>Set up perfectly for the coop bud to be Ellie>Sorry but NO, you get some just introduced jarhead>Ellie? Oh she's fucking some CHAD.Why did they do this
>>724304889Americans are stupid.
>>724355268I think they intended for Ellie to be the main character in the fourth game but it got scrapped
>>724308634Great comic, loved the ending
Can we finally admit it really wasn't bad? Sure some of the wokeslop changes are abhorrent, but having a more polished version of Dead Space 1 will all the best parts of Dead Space 2 (better gameplay and fucking Gunner Wright) make up for it.
>>724357123why the fuck are you trying so hardyou're either a shill or a fucking retard
>>724357173Nah I just like good games.
>>724350734Planet cracker crews can dig up shit that was buried long ago.
>>724357536it's beautiful
>>724350734It was to establish the world and Earth's lack of resources and desperation to continue as a species.
What does a Brother Moon do while waiting for the next Convergence or sign of a viable planet?They're clearly very intelligent beings. Do they just idly float around in space playing psychic Werewolf with each other for millennia at a time?
>>724350734It is so fucking cool. God I wish I could be working on one. Fuck my job I want to help break open planets.
>>724353005Diddy Space.
