Are space games inherently boring?
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>>724315429>Are space games inherently boring?I spent more time in space engine than playing Starfield. So no.
>>724315429Yes, there's literally nothing out there besides rocks n' gas n' void n' shit.>Muh aliens!Grow up. We're alone in the universe. This is God's proving ground to see whether you're fit to go to heaven or burn. Nothing more, nothing less.
>>724315776Starfield doesn't have Aliens though
>>724316229Who?
>>724315429Most planets are uninhabitable and when they're not, they're built too samey (i.e. like a human settlement). We've basically hit the limits of human imagination.
Haha who asked? Am I right fellow zoomers?
>>724315429They need to approach space games like they do games about the ocean. >AC4 Black Flag>Sea of Thieves >World of WarshipsMake it about something specific rather than trying to explore space which is limitless and will require endless funding cough StarCitizen cough
>made a space rpg without fuckable aliensdoomed to fail
>>724315429you mean "nasacore" games, or whatever the fuck Todd called it?probably, since space is pretty big and empty and your exploration is so limitedthat's Starfield's biggest problem; it's a game that is predominantly fast travel from a company famous for creating sandboxes dense with side questswhat little exploration it did have they cheaped out on with their paint by numbers build a planet shit with maybe five different templatesa more realistic space game works in the autismcore ship builders because the main gameplay is in the ship designing and testing
>>724315429Well, there isn't really anything out there, is there?Have to put shit in space for there to be anything to do in space.
>>724317224>nasacore>cool grounded plausible science fiction>also you play as space Dovahkiin and can space fus roh dah shit so go collect them space dragon souls>>724317110at least give us skintight bodysuits.
>>724315429>former designer>saar the redeemingSpace isn't boring, it's easily the best open canvas for any game. Starfield, is fucking boring.
>>724315429Starfield is NOT a good game BECAUSE it is boring. Has nothing to do with the setting.
>Starfield Just play No Man's Sky or Spengies you fucking nerd, lmao.
less boring then standard anachronistic fantasy slop.
Brown people cannot into ocean or space (waterless ocean)It's why white men conquered the entire world and were well on their way to conquering space before (((modernity))) took hold and strangled the entire West.
>>724318182Spaniards, Italians and Russians are not white. Neither are Portuguese.
>>724318337>Jewish seething immediately
>>724318482>Ummm.... jew Typical brownoid nigger response.
>>724315429Then don't make a space game?
>>724315429Maybe don't make space boring then
space isn't boring, you are. nobody wants to do anything cool in space anymore. just compare what lego was doing in the 90's:>space (general star trek shit)>blacktron (same idea except they're bad guys)>space police (self explanatory)>m-tron (a more slice of life aspect, either a rescue team or a mining team depending on which region's lore you look at)>ice planet (exploratory team trying to scout out a, well, ice planet)>spyrius (FUCKING SPACE SPIES)>UFOs (straight up aliens)>Insectoids (more aliens but they're cool bug guys now)>think I might be forgetting someto what they do these days, it's pretty much just space shuttles and maybe a green guy or two. they had a dedicated space theme last year and even then, with slightly more interesting spaceships, it was basically just a City subtheme with the most exciting space aspect being some purple crystals they were mining.
>>724315429No, this is just a former Bethesda employee coping hard. Space games can be fun, it's just that Starfield is a shitass game.
>>724319052Mods =/= a good game or even worth spending money on. Kys for enabling Todd.
>>724315429That's not a space game.
Starfield was boring because of frequent and lengthy loading screens every few minutes. Other than that it was pretty standard bethesda gamefallout 4.5 in a new skint. actually played starfield
Star citizen is fun as fuck. I'm actually glad I supported them with about $6k over the years, they're the only company actually making something new. >inb4 angry teens who've never played it and just parrot kotaku articles
>>724315429Exploring space is either going to be boring or incredibly unrealistic. Can still be fun if it's just going to points of interest like Mass Effect. Problem is Starfield has a dogshit boring main story. They can't pass it off as just "space boring."
>>724315429Space games are as boring as you make them.Friendly reminder that Saarfield has a quest where you can release an untested microbiome across the universe, if you choose not to, every companion hates you because you don't "trust the science". Saarfield writers are so bad that they wrote a covid analogy but made releasing the virus the good option.
>>724315776Why does God need to test us if he already knows the answer because he's omniscient?
>>724315429If space games are so boring then why do i have 2k hours in X4?
>>724321252Predestination is heresy
>>724315429yeah
>>724315429Space can have anything in it. And you as a designer chose to put nothing in it.
>>724315429space flight sims got away with it since they were mostly combat focused where you needed all the 'empty' space to avoid projectiles and outmaneuver other ships.but once you let players explore space, they are boring shit. from starfield to star citizen. the only interesting things in those games occurs at the designated spots by designers, everything else has nothing happening.
>>724315776>god created entire observable universe just for this specific tiny rock in this specific tiny galaxy!>just for ME ME MEEEEEChristcucks, lmao.
>>724315429It's not that hard to rip off Cowboy Bebop. Some driving and shooting in different planets, moons and asteroids while hunting outlaws and some spaceship fights. That's all it takes. No need to be a starborn
>>724318337>Mouro hands typed this
>>724321252Wants to see if you will surprise Him and do contrary to what He already expects you'll do.
>>724315429Daily reminder that Bethesda managed to do planet exploration worse than Mass Effect 1.Genuinely embarrassing.
>>724321672Where are the aliens, schizo? Have you ever been to space? Didn't think so.
What I want from a spacegame is Sid Meyers Pirates! with space shanties with ships ranging from small 3 man cutters to massive battleships taking hundreds of men to crew. As a stretch goal modifiable ships so I can just bolt on random shit to it.
>>724322186Where is the heaven and hell, you triple schizo.
>>724315429But Super Mario Galaxy is fun, maybe don't make space about machines all the time, you can make anything
>>724315429Starfield made space boring, which is a huge achievement.Making space a "not a problem" sucks all the fun out of it.
>>724322493Come to my house and I'll show (You) :^)
>>724315776space isn't real in the first place so if you're making a game about it why not make it fun and interesting
>>724315776>Humans have only been doing anything serious in space for a couple centuries, only being sending probes out for a few decades, and constantly peering into the distant past in telescopes>WAAHHHH THERE'S NO ALIUMS ANYWHERE IN THIS GIGA-HUGE ENDLESS FIELDS OF STARS! BECAUSE I SAID SO!
>>724315429space games are only boring to third world nigger retards (aka all of africa) because none of them have the brain capacity to comprehend anything further than a 10 foot radius around them
>>724315429Any realistic space games will be super boring.
>>724315429what he means to say is that space is inherently enormous and the human mind has a hard time grasping it. we think of space as the ocean and planets as islands, but the scales are completely offgood, competent designers and writers recognizing this and design their game to save players from themselves. the bad designers instead lean into it and try to trick themselves into thinking that the players can - and even *want* to - do their job for them
>>724322929>Posts a drawing instead of a photo of the Milkyway galaxyHMMMMMMMMMMM... Didn't bother to read your greentext bullshit btw
>>724315429Plains are inherently boring. Just a lot of grass. The ocean is inherently boring. Just a lot of water.Oh, you could add things to them? No, sorry, they're just boring.
>>724322929>Artists conception of the Milkway HMMMMMMMMM....
>It's not my fault, the premise is just boring!lol
>can make anything you can imagine space to be>aim for NASApunk>do nothing with it except lolhumans in space, earf is ded>no fucking aliens although it's easy as hell do create random races for the sake of a space RPGI wonder why it's so boring.
>>724315429What a load of crap.It's fiction, a videogame, the scope of it 100% depends on them alone. THEY chose what to do with space, it's not>game is boring because space is boringit's>game is boring because we made it boring
>>724315429No. Todd is just a retard.
>>724319052I remember when I first started playing Skyrim after hearing about how great the mods were, and then when I actually started fucking around I found that all those 'amazing mods' were just giving all the women blimp tits and dicks, or bloated texture packs. Almost nothing that actually changed the game to make it better other than bugfix packs.
>>724322929the most rational path to alien discovery is them discovering us, because the universe is so old and we're so young and presumably any other culture is much older and more advancedthat's the part that is worrying. it implies 4 things, each of which is troubling in its own way:- that technology to explore the stars, even at reduced sub-light speeds, is not feasible or capped in some way- that aliens exist but are purposefully not contacting us and hiding their existence- that despite the age of the universe we're somehow among the first to reach this stage- that there's nobody else
>>724323040Not really. The only thing that needs to be changed is distances and time acceleration. And not making it procedurally generated. Make there be a point to getting out there in space and worth the effort.
>>724322929>Artists rendition Where's the photo? Oh, that's right... It doesn't exist because it's all guesswork.
No, Bethesda's formula is fucking boring and they should've realised it after Skyrim and FO4
>>724315429mass effect wasn't boring, they're just coping hard because they failed to make a interesting space game
>Can have O'Neill cylinders>Can have von Braun wheels>Can have cloud cities in dense atmosphere planets>Can have abandoned colonies infested with machines of all shapes and sizes>Can have planets ruled by psychotic biocultists creating flesh abominatios>Can have Jurassic Park planets>Planets that are mostly carbon or iron or something else exoticDon't need aliens. Don't need to step away from "realism" too much. Just set it a thousand years into the future so there would have been ample time for some of these colonies to go schizo, turn into some nightmare and collapse into a setpiece for the player to exploreThis one was Todd's to fumble and well, he did.
That's like saying>the medieval age is boringor>the seven seas are boring
>>724323418>because the universe is so old and we're so youngNo, we're at the absolute infancy of the universe. 15 billions years old when suns routinely last 10 billions years. We're literally generation 2 of 100,000,000+ in the history of the universe.And that's important because life can only begins at the absolute earliest around a gen 2+ star. We're inside a universe that haven't even left his craddle.
>>724322826>pedo madGo back to molesting kids at church.
>>724315776Why did god make an infinite universe with trillions of worlds if he only wanted us to use the earth
>>724323462>>724323138>>724323216good example of how hard humans have it at grasping spacethey want a clear, crisp, birds-eye view of a structure that is 588,000,000,000,000,000 miles in diameter and they don't get why that's something that is difficultwe're too myopic as a species
>>724323728>PedoAhhh, now he's projecting. Please, do come over so I can blow (You)r head off.
>>724323657They say that life actually doesn't have that much time on a universal scale.100 billion years from now and it likely won't be able to form anymore, or something.
>>724323390maybe check somewhere other than loverslab?
>>724315429>lets make sure our game is as sterile and boring as possible, but also have it feature space magic bullshit to make sure people understand it's not an attempt at hard sci-fi>absolutely no exotic planets, aliens, artefacts, colorful characters or adventure. Exploring different empty desert fields is enough.>but also don't create any relatable human interactions or relationships the player cares about>oh yeah I almost forgot, the gimmick should be that you have a built-in new game+, because people will clearly want to play this over and over again!Starfield is an insane concept
>>724323418All alien civilizations have to have survived the jeeteing so they dont want to talk to us because they dont want to go through that again
>>724323854we just don't see the right wavelengths.
>>724323867>christcuck>anything but a pedoLol.
>>724323854>Discipline that basically requires physical, visible evidence just to keep going>Ummm... it's just not possible to get physical, visible evidence of that, so we just have to make it up! >But YOU'RE definitely still the retard here though!HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
>>724323854>588,000,000,000,000,000 miles in diameter How'd you get that number? Who measured it?
I just want space games to stop being like star wars aka ww2 planes in space and start being more mature. Not a simulator, but it's not too much to ask for orbits, velocities, thrusting in various directions to change your projected path, visual range being rare, huge distances, dark and lonely.
>>724323923What few mods try to change the game in any meaningful way are just putting sprinkles on a turd. Once you bite in, you can still taste the shitty center.
>>724324132All of that is in Starfield
>>724323728>brings up sex with children out of nowhere
>>724324132Unfortunately unless you are making a sim that's not something the average player finds engaging or funDogfights and naval battles are the way space combat is portrayed in media for a reason, because they realized realistic space combat would be boringThe Expanse is an outlier in actually illustrating maneuvering and positioning in space combat and it still has unrealistic, naval battle style slugfests
>mass effect 1 and 2 were ass, former bethesda diversity hire says
Daggerfall's procgen was creating more alien architecture back in the 90s than modern Bethshitsda can put in an actual space game today. Starfield needed AGGRESSIVE procgen, instead it had 5 Points of Interest spammed over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
>>724315776This brainlet believes in his skydaddy fairytale but denies the existence of Aliens.You Americans are so fucking retarded it's unbearable.
Starfield VR when?VR with mods is the only way I can tolerate Bethesda games now, after Skyrim and FO4VR
>>724324407>out of nowhereAhahahahahahaha
>>724324271fair enough
>>724323418It could be something like how Star Ocean TTEOT dealt with it. Maybe a Underdeveloped Planet Preservation Pact "UP3" is in order to keep lesser non-space faring civilizations out of the loop.
>try to mod in porn to make starfield more interesting>no one makes mods and porn mods apparently died between skyrim and now??>have a bad time >Download a game thats fun without porn mods>enjoy
>>724315429Starfield is a poor man's No Man's Sky. They should have stuck to a single solar system with a few planets.
Post your favourite Starsector's ship build
>>724324529>realistic space combat would be boringNTA, I don't necessarily want realistic space combat but I want realistic space mechanics. By that I mean that I'm perfectly happy with a game handwaving away heat, giving ships shields and whatever else fun tech they think of.
>>724315429No.You can tell an interesting story about anything.Life is interesting.Going to the grocery store and bumping into a weird person is interesting.Space should be easy.Its a skill issue.
>>724324529>that's not something the average player finds engaging or funThey CAN find it fun. It's only that any "real" scifi is the minority like you say, and vastly outnumbered by the childish starwars clones. It's not like if every game was with a rocket orbiting around Mars slinging torpedoes at other spacecraft all the players would whine "wahhh this sucks, I just want to fly ww2 planes and dogfight other ww2 planes! change all your games back to that! wahhh!"
>>724324790Don't have any on hand but I fucking love the way carriers play in Starsector. Haulers converted into speedy pocket carriers.
>>724324132https://store.steampowered.com/app/380110/In_The_Black/For your perusal, sir
>>724324683wow only .6 percent, they really are the chosen people who would definitely never abuse people sexually.BTW do NOT google Harvey Weinstein or who owns the majority of pornography companies.
>>724324683>jews have a ritual where they actually suck a baby's dick called metzizah b'peh>these are not recorded as rape or molestationDid IDF outsource their internet defense battalion to India?
Space isn’t boring but I have personally thought about this fundamental problem with space simulators. Stellar objects are very interesting but the space between them is as empty as empty can be. It’s different from trucking sims that require you to interact with traffic, a flight simulator less so but still has interesting landscapes to look at, hell even a sailing simulator could have storms and high waves. Space? NOTHING. All the interaction occurs at the start and end of your journey which accounts for 0.1% of it.Pirates? Sure. Aliens? Sure. Danger is easy, but pirate danger isn’t “space” in the same way the danger of a black hole is “space”. What can make interstellar travel interesting without skipping it entirely?
>>724324982>Harvey WeinsteinHe did keep the ugly bitches out of Hollywood though...
>>724324903hmmm, that does look intriguing. Gonna try out the demo
>>724315429Are 4chan threads inherently retarded?
>>72432365715 billion years is a very long time for a structure that is constantly expanding, which is ultimately what's going to be the problemwe're past middle age in terms of a universe that can support life. said another way, there are 5 'eras' of the universe, we're in the 2nd, which is also the last one that matters for us because everything after this is just a bunch of stellar corpses forever cooling off
>>724325174Yes, next question.
>>724315776>muh godgrow up
>>724325095>a sailing simulator could have storms and high waves. Space? NOTHING.Imagination issue. Space is full of dark objects and high energy dust clouds that would shred your ship traveling through them in your choice of FTL. Yes space is large but that just means your ship has to move at a rate proportional to that size. What if your FTL method is extremely dependent on being away from gravity wells so that traveling at full speed would require you to avoid even the extremely weak fields stars have a lightyear out?
the concept of starfield is pretty cool but they completely butchered it
>>724324025Aliens exist because there is nothing special about humans. There cannot be anything special about humans. We're as special as rocks.
>>724315429>says former designerWell, I mean, you guys made it boring on purpose, for some reason.
>>724324025>Discipline that basically requires physical, visible evidence just to keep goingwhy would you think this? of all the science disciplines, astronomy is the one that has been FAMOUSLY possible to calculate using nothing but math. you had people many thousands of years ago making accurate and correct calculations about the sizes, mass, and speeds of celestial bodies just by measuring the time and frequency of eclipses you're not dumber than a stinky pre-historic Iraqi... are you?
>>724315429walking in a field is inherently boring, design the game better
>>724315429Shmups aren't
>>724325631Then pray tell... where are they?
>>724322929>life is so rare that the vast space between us means for all intents and purposes we are completely alone>if we do miraculously find another civilization>cant communicate, takes 69,420 years per message>cant travel, takes 900,000,420 years to get thereOmg life is so abundant!
>>724315429Yes, they are. Any intresting space setting is only interesting becuase they shoe horned in fantasy tropes or mythology.This is why space sci-fi settings are bad but fantasy sci-fi is good.
>>724324132We've had games that do that since 1993 (Elite 2: Frontier)People stopped doing it because they realized it actually fucking sucksEven the biggest realism autist gives up after staring at black nothing for 5 hours
You can tell todd and co were thinking "its ok they will mod it to a 10/10" during development
>>724315776retarded bait
>>724325843Somewhere we can't reach. As the other guy pointed out, we haven't explored even on trillionth of space. That's like trying to make statements about the contents of Pacific Ocean after tasting one drop of it.
>>724325425>Imagination issue.That's not the case at all. What makes space scary and all the stuff out there so interesting is how little of anything there is. There is so much nothing finding even gas(farts) in space is seen as some amazing scientific break through. And for gamers a majority of which would be disappointed they couldn't kill most of these discoveries and a small minority would be mad they couldn't fuck those discoveries and even the nerds who like space would get bored their game is just a fancy abstract art viewer. You need the nothing of space to make things that much more insignificant. It's why Earth is a big deal but in sci fi every other planet and it's nine moons are habitable so interstellar travel and planet discovery are taken for granted and no different from stepping in shit on the side walk. Most space sims their gameplay turns into a fucking job and most "rewards" are just upgrades for your ship or tools to avoid gameplay.
>>724325935They absolutely did. "The customers will fix our shit for free so we don't have to put in the work" has been their intentional strategy for decades. And it seems like it's finally stopped working, they made a game that sucks so much the modders don't want to bother with it.Hopefully this means Elder Scrolls 6 is less awful though I won't be holding my breath.
>>724323535>A blanet isa hypothetical planet that orbits a black hole, coined by researchers at Kagoshima University.Blanets are similar to other planets, but form around supermassive black holes in extreme conditions.They have enough mass to be rounded by gravity, but not enough to trigger thermonuclear fusion and become stars.
>>724315429Hard sci-fi tends to be boring unless you go all in on the human drama (which often means limiting the scope). Which is why hard sci-fi is so uncommon in genre fiction. Starfield tried to do large scope hard-ish sci-fi and didn’t seem that interested in making characters people would give a shit about. So yeah.
>>724315429Somehow I think it would have been better as a void instead of having those the 2 / 3 societies out there.
>>724320697>6kThe resl issue is how they're breaking everything while adding almost nothing, or are you going to pretend the current patch isn't a BIG FUCKING MESS
>>724315429It was his fucking job to make it interesting.What a fucking faggot.>>724316229What missed is at last trace of ancient civilization.Ruins, building, maybe some archeological research quests.What a waste.
>>724326047>There is so much nothing finding even gas(farts) in space is seen as some amazing scientific break throughyeah because we're stuck on earth without FTL. There are countless boring little spits of land in the ocean that have barely even gotten a name but ships have to navigate around them anyways. The point of moving fast (a necessity for games to not take decades) is that you see more of space and its oddities. No one finds it interesting when a seachart is updated to include a new tiny island with nothing of worth on it, just as no one will find a system with a few mercuries and a super jupiter interesting but they should both still exist as places in a game to populate it.
>>724320697No possible videogame is worth $6000. For that much money they'd need to give you the Star Trek Holodeck.
>>724315429Space isn't boring. Starfield just has no gameplay ideas because programming them is too hard or something. >>724325095>Space? NOTHING.Putting radiation aside, that nothing is in itself something. Spaceships need to have not just radiation shielding but also heating, breathable air, food, enough power to not just generate thrust to speed up but also to slow down, computers to aid navigation and precise maneuvering etc. And a lot of that still applies when you land on a planet or a moon or an asteroid, there may be no atmosphere or magnetosphere or anything to moderate the temperature. Or maybe there is an atmosphere but the pressure is higher than on Earth or the wind speeds are insane. Starfield's idea of space is incredibly boring because it's not space, it's SCENERY.
>>724326260Mods put blackholes and wormholes in Kerbal Space Program. They're so damn cool
>>724326020>We just don't know Uh-huh. As I expected.
>>724315429no, but they don't know how to make themyou can make some Space Opera type of game, like Mass Effect with a group of humans/ayy lmaos travel through space while trying to save the Galaxy from somethingautism simulator like Stellaris/X4 foundationshorror games in space can be Kino like Alien Isolation"Lovecraft" space games like Dead Space where you fight horrors and beings beyond reasons and logicbase building in space like Dyson Sphere ProgramYou're npc/brown if you don't get space exploration
>>724326703>yeah because we're stuck on earth without FTL.And people said the same thing about boats and planes and now the mystic mysteries of the orient are just dog eating and the spiritual scenery of india are literal piles of garage soaked in diarrhea. If you make space travel in a game instant or quick it'll just be hopping from planet to planet looking for bigger boobed aliens or "oh hey this planet reminds me of Balooga prime in the Toby Galaxy except with two suns!(and their local wildlife was less fuckable!)". Anything that can be imagined especially with the vastness of space turns into "I wonder when I'll find the next one of these" and the inevitable "can I fuck it?"
>>724315429Sounds more like some faggy cope to me. These developers just aren't making good ones. Every time we have had good sci-fi games or ideas some faggot (usually a publisher) comes to fuck it all up.
>>724315429>former designer
>>724315776>GodGrow up.
>>724315429>Sarfield>Space game
>>724328053*buuurp* grow up morty worse you’re smart
>>724327182We know they exist because we exist, and there is absolutely nothing special about humans.
>>724315429Next up: "Elder Scrolls 6 is a good game, sword and sorcery fantasy is just inherently boring".
>>724315429>Starfield is boringIsn't that what that white fat fuck complained about (and pronouns) back when Starfield came out? That it was just fucking boring?I guess he was right after all.
>>724328747Is this some kind of autistic tick? How come we've literally never found life anywhere else in the solar system mister memester? How come we've literally never detected anything anywhere else even close by or even relatively far out if something like us is "nothing special"? You're fucking delusional.
>>724329948No one on Earth has every drilled deeper than the Earth's crust. Prove there is a molten core at the center of the planet. Prove it's not hollow.
>>724315429>make a space rpg>no intelligent alien speciesWere they stupid?
>>724331421>Prove to me that my uncle ever fucked and came inside my asshole because there's no cum in there so how could you ever tell!?Considered killing yourself.
Cowboy Bebop and Space Dandy proved that space was in fact not boring. Make a space bounty hunter game so we can all be space cowboys. Stupid fucking devs.
>>724325004>always thought the jews eating foreskin thing was just some silly joke >turns out it's true and they suck the baby's bloodI think it's time we took a stand and culled religious people out of society entirely. Imagine a world where the middle east wasn't constantly ravaged by 2 groups of retards fighting over which spaghetti monster in the sky is real. Imagine a world without pearl clutching lunatics trying to censor everything. Hell if we have to do some religion, just go with the Japanese way of "everything has a soul and there is a house god and a god of shoes and god of sidewalks" type shit.
>>724331684I will accept your concession you are a dumbass and can't even prove you are capable of a basic hypothetical thought experiment you absolute retard.
>>724331421Uhhh.... because molten lava comes out of the ground? Because volcanoes exist?
>>724331421Prove to me there's NEVER been ANY semen inside your asshole. You literally cannot.
>Space is inherently boringOuter Wilds is the greatest videogames of all time
>>724332632How do you know it's not like a human or living organism with just veins of lava and theres a giant weird metal heart pumping it through the Earth and occasionally out of volcanoes? By your logic all those observations of aliens are proof. I have never seen a volcano. I've seen videos of volcanoes. I've also seen videos of alleged aliens. Does that make them real?
>>724332710I actually can. I was born without an ass hole and empty my bowels through a tube in my stomach. Any reason you're thinking about other anons getting creampied in the ass? How would your father and mother feel if you were asking about the state of cum in another man's ass hole?
>>724332814>>>How do you know it's not like a human or living organism with just veins of lava and theres a giant weird metal heart pumping it through the Earth and occasionally out of volcanoes? Because it's thoroughly observable that we live in a thoroughly mundane universe where wacky shit like that literally never happens ever?
>>724315429Starfield isn't a good game and it would still be shit if they put it in another setting. There is literally nothing good about Starfield.
>>724332901Hmmm.... I don't believe you.
>>724333019>that literally never happens ever?So if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to see it the tree never existed?
>>724333083Are you disappointed I ruined your gay fantasy?
>>724332901>ManWhoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... WHOA there... I never once implied you were a MAN. Little bitch baby boy maybe but MAN? Let's not take things THAT far anon!
>>724328747lol anon you are accidentally recreating Fermi's Paradox. The fact that humans aren't special, that the conditions for life are plentiful throughout our galaxy and the universe at large, is precisely why it's so utterly implausible that we wouldn't encounter oneBecause discovering aliens isn't like Where's Waldo where there's a single, small thing purposefully hiding. There should be tens or even hundreds of thousands of planets that support life in our local cluster. The majority would orbiting stars as old or older than ours, meaning it's highly likely their technology would be much higher than ours. If they're like us than presumably they're also exploring space and looking for other life too, and they've likely had a much, much longer head startAnd yet there's been nothing, not even the smallest hint that there's life elsewhere. that's why it's a paradox. the probability of life is so high, but there's been nothing. so again: where is everyone? what are we missing?
>>724333102It does in fact make a sound, correct.
>>724315429No
>>724333169>now he's arguing biologyListen tranny we were referring biological males. You will never be man. I was born one. Go be a faggot somewhere else. We are talking about space and volcanoes not your pseudo science homosexuality.
>>724331781Starfield has a whole bounty hunter thing, it's just half-baked like everything else in the game.
you newfag niggers have never played freelancer and it showsand the dev, too.freelancer shits all over starfield, elite, star citizen and no mans sky combined, and it's like a fucking 700mb download. Modern devs are incompetent, sorry to break it to you
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>>724333232In the vacuum of space?
>>724331421Prove this post isn’t a bad dream you’re having.
>>724323854you really expected logic or rationality from abrahamics? also take that spacing elsewhere niggerfaggot
>>724333453I just pinched myself. Check mate.
>>724333427Freelancer is so uninterested in space that it's insulting
>>724333549That’s evidence not proof doe
>>724333181Fermi Paradox vastly overestimates the likelihood of intelligent life capable of making tools on a suitable planet.
>>724333579Evidence is proof
>>724333362You are NOT a man. Child maybe, MANCHILD most definitely but Man? Nah.>Trannies mentioned O B S E S S E D
>>724333445
>>724315429It's a fucking videogame, videogames are only as boring as the devs choose.
>>724315429You can do literally anything with space as a setting. Not being able to come up with anything beyond skyrim with space guns is a mindboggling lack of creativity.
>>724333445There are no trees in your vacuum anon.
>>724333641Bet you dont even know how to fix your car's engine.
>>724333631>O B S E S S E DVery clearly judging by how you keep harping on something unrelated to the conversation after bringing it up
>>724333641I've never really thought about this. Why doesn't the vacuum of space suck the atmosphere away?
>>724315776TPBP, there is nothing beyond The Firmament
>>724329948It’s fermisissy cope>life assembled itself for no reason like a boltzbrain randomly>uhhh no chuddie it’s not impossible it’s just really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really unlikely >but it totally happened twice because it happened once
>>724333801Gravity. ALLEGEDLY according to these people claiming since they can't observe aliens they must not exist... despite other people claiming to observe them.
>>724324529>realized realistic space combat would be boringBelieving that meme stupidly without ever challenging it is why you only buy "safe" games, and no studio try anything new.Following realism to the letter, you can end up with space boarding action where everyone fight with melee weapons to avoid creating debris that at orbital speed are the equivalent of a storm raining anti-tank projectiles.Doing the same inside to not have bullet hit some highly inflammable You could have an Assassin's Creed like game in a O'neill rotating space-colonies where you sometime climb tower straight into the 0 gravity area, flying with plain electric propellers and gliding at high speed to 1G area. Simply using politic or AI-troubles plot to remove big-brother level oversightYou could fight on the surface of the moon with artillery-system and counter-artillery capable of perfect counter thanks to vacuum, but no guided-projectile because no-air to glide, and carrying any mass up is extremely costly.Want spaceship warfare?Afraid it will be boring?Tell me, would you shoot a spaceship that's on a collision course with the incredibly-costly lunar elevator or space docks?Nope, you know they want to capture it, so you let them slow down, close enough to see the reflection of their helmetBoth side will be shooting slow "cannon-ball" projectiles that are actually robot meant to safely take controls of critical systems. No one will be relying solelly on post-human level AIs because keeping control of them is scary difficult, any forgotten password, any left open port and they turn enemy.In an orbital dance your space-fighter will 0G zigzag between ships to disable systems hidden behind robotic shield.You will have far better than plain explosion, you will have simulated explosion-like explosion meant for situational awareness.Anyway.People should just be more creative than "why does my WWII-battleship in space lose to missile spam?"
>>724333617No it isn’t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scTiS94PbLUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-uJBhDARjQskill issue honestly
>>724333876>want realism>describes the most unrealistic ignorant concepts everSpace combat is gonna be drones doing math at quantum speeds to calculate shooting other drones in space with rail guns or lasers. It would be the most boring shit ever. I appreciate your imagination but realism? Grow up.
>>724315429you have terrible reading comprehension. it says space is not space games. can you not understand the difference
>>724333868Sounds insane to me
>>724333941I have evidence I came in your mother. It's your dna test. Is that not proof you're a bastard?
>>724315429Space is so cool I wish there was more space stuff. Even fantasy RPGs constantly used to put that stuff in until boring faggots who wanted muh grounded worldbuilding showed up. Wizardry, Ultima, Might & Magic, Final Fantasy, they all had it.
>>724333872>GravityNo such thing.
>>724324790>Post your favourite Starsector's ship buildpic is very old but I love making this 360° also have 360° point-defense with (now) stronger synergy in the frontal facing weapons. Not counting the large missile launcher
>>724333872I thought it was the ozone layer or something that held the air in?
>>724329948No, it's just inherently correct. It's the starting point of my thoughts and it should be the starting point of yours. Nothing is special in all that exists, ergo sapient life is not special, ergo there are more sapient beings somewhere. Where? Doesn't matter, I know they exist because nothing is special, and "nothing is special" is the beginning of all truths. There are no chosen people in real life.
>>724334005https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndromethis is what he's talking about and why it's a bad idea to blow stuff up in space. hence how realism could lead to space fighting where people try to kill each other without blowing stuff up
>>724315429With how they keep elevating that excuse about how it is never the fault of the shit they made, soon we'll hit>It's a "good game", says former designer, but "no one is interested in video games anymore"
>>724334260This is some of the dumbest shit I've read here in a loooong time. Congratulations.
>>724334260I'm apparently not talking to anyone sapient here.
>>724334080I have evidence you’re a faggot. It’s your 4chan post history. Evidence is proof so you’re now a faggot. Are you trying to get out of jury duty or something
>>724334306Im gonna be real, if technology ever reaches a point where space battles are possible space debris will be a solved problem. Being able to destroy millions of incomping micro projectiles is like a baseline requirement for space warfare.
>>724320697this is the first good year scam citizen has had since its inception and it is still overpromise/underdeliver dogshit.
>>724333801>I've never really thought about thisGlad I could open your eyes.
>>724334306>blow stuff up in spacedude you are really the unimaginative one now. They'd shoot them with pinpoint accuracy of hypersonic projectiles that aren't exploding upon impact. It would be disabling shots. >thinking idiots are gonna care about shit blowing up in space anywaysDo you know what they do when they decommission space stations and satellites? These aren't going to be habitable space stations. Merely drones in space preventing anything from getting within thousands of miles of certain territory. Interstellar travel for humans realistically will never exist. It's just going to be expensive roombas trying to vacuum up whatever resources to shoot back in our direction for other drones to shoot each other over. Plus indians. If they get in space in large numbers they're gonna fill all of space with trash. Only you are considering human life aboard things in space that should be unmanned.
Why do I insist on still coming to this site, whenever I think it can’t get worse it always does.
>space game subject>immediately turns into argument about religionGod thinks about you the same way your parents do.An unfortunate side effect of a fun idea that he now has to live with and pretend to care about.
>>724334560>It’s your 4chan post historyProve they're even my IP you dumb nigger. Check mate. You've brought up gay shit and keep trying to insist I'm gay to the point it just seems like wishful thinking on your part.
>>724324529>because they realized realistic space combat would be boringYep it's indeed hard to move your arms quickly under water.
Space would've been white if not for christfags.
>>724334942It doesn’t matter. Evidence is proof. I admit the evidence that you are capable of making the posts. It is now proven.
>>724335080>Evidence is proofExactly what I said here >>724333617 I appreciate you acknowledging I'm right.
I want reaction emojis for posts on 4chan so I can clown react all of your stupid, retarded dogshit posts and opinions.
>>724335195We now agree that you are a faggot. Thanks for playing.
>>724335231>We now agree that you are a faggot.Well now you live in another reality. We never agreed upon that as much as you wish it to be true and even if it was you think you'd have a chance with me? You merely repeated what I said which is indeed fact. Evidence is proof. The only evidence of anyone's sexuality here is yours you turbo faggot. As much as you cry and wish I am not gay.
>>724335401>You merely repeated what I saidYes, exactly, I used what you said to prove you are a faggot and you were like>YES THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT IM SAYING!Congratulations. You win, faggot.
>>724315429>Space is boring>Ignores the genre that is sci-fiHmm...maybe the problem with starfiled is the people who made it
>>724333559t. never played freelancer
>Shit game comes out>Everyone involved says it was a shit idea and nobody liked it right after the negative feedbackWhat do you think the team meetings were like?
>>724335519>evidence is proof>YEP YOU'RE A HOMOSEXUALWhat reality do you live in? Is up down to you? Does yes mean no and male mean female? You drew that conclusion after making the subject about your wishful fantasies and then act like it's reality? People like you go in the mass grave with furries and footfags.
>>724335567>>Space is boringSo boring the artist got bored photoshopping half way through.
>>724335567>space is boring>star wars is about space not wizards and lazers>star trek is about space not the politics and interspecies politics and it's attempt to navigate these hypotheticals>valerian was about space and not an excuse to see rihanna and that "model" who looks like a little boy with catterpillars for eyebrows dress up in weird costumesI don't think you know what you're talking about.
>>724335834>You have evidence, not proof.>Evidence is proof.>Evidence is proof, I have evidence you are a faggot, it is proven you are a faggot.>Thats correct. That is what I said. I affirm this. I am right.>You are a proven faggot.>No. I am very angry.
>>724335987>this anon badly wants another anon to be gay
>>724333584Nah if anything he vastly underestimated things. The paradox in fact began as an in-joke of sorts, as during his time the science was revealing that the conditions needed for life were a lot less strict than people believed, and Fermi would quip "so where are they?"As of 2020 we believe there are ~4,000,000,000 G-class stars (sun-like) in our Milky Way. If only 1% of those contain a planet in the so-called goldilocks zone, that gives us 40,000,000 candidatesBut now we know that K-class stars might actually be far superior at supporting life than G, and there are nearly twice as more of them then G-class in our galaxy. So our extremely conservative candidate list grows to ~120,000,000 planets. Again, that's assuming only 1% meet the criteria, when the number from our own observations is likely closer to 10%.Even if we limit our search to systems within 100-150ly away - in other words, planets that are so close that they'd be able to observe and react to human activity "quickly" - we're looking at hundreds of thousands of possible planets that are practically right next door.These numbers are insane, and they discount M-class stars - by far the most common, nearly 75% of the galaxy - which we believe can support life but would be rarer, or would look much more different than our models expect.Life should be incredibly abundant. But it's not. Why?
>>724336093>But it's not. Why?Prove it
>>724315429https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKuNFfy_q8E
>>724336080>anon wants to be right so badly on the anonymous website he’ll admit to being a faggotCouldn’t be me
>>724336175done, check your PMs
>>724336093You realize it's still a major accomplishment when a space agency actually detects a planet an another star system, right? Exoplanets get the fancy name because, right now, despite being aware they should exist everywhere they're still incredibly hard to actually find. The data we have of planets beyond the solar system is basically 0, we do not have enough information to comment on how common life actually is beyond the fact there's apparently no intelligent life nearby as we would probably, maybe, be able to detect those kinds of signatures more easily.
>>724336393>can't count his own postsgay and retarded what a shame>>724336093>ignore all those(thousands) of claims of alien abduction and sightings
>>724315776>We're alone in the universe.3I/Atlus did NOT just hear you say that
>non comfy space thread Lame
>>724336753It's a rock.
>>724323138>>724323216How the fuck are you gonna get a photo of the milky way galaxy from that angle? Do you realize how far away your camera would need to be to get that shot? We can take photos of other galaxies from that angle because they are far away. We can take photos of the milky way from within it, but they won't look like that. The only way to depict our galaxy in its entirety is an artist's interpretation based on what we know about our galaxy and pictures of other similar ones.
>>724336575>can't count his own postsMy posts: Expertly uses your own rhetoric against you Rick Sanchez badass style to definitively prove you are a faggot against your own standard, logic carpet bombing you so hard you end up literally saying “Yes, I am a faggot” in your retarded confusionYour posts: >NOU!!!!! YOU DESERVE TO *sniff* DIEEE!!!! FUCK YOUU!! WAAHHAHA MOMMY
>>724334005You are the one who don't understand anything, yet subconsciously just defend lazy meme of sea/air warfare in space.The kind of people who cannot imagine one step further in what BOTH side being able to instant kill each other mean in terms of actually surviving it, nor even comprehend the concept of "hybrid warfare".My brand of imagination is the equivalent of Ukraine use of microdrone, which I can honestly say I predicted years before. I knew we had no easy means of jamming/shooting down such weapons.You are bored simply because you brainwash yourself into thinking anything but <mainstream meme> is boring.
>>724336872>The only way to do it is make it up and lie!HMMMMMMMMMMM...
>>724336875>Expertlyexpertly retarded>literally saying “Yes, I am a faggot”Either you don't know what literally means or you are imagining things like the gay fantasies you keep trying to force onto other anons in this thread>>NOU!!!!! YOU DESERVE TO *sniff* DIEEE!!!! FUCK YOUU!! WAAHHAHA MOMMYare you just writing fanfiction now?
>>724337224>You are bored simply because you brainwash yourself into thinking anything but <mainstream meme> is boring.You literally used all the mainstream examples of science FICTION to describe what you think REALITY should be and projected your stupid lack of original thoughts onto me. There is a reason you aren't an engineer retard.
>make a shit game>claim that entire genre is just shit and it's not your faultBethesda completely lacks self awareness I see
>>724315429Earth is just forests and deserts and oceans and shit. It's inherently boring.
>>724315429>>724337435what was actually said by the person in the article>realistic space and its travel is boring, there aint shit out there, starfield didnt fail because of no realtime space travel but because all the ground gameplay being full of samey, unrealized shit that didnt deliver on bethesda's core thing theyve been delivering for years what people in this thread think was said>space is a boring dogshit setting and no space games are good
>>724315776Early Elite: Dangerous didn't have aliens either.Didn't even have planet exploration. Just stars, space and space stations.It was still more interesting and fun than Space Skyrim
>>724337308>expertly retardedExpert mega hyper genius of badassery>Either you don't know what literallyYou literally virtually exactly accepted a standard that proved you were a faggot to win the premise. This means you literally said, “I win because I am a faggot”. >are you just writing fanfiction now?Sorry, I was being too charitable.
>>724315776poopjeets are evidence to there being no god
>>724322102It’s impossible to surprise an omnipotent god.
>>724323138>>724323216>>724323462> We can't put a camera 5 quadrillion miles away from our galaxy so space is fake.These are the people you're arguing with.
>>724337994All me by the way.
>>724315429Space isn't inherently boring if you DON'T FUCKING MAKE IT REAL SCALE YOU FUCKING INBRED RETARDS.Space games are shit because they're made by people who've barely played any space games.
>>724323390>never played Vicn's modsNgmi. Vigilant and Glenmoril have better writing than anything Bethesda has ever released, Morrowind included. Beyond Reach is also pretty good. I admit the core of Skyrim is pretty shit but if you don't like it that much just play Enderal which is Skyrim but good.
>>724315429Outer Wilds was funKerbal Space Program was funFucking around in Universe Sandbox is fun
That space thread was fun
>>724315429Procedurally generated crap is too boring. Plus load screens every 5 minutes is terrible game design.
Their problem was that they didn't make a space RPG. They made a fucking fallout copy in space. The difference is that you can't roleplay anything that would actually be fun in a space setting.>no space pirate>no space soldier>no space dictator>no space trader>no space explorer>no space minerno fucking nothing. You are "the chosen one" on your fucking shit quest and that's it.
>>724321252It’s more fun that way.
>>724338486It's Todd's dream gameAnd that means it's an infinite procedurally generated map with identical locations that you unlock dragon shouts fromAnd the game keeps looping so you can play it infinitely
>>724325419>>724328053>GaytheistGrow up
>>724315776there's a lot of humans vs human sci-fi settings out there that are good
>>724321252>already>answeryou have a limited understanding of omniscience
>>724338954Name fifteen. And no anime or manga properties allowed.
>>724334839>They'd shoot them with pinpoint accuracy of hypersonic projectiles that aren't exploding upon impact. It would be disabling shots.You don't understand the basics of orbital physics.Do you know why we say "shoot something DOWN"? That's because in atmosphere anything broken slow and crash due to gravity.Space debris aren't slowed by atmosphere and are already under the full effect of gravity maintaining their orbits.To stop such debris you'd need guns that magically grab and slow every single bits of those debris by the equivalent of what fully-functional rocket propulsion have trouble to do. No one have yet to even imagine an effective laser broom, not even with laser.>It's just going to be expensive roombas trying to vacuum upFirst, I laugh at your idea of vacuuming... a vacuum.Second, you are incapable of imagining the cost in propulsion of matching orbit with anything, manned or not.And we might as well finish with the fact that unless your drones are sentient and taking human-level decision, you'll have lag in every single action you undertake unless you learn to send people up there to control or order around the remotes.
>>724338486Aren't half of these questlines already in the game
>>724315776i want to fuck god so hard he makes another flood from pleasure, just picture him with my cock deep into his throat after raping his asshole makes me so hard
>>724325819>ShmupsSounds jewish.
>>724339054>Do you know why we say "shoot something DOWN"?Lol this nigger thinks he meant literally. No shit it's all relative retard. And those computers would be programmed to factor that in. Again jack ass what do you think happens to satellites and space stations when they are decommissioned? You're one of those autists getting caught up on literal definitions. No we aren't putting rockets on vacuums and telling them to go out and collect rocks in space. Are you purposefully being dumb or genuinely think that's what was meant?
>>724315429star wars made space interesting, why couldn't starfield?
>>724334561If by "solved problem" you mean "we won't let that happen and treat any projectile like Mutually Assured Destruction" then yes.>Being able to destroy millions of incomping micro projectiles is like a baseline requirement for space warfare.Creation billions of nano side projectiles still capable of destroying your space infrastructure.That's the equivalent of saying nukes are a solved problem because in theory you have a bunker that will survive them.
>>724339089Hey guys that faggot is really trying to get your attention now since his first boyfriend in the thread realized he was just trolling.
>>724315429>devs can't make good games anymore because the spark of promethian wisdom at the heart of all human endeavor is absent in their cold, dead soul.Colour me shocked.
>>724315429>hiring people who hate or have no passion for the subject matterAh yes, I love western media.
Make starfield again but with alien qts you can romanceMass effect was shit btw
>>724339532you can join, he has two holes after all
>>724337424You clearly didn't read the post or are too dumb to understand metaphors.I bet you didn't even understand why it is bad to shoot/disable a warship that's already coming on an interception trajectory with your space station.I can probably school you on everything you believe to be "real warfare".
>>724340028>making up hypotheticals to strawmanI wouldn't have fucking space stations manned with people. And they'd have the kinda ai to detect and move out of the way of oncoming debris if they count outright shoot it. Are you retarded? Can you not fathom small mass drones that can change their trajectory on a microseconds notice and doesn't have to worry about whiplash of it's human occupants?
>>724322929https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Jx6CSYzjKd4?feature=share
>>724315776>God’s ultimate test is seeing if his followers are willing to accept that he built a entire city just for one guy
>>724315429>space is inherently boringThis is essentially them admitting they can't do anything interesting with space, which many other people have succeeded in doing before.
>>724340601>Lean not on your own understanding>My ways are not your waysIt's all right there in the text.
>>724315429No, it's just the usual cope when your product fails miserably. You have to be insane to even have this kindof thought process when so much amazing media set in space exists.It's the "tbf, the entire franchise/series sucked, so..." excuse, but worded differently
>>724316229It does, they're just not the little green men or sexable kind
>>724315429Everything is boring in reality. Medieval life is boring. War is boring. Charting new lands is boring.That's why fiction cuts out the boring parts and makes everything else more spectacular.
>>724340713>they can't do anything interesting with spaceNigger the only thing you can do with space is fill it. Space is literally nothing. It's the lack of something. Space games are boring because they have too much space and not enough other shit to fill said space. It's like when a woman calls an empty apartment boring but then theirs is filled with a bunch of shit you may not like. Well there is space in there but a bunch of shit you don't like yet someone else does. Is her apartment objectively shitty? No. Just like Jupiter isn't objectively bad just because we can't live there and since we can't live there what could be interesting about it? Now theres a billion jupiters and e girl apartments out there. After seeing one I don't need to see the others or travel all the emptiness inbetween to see the others while hoping I actually see something of note inbetween. When you call a game a space game you're calling it an empty game hoping everything else not always associated with space makes it fun.
>>724339089*tips fedora*
>>724341332Not reading all that. You're wrong though.
Starfield is its own problem, but space games are not boring. However it depends on what kind of space game you want as to what you';ll personally enjoy. Some people just want the setting and exploration so you have No Man's Sky / Starbound style survival crafting, , some people want aliens and all sorts of Star Trek / Mass Effect style shit going on, some want quasi-realism and simulation of game systems and mechanics in depth (X4, Evochron, Underspace do this well on a single player level, and only Freelancer and especially Star Citizen come even close to it on a multiplayer level, especially the latter). So "Space" isn't boring but as always its what you do there.
>>724339457>Lol this nigger thinks he meant literally.Actually, you are either too dumb to understand how it deconstruct mock your/anon's arguments, or you are disingenuous and trying to deflect with insult>computer will solve that!At this point you pretty much pray for an omniscient techno-god, which, if it existed, would prevent the war in the first place.Computer don't make shrapnel disappear or give warship infinite ammo to shoot infinitely smaller space debris.>Again jack ass what do you think happens to satellites and space stations when they are decommissioned?The vast majority don't have enough propellant to deorbit themselves and will remains for several centuries up there. Those who can can still take decades unless they are on the lowest orbit imaginable.You talk of space station as if what we can assemble today will remain any comparable to anything we would call a decent space future. I'm ready for you to bargain we will never do better than a few "Starship" just to save face.I bet you didn't even deduce that the heavier an object is, the longer it will take for its orbit to degrade.>No we aren't putting rockets on vacuums and telling them to go out and collect rocks in spaceAnd then you accuse me of being dumb on purpose.The point you'd understand if you weren't looking for a way out, is that orbital dynamic do offer easy way to "vacuum up" debris or projectiles alike.
>>724341227>that pic>not the sexable kindYou lack imagination. Everything is fuckable. Even a couch.
>>724341429>can't be arsed to read a small paragraph even a redditor or tiktok addled adhd teen could readCan you define the word space with all that empty space in your head?
>>724341272So why don't people just play those kind of games instead of sitting around whining about Starfield all day? Literally the one time a game tries to come as close to giving you as much of a realistic space experience as possible and people still continue to seethe about it for over 2 years now.
When you make large space exploration games that actually involve exploring planets and not just ships and stations, it's always a problem. Look at how NMS does it. Planets with the same 5 resources and then procgen demons and a landscape that looks like a trash bin was emptied over it. Look at Elite Dangerous. Land on their planets and you get realistic flat nothingness. So fill it up or don't, it takes a particular approach to get space exploration right.
>>724315776And this is why sci-fi/mecha is dying. Zoomers don't know how to dream anymore.
>>724341227I don't care what people say about Starfield. It has the largest number of and most varied amount of feral aliens in any game that isn't making them with procgen.
>>724321672The scary part is our existence is so small on the universal timescale, there's probably been billions of alien civilizations that have lived and died and we missed out on them and by the time our species goes extinct the next 4000 ayylmaos will appear and we won't be around to have fun with them because of how ungodly long everything takes to developeWe where fucked from the start because we can't live 10000+ years
>>724315429Imagine Your a scientist and you discover a transmission from an alien civilization, you take the time to decode it but in the meantime the transmissionsource is snuffed out dead, upon decoding the message you realize it is a single sentence, a terrified warningWhat did it say?
>>724339043>Name fifteen. And no anime or manga properties allowed.thats a stupid arbitration but LOGH is a originally a novel series
>>724321368>believing god is all knowing is heresy
>>724341531>At this point you pretty much pray for an omniscient techno-god, which, if it existed, would prevent the war in the first place.>Computer don't make shrapnel disappear or give warship infinite ammo to shoot infinitely smaller space debris.this nigger doesn't know about autopilot planes already have, unmanned planes, or gyroscopes>The vast majority don't have enough propellant to deorbit themselves and will remains for several centuries up there. Those who can can still take decades unless they are on the lowest orbit imaginable.and what happens after that time? Do they blow them up or just let them crash and burn? Either way sounds awfully irresponsible eh? Yet that's the standard fucking procedure dumbass. I love how you actively avoided the question while admitting you're wrong too "hurr durr they just leave rogue debris up there the thing I was trying to use as an argument against earlier hurr durr it's different!" I'm ready for you to bargain we will never do better than a few "Starship" just to save face.I bet you didn't even deduce that the heavier an object is, the longer it will take for its orbit to degrade.Ah now you have to create a strawman. I never said that nor implied it. Just stated unmanned robots will be more realistic in every way from a cost and moral issue. Yeah maybe one day humans will travel to jupiter or another galaxy but you fucking wont retard. And before they do they will send unmanned drones to scope the place out and clean it up. AND no I don't mean literally sweep and vacuum but to make it safe and "clean" it of any potential hazards.
>>724315429>space is inheretly boring>when one of the most popular and influential pieces of media take place in fucking spaceok shitterlmaofucking retard
>>724323418-Space is that fucking big that we haven't been discovered yet
>>724341429maybe since you're retarded this anon>>724341768 put it a little more simple and eloquent for you
>>724341970It breeds inside the core.
>>724342128Not reading any of that either
>>724342101what about this story is cool though? the emptiness of space between planets or the wizards and lazer swords in said space?
>>724341970An alien shitpost made by alien teens that wanted to troll the developing blue ball that is strictly forbidden to make contact with
>>724342101>Space :(>Hyperspace :O
>>724315776The only people I would believe about aliens are astronauts, most of them has had strange encounters and phenomena while out in space. Some of them have even seen fucking angels out there. This is also one of the best examples of something being out there that is just hiding: >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox6BtwDmm3c
>>724342141The sexy kind?
>>724342101I think the context is realistic space since Starfield is nasapunk and made with help from Nasa. You can make anything fantasy like star wars.
>>724320697On the off chance you've actually opted to pledge that much you could be part of the solution by advocating for non-shitty monetization and keeping to their old promises, rather than letting the zoomers take control and turn it into a gacha with ship colors, streamer bait exclusivity, and not seeing anything wrong with that. One of the things that made it so unique back in the day when everyone else was crowdfunding >Pay 10K and you get this super ship or fancy castle or special sword nobody else will ever see againThey went the other way and said that anything people pledge for, both ships and ESPECIALLY cosmetics, will be acquired in game by playing the goddamn thing (a few exceptions for like..physically going to convention widgets that fcome with tickets, skins for early backers like Record Breaker Skin and like 1% of other stuff). The biggest worry over the years is this will get degenerated to let in more and more exclusivity, and big spenders are the ones to stand against this demanding that the game should be for the average backer, not for whales - thats the only future it has and why its different than every garbage gatcha or item mall MMO out there from a monetization standpoint . Hope you're on the right side, anon.
>>724328053>GodlessGrow up.
>>724342208No, nobody gives a shit about hard scifi, that shit's boring just like how a super realistic medieval book would be boring as shit, what you want to read about someone getting diaherrea for a week straight and marching through the mud and rain?The point of space games is the massive size and expanse, 40k would not be the same if it was all contained to one planet
>>724315429>make game about sailing >all you do is travel a barren ocean, preform fetch quests, and walk around uninhabited islands>”welp I guess the ocean is inherently boring”How about you actually make a engaging game you retarded hacks
>>724342195That's why you won't ever go to space(or be anything of note). You can't listen or even fathom the ideas of people smarter than you.
>>724342285At first. It actually phases into godless horror one second after post nut clarity. Then you lose.
>>724328747There is something special about humans and its consciousness. How does it form, and where does it go when you die? We know for a fact that everyone who has had a near death experience, they are still conscious even after their bodies have shut off.
>>724342384No one's gone to space for decades>but what aboutOrbit doesn't count.
>>724340262Having people aboard or keeping the drone themselves working at this point are completely irrelevant. The space station is hypothetically something you need, it cannot dodge the wreck of a spaceship let alone space debris, and likely couldn't survive them unless you make it as massive as a literal moon."Small drones" cannot have infinite ammo, nor propellants, assuming they even get a propulsion system that's both efficient & high-thrust.All you'll get is an unmanned space-station starting a kessler effect destroying every reason you had to be there, while your drones dodge until they run out of propellant.You are so focused on small stuff you like to see fight in fiction, that you miss the big picture that fiction so often neglect.
>>724342208>>724342263>>724342310Same with Dune, or the Xeelee Sequence, the Foundation novels or any other GOOD scifi novel that takes place in spaceIMO if you want a good space book that isn't overly fantastical 2001 is probably the best there is but that shit is just a single dude on a space craft going insane and interacting with ayys
>>724342352>No, nobody gives a shit about hard scifi, that shit's boringNTA but I think most people need to admit this. It's retarded how many arguments ultimately is someone not admitting this.
>>724315429Seems a bit reductive. If you tried to say that with any other setting you'd be mocked. If you don't fill your setting with stuff to do, it will probably suck. I will say space exploration games tend to be pretty boring, but I know autists who love that shit so perhaps it's just me. Personally give me something like Zone of the Enders where it's about people and cool mecha and space is just a backdrop. I care about observing a pulsar in the depths of deep space about as much as I care about checking out the massive redwoods in California. It's a tourist spot, not gameplay.
>>724342101lol Star Wars isn't about exploring space though, it's about faction wars and mysticism, much of which takes place on planets or within a single area of space where there's a bunch of pew pewing going on. If it involved heavy amounts of cruising through the black sea and examining celestial bodies and minerals, people would of course get bored of it.
>>724315429sorry you didn't pass the iq threshold to experience the feeling of being immersed. probably no inner monologue as well
>>724323138>”I can’t see the entirety of the earth from my house therefore everywhere outside my immediate sight is fake and gay”
>>724342101>star wars being the idealization of space media>basically is the same scale as any other film that would take place on earth.The infinity of space is boring and lackluster because all devs can do is make procedurally generated bullshit. It would just be scifi minecraft at best.Games like FTL and Mass Effect 1/2 do well because space is just a backdrop. You're not actually exploring the depths of space.
>>724342554Exactly. 2001, Alien. These directly inspired Starfield but Starfield had to stretch it all out across part of a galaxy. It just didn't pan out the same.
>>724342352So you admit it's not about space but what you can put in it? 40k isn't about space. There just happen to be spaceships that are a means of getting to the next story. Is schindler's list a gun movie because some jews got shot? Is planet of the apes a horse movie because they used horses in one scene? Most of 40k never even takes place in space. It's not a space story. Who even thinks of it like that? Space is the last thing on people's mind when they think of warhammer. Space is literally emptiness. Gta isn't an ocean game or road game because sometimes you traverse roads and water. 40k is not a space game and much like start wars isn't scifi but fantasy.
>Can't even make a game based off the Hyperion novel.How is it possible that this series has never been adapted into a movie nor a videogame at least?
I played Starfield enough to get all the achievements for it on gamepassI enjoyed parts of it but 99% of the game was boring filler
>>724315429Outer Wilds is a billion times better than Starslop, you simply have to make the game not dogshit but Bethesda can't get it into their heads that games don't need to be the size of the real world Earth to sell
>doesn’t include ayys or any fun sci fi shit due to being “unrealistic”>doesn’t include any of the MANY challenges space travel provides due to “potentially filtering the normies”Then why the fuck did they even make a space game. Either make a grounded space survival sim or actually make Skyrim in space, don’t just take the most boring aspects of both.
>>724342718Alright I'll give you that, but how the hell can you even define a space game, Is something like Elite: Dangerous or EVE online space games? Because most of your time spent in either games is mining shit or killing people or moving freight around but I'd still consider both of them space games. Can a space game even exist?
>>724315429Yes. Only giganerds like space shit like Star Wars and Star trek, I find it utterly boring. The only "good" space game was Mass Effect, but they cheated by using alien bimbos as coomer bait to keep you playing. As soon as they went woke the franchise died out.
>>724342527>The space station is hypothetically something you need, it cannot dodge the wreck of a spaceship let alone space debris, and likely couldn't survive them unless you make it as massive as a literal moon.The smaller something is the harder it is to hit. Especially if it's capable of moving. Do you think my robot space gun is gonna sit there and let approaching shit hit it? Maybe yours because you can't fathom the basic concept of observing something and moving out of the way but existing ones already are capable of changing their trajectory. >"Small drones" cannot have infinite ammo, nor propellants, assuming they even get a propulsion system that's both efficient & high-thrust.nor do manned space stations jack ass. I just use other drones to re arm them while not wasting space on food for pilots>You talk of space station as if what we can assemble today will remain any comparable to anything we would call a decent space future.you talk as if what we can assemble today will remain any way comparable to anything we can think of in the future. Like drones that could move out of the way of debris or arms other drones? Dumbass.
>>724333441what
>>724342571Hard scifi is best when exploring theoretical in a fanatical universe, basically thought experiments for math autists, but that's never going to be popular or interesting to the masses for obvious reasons real space games should just be a niche for a niche audience, but in Star Fields case it didn't deliver on either fronts because Bethesda is shit
>>724343135They aren't space games. They are simulator games where space is the main setting. >most of your time isn't existing in the space but interacting with stuff in said space whether that space is filled with an ocean or empty space of africa or literal nothingnessSpace has to be the feature or the antagonist in some way I feel for it to be a "space game", Like the old fucking windows screen saver of just flying through pixels resembling stars is more of a space game than anything calling itself a space game. By definition it's just interacting with the space. The emptiness of it not looking for something in that space to interact with.
Starfield's main draw is going to end up being how much people can cram other Sci-fi properties into the game through mods to make it the ultimate crossover.
>>724342684Everything loads into existence as I approach and ceases to exist/be rendered when I leave the area, correct.
zoomers never experienced the height of television and gaming. sad
>>724333268based
>>724315429>a good game>inherently boringisn't that a contradiction?
>>724343392I agree. I think Starfield should've been designed for a niche audience. Todd even said he wanted to make travel more difficult and have more gameplay elements but didn't think the general audience would consider it fun. Bethesda got caught wanting to make the last autistic thing Todd wanted but had to cater to normies.
The problem with Starfield is that the aesthetics of the world try to imply that this is a serious hard sci fi with none of those pesky fantastical aliens, but the actual world building and space travel rules are so contradictory and garbage that is might as well be something magical like Star Wars. It's a game designed for single dads who want to feel smarter than they actually are.
>>724315776>Grow up. We're alone in the universe. This is God's proving ground to see whether you're fit to go to heaven or burn. Nothing more, nothing less.With an attitude like that you deserve to die on this planet.
>>724343496Already got Star Wars, Star Trek, Mass Effect, and Halo stuff in it, with a Dr. Who Tardis mod even on the way
>>724343943>Just TWO more decades before we're totally inhabiting other lifeless rocks dude! We swears!
>>724342037>this nigger doesn't know about autopilot planes already have, unmanned planes, or gyroscopesAgain, none of those make bazillions of debris in orbits disappear or keep them from destroying every other ship/installation that cannot dodge.All of those examples are atmospheric vehicles that, if destroyed, come to a stop, becoming almost inconsequential.>I love how you actively avoided the questionBullshit and I think you know it. I answered the question fully while you are yourself going full personal attack to deflect the fact it's near impossible to clean up bazillions of spaces debris destroying everything, forcing both side in any conflict in taking different approach in order to survive any conflict.>"hurr durr they just leave rogue debris up there the thing I was trying to use as an argument against earlier hurr durr it's different!">And before they do they will send unmanned drones to scope the place out and clean it up"hurr durr they just magically clear debris up there so I don't have to admit that even a robot-robot war will just result in mutually assured destruction"Two can play this game.I suspect you do not even remember the point. You are just desperately trying to look on top to save face.
>>724343560For me Starfield is either really fun or really boring. It forces more reserved builds by not making you god of all skills at level 1 like Skyrim but it also means some functions are blocked off behind leveling. You can do anything at anytime so you can easily play any way you wish at any pace you wish. But a lot of people need guidance or a quest marker. It being hard sci fi really just doesn't line up with the market either. There's still shit they should've improved but the game was destined to burn.
>>724317941been thinking about No Man's Skydoes it have any combat or quest lines attached to it yet, or is it just a walking simulator?
>>724316864>space pirate shantieshttps://youtu.be/UHgu_fBlSjk
>>724344032People like you are the reason we aren't there right now.
>>724344290https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDXfQTD_rgQ
>>724344392>he doesn't want to die for some rocks in the desert at the behest of anotherNgmi bro
>>724344040>Again, none of those make bazillions of debris in orbits disappear or keep them from destroying every other ship/installation that cannot dodge.>All of those examples are atmospheric vehicles that, if destroyed, come to a stop, becoming almost inconsequential.Look up how many satellites are currently in orbit. I don't need to worry about debris in orbit when my drone can move or shoot it into small debris to avoid. Why are you playing stupid? Yeah we can't dodge every asteroid so better just not try? >clean up bazillions of spaces debris destroying everythingWhy would i even bother? You're moving goal posts. This isn't something I need to worry about and if I do its minimal effort to avoid or accept losses with cheap unmanned drones. Literally the whole point. >don't have to admit that even a robot-robot war will just result in mutually assured destructionBecause unlike your limited imagination my drones will destroy your manned stations and whether my drones move out of the way of debris created by killing your retards or not I can spit out ten more drones for the cost it takes getting one of your retards in orbit let alone all the food and shit. I do remember it you seem to forget I answered all your stupid questions you just seem to not accept them. Space is huge. I can dump all the trash I want there and mathematically speaking I will never cross paths with it again>but muh low orbitIt'll be destroyed in orbit. By future tech you can't fathom or by the atmosphere itself like ALL decommissioned satellites or space stations which I thought was common knowledge but apparently not after talking to you.
>>724344449>you will never be a cool space pirate like Captain HarlockFeelsbadman
I just don't get why people care about Mars. You'd have to live in domes and the planet's pretty small tooJust because you theoretically could doesn't mean you should
>>724344228NTA but I've played a bunch of space games including NMS. NMS is alright but it's mindless. Each feature is very shallow and easy to break but there's a lot of them. The game gets very repetitive as most things - from the planetary POIs to the freighters - all look the same. Combat is total shit. The game isn't built for it and most animals don't fight back. Ship combat is alright simply because the ships are fun to drive but dogfighting is batshit easy. Quests are awful and repetitive, especially the intro quest which drags on forever. Most quests you'll be doing is similar to Starfield. Scan X amount of flowers and Kill 15 FloobieFloppers. I play it in bursts and then don't touch it for a year.
>>724344682I will be glad to live my life under the Earth's blue sky and not be stuck on a dead planet without even a magnetic field. Frankly we should be killing people who would destroy this perfect planet before we think about expanding into the void for no real reason but curiosity.
>>724315429>Starflight>Star Control 2>Master Of OrionPeople were making space games a million times better and more interesting than Starfield 35 years ago while working out of a cave with a box of scrap.
>space game>you're just a truck driver AGAIN
>>724318580I noticed you didn't call him a liar or say he was wrong
>>724344682Being one of the early pioneers would be rough. Living there after some infrastructure has been set up could be neat.Mostly it's just the thought that humanity might only ever live on one planet gives me a bit of irrational existential dread. We could be so much more than this.>>724344863This is true too, but we can do both at the same time.
>>724344449https://youtu.be/nzKWbpSNkmk
>>724344682It’s like religion or multiverse theory. Just a way for people to cope that somewhere else they’ll have it better whether another state, another planet, or an afterlife. It’s cope.
>>724343164None of what you said save the space station from a crashing wreck or constantly increasing space debris with kinetic power measured in kiloTNT.Your entire space infrastructure isn't going to be made of small drones and if you cannot prevent its destruction in cascade, you're simply demonstrating that you cannot just have a space war with "drones shooting drones", Just likes you don't start a war with nukes and expect to effortlessly shoot down enemy nukes.It's like you didn't even follow the argument and are just trying to look edgy with "look, I'm not defending manned anything", completely missing the point.
>>724345063>Earth goes full retard and glasses themselves back into the paleolithic>with no main governmental body to pay blood tribute to anymore you are free to move forward as you please
>>724333801It does. Its why we have a helium problem. Its so light that it just floats away.
Hard scifi games are absolutely doable without being boring, just maybe don't try to make some RPG shooter game out of it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INIer7pqc-U
>>724344228The main game has the convoluted main story quest where you go where the quest markers take you, after that it's just the same pitfalls of all these types of space games where you have to find shit to do for yourself. Maybe you'll hunt for an S rank specific type of ship, there are some rare ones out there. Or an S rank freighter, or some other high rarity, low RNG chance thing. Basic mid tier content shit. One positive I will give NMS is they periodically do expedition quests where you go to the online hub location and you can start an instanced quest universe where you do whatever the like 20 quests ask you to do and get rewards. I always do these because I enjoy objectives, and then proceed not to play NMS when those quests are not available.
>>724333801Gravity holds it, magnetic field protects it from being stripped away. It's why I like these crazy conspiracies. It's the perfect chance for people to ask stuff they didn't think about. A lot of people legitimately do not know about all the different cameras used to detect things, for example. So they ask why the footage of the moon landing shows no stars, they get to hear about the type of cameras used to focus only on the brightest objects, like the moon's surface, and how the shutters and aperture were adjusted.
>>724315776>you don't know you're being tested but it's a testIs your god a woman?
>>724345180> Your entire space infrastructure isn't going to be made of small drones and if you cannot prevent its destruction in cascadeI never said it was you god damn fool. Just said most stuff doing the dirty work would be unmanned. You are assuming a lot of shit and trying to argue like these things aren’t considered then refuse to accept the answer for them that’s already been answered not just by me but nasa and other space agencies. You are creating a strawman to go “ya didn’t consider space trash” yes I did you just don’t like the answers because we have to go by your standards and not reality or future possibilities. You even tried the whole “you can’t fathom the tech of manned space travel in the future” then tried to argue “that unmanned tech won’t be able to exist like that in the unknowable future” just shut up you unimaginative retard.
>>724345735That guy is retarded. God is always testing us and pretty much told us our entire existence is a test. He’s just a retard who needs it spelled out constantly
>>724345480>hardsci vidya based around boarding operations>play as a member of the proto Solar Auxila ala Saturnite Confederation>trolling the space lanes for booty during the Long Night having to contend with cultists, hostile xenos, mutants, warp entities, Men of Iron and human factions still vying for independence or conquest
>>724333801Vacuum doesn't suck. Things just spread out in it. If it worked like you think there's no reason the planet wouldn't be torn apart by the suction
>>724344853>>724345491thats a shame. im still searching for that space game to replace Mass Effect with or without the dialogue and characters. Genesis Alpha One was pretty fun, but it got real repetitive thanks for the answers doods
>>724344040>this nigger thinks people will achieve faster than light travel but not figure out how to dodge space trash at faster than light reflects or shoot space trash off at light speed far away in any direction You do lack imagination
>>724333641This is why the church was right to declare the study of air pressure (which would lead to the concept of a vacuum, which can't exist because the absence of anything would mean the absence of God) to be blasphemous and illegal.Researchers who continued to study it, even though they had to make sure their communications written to each other avoided going anywhere near the Vatican so they wouldn't be caught, were wrong. Advancements in engine design just weren't worth it.We should really just go back to the position of the church just prior to that point: Studying natural laws ungodly. Only He chooses how things move.
I looked up the article because I assumed this was clickbait or out of context or something because gamers always freak out about nothing.But he really did mean this. He just thinks space is boring because there's nothing in it (reminder, that literally everything is in space)
>>724334095How birds fly when more dense than air?
>>724334005>Grow upDidn't you get enough (You)s during the opening salvo? Greed is a sin bro and you'd do well to avoid that.
>>724346391>thinking birds are real Ngmi
>>724315776God and aliens are both almost certainly real but also have absolutely no practical significance on my life so it's not worth thinking about either.
>>724346391They puff out and become less dense, like a hot air balloon, and then push themselves around with their wings.
>>724334095Why does this happen though? Your explanation makes as much sense as gravity
>>724346295>Advancements in engine design just weren't worth it.Going by this logic advancements towards mobility via wheeled carts wasn't worth it either. Even after the Yamanya tore ass across the steppe causing a level of wanton devastation enough to warrant a complete genetic divergence. Great way to get yourself strafed if you go any slower than you already are.
>>724346458>changing the subject I will accept your concession.
>>724346391Hollow bones
>>724333801Gravity. Most gases aren't as light or thin as people think. Our atmosphere's Nitrogen-Oxygen mix is pretty dense. Earth's biosphere is also constantly generating further gases to replace whatever gets lost in the upper layers.>If air is dense then why can't I see it?You can, climb to a high location and look towards the horizon, you can see it disappearing into a haze, that's the density of the atmosphere scattering light at those ranges, you don't see it closer up because light is still pretty powerful and shoots right past molecules.
>>724346267>Genesis Alpha One was pretty fun, but it got real repetitiveI heard that was a bitcoin miner or some shit from the few reviews that I from it.
>>724321252God fucked off to go do something else shortly after creating the universeThe ever-present eternally watching God is a meme
>>724346702>being this quick on the drawI accept your confession.
>>724347051>being quick and smarter means you admit defeatWell now you’re just pretending to be stupid. And in the rare event you aren’t that nigger anon do you really think humanity will achieve faster than light travel FOR LIVING things before they figure out self replicating technology? This nigger can imagine humans going the speed that as of now only massless object can travel but can’t imagine a robot that gathers resources and can repair itself and also move at that speed he thinks humans will one day be able to. You can’t say that ain’t stupid.
>>724346956kek, i never heard of that. I got it on Epic Games for free years ago, and it hasn't been updated or even talked about for some years now.
>>724344589>Look up how many satellites are currently in orbitEveryone cooperate with each other just to avoid millions of debris many created with no hostile, or actually destructive intent.Testing ASAT on your own satellite is already considered worse than nuclear test. Attacking GPS satellites would be considered little different from a nuclear attack on a city by its repercussion.>Space is huge. I can dump all the trash I want there and mathematically speaking I will never cross paths with it againCertainly not around Earth and not in any orbit of importances, with rare exception, and the only thing that can "dodge" is the small drones you are desperately bringing up in loop like a broken automaton, to avoid admitting you'd lose everything else that actually matter.>By future tech you can't fathom>"future magic will fix it"Nice "imagination". You can posture all you want, I don't think you are fooling anyone but yourself now.If weapon evolution demonstrated anything is that offense win over defense. So the point is, a space war would easily destroy everyone's space infrastructure by the sheer amount of debris, and so the only way to wage one and survive it will be to avoid debris and pointless destruction, even if it get as crazy as >>724333876
>>724322929>Belieing that "space" is real a lotkwab
>>724347427>if we cut the submarine cables and shoot down a bunch of satellites, we'll never have to deal with india againSmall price to pay
>>724347427>get as crazy as thisYeah maybe of uncivilized Indians get in space. We aren’t going for crazy. We are going for realistic. Which considers what is smart first and foremost. Drones are the future. There’s already drones cleaning up the ocean why do you think there wouldn’t be drones in space cleaning up the space debris around important point and recycling it? Maybe the drones are so pinpoint in accuracy that they just disable them with projectiles or… just maybe just maybe radio signals and jamming equipment? That ever cross your fucking mind? Or hacking and next think ya know a simple repair with collected space debris or even as simple as a software update and that space debris is flying off somewhere else or cleaning itself up. This is simple and basic and robots already do this kinda shit to a degree at factories and recycling plants. This basic simple already in practice concepts didn’t even cross your mind yet you think somehow faster than light travel is even possible for human travel?
>>724315429space games is fucking cool, my obsession with space started in ~2008 with the OG orbiter game and continued later in ~2013 with KSPOver the years I somehow managed not to fry my dopamine receptors and I'm currently enjoying picrel in coop right nowI unironically basedjack every time I find something interesting which isnt alot honestly in this game, so I catalog it in-game and bring my friend over to take a look at it as well
>>724348058What's your opinion on Starfield?
>>724348145I never played it and never intend to do so
>>724348247
>>724348247That's a sentiment I can agree with.
>>724345880You are the one who argued since the beginning as if you could deal with any amount/nature of space debris with your magical dodging drones.All I have done is point out you will never be able to protect your entire infrastructure, even from mere debris, and the physical near impossibility of cleaning up.If I see someone who get angry with the fact here it's you. We literally have a name for the concept of cascading destruction in orbits destroying everything and yet you keep pretending it will magically become a non-problem.>ou even tried the whole “you can’t fathom the tech of manned space travel in the future”Might be confusing me with someone else here, just search who is using "fathom" here or believe that space future "possibilities" will fix everything up, staying vague an evasive on how it's supposed to do so.Your unmanned tech would either break physics by their clean-up requirement, or the AI act like a techno-god to magically intercept every micro debris ever.You are the lazy ass who can't imagine more than drones, drones, drones....I'm the guy who can imagine us having space boarding action simply as a side-effect of being desperate to avoid debris.
>>724340262>outright shoot itWhat's that going to do? You've still got the same mass hurtling towards you, even if you break it into smaller pieces
>>724349273>faggot has drones on the brainHe might be a member of the internet defense force since that's the paradigm shift that they're trying to push. No cool lasers and railguns for you.
>>724347839>>724347973>Mentions Indians out of nowhereYou will submit to Vishnu one day, will probably not be when you're alive but you will.
>>724338973I don't know, it seems like you're the one putting limitation on Him.
>>724323854>>724336872>>724337994>>724342684>won't post actual photos>claim THIS is what it actually looks like based on faggot artist interpretationAll crap responses. I love looking at stars whenever possible, but come the fuck on if you truly believe everything nasa shits out to the internet as fact. Looking through a telescope yourself is as real as it gets. Or if you're paid by redbull to do the highest jump
I like how they blame the universe for not having any creative ideas
>>724349394>You will submit to Vishnu one dayI thought you were slaves to the Abrahamic? Your gods are meant to serve the superior like the Aryans of yesteryear.
>>724349447Developers will do literally ANYTHING but self reflect
>>724315429>It's a good game, but it's a bad game (and thats a good thing)
>>724349273>your entire infrastructureI never claimed I’d protect it all once again you assume despite me numerous times talking about how space debris takes care of itself or the cheapness of the drones and not worrying about human life on board when they’re destroyed. Why do you think I brought up cheaper numerous times? I don’t intend to save every fucking penny and nickle or each robot. So loss would be factored in by some Jews on a board of Jews for managing resource. You are just stupid and making assumptions based on your small world view. I didn’t think I’d have to spell it out or were you moving goal posts trying to say “well you won’t be able to protect all of it!” Well I wasn’t planning on it retard hence removing the human factor. So I don’t have to worry about explaining every aspect of logistics and the minutia of it all to retards like you. Because in my scenario you are the only problem. Space debris and junk ain’t. And your stupid ass has cried “well future space magic won’t solve your problems” while at one point trying to argue eventually we will do actual fucking magic faster than light travel. All my concepts are possible. You have no idea how to get there let alone the ramifications and concepts needed to maintain your unrealistic(despite us trying to argue realistic) Star Wars fantasy tier idea of the future.
>>724349381I want laser and rail guns but the Jews are using drones and you fight fire with fire. I honestly am gonna lol at the vids of you idiots shitting your space suits looking like stupid drunk Slavs getting blown up on camera by fucking toys in Eastern Europe as we speak. We aren’t arguing what’s fun. We are arguing realistic. And that’s realistically the future. And space games aren’t fucking fun. Nor is reality.
>>724334731you can literally see the craters and the shadows cast by them with simple 30 yuro binoculars
I'm pretty sure earth is underwater and we got it wrong
>>724350607the periodic table of the elements proves you wrong.
>>724350798No, like the actual whole ass planet is submerged. and the atmosphere is just a fish bowl basically keeping the "water" out
>>724350607You will never live under the firmament
>>724349943You have never once explained how shooting something is supposed to stop it. Anything moving towards your orbital station, or space elevator, or asteroid mining outpost, or space shipyard is absolutely fucked as soon as someone decides to send a city sized hunk of metal towards it. I don't know why you're stuck on this drone issue. An enemy attack isn't going to be targeting drones
>>724347973>racist slurr>yet you think somehow faster than light travel is even possible for human travel?This was never brought up or anywhere close to the topic. I have never defended that point, interstellar was never the point.You are pretty much answering an imaginary indian living rent free your head.I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you just completely missed the point and went off road with a wrong understanding.It's not about the existence of drones with any degree of intelligence.It's about space warfare being so incredibly destructive, with projectile/debris overwhelming any PD or cleaning you could decently imagine before reaching magical shield, that any battle in space will become mutually assured destruction.Unless we get actually creative in our expectation of the future and consider "space war" in a way more akin to a LCS deploying small combat unit or performing surgical strike, than akin to LoGH except with unmanned everything.As for realism:>There’s already drones cleaning up the ocean why do you think there wouldn’t be drones in space cleaning up the space debris around important point and recycling it?Cost-efficiency.Even assuming space future with generous source of propellant, on a trajectory that's easy to intercept/match, you cannot send drones to grab every single equivalent of a screw. While such debris would easily travel fast enough to traverse anything but a crazy armored space station.>ust maybe just maybe radio signals and jamming equipment?Jamming debris? Or did you suddenly moved to anti-drone warfare?>Or hacking and next think ya know a simple repair with collected space debrisAgain, not seeing Also that level of recycling/reuse is reaching Santa-Claus machine level.>or even as simple as a software update and that space debris is flying off somewhere else or cleaning itself up...it's like you are going for self-replicating nanogoo in space.
>>724315429starsector is fun
>>724351330https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxtBddvwshQHell yeah
>falling for the flat earth jewish psyopGood cattle.
>A plaque on the bridge declares this ship class to be the result of "Project Ziggurat". It appears to be built on technology created in a Tri-Tachyon prototype lab unknown to the Persean Sector at-large. In addition to advanced conventional loadout, there are certain one-off components of exotic manufacture - it is possible to reverse-engineer undamaged examples and produce replacements, but the underlying operating principles do not resemble any known Domain technology and thus remain a mystery.>The Ziggurat-class ship once had a human crew; or, at least, was intended to be crewed by humans. No sign of them remains as physical evidence or in databanks. Even the cleanest Hegemony warship will have some initials and a rude word or two about the CO scratched behind a maintenance hatch. Here, nothing. I genuinely didn't believe a game in this style could unnerve me, but it did.
>>724351465Cool it with the antisemitic rhetoric!
>>724351097I never said I’d stop it you god damn moron. I said I’d fucking move outta the way. It’s like you didn’t even fucking read.
>>724349943All I'm seeing is that you are shifting from "my drone will defend against everything" to "I'll just have enough station everywhere to not care about loss".First:>trying to argue eventually we will do actual fucking magic faster than light travel.NEVER, at any point in our discussion, did I ever bring up FTL bullshit. From the very start all my arguments stand without going further than the moon, and would still stand on a Jupiter moon. Just in case, I also never brought up human for any "superiority" against machine. Only as "someone gives order" or any other human reason to be in space.Next,The topic since the very start (which the other anon seem to have followed) is about space war being so destructive you'll lose entire station just trying to shoot down a warship coming at it (with interception trajectory) because even disabling it, you'd have to somehow alter its ballistic trajectory as it is still going to impact you, all without creating billions of debris that will still destroy whatever you were protecting.This kind of "out of the box" thinking, with everyone being afraid of creating debris, is what give you realistic opportunity to have boarding actions.With attacker ship seeking to just control the station for political reason.With defender knowing it's suicidal to destroy the ship then lose the station to its wreck,Attacker preparing their weapons to infiltrate, hack, disable and face a billion type of AI & anti-AI based warfare.Both side preparing melee weapons to not shoot holes in the fragile interior of a pressurized station.All the above is credible with realistic technologies and don't require god-level anti-projectile/debris system, nor drone with ridiculously debris stopping/recycling capabilities.
Honestly Starsector with a beefy enough mod suite has everything I could ever dream of for a space game. The base game is already substantial enough to eat up multiple weeks of just regular play if I want to, but then you can just add any kind of sci-fi/science fantasy genre nonsense as you please. >Galaxy-wide warfare mod>Space police mod (complete with arrests, corrupt asshole cops, and missions to unearth or punish the corrupt ones) >Multiple giant swarms of otherworldly horrors, in both abyssal horror variant, giant insect variant, and reptilian variants>Several factions that just exist as a different business interest in space (Mining, large-scale research and construction, paradise vacation worlds, etc.) that interact with their neighbors and other relevant business interests >Many of these mods even have little secrets and easter eggs that also interact with other factions and factional interests>Core factions have submods that add lesser factions, ships, worlds with specific infrastructure, unique items, so-on>Straight-up lifted factions from other IPs and anime mods if you want that real out-of-character flavor boost for funsies>A whole swathe of QoL, graphical overhaul, and other mini-mods that just make things neaterAnd the best part is that other than one specific schizophrenic retard who put malware into his mod, they all work together extremely well. I can't imagine a space game coming close to this, but the notion that you cannot make a space game without it being inherently boring is just a lack of vision or a lack of effort or both.
>>724315429No, they just went out of their way to make it as boring as possible.>should we have sapient aliens?No, humans only. No humans with cybernetic enhancements, genetic modifications, or mutations from living on other planets either. Just give me a slice of a random American inner city and expand that out to the entire universe.>should we have a handful of planets with large, handcrafted playable areas?No, randomly generate everything outside of the few locations we deign to handcraft. Also instead of procedurally generating POIs make them draw from a limited number of prefabs. Also, make those prefabs leveled so it's common for people to run into the same prefabs a lot between levels, to the point where some people will have identical structures (down to the placement of sandwiches and notes) within visible distance of each other.>well what about the advanced technology our players get to use?No, give them spaceships and guns and settlements from Fallout 4, but even more pointless. Nothing visually cool or interesting either; we need to make things fit the NASA aesthetic and the guns have to look retarded.>wait, what about the abandoned mechs we designed for-Those are illegal. Giving random assholes starships with missiles and lasers is a-okay to the governments in our game, but mecha are so verboten that not even the space pirates will use them. But don't worry, we'll give the players a dune buggy a year after launch.Like for fuck's sake. You don't necessarily need to include those things in your game, but you can't have your cake and eat it too by dangling them in front of the player and then saying "but you can't use them". Starfield HAS genetic modifcations, cybernetics, mechs, etc. in the game and in the lore, but you can't use them. It's retarded, and after a certain point you just have to believe that they deliberately avoided having anything cool in their setting on purpose.
>>724351234> t's about space warfare being so incredibly destructive, with projectile/debris overwhelming any PD or cleaning youThis was never the argument. I understand it is and factored in losses in my plan. You are moving goal posts. This thread was about realistic space combat being fun or realistic space games in general being fun.
I don't want to that guy who advertize YT channel, but he does tell everything you need to know about ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acqpulP1hLoJust one thing: now hyperspace is much more fun to travel into and there's more than [REDACTED]
>>72435392360thpbp
>>724315429>>724315776Because you need compress a entire planet in a manageable size.Starfield´s planets are a flat space of one km2The Outer Wilds has planets with a diameter of 100 meters and orbits of few minutes
>>724354292>tfw the code still worksYour previous description is making me want to install this again. If only to play a spess game that isn't stuck in the EA salt mines.
>>724353923>they deliberately avoided having anything cool in their setting on purpose.The obvious answer to every single core facet of this game's failings is quite literally this. And the reason for doing so was because Bethesda is great at making modder workshops and playgrounds, while being genuinely some of the worst in the industry at making actual games. If Starfield launched with the Creation Kit and spent resources trying to get early assets to prolific modders in the Skyrim scene, they could have easily done as little as they did in the base game and had all of their lobotomite consumers do all of the rest of the work for them for $Free.00. The issue is specifically that they were tangling with the idea of only supporting mods if they can find a way to monetize them and turn this absolutely free wellspring of external resources into a revenue stream, and when they came to the conclusion that they can't make people happy if they privatize it, they instead decided to make the Creation Kit a low-priority attribute instead and release it nearly a full year later. Now nobody who was initially interested in its potential is willing to redownload the game for pitiful color swaps and different colored rocks, and it's too late to appeal to people who already weren't interested in the first place. Corporate competency at its finest.
>>724315776>christfag hates funnot big surprise
>>724315429No, Mario did it well>inb4 doesn't count Takes place in space, don't care
>>724354196It was always part of the arguments since it demonstrate how the most realistic attention to avoiding destroying everything lead to fun boarding actions & melee combat.Following the quotechain I suppose you are still this drone-loving anon >>724334005 incapable of recognizing in >>724333876 the equivalent of IRL small-scale literal conflict with opportunities for asymmetrical warfare and colony infiltration.While with your "realistic" concept is repeating drone in loop, overlook that you'd still lose your infrastructure and so you literally realistically wage a war this way without mutually assured destruction.Seek a better excuse.
>>724354540I'm not the guy who wrote the big chunk earlier>>tfw the code still worksSurprising, I heard it didn't, then again, I bought this obviously good game.>install this again>againWhy would you ever deprive yourself of fun.
>>724355686underspace?
>>724355890>Why would you ever deprive yourself of fun.I couldn't get my head around it. Same thing happened with Space Haven.
>>724356016>I couldn't get my head around itI admit it is kinda tricky until you get used to it and get good at balancing your fleet.>Space HavenI bought it, hoped for a Rimworld in space (long before Rimworld did in fact reach space)From all the updates it certainly changed significantly since I've last played it.I'll have to retry it someday.But if I started diving into the game I would certain just return to Rimworld instead.
>>724352141You're going to need a fuck ton of thrust to move a God damn space station out of the path of a city. And good luck moving your fixed facilities
>>724349442You are not an intelligent person.
>>724354196>factored in lossesEverything that gets targeted is a loss under your plan
Only if you're brown like >>724315776.
>>724358070How long does the new expedition take, I haven't started yet.
>>724322929You’ll seethe about the burden of proof being on the religious yet genuinely believe the universe is full of alien life with absolutely 0 (zero!) evidenceThe hypocrisy is absurd
>>724358102https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=134-0HvY6TM
It's nice that we're still getting regular threads every about starfield even 2 years later.
>>724315776Quiet, brown
>>724342101Most of star wars happens on a desert junk planet .
>>724321252>Why do people keep playing RE4 even though they already beat it multiple times and know all the secrets inside out?
>>724315429Starfield is a “bad game,” and space is inherently fun.
>>724318182Very true
>>724358785I beat starfox 64 over 55 times as a kid, sometimes in under 30 minutes I did it because I wanted to learn every inch of game and enjoyed having total mastery of it
>>724315429Space? Yes.Fantasy shit in space? No, very fun.
I just want all of you retards to know we already have had a missile defense system in space literally called project Star Wars to deal with incoming outbound threats whether missiles or meteors or whatever.So >muh fixed infrastructure I just fucking destroy the object into tiny pieces that break up in the atmosphere or I hit the big ones with enough force to change their trajectory. Basic fucking math. You guys are god damn retards. Especially in the future with technological advancements.
>>724315429no. any setting can be compelling if given to good creatives.Star Wars games handle the setting quite well. Star Wars Squadrons, Empire at War, even the Atari arcade game went pretty hard.
>>724360189>atmosphere>implying>hit the big ones with enough forceI don't think you have a very good understanding of physics
>>724360189>incoming outbound¿Que?
>>724343496remind me again, what does deanna troi ever do for the whole show besides ordering milkshakes?
>>724315776>t. abrahamic brownoid slave
>>724315776monotheism was a mistake
>>724315776Masterful bait. Look at all those seething replies.
