So I finished it because you guys told me it's kino and it kinda is if you ignore all dull repetitive bullshit (the whole story should unravel in one walkthrough and should take 10 hours max). And I'll be honest I've never heard so touching soundtrack, who ever composed those songs is a fucking genius (unlike cocksucker Taro)I have one question though. Do I really have to watch hours of explanation? Like is it worth it?
I don't know man, she's kinda boring and her whole character is basically "badass woman with naked ass that shouts slurs every now and then"
>>724331689Lemme guess:you only finished the Ending A ?>do I really need to watch hours of explanation?No. But you do need to play Drakengard + Nier Automata. And FINISH the Replicant.
>>724331892>Ending AYeah you're right
>>7243316896 hours of video or needing to play 7-8 games (Drakengard 1, Nier, Nier Automata, FFXIV ARR, Heavensward, Stormblood and Shadowbringers to do the nier raid series and maybe the mobile game? I dunno how important that is), reading Grimoire Nier, watching or reading the automata stage play and probably more I'm missing. but that's if you really want to know EVERYTHING though going by the description of that video it also covers every Drakengard game, which is not needed to understand the whole Nier timeline as the games split off from one another after Drakengard 1. >>724331843it's called Kaine's story but it's just the post timeskip stuff repeated, but you're given more context for the shades and can understand what they say because Kaine can. at least that's how it was in the original, I have not played the remake so I'm unsure if there was added detail.
>>724332116Called it.Like said: you have not finished even half of the game yet.
>>724332314The remake adds a lot of side-merch only story bits into the game, including the Kaine's Story + ending E.
>>724332491Oh wow they put Ending E in the game? Maybe I should play it
>>724332491Thanks anon I trully appreciate all that explanation you did.
btw fuck this bitch, she got what she deserved
Man I really love these small magical touching moments. It is the only reason to endure hours of boring running/fetching bullshit. Fucking Taro wasting my time for no reason
I kinda liked him. ripI assume they decided to kill/make you kill everyone just for the sake of creating more drama and sad moments.
>>724331689It's good to watch Drakengard ending E for context because it's the event that sets everything off. Not much else is really important from Drakengard other than the concept of "angry god makes armies of humans with red glowing eyes and wants to exterminate humanity." Drakengard E's events brought a magical "disease" into the real world which is what those weird inverted color loading screens are talking about, and it's what the Project Gestalt thing devola and popola told you about was created to try and save humanity from. Anything beyond that you'll see from playing through B or is just little unimportant but interesting details you can learn about after.If your pic is where you got to, you've only played part of the game. Ending B is where the story really concludes. Personally I think C and D don't really matter and just feel tacked on and they're absolutely not worth the grind to get there, just watch them on youtube. E is cool and is based on a short story that existed long before Automata but the way it presents itself ingame kind of wants you to have played Automata first.
>>724332805sad
>>724332805The "it's too late to stop, no one stops" into the heart wrenching scream into the original village music version of song of the ancients is the most kino moment in all of video games
>>724332805you'll see eventually but nobody really deserves what they get in Nier, it's all just one big tragedy really
>>724334280I think I'll try to watch from the beginning. Thanks anon I'll definitely finish B now. The game just can't get out of my head and I can't really explain why. I wouldn't say the story was that amazing. It's those little moment and I believe music play HUGE part in it. It's just insane how good it is.
>>724331689Lore videos are for retards, the game itself tells you everything you need to know.
>>724334842no it doesn't, which is my biggest issue with Yoko Taro titles. Like if you only play Nier without consuming any supplementary material you'll never learn that wiping out Shade Nier dooms all of humanity to extinction because they needed his magic power to survive
>>724332116Finish the game niggerGetting to the final ending might feel like a chore but it's some really good shit unless they changed it to be more in line with Automata
>>724334768>it's all just one big tragedy reallyI guess I understand now why this series have 13 million sales.>Write a story that basically a tragedy. Everyone around you dies or you kill them yourself because you have no choice>Add phenomenal soundtrack and good voice acting>Add appealing, cute or sexy charactersThat's it. Remove all that and the game isn't even worth launching. Why couldn't anyone repeat this formula?Is this really that hard?
>>724331689>Do I really have to watch hours of explanation?it's a sequel to drakengard and drakengard is rancid ass mechanically. you benefit from understanding the magic system if you want the story to make sense.
>>724335158people love their tragedies, probably why the genre has survived since the days of ancient greece
>>724335020>Getting to the final ending might feel like a chorewill see, maybe I'll just install this bullshit so I can skip/speedrun the whole chore bullshit by enabling god mode and increasing game speed 10 times so I can run 10 times faster. It's still better to discovering things yourself than watching it on youtube. Will see
>>724334781That giant video is going to be completely full of spoilers in the parts that do matter and the other 3 and a half hours will be COMPLETELY irrelevant to you.Just watch this insteadhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OPW-RdzStAThe world of Nier is just our world, but then this happens on 6/12 2003 and shit hits the fan. You don't need to understand what came before it because nobody in the game's world knows it either. Unlike Automata, the game itself contains everything you need to know to fully appreciate the story (other than Drakengard E but the game was marketed as a spinoff sequel to this ending). After you finish the game, if you like the setting and want to know more, there's a supplementary book called Grimoire Nier that contains a complete timeline of everything that happened between 6/12 and every phase of the game and will answer pretty much every question you could possibly have about the finer details. You can probably find scans online or something but it's also pretty cheap these days and is a nice thing to have in print imo>>724335485Just watch C and D on youtube and then download or mod a save to get to E. You shouldn't rush through the B replay because it contains tons of new dialogue and cutscenes.
>>724335485I dunno if the remake was balanced better, but the tech in the original was to nab the phoenix spear and upgrade it as much as your patience allows (getting eggs for the final upgrade was pretty tedious but the spear performed fine without it) then you just boom everything in the game because the enemies didn't scale up unless you cranked the difficulty. You could also move faster by canceling the spear triangle attack into the rollhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQEj8SxbGtI looks like the tech still exists in replicant
>>724335712Thanks for reminding me that 90% of the weapons were worthless and HP bloat was all Hard Mode has going for it. Also Eagle Egg grind should be done immediately because it's somehow the worst, and the fact the motherfucker makes the drop rate words actually reduce your chance of getting the rare drops was what made me realize Yoko Taro just doesn't like people who play his games to completion.
I quit playing this right around the time you unfreeze Kaine because of boredom, the entire first part of the game before the timeskip is just fetch quests with barely any combat. I didn't care at all about the story, the generic bishonen protagonist and his sister had no personality, Kaine is just surly bitch and Emil is just a random Medusa kid that turns into a skeleton freak after you kill his sister (?) underground in that lab area that is obviously hinting at some sort of sci fi shit going on in the background. I 100%'d and got all endings in Drakengard before this to get started playing the Taro games even though it was liquid shit (yes I did the rhythm game without pausing, no I will never put myself through that again, yes I looked up most hidden weapons because those are so obtuse it's ridiculous) and I thought the story in that game was kinda lame too, people really overplay how dark and edgy it is. It just has shit in it like Caim's sister wanting incest sex, Leonard and his Chris Hansen warranting tastes, the child soldiers and the insane elf bitch who eats kids in that one path but it doesn't really do anything with that stuff, it's like a mad libs of dark fantasy stuff.All I know about the story going forward is that Kaine has a dick, Emil is a fag because Yoko Taro is a leftist, and it somehow ties to Ending E from Drakengard. I really don't like these games so far and don't get why they are so widely praises, Yoko Taro seems like an obnoxious performative narcissist, I'm assuming most of the popularity is retroactive because NieR Automata got popular due to 2B's sexiness. The music in both games is good at least, I really like the fucked up disjointed stuttering soundtrack in Drakengard and still listen to it from time to time.
>>724335653>>724334781>>724334280Hey niggers why don't you try playing videogames instead of watching gum flapping faggot give me money now youtubers instead you fucking posers?
>>724336148at least there was value in hard mode for the B route bosses so you can stall fights out to see all the dialogue, otherwise you could kill them too quickly. but yeah the eagle egg grind sucked ass
>>724336343playing and getting all the endings for Nier requires you to do the same things 3-4 times over, I think you only need 3 for C and D because you can just get C, then load a save and get all the weapons for D. but that's still 4 runs of the final dungeon, which isn't as tedious as 4 runs of the entire post timeskip stuff but still tedious.
>>724336237>Kaine has a dick, Emil is a fages stick and harder to forgetdid he really ruin Kaine as well? wtf? and you're 100% right they barely have any personality. even the main character is basically>shades bad, I will kill them all, I wil exterminate them "Shinzō wo Sasageyo!">I need to save my cuty little sister who is sick and dying and I will not stop>very sad indeed
>>724336237This is basically "I read the first 5 pages of a book and I don't understand the story"Nier's story is pretty back-loaded, it sets up and world and characters and later on you're filled in on what they all are and how the world came to be what it is and what it all means. The ending of B is really something special and if you didn't completely piece together the twist before it reveals it there, the feeling it gives you is unlike anything I've ever experienced
>>724336343Bitch why did you quote me twice in this, I'm the one telling him NOT to watch the four hour lore video and the things I'm telling him to watch are brief gameplay clips with no commentary
>>724336757>did he really ruin Kainejeez Taro san is trully a lefty faggotwas it really necessary to the story? does it make it better? fucking how?
>>724335004automata is quite blatant about it. just play the damn games. it's also in grimoire nier
>>724336893Yea I got that impression a lot, especially with the beginning clearly taking place in some sort of snowy apocalypse New York and then it zooms thousands of years in the future where you are controlling nearly identical characters as the prologue, I just mean that up until the point I played I was completely uninvested in the story because I didn't care about any of the characters at all. That might just be me being a sperg though, the music got me emotional but I felt nothing for the characters at all and couldn't stand Kaine screaming fuck for the 500th time.>>724336962Honestly I fucked up and didn't read any of those posts in depth because I snap at anyone linking youtube video essays like a rabid dog, I'm tired of seeing that shit on this board at this point. Sorry anon.
>>724337046You are completely mindbrokenPeople used to jerk off to chicks with dicks, hermaphrodites and trans are two COMPLETELY different things and it's pretty clear it wasn't put in the game for inclusion points, it's never even directly mentioned ingame
>>724337126>just play an entirely different game to figure out what happened in another gameso you're saying to understand what happens in the game, you need to engage with supplementary material.
>>724337046still would
>>724337046I know this isn't the same thing as being a tranny at all, but what is the point of it being in the story?Does her dick even work or is it just vestigial?
>>724337198People used to joke about it>chicks with dicks, twice the fun!But it's always been pretty fucking gay anon. You look at a woman and think "goddamn I wish she had a cock"
>>724337251it's personal trauma since the other kids beat the shit out of herthere's less retarded ways of writing it but it facilitates her manly rager personality
>>724335004I think the bigger blunder with that is it's never mentioned that that also dooms every replicant to get the black scrawl and die, so all the replicants are fucked tooIt needs to be made a little clearer how fucked everything is after the game ends, I think that's kind of the intent with the end of A showing nier and yonah in their younger forms, vaguely implying it's all memories and they're dead in the current timeline but it's nowhere near direct enough to make it clear
>>724337198>You are completely mindbrokenyou're right anon the woke garbage propaganda in almost every game ruined me and I'm just an old biter man
>>724337209NTA but it's more like all his games are set in the same universe, but it's not made very clear at all. Events in Drakengard influence the world of NieR, but if you play NieR first, you won't know that and it isn't explained at all, so it's a convoluted semi-sequel type of thing.
>>724337342There's been a ton of stories out there about bullying and how it affects someone psychologically and I can't think of a single other one that involves a woman secretly having a penis.
>>724337251she's inbetween genders like she's inbetween the existence of a gestalt and a replicant. She and Emile are both atypical sexually (Kaine is a hermaphrodite and Emile is homosexual), but also considered "monsters" by regular folk. being forced to camp outside of town because the few vestiges of civilization fear them for their abnormalities.
>>724337430I think the marketing material in Japan made it pretty clear it was a followup to Drakengard E, but we didn't really get that here
>>724337525Ah, so Taro is trying to say that trannies and faggots are monsters that are dangerous to normal people, gotcha.
>>724337209>the sequel tells you what happens after the gameuh, yes? what's wrong with you tards?
I keep seeing this Final Fantasy character with Nier written next to them, I've completed this game on every ending apart from G when I was a teen and don't recognise this character. Is this your daughters lesbian friend when she grows up or something ?
>>724337251most intersex if not all get a surgical operation to remove one of the genitals to become either a boy or a girl. or at least I heard so, so it's not gay, kinda, I guess
>>724337378Yes it has, and now you hallucinate it in places it doesn't actually exist
>>724337617but the whole humans are alive just in stasis on the moon lie doesn't work nearly as effectively without the knowledge of gestalt/replicant project, and it's dooming at the end of Nier 1. you're supposed to be surprised that there was a potential contingency for the grimoire plan not working, with the reveal that it's a hoax to keep Androids from giving up on life This isn't info that's originally revealed in automata either, but Grimoire Nier if memory serves, a piece of supplementary material released long before Automata. I like Taro's works but the reliance on outside material for the full picture kind of sucks.
>>724337605I guess he's trying to say the opposite, like it's not okay to hate them just because they're different. Even Nier says it's not fair and they didn't deserve this
>>724337704In the original version (Nier Replicant) you play as Yonah's brother, in the NA version (called Nier Gestalt in Japan) you play as her father. Japan ultimately got both versions, we only got the papa nier version. A few years back a remake of Replicant came out in both regions so now the west can play the original "real" version of the game.
>>724337704if you're talking about the image the OP, that's the main character of Drakengard 3, a game that isn't really related too closely to Nier because the timeline splits between Drakengard to both Nier (Drakengard 1 ending E) and the rest of Drakengard.
>>724337918is there any way to fix this? I don't really see it in older movies games because I know there's no hidden message usually.
>>724337970No I get it, I was being smug and cunty in that post. I just think it's farcical that he is trying to make some sort of social commentary on fag acceptance by trying to conflate them with monster people that seem dangerous but aren't.>this person is hated because they seem like a monster, but they actually aren't>if you accept them then you must accept poop dick shitFuck off Taro.
>>724338178i do not think he was trying to write a tranny acceptance story in his 2010 ps3 game it's just an off the wall twist
>>724338157NTA but it was there in the past, just not to the same degree and nowhere near as often. Look at shit like the Burger King Kid's Club or how diverse the characters are in Backyard Baseball, they even have a guy in a wheelchair in that. You are right to be annoyed and upset by it though, it HAS gotten a lot worse and is being forced into everything by obnoxious narcissists that get a high off of feeling like they are the champions of the poor downtrodden by worshipping anything brown, foreign and gay.
>>724337520>>724337251The real answer is Taro is just a weirdo and likes putting taboo stuff in his games. There is no meaning, or maybe he's into futa, I don't know.Drakengard gave you a party full of pedophiles and incestuous sisters, this is kind of just the extension of that. He likes the "party of misfit weirdos that don't fit in with society" trope
>>724338178>>724338326it must be tough being so stupid
>>724338326I meant that more towards Emil hinting that he is attracted to the protagonist, Kaine I don't think is social commentary at all.>>724338381Thankfully we know you are strong enough for the job.
>>724338381you did not play the game
>>724336634But you dont then get to claim the game is a masterpiece if you never fucking even played it to the finishSuffer like everyone else did
>>724338501I did, but I can see why people wouldn't like doing it themselves. probably why Automata is structured differently too because they took the repeated run criticism to heart.
>>724337198You are still gay no matter how much you cope using the past as an exampleThey were faggits tooFuta IS Gay
>>724338501>Suffer like everyone else didis this stockholm syndrome?
>>724338459funny thing to say about a game that deletes your save on completion, not like I could post my proof even if I had eh?
>>724338613>Automata is structuredis it? I heard you have to complete it 5 times like Replicant
>>724337251There is no meaningDid you also know that Nier took it in the ass to pay for food? Apparently, it is mentioned in some obscure shit outside the videogamesTalk about sabotaging your own success lmao
>>724338698>deletes your save on completionwtf. Taro is a fucking weirdo and just batshit crazy
>>724338746NTA, but you heard wrong.NA is way more linear, but the route B still filters modern ADHD plebs.
>>724338750I'd just offer the milf who loves mutton some dick on the side if she pays a little extra.
>>724338663Has nothing to do with the point I'm making
>>724338746>I heard you have to complete it 5 times like ReplicantNaw. You play the first leg of the game twice but (keeping it vague) it's VERY different the second time around and doesn't feel like a slog. The rest of the game is all new content and you don't have to play any of it more than once.
>>724338613>probably why Automata is structured differently too because they took the repeated run criticism to heart.Its why i will always say that Automata is the superior game, despite not having as good characters/plot.Gameplay should matter more when talking about VIDYOJAMEsNeedless to say i fucking hated Replicant gameplay, maybe i was at fault for playing at the hardest difficulty, afterall i didnt do it in Automata i was completely filtered by the intro where you cant save
>>724338986This is kind of where I stand too, Replicant's story and characters are 100x better but Automata's structure and gameplay is 100x better.
>>724338875>hermaphrodites and trans are two COMPLETELY different thingsNo, you are gay, thats it. No more copingYou like "chicks" with dicks, you like dicks, you are a GAAAAAY
>>724338986I can't say for sure how Replicant is balanced because I've only played the original Papa Nier version, but Hard Mode originally was more of a thing for the repeat runs if you didn't want to crush every enemy like a bug because of how you scaled in power with weapon upgrades and words.
>>724338986>>724339032Nier Automata's story and subtext are also way better than Replicant's. I will die on this hill.NA took the raw, poorly implemented ideas of Nier1, and truly cooked them into a gourmet dish.
Just imagine>one playthrough>takes 10 hours>everything is explained properly>no fetch quests, no "go there bring me 3 anuses of a dead rat" stuff, just pure cinema masterpiece>KINOAlthough I expect some fans won't like it for some reason and they would prefer to keep it as it is. Because they have that satisfaction of earning scraps of the story piece by piece and they would be mad if it would just present you on a plate
Do I need to play Drakengard to fully understand this game?
>>724339095Anon you are a fucking retard.Intersex/hermaphrodite is someone who is born with both genitalia or some fucked up mix of the two, a trans person is someone who is born physically normal as one sex but wants to be the other. Completely different concepts. Your brain is broken
>>724339141both are pretty good, automata's execution on it's ideas are much more polished than original Nier's but I quite liked original Nier's setting as it was much more bizarre than Automata's pretty normal post apocalypse, even if Automata uses it's more normal setting better in regards to it's narrative.
>>724339315I liked playing through the story again with the context and Shade dialogue shown
>>724339321No, just understand that Drakengard is about a pissed off god who wants to wipe out humanity and watch Drakengard's ending E. Drakengard E was kind of a joke ending but Nier is what happens if you play it straight and make a serious followup to that story.
>>724339119Its not difficult, just absurdly annoyingI hardly ever get actually frustrated at games but i was close to quitting around the 2nd playthrough because i just didnt feel like i got enough out of it. I was like>Thats it? Nothing actually interesting? Just a few cutscenes with the shades? A few seconds of cutscene at the end? I dont care, just let me see the real ending!The real ending was good but at the end i was questioning whether it was worth it. I guess it was but holy shit what a moronic design I suppose it was to pad out the gameplay, kind of like old arcade games being extremely difficult
>>724339321no, you just need to know that Nier takes place on earth after Drakengard's ending E, but you should try to play Drakengard 1 anyway because of how bizarre of a game it is. just don't expect a GOOD game, because it really isn't. it is an interesting game more than a good one.
This was probably one of the most unnecessary "remakes" in the story. Yeah, the new combat is good, but problem is that everything else was kept the same including the enemies, so in comparison to the player they are severely underpowered so they manage to be worse and easier than in the original game. I know that brother Nier is canon, but apeman father was much better.Felt a slog to play everything again several times just to get the new ending. This could had been improved in this version.
>>724339384>with both genitaliaYes, a COCK and vaginaA COCKYou like the COCK part of the "girl" You are a big homo
I'm sure the replicant program will work fine you guys are a bunch of conspiracy theorists just go get the robot body and trust the science
>>724339518see I thought oppositely, I quite liked my second loop of the post timeskip because of the further contextualization of the shades, and how a rather bog standard revenge quest for the mcguffins protected by lesser baddies to beat up the biggest baddie in the land gets re contextualized with the knowledge that shades are human souls, and the shades you fight against are mostly coherent people who are just trying to live their lives in peace. The extra endings after that weren't all too amazing, even if I do like ending D the work to get it was obnoxious. God forbid anyone even tries the farming system they're in for a slow tedious time.
>>724339141>Nier Automata's story and subtext are also way better than Replicant's. I will die on this hill.I would be interested to hear more about this.I like Replicant's story more because the game itself contains pretty much everything you need to know, pretty much every question is answered by the end of B, and the big reveals are timed well and presented beautifully.I thought Automata paced things weirdly, it doesn't tell you what's going on with 2B until the ABSOLUTE fucking end of the game and it's not really given any fanfare or anything, A2 just kind of tells you and nothing happens. it feels like one of the most significant things about the story and I feel like it should have been presented to you kind of like Replicant B's twist reveal as the final thing with that whole cinematic revealing it.Automata also just kind of ends by bringing up more questions and weird shit without answering them, like what the fuck is going on with the red girls and the ins and outs of the machine network and all that. Going off how Replicant worked I was expecting Automata to tie all this shit together at the end and reveal that all these weird systems were part of some discrete thing set in motion years prior but basically nothing gets answered and most of it is just "it just is that way because it is." Project Yorha is also just a complicated self-referential mess that doesn't really mean anything, I wanted it to be the be all end all of the whole story like Gestalt was in Replicant.
>>724339603?????????Please actually read the conversation you're replying to, you seem to have no clue what's actually being discussed hereLiterally nobody but you is talking about whether or not it's gay
Since Nier and Yonah lived in the same house, did they see each other naked while getting changed? Where did they have baths? Their house had no bath or shower.
>>724339923That anon is either baiting or a very repressed fagPossibly both
>>724339946they are filthy peasants they bathe in the river or not at all
>>724338746You play through the first game as 2B firstThen as 9SCompletely different gameplay, same overworld, different areas accessible if i recallStory seen in a different context as you get to know more as 9SThen as A2, same gameplay as 2B but different stuff, probably the best part of the game but also the shortest sadlyThen as 9S and A2 for the finale Not like Replicant where its 1:1 the same game and same character just with a few extra cutscenes like a directors cutAnd the gameplay gets boring around the first playthrough already
>>724339993cope poopdick you are g-a-y
>>724339770it almost worked, then they became people.
>>724340013Did Nier and Yonah ever see each other naked?
>>724339865What I like automata for is the general vibe and message and state of the world, its appeal is kind of a slow burn thing where you think about it and it all sinks in. The world being trapped in this endless cycle haunted by the ghost of humanity is really really compelling and the soundtrack suits it so well. I just think the story itself that the game takes you through in that world was handled and paced really poorly and no part of it really hit me like any of the big reveals in Replicant.I will also die on the hill that A2 is a complete dog shit character as presented by the game itself, her backstory needed to actually be in the fucking game instead of it just assuming you saw the Japan only stageplay or happened to find the terminal with the play's script on it (which becomes available way too late anyways).When she first shows up and says "command are the ones who betrayed you" I was like "oh boy what an interesting character I can't wait to hear her story and find out what she means by that" and then you just.... don't.
>humanity is completely fucked because an asshole and his dragon accidentally teleported a godlike being carrying psychic AIDS into Tokyo
Reminder that Nier canonically sold his boipucci to some ugly bastard pedophile in Seafront to pay for Yonah's medicine and it's why he wears his hair tied up
>>724340231It never did The plague they were hiding from never disappeared right? Original Nier just got impatient and terminated the program early by losing
>>724340325Why are you asking? Ofcourse they didAre you asking because you wanna know whether they fucked?No i didnt fuck my sister Yonah, i made sure she was 18.000000000 years old but unfortunately she died before that!
>>724340510I might be wrong but I think the wcs shit is still around but doesn't work because humans are gone, I don't think you even find any salt around after the prologue
>>724340112Forgot to cap it off by saying that theres only 2 "differing" final endings you gotta "replay" the game for but i say "replay" because you can skip the whole shit and just do the final fight straight on to see the other endingThats where they improvedMeaningful gameplay changes, the story is always being explored further after each ending except the final two, before the final FINAL real real ending
>>724340510naw they were in the clear at that point, the new problem was that Shade Nier couldn't sustain shades for much longer, which is why random enemy shades would attack people. the scrawl is happens when a shade is about to go rampant, so shade nier acted to reunite replicant Yonah and Shade Yonah because Shade Yonah couldn't hang on for much longer, but because the replicants became people Yonah gave up her soul because she couldn't bodyjack someone. then shade nier gets bodied and everyone dies lol
>>724340686Its still around and thats the problem, they were waiting for it to go away but it never did(?) so they couldnt swap back to their replicant bodies
>>724340810Remind me, where was it mentioned that the GODaids was gone?
>>724340510>>724340810>>724340897>The plague they were hiding from never disappeared right?I believe it was thought that the world was fully purified right around that time, but it's unclear whether or not it actually was. I like to think the logic virus in Automata is proof that it hadn't, since that's just an extension of the Legion red eye shit. I've occasionally seen the theory that the logic virus is just the machine network emulating it since it has access to all of humanity's history and records, but I don't buy it. A lot of the technology in the setting is actually just maso magic so it makes sense for Drakengard's angry god shit to still be around through that. For instance I think Taro confirmed in some random interview that the "hacking" is actually just magic>>724341020I only know it in the project gestalt timeline in the grimoire nier book
>>724341020don't think it's ever mentioned but there's no more salt, and no voices in people's heads asking for contracts. Yonah when made a full human again only hears one voice, and that's the voice of replicant Yonah and not the god asking for a contract.
>>724339865I never understood exactly how in the fuck everything in Replicant led to Automata. Always thought it was something like this:- Humanity is 100% dead after the shadowlord is defeated, this doomed both gestalts and replicants since they don't have his magic to keep them alive anymore- However, robots are still around- Aliens say hi- Robots fight the machines sent by the aliens- Robots use the organic cores of the machines to create more robots- The robots are something something based on Kaine just because Taro wanted, she was technicaly the sole human left on the planet because she was a futa- Machines evolve enough so they could wipe all robots, but by doing so they would have no meaning anymore- Robots and machines enter an agreement to fight a fake war. All robots have a backdoor to make them go crazy when they are winning, so the status quo is kept between the factions- Humans don't live on the moon, there's just a server there- The machines got a something something overlord AI that is something something somewhat related to the magical virus that killed humans because it shows up as a red girl- Machines eventualy came to appreciate humans and started to mimick them- In the true ending the machines evolved enough so they'd rather fuck off from the planet and travel elsewhere- The drones revive 2B and 9S so they can have their happy ending- A shitty mobile game is created and apparently everything happens inside of a simulation created by the machines traveling through space
>>724341091>I only know it in the project gestalt timeline in the grimoire nier bookHere's this>>724341153>don't think it's ever mentioned but there's no more salt, and no voices in people's heads asking for contracts.That's potentially just because there are no intact humans at that point in time. The whole WCS thing only works on a complete human with both a soul and a body, it doesn't work on gestalts and it doesn't work on replicants. That's the whole idea of project gestalt, separating the body from the soul renders them immune to the disease so they can safely hibernate while the world gets purified by the replicants and androids.
>>724341316you're forgetting that Beepy survives Nier replicant/gestalt, turns himself into a rocket then broadcasts the capacity for human emotion across the cosmos, infecting the machines with humanity as he leaves, causing their aberrant behavior in the events of automata.
>>724341490>That's potentially just because there are no intact humans at that point in time. The whole WCS thing only works on a complete human with both a soul and a body, it doesn't work on gestalts and it doesn't work on replicants. That's the whole idea of project gestalt, separating the body from the soul renders them immune to the disease so they can safely hibernate while the world gets purified by the replicants and androids.>Yonah when made a full human again only hears one voice, and that's the voice of replicant Yonah and not the god asking for a contract.literally one sentence after the one you quoted addresses this
>>724341316Your mistake was to even try to understand Automata's plot and not just the subtextBlablabla Androids and aayylien fighter robots fightWhat happens when you have no more enemies to fight? Is there a god? Does it matter if there is or isnt one?Not all stories need to have a sad endingLife is great, have sex and breed t.ghost of a japanese prime minister
>>724341316>The robots are something something based on Kaine just because Taro wanted, she was technicaly the sole human left on the planet because she was a futaI don't think this is a thing. What you might be thinking of is how every android is implanted with a random human's memories to bring them closer to humanity, and it's pretty directly implied that A2 got Kaine's memories.Emil is actually the only kinda sorta human left on the planet.>Robots and machines enter an agreement to fight a fake war. All robots have a backdoor to make them go crazy when they are winning, so the status quo is kept between the factionsThe machines never did this, the whole fake shit was just within the android side. All androids know how to do is follow their orders of "save humanity," so the goal of the whole yorha thing was to bury the truth that humanity is extinct so everything can just roll on forever in ignorant bliss. I do believe the machines also learned to not completely wipe out the androids because then they'd similarly have no purpose, but it didn't happen as an agreement between the two sides. The machines are also slowly becoming more and more "human" initially sparked by the beepy thing but followed up on by the machine network being on the moon where all of humanity's "backup data" (I think it's the stuff from the tree in Replicant) so the machines end up just kind of gradually rolling through all of humanity's culture and experiences.>>724341523This is important tooIt's retarded that this one random short story is so important, but that's nier
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>>724341619>Yonah when made a full human again only hears one voice, and that's the voice of replicant Yonah and not the god asking for a contract.She should need to get exposed to queen beast maso in that little tiny moment she was rejoined in order for WCS and the contract stuff to set in. If I recall from the timeline there's kind of an incubation period anyways, even if any particles were present there. I figure the implication is the world was pretty much entirely purified, but somewhere in the deepest corners of the earth it was still lurking around and ultimately came back to fuck with the androids ages later.
>>724342220He's the realest nigga in the game
>>724341490This is also what i fucking despise about the gameWHY THE FUCK do you put crucial shit like this in some FUCKING BOOK instead of the game?Its not even some "shit that happened in the past and doesnt matter" but clearly tells you the motive of the antagonist of the game, which is kept hidden through out the game basicallyReplicant is great, Automata too but hole shit if Yoko Taro will make a 3rd game mobile doesnt count i hope this shit is droppedUnfortuntely i dont think there will be a Nier game (thats worthwhile) without that crazy retard thoughMaybe the audiobooks and what nots were not his idea though
>>724342019The subtext is the easiest thing to understand. I gave up when the gacha was released.>>724342080Ah yeah, forgot that part. Emil curbstomped most machines with clones of himself or whatever, so the machines got scared enough they ended up copying how he looks likeThis whole beepy thing sounds retarded, the game made look like he was 100% destroyed
>>724342525The stage play was though. He might have hated being forced to tell his stories in multimedia fashion, but he's embraced here and there, like Nomura did for KH.
>>724341490>>724342525This is just awful storytelling. Having tons of information so heavily buried in supplemental materials or barely even hinted at in game isn't genius auteur work, it's lazy and ridiculous.
>>724342080>it's pretty directly implied that A2 got Kaine's memories.This is not true, they are totally unrelated. It was a fan theory that ran wild based on a misunderstanding and even the person who came up with it in the first place admits they were wrong. The details of the memories in the stageplay don't fit Kaine at all.
>>724342578>The subtext is the easiest thing to understand. I gave up when the gacha was released.Exactly, and it is the only thing you should try to understandI think everything else is just a messThings happen and you dont get to see itAny plotholes will just be met with an explanation that you never get to see, its just explained away with more mumbo jumboThe games are much better if you just look at the simplest parts of themIts like that in the MGS series too
>>724342525>>724342680I think Replicant works well enough with just what the game itself and Drakengard gives you. All you're really missing is the "everyone's fucked after the ending" thing, but it does gives some subtle hints at it and none of the endings really have the vibe of a good ending which helps. Automata is a different story though, the game is a complete clusterfuck unless you have all this supplementary material and even then I think it's kind of a convoluted mess. Replicant feels a lot more like a contained and concluded story
>>724342680Not only that but burying a bunch of the ugly shit there is just plain funny>Nier possibly took it in the ass to pay for his bills>Kaine is a futa monster that possibly fucked a corpse or somethingI do kinda understand why its buried in shit that most westerners will never see or hear aboutI mean the game alludes to Emil being a little gay homo faggot but thats it, thats not much considering the other shit
>>724331689Just stop trying so hard you poser cringelord, go back to eating glue or whatever it is that truly ignites your passions.
>>724342905>Replicant feels a lot more like a contained and concluded storyWell Automata does have to make up for like 100 thousand years of literal nothing with SOMETHINGAnd none of it is even important in the end, unless we get a sequel for some reason in the same universe
Reminder that Kaine having a penis is explicit in the game but the entire scene was censored for westerners.
I wish either Drakengard 1 or 3 could get proper remakes. D3 was a fucking mess, both a slog to play and underoptmized to a point it lagged constantly on the Ps3, not to mention you had to read the manga and the mini novels.Doubt Drakengard 1 would be remade without massive censorship and rewrites, but one can dream.
>>724343027Kaine having a dick is very much hinted at from her flashback portions with her being harassed by the village bullies and even regular villagers harassing her.
I very much enjoyed Kainé & Emil relationship.
>>724343334Hinted at isnt the same as explicitly told unless you are dullHer being harrassed could be for multiple reasons, shes part shade, the people dont like Shades, what is there to make you think Kaine has a massive futa cock?Meanwhile Emil>I want to take it in the ass in a wedding dress while blowing multiple guys>Gee whizz i think this Emil guy might be a bit queer...
OP is a prime example of the "modern" gaming retard
>>724343593>Whatcha acting like a girl for, huh? Everyone knows what you really areIts not as blantant as Emil, but its there.And this flashback occurs before the shade became part of her
>>724343593Where in the game has it ever been hinted at that someone could be part-Shade? Like at all?
>>724343185>Well Automata does have to make up for like 100 thousand years of literal nothing with SOMETHING>And none of it is even important in the endIt is though, the ending makes no fucking sense without external knowledge of the machine network's ties to the human archive and the ins and outs of project yorha and how and why it was formed. Even once you know it all the story kind of sucks.
>>724343861>Huh? What a weird thing to say, surely he understands that despite Kaine acting and swears like a drunken sailor she is still a woman?Kaine is very feminine looking, cute face, tits and all, but acts like a man Until THAT part in the game>>724343942Im pretty sure its mentioned in game that Kaine has a shade infesting her body, explicitly
>>724342772>This is not true, they are totally unrelated.I mean, it's a theory, but it's a pretty strong one. Her description of her simulated memories lines up perfectly with Kaine's human past and her personality shifts the same way Kaine's does as shit hits the fan for her. Sure, there are probably millions of girls who grew up on a farm with their grandma, but it being mentioned and perfectly lining up with Kaine is an intentional choice since it's a designed fictional story so it probably means something.
>>724343593>Hinted at isnt the same as explicitly told unless you are dullYou can see her cock bulge. The kid who bullies her strips her to see "whether its a boy or a girl".
>>724344206Yes, and the flashback is set before the Shade manifests.
>>724344352Kaine did not grow up on a farm and the memories A2 has are of a girl who was treated kindly by her neighbours, there is absolutely nothing connecting the two backstories aside from there being a grandmother. Our Kaine isn't even a human being, the androids did not use the memories of replicants for the implanted memories and they sure wouldn't use the memories of a replicant who helped kill the shadowlord.
>>724343942The game directly tells you she's possessed by a shade multiple times over
>>724344826Yes, and when you start the fucking Ending B, you get the past flashback where the Shade has NOTHING to do with her, it isn't until Grandma dies that he comes out trying to possess her.
>>724344817>Kaine did not grow up on a farmYes she did. The memories are from the human that "our" kaine is a replicant of, nobody ever said this was about replicant kaine.
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>>724344352NTA, but https://firesanctuary.com/2024/12/15/speculation-between-a2-and-kaine-headcanon-getting-out-of-wack/ here's the original source of the fan theory, going back to it, and saying that it was actually not the case.
>>724344930Reading back I'm seeing what you're saying, I was refuting the "where did it say someone can be part shade" thing in isolation but the actual point you're getting at is at the time period from the flashbacks.Yeah, Tyrann wasn't in her during the flashbacks where she was getting bullied so that wasn't about the shade thing. It's about the futa thing
>>724336237If the story in Nier didn't grab you and you're not invested into the one from Drakengard either then you might as well drop the franchise since the rest of the game isn't gonna change your feelings about it at all. Everyone feels like a secondary character in their own story. The game is horrendously padded out. By the time you reach the last ending you're gonna be so tired of hearing the same lines you'll lose whatever little sympathy you had for the characters. At least Drakengard gave you new levels and let you skip through what you've already seen otherwise
Great, the thread is now ruined.
>>724337251https://nier.fandom.com/wiki/The_Witch%27s_Banquet>The thing in her hand, swollen and stiff, was a phallus—her phallus. Numerous blood veins were visible, undulating along the dark shaft. In addition to a Shade, it seemed this young woman's body possessed male genitalia as well.
>>724346402Been happening to random threads all dayJust ignore
Wish it was this easy to kill the gacha and AIfag threads lmao
>>724344978Human Kaine was an experimental weapon and secret child of war heroes who lived her entire life in a luxurious Tokyo manor wearing frilly dresses. Listen to the CD drama.
I was thoroughly disappointed by how little changes after the second playthrough. I expected some major plot diversions, but all you get is a slightly extended ending
