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What did Varian Wrynn, High King of the Alliance, mean by this?

https://i.imgur.com/71NZK0O.mp4

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Apologize.

>>724332808
>WoW writers still seething over him to this day
Guy did nothing wrong and people will hate him for it.

TBC

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>this was pretty much an actual character design in the game at one point
What happened?

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>>724332618
same thing that happened to gamefreak
no competition makes you lazy and rots the company from the inside

Just post cropped porn man theres no point of talking about any Blizzard game

>>724332618
Hitting max level in vanilla. TBC killed the game entirely.

>>724333067
They got old and lost their cojones.

>>724333067
>Drakthir or whatever aren't mutt babies from alex and vague heroes from all over the world
One JOB
No don't sat Deathwing broke her baby chute this is unacceptable

>>724332618
When people who should have never been involved with vidya took control.

>>724332618
They started catering to casuals, same story as any MMO. The thing about MMOs is that there was always a majority casual playerbase, you could keep these players around without kissing their asses and making the game easy for them, and they'd be more encouraged to stick around because muh sunk cost.

>>724333014
He called mommy Donut Steel a bitch 15 years ago

>>724334667
Good.

>>724334667
Was he wrong?

>>724334749
Not really, considering they destroyed the narrative of the entire game because of it

>>724332618
Cata came too early and so did the world reset. They had at least two more expansions before that was necessary and I always thought legion would've been better after wrath thematically

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>>724332618
Here.

>>724334892
Legion was the last chance they had at bridging the gap between classic MMO and modern QoL features people want. It had a few flaws (legendaries) but it was a HUGE step in the right direction that they immediately reversed permanently right after

>>724335385
I think we can all agree that WoW 100% ended with Legion. Everything afterwards is just... nothing.
Like who the fuck cares about the void lords bullshit? It's so painfully uninteresting and snooze inducing.

>>724335505
I was never one that cared about the story, but I will say the gameplay was hugely improved over WoD and MoP, even if they slimmed down the spellbooks a lot. The roguelike dungeons were a good idea, and the raids were fun, although I didn't raid much before Legion so I don't know how good they were comparatively.
I genuinely still can't fucking believe how hard they fumbled, and continued to fumble immediately after 7.3.5

>>724333014
>treats war like it’s a war instead of secretly helping the other side all the time
remember goy, honor is when you make your own people lose on purpose!

>>724332618
It would be easier to where didn’t they go wrong

TBC with vertical progression invalidating the previous game's content, adding more dailies and repetitive reputation grinding, flying mounts destroying world flow and wpvp (although that was already shit) and the dumbing down of various mechanics in order to make the game even easier for mindless retards who refuse to communicate with each other, plus ignoring the original living world simulation aspect that MMOs were aspiring towards in their early days, PLUS not adding, fixing or restoring any of the cut and rushed content from the original release while continuing to push the game towards being brainless raid logging once you hit max level because there is fuck all else to do.

WotLK for adding cross realm instant dungeon teleporting incentivizing people to not give a shit about upsetting others they will never see again and furthering the mentality of dropping a group the microsecond you don't get what you want.

Cataclysm for completely ruining everything good about the game before it.

>>724332618
tbc

Fuck expansions, go play turtle while you still can their newest leveling dungeons are pure kino

>>724337401
Shill me on Turtle. Legit curious and clueless about it.

>>724337464
Vanilla+ done well and blizzard knows this, theyre getting scared so they started some lawsuit. From what i know though its going to take a while

Far as I'm concerned it started going downhill in Cataclysm and finally bombed in MoP

>>724337906
Less take a while and more that the server and it's owner are in Russia so they don't give a shit at all, some of the devs were in countries that actually care though and since the retard normalfag devs tie everything to their real life names through social media they are fucked. The server itself isn't going anywhere anytime soon though.

>>724332618
It was downhill after Wrath but WoD killed it for me. WoD made an already dying MMO feel like a shitty single player game.

>>724332618
2008, when they got bought by activision

>>724335505
Legion was retarded both story and game wise.

>>724339025
Sure, the story was retarded, but it concluded the Burning Legion storyline. Not much else worthwhile after that.

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>>724332618
>>724335129
>flying mounts
>hallway dungeons
>daily quests
>draenei retcon
>sharing paladin/shaman
>kaelthas a bad guy killed for no reason
>illidan a bad guy killed for no reason

I think the only real thing Burning Crusade did was revamp the talent trees a bit to give more reason to take the lesser-desired specs and trying to give all of them a place.

>>724332618
>Activision
>battlenet shop
>flying mounts
>dungeon/raid/battleground finder
>spell pruning
>removing class fantasy and making every class able to do the same thing
>furries
>metafaggots
>catering to women, minorities and lgbtniggers
>lore completely raped
>old beloved characters assassinated and replaced with zesty abominations
>Metzen becoming the biggest cuck in the history of this god forsaken company
There's like a thousand more reasons, but who cares at this point. Just pull the plug already and free these miserable 40+ year old freaks from their chains of obsession.

>>724332618
Most of the competent developers left Blizzard before BC

>>724332618
>fucks an entire genre and send it to oblivion

>>724340709
Dangerously based.

>>724332618
Cata

>>724334667
And she called Arthas a son of a bitch

>>724332618
flying mounts /thread

>>724339446
slave pens is less of a hallway than any wrath dungeon, wrath 5 mans are so fucking bad

>>724345431
It's OK when a mary-sue does it.

>>724332618
some would say Warlords of Draenor, but I believe we were seeing "wrong" as early as Cataclysm

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>What blizzard did
TBC invalidated the world and made the game much more based around instances while WOTLK trivialized casual content and Cata completely killed any sense of community
>What the community did
Compile all the data so that everyone knew the game inside out. The mystery is gone and remaining ignorant was punished socially.

I think WoW could have been good for another 6 or so years with different decisions but the community was always going to destroy the genre. I'm glad I got to experience vanilla WoW private servers before people made classic WoW content creation their fulltime jobs. Scriptcraft and Emerald Dream were buggy as fuck but it still felt like uncovering a mystery. Nostalrius was amazing though.

>>724346460
not really
the nexus one or whatever the fuck its called was non linear-y

>>724333067
They removed all chuds and replaced them with rainbow hair colored people

there were only 2 good versions of wow
vanilla and legion[/legion]
but fear not, classes are finally fun again in midnight

They never gave me a tauren wife.

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>>724347636
You can play the new HOMM for that

dungeon finder is where it finally dawned upon me I'm not the target audience

>>724347858
>nose ring
I cant fix her

>>724347545
it was another shitty timegate and garrison table expansion

>>724339446
Hey brother name the classic dungeon that isnt a hallway.

>hardmode: not brd, mara or ST

>>724334667
And they redacted it and took the word Bitch out because it was "problematic".

Ignoring that she was a bitch even then and then proceeded to genocide a race while killing a shitload of others, while attempting to or actually committing warcrimes.

>>724348117
Wailing Caverns?

>>724348117
WC
RFK/RFD
stratholme
scholomance
whatever, the list goes on

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>>724332618
bad game design

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>>724348780
horrible plot choices, sacrificing all the characters for a one time boss fight whos loot will become irrelevant next expansion

>>724332618
mythic+, the story was always mid and hyper focusing on wokesidequest was just annoying faggots who dont play games doing their normal thing

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>>724332618
There are many opinions, but it certainly has gone completely, totally, massively wrong to the point it cannot and will never be fixed.

>>724348864
They were doing that with naxx at least.

>>724332618
flying mounts

>>724332618
when women became involved in the development

women ruin everything because then it needs to be "equal" and "diverse" and cater to everyone, which effectively makes it a boring experience because they're afraid to offend people

>>724332618
tbc

>>724332618
Cataclysm. People can argue about TBC or WotLK issues all they want, but Cata was the point of no return. It's all been downhill since then. The moment they turned questing from "Enter new town, pick up any quest you want and do it in any order" to "Follow this railroaded questline throughout the entire zone" the game was doomed.

>>724349568
this is why warcraft 3 is the best warcraft game

>>724350137
>fetch quests dogshit that wastes a week once an expac
Doesn't matter at all

>>724332618
I'd say Flying Mounts and Blood Elves.
>Belves were way, way too bishounen and anime
>Combined with how generally weird and zany the world in TBC looked a lot of the cozy grounded atmosphere that Vanilla had just didn't exist in it
>Flying mounts removed too much area/space control and player interaction

It was salvegable during TBC and Wrath if they changed direction back towards a more vanilla direction but it was completely incurable in everything post-Wrath.
Thankfully private servers continue to pop up occasionally to produce a WoW that people actually enjoy playing.

>>724348509
WC is a series of hallways.
RFK and RFD both are two hallways that are just missing one wall. Both sides of Strat are hallways, one just loops back on itself.

I'll never forgive the censorship. The raider poopsocking and the exclusive limited bullshit etc.. but the game still had some good bits up through Legion (I stopped playing then). Even the Trader's Tender thing I've read about is in theory a good improvement - a way to get cosmetics and rare shit by playing the game over time, instead of buying collectible card games etc. However it seems so much of it was fucked up. Everything I read about BFA / Shadowlands / Dragonflight was....disappointing and it was obvious people from the Great Censorship of 2021 were in control for awhile at least. There's rumors that TWW and Midnight have/will fix some stuff, but I am skeptical. I'm glad to hear therew ill FINALLY be housing, something that RP players since the goddamn vanilla have been calling for, but what's the point if everything 'problematic' has been pared down away from the game?

>>724332618
Steve d'Anuser.

>>724350969
this
housing is one of the things i always wanted, its why i played WoD
but theres no point when the rest of the game is worthless

>>724350969
>>724351392
It feels like they're putting most of time, money and effort into housing. Everything else shown in Midnight seems pretty lackluster.

>>724350809
mara is 2 hallways that combine in the middle into one (hallway)
ST is a series of hallways that are on different floors to each other
brd is a series of hallways and mini hallways, locked by scripted doors
slave pens is a hallway with a few "open" hallways (tries to not look like a hallway while being one)

>>724351392
>>724351886
If they do it right I'd be very surprised, but I'm more worried they're going to basically going ensure that housing stuff is just another thing for the collect-a-thon or worse something to be bought on the game store. I reallyt hope its done well, but I am disappointed hearing stuff about Midnight where say... the Amani Forest Trolls are being ruled not by Zul'jin's grandson, but his sister girlbossing it up, and there's stories of how Danath Trollbane is being shaped as an ebil racist or something who needs to learn a lesson for not including them, possibly by the one armed, one eyed side shaved black woman who's now apparently the best hero that humanity has to offer or something. Fuck. Though I'd like to believe thatthis isn';t accurate, as I hear that TWW, Midnight, and the next expansion were designed after the Great Censorship and Metzen's return, it still needs to deal with everything put into place beforehand

>>724352315
every wrath dungeon is a dog shit boring cramped tunnel, easily the worst dungeons ever made

>>724349326
>misandrist kike feminists are just spitting in your face a little bro, give them money anyway

You can’t even /spit on people anymore

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>>724332618
3 major turning points
1: Actvision buyout in 2008 during WoTLK and the Trial of the Crusader patch
2: Warlords of Draenor, which was such a disaster that many of the old guard left completely.
3: Shadowlands. All old guard devs left at the company left during this expansion.

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WoW is coming to the Xbox
https://www.wowhead.com/news/world-of-warcraft-and-all-pc-games-coming-to-next-gen-xbox-console-per-windows-379034

>>724339446
I'm okay with most of that. The boss lore was questionable though. Zangarmarsh quests briefly telling me how important it is to keep the water from being drained, but also not emphasizing the urgency of stopping them immediately because I wasn't attuned.

Or Kael getting shot into space...somehow; and not just immediately captured.

>>724332618
Everyone says flying mounts but I say class design changes after WotLK. It made classes easier to balance but it left a lot on the table when it came to builds. People would just use cookie cutter builds anyway and after WotLK you had less personality.

At that point the only different between classes were spell effects. Even classes like the DK which were unique in their own right weren't that different from a warrior.

The profession and quest changes were needed. The stories of some zones were varying degrees of "ok" and a lot of the unique fantasy zones are debated this day but I think the unanimous talking point for a while was how all the classes played the same and it wasn't until the recent expansions did Blizzard add some variety back

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>>724355894
its not 100% confirmed but it might as well be. They've been dumbing down the game for the last few patches. One button rotation, removal of addons. It was obvious to most players a console release announcement was on the cards.
This was my fear as soon as Microsoft bought Blizzard. "They will dumb down the game and make a console port".

I imagine they forced all the masculine men out of the company or rounded off their edge as they hired more women (and gays) on and they gained power in the company
https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-great-feminization/

>>724339446
This. Then WotLK came in and dealt the finishing blow with dungeon finder

>>724348072
no it was the most fun. classes were fun, getting random legendaries and working on your artifact weapon was fun. pvp was fun. m+ was fun

>>724332618
Unironically, TBC.
Polishing the rough edges of vanilla was great but forgoing the vast open world (in WORLD of warcraft) was the biggest mistake in gaming history.

>>724357480
>dungeon finder
The fact that the people at Blizzard looked at the dungeon finder system and didn't immediately sack those involved with it says volumes about how little they understood what made WoW great.

I use sillytavern to make fixfics where my OC becomes Warchief and unfucks the Horde

>>724332618
the problem is actually in the dna of the game from the beginning. The base gameplay isn't fun unless you are dungeoning with people or doing pvp and the game abuses the reward center of your brain 99% of the time inbetween

This leads to the problem that the game can never be evergreen because repeating the content isn't fun the 2nd time. So they have to keep dropping expansions that degrade the game. Classic+ wouldn't done the least damage but then when people get bored of that then what?

The game had problems of course but the biggest thing for me and one thing that can't be fixed is the other people who play the game, the community made me stop playing the game and I bet it's only gotten worse since then

>>724357159
dual spec killed off any interesting specs

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>>724360147
That wasn't your OC, that was my FUARKING Warchief.

>>724332808
>kill Garrosh twice because problematic
>kill Varian because he hated Orcs
>Jaina is broken goods
>someone got pissed people made fun of wheelchair dragon, so they added wheelchair Kadghar
>story becomes little bitch Alliance blonde femboy wanting to bang an one-armed orc and little bitch Green Jesus just refusing to actually do any work and live off welfare, and women running everything

you know and I know the blood elf dude is living on borrowed time

>>724355894
they are gearing up for XBOX to get the Worldstone Saga. one button rotations and the cutting of a trillion things in Midnight pretty much shows their hand

>>724362229
good, that will mean more normal people playing wow like back then instead of the massive homos that watch critical role unironically

>>724362032
>Lor'themar is a complete non-character for 10 expansions
>suddenly, Lor'themar is a hard stancer who HATES the new hairy tree root trolls
Yep. We're speedrunning his villain arc so we can seige Silvermoon

>>724360401
>repeating content isn't fun the 2nd time
classic? the older games are so solved yet people are still playing that shit mode, there is nothing to do BUT repeat content

>>724348864
Holy retarded ESL image. What the fuck is this?

>>724355767
I'll never understand the level of addiction required to play WoW during or after Cataclysm.

Just let it go, they openly mocked everyone who played it new and old from then on and never stopped.

>>724350137
Questing was always shit.

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>They're actively killing add-ons and forcing people to use their shitty default UI
This is actually fucking bullshit and there's no excuse for it. It's one thing to not want people automating their rotations, it's another to eliminate choice entirely.

>>724362704
Why can't they do the updated UI and built-in addons with options to disable them and get whatever addons you want? Why are these """people""" like this?

>>724348864
my god, someone took the time to do all that and was wrong by the second paragraph, jesus christ

if you thought AQ40 or Naxx was "accessible", you were not playing the same game, it was prime for poaching because guilds didn't want to run older raids to gear up new characters because they'd just be poached.

>>724362704
I don’t think the default UI even has frames for your party, what the fuck are they doing

>>724348165
World-ending genocide is no excuse to be vaguely sexist.

>>724355894
This actually seems plausible given shit like >>724362704

It's the same kind of shit that happened to Marvel Heroes trying to dumb it down for consoles

>>724362838
because if they limit the information that goes out, they can build raids around it

like most of the raid boss encounters since like...BFA were really fucking bad and put so much reliance on using a third party addon to clear it. I think the latest raid was one of the few you could watch and still sort of understand what was going on, addon or not

Dungeon finder, mythic+, and obscene vertical gear progression (and constant resets) basically killed MMOs. There are a lot of things wrong with MMOs and even more things wrong with WoW in particular, but those are the specific things that basically sealed the deal on the death of this genre.

I say this as someone that loves minmax tryhard instanced content. It just was not good for the game the ways they've implemented it. Can't speak for the PvP side of things.

>>724362891
What did you expect from a retard third worlder who can barely write English coherently and uses fucking wojaks?

>>724332618
burning crusade

>>724362891
>muh vanilla raids were hard
niller please

>>724363160
>retard playing Classic Anniversary thinking everything was this easy
back then you had more than half the raid on dial-up, and the best tank on a computer that could barely run notepad. half the raid not knowing about thottbot and people running shit blind because there isn't a wowhead guide that tells you which pixel to stand on each phase. dbm and bigwigs just told you shit was going to happen, not where to stand or who to group with

stop putting modern technology into the game 20 years ago

>>724363578
wow came out in '04 bro, dialup was all but gone

>>724336793
>>724333038
>>724346958
>>724363080
TBC WAS NOT THE BEGINNING OF THE END. IT ACTUALLY STARTED IN VANILLA WHEN CERN LEFT AND THE JEWISH KID TOOK OVER AND STANDARDIZED RAID LOGGING. IF YOU WANT TO BLAME RAID LOGGING BEHAVIOR BLAME VANILLA. TBC WAS THE BEST EXPANSION THATS THE SAD PART. THE GAME AS A WHOLE DAMAGED THE GENRE FROM DAY 1

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>>724332618
Legion, or more accurately WoD when they decided to abandon the expansion entirely to do a hard right turn into Legion.

>>724360401
>the game abuses the reward center of your brain 99% of the time inbetween
And this is why you should never ever trust anyone who likes questing.

I have more fun with the game now than ever before. The writing still sucks though. Not as bad as it was under Danuser, but still bad.

>>724339446
>flying mounts
poorly implemented but at least TBC both limited it to Outland and made sure to make flying relevant to content (i.e. elemental plateau, faction hubs, Tempest Keep). Afaik it was also the only xpac to include flying hazards like the Legion flak cannons.
>hallway dungeons
they broke the dungeons into instanced wings. boo hoo nigga. people already split of BRD runs into small chunks.
>draenei retcon
was based.
>sharing paladin/shaman
the actual problem was not giving each class abilities unique to their race (they got scared because of fear ward)
>kaelthas/illidan a bad guy killed for no reason
Kael'thas and Illidan were both "bad guys" in WC3 but they were also the protagonists so your brain glazed over and figured "dey da good guise"

TBC set the precedent for the enshittening of WoW but overall it was fucking incredible

MY critiques being
>introducing unique "PvP stats" in the form of resilience
>raising the level cap
>not making flying MORE dynamic and involved in the open world (i.e. there needed to be more flying hazards like legion flak guns... like netherrays or some shit that could aggro you in the air)
and that's basically it... my praises far outweight the critiques. TBC is basically it's own unique experience now anyways, being released as a seasonal server.

>>724364832
and by
>raising the level cap
I mean THAT... AND all of the associated 2nd and 3rd order consequences (e.g. invalidating everything that's not Outland, which is a big issue).
And I DO agree flying was poorly implemented. Like it was tacked on a bit. Case-in-point the world pvp locations in Outland. Nullified by flying mounts. Just but those flying patrols around wpvp zones to knock people out of the sky.

>>724362665
Wrong. Vanilla questing is great.

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>>724332618
Was fucked from the beginning

>>724337464
Slavshit fun server where every class is broken in some way and the custom content is either mediocre or bad

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>>724332618
>Bought by activision and subsumed by their corporate culture
>Half of the boys club seemed to like sexually harassing the women at the workplace, including a cosby room
>Got lazier and lazier since more and more people were subbing regardless of amount of content or quality
>Heavily favored horde to the point that it did irreparable damage to faction balance
>Became exceedingly arrogant and assumed they could never be wrong so there would often be easily avoidable issues like a class warning they'd be OP and be nerfed later if they weren't properly attuned before x-pac launch
>Favored instanced content, raiding and as fast as possible ques over the entire game, killing all semblance of server culture and community
>Eventually the sexual harassment from activision comes out and blizzard gets caught up in it, a lot of the old boys get replaced or fired or too scared to complain
>Already been picking up activists and lgbt types in the game
>Now have free reign of the game, immediately pozz it and censor it as a pr stunt.
>Get bought out by microsoft
>Double down on dei, unsurprising considering the majority of their old guard seem to be gone and replaced with the rainbow squad and women
>Every new expac is now barely any content, instanced whether raids, delves or dungeons
>Every new expac is pozzed and idiotic, with less and less talent that impressed people previously
>Even have ultimate versions of xpacs now to sell the game a few days early for fomo, as well as selling mounts and armors in a cash shop, completely milking their remaining userbase
That's all i got off the top of my head. There'd be a lot more if I really thought about it and went through all the bullshit.

>>724332618
i did totc once and it fucking sucked and immediately unsubbed so thats my "Where did it go so wrong?"
but the writing was on the wall even from as early as 1.6, 1.9 and 1.11
dont get me wrong bwl was a decent raid but it was just one long fucking tunnel compared to molten core and all the 5man dungeons
AQ being split into 20/40 was the first sign of the cracks showing. blizzard catering to antisocial retards who cant guild up. zg being 25 doesnt really matter because its a catchup raid
then naxx added token drops which arent BAD theyre just more of a bandaid fix than a solution to 40 people all wanting specific item IDs
and when tbc came around invalidating the entirely of EK/kalimdor (except for paladin strat farms) it because a total fucking mess
go from zone to zone with breadcrumb quests right on the edge of each zone directing you to the next quest hub
the zones also werent BAD but were just too much of a course correction compared to vanilla
quests rarely if ever involve more than one zone unlike vanilla where some questlines spanned multiple zones to break up the pacing if you got bored of a zone
none of the areas in any of the zones ever had any challenge, risk or difficulty and were a huge fucking joke. like yeah i definitely want to disguise myself as a fucking crate and listen to some random demon dude phone his boss
then blizz doubled down with the tunnel layout and made all 5man content a W hold snoozefest
and then they added heroics
and then they shrunk raids down to 25 as standard
and then they added resilience
and then wrath came out and they removed random spells like starshards citing "bloat"
wrath did have some pretty fucking good zone design though dont get me wrong but at that point anyone still playing wow were the last people getting off the bus at the end of the day
and the people sticking around for cata/mop/wod are the homeless niggers living on buses

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The nostalgia goggles wore off at the end of Wrath.

>>724367935
>the nostalgia goggles wore off when 90% of the friends you were most likely playing with left because that expansion ended the story the RTSes started
really bold claim there

Catacalysm

>>724364832
>Afaik it was also the only xpac to include flying hazards like the Legion flak cannons.
They included flying hazards in the last patch of BfA, and people bitched about it relentlessly.

>>724332618
To be honest, probably TBC
>Flying mounts killed the open world
>everything started to focus on the 'endgame'

Because most people that hate WoW seem to want that classic experience again, even though classic showed you just can't have it anymore, more so than the game changing, the players changed more. Honestly phase 1 of SoD probably captured the classic wow experience better than anything.

If you like raids WoW is probably the best its ever been
if you like dungeons WoW is probably the best its ever been
If you like casually collecting shit then WoW is probably the best its ever been

If you looking for that open world, massive slow moving MMO where everyone is just chilling then WoW pretty much sucks.

>>724368846
>If you like raids WoW is probably the best its ever been
sadly no, there hasn't been a fun raid in ages.
>if you like dungeons WoW is probably the best its ever been
definitely not, since the best dungeon is BRD and it came in classic and has never been bested
>If you like casually collecting shit then WoW is probably the best its ever been
only thing you said that's true

>>724368846
This, most people who want that honestly kinda suck ass too. They'll just complain about random shit that makes no sense.
Like yeah dude molten core,equipping greens and a random purple drop that most likely sucks ass while leveling and dogshit dungeon design everyone hates was peak WoW.

>>724332618
>Transgender angels
>Transgender dragons
>Gay frogs
>Gay centaurs
>Nonbinary gods
>Magical floating wheelchairs
>Amputee black woman with millenial black haircut

This is all in world of warcraft. And you're asking me where it went wrong? The instant activision got involved.

>>724368846
TBC without flying mounts would fix everything. I think they should do that but make it to where you can get to Tempest Keep without a flying mount. Would be kino

>>724369350
>Gay frogs
I genuinely hate this more than anything else listed. If these people were just putting in what they wanted and trying to make things cool I would understand, but doing this is just being petty to try to own le chuds.

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>>724332618
>ruins your favorite game forever

>>724370208
What an Elitist Jerk

>>724370208
He's got such a punchable face, fucking hell.

>>724350950
>deactivates neurons

>>724370305
I had the same reaction to Faerin desu. I actively wish she was one of those lore characters that disappears after their introductory expansion

>>724370208
I like how the guy just made a game that's only for the fucking nerds who want to mythic raid all day and completely forgot to add anything else substantial.

Was always boring, dunno what people saw in it

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>>724370283
>T. wannabe tough guy who thinks that he can punch anyone!
You're dumb and you're butt hurt!

Your ass would get destroyed in less 5 seconds!

>>724370621
world of warcraft was once a legit fun game. No main plot, but enough story to keep curiosity generated. Every class had a unique mechanic that made them desired by others. The zones were big, the music was amazing, the dungeons were fun, the combat was simple-yet-fun. A game doesn't become a genre titan from being "Boring".

>>724332808
i heard there is a new quest where you throw stones at his grave

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Fellowship has a lot of potential to kill off WoW weekend warriors that spam dungeons with the bros and a beer it's just too bad they have retarded devs too

>>724366289
No it's not, it fucking sucks and always fucking sucked. You're a broke brain retard being yoked around by the fact that chores drip feed you dopamine.

>>724332618
fired most staff after release.
>>724333067
Writers were only kinda good because they were bitter nerds who fell into the "Tortured artist" trope then they found themselves working for an IP that was starting to snowball into top 1% PC game status and life was good all of a sudden. They dont want negativity in their games anymore because life is good they had good money and a family now, they wanted their young daughters to enjoy the games too so they made female design rated PG

>>724337906
I remember some anon on here saying "HURRR TWOW IS FUCKED". Meanwhile, I'm still playing. The Blizzard marketers on this board are full of shit.

>>724362573
wow had a dozen million people playing it, just because a few percentage points of those people were willing to return to sameshit to some degree doesn't mean it was a viable for the game to proceed. If it was classic would still have a few million players.

The Burning Crusade. They should have just added high elves to the alliance and whatever race to the horde. Shamans should be horde only and paladins alliance only

>>724371628
that would be too obvious, hacks think you always need to be subverting expectations or you are a hack.

>>724370812
>simping for Ion
How embarrassing.

>>724364832
>Kael'thas and Illidan were both "bad guys" in WC3 but they were also the protagonists so your brain glazed over and figured "dey da good guise"
Kael'Thas did nothing wrong at all
>Helped the Night Elves fight the undead
>Followed orders from Alliance leaders despite them being bullshit
>Got betrayed by a possessed human leader
>Rescued his people from mass execution
>fought a bunch of demons
>tried to stop Arthas from reaching the frozen throne

>>724371858
>>Got betrayed by a possessed human leader
>>>possessed human leader
What? Who are you talking about, Garithos? Guy was just an asshole, not possessed? Haven't played WC3 in ages, so I can't think of any other human leader that would betray Kael'thas.

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>>724368046
>>724367935
>People act like it was killing arthas that made them go "yeah games over" when all the mass quits happen between Ulduar and TotC

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when jews got their hands on it and started replacing "goblins are jews" with "draenei ar ejews and are the most moral people and fight evil and we re all in this together stormwind must learn to be multicultural heres shattrath a camp of immigrants refugees etc etc"
its a this precis emoment the game became a rushed sack of shit. the comparison with classic fucking hurts. just do some random ass classic dungeon and compare it to any tbc dungeon. from rpg to popcorn slave treadmill

>>724371286
Why would they put this freak in their announcement trailer? They stand to lose way more than they'd gain with a move like this.

>>724362454
To your surprise anon, the elves of quel'thalas have always hated the amani trolls. They showed up and took a bunch of amani land for their capital and the trolls are still sore over it. Best part is so far there's no lefty concession of land so far in beta and just them telling the amani to deal with it.

>>724371628
What is the obsession with adding high elves the alliance
>99% of them just became blood elves
>said blood elves got betrayed and left for dead by the alliance

>>724355894
The actual news is that the next Xbox is just a walled garden windows PC that only retards will buy. Fuck Wowhead for knowingly misleading retards with this clickbait shit, they knew exactly what they were doing and the way shit goes nowadays you're never going to be able to get everyone to understand what is actually happening, thousands of floor licking downies are going to run around believing and spreading the idea that WoW is being ported to Xbox

>>724371990
He was possessed by one of the 3 dreadlords. You free him from its control in the mission where you take back Lorderon with Sylvanis (though yes it does turn out he is also a cunt anyway).

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Does Blizzard have a plan beyond the Titans, or have they already realized they cannibalized their IP beyond repair?

>>724372437
Void Lords.

>>724371990
There is one stage where he gets brainwashed but that's well after the incident with Kael'thas, when it came to the elves he was just a pure asshole.

>>724372529
Didn't they kill them already off-camera?

>>724372427
Wowhead is a fucking disgrace nowadays. Yea, sure, it was never anything that great to begin with, but the endless clickbait and worthless articles they spew nonstop are atrocious.

>>724370208
wtf why did he do TBC for??????

>>724332618
DF+TWW >>>> WRATH+TBC
Tbc and wrath have done so much damage to this series is not even funny

>>724370208
>implying WoW was my favorite game ever

>>724373308
TBC was the best expansion but its not saying much. You have brain damage if you think DF/TWW is better than TBC. Really if you played this past Cata launch you have brain damage. That was the last chance they got from most sane people.

>>724332808
>midnight beta, gamon has a quest where he ask you to go to his tomb and bring a piece back of his weapon(?) to make sure he is dead
>he also mentions how the warsong clan goes every week to spit on his grave
this shit doesnt even make sense, his grave is in another dimension (AU draenor)

>>724363058
>BFA
since fucking wod, remember archimonde and his 500 lightbeams that needed to be aligned

>>724373646
Do you seriously expect the seething retards at Blizzard to make any sense?

vanilla: a world where you can do stuff
tbc and onward: a world the developers want you to do this stuff in particular

Adding portals to every capital city was a fucking mistake. Just rapes the world in the long run.

>>724373646
>gamon, an irrelevant NPC that people sometimes kill when they enter the inn
>"brooo what if he was le epic bad ass and a heavy lore character?"
enough of this shit

TBC ruined questing.

>>724373863
i mean, i expected to at least know the basics of the previous expansions, whats next, they are going to bring back varian because they forgot he got disenchanted in legion?

>>724332618
flying in games doesn't work unless the genre is about flying

terrain was an evolution of corridors in games, but steep terrain is a different looking wall when it comes to level and encounter design
you can just ignore the concept of walls when you have flight, ruining level design, ruining encounter design, ruining quests, ruining traversal in general
a wall being an obstacle is a core tenant of games that aren't based on destroying walls

>>724332618
It didn't.
It was peak gaming from 2005-2009. Great game, unique and amazing for the time. Every attempt to go back to it and subsequent expansions were ass.

>>724373939

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>>724332618
When it was created. The smart ones left Bliz and created a better game.

>>724332618
time travel.
you could come back from anything but this

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>>724371559
>they wanted their young daughters to enjoy the games
Kinda ironic that their daughters only exist because their fathers made bank with elves in bikinis. It's easy to put your foot down when you're in your 20's or 30's but when you're in your 50's with a family you kinda tend to say fuck it all let it burn because you've already got your sacks of gold.
In a way, the colored armpit hair trannies and feministas got what they wanted, but they're now exposed as the failures that they are given how the game is doing. Sure, they're milking the fuck out of the prisoners still playing but the game isn't what it used to be, not even close. It's no longer a cultural phenomenon.

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>>724372026
>when jews got their hands on it and started replacing "goblins are jews" with "draenei ar ejews and are the most moral people and fight evil and we re all in this together stormwind must learn to be multicultural heres shattrath a camp of immigrants refugees etc etc"
Ah fuck.

>>724364832
>Kael'thas and Illidan were both "bad guys" in WC3
Kael was never a bad guy. At worst he was Adversarial to fucking Arthas and he isnt any hero.

>>724375730
>so good nobody plays it and devs had to add NPC bots

Flying mounts in TBC was the first misstep. This effectively destroyed the player's relationship to the game world. Also introduced dailies with Sunwell Plateau.

Wrath introduced cross-realm matchmaking for instances. This destroyed the sense of server identity and people's reputations on it. (High trust environment deteriorating)

These problems never got solved with subsequent expansions and new ones were added on top with each one. I'll only ever play Classic vanilla through Wrath as TBC and Wrath are still enjoyable, but those core problems combined with all the other ones from the expansions that followed are just too much.

>>724367935
>the movie ended at the end of the movie
okay

>>724374054
tbc still had vanillas questing, plain and simple
wotlk ruined it with gay vehicles and phasing shit

>>724337401
I do play my 60 but gearing just for everything to be deleted next month is kinda meh. I wanted to roll a tank too. Fuck blizz.

>>724355894
It was clear, given addition of one-button assist and gamepad support. Microsoft influence no doubt.

>>724372012
this. also the conclusion to Arthas' story and their handling of the Lich King in general was a fucking joke, and anybody who actually played Warcraft 3 was embarrassed by it. only people who started playing in TBC or Wrath hold it up highly. the population "peaking" in Wrath wasn't even really a peak, it was more like a plateau of the growth during vanilla and TBC. Wrath actually killed the game's momentum.
and I say that as someone who thinks Ulduar and ICC were some of the highest points of the game. but the nostalgia goggles for it are strong.

>>724332618

Gold buyers not getting permabanned (instead just getting a slap-on-the-wrist 2 week ban, sometimes not even losing the gold KEK) > bots > game is P2W (except Hardcore and, to a lesser extent, Anniversary realms)

I still found the game perfectly fine until Dragonflight. But everything they've added since then has been unbearable for me
>skyriding
>trading post
>dracthyr
>new talent system
>remix
>plunderstorm
>delves
It's not even that I don't like them. Their existence bothers me so much that I would rather not play retail ever again

>>724380863
>game is P2W (except Hardcore and, to a lesser extent, Anniversary realms)
The vast majority of anni naxx raiders are swipers and are gatekeeping out anyone who doesn't also swipe, unless they spend an absurd amount of hours farming gold for consumes each week

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tranny generals for tranny games made by tranny companies belong in
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/

>>724380565
>Wrath actually killed the game's momentum
wrath got around 12 million peak right? how can you be so sure that there was even any more momentum and subscriber increase to achieve? 12 million people is a lot and i really dont think it wouldve gotten much higher than 13, 14 or even 15 million

>>724381392
the game grew from 8 million to over 11 million during TBC, and then from 11.5 million to 12 million during Wrath. I mean, yeah, who knows, maybe it never would have reached much higher, you might be right. but just taking it at face value, that's a pretty significant loss in growth.

my guild is currently 13/15 on naxx, will people just stop signing up for raids once we kill kelthuzard?

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>>724381660
growth can and will eventually stop at some point and imo wrath at 12mil was the stopping point
even today a game like roblox (until this summer recently) was going between an 8mil and 13mil peak and trough and thats with phones, consoles, PCs and a much much wider and available internet market
wind back the clock 15-17 years; wow is only playable on a PC and requires a subscription
i really dont think wow would've gotten any bigger even if wrath wasnt as shitty

>>724381765
yes thats usually the goal for boomers unless its some egirl who thinks shes getting atiesh

>>724381069

Correct, however this is still at least one degree of separation that is Era/retail, where you can flat out pay for gear with Gold. At the very least if you're a shitter you cannot buy yourself in to most raids, unless you're attending some shady GDKP (gold DKP) runs which cannot even advertise openly

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>>724381350
And trannies ruined it by making it woke and censoring gender with "body type".

>>724332618
after arthtas died
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTSK5waNs8

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>>724333067
This was on the front page of the WoW website, which was really fun to navigate. You don't know what you have until it's gone.

>>724332618
Burning Crusade
The vanilla game was as good as it gets but it had a lot of issues. Vanilla is essentially unfinished. Instead of finishing the game and fleshing it out they released a piece of shit expansion. The entire outlands map sucks. The quests suck. Illidan sucked as a villain. Flying completely ruined the game.
Wrath was a good expansion with a better map, better quests and they dialed down the flying. But it was already too late.

The shitty panda expansion was the point of no return. If you played the panda expansion you need to kill yourself.

>>724332618
In vanilla when they started focusing on raids and battlegrounds instead of the world, quests and dungeons.

>>724332808
I always loved him!

>>724384905
TBC felt great to get stronger and get more gear. You got blues from the end of long quest chains, you had to run regular dungeons until you wear geared enough to run heroics which were actually hard, you had the long attunement which required long quest chains that took you through multiple zones and dungeons until you took on Kharazhan which eventually got you geared to take on Magtheridon and Nightbane. A lot of players with T3 skipped a lot of these steps but it was very rewarding and well structured. When all of this was removed in Wrath it felt so hollow and boring.

>>724332618
>Where did it go so wrong?
Libtroonies wanting to invade themselves into spaces and ruin games to their own liking,.

>>724333501
>they got old
>lost their cojones
>implying it's still the same people
retard

>>724384905
you'd think all the needed to do with vanilla is just release patch after patch, some major ones, some small ones, without this expansion bs

but if you think about it that's how the game companies work, they cannot handle the constant strain of "forever under development", they're used to start from the beginning and race through the dev cycle with a big red finish ribbon to cross
they can't help themselves, this is their trusted pattern of how they "make games"
the mmo philosophy completely fucked blizzard over

>>724363768
About 30% of US households used dial-up internet in 2004, retarded zoomer.

>>724368363
this is one of the issues of pivoting your revenue from regular players to whales.
whales are more likely to pitch a fit (and corporate sees this is a potential hit to $$$) when you dont cater the game to their every whim.
I suspect the people who bitch and complain about a video game instead of just playing a different one are the same sort of people to spend a gorillion dollars on ingame funkos.

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>>724381778
>i really dont think wow would've gotten any bigger even if wrath wasnt as shitty
agreed. it really just peaked right there and then

>>724391284
if only vanilla sky (kek) wasn't such a blurry mess

>>724372336
All the blood elves left their home and went to Outland. What is the obsession with adding them to the Horde?

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>>724391709
its good, we zug

>>724372565
Nothing says how long he was mind controlled. And it stands to reason he was used to tear the Alliance apart.

>>724388723
Could you write that in English?

>>724332618
It was never good

TBC

Vanilla quest and character progression was much more organic and immersive.

>>724362590
You know it's a real WoW fan.

>>724332618
It's fucking 2 decades old. I really don't know what you were expecting here. For it to be awesome forever?

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there's no more good mmo's are there?

Gone, like tears in rain.

>>724393934
mmos don't work in the current internet climate, everyone is too much of a cunt
if riot ever finishes theirs they need to take some really hard measures on data mining to stop the mystery instantly being destroyed

>>724394219
Yeah data mining and "early access" really fucked the genre up. Mechanically speaking I thought Ashes of creation might have a decent fresh take on things, but they are clearly going the AOE spam shitfest that every game has done for over a decade.

>>724332618
Sold to Activision and TBC.

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>>724381392
>>724381660
wow subs are hard to actually quantify because of chinese fuckery. china had/has a culture of going to cybercafes to play games. people would rent a computer at the cafe, and a portion of revenue was paid out to the game developers based on the amount of time people played games at the cafe. anyone who made a wow account for 1 second was deemed a subscriber

china also got wotlk years after na/europe. the chinese government didnt like the bones and zombies and demanded blizz censor everything. in 2010 blizz finally finished replacing gore with bread and launched wotlk in china, giving them a huge boost in subs

>>724332618
>Where did it go so wrong?

Retooling the game every damn expansion, completely upending the meta. Had a blast playing Classic, cleared Naxx, got a Thunderfury, yadda yadda. Felt good playing king-shit warrior tank, and then it got entirely upended in TBC and just felt like shit getting clobbered by bosses and getting swapped out for a bear, and this happens every fucking expansion. Your character who was good and had a fun way of being played suddenly ends up having their entire style reworked and now you're mid-tier even playing the best you can.

The nature of live service is you have to constantly be tweaking things, but WoW just felt like getting rat fucked every time they release an expansion.

>>724372026
Draenei are roughly based on the Armenian genocide.
They’re Christian coded and their language is pseudo-Greek with words like “Christor”

>>724394219
They really need to just abuse lawfare to shutdown datamining honestly
C&D every site or forum discussing or sharing datamined content
DMCA takedown every Youtuber talking about datamined content
Sue everyone making tools to datamine the game
and be EXTRA relentlessly aggressive about all of it. Get that chilling effect and fear established right out of the gate, before the game is even out

>>724372209
They genuinely believe in their hearts that it's not just a fetish.

>>724332618
Release
I wish it had never come to me

>>724390265
>from regular players to whales.
You mean from raidfags to casual players? The game was objectively at its best when it catered to casual players, and at its worst when it catered to hardcore faggots. Now that it is going back to casual oriented play it's actually good again.

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We stopped playing WoW around WoD or Cata. We’re not going back, especially after the breast milk scandal and the fruit bowls. And did you hear what the jailer did to the sigils? We are so sick of Shadowlands. Oh well, off to Ifrit!

>>724395923
there's no such thing as a "casual" player like you fags call it.
Both of you, either self-labeled "casual" or "hardcore" are straight up retards.
The average player doesn't bitch. They either play because the game is objectively good or they play a different game.

>>724394219
>mmos don't work in the current internet climate, everyone is too much of a cunt

That's the nature of any game where the most interesting thing you can do is fuck with other people, and leads to the cunt death spiral where the only people playing are cunts preying on normies, who eventually fuck off to play something where they don't have to deal with cunts, which leads the cunts cannibalizing each other, creating an increasing toxic and insular community of assholes who get off on this shit or are trapped in a sunk cost fallacy.

>>724395652
we would still talk about it here you retard

>>724396253
this place is not immune to DMCA

>>724392049
Because you're left with all of Quel'thalas on the world map and... what, should there just be no Elves in the greatest (albeit ruined) Elf civilization in-universe?
Second, Outland is a fucking wasteland. The only benefit is that the Elves can suck up their magic crack straight from the sky. Should the High Elves which have canonically existed for 10,000 years in Quel'thalas really be relegated to being slaves of Kil'Jaeden forever (Kael'thas was already gigaSatan's bitch in WC3 - fighting the Lich King was just doing errands for gigaSatan, all for more elves to die)?

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>>724395439
the skeleton thing will never not be funny to me

>>724396515
>Because you're left with all of Quel'thalas on the world map and... what, should there just be no Elves in the greatest (albeit ruined) Elf civilization in-universe?
You think just like some retard on the WoW team.
>Of course there should be tons of orc clans on Draenor! So what if Draenor got destroyed in a previous game? Well we'll just travel back in time so this theme park can exist in WoW.

>>724398423
Non-sequitur

>>724398474
You gave 0 reasons for blood elves
1. being in Quel'thalas
2. being in the Horde

>>724398539
>Being in Quel'thalas
The Scourge couldn't conceivably kill ALL of them
Kael'thas couldn't conceivably take ALL of them
That said the plot at the start of TBC is that Kael'thas is trafficking his space crack demon juice back to Quel'thalas to rebuild. Is there anything in WC3 that would imply he wouldn't do this?
>Being in the Horde
The player factions as of TBC were not these inviolate united confederations. Just loose alliances. To the Blood Elves, the humans burned their bridges. SYLVANAS WINDRUNNER convinced them to "join the Horde" for mutual defense.
Which means the real question youre asking is
>why did the Forsaken join the Horde
Again, because it's just a mutual defense pact.

>>724332618
In retrospect, it was TBC.

>arena ruined bg's forever and turned pvp into a hyper competitve faggotry
>TBC was it's own little content island and that made the entirety of azeroht, beside kazarhan useless for the player
>buffed hybrid classes so much they were better than core classes
>complete shat on the establitlitished lore
>flying

>>724399161
>>arena ruined bg's forever and turned pvp into a hyper competitve faggotry
To be fair, BGs weren't that great either. They ruined world PVP in vanilla. Blizzard tried to fix that with open world objectives like the EPL towers and Silithus sandlol, but those failed miserably.

>>724399310
Yea because wpvp sucks, bgs were better.

>>724357480
>shitting on automated dungeon grouping
oh yeah I really fucking love waiting 30 minutes advertising only to sit in a party that disbands because no healer.
IMO they didn't go far enough that shit, should make group finding for EVERYTHING. Fuck gatekeeping niggers. I want to terrorize elitist with dumb monkeys who bomb their raid and suddenly they're terrified of ever clicking the button.
I want to end content selling. I want these god damn sweatlords to feel like their being thrown into the minefields in 'nam

>>724357480
>dungeon finder
Did really kill this game, I remember when people greeted each other when they joined a group.

>>724398767
>The Scourge couldn't conceivably kill ALL of them
>Kael'thas couldn't conceivably take ALL of them
Some escaped to Kalimdor along with Jaina or other Alliance expeditions
The rest were imprisoned and executed by Garithos
Stragglers can't make a whole faction
Even when you look at it conceptually, when you have high elves in Kalimdor and blood elves as an independent faction joined up with Illidan/Naga, another blood elf superfaction in Silvermoon is superfluous
>Kael'thas is trafficking his space crack demon juice back to Quel'thalas to rebuild
Kael and his elves are enemies with the ones in Silvermoon so that's moot

>mutual defense
So these blood elves went back to the super hostile place they were just driven out of, in much smaller numbers, abandoning their naga/draenei/demon/fel orc allies for the sake of... trying to defend themselves? Doesn't make a lick of sense

>>724332618
Pandas

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High elves should have been a hostile faction that needed a rep grind to become friendly to allow character creation, then have high elven society split into high elves (opposed to using fel magic) joining the alliance and blood elves (fel junkies) joining the horde, with Quel'Thalas as a neutral city. WoW works better when there is not an all out war between Alliance and Horde.

>>724388901
If WoW was made today it would just be WoW with no expansions. Instead of expansions you'd get a new ''season'' like Fortnite which is just an update to the game.
WoW having expansions is a product of its time because that's how everyone did updates to games. Expansions were before DLC even. The only way you could get more content for games was through expansions. You couldn't simply update the game. Everything new was through a portal.

Once they were stuck with expansions they couldn't change the model.

>>724400784
Pandaria had phenomenal zones, raids, and music though

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I want them to do classic+ so bad but I know they'll fuck it up.

>>724332618
started going wrong in a couple places after Vanilla
>TBC's ridiculous attunements requirements and rep grinds
>WotLK hard mode, dungeon finder, store mounts and more rep grinds
>Cata's raid finder
>Mist of Pandaria added gay pandas
and it was over then

It had been going down hill since TBC, but Legion was the final nail in the coffin. People like to hype up Legion, but it was the biggest piece of dogshit Blizz has ever released.

>>724401267
>rep grind
fuck you

>>724401669
WoW classic doesn't need a Classic + don't fall for the trannies delusions

>>724401850
WoD was a fantastic expansion. It filtered millions.

in TBC when they decided that the best way to make an expansion was to make the entire rest of the game completely irrelevant.

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>>724332618
the problem is like any good product in America: all the people that would make the product better are hopelessly addicted to it so the people who aren't addicted to it are college grads that only read about game making in books. grads get hired, add bullshit and everything goes tits up.

name some American products that didn't fail after the inventor left/soldout/died. WD-40, costco hotdog... uh...im really trying to think here... i can't think of anything else. everything goes to shit.

>>724402017
>rep grind
Well, a long quest chain with a dungeon/raid at the end to help them liberate the fucked up half of Quel'thalas would be better.

>>724401669
>classic+ gay centaurs
Can't wait

>>724402017
>WoW classic doesn't need a Classic +
What does it need? I want more classic wow but I don't want them to loop the existing expansions forever (mostly because I don't care about anything post Wotlk and even TBC already has things I don't like). I want new stuff based on the old stuff.

>>724332618
>Where did it go so wrong?
Irvine, California.

>>724373542
>if you played this past Cata launch you have brain damage. That was the last chance they got from most sane people.
Truer word have never been said.

>>724332808
Nu-WoW sucking ass doesn't make less-nu-WoW suck any less. Garrosh was completely mishandled starting halfway through Cata and only ever got worse.

>>724402737
>What does it need?
it needs to be free to play so the next generation of normies can experience the game
do the shit you haven't got to do in Classic yet and then pass the torch to the next generation and move on, get a wife and raise children then teach em how to play WoW
be a little creative anon

>>724348117
>mara
The part anyone actually cared about was literally a fucking hallway.

>>724400524
>Kael and his elves are enemies with the ones in Silvermoon so that's moot
Not until your Blood Elf PC (or any PCs, I guess) discover what the fuck Kael is actually doing in Outland.

>>724348117
The Stockade. it's two hallways.

>>724359825
Yes, what made WoW great was spending 3 hours looking for people to run a single dungeon. If dungeon finder didn't exist, you'd complain about summoning stones ruining the immersion instead. Retard.

>>724401669
They already did. The problem is everyone has a different idea what that looks like and Blizzard doesn't have any creatives left who can deliver something the community at large didn't know they wanted even if they didn't get their dream update.

>>724403842
>retarded cocksucker is unironically defending this fucking shite
Kill yourself, you fucking subhuman.

>>724332618
>Where did it go so wrong?
Shadowlands.
I don't even play WoW.
You just know.

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>>724401669
>I want them to do classic+
they already did
>I know they'll fuck it up.
they already did

every fucking day until you fuckers learn: the problem isn't the game, the problem is blizzard.

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You now remember Nightmare Incursions.

>>724363578
>>retard playing Classic Anniversary thinking everything was this easy
It was. You didn't need to be skilled to clear AQ or Naxx, there is nothing challenging in those raids. What you needed was first and foremost an ungodly amount of time. The comparatively best players of OG WoW are all complete fucking dogshit by any metric and they still cleared it just fine.
Oh and concerning the technological advancements, OG WoW was much, much more permissible concerning macros and addons, up to and including fully automating your entire character. And addons doing exactly what modern addons do existed back then too, it was just that you didn't really need them for most anything in the game.
Vanilla wasn't hard. Ever.

>>724366289
Vanilla questing doesn't exist. The majority of xp you gained in Vanilla was via grinding. Quests and their rewards were an afterthought.

>>724404278
>game economy crashes from all the free gold and bots get fucked over
that's a good thing

>>724372336
>betrayed and left for dead by the alliance
Literal headcanon.

>>724332808
The game was fucked by the time this guy was even in the game, and fucked beyond all repair by the point he was even important, so, no, not really.

their only fucking hope to save classic was for the anniversary realm to start in tbc. Them starting in vanilla killed it as sod literally just got to 60 and fucking hardcore just happened, complete retardation and everyone wanted tbc man. Like idk if i can just start in tbc with everything skyhigh and getting spawncamped in hfp, i suppose we will see if i get the urge to play

>>724403968
Guess I hit a bit to close to home, didn't I.

>>724333125
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/omls1HJMZYk

I only just found out they made Chromie trans in a fucking fantasy game. Also they fucked my boy Khadgar, why is he in a fucking pink magical wheelchair?

>>724348864
>>724348780
It's astonishing that Kaplan made it 2 decades in the industry and didn't have a positive impact on a single thing at any point. I can't believe one man had such a negative effect on the entire MMO industry and is almost single-handedly responsible for so much of it going to shit.

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>midnight isn't even out yet and the housing system has been so nerfed (down to a 24 housing unit cap) you can't even replicate the house they made in the demo (40 units)
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
you have to be LEGITIMATELY braindead to still give this scam company any money. honestly, blizztroons are cucks of the highest order.

>>724405884
No fucking way. How? Why? I know they're retarded, but they can't be THIS fucking retarded.

>>724405939
a suit probably saw the load it was having on their servers and decided to do what suits to best: cut corners and cut costs

>>724332618
Nothing really, it's just an old MMORPG so people are tired of it. Happens to them all.

>>724406016
Does Blizzard even use server blades anymore or have they switched to cloud servers?

>>724332618
tbc

>>724406165
pretty sure it's all cloud, their servers are basically homogeneous now because of how the phasing system works

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>>724405884
>Classes gutted
>Addons gutted
>Story gutted
>Raids gutted
>Now the one selling point for MIDnight is getting gutted too

>>724406823
>>Addons gutted
this is a good thing thougheverbeitsibly

>>724407342
it would be if blizzard put any effort into replacing what was taken out.
Default nameplates are still absolute garbage even in the Midnight Alpha

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>>724405884
Houses are embarrassingly tiny now. And in usual Blizzard fashion they'll keep the system broken on purpose so they can fix it at the end of the xpac for "they're listening!!!!" good will from the morons still paying for this glorified patch and/or go "nobody engaged with this" and then stop its development. Fucking embarrassment of a company.
Best case scenario is a premium subscription that includes bigger housing capacity.

>>724407813
>different subscription tiers
Could unironically see that happening at some point. Blizzardrones would defend it too.

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>>724407813
>4 fucking rooms
HIV's entire housing system is an unironic scam to keep you foreversubbed and they couldn't even top their system. JESUS CHRIST what is blizzard FUCKING DOING

>>724405884
>>724406823
It's a fucking shitshow
Addons & classes killed and one button assistant made for xbox players

>>724403842
Dumbest nigger of the thread award

>>724364832
>the actual problem was not giving each class abilities unique to their race (they got scared because of fear ward)
you never played the game retard zoomer faggot

>>724406823
I haven't played in a while now but did the official UI ever unify the bags or do you still rummage around 5 different windows?

>>724401669
looks like Guild Wars

>>724334452
wow was literally made for casuals
it was built from the ground up to be casual friendly in comparison to its contemporaries

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>>724407497
ehhhhh, I mean, yeah that's fair enough I guess, can't argue with that

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>>724333125
Here's a zoomed out perspective
Also specified OSRS since its the more popular version

>>724413450
>GW2's spike was twice as big as the so-called "great shadowlands exodus"
FUCKING
LMAO

>>724401520
i want to genocide all pandababs