Are visual novels videogames?
No.
YES
Is Rin wife material?
No.They belong to /tv/
>>724361237Most of them have no gameplay and therefore aren't.Some of them do and therefore are.
>>724361537No. Only Irisviel and Sakura are wife material. Honorable mention to Reika. Artoria is for lesbians only.
>>724361537No. Her anus is too indefensible.
>>724362958Most of them do have gameplay though. Making choices in a branching storyline is gameplay. Only kinetic novels don't, and sure, I'd agree that those aren't videogames.
Recommend some obsucure great VN, I am itching to read something new.
>>724365331Of the Devil is sitting at about 1350 reviews.
>>724365331I don't know if it counts as obscure, but Symphonic Rain is fairly niche
>>724361237Visual novels are this for guys.
>>724363912
>>724361237yes
>>724361237Yes they are are Click Adventures
How many heroic spirits past the original F/SN actually follow this rule?
are kojima games movies?
>>724366561All Counter Guardians are Heroic Spirits, but not all Heroic Spirits are Counter Guardians.
>>724361237Yes and you should be banned for asking dumb questions.
>>724366742>>724366561Like most heroic spirits become servants through the sheer power of their legend alone. They die and the end up in the Throne of Heroes. Only Counter Guardians sign a contract with the planet in exchange for power or some sort of miracle.
>>724365452Official of fan TL?
>>724366742Did you read the image?>... Yeah. The Servant system uses heroic spirits, guardian spirits.This clearly states that guardians (occasionally called counter-guardians) are heroic spirits.What the image is pointing out is that according to the original F/SN, most heroic spirits either gained the power to become a hero or something else in exchange for becoming a heroic spirit/guardian after they die. The scene in the image is part of the revelation that Saber is actually still alive and not yet a heroic spirit. This is the real reason she cannot dematerialize into spirit form like other servants (she lied about Shirou not having enough mana to allow her to do this) and this is also why Archer says in the HF route that she is not a guardian. The only other example of a servant that was not a heroic spirit/guardian is Assassin and that is because he was a familiar based on a myth that was summoned using the servant system (an advanced familiar system designed by the Makiri clan).
What did Nasu mean by this?
I'd say VN's with actual choices and branching paths are as much video games as your average Telltale game was.Now the kinetic VN's with no choices that you just plop in and read....thats just a flat out book with pictures desu.
>>724361237Videogames?
>Shirou vs Saber is the main point of the scene in the VN>The movie changes it to being more about Rider vs Saber with inserted action with no regard for the cramped space in the caveWhy?
>>724365765No. The equivalent of that is random WEGs.
>game remade twice>still untouched and unknown to the faggot normies
>>724370124"Random WEGs" don't have hours of walls of text before the sex (which is extremely important to the plot/character development BTW).
>>724361237Does this look like gameplay to you?https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1974652437412843520/vid/avc1/1280x720/CVOIFrC9_2fv9fFs.mp4
>>724369874>Shirou vs Saber is the main point of the scene in the VNOnly in the bad ending
>>724370279No, that looks like a link that I won't click
>>724370347it's just labeled end
>Kirei is unable to be redeemed due to his innate evil nature>unless he is a girl, in which case she can be redeemed through sex
>>724370279Yeah, it looks like a cool QTE actually. Would play.>>724370360It's completely safe for work.
>>724365331https://store.steampowered.com/app/2899980/Graces_Posthumous_Wish/Not too long, not too short, not pozzed, great art, interesting characters, several endings.
>>724370901Caren was born a sadist and a masochist though. If given the opportunity, she has the potential to be just as evil as her father.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_FXCpFYerE
>>724361237No, neither are walking sims.
>>724366561>>724367446It feels like there's something getting lost in translation there, with imprecise language, or in the wider context of the scene.Saber and Archer both made a contract with The World to become Heroic Spirits, but their circumstances are exceptional even within F/SN. It's not at all a typical thing and I can't think of any other characters who did this, Heroic Spirits earn their status by merit (as Saber would have) or notoriety. Nasu loves setting up "rules" to break them but I wouldn't even consider this a "rule."My best justification is that Nasu might have been imagining that there ought to be many more "Nameless Heroic Spirits" like Archer, but this idea never really went anywhere because the whole premise and appeal of the series is summoning actual known heroes and mythological/historical figures to battle.>The only other example of a servant that was not a heroic spirit/guardian is Assassin and that is because he was a familiar based on a myth that was summoned using the servant systemTrue Assassin is also somewhat an example, since "Hassan-i-Sabbah" is a composite identity, and Medusa is something more like a god and a monster than a human. The concept of a "Heroic Spirit" was very nebulous from the start.
>>724371448Yeah, I also remembered notoriety being the main factor in who becomes a heroic spirit and who doesn't. That's why people who never existed can become heroic spirits as well, like Kojiro who is explicitly stated to be an amalgamation of three completely separate people.
>>724361237Never forgethttps://files.catbox.moe/a2huf3.jpg
>>724371817why are you obsessed with this mediocre doujin
>>724361237If you can fail at them, they count.
>>724371817That janitor is another future version of Shirou
>>724361237they have a win/lose condition and a path to get them so yes
>>724365331The fact that a lot of interesting stories are hidden in coomerbait VNs is such a pain in the ass. For example, Detective Araka actually has an interesting premise and atmosphere that I believe is enhanced by the sexual horror; but the sexual horror is obviously made into more of a fetish thing. I would have preferred something far darker in atmosphere, especially for DEMONS
>>724361237Depends on whether they have choices and branching paths or not.Choices and paths = videogameJust reading = not a videogame
>>724370901Caren isn't defective like Kirei nor Shirou. She's kind of a combination of both, a sadistic compelled to save people. A masochist is bed though. She's basically an angel.
>>724371847The fuck you're talking about. That's canon.
>>724372353pic-related is the love child between shirou and caren after the latter tracks him into bed saying she needs it desperately, really wanting to know what it feels like to get fucked by avenger again
>>724371448>My best justification is that Nasu might have been imagining that there ought to be many more "Nameless Heroic Spirits" like Archer, but this idea never really went anywhere because the whole premise and appeal of the series is summoning actual known heroes and mythological/historical figures to battle.This is the actual answer. Nasu didn't expect Fate to blow up the way it did and its popularity led to TM putting their other projects on hold in order to capitalize on the cash cow they had stumbled upon. >Nasu loves setting up "rules" to break them but I wouldn't even consider this a "rule."Also he just likes to hype up certain characters and scenes by breaking rules that he either established earlier in the work, during the cool moment, or afterward to make the moment seem cooler in retrospect
Why did she do it?
>>724374470ciel is trash
>>724370901by far the hottest character design nasu ever made
>>724374831That would be either Touko or College Rin.
>>724374892Touko and diet Touko?
>>724374831Kiara, another sex priestess, is her only rival
>>724361237Some certainly are
>>724361237no and thats a good thing
>"You can't trust him, he's a false priest!">never lies>stays true to his priestly duties to the very endWhy does everyone slander him so?
>>724361237Kinetic Novels are not videogames. There is actually no gameplay involved, all that happens is text advances and you read it. Higurashi is not a video game, then.A visual novel like Rose Guns Days I would call an exception to this. It's extremely rudimentary gameplay, literally just clicking hitsplats, but it's there, and it never breaks immersion.A visual novel like Tokyo Necro I would say is also not a video game. There are exactly two branching path choices to pick, and those two choices are your only gameplay. Otherwise, it's literally just a kinetic novel, although one with a lot of flashy effects (and KINO)A visual novel like Fate/Stay Night I would say moves in the video game direction. Complex choices which could lead to bad or dead ends as a failstate, clearly narrative driven and no tactile feedback, but there is actually interaction with the game happening.A dating sim like Tokimeki Memorial is absolutely a video game, but this doesn't lean heavily enough into the narrative direction to be called a visual novel either. It is, however, the single most stressful experience I have ever had playing a game that was fully functioning as intended, definitely the most brutally stressful game I've played.And then there are visual novels like Baldr Sky. Baldr Sky is objectively a video game, and the combat segments feel fun as fuck and there's a lot of customization you could do with it.
>>724376240Wanna know some deep Fate lore? Saber's default outfit is originally from Kirei. It was gifted to Rin by Kirei earlier on but she never wore it because she never liked him that much. She gives it to Saber when they find out that she can't turn into a spirit. I feel like that's also why it looks somewhat oversized on Saber's body.
>>724376347>There is actually no gameplay involvedI press a button and the game reacts to my input by advancing the text. Boom. Gameplay
>>724376403>deepplain fucking reading the vn is deep level shit now huh?
>>724376451The overwhelming majority of Fate fans never even started reading the VN, they just liked the ufotable adaptations.
>>724376425When you go to the panda and you click on a doujin and move through the pages by clicking on the image, you're not playing a video game, you're jacking off.When you read a manga, you do the same thing. Still not a videogame. Still not gameplay.
What is the absolute BEST VN ever written? Something that could compare to to a fine piece of literary fiction, prose or poetry?
>>724376510
>>724376479My life is a video game and the internet is one big minigame
>>724376510fine pieces of literary fiction are a meme and /lit/fags have an arse full of farts they're high off of telling everyone how much better "real books" are than your "childish drivel"
>>724376347>There is actually no gameplay involved, all that happens is text advances and you read it. Higurashi is not a video game, then.But that's wrong.>>724376425>I press a button and the game reacts to my input by advancing the text. Boom. GameplayThis but unironically. Playing Higurashi and having my input during a tense scene causing the sound of a bat hitting flesh or stomping on floorboards is immersive tactile feedback that you can't get from other mediums. You cannot get the same experience from only reading it as a story or watching the anime.also it's entertainment software sold and marketed as a game for gaming platforms, that's all that matters and this question has never been more than pedantic bullshit
Wanna know some deep Fate lore? Shirou's magic isn't actually projection, it's a reality marble which imposes his inner world onto our reality. His inner world just so happens to be SWORDS and he can pull these SWORDS out of his inner world in a way that appears similar to projection to the untrained eye. SWORDS
>>724376510https://vndb.org/v51144
>>724376712Well Paradise Lost and The Magic Mountain by Thomas Mann is better than any visual novel I’ve read so far.
>>724376451That's hardly common knowledge. People don't remember every small detail of a story with 400,000 words. No need to be so rude.
>>724377261its the first thing rin says when saber turns up. in the animes too
Fate/Zero contradicts how the 4th grail war was described in many ways, but one that I recently thought about was Kiritsugu's magic. If Rin was able to figure out that Shirou was actually using a reality marble instead of projection after seeing him do it, then how come Kiritsugu never realized Shirou was using a reality marble? If Kiritsugu had his own reality marble, then he should have known how they worked better than Rin who had only heard about them. Yet, he believed that Shirou was merely using projection and told him that it was a useless magic. It only makes sense if Kiritsugu was merely a competent magus as he was described in Fate/Stay Night as that makes it more plausible that he could have missed something that a genius from the Tohsaka clan was able to understand.
>>724377375It doesn't show up in the MAL synopsis though.
>>724377417Kiritsugu also explicitly refers to himself as a sorcerer instead of just a magus. Who fucking knows what his original magic was.
>>724361237>Are visual novels videogames?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNLOavhtV-s
Shiki here. If Shiki can kill SHIKI, Shiki, SHIKI, and Shiki (maybe even Shiki) then shouldn't he logically be able to kill servants?
>>724378230lolHF is such fucking trash
>>724378012Loved that moment where the real Shiki goes LTG on the impostor.
>>724378334what a stupid fandisk
>>724361237Yes, if it has an interactive game element(s).If only text and pictures, it's a digital picture book
>>724361237No, they're weeb bait. It's rare they ever take the same direction of a point and click adventure game. There's probably an exception here and there, but by and large not really.
>>724378334Shouldn't have kept smelling the syrup.
Did Nasu come up with magic eyes just because he thought the Terminator was cool while he was writing Mahoyo in college?
A better question is, are they real literature?
>>724378660Worthless bitch ass nigger
>>724378701Mystic Eyes are relatively common in IRL occult lore. Gorgons, the Catoblepas, Balor from Ireland, vampiric suggestion...
>>724378701yes Nasu invented the novel concept of "magical eye"
>>724365765Stop spamming this everywhere
I don't know, but I like Rin.
I was reading up on how Takeuchi's art improved from Tsukihime to Fate, and it kind of makes sense except for the part where they say the sprites in Kagetsu Tohya and Plus-Disc have improved shading. The story goes that Takeuchi did the more detailed promotional art sprites first so he had more time to work on the shading which is why they look that way, but he had to rush the sprites for Tsukihime in 4 months while working multiple jobs to fund the project since Nasu was bumming off of him at the time. This is why the final version of Tsukihime's sprites have less shading and some of the CGs can look pretty rough and have garish coloring. Then after they released Tsukihime, they had enough money to hire more employees which led to Takeuchi having 2 new assistants who did the coloring and shading for him. This makes sense for why Melty Blood's and Fate/Stay Night's art looks so much better. But the sprites in Kagetsu Tohya and Plus-Disc have the same level of shading and the same style of coloring as the OG Tsukihime despite these art assistants helping with those too. So I was wondering if there was an earlier version of Tsukihime with worse looking sprites and if that is why they claim the KT+D sprites are such a big difference. Does anyone know? I know that there was an earlier demo version of Tsukihime that they sold to raise money during the development, but I don't think that is what is being referenced
>>724379597The version I heard was that Koyama got on board sometime during the development of Kagetsu Tohya and that's why the CGs and the shading looks so much better there and also in later games than they do in Turkeyhandle.
>>724379730But the shading looks about the same. Unless there is a version of Tsukihime that looks worse than the one I've always seen on YT which is the same as the one I originally played when I discovered Tsukihime in middle school which still looks the same as the version I have today which I got off of a Tsukihime fan website. The only difference I can tell is that KT+D has more sprites than vanilla Tsukihime, which makes sense as there are more scenes, but the new sprites all have the same style of shading and coloring as the original sprites (which also makes sense if they were made to blend in with the old ones in order to avoid having to make new sprites for the old poses). Also after looking at the sprite sheets, I see that Akiha seems to have gotten quite a bit of favoritism
>>724377417kerry never tried to actually teach shirou he clearly didn't want him to be a mage.>surely this incredibly painful regime will make him stop
>>724380176I was thinking of the shading in the CGs rather than the sprites themselves, there's a marked improvement to them in KT.The buzzed Akiha with the shot glass has to be the best sprite Takeuchi ever did.
>>724380581No. He never tried to force Shirou to be a mage, but Shirou kept insisting upon it so Kiritsugu did try to teach him. Shirou himself said that Kiritsugu tried to teach him the basics of magecraft, but the only things he could understand and somewhat effectively do was reinforcement and "projection" (though clearly Shirou understood other basic forms of magecraft as he was able to enhance his eyesight and sense mana/bound fields).
>>724380661how weirddoes he have a thing for drunk rich girls
>>724380786fucking look up the definition of actually
>>724380581little did kerry know his adopted son was autistic
>>724380176Is Arc the only heroine who has a sprite with her back turned towards the player? That's such a gigastacy move.
>>724380661If you are talking about just the CGs, then yes, it was a massive upgrade. I was just a bit confused because I assumed that when I read that the art improved, it also meant the sprites which are what you see for a majority of the playthrough
>>724367930*sniff*
>>724361237Some are
>>724381027She is the only one that can handle the full force of Shiki's murderlust
>>724380820Retard
>>724381486Shiki (Falso Tohno)inferior to Shiki Nanaya (Verdadero)
>>724381541says the guy who can't read
No but they are /v/
>>724381596You were wrong and had to resort to pedantry to make yourself feel better. A clear sign of a retard
>>724381716look clearly I can't explain this to you because you are unable to understand. please understand that at least.
>>724381783Words words words
>>724381837so your response to being told you can't read is to admit it?
>>724361237No, they are Visual Novels.It's in the name.FAGGOTS.
>Servant Rider, true name Medusa, great serpent of ancient myth. By this command spell, I ORDER you to FUCK my one true love, Emiya Shirou. Wait! And while you're doing it, make sure that he enjoys it, a LOT. Wait, stop! And you should also hypnotize him, make him think that he's fucking my sister while you're doing this. Don't ask why! And also, let him fuck your cavernous asshole, Rider, make him think that my dear sister is a dirty, dirty anal SLUT. Now go, Rider! Go out and ride to the extreme!What did she mean by this?
>>724381913Your response shows a clear lack of understanding of the concept of context. Look at the post that I was responding to. >look clearly I can't explain this to you because you are unable to understand. please understand that at least.Intentional nonsense with the intent of having the last word to satisfy your narcissism.
>>724382103It wasn't in her ass. And it's vague if Sakura ordered her or Rider just did it on her own.it's rape regardless
>>724382208Why would Rider do it on her own? She didn't need any extra mana since she was contracted to a living mana battery
What’s the least tranny VN? Because they all seem to be immensely popular with troons
>>724382307This was before Sakura merged with the shadow. Rider's drain on her was making her more hungry for mana regardless. Before this, Sakura is shown as sickly and feverish. After Rider lets Shirou know what her ass and pussy feels like, Sakura is miraculously healthy.
>>724382383Whatever VN a troon hasn't heard of yet
>>724382390But canonically all Rider did was give him a good old hug
>>724382462nopeshe raped him
What was the point of splitting the multiverse between Tsukihime worlds and Fate worlds if they were going to have Tsukihime characters appear in Fate works and Fate characters appear in Tsukihime works anyways?
>>724382635carnival phantasm isn't canonwould've been kino if caren mentioned ciel and shiki though
>>724382737FGO has Tsukihime characters in it and Melty Blood Type Lumina has Saber.
>>724382838neither is canon
>>724382879If only
>>724361237if they have game over states then yes.
>>724382971Look outside the window for a game over state
>>724383396Not so fast!
I am the BONER OF MY SWORD
>>724384076Tsk tsk tsk
my penis is made of ONE THOUSAND SWORDS
>>724384531SPENCER-SAMA?!?!?!
>>724361237idk
Urban Fantasy
>>724384940i have cringe fanfic ideas of shirou being tainted by angra mainyu from the very beginning when he's saved by kerry and of a selectively bred mutt american of spanish descent with native american and meso-american bloodlines that are gradually revealed to be driving him insane as a representation of miscgenation and dehumanization mages subject themselves to in their pursuit of power
>>724385132You could just write a story about the people who believe in magic irl and control things from the shadow except make the magic real in the story
>>724385258allegory is for pussiesif i were to make magical jews, i would make them magical jews the above mentioned representation of miscegenation is still actual miscegenation
She comes in wearing a swimsuit, then she leaves and comes back in naked: https://litter.catbox.moe/joh86n032gxb037s.png
>>724385301I didn't say anything about allegory. There are so many stories about secret societies of wizards/mages in the modern world, but none of them use the real secret occult organizations of jews as the subject matter.The closest I've seen is Aleister Crowley being a character in A Certain Magical Index, but he wasn't anything like the real person in the story.
Can Rance kill servants?
>>724376510FSN
>>724370279why
Was I imagining things on was there really a scene when Rin masturbates while watching you fuck Saber?
>>724386784Yes it's canon and Rin has her way with Saber first to get her in the mood
>>724376510Saihate no Ima
>>724361237the average VN has deeper and more involved gameplay than The Last of USand as long as that is considered a video game Visual Novels will too
>>724386784the funniest playthrough of that scene i've seen had the chick reading through accuse rin of just wanting to see saber and shirou fucki laughed the same time as she did when rin starting schlicking herself to them fucking
>>724371448Nasu's "rules" never were a thing. Assumptions of magi, normal humans, and other spooks, their knowledge, their zeitgeists and their spiritual force are solely theirs, just like IRL ones are.What you really missed is a basic logical conclusion about fame.Acquisition of HS status by "merit" is fundamentally nonsense because any merit requires an entity to recognize it, the Throne existing at all implies construction, and merit iself must be judged. Fame, respect, all these are fluctuating variables that require sapience to assess, and what one being can assess as important is meaningless to another.As such the concept is anything but nebulous, because the Hero and the Hero of Justice is and are the Archetype of Heroism, and The Throne, naturally, is an eldritch abomination of highest sort.The Throne heroes may be preserved souls, but the Throne itself has no practical limitations on what it can make, incarnate, instigate or summon, because it exists outside space and time, and covers all instances of heroism.The only limitations might be that one line from Extella about the Dimension and energy limits, but even that's a stretch.Hence why you can create any mutations of the [Servant] concept. Whether or not they are under the Throne's purview doesn't matter because the summoning system allows materialization of any spirit, while the Throne covers too many instances of heroism.Saber is only exceptional in that she has connections to forces that allow her to retain her autonomy. Had her mythos lacked the faerie escape card, she'd be in the Throne.[Shirou Emiya] however is as exceptional as Gil and the Throne itself, simply because he is equally unnatural.
>>724376479When you play a very limited PnP without dice, pen and paper you still play a game.This entire taxonomic idiocy is inadequate. A computer game is a process. An computer driven interactive book is exactly that, a book, but it is an interactive process, however limited it is.You should consider that even without eventual evolution of any genre, computer gaming always was an extremely broad category, and that novels and games like Phantasmagoria fit in their own subset within it very well.The delivery method is very specific, the approach is specific, and so is the way of immersing in them.
>>724388370I love when the cope to defend bad writing is "Actually, all those hours of infodumps delivered for the reader's benefit was actually just misinformation, the only real truth is my headcanon"
>>724361237FSN fucking sucksFGO has more action, character, story, and lore without any of the expository bloat.
>>724391551keeeeek
>>724391447I'll say Nasu doesn't invent rules to break them but help explain why x works differently from y. The cheapest of all being the unironic "the world is too lazy and too stupid to differentiate Roa from his hosts or good copies from the real thing"
>NasuWhat the fuck is his problem?
>>724391904laziness
>>724391551Lostbelt 6 is literally longer than every single route in FSN
>>724391991I remember her actually saying this but not the context.
>>724391447If you misinterpret some ideas as axioms, ideas that you fail to grasp no less, then you have only yourself to blame.A piece of exposition isn't there to act as a judicial codex or an exhausting compendium of all reality for the most retarded of powerlevelfags, it's there to get a few points across in certain ways for the sake of artistic meaning.
>>724391904He literally just wants to info dump and write about chuuni things instead of actually putting out a story. We KNOW he can put out a story, but he doesn't want to do it.He'd rather bore everyone with extraverse shit, mahoyo, or tsukihime.
>>724392192Ohh, you're so right. Now I see I can't even trust Shirou's sprites, I mean he looks like he has orange hair but that's just me misinterpreting the axiom. I see now Shirou actually has fuckin pink and purple hair, I'm so glad I didn't treat that shit as an exhausting compendium of all reality!!!!!!blah blah blah suck my cock
>>724392310Get your head out of your ass, bot, you know exactly what I've meant.
>>724392375Sorry, guess I only have myself to blame when I was taking the artistic meaning of your judicial codex (`・ ω・´)
>>724381678Steins;Gate was an underwhelming vn.
>>724379219Or what, you're gonna cry?>>724378702See>>724365765
>>724361237>visual novelsthey're called adventure games
>>724361237Depends on the VN
>>724385782Can Rance overcome Rin's rear defense?
>>724393286it is the most defenseless part of any japanese's body
>>724361237No gameplay, so no.
>>724393035Water is dry.
>>724361237>set reader to autoplay>after 10 hours you finish "story 1">set your novel reader to "story 2">this is games???
>>724394391better gameplay than most modern AAA titles
>>724393035I didn't care for it either, I even liked Katawa Shoujo more if we're limiting to normalfag vns.
>>724361237I'm pretty sure they are.
>>724397049Yes anon and cartoons are anime too because Nips said so.
>>724397202With the amount of cinematic games out right now, VNs are arguably more game due to having more interaction.
>>724391904I hate the mushroom. I want him to suffer.
>>724397049>VLC media player is a video game
