1h and 30 minutes into it.It's the most boring walking sim i've played, even A Machine for pigs was better.Maybe Amnesia Bunker spoiled me, but what the fuck is this??? No inventory, start in base was "spooky" and made me think there was scary monster hunting people only to find out there's just some ugly four legged blue non threatening robot as enemy, then i see every human is a robot anyways, and protag is OBVIOUSLY a robot too i even pulled flashlight out of my ass and can breathe underwater. That bitch Catherine is probably a robot too.How is this shit so shilled? how is it so highly rated?People really like boring walking sims so much? I thought i was gonna be scared or that the game would be more interactive than walking at snail pace in the ocean.
It's a very good story and the game acknowledges you're a robot halfway through.
¡BOOOOOO!
>>724378083>It's a very good storySo i'm gonna waste 8 hours of my life in a boring walking sim that was sold to me as a horror game with "monsters chasing me" but said monsters are boring robots?Vidya is dead.
this game is beloved, sweaty
>>724378140>Every game must be bing bing wahooFag
>>724377998>I'm sorry, does this piece of shit get fun or scary at any point?No. It's overrated normalfag bait. Hell, they even included a no-monsters mode for the "muh triggerings!!" fags.>How is this shit so shilled? how is it so highly rated?Like said: it's Amnesia for the ADHD normalfags who hate horror games. It's "streamer friendly" as fuck, and has a "deep story bro!".Frictional's games have only gotten worse after the Penumbra. Meanwhile, The Talos Principle did the robotics and humanity theme better, without faux spooky house setting.
>>724378153Which makes me wonder why because if the story is the boring "everyone's robots, all human's death, muh uploaded human brain in machine!" then i'd rather go watch Wall-e at least that game makes you care for its robots, unlike this one.It's probably one of those cases in which the "gaming community" decides a game is good or deep and everyone just parrots the opinion around, i bet 99% of SOMA fans never even played it.
>>724377998It's supposed to be existentially scary, not ooga booga scary.
it never gets even remotely scare. Just watch the ending on youtube and move on.
>>724378246>It's supposed to be existentially scaryAHHHH ALL HUMANS ARE DEEAAAAD I'M GOIIING INSAAANEEE THAT IS SOOOO SCAAARYYYYYYYYYawn. I wish i was pressing X to check on baby in Amnesia Rebirth instead of walking at snail pace in the ocean.
>>724377998But you get to fist the WAU anus-looking thingamajigs. How are you not immersed?
>>724378241it's good and you basically haven't even started if you're not even to Lambda yet, but it already seems obvious you aren't really willing to engage with it as it is and won't like it. just play something else.
It's not a horror game. If anything it's a therapy session about accepting the end of yourself but also humanity as a whole.
>>724378241You're not even halfway through the story, how the fuck do you know if the story is badly executed? You just got started. I get it, you don't like the walking simulator parts and want more traditional scares. The game is apparently not for you. But the story is excellent.Simply put, this is the coolest and most well made take on human conscience in vidya, hidden in a beautiful looking game where you look at cool environments. I played this game when it came out before anyone had any takes on it and over a decade later it's easily the most memorable horror game I have played since then.
>>724378312These niggers are pretty scary.
>>724378331>it's good and you basically haven't even started if you're not even to Lambda yetI hate those "it gets good after 2000 hours into it bro". How does a game fail to be interesting in the first 1h and a half?At first i thought it was dead space in the ocean with guns killing monsters. THen i see there's no weapons and there's stealth so i think "oh cool, another scary Amnesia like game with a monster lurking around!". But the gameplay turns out to be a fucking walking sim with no inventory and LE EVIL BLUE ROBOTS? That get's better after Lambda? Suddenly the protag stops being a robot? Why should i care if my protag even dies from robot on robot crime?
>>724378432no, not at all
>>724377998>does this piece of shit get fun No, it's a walking/hiding sim>or scary at any point???Yes, it's legit one of the most terrifying games I've played
>>724378461>Why should i care if my protag even dies from robot on robot crime?This question is humorously ironic given the themes of the game
>>724377998Congrats, you broke the game's twist by just being observant. There will be some subjectively "creepy" hide n seek parts but otherwise it's neither that scary nor that deep. It's an ok game.
>>724378461>At first i thought it was dead space in the ocean with guns killing monsters.First of all, who the fuck even WANTS to play Dead Space? And since when has Frictional's games been about killing shit?
>>724378461>At first i thought it was dead space in the ocean with guns killing monstersif you can't be bothered to even know the most basic concept of the game you're getting into you're just retarded. you're throwing a tantrum because you expected something completely different that you imagined in your head and got what the game actually is instead.
>>724378461>At first i thought it was dead space in the ocean with guns killing monsters. THen i see there's no weapons and there's stealth so i think "oh cool, another scary Amnesia like game with a monster lurking around!". But the gameplay turns out to be a fucking walking sim with no inventory and LE EVIL BLUE ROBOTS? That get's better after Lambda?No. These complaints of yours stay the same the entire way through the game. None of that is changing.Whether you want to look past that and look at one of the best stories in vidya or treat it as a dealbreaker is up to you.
>>724378381>The game is apparently not for you. But the story is excellent.I do not know how the execution is, but the premise is pretentious and boring. Unironically, it insists upon itself. Not only it had a horrible start with awful pacing and now I killed both a robot and some black woman in such anticlimatic ways but the entire story will go some "Ohhh but the protag was gonna dieee in a yeaaar isn't it worth saving humanity through robots and ship of thesus and yada yada???" YAWN.I wanted to be SPOOKED. I wanted to interact with the game. Not just hold W while i can't see shit in the ocean and if i make the gamma go up all game looks grey and washed.
>>724378543It's not "the twist". It gets revealed halfway through. Having said that, feel free to spoil OP on everything the game is about because it's pretty obvious he's just gonna bitch the whole way through and not be able to appreciate it.
>>724378607try playing for more than an hour and a half without running to your gay little message board to complain
>>724378617>It gets revealed halfway throughIt gets revealed after literally the first level lmao
>>724378607>Not only it had a horrible start with awful pacingNo. The start is excellent.>I wanted to interact with the game. Not just hold W while i can't see shit in the ocean and if i make the gamma go up all game looks grey and washed.This is a separate complaint that I'm not disputing. The game is not for you. You're wrong about the story.
>>724378547>And since when has Frictional's games been about killing shit?Just yesterday i finished Amnesia Bunker and i killed the Ghoul
>>724378704Well kudos to them, took them 20 years to make a game with weapons.
>>724378549I expected anything but a boring walking sim like Machine for Pigs. Specially when this game has been so shilled everywhere and it's considered one of the best Friction games. At this point i wish i was throwing meat at dogs in Penumbra rather than hiding from THIS.
A machine for pigs has better music and writing and characters
>>724377998>I'm sorry, does this piece of shit get fun or scary at any point???nope its just a boring walking sim and nothing like bunkerthe setting is cool but the writing/pacing/design are dogshitpenumbra doesnt have gameplay like bunker but its much better
>makes OP piss his pants
>>724378704https://youtu.be/MUL5w91dzbo?si=D2gD4k_j54MsDHes
>>724378769SOMA isn't about being afraid of the monsters it's about making you uncomfortable with the nature of consciousness and reality in general.
>>724378654>try playing for more than an hour and a halfI can't I have work to do, might tomorrow. But if a 7 hour game doesn't get good in the first hour and a half then when does it? I'm basicallly 30% into it. At least other games with GARBAGE boring slow starts like Days Gone are like 30 hours long, those you can justify them being boring in the first hour. But a 7 hour game SHOULDN'T BE BORING until it has 30 minutes left of runtime or something.
>>724378607I don’t even like the story that much but it’s hardly pretentious, most of the game is “damn these uncanny robots acting all human has disturbing implications” it’s basic af
>>724378676>The start is excellent.The fuck is excellent about it? I start in 2015, go get a brain scan and suddenly thrown out of nowhere in a station. Game baits you into thinking there's a monster about to come only for a DORK robot to start searching the area. The fuck is "Excellent" about it?At least this scene reminded me of that ukranian bitch who was stabbed in the metro so i laughed.
>>724378959Showcasing the mundane life of your average Canadian man was important to set up the important story beat that Simon is a retard.
>>724378959You sincerely are incapable of getting it. I do not look forward to you finishing the game and having other retarded complaints about it. I hope you drop it. It's not for you.
>>724379054
>>724378838>it's about making you uncomfortable with the nature of consciousness and reality in general.Game should come with a tag "Only 14 years old will find it deep" then. >>724378954>most of the game is “damn these uncanny robots acting all human has disturbing implications” it’s basic afWhich has always been pretentious, even if overdone.
>>724377998its a spooky adventure game its about getting immersed in the setting. it is not a bing wahoo type of situation.
>>724379065>I do not look forward to you finishing the game and having other retarded complaints about it.Oh i will finish it because i do not like just dropping games, specially becuase then retards like you go "REEE YOU CAN'T JUDGE THE GAME YOU HAVEN'T EVEN FINISHED IT!". So i will finish it, i will complain about it, and in the end my opinion will be a million times more valid than any of yours because i ACTUALLY played the game unlike all of you retards who watched marikiplier or whatever youtuber you have a parasocial relationship with tell you "Woah... this game is deep..."The only deep thing here is those assholes Simon keeps fisting.
>>724379127I don't think a 14 year old would appreciate how disturbing what you and Catherine do to Brandon Wan's brain scan is. They'd probably just shit post about how the monsters aren't scary enough so the game is boring.
>>724378461>At first i thought it was dead space in the ocean with guns killing monsters.Well then you're a fucking retard for not knowing what you're buying, aren't you? Too stupid to read the store page ass moron. It's a psychological horror, but your can't-rotate-the-apple ass brain genuinely won't be able to engage with that, so give up.
>>724379243>They'd probably just shit post about how the monsters aren't scary enough so the game is boring.
>>724379127It’s not pretentious you stupid fuck to be pretentious you have to have higher aims than what you can actually achieve but soma has low to medium aims and achieves them just fine
>>724378704Bunker was legitimately too scary. Did not appreciate it.
>>724379241When you are called stupid, it isn't an insult. It's a genuine part of your character. Like being left handed, or short, or having blue eyes. You have a low quality brain.
>>724377998Well it's at least 100x better than Silent Hill f, but if you still don't get the coin flip thing then it's hopeless for you.
>>724379241I was afraid to fist the WAU holes because I thought something spooky and bad would happen if I fisted too many and the WAU got me.
>>724379241>Y-y-y-you just watched it on youtube!!! That's the only explanation!!!/v/ is a pretty low quality board in a pretty low quality website but your stubbornness and stupidity stand out. Is this the origin story of the SOMAschizo?
>>724379532Dongus over there is the exact kind of anon who will end the game thinking there is a coin flip since the game says that there is a coin flip (from the mouth of a brain damaged retard Canadian) and it would require his own critical thinking to recognize that there isn't one.Most coinfags are trolling for (you)s but he'll believe it.
>>724379576Well? Can you provide proof you played it?
>>724379663I pirated this a decade ago. Was part of plenty of good threads about it. Thank god you didn't know about it until now.
>>724378083It's not very good. Or rather, it's only good for a horror game.
>>724379842I ironically cannot think of any game from any genre with a better story than SOMA
>>724379893unironically evenfuck
>>724379663i can. just finished replaying it again yesterday. trust me, you're not going to like it or get it. and i don't say that pretentiously, it's not a hard story to get and its themes are well-trodden. you're simply more brain damaged than simon.
>>724379893Disco Elysium but SOMA is a contender for sure
>>724379893A machine for pigs
>>724379893I wouldn't go that far, but as far as it comes to a story about human conscience, SOMA stands above every other vidya and it's not even close. Talos Principle, I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream and the VNs/CYOAs I played are nothing in comparison.
>>724379939>you're not going to like it or get itHe knows and he can't wait to finish it and be a brainlet about it. He'll make another thread that is him bitching about the coin toss and the ending.
>>724379963i might argue that the talos principle and its sequel are a better and more in depth exploration of the themes in question, but soma wins on the narrative front compared to talos.
>>724380075At the end of the day execution is what I care about. With Talos I just feel like I'm reading lore. With Soma, it actually gets well executed and stuck with me.
> I play games for the storyHave to be the most pathetic pretentious losers in the world. Without a gf to watch movies with and without the intelligence and patience to read books.So they need to resort to vidya for a "good story" and the best they can get is the most shallow ship of thessus underwater walking sim (which is so fucking boring they didn't even play and instead just watched on youtube)
Anon, you already admitted that you are a couple hours in, you don't need to keep going on about how it's muh shallow when we know that your actual complaints is that the jumpscares aren't good enough for you and you don't like walking simulators.
He still doesn't get it. Sometimes you get left behind, but every time one of you gets left behind.
>>724380216(You) always get left behind anon, that's the whole point.
>>724377998shilled means paid advertising. Don't just slot it into your zoomoid brain to replace stan or whatever.
>>724380193>the jumpscares aren't good enoughIt has no jumpers, it has no anything. "Y-yeah the gameplay is ass but uhhh i swear uhh the story gets good... 5 hours in... in a 7 hours long game..."Who the fuck even plays games for the story, go read a book.
OFFICIAL Frictional Games games ranking:SOMA > Amnesia: The Dark Descent > Amnesia: The Bunker > Amnesia: Rebirth > Penumbra: The Black Plague > Penumbra: Overture > Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs > Penumbra: Requiem
>>724380332I'd say SOMA is about as boring as Requiem. But at least Requiem had the decency to have actual gameplay through puzzles and be a 3 hour long mess, not 7 hours of walking slowly in the water with Wall-e.
>>724380332Did ask>>724380394Did not ask
>>724380320Most books have shit stories, some are good. Most movies and shows have shit stories, some are good. Most games have shit stories, this one is good because it asks interesting questions about the nature of consciousness and individuality.Book = smart is a conceit of stupid people who don't read.
just played it on y outube. neat walking simulator moviegame 6/10
>>724380126>patience to read booksWhat do books have to do with patience? 8 hours is considered a short game while the average novel should take you about 4 or so hours. A long game by comparison is around 60 hours long while a long novel is around 30 hours long. Not to mention the wide range of novellas around, which I would personally compare to short games like SOMA in terms of narrative breadth while only taking up an hour or so of your time. Books are way better than games for impatient people.
>>724377998You'll only play this game once, enjoy the experience retard
>>724378789what kind of basedjak is that?
>>724378704I finished the game with 5 molotov cocktails, 6 gas grenades, 2 normal ones, 5 health packs and 4 bandages, and I skipped most of the shit... Why do they give you the fucking shotgun at the end of the game?>Killing the ghoulAs a part of the walkthrough, or an ending? I tried to gas him, throw grenades and shit, but didn´t do anything but scare it.
>>724380584>this one is good because it asks interesting questions about the nature of consciousness and individuality.The story is inherently good because you like the topic which has been overdone in every single media for the last 100 years? What exactly does this game do that Cyberpunk 2077 or Detroit Become Human doesn't?
>>724380724>You'll only play this game onceIf you call holding W in an ocean in which i can't see shit and there isn't anything scary playing...
>>724380814>Cyberpunk 2077>interesting questions about the nature of consciousness and individualityFor someone claiming to have such good taste, you sure do like some garbage.
>>724380782In the ending you can escape with the ghoul alive or you can stun him while he's in the middle of a bridge and blow it up and he dies. Also how did you have so many resources??? Don't tell me you played in Normal...
>>724380285No, that's not what the game was telling you. Yes, one of you is always left behind, however it's the coin flip of whether or not you get to experience the transfer.
>>724380871>He doesn't have thalassophobiangmi
>>724380332Amnesia sucks you retard.
>>724380953>he thinks there's a coin flipoh no no
>>724380883I do not like Cyberpunk 2077. Quite the opposite, i'm just pointing out your retardation by claiming a story is good because "it asks interesting questions about the nature of consciousness and individuality."Do you know when the ship of thesus paradox was made? In fucking ancient greece. You find "interesting" something people before christ was even born were discussing and has been in every piece of media since forever.
>>724380814They're nothing like it. They don't have the transfer scenario, the coin flip problem, which is the game's core question and what makes it a strong psychological horror, not a scary monster haunted house for faggot children.
>>724381005Okay retard.
>>724380814>What exactly does this game do that Cyberpunk 2077 or Detroit Become Human doesn't?lolI love Detroit Become Human because it's cringekino, funny and has genuine choices and consequences. Soma shits all over it in terms of a story that actually sticks with you, though>PLEASE EXPLAIN WHYYou're too stupid to get it, genuinely. You've already proved it beyond belief by now.
>>724380909Not going guns blazing? Im too used to save everything for the future since I don´t know what future will bring, and only use what´s necesarry, and I wasted a lot, since I only discovered that you could use bricks or hammers to break doors at the end, I oppened the doors with granades.
>>724380985Thalasophobia is only a thing when you're swimming and you can't see under you.There can't be Thalasophobia if you're safely on the ground, what shark is gonna come from under you and eat you???If you have Thalasophobia in the fucking ground when you can see the sand under you then how do you even exist in real life? Do you go outside, look at the sky at night, see everything's black and start having a panic attack?
>>724381042>Says the mentally impaired...If you just wanted to start the shitposting just say so.
>>724381018Yeah and I suppose because Shakespeare did Romeo and Juliet a long time ago all subsequent romance is a waste of time too, is it? No more thrillers after Hitchcock, it's already been done? Shit for brains.
>>724381062>You're too stupid to get it, genuinely. You've already proved it beyond belief by now.So you can't say how the shitty "ROBOTS ARE PEOPLE TOO" story of SOMA is different from Detroit? Thought so.
>>724381018>Nature of consciousness and individuality>Ship of ThesusWhy are you just naming random shit from Wikipedia?People being retarded has also existed since forever, so I have no interest in your boring old pessimism.
>>724381042i'm sorry anon, but the coin flip is literally cope invented by simon, it was always wrong and not realizing that is the most basic (and common) misunderstanding of the story. the you that you are right now will never change, there is no such thing as a consciousness "transfer." it's always a copy, and that copy will never be you. catherine understands this, which is why she expresses no surprise or disappointment at being left behind at omega: it was a foregone conclusion. simon doesn't understand this and thus spergs out.
>>724377998it's a walking simlater you find out that everytime you hopped bodies, a copy of yourself was left behind
>>724381189Swing and a miss, dummy. That's not what SOMA is about.
>>724378140How the fuck is it not scarey? Markiplier was shitting himself during his playthrough.
>>7243812051h and 30 min into the game and i can already tell the entire story is about "Are you really you if your scanned brain is uploaded into a robot?" "Does that you in the robot body still is human?".It's pretentious, stupid, overdone. And literally what the ship of thesus metaphor is about. Cyberpunk 2077 has an entire ending about it, as i said, it's overdone.
>>724381189>"ROBOTS ARE PEOPLE TOO" story of SOMASo which one is it? You clearly never played the game or you are fucking retarded and somehow manages to understand it even less than coinflipfags.
>>724381136No it isn't retard, it's a general fear of large bodies of water, doesn't mater if you're on the bottom or at the top.Do you make up bullshit facts just to argue?
>>724381208It wasn´t even Simon, it was the AI wich told it to him to try to explain to him, since he was too stupid to understand the copy shit.
>game tells you the protag is a literal brain damaged retard>take his coin flip cope analogy as factseems like the retard isn't just in the game. you follow the latest copy because else the game wouldn't fucking progress
>>724381263>And literally what the ship of thesus metaphor is aboutOh I see. You are just posting ai answers. phew.For a moment there I thought you where actually that fucking retarded.I mean, can you imagine if after acting like a pretentious smug asshole, you don't even understand a basic metaphor? Now THAT would be embarrassing.
>>724377998You need to have high IQ to be horrified by this game, otherwise you won't understand even half of the implications.
It was hard playing this game because the protagonist was so retarded
>>724377998It's only scary if you don't know how ctrl+X, ctrl+V works.
>>724381287It doesn't have to be part of the definition, it's just fact. Notice how nobody will ever point at being in the bottom of the ocean with your feet on the sand as part of Thalassophobia. If you're scared of this, specially when the game makes it clear there's no monsters or anything that will hurt you but boring robots is ridiculous.
>>724381294simon comes up with the coin toss while descending the climber after the transfer at omicron, he thinks it out loud to himself and catherine doesn't comment because she's autistic and stopped talking to avoid upsetting him more than he already is, until he asks her to speak again.she parrots it back at him after the ark launch because he still isn't getting how it actually works so she's putting it in terms he understands
>>724381382> NOOO SHIP OF THESEUS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOMA>> Quick google searchPretentious assholes really want to think SOMA invented some entire new topic, story and philosophical debate lmao. Are you 14?
>>724381274He made this thread 2 hours into the game and instead of admitting that he simply doesn't like walking simulators and doesn't think the scares are efficient, he's pretending he's a good judge of the story. Needless to say, by the time he finishes the story, he will have gone in wanting to hate it so we'll have to deal with his unserious criticisms of it by then too.
>>724381294You just don't get it, do you? We as the player are not Simon, but the game imperceptibly changes our perspective from copy to copy of Simon in a way that makes the player think they are continuing the consciousness of the original Simon. At the end, the game doesn't shift the perspective to the new Simon at the end. We are stuck with the old Simon, at the bottom of the ocean, alone.We were never Simon.
>Copy files from my PC to a USB stick>Which device won the coin flip? Which files are the real ones?
>>724381405I have thalassophobia and I'm telling you that diving down and standing on the bottom of the ocean floor looking outwards towards nothingness freaks me the fuck out, get lost you non-thalassophobia having bitch.
>>724381502>Some guy on reddit said so, it must be trueWoah, really got me there.
I haven't actually played Amnesia Bunker, but walking sims were still popular back then. Also, the Rogue Moon concept is pretty cool if you haven't been exposed to it before.
>>724381542> I am afraid of X thing. I am special! I am a victim. I am no different from people in wheelchairs! I have a conditionYou're a stupid bitch and possibly underage. No different from those "AHHH I HAVE ARACHNOPHOOOBIAAA IT'S MY ENTIREEE PERSONALITYYY!".Did you see on reddit some thread about thalasophobia and now you claim you have it becuase it sounds LE COOL?
Hey, OP, you're at the part where you're Simon 2. You're gonna switch into Simon 3 and kill Simon 2. Then by the end of the story, you'll see Simon 3 stay in the facility while Simon 4 goes to the mythical arc trip. The epilogue shows the arc trip while Simon 3 is stuck alone screaming in the void. Kill yourself.
>>724381592Sounds boring. When does the ocean ghoul come into play? Oh right, there won't be any, there's just fucking robots.
>>724381208>>724381169I think the bot needs to explain again to you, Simon. A consciousness experiences the transfer whether you like it or not.
>>724381510>At the end, the game doesn't shift the perspective to the new Simon at the endNigga, you even see how the ark is from the inside, you literally see it through the copy that reachs it. You are simon in the game, yet you shift instances of him when the plot demands it.>>724381534There are people in this day and age that thinks that when you send an E mail, it automatically dissapears from your pc...
>>724381579>Rogue MoonAre you talking about Dead Space or something?
>>724381534Where did the files on the USB stick come from?
>>724381585I've never seen a man more jealous of people having phobias, your mental condition must be far more severe.
>>724381697It's a series of pipes after all. Why wouldn't it disappear after being flushed through?
>>724381718Sorry, I could have been more specific. It's a 1960 sci-fi novel basically based on the same concept of transferring people to the moon. Same general concept.
>>724381724from digital mom's pussy
How is this argument still happening a decade later? Oh that's right stupid people like Simon just don't get it.
>>724381727> I am super special because i just read what Thalassophobia is and i claim i have it! so quirky!!I've never seen a man so desperate to claim he's afraid of something. Low T behavior.
>>724377998you already know the twist, but the game will wait another 6 hours before trying to "reveal" it again, and you'll just have some more hide n seek encounters with enemies and a puzzle where you have to do basic addition and subtraction.any exploration will just be walking around empty areas.enjoy!
>>724381762>Rogue moonBut that is just a boring derivative work based on books more than a 100 years before it. Basically pure slop.
>Sounds boring. When does the ocean ghoul come into play? Oh right, there won't be any, there's just fucking robots.
>>724378315>all humans are deadno its more the kind of existential dread on what consciousness is and whether a copy is the same as the original
>>724377998It's mostly existential horror related to mind copying not working the way you think it does which, if you don't grapple with the complexities of consciousness, doesn't bother you in the slightest.
>>724381841I am afraid of large bodies of water yes, it would be a really silly thing to lie about. You got some major trust issues.
>>724381957I won't argue that the book was pretty shit, but it was the first time I saw this concept. Who the fuck wrote about it in the 1800s?
>>724381983>existential dread on what consciousness isYou guys remind me of toddlers when they start learning the concept of death.
>When does the ocean ghoul come into play? Oh right, there won't be any, there's just fucking robots.>You guys remind me of toddlers, btw
>>724382073Except it's you who was the real toddler phone.
You just don't fucking get it, Simon. You just don't fucking get it. You dumb fucking retard. You don't even realize you're just a stack of tires just like everyone else.
>>724382073>toddlersBuddy, the majority of people don't even get over death until after middle age. Coming to terms with mortality earlier than that is actually pretty rare, and most people who think they're over it are actually just depressed and therefore incapable of caring about mortality, like everything else.
Which one is real? Which one is the copy? Which one got to experience the transfer? Which one stayed behind?
>>724382073the game was made for highschool kids to feel smart.
>>724382456Seeing the pretentious retards in this thread, it seems to have worked.
What if the body is like an antenna and it's wired just right to receive you? If there were an identical antenna somewhere else then that too would be able to receive you. Shut the old one off and you now occupy the new one.
>>724382456>>724382491A decade later and I still feel smart reading this simon says thread. I'm glad I talked with my one friend afterwards and we both thought the same thing and laughed at the Simons for not getting it.
>>724382552i think that's pretty close to what sarang and the other continuity believers thought.
Played it just a week ago, I wish there was an option to destroy the Ark, what an abomination that was.Also Simon was a bit of a retard for thinking he'd "board" the ark, considering he had JUST seen the reality of "moving" his mind (there is no transference, just copying)I feel bad for him but I'm not sure what he expected. Also I was very disappointed that the WAU holes didn't do anything, I thought it'd be a Little Sisters from Bioshock thing, and using too many would change the ending.
>it has been done before so doing it again in a different way is boring the biggest brainlet thing to think. wtf u have fights and romance and comedy in your story? all that shit has been done before lmao come up with something new!! nobody who thinks this has ever deeply explored anything because if you had you’d know that coming at it from one angle doesn’t exhaust a concept completely. faggot gay.
>>724377998Ive never made it past the third coinflip, just unlucky i guess
>>724378207>TTPbased. I still need to play 2.
>>724382059Nobody did. People didn't even conceive of the idea before computers existed. Pic related lmao.
>>724382614I'm starting to believe it too, consciousness comes from one source, I know this because Buddhist monks have been tapping into it for centuries. This means every human, animal and plant receives a signal from a single source, and the only thing that makes them different is their capability to receive it. Every nuance of your brain makes you into who you are, if there are two identical brains then there is no reason why they both wouldn't be you. We're all one after all.
>>724382739I don't understand the coinflip analogy. There's no chance of becoming the new copy, that doesn't make any sense. A new copy is made, and the previous either continues or is killed, but either way the new one is its own thing.>photocopy a piece of paper>the new copy has a 50% chance of becoming the original (???)
>>724382739As a kid I developed the ability to flip coins in a way that let me predetermine the outcome. I could always flick and catch them to make a tails or heads if I wanted to.
>>724382939This is just some Dead Space nonsense lmao. There's no marker carrier signal.
>>724382938Philosophers will call the world literally anything but what it is.
>>724381762>188 pagessure, I'll check it out.
>>724383002It's a bad analogy that was only made to fool Simon, but it kind of makes sense if you look at it exclusively from the moment you're in the machine and the cloning just happened. Your memories are fresh in both versions, whatever fear you have of not being the copy is the same for both versions, so you're not sure yet which is which.Of course, the analogy falls apart at any other point. If you're at the point before the copy happens knowing it's gonna happen, you already know you lost the coinflip. Conversely, if you're at a point after the coinflip, you already know you're the copy.
>>724383135I always thought she used the analogy because that was how she coped with it
>>724383002it's just shitposting at this point, but a lot of retards were trying to have deep discussions about it on release, not realizing catherine was literally bullshitting simon and he was too stupid to understand it.
>>724383002>>724383123If you go to sleep before the copying starts, it is a legit 50% chance as to who the person you wake up as will be.Imagine you have turbo cancer, and your only cure is a procedure that will "transfer your mind and soul" into a new body. You go under, and when you wake up the first thing you see is yourself. You see yourself screaming about how the procedure didn't work and then dying, but you have a working body, so the procedure must have worked. What would you make of this?
>>724383197She says it doesn’t work that way and she’s just trying to not upset retard Simon. The coin flip thing is the gayest part of the game because it’s literally just people being retarded and not understanding basic concepts
>>724383135The game literally tries to trick you into thinking the coin flip is real by relinquishing control of the previous body and swap to the new deep sea diving suit one, it's kind of scummy.
>>724383336>What would you make of this?chargeback.
>>724383336>What would you make of this?If I saw myself still conscious, then I'd know I'm a copy who merely thinks it's me.
>>724383376But anon, that's how Simon 3 perceives it. That's the point. You're playing as Simon 3 (until the epilogue, which I still kind of thing was unnecessary). If they didn't show you how Simon 1 and Simon 2 worked and made it obvious that there was a switch between characters, you would not be playing as Simon 3.
>>724383376This is the most mysterious part of the story for me. Was it written assuming that players wouldn’t understand the coin flip is fake? Are we supposed to identify with the diminished cognitive abilities of a mental retard?
>>724383482Again, the whole point is that that's how Simon 3 perceives it. His memories of Simon 1 and 2 are there just the same as if he actually were those people. That's a perfectly valid way of communicating it.
As far as consciousness transfer goes, the book Old Man's War had a neat take on it. They let you experience being in both bodies at the same time for a bit, on purpose, so that the people being transferred don't freak out and have an existential crisis.
>>724383482No, you're supposed to feel distressed at Simon basically being an infant in hell.
>>724381405there is a sea monster though, it's just much later
>>724383538>They let you experience being in both bodies at the same time for a bit, on purposeThat sounds like there's an actual transference at that point, then, if they can do that, unlike SOMA, where it's just a copy and paste.
>>724383514I understand why he perceives it that way (low iq) but am I supposed to perceive it that way? I immediately understood that I’m now playing as a ‘new’ Simon and I don’t know anyone who didn’t think this
>>724383583No, anon, no matter how high your IQ and no matter your understanding of the situation, you will still have the memories of the previous Simon's, thus the way the game conveys that is valid.
>>724383583>I immediately understood that I’m now playing as a ‘new’ Simon and I don’t know anyone who didn’t think thisMaybe your IQ isn't as high as you think.
>>724383481You are the same human bean playing the game through all of it, you won't know that you're playing as Simon 2 or 3 unless the game explicitly tells you. It doesn't, it's actively trying to fool you into thinking that you keep winning the coinflips by transferring control to the new body every time. Simon never realizes that the coinfip is bullshit in the end which leads me to believe that the devs actually believe in the coinfip and that's why they made it this way.
>>724383197She's very autistic, and has already gone through an episode of people killing themselves because of what she told them. She's just letting him believe whatever cope he needs to keep him functional. As soon as he stops being useful she stops coddling him and dumps a bucket of cold truth on his head.
>>724383547It’s difficult to empathise with a belligerent mentally retarded man
>>724383573Oh yeah it's absolutely different from soma's tech. Just an interesting take on a similar concept.
>>724383573Man you should watch the movie Avatar. At the end, the protag """transfers""" to this avatar. I was just like "that's not how it works".
>>724383640No, damn it. Just because there's no actual transference happening doesn't mean that the illusion of transference isn't happening. You retain the memories of the previous Simon's and there is a continuity there, when you are playing as Simon 3, your memories of what happened to Simon 1 and 2 are the exact same as what Simon 3 is experiencing. How would you be able to replicate that WITHOUT letting you play as them first?
>>724383712Anon... Mind transference isn't a thing that exists. We have no idea how it "works". These are different takes on a fictional concept. Soma just took how computers do it, but it's ok to make a form of human consciousness that is more akin to having a heart transplant.
>>724383629That doesn’t make it a coin toss tho, it just means I’m a clone, and I know I’m a clone for numerous reasons, like that I suddenly become conscious in a new body and I can see the older version of me stuck in a lil room
>>724383632It is
>>724383716When I say "you're the same human bean" I mean you the player, playing the game. You have a continuous experience of the first couple of Simons, the game tries to trick you into believing the coinflip. If they wanted to make it accurate they would keep the player perspective in the old body for a while after transference just to show that that the coinflip is bullshit. Then after some hopeless wallowing you'd cut to the new one, just like the final scene
>>724383776What's your tested score? Mine's only 120, but I still understood that while I comprehended the nonexistence of the coinflip, people like Simon couldn't. Being able to simulate the conclusions of people with lower IQs is a staple of relatively higher intelligence. Parents do it to their kids all the time when they play Hide and Seek.
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>>724384040Even an average person would be smart enough to know you're lying, anon.
>>724383910>If they wanted to make it accurate they would keep the player perspective in the old body for a while after transference just to show that that the coinflip is bullshitThen you wouldn't be playing as Simon 3, retard.
>>724377998you get a gun halfway through stick with it
>>724377998If you've played for one and half hour and haven't been scared yet. Then you're probably one of those low IQ people who don't know how to properly play a horror game under the correct environment. Nice going, you blew your one and only chance to play the horror game correctly!
>>724383002Simon 3 comes up with it as a cope. Catherine says nothing because she does not want him to chimp out before he completes the job Sarang and the continuity retards are the same bunch. In their case its a cope excuse to kill themselves. If you take a good look around their rooms the real reason of killing themselves becomes pretty obvious>one of them wanted to go to space >another missed his kids>another misser the sun, greenery and her friends Anything but being stuck down in pathos 2
>>724383937>>724384040Lol tards. Mine is 170
>>724386294>That part where you meet the last human and euthanize her.It made me sad. Not as sad as the manga ending to Girls Last Tour (cried for 3 days), but still sad.
>>724386438Oh yeah. Well mine is 182.3
>>724377998no, it has le deep story and is mostly standing and waitingoh no the genius developer of this technology didnt put a cut and paste option for no reason so scarythe blobs of death arent scary either, i ran up to them so they would knock me out and fuck off to somewhere else on the map because i got tired of hiding forever while they hobble about aimlessly
>>724378461>At first i thought it was dead space in the ocean with guns killing monsters.why the fuck were you expecting this from Frictional, you fucking moron?all of their games have been "run away from the monster" with a heavy story focus, if you didn't want a horror walking sim then why are you playing a Frictional game? that is all they've made since they were founded in 2007it's like playing CoD 4 and then going >why do people like this game? it's just running around shooting guys, I was expecting more puzzles and survival mechanics since people praised this game specifically
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Would people get really hung up so bad about copies of themselves existing? Sure you would share memories up until a point, but immediately start diverging the moment the copy is made. It's like having a twin. Even if the twin is a reanimated dead corpse with big ol tittes
>>724386990Not getting pissed at your copies is a sign of high IQ
>>724377998You lost the coinflip, zoomie. The braindead side won.
>>724386990Depends on the circumstances. If the clone ends up the beneficiary of your hard work, then yes, any reasonable person would be fucking pissed. Any other response is mental gymnastics, literal cuck psychology.
>>724386990having a bunch of clones of myself running around sounds absolutely retarded. who would find that appealing?
>>724386990Have you ever seen a person who looks and acts like you, except they're more successful because of mere chance? It's enough to make a man murderous.
>>724387210>cuck psychologyBike cuck psychology, to be specific.
>>724387342So, whatever.
>>724386990>Would people get really hung up so bad about copies of themselves existingI think it would depend on the type of individual. If you can rationalize that you are the clone even if you may not be a clone it would be very easy to get along with any clones. However, if you're a neurotic type A personality you would pretty much fight yourself to the death because you could never see yourself as a clone.
>>724387447>donald trump creates clones of himself and turns it into a brand
>>724387217>having your own, personal gang of (you)s is tarded
>>724386990As long as nothing bad is happening to them, it's fine. I'm not so callous that I'd be willing to create copies of myself just to use as slave labor or something, but if there's just more of me out there I could not care less. If anything, great, my chances of surviving for longer have gone up. It's hard to say how I'd act in the moment but I've always thought were I in the same situation as Simon, once I was sure the copy of me was uploaded to the ark, I'd blow my head off, or otherwise ensure my permanent destruction. The copy is a continuation of my existence from the moment it was created. From its perspective, there is perfect continuity and thus there is no reason for the old body to continue existing, unless it wants to for some reason. For the copy, I might as well be dead and since it (me) is now in a better situation than the old me, there's no reason for the old me to continue existing. The new me is 99.9999% me, all that's left for the old me to experience is suicide. Since we can't cut+paste I'll just have to copy+paste and then delete the old file.
>>724387660correct.
>>724387675Fuck that. If I was Simon 3, I'd be figuring out how to get back to the surface and make a civilization of robots with human minds in them.
>>724388156Why did no one think of doing this? They had neural duplication and robot tech. Literally clone workers, engineers, scientists, mine the absolute shit out of the sea floor, expand R&D, reclaim the earth you cowards.
>>724379959Fuck off, m8.
>>724388296Maybe there's some throwaway line explaining that it's impossible or something.
>>724388738It's probably more because everything fell apart too quickly over WAU
>>724377998filtered
Nope its boring and there's no actual horror. The ending sucks too and the plottwist is easy to see coming.Play a good isometric RPG like underrail for real value singleplayer. If you want horror play outlast or amnesia
>>724389447underrail is great, but it's not a horror game.outlast sucks dick too. tormented souls is a decent survival horror game that's recent, or even stasis is better and that's a point and click that's rough around the edges.
>>724378461You're retarded. You should Simon extremely relatable.
>>724382863>I still need to play 2.No, you don't.Just play the Road To Gehenna DLC.
