It means a nationalist, imperialist, totalitarian, homogenous culture that obliterates the identity of every group it conquers.
>>724379259Nationalist towards what? Legion is literally a nomadic horde with roman trappings, romans would've considered them to be a particularly savage tribe of barbarians
>>724379259Nationalis and imperialist are antonyms.
>>724379259I wouldn't call the legion nationalist.
>>724379259>>724379375They are definitely just some wasteland barbarians, but it's important that they believe themselves something more.If they won, they would have to change to survive which makes them the more interesting faction.For instance, after taking New Vegas they could do a reverse Rome and become a republic after Caesar dies, making themselves patricians ruling disenfranchised but free plebeians.
Alas, the Anglo truly has a twisted view of the Roman
>>724379259>Legion>HomogenousGuffaw
>>724379375>>724379694One, the quote is from asking him what "Pax Romana" means.Two, his dream is to create a nation of his ideals out of the conquered remains of California.
>>724379375>Legion is literally a nomadic hordelegion controls a vast swathe of territory to the east, what you see in the mojave is an invading force
>>724379375He does say that he wants New Vegas to become his Rome
>>724379891What you see is the Legion and Arizona is largely empty save for Lanius and his elites settling a undefined conflict in the East before arriving at the Dam. It's a nomadic horde army.
>>724379259you can’t be nationalist and imperial
>>724380138The European empires were exactly that, though this contradiction did destroy them eventually.
>>724379259Caesar is literally a chud retard who wants to use an army of nigger-tier tribals to destroy the last hope of a great civilization and future for the wasteland. He's a stupid piece of shit.
>no marriages>no families>no private property >no monogamy>women do hard labor when they should be doing domestic chores>children raised in communes by the state rather than being raised by married biological parents >want to replace pre-existing ethnic and cultural identities with a new identity contrived by the state>single-minded obsession with expansion; governance is an afterthoughtIn what way is The Legion right-wing?
>>724380272>The European empires were exactly thatHow, in what way do you mean it? Does nationalism to you mean its an empire with a nation in it?
>>724380498>>want to replace pre-existing ethnic and cultural identities with a new identity contrived by the state>>single-minded obsession with expansion; governance is an afterthoughtYeah, those are what you traditionally categorize as right wing, switchbrain.
>>724380498>In what way is The Legion right-wing (American conservatism)?ftfy
>>724380683Fucking stupid.>>724380704Dodging the question.
>>724379259>buzzwords buzzwords buzzwords
>>724379259>nationalist, imperialistmake up your mind, retard
>>724380741>Dodging the question.Literally using "right wing" without defining it is dodging the answer. If your only definition of right wing is "not left-wing", you are in a mind-trap of midwits.Do you mean right-wing of current american politics, of preserving symbols of state and lowering taxation? Tacked on with neo-con foreign wars and lip service to individualism?Do you mean the origin of the term of french parlamentary system, where they are just a faction opposed to social change and preserving nobility privilidges?Do you mean in Roman times, with Optimates and plebians that we have tacked on to history?Do you mean some idiotic meme edits of glowing eyed of gay japanese men and syphilis enjoyers, telling you to be real badass dudes?`What the fuck do you mean by "right wing"?
>>724379259>reads history bookI don't think Caesar understood a single word of what he said
>>724381160>Erm, what actually is X?>Reddit spacing>"Literally"Something tells me you have a bluesky account.
>>724380498>>no marriagesFalse
Caesar should've read Spengler and Heidegger instead of the brain cancer that is Hegel.
>>724381331>to high ranking officersSo a few dozen people are allowed to have families while several thousand are living in a communist wet dream of "society". Great fucking plan.>>724381371>brain cancerI see what you did there.
>>724381371The Ghostbuster and the Shinra executive?
>>724380609>Does nationalism to you mean its an empire with a nation in it?What else could it mean?Obviously Europeans tried to instill their colonials with a shared sense of nation, but what they saw instead was "you're right nations are great, you have yours now i want mine"
>faggots STILL discussing le legion/house/ncr in the year 2010+15I thought we all realized that wildcard was the only good route the moment we met yes man?
>>7243818431. Who's "we"?2. How the fuck could you think wildcard is anything but the absolute worst route?
>>724379259>virgin: NOOOOOO HE DIDNT ACCEPT HEGEL ON HIS FACE AND PARROT EXACTLY WHAT HE ORIGINALLY MEANT LIKE I DO I AM VERY SMART AAAGGGHHHHHH>chad: yes, this is a better interpretation of reality than hegel himself had
>>724381719shared sense of nation is imperialism
>>724379375Nationalist in a more XIXth century sence. Creating a group of people that would identify as certain label. Problem is that Nationalism is a collective ideology that's supposed to be for everyone. Not with a pseudo caste system of Citizens and Subhumans. Because that will make you prone to rebelions, and that this group you opress will develop it's conciousnes by opposing you and what you stand for (see many nations in Russian Empire)
>>724382114No, that definition doesn't work.Is it imperialism if two neighbors in Jamaica have a shared sense of nation?
>>724379714How?Caesar(and frankly nobody in the Legion) talks abaut any of that. And most likely it Either becomes a rule of Strongman(Lanius most likely) or fractures into a Warlord bands trying to control Vegas aka "Rome"
>>724380043>Corruption is rareThis is where he loses me. Corruption is the NUMBER ONE problem with any form of dictatorship, fascism, autocracy whatever you wanna call it. It is literally not possible for those systems not to have endemic, severe corruption. Harsh penalties do not prevent it, if anything they encourage it
>>724380609nta but euro empires are nationalist and imperial in that thhey just treated colonies as slavefarms to extract resources
>>724382232two citizens in a country is not policy
>>724382246That's definitely a possibility, but then they'll just die off.If they want to hold Vegas in the long term they'll need to change, but how they would change? I don't know.
>>724382468that is just imperialism, the obvious example being England that treated everyone as a queen’s subject all the same under the crown.
>>724382476Neither is a shared sense of nation.But assuming you meant PROMOTING a shared sense of nation...That's basically saying every nation ever is imperialist because they all did it.Which is just pointlessly dilluting the term "imperialism"
>>7243819041. We, people with functioning brains. This does include you, right anon?2. The other routes include sucking the cock of a retarded “republic” that wants to bring back the worst parts of prewar society; sucking the cock of a LARPing cancer patient with less intelligence than a literal mole rat; and sucking the cock of a refrigerated robosexual who operates out of a casino.If any of the three main factions appeal to you more than ruling the Strip yourself, I’m afraid to say that you might just be a cuck.
>>724382579no, an empire is comprised of multiple ethnicities that bow to a single government. rome or china were not homogenous. sometimes the "barbarians" end up integrated by the main ethnicity shilling their "superior" culture see: china
>>724382756England exalted subjects from foreign colonies all the time, being english wasn’t a prerequisite
>>724382865what i meant is european colonial empires were imperialist(because they were comprised of different ethnicities) and also nationalist(because the goal of the conquest was to extract resources for mainlanders)after democracy empires in the traditional sense couldn't exist, because mainlanders would obviously be against being treated equally as people they conquested
>>724382698I simply find the concept of a computer man with an army of robots ruling over casino city to be more entertaining than other options
>>724383132>(because the goal of the conquest was to extract resources for mainlanders)the resource extraction was for the ruling class, not the benefit of mainlanders. British plebs suffered more for the exploits of colonialism that funneled resources and work away from them than they benefited. Same with romans, whos farms were outcompeted by egyptian wheat and slave plantations."Mainlanders" rarely benefitted from imperialism. Ruling class did, hence i disagree with any implication it was nationalistic.
>>724385235hard to uhhh, rebutt. i still think there's a difference between colonial empires(britain, france, belgium, netherlands, america etc.) and empires in the traditional sense(austro-hungary, russian empire)
>>724385475>and empires in the traditional sense(austro-hungary, russian empire)Well once more, which of those ethnicities in Austro-Hungary was the "mainlander"? Which benefitted from the imperialism that later integrated slavs to it that caused enough chaos for dysfunction and dissolution to be inevitable? Which nationality was the imperial family placing first? The answer is always, the imperial family and nobility itself.I know less of russian history, so i wont comment on it.Perhaps you could say that the japanese empire when they expanded into manchuria was a nationalistic empire, since it was first and foremost a resource extraction into mainland. But it was extremely short-lived, so it did not have the time to shift from a "national" focus into empire one before it was dissolved.
>>724385909>Well once more, which of those ethnicities in Austro-Hungary was the "mainlander"? Which benefitted from the imperialism that later integrated slavs to it that caused enough chaos for dysfunction and dissolution to be inevitable? Which nationality was the imperial family placing first? The answer is always, the imperial family and nobility itself.that's why i called it traditional, because it resembles something like medieval china, as opposed to a modern, nationalistic colonial empire(france).>Perhaps you could say that the japanese empire when they expanded into manchuria was a nationalistic empire, since it was first and foremost a resource extraction into mainland. i view japan as before sino-japanese war hybrid between traditional and colonial(subjects were technically treated equal but the goal was to extract resources and turn colonies into a military base, but was nationalist in the sense that they forced ainu, korean, the taiwanese and okinawans to integrate) and transitioned into a colonial empire during wwii
>>724386557Perhaps its impossible or incorrect to even try and combine nationalism and imperialism.Nationalism is a "modern" invention from french revolutions. Ethnicities existed, but a state focused on an ethnicity was before that just an unintentional byproduct of some nobility actions for their own preservation.Imperialism generates nationalism as it functions. Either as a unifying culture for the "mainlanders", or a product of resistance from colonial states or subjects. But nationalism within an empire is what will destroy it.
>>724387108>Imperialism generates nationalism as it functions. Either as a unifying culture for the "mainlanders", or a product of resistance from colonial states or subjects. But nationalism within an empire is what will destroy it.i heard putin and united russia really hate "nationalism" but they promote "patriotism" at the same time. nationalists are loyal to their ethnicity, patriots are loyal to their country. over time, if this patriotism campaign manages to succeed, they might end up creating a new ethnicity(like how USSR and yugoslavia tried, and failed, to meme stuff like "soviet man" into existance)
>>724381371>instead of the brain cancer that is Hegel.Haha but Hegel really was dogshit and I fucking hate him.
>>724381371Philosophy is gay. He never should have talked about the "Philosophy" of the Legion. No on talks like that and it makes the Legion feel really oretentioys despite being such a simple concept. Caesar never should have showed up. He should have been a mysterious tribal despot.
>>724379259>nationalist, imperialist, totalitarian, homogenous culture that obliterates the identity of every group it conquersWas there ever a case for something like this successfully existing? Because as far as I remember every single successful imperial project was created by working with everything they get and integrating it instead of trying to force one and the same ethnicity. And this is particularly true towards actual Rome, which was TOO complementary and open to new additions for its own good. I see Legion as a hilarious meta-commentary on amerimutt "trad" wignats who masturbate to Rome for some incomprehensible reason without even understanding what Rome was about. This seems to smart for zesty fart huffers responsible for writing FNV, so it likely came out like that by accident.
>>724388018>Philosophy is gay.Philosophy is important. It is just that philosophy is dominated by worthless faggots who remain unchallenged.
>>724389007If it was important it wouldn't be dominated by worthless faggots.
China is an interesting case because even to this day, Chinese is a dozen different languages larping as a single language, a lot of the sub-dialects aren't mutually intelligable. through out their history you can see the Han constantly absorb nearby ethnicities, particularly during the medieval period when the country got fractured due to turmoil caused by mass migration and invasions of different "barbarians" from the north.(5 barbarian 16 kingdom period)A fun document from this period shows a chinese man getting killed for making fun of a former-barbarian noble for having "giant eyes"(the same tribe apparently were said to have long noses too, guess what that means)Yet all of them somehow managed to be asimilated by the Han- the Tang dynasty was founded by Xianbei, barbarians, but the royals lost their nomadic tendencies as time went on.Really makes you think how Europe might have been had Rome not fell
>>724389310>Really makes you think how Europe might have been had Rome not fellWell "american" is a very recent creation. Up til WW1, the second most spoken language in america was german. It took deliberate and intense repression to dilute and destroy the different euro-ethnics in america enough to remove them as a voting block or a cultural colony.You can look at the standard, schizophrenic american mutt and see what an european mono-culture would have been, or will become.
>>724389115We are reaching levels of slave morality that should not have been possible.
>nationalistI cannot describe in words how much I hate the new world cattle that uses that word without understanding it.
>>724379375The Legion is really more of an analogy to the Mongol empire, but the franchise already has the Great Khans.
>>724379259I never understood why they treat the slaves so poorly. Seems counter-productive.
When i think of Caesar i picture Hank from Breaking Bad.
>>724390324americans dont know what words mean. They just bleat like animals as long as they get their next dose of slop for it.
>>724390445That's more or less what the voice actor looks likehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTIZ3svuNzkIdk why they don't just get this guy to also actually play him on the show but they had to go with some meme actor
>>724381283You could've just answered him, you know.
>>724390398the Legion is an analogy to the Huns, Caesar is Attila that's the entire joke, it's the Huns cosplaying as the Romans
>>724390569Who is playing ceaser on the show?
>>724379259>totalitarianIn what sense?
>>724382163>(see many nations in Russian Empire)Not that many. The only particular serious ethnic problems Russian Empire had that I recall of are with Caucasus, an on and off relationship, and with the Semites being up their own ass as usual, until they were expelled, and had USSR made as revenge for being unable to be any less up their own ass, because others are so inconvenient.That's not to say things weren't shaky at times, or non-discriminatory by nationality, or morbidly hilarious like that one crime-ridden literal Chinatown, but most issues came from elsewhere. There weren't any particular "subhuman" categories as far as I know, which is admittedly very little.Peasantry was just peasantry, not subhumanity.
>>724391114>dysfunctional backwards shithole that got BTFO in every war was...le goodkek ivans aren't sending their best are they
>>724390569He's 80 years old anon
>>724390726I doubt he is in it, unless there is a flashback.
>>724391724>got BTFO in every warAt least put on a bait on it.
>>724389115>If it was important it wouldn't be dominated by worthless faggots.>Politics isn't important because it is dominated by worthless faggots.
>>724392282>crimea>japan>wwi>russian civil warconquering siberia isn't that impressive considering it's just making the 50 guys living there sign a contract>inb4 muh napoleon
>>724379259And they dress up in football uniforms and fuck each other in the ass while a literal furfag barks orders at them, I wouldn’t worry too much about the Legion.
>>724392780Out of this conveniently small list of conflicts the transmigrating historical Russia was in, only the Russo-Japanese War was a purely Russian matchup, and even then issues came from chaos more than actual human capacity at fighting, plus the Empire was in its downfall.Crimean was an extremely tight war sponsored by Rothschilds no less (the entire war's purpose was to gang-up on Russia to prevent contestion of the gold standard), but there were some truly bad moves.WW1 was a full bloodbath for everyone, and the Empire, once again, dying. Chances to ally with Germans were sabotaged by the British and the French.A civil war is a civil war, whoever wins it, the people may still remain, and they do. Commies very much had a chance of losing at certain points.
>>724379259Caesar is a globalist. Real rightwingers would preserve traditional tribal culture instead of replacing it with an artificial construct culture for cohesion and making all the young men wear skirts. This glowie fuck literally used to be a Follower of the Apocalypse and by his own definition is a profligate - he was raised NCR.
>>724393902>Real rightwingers would have never evolved past the tribal fazei am not surprised by the admission.
>>724382329You're right, people often make the mistake of assuming a government is either stupid or evil when the two often go hand-in-hand. But I assume much of the uptick in corruption comes from the destruction of pre-existing institutions and the elevation of sycophants. At least in terms of dealing with tribals, the former can't even happen as tribes don't even really have sophisticated institutions and the latter can't get any worse than how it operates in tribal society.
>>724382329Depends on what you mean by "corruption".
>>724390253Are you retarded? Like 90% of Philosophy is iterating Slave morality.
>>724379259>an entire army of unwashed men in football gear and they have a thing for slavery??PLEASE Todd...I can only get so erect.
>>724392764Government is literally not important. It's something for old men to do. People thinking I matters is why so many western countries are so shit. Everyone is wasting their energy bitching about nonsense
>>724393351>and even then issues came from chaos more than actual human capacity at fightingthis is pure copium, organisation is part of a nation's capacity for war, france, japan and italy COULD have avoided their disastrous performance during WWII if they hade brighter people in charge
>>724395358and in WW1 Russia's disastrous performance would have been avoided if anyone other than Nicholas II was in charge funny how that works
>>724379259>nationalist, imperialistah yes, just like capitalist communists and anarchist monarchists
>>724396421Nah, that bed was already made. Nicholas exacerbated the issue but the Russian army was already so antiquated and low on morale.The real fuck up was putting his wife in charge of civil governmenr
>>724388057>I see Legion as a hilarious meta-commentary on amerimutt "trad" wignats who masturbate to Rome for some incomprehensible reasonDoubtful. I don't think the Greek statue avatar 'retvrn to tradition' types were around in 2010.
>>724379259Isn't he actually a jobber who wants the wasteland society to "evolve" by defeating them?
>>724397228>I don't think the Greek statue avatar 'retvrn to tradition' types were around in 2010.Brother, they were around in 100 AD
>>724397036nah Nicholas genuinely ranks up there with the worst rulers in historyRussia actually did manage to score a couple of big wins against Austria before he assumed full command, and might have been capable of knocking them out of the war, but Nicholas actively held that back and then proceeded to eat shit against the Germans in the worst possible wayThere's a good reason it was Russia's soldiers who rebelled eventually, and him trying to LARP as a soldier was a major part of itRusso-Japanese war was also 100% him and so was all the idiotic attempts to remove social progress in Russia and try to maintain what was effectively a medieval systemNicholas II was a terrible ruler, and the Russian civil war and the eventual rise of Communism can be blamed on him personally for like 90%, he genuinely is one of those people the world would have been better of for if he was never born
>>724396701It could be forgiven with the wasteland context, where there are no real nations left, just tribal societies. Hence a national imperialist as someone using imperialism to create a nation.Just like Trump said he is a Nationalist and a Globalist.
>>724379259Oh, to surrender identity and be subsumed into a big homogeneous totalitarian blob that obliterates. Truly, the dream.
>>724395119>people raping you is not important
>>724398025Just pull your buttcheeks up by your bootstraps, sonny.
>>724397334>The Roman larpers execute a missionary called Joshua.>He survivesRome is portrayed as the enemy in-game because the writers are jewish, and they have a bad history with Rome. It's really not that deep.
>>724397654>have secret agents ilfiltrate unions so they will rally for himself and not for communists>secret agent succeeds, peasants now rally for you>proceed to shoot them anyways300IQ move
>>724379714That entire faction is definitely only lasting as long as Caesar is alive.
>>724382329This is what I come to /v/ for. The political takes of 16 year olds
>>724382329>>724394424Late roman republic was absurdly corrupt. No election happened without a king's ransom in bribes trading hands. If anything turning into an empire stifled it somewhat, replacing corruption with murder as to who gets to rule next.
>>724400176And then Empire became a mess of corruption see the Pretorian Guard. Or various emperors. It franklin became a mess in of itself. One could say that all states WILL posses some corrupion. Some are just better at reining it. Be they autocracies or democracies. Rome was a mess and...well siee pic.
>>724399980This but unironically.
>>724398025Correct. You manage that shit
>>724379259Guys, how did Bobby Hill became the leader of Caesar's Legion? Is this achievable natty?
>>724401986>takes no actions to prevent them from raping you furtherAt that point unless you are sleeping, it isn't rape anymore.
>>724379375Caesar wants New Vegas to be the Legion's Rome
>>724395119>Government is literally not importantWhat does that even mean? How can the government not be important in a system where it governs?
