I think that the actual significance of this game being a hit is showing that there's a market for JRPG gameplay divorced from JRPG storytelling.JRPGs as they currently exist are kind of an interactive extension of the anime industry. There's subtle differences, but not enough to differentiate the audiences much. And that's fine, anime is a growing medium and people like the games that are getting made. But there's a huge audience of people who play video games who aren't gonna show up for coming of age stories about ridiculously clothed teens with technicolor hair, high pitched voices, poor communication skills etc.It's incredibly healthy for the gameplay structure to be divorced from the art and storytelling expectations that have gotten so entrenched. There's no reason for them to have to be a package deal. Games like Expedition 33 will lead to a wider audience playing this style of game, which will lead to more and different developers taking chances making these games, which leads to a more diverse and vibrant scene overall.Meanwhile Atlus will continue making Persona "my self insert high school anime fantasy" and Square Enix will continue making Kingdom Hearts games about the power of friendship and light overcoming darkness. Falcom will never make a game about a character older than 19. The games that were already getting made are not at all under threat, there's no downside.
>>724412261Sorry I don’t play games with useless male protagonists
>game for adults sellsYea no shit. Atlus needs to really just dig in. SMT VV had an M rating but did nothing with it. I don't mind the high schooler setting but make the story and visuals darker and more gritty.
>>724412393>Gustave invents arguably the strongest technology known to their people>useless Didn't play the game award. Keep parroting tendie seethe posts
>asset store slopthank you saar for givine me a job,
>>724412438Yeah, it's kinda ridiculous that Japanese devs think their main audience is 15 year olds who have no money and aren't into these old IP's anyway.
>>724412261There's a big fucking 33 and in the title of the game. How do you guys not notice this shit?
>>724412669Franco freemasonry is kind of more fake than normal freemasonry.
>>724412261Most games are already for adults nowadays. If anything there's a huge lack of games made for children, it's almost only Nintendo and some indie devs.
>>724412748either way, its a jewish cult and they rape children.And yeah, when the devs could have put ANY number but 33, kind of raises my suspicion.
>>724412438>>game for adults sellsall games are for children. stop coping
>>72441311833 is an excellent number because it is my age. This game was made for me.
>>724412261Here's your non-JRPG storytelling, bro
>>724413428But you should've gommage'd during the prologue then.
>>724413240>play porn game >anon somehow thinks this is for children
>>724413498Bitch took speech lessons from politicians.
>>724412261Exp33 fans are so delusional
>>724412261JRPGs aren’t for you, and you don’t understand otaku media. Stay away from the things I like.
>>724414418JRPG's are much broader than "otaku media" lmao you're actually delusional, most JRPG fans have no idea wtf is Rance or whatever "otaku" game
>>724412669>>724412748>>724413118unironically take your meds and go outside
>>724412261>there's a market for JRPG gameplay divorced from JRPG storytelling.but this game is jrpg storytelling that's borderline plagiarism at times divorced from jrpg gameplay.
>>724413529for manchildren, yes
>>724414418Nice reading comprehension. OP's entire point is that there's a huge market for people who like JRPGs divorced from the JRPG modern core culture. The point is we don't want the same games you want. We want different games. You can have JRPG slop all for yourself. I have no interest in changing it. Have fun.
>>724414637>>724414882Stay away from the things I like
>>724412261e33 is basically FF10 though. the problem is square doesnt want to make turnbase games that arent just repacked games from 30 years ago
>>724412261I don’t find that to be significant. anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see games like stick or truth, pokemon, and hell even baldurs gate being successful. companies release a bad product because they are cheap and lazy and just claim that the market isn’t there when it flops. it’s really a tale as old as time
>>724414665>take ur meds>go outsideWow, very creative man. Did you come up with this one yourself or did you just repeat the same sentence other anons have said in your online echo chamber?
>>724415565Do you think Metaphor ReFantazio is cheap and lazy? It took the Persona 5 team (this is Atlus's A team mind you) many years to make, and E33 already outsold it more than twice.
>>724415749yes. just a persona ripoff that wasn’t marketed nearly as much as e33
>>724412261>ridiculously clothed teens with technicolor hair, high pitched voices, poor communication skills etcyou are fucking retarded
>>724416023>there's this one game from 30 years agoLMAO, who is the actual retard here?
>>724412261what makes e33 great isn't just the battle being turn based, it's a combination of multiple elements that just don't exist in most japanese rpgs (for example, mature dialogue that doesn't involve the usual japan moe things or the marvel-esque jokes in american games)ffxvi was a great game for me, but for all its highest highs, it definitely had the lowest lows with some of them not even combat relatedjust because your game is turn based will not guarantee it'll be good
>>724414352The game is a good litmus test for how bad your taste is, however. I've begun writing off anyone who praises the game as anything more than, "A decent time for not as much money as a AAA game."
>>724416197>and that one game from 30 years ago shit on your E33 gameLEL, who is the actual retard here?
>>724412261You think this story wasn't prime JRPG slop? You dont play many JRPGs then
E33 was 9/11 for FFfags. Even after E33 fans have moved on, FFfags will not. They'll be seething forever.There is literally no reason for anyone to be mad about E33. A small (white) team made a good game not based on an existing IP and it was a hit. It's the only truly feel good game industry story we've had in a decade. It's a miracle it happened in the middle of the worst hellscape the medium has ever gone through. The ONLY reason to be mad about it is if you're a FF retard who is threatened by its mere existence. They also have no reason to seethe at Metaphor. Nobody else even gives a shit about Metaphor. Only FFfags talk about Metaphor. But E33 committed the unforgiveable crime of being popular.
>>724416845Shut the fuck up, idiot.
>>724415161I will. That's what I'm trying to say. Are you dense?
>>724416249NOWAY
>>724416845I’m mad that the aesthetic is ugly and the dialogue is cringe (written by a woman). I was looking forward to it since they announced it at e3. I played it on gamepass and was very bored with it. gameplay was ok I guess but it really felt like the most insignificant part of the game
>>724416845True. I expect they'll be mad at you for saying this but offer very little in terms of rebuttal.>>724418013Yeah, like this.
>>724412669>>724413118do you actually have any relevant analysis to mention about the game regarding this or are you going to just keep going DUHH HURR MASONS GUYS THIS GAME IS LE MASONIC in every thread for the next decade or so until your autismbux run out?
>>724412261>divorced from JRPG storytellingThe story is kill god, doesn't get more JRPG than that
>>724412261this just reads like that book tiktoker being surprised that TLOU had a decent story but in a delusional analytic manner, you don't fucking play games or jrpgs if you think this game's industry impact should somehow be anything other than "hey yeah japan doesn't need to be the only ones making games in this style"
>>724418615>The story is kill godclearly didn't play the game, why even bother with this thread?
>>724412261I'm sorry but appart from the protags designs that are more realistic I think the story and setting is pure JRPG stuff. Granted there isn't too much cringy stuff about friendship and moe but the structure is the same, the message is the same. The aesthetic and the weird turn based gameplay made it look like it was something original but in reality it's really nothing interesting. Very shallow
>>724418776to be fair the “you must now face the choice of killing something that now feels human because we made you spend 30 hours with them even though they are actually not real people” lesser of two evils trope is equally as fucking shitty
>>724418904>I'm sorry but appart from the protags designs that are more realistic I think the story and setting is pure JRPG stuff.I'm also sorry because I'm about to BTFO you, because you see, E33 doesn't have any of the following:>bland mc with no agency>mascot telling you what to do all the damn time>power of friendship scenes>flashbacks and recaps to 5 minutes ago>characters constantly explaining what's happening and what they're doing>wait, is that...? what an immense aura>I need to use THAT power -- Noooo, MC-kun, noo>that won't be necessary>it can't be helpedetc etc
I have anime fatigue, Dragon quest is an outliar, every Jar pig now looks like some moe hentai slop, what happened to unique artstyles like fullmetal alchemist
>>724420087fma sucks dick
The funny thing is that like all JRPGs, it's still about killing God with a team of spunky young people, but there's a twist
>>724420087>Jar pig now looks like some moe hentai slopChinese gachashit has next to no variety, so everything looks the same from there.Some JRPGS don't have the moe hentai look or Nomura-dogshit plaguing most of nu-Squeenix, not a lot but still some.
>>724420179>team of spunky young people32 is ancient by normal JRPG standards.
>>724420179the twist is that women could and do grow attached to something as nonsentimental as an abuser. it’s a no brainer to destroy the painting
>>724420347true, Maelle would be the old woman in an average JRPG. Gustave and Verso would be ancient old men with white hair and wrinkly skin (at age 30)
>>724420394>the twist is that women could and do grow attached to something as nonsentimental as an abuserThat's not a twist if it's rampant in real life.
>>724420115Better than nu-anime
It has the same self-sabotaging life-affirming message as Persona 5 and 4,and it self-sabotages itself in the same way as 5.
>>724420554Brotherhood maybe. the original was pretty bad
>>724412261>story is about trad man tard wrangling his wife and daughter because they couldn't stop doing methunfathomably basedand it was written by a woman, this is what women actually want btw, a pretty good red pill right there
>>724412438>game for söy-consuming manchildren sellsFTFY
>>724421972>STOP QUOTING PAH-PAHShut the fuck up shart
Metaphor is an infinitely better game than E33. It has:>An actual storyline that doesn't rely on mysteries so heavily that it would make Damon Lindelof blush>Characters that actually have arcs and narrative importance rather than just being shoved to the side and forgotten halfway trough the story>An actual artstyle that doesn't look like someone haphazardly spread unreal engine stock assets around>Much better thematic cohesion of its core themes (Social anxieties and how they affect people's understanding of leadership and politics, how escapism is both dangerous but also intrinsically connected to the human experience and how imagination is necessary to forge a better future)>An actual good gameplay system that isn't reliant on a stupid parry QTEYou know why E33 is more popular and more critically acclaimed? Because it caters to western sensibilities and to the sensibilities of those who fundamentally do not like JRPGs. You see it in discussion regarding all Atlus games, it's the same normalfags who think they're yucky and childish because the characters are young. They see the tropes of the genre as fundamentally outdated and bad (as seen in this very thread). E33 is a JRPG for people who fundamentally hate JRPGs. It's for people who want to come into the genre and say "see, it's so much better when you add a QTE event mechanic instead of that boring turn based gameplay, and it's so much better when everything is super serious and melodramatic and the characters are older", because their shallow understanding of storytelling stops at the visual. E33 is a profoundly mediocre game.
>>724422128There was nothing to fix you're like those retarded Karens who stick their nose in other peoples buisness and shit up the place leaving while saying "you're welcome" buy a noose and a stool faggot
>>724422197>JRPG for people who hate JRPGI'm so tired of this retarded anecdotal garbage. There's millions of JRPG fans who bought and enjoyed E33. Only faggots who seethe about change have been saying this. The ones with autism who need anime graphics in everything to enjoy it. Me and several long time JRPG players in my friendgroup played E33 and everyone ended up 100%ing it, while not a hard challenge it still takes around 60 hours.
>>724412261I agree with pretty much everything you said. This is a good post.
>>724416845>stale pastaRebirth is getting a sequel before e33 and metaflop
>>724422197>metaflop>an actual good gameplay systemKek, when your casual garbage lets you restart battles at any time.
>>724412261>anime is a growing mediumlol
>>724412261The plot is very JRPG, it's the execution of how the plot is conveyed is different from most JRPGs
>>724413118>>724412669do you piss and shit yourselves as well when a receipt at a gas station rings up as 6.66
>>724412261>I think that the actual significance of this game being a hit is showing that there's a market for JRPG gameplay divorced from JRPG storytelling.no, retard good personthe Real significance of the game is proof that it is indeed still possible to match up to the soul of 2000s vidya and that in the sea of slop. the entire game is 1 huge checkmate to the overran-by-investors dying industry that rehashes slop after slop, it stands out as a soulful gem made as a passion project.
>>724412261>divorced from JRPG storytellingHaven't played it. Doesn't it pull a Star Ocean 3/PSO2?
>>724422197Metaphor's gameloop just an endless cycle of farming good boy points (i.e. tolerance) and grinding the same goblin in the same cookie cutter dungeon over and over again. You couldn't possibly make a worse JRPG even if you tried.Also, Metaphor's relationship system is a complete bore. Every arc starts with an "awakening scene" that has the character rip out their metallic imaginary heart (for some reason) and talk to an imaginary crowd that gives them a standing ovation It's genuinely cringeworthy af. That overdone tranime shit is probably the biggest reason why so many people found E33 so refreshing. People don't need 'High School Musical"-esque setpieces to know someone is experiencing an emotional situation.
>>724412261Japanese storytelling is fucking terrible.
>>724425750Thanks for proving everything i said
>>724423502>staleIt's still true, hasn't been refuted, and it's pissing off the right people. It will be stale when you stop malding at it.
>>724423502>game in the one of the most recognized and famous ip's with a multibillion dollar company backing it gets a faster sequel than the AA passion projectreally? damn
>>724422197>An actual artstyleYou want profound mediocrity? Just turn on Metaphor and walk through any town. Besides the obvious quest givers with 10000% bloom, you'll be lucky to see one interesting NPC walk past you, lol. Some of them are barely even rendered.
>>724416845True and saved for future use
>>724418776you kill alicia, renoir and maelle, they're the gods of the painted world, retard
>>724428418kek retard
>>724428418Painted Renoir and Alicia are not "gods of the painted world" at all. The only ones that could be interpreted as such are the painters, and you only defeat Aline and Maelle without killing either.
>>724427001>francois is basically the axon of Renoir, acts really grumpy but is a softy deep downfucking love this game
Do play Fantasian if you liked Expedition33 and or ever liked classic Final Fantasy.
>>724412669what does 33 mean in schizospeak?
>I think that the actual significance of this game being a hit is showing that there's a market for JRPG gameplay divorced from JRPG storytelling.Yeah, It's normies first JRPG. Game almost out-normies FFVII and Persona 5.
>>724412261no one will admit it but turn based combat is very good for people that aren't good at games and is a big reason for the game's success
>>724431491You did not play the game
>>724412261The story is literally SnK with a meta twist and the MC is a hot underage girl, I don't get it at all where these people who say "it doesn't have any JPRG/anime writing hurrr" retards come from, they haven't probably played a single JRPG or watched any anime besides seeing a parody on Family Guy or something
>>724412261I didn't read all this but I enjoyed the game. So good for you or I am sorry that you felt that way, whatevet fits better.We will now spend 10+ hours watching pic related have another melty.
>>724412261Final Fantasy VII is the most famous JRPG ever made and it's an adult cast
>>724432669>can't read 3 short paragraphsalpha gen is so cooked
>>724412261>divorced from JRPG storytelling.Yeah, JRPGs could never have lots of cutscenes and on rails gameplay, a mysterious villain, tons of exposition dumping and melodrama towards the end and social links in between major events.
>>724428779You kill the soul of Verso, which is god to the painted world
>bla bla blaBoring game, boring thread.
>Final Fantasy thread: which of these random off-model blender whores that would never talk to you in real life would you fuck bumped from page 10 for 30 hours>Expedition 33 thread: here is an analytical evaluation of the game, the genre and the mechanics while we listen to the game's music, debate character motivation and discuss the thematic conceptsAnd people wonder why the E33 playerbase gatekeeps.
Verso was right in the end. His sufferring justified him.
>>724432749Too bad about the Remake slop though.
>>724434382>nominations
>>724434382Didn't it win like 1 out of those 7? For best music or some other sympathy prize? Which of course didn't make sense either considering 90% of the good music came from the OG from the 90s.
>>724422197Nobody playing Metaphor in English played it because it doesn't have an English translation made by someone who knows Japanese
The poster boy of the PS5 Pro. Sony paid big.
>>724412261Correct, one of the groups constantly seething about this game are diehard weebs. I like anime and a lot of anime artstyle JRPGs, there's simply room for many types of games in the world.
>>724418479Anyone bitching about masons is too afraid to say "jews" or running cover for kikes. The bad shit masons do is done as golems in service to kike overlords. Jews don't like this game because they run big game companies that push trannies on everyone, and this game was made by a (relatively) small european team.
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>>724425760It's really this, they are just incapable of treating the audience as adults with functioning brains so every plot point has to be obvious, every twist has to be signposted, every theme needs to be hamfisted, and all of these things need to be recapped to the player several times. It's like how streaming shows are written around someone watching while on their phone, "second screen" is what they call it. Just assuming your audience is retarded and not paying attention so the final product is shallow and predictable
some guy is uploading parts of the concert if anyone cares https://youtu.be/gTb1-79_3zw?si=jQ1ZIxjfQvzkgy1w
>>724435013There's only one group of people who are genuintely upset this game exists and this thread should pretty easily tell you who that is.
>>724434382>nominationslmao, now show me the "shipped and sold" numbers
>>724435607ff fans and tendies, to be sure.
>>724432329They're probably the same retards that said Xenoblade 1 is a WRPG.
>>724415968>E33 was marketed more than MetaphorAre you actually fucking serious here?
0 days since /v/ cried over this game
>>724412261>It's incredibly healthy for the gameplay structure to be divorced from the art and storytelling expectations that have gotten so entrenched. I haven't played E33 so I won't comment on that, but my beef with JRPGs is precisely that the "gameplay"(if you even can call it that) and the story telling are divorced for most part. Sometimes there's a plot relevant gimmick but it's superficial and the gameplay boils down to mindlessly spamming attacks 99% of the time. As for the actual storytelling, I agree that JRPGs also have to improve their shit. Most JRPGs just feel like bad shonen anime. There's tons of good anime and they have to choose the worst genre for their storytelling just because it's techinically the most "popular" genre. The issue though is that shonen anime is made for small kids and it's usually available for free on public TV. In other words, it's only popular because kids are retarded and it's not the type of content writers should incorporate in a $80 fucking game.
The fact that there's people on this board who's mentality is: "just give E33 the GOTY" is concerning.
>>724436013It's a good game in a year of bad games. Who's the competition, really?>hadeslmao
>>724412261Nothing really changes other than chinks will try to copy it and fail
>>724416304If you hate the plot of this game you literally had a bad upbringing or are brown or both because you cannot comprehend love, grief, and purpose.
>>724425760>>724435563Also it's a pretty wide cultural divide. Often Asian stories don't really translate well into Western minds, just a lack of implicit understandings, connotations, etc so they either have to state everything explicitly and ruin any subtlety, or change it and I would imagine the reverse is true as well. Just two+ very different ways of seeing ourselves and the world.
>>724436071>Who's the competition, really?oh idk, maybe that one game that crashed the digital stores on all major platforms
>>724438850Great game anon, but... Well, be realistic.
