So...that went fucking nowhere
>>724413245kys jason
It got overshadowed by real problems like1) Internet ID laws2) Payment processors censoring what can be bought and sold3) Capitalism in general
>>724413245you know what games and the internet need? MORE regulation!
yup, just 4channers jumping on the latest bandwagon, embarrassing reallyif this had been 2011 /v/ people would have rightfully laughed and mocked this retarded initiative
>>724413614not sure how removing food stamps from lazy parasites is a problem
>>724413245you cant expect zoomers to follow a cause for longer than an entire week, come on now
>>724413691Tick tock Shlomo
maybe there are more pressing matters than couple weirdos not being able to play the crew
>>724413245gaymers finally realized if this law was passed it would kill off multiplayer games entirely
>>724413754>lazy parasitesless than half of the american workforce earns a living wage
>>724413245that dude piracy games or whatever got cancelled because of it , so at least it accomplished something
>>724413754Because even if they are lazy parasites, supporting them wouldn't be a big expense, meanwhile the actual lazy parasites destroying the world, the billionaires, are sucking all the money out of everyone's pockets and the retards of the current administration are only to happy to oblige them.
>>724413992it doesn't kill multiplayer games at all.there's huge ton of videos explaining how this work. and here again you have another retard talking something that is not. all the nonsense piratesoftware said was debunked a billion times already.
>>724414094>the actual lazy parasites destroying the world, the billionairesWe literally keep you alive.
>>724413754The real lazy parasites are:- shareholders- creditors- people who just "own things"These people do literally nothing productive and make money by taking it from people who actually workJeff Bezos makes 8 million dollars an hour, even if he's sleeping or jacking offWhere do you think that money comes from? It comes from workers.T value these workers are generating are not going to them, it's going to people who don't work, i.e. shareholders, creditors, and people who just "own things".You never call them out
>>724413245The EU moves slowly, that is known.I don't think we will see anything before a year or so, that's how things like these work.
>>724413245release the ferrets, jason
>>724414094oh you mean the people providing the jobs?
>>724414203people are poor because of their own intellect. thats how it be
>>724414052He still has thousands of daily viewers who pay him to play vidya on his dev streams and they learn how to make games from his advices videos, owed to all the experience he earned while he browsed Reddit during his stay at Blizzard. That dirty furry still makes more money than you.
>>724414340Our society literally doesn't function without poor people.
>>724414007Seems like an inefficient government, they should revolt.
>>724413992God you niggers are so fucking brainless it's surreal
>>724414340>people are poor because of their own intellectok retard
>>724413809It got the signatures as needed, citizens initiatives take months of lawyers grumbling before anything gets seriously moving. There's nothing else to be said, and there won't be for some time.
>>724414203ok cool but you're not actually going to do anything about it so why post?
>>724414197You also keep them alive because their existence is based around stealing your resources as much as they possibly can. They take your water, your arable land, your infrastructure and they give nothing back, and then you say "but the poor are getting a free ride!" as if it's even remotely close to the biggest problem we're facing currently.
>>724414340Yeah, how dare they not be intelligent enough to manipulate the primordial essence of our universe to forcefully switch places with a soul who was about to be conceived as the very fortunate future offspring of a leading industry mogul?
>>724413245Release the files
>>724414279Yes, the people providing wage slavery where they give you just enough to keep you from fighting back while never letting you actually be happy.
>>724413614I'm trans btw
>>724414340At least you didn't say work ethic, because you can work every waking hour of your life doing the hardest job possible, and not make as much money as Jeff Bezos does in 1 hour of masturbating and passively stealing value generated by other people working>>724414279The funny thing about modern capitalism is it's not a choiceYou literally, by law, can't opt-out of capitalismYou can't just "go live in the woods"All land is owned, anywhere you go is trespassing, even if you owned the plot of land you couldn't just build your own house, that's illegal tooHunting is illegal, fishing is illegal, farming on some random spot of land is illegalEven selling things on the street is illegalIt seems to me, the only option left, if you didn't simply already start with money, is to work an approved job by the people who own you (the state and capitalists), to earn their currency, or else your existence is illegalThis meets the factual definition of slavery
>>724413754What happens when we don't have bread and circuses?
>>724415274>neph hasn't figured out that humanity's entire history has had a social and economic hierarchyall land was owned by barons and lords too, dickhead. Someone with more power than you WILL have more authority over your own existence than yourself. Always has, always will.
>>724415274 im so glad even shitlibs hate you commies
>>724413245>So...that went fucking nowhereIt succeeded perfectly so far you lying retard. We always knew that after the signatures are collected, it's going to take like a year before the first preliminary hearings start and after that it will be another 3-5 years before any legislation is drawn. That's how EU works: slow.
>>724413659maybe those short-term-thinking dipshits should've self-regulated then
>>724413754NEETs rules
soo huh what happened to this?
>>724413245to the surprise of fucking no one.
>>724413245>So...that went fucking nowhereAre you retarded? It takes time to work this properly. If you actually visited the SKG threads you should know that it will take time for the final result to come out.
>>724419216where are we right now? did it reach the eu?
I know it was F2P slop trying to cash in on Hearthstone's popularity but I do wish I could try that Elder Scrolls card game
>>724415563People complain about the government being slow in all things then get surprised that government are slow in implementing things.Basically: Retardation.Speaking of retardation, I saw one video where they proposed the better solution should not be how the EU usually handles these situations (Fines and other forms of it) but instead that if they "kill" games then they should remove the copyright protections of the game in the EU. In theory, this would at least be in line with semi-libertarian thought, but in practice, these companies that do this shit are mostly foreign and thus could go through legal means in their own countries to fight it hard. Also, convincing any politician to fuck with copyright is a pipedream.
We failed
>>724414203TRVTHNVKEt.have 7 figures in cryptoit's unironically the rich get richer, the more funds you have the easier it gets to be paid by doing less. Hard or even smart work is a massive meme
>>724413245It went to the EU governing body, now we wait for the boomers to get around to it in the next year or two
>>724413659The regulation is necessary to fix the shortsighted mistake of applying copyright law to software and then expanding it with the DMCA and corresponding WIPO treaties.Ideally copyright for software would get removed and rebuilt without relying on the a model derived from bloated 19th century publishing and government censorship, but that's just not going to happen in one big go.>>724413992Some of the biggest current multiplayer games are based on mods of games.>>724420597>in practice, these companies that do this shit are mostly foreign and thus could go through legal means in their own countries to fight it hardYeah, US companies already send C&Ds to people in the EU that are using works that are public domain in the EU (70 year duration), but not in the US (90 year duration).
>give the same people in charge that want us dead and replaced with thirdies more power over everythingwhat a fantastic idea
>>724413245Don’t you find it funny how anytime there’s a law that could possibly benefit normal people it takes an eternity to only PARTIALLY pass but whenever it’s something that directly benefits richfags THEN the bureaucrats are able quickly enact shit.
>>724413245>So...that went fucking nowhereThere's a three month period during which signatories are being verified, before the EU Commision will decide on scheduling the first hearings if the signatories are found to pass.And it's not been three full months yet.We should be hearing something soon though, come start of November.
>>724413245Fuck it, I'll just show the most recent update the behind-the-scenes crew gave on the official Reddit:https://www.reddit.com/r/StopKillingGames/comments/1og0kb3/stop_killing_games_announcement/
>>724413245Just because you get something to the EU doesn't meant these senile old fags will pass it
>>724413245Not gonna lie, I legitimately and genuinely had no idea what the fuck these threads were about. Like not a single solitary fucking clue. Who was killing games? I don't know.
>>724427428Thats cool anon.thanks for sharing
>>724413245Correct.Anyone who THINKS this'll do anything should Google TRIPPS.
>>724414007That portion of Americans who do not own a living wage should starve to death.
>>724413614>It got overshadowed by real problems likeAll those problems and the ones SKG is fighting are under the same umbrella caused by the same corporations but people are too ADHD to focus on more than one.
>>724413245I told you idiots from the start this wouldn't accomplish anythingall that was ever going to change is storefronts going from "buy game" to "buy game loicense"
>>724413245t. Retard that doesnt know the lawIt got the signatures. It takes months of deliberation from lawyers now before we see anything tangible.
>>72441938495% of sigs were confirmed valid and it started an assload of talk behind the scenes according to the SKG discord. There was also a campaign to provide viewpoints on some game related stuff regarding the DSA (i think?) which thanks to SKG also received way more input than most other regulatory input things the EU sometimes has up on their website.
>>724431571>I told you idiots from the start this wouldn't accomplish anythingShit is literally proceeding forward. Get FUCKED.
>>724431796Oh yeah it was this consultation thing linked on the SKG websitehttps://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/14622-Digital-Fairness-Act
>>724413659Games? Yes, unironically. Unless you enjoy being treated like a paypig.
>>724413245I knew this shit was gonna go nowhere the minute the subreddit started attacking and malaligning anyone who criticized the project in the mildest way possible lol
>>724431571Doesn't work that way in the EU.You can't legally "buy a license."In the case of physical: you either buy a good; or you buy a service.Or in case of digital: you buy digital content, or you buy a digital service.You cannot 'buy a license' as the primary product.The license is treated simply as ancillary terms and conditions to the main product - which is what you're actually buying.And the license cannot overrule your given rights for that product, or overturn the legal obligations the trader and supplier have to you.
>>724414898>ok cool but you're not actually going to do anything about it so why post?This. Please announce your intentions to do violence and post your IP and SSNs.
>>724431898yeah and after the proceedings all that'll change is the "buy game" button flipping over to say "buy license" insteadcongrats, you've accomplished nothing
>>724432145No. Because >>724432054
>>724414340>You're not much of a kike enough to live. Thats how it be
>>724432054 (cont.)Furthermore, the EU Commision has already confirmed towards the EU Parliament that for the question whether it is legal for the other party to at nothing but their own discretion terminate the contract the consumer holds with them, the actual form of the contract - whether good, service, digital content, or digital service DOES NOT MATTER. Whichever it is classified as, the product must still follow common stipulations of law wrt informational requirements on the nature of the product, fairness of contractual terms, and avoidance of misleading business practices.
>>724413659I wouldn't mind the corpos to do what they want but since they are so hellbent on being evil kikes unable to stop themselves from draining everyone of all their value and spirituality and destroying life all for short term profits next quarter, they deserve to get fucked with by gov
>>724432054>>724432145whatever legal term allows subscriptions and digital distribution to exist will continue to apply to vidyahere in burgerland that's called a license, maybe your backwater shithole calls it something elseit literally doesn't matter, the point is that storefronts will just use that term now rather than actually change how they do amything
>>724413245That's because you can't own digital media, much less digital services. Getting 1,000,000 Eurostrokes together to stomp their feet about this fact changes nothing. Then end result of this tantrum disguised as pro consumer legislation will be larger and bolder symbols on packaging and marketing reiterating that you can't own services.
>>724432638>whatever legal term allows subscriptions and digital distribution to exist will continue to apply to vidyaYeah- that's called a "digital service."Fun fact: the EU Court of Justice has already ruled that whenever a piece of software accompanied by terms and conditions that do not limit the contract to one of determinate time, the software is not a service but is a good. i.e. it's digital content, not a digital service.Also- the EU Court of Justice has ruled that the waiver clause for the right of withdrawal which is available to traders on digital content, is to be interpreted STRICTLY as only applying to sale of digital content and not as for subscription to a digital service. So if e.g. Steam or PSN would want to sell you a game 'license' as a digital subscription, you would have a legal standing right to pull out of that purchase within 14 days and be due your money back, with NO WAY for them to request you to waive that right. Because the waiver doesn't exist for digital services, only for digital content - where you actually own the copy.
>>724432054>take legal advice from someone who doesn't understand how a credit card worksI think I'll pass
>>724413659If you're against more regulations, then repeal all of the nonsense that is copyright, patent law, and the DMCA.
>>724433546Correct, those are as much cancer as this stupid fucking idea. Vote for taking down regulations instead of creating more next time.
>>724432638>it literally doesn't matter, the point is that storefronts will just use that term now rather than actually change how they do amythingIt doesn't matter what terminology storefronts prefer to use. What matters is how the product is interpreted in the eyes of the law.And if storefronts would persist in 'fucking about', then sooner or later they invariably would start 'finding out.'Just as has been happening with the GDPR, the DSA, and the DMA.Basically - the EU is tired of US companies shit. They're either going to start complying with actual law, or they can fuck off.And there is no way those companies (and more precisely: no way their *shareholders*) are going to choose to withdraw from as sizeable a market as the EU.Especially not when that will leave a monumental vacuum capable of being filled by their competitors.
>>724433546Protecting property rights and enforcing contracts is one of the only legitimate jobs of the government.>b-but copyright shouldn't exist I should just be able to download everything other people made for freeoh I'm talking to a child
>>724433406Joke's on you. I have a credit card. I just almost never am required to use it.Which avoids me having to accrue debt and pay interest on payments.Debit payments are nice and cheap.Of course things might be different in Burgerland, where apparently the more loans you take out and repay in a fucked up pyramid scheme the more 'trustworthy' you are and thus the more you can lend. Which is basically an economic bubble. (Which we've seen before when the housing bubble went *pop* in the early 2000s, didn't we?)
>>724433635>t. retarded mutt
>>724433859OR, hear me out, copyright shouldn't restrict what I'm allowed to do with my legally purchased copy of a video game. If I buy a game legitimately, I should be allowed to break DRM to keep playing it after the game shuts down, and I should be allowed to mod and romhack it for personal use, and I should be allowed to make backup copies.What kinda retard would argue against these basic rights?
>>724433546What's your personal political ideals? Ancap? Communism? If you have a problem with capitalism, enlighten us on what you want to replace it with.
>>724433346ok? so they'll call it an "indeterminate rental" and you get two weeks to refund itnice lateral move, retard
Will The Crew accounts in Europe be tied to your government digital ID now?
>>724434146You can already do this in privacy and nobody will ever stop you.
>>724434146>What kinda retard would argue against these basic rights?The kind with a direct interest in the interests of a major publisher, such as being an owner thereof, a major shareholder, a paid employee, or a hired shill.
>>724414007Isn't the median 40k?
>>724434246That means you can play for free for two weeks, return it, and can move on to the next game.Or just cancel the purchase, then purchase it again the next day and continue playing for another 14 days, then cancel it again, etc.
>>724434164How is capitalism compatible with endless government regulation? The free market shouldn't be restricted by daddy gov.>>724434302You can also steal from a store if nobody catches you, but the government still considers it wrong. It should be addressed and reassessed.
>>724421183>>724414203This. Please vote D to import millions of brown foreigners to own those chud Republican billionaires. Also transition your kids and get them hooked on mood stabilizers.
>>724434468>How is capitalism compatible with endless government regulation?Regulation is why you have seatbelts
>>724434361no, it's $68kwhich is enough to own a house>>724434434I'm sure your bank will absolutely love that and definitely won't just stop servicing that digital storefront due to an overwhelming amount of potentially fraudulent activity
>>724432053Maybe if every criticism weren't pathetic straw man shit that was debunked on day zero e.g. "hurr durr they want to force developers to pay server costs forever" then they wouldn't have so easily concluded that all the critics were arguing in bad faith.
>>724434468>The free market shouldn't be restricted by daddy gov.Yeah it should.>It should be addressed and reassessed.No it doesn't. You can already do exactly what you want to do with no threat of punishment. And regardless, if you are dumb enough to get caught because you took your mods to social media to mass distribue them, then the punishment is them asking you to stop doing that. That's it. Stop being a fucking pussy.
>>724434757>no, it's $68kpretty sure that's the average, but my point is that 40k is more than enough to live alone
>>724434724no it isn't, it's why I'm forced to wear a seatbelt or I'll go to jail
>>724434724>seatbelts good, so corporations should own everything and make it illegal to not worship the ground they walk on
>go to post on 4chan with no cookies>click Get Captcha>120-second timer starts>wait 9 seconds>"heh, well that went nowhere"
>>724434816>You can already do exactly what you want to do with no threat of punishment. That's only because they lack the infrastructure to mete out punishment to everyone. Before they go full 1984 mass surveillance, we need to address broken copyright laws that majorly benefit the people with bigger pockets.
>>724434757There's no fraudulent activity there because it's actually the trader itself which is legally required to reverse the payment.In no way whatsoever is it a case of the consumer attempting to reverse the payment they themselves made.
>>724434804countering every argument with "you're arguing in bad faith just watch this hour long eceleb video!" is not debunking lil zoomie
>Believing Ross Scott could ever change anythingIf this ever goes anything under his initiative it's going to get so much worse for consumers because Ross doesn't understand shit
>>724434974I disagree. The laws are extremely loose as it stands. You just have a problem with authority.
>>724435113I do have a problem with authority when lobbying and bribing politicians is not only legal, but accepted as normal.
>>724435002>no attempted defense of the infinitely repeated lie that Ross wanted to force developers to pay server costs foreverI accept your concession.I didn't tell you to watch a video btw.
>>724435287I feel the same. All my prior points stand regardless.
>>724434974>1984 mass surveillance is coming so let's give the government more power
>>724434987it doesn't matter, if your bank sees the exact same purchase and exact same refund multiple times they're going to assume someone's doing a fucky wucky and freeze your cardyou'd also be guaranteed to get your account permabanned from any given game if you did that more than once
>>724435002countering every argument with "umm that video is too long so I'll just assume your position is [made-up shit] and then demonize your platform based on that wrong assumption" isn't arguing in good faith lil zoomie
>>724414094>>724413614Nothing more to say than this is what americans voted for, you had to be retarded to vote for that guy. (Still I cant blame you too much, Kamala's campaign was as retarded as you)For the rest of the world its amusing to see, like a train wreck in slow motion, just like argentina.
>>724435736Trump has nothing to do with it. Democrats can just vote to reopen the government but they want free healthcare for illegals.
>>724435503How do you figure? Your justification was "you can do it and nobody cares" which isn't an argument. the law needs to be addressed so it can't be punished in the future. It's called setting a precedent. The only reason we're even allowed to use cheat codes is because of a landmark case between Lewis Galoob and Nintendo.
>>724435874There is no past present or purposed legislation to give "illegals" free healthcare and there never was. Undocumented people can't possible recieve benefits anyway. Where the fuck do you mail the checks? You believed propaganda.
>>724435903>Your justification was "you can do it and nobody cares" which isn't an argument.Yeah it is. It's a fine argument and I stand by it. It's like speeding. Just fucking do it and don't be a fucking retard about it.
>>724435991sorry Dem but this shutdown is on you>Undocumented people can't possible recieve benefits anywaylying as always I see
>>724436126I see it differently.
>>724435874Take your you, nice baitBut is there really people out there that think thats the reason your government is closed as >>724435991 said?
>>724436076I believe more needs to be done about it, then simply nothing at all.
>>724432976>That's because you can't own digital media, much less digital services.Yes you can. You can own literally anything that the law says you can own. And the law can be changed to say anything.
>>724436423Good to know.
>>724436687right but when you buy an online game you're paying for access to a server, not ownership of the serverand the person who DOES own that server can do whatever they want with it so long as the product still functions (i.e. you can't refund an mmo just because you don't like the latest patch)and a decade down the road when the server is taken offline the only obligation on the part of the owner is to no longer sell access to the server that doesn't work
>>724433635Preventing companies from fucking customers over is 100% the type of regulation we need more of, not less. Only people against SKG are long nosed con artists.
>>724437105yes Jews absolutely hate being given more government power
>>724437053It doesn't matter what they say I'm paying for, their ways to weasel out of it will be removed from them. Permanently. I WILL own my games and you can't do anything about it.
>>724436687Digital information is infinite, intangible, and has no supply restrictions. It's not tradable or ownable, it's just something that exists. You can only sell access to it. You can't own it. As soon as one person has it, everyone has it, almost immediately. Just pirate your digital goods, don't even bother buying it.
>>724437168The government is the only entity that can stop corporations from fucking over customers. Corporations won't stop it unless forced to at gunpoint. The customers can't stop it. God can't stop it. Only the government can stop it.
>>724437189I highly doubt that. The provider of the service would need to have put that in the contract.
>>724437295if only you had the option to just not buy an always online car MMO
>>724437189how are you gonna log in to a server that doesn't exist retardthats the whole point of SKG
>>724437341You don't get it you simian. We're literally changing the law on what they are required to provide. Law ALWAYS trumps every contract. They will give it or they will go to fucking jail and die there, and that's it.
>>724437359You mean options they're taking away from the customer through endless lobbying?>oy vey, that car doesn't meet EPA emission standards, you have to buy a 50,000 dollar tesla!>oh wait, the owner of tesla is a nazi, so if you bought one we'll kill you
>>724413614>can bring bribe you
The state (not gubmint) is just the collective association of the citizens. We the citizens, have deemed current corpo terms unacceptable and collectively bargain for a better deal
>>724437359>muh vote with your walletNever worked, never will work.>>724437380Read the fucking comment chain back, I'm pro SKG.
People fail to see that big corps are working hand-in-hand with the government. Fuck both
>>724437295>from fucking over customersBe more specific. If a consumerbase was fucked over then they have every right to a class action lawsuit.
>>724413754It becomes a normal people problem when a government shutdown lasts a month and actual respectable folk can’t afford food while prices continue to rise, all the while the jews who run Microsoft and Halo into the ground never have an issue and pretend nothing’s wrong.
People against SKG are the kind of people who back in 1900 said food companies will go bankrupt if they're legally required to make food not contain sawdust and dead rats.
>>724413659>decline to regulate software>eula become de facto regulationsThe exercise of power is inevitable, if you don't do it someone else will.
>>724437440>I want to be the evil tyrant, not THEMThen I disagree on principle
>>724437615respectable people don't live off of handouts also>NOOOO I CAN'T AFFORD RICE AND BEANS they're just mad they don't get free Pepsi for a month
>>724413245A shitty internet petition went nowhere???! *gasp* I'm shocked! How could this happen in our democracy!
>>724437591>Be more specific.Denial of access to a game we bought. Next you're trying to pilpul and kvetch about the definition of what we bought, but it's all meaningless because we're changing the fucking law to be on our side and you can't stop us no matter what you do.>If a consumerbase was fucked over then they have every right to a class action lawsuit.No they don't because the current laws, written by tech-illiterate boomers fifty years ago, don't cover always-online videogames. That's why we're changing those laws. That's why you and the rest of the long nose tribe will be fucked in the ass. Get used to it.
>>724437648no that hypothetical is not a real problem
>>724437704It is ours by right. If you oppose us FOR ANY REASON, you are evil.
>>724437794See >>724437704If you're just an angry tyrant then there's no seeing eye to eye on this. You have no interest in fairness. you just want to rule. You're not to be taken seriously in this discussion.
>>724414203Oy vey, delet this
>>724437528yeah I know you are, but apparently you don't understand the point so I'm going to break it down for youyou BUY the softwareyou OWN the softwareyou may USE the software however you see fitthis is a purchaseyou are GIVEN access to a serveryou DO NOT OWN the serveryou cannot make DECISIONS regarding the serverthis is not a purchaseif the server gets taken offline a decade after you purchased it, the only obligation the owner of the server has is to cease selling access to said serveri.e. how are you going to log in to a server that doesn't exist
>>724413245I mean what was their plan? To get a bunch of kikes in the EU (worthless international body) to make some rule that Japanese and American devs would ignore? Your countries are being conquered by foreigners and this is what you’re worried about?
>>724437780It's kind of amazing how much misinformation you can spread by simply making a wrong claim in the OP.
>>724437914I am obviously evil to a tyrant. I fully agree.
>>724437528Voting with our wallet is literally the reason why Battlefield is good againNot voting with their wallets is the reason pokefags get shitty games every year
Apologize.
>>724437909>hypotheticalwhat do you think eula have been used for since their creation? Terms of use and contracts of any kinds are literal regulations
>>724438147Stop fucking ferrets, jason
>>724438140Battlefield is not, and has never been, good.
>>724438160nothing? eulas are not legally binding and the only time you hear about them are class action suits where they get fucked over it
>>724414340A man with dementia runs the United States. Explain that without seething.
>>724437190The concept of ownership is entirely manmande. There is no such thing as "natural" ownership. And because it's a completely manmade legal concept it can be redefined (and has been redefined thousands of times before). We're redefining it in a way that prevents companies from taking away anything they sold us, no matter what weasel words they use. This is good. People against this are bad and deserve death.
Reminder: The argument of "Games are way more complicated these days and REQUIRE proprietary servers that only the developers can control" was the same argument EA used for SimCity... which got an offline mode by some based rando within a few weeks.
>>724438265>eulas are not legally bindingThey absolutely are. Companies just get fucked in the ass because they try to put in all kind of tricks that void them.
>>724413614Yet another faggot that doesn't understand the quote.
>>724437615>It becomes a normal people problem when a government shutdown lasts a monthOkay, so go protest the Democrat party. They're the ones causing the shutdown. Republicans have 56 votes 99.5% in. It takes 60 votes to get the government moving again.
>>724438227Battlefield 1 was kino in its purest form, you tasteless faghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCYjzwSsEh8
>>724438337Best you'll get is monthy subs where you're guaranteed "ownership" for a period of time. This already exists btw, no change necessary. Your utopia of "I'll just have someone running this server for me forever for a one time charge" is never happening as a legal mandate and you'll have to get used to it.>People against this are bad and deserve death.You have autism.
>>724414007And they call everyone else poor as an insult. I should have known it was all a projection
>>724438360Who are you monologuing to? Is there an audience in your head?
Everyone just wants the standard we had 20+ years ago.If it is a matter of modern technology making it "impossible", maybe the new technology is shit, eh? The whole recent outages with AWS should wake people the fuck up.
>>724438484they aren't nor have ever been a factor in any legal caseyou are fighting against your own freedoms due to misinformation
>>724438021Their plan was to succeed perfectly, which they're in the process of right now.
>>724414007Source?
>>724438497Yeah that's the real problem there. A half misunderstood quote that has never been used right anyway. Now I can bailout a Latin American shithole without feeling bad!
>>724438589>"I'll just have someone running this server for me forever for a one time charge"Yeah, ideally me.
>>IT NEEDS TO SAY IN A CONTRACT THAT ONLINE SUPPORT MAY END SOME DAY>it does right here in the EULA>>I DON'T READ CONTRACTS THAT I AGREE TOum ok, maybe you just shouldn't be allowed to spend money anymore because you're not responsible enough
from the leddit post they are just waiting for politicians from Germany and France to get their act together and finish counting the submitted eu IDs.After that's done, I would imagine there would be another three months of nothing happening due to Christmas holidays and new year stuff pushing back the eu politician meetings/hearings about it.
>>724438807Then start coding
All these retarded VOOOOOOOOOTers in this thread. You really are too stupid to have agency.
>>724438571>is that realistic military shooter #7394890348? Truly this is heckin kino!!11!!
>>724438589>i-i-it'll never happen because it just won't!Sorry but it's going to happen. Your long nose tribe loses again.
>>724438807What happens to you when someone uses that dilapidated server to groom a kid or conduct other criminal business?
>>724438712>they aren't nor have ever been a factor in any legal caseYou don't know shit.ProCD, Inc. v. Zeidenberg is likely older than you are.
>>724438934Why would I let anyone else on it?
>>724438878You don't know this because you're 15 years old, but back in early days of PC gaming every single game came with a copy of its server software as standard. And there is absolutely no reason we can't have it again, other than that companies don't want to hand it over anymore.
>>724438952And this justifies shrinkwrap agreements and EULAs that can be changed at any time, robbing you of a product if you don't agree to them?
>>724438856>EULAIt also stated you should destroy all copes of your game when the devs tells you to do it.Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next product.
PIRATE WINS
>>724438984Because this whole project revolves around being able to use multiplayer servers after the game has shutdown? Are you slow?
>Ledditors and Kiwifags tried taking over.>Turns out mentally ill freaks are not very charismatic. Hating Jason will get a movement so far, but the movement itself is really dumb, and the script-posting "Don't you want more rights!?" falls flat when gubment interventionism will destroy what's left of our culture.And then you find out that none of them ever played the videogames they are heralding over, and they look like pretentious douchebags. SKGroids are retards that only want to cement a legacy for their failed lives, by demanding a foreign government to implement more frivolous laws that our posterity are going to have to be burdened with.
>>724439218>government intervention is bad>NO DON'T REPEAL COPYRIGHT LAW, YOU FILTHY CHUD
>>724438928I have no religious affiliation.
>>724438934I dunno, how have Quake or Unreal servers survived for so long? You keep talking about these hypotheticals as if we don't have 30+ years of networked privately hosted games.
>>724413245what was the point of it pls give me a qrd pls
I can't believe there are so many brownoid shills in this thread
>>724439290>this is just about keeping games alive, lefty>BRO WE COULD OWN THE GAME'S RIGHTS, DONT YOU WANT THAT!!!! Can you guys figure out what even is the main goal any more? lol
>>724439013I knew that actually, and I'm almost 40.
>>724439290You literally wouldn't have these games without copyright, just freeware garbage. inb4 you flippantly reply "good" because you have no real argument or position you can defend.
>>724439320Those servers are used for multiplayer purposes. Yours would be too, presumably. Do you need me to dumb this down even further?
>>724439198I thought it was about being allowed to play a game after it shuts down, which given the increasing popularity of online-only single player games, often doesn't require other people to do.Even still, if it was multiplayer, I would just host it for a select group of friends.Are YOU slow?
>>724439418>>724439471If a game is only allowed to exist under the tyrannical reign of corporations and government, then I'd rather the game not exist.
>>724439418>the main goalFor the left isn't that consolidate all power into communism?
>>724439498>I thought it was about being allowed to play a game after it shuts downThat is exactly what my post said, you absolute retard. Anyways, what happens if one of your equally retarded friends grooms in the kid in that server? Are you legally liable for that?
>>724439476>Those servers are used for multiplayer purposes. Yes? I'm just responding to your retarded scenario by saying that we have 30+ year old servers that are still running to this day that haven't been taken down due to pizza or other criminal shot.
we got offline mode for the crew 2
>>724439554You're arguing in favor of government intervention and regulation, dumb faggot. How are you not the commie here lmao
>>724439675Agreed, let's get rid of copyright law, since it's a government regulation. :)
Why do 4tranners seethe at pro consumer movements?
>>724439595Private servers have most definitely been taken down for that, and that's on a platform that would allow in-game voice chat, which I assume is another privilege you'd want from that game company.You've never really thought about how nerve-wracking it can be to run a private server, haven't you?
>>724439619We did it, Kiwisisters!!We saved The Crew 2!!All that crying, all that bitching, and now we have an offline mode. We are so important!!
>>724439708>let's hand the means of production to the workers! But you're not a commie. Fucking moron lol
>>724439554No it's about democracy, free and fair.
>>724439768I've got a regular Quake server in Australia I hop into and the owner says he has had it running since 2005. Again, you are making out that this is a new never tested thing, but obviously there are ways to keep yourself safe legally. You are making it out that it is impossible to just have a game server due to these potential legal concerns but again, people have 30+ year old servers that are still around.
>>724439708Why do you keep thinking this is a gotcha? Yes I'm not allowed to murder people either but that doesn't mean the government should force companies to keep an 11 year old PS4 launch MMO alive forever.
>>724439589>Are you legally liable for that?Probably in this contrived scenario you've created well outside what I would even run a server for.We'd play the game, and then I'd shut it down when we were done. No kids would even be allowed on it.
>>724439819This but unironically.
>>724439029This proves that eula are legally binding. Whatever specific tricks you wanna mention to move goalposts don't change this fundamental fact.In fact, mentioning said tricks weakens your position because it's an admission that the issue isn't eula, it's tricks that clash with already established law (aka regulations).
>>724439906>all that word salad just to say he hasn't actually ran a private server in his life
>>724439943>Probably in this contrived scenario you've created well outside what I would even run a server for.Yeah the totally contrived scenario where kids play video games and perverts look to groom kids in through video game chats and online interaction.
>>724439923>wanting to keep playing a game you bought is literally the same as murdering people, you filthy evil murderer!At least you didn't use a food analogy.
>>724439923You're arguing with a tard with tism. He always stomps his feet loudly to get attention. If you actually discuss the topic with him you can easily walk him all the way back from "ABOLOSH COPYRIGHT!!!!!" to "I guess we should just slightly change the length of copyright"
>>724413245we got the signatures, job well donenext time i'll be sure to support whatever needs a push again
>>724440016I didn't say I haven't ran a private server at all, I just didn't bring it up because it's only been a recent thing that I've done with TF2 and a couple of old PS2 games using an emulator.I know of servers that I do play on that are old servers that have stuck around. Your hypothetical would just result in giving over chat logs to authorities upon request and comply with them. Do that and keep an eye on your server performance and you should be ok. Basically, do the same as big companies (Except Roblox which actively ignored it).
>>724413614The ballroom is bourgeois waste but cancelling EBT is keyed because it means wreckers will have to actually contribute to society
>We can't go back to what PC and even consoles were doing 30, 20, 15 or even 10 years ago because uhh...It's like talking to people that defend every fucking thing Microsoft does.
>>724439708This but unironically
>>724440442>because uhh...Because you immediately repurposed the servers to commit every heinous computer crime known to man.
>>724439708uhmmm, redditsisters?how can we possibly save the heckin corporinos on this one?
>>724440650Hmm yes, it's not like that we have examples of this happening on servers that are ran by big companies that makes millions in revenue, true true.Fucking retard.
>>724440667Sit back and do nothing and watch copyright exist. Pretty simple.
>>724440650Why are you so afraid to admit you haven't even given a thought to the responsibilities of running a private server on a game that wasn't created back in 2005? Because you secretly understand how untenable it is?
>>724440769that's gayshouldn't you guys be like radical revolutionary 4channers or something?moot didn't die for this
>>724440442I feel like this thread is a very shitty raid, I cannot phantom people who would simply wish to not being able to play their games they spent real money on.
>>724440719>it should be MY illegal server making millionsNo best you'll get is monthly rentals. That or learn to code.
>>724440398I just think it's great that white birthrates are gonna plummet even further.
>>724414203Hey I know that one.>Number one: In 1945 corporations paid 50 percent of federal taxes. Now they pay about 5 percent. >Number two: In 1900 90 percent of Americans were self-employed; now it's about two percent.">"It's called consolidation. Strengthen governments and corporations, weaken individuals. With taxes, this can be done imperceptibly over time. "
>>724440949I bet you can't explain that post
>>724440926Nigger, I'm not going to charge people to use my private server, that'd be retarded. Also, deflection tactic that is not the actual central point of the argument.
>>724440897Moot was a normie from day one and retired a celebrity. Your god is closer to me than you'll ever be.
>>724415274go back
>>724440987Let me guess, you thought Black people were the majority of EBT recipients lmao
>>724440992It's too late to claim debate fouls with that entire paragraph of words shoved down my throat I never said, followed by an ad hominem
>>724440992> bro I'm not even gonna try to curtail bad actors from joining my server You know maybe this is why corporations are trusted to run those servers.
>>724441015your a normie?
>>724441219Yeah
>>724441141You started it by saying that I would do heinous shit if given private server tools, which is a retarded statement on the face of it.>>724441185>The only way to stop bad actors on a server is to put the server behind a paywall.Where the fuck do you retarded niggers come from?
>>724441112oh so you think not getting food stamps for a couple weeks will make white birth rates plummet?I guess lmao back at you retard
>>724440974Based Deus Ex enjoyer poster.
>>724441249that's gay (like my god)
>>724413614>>724414203>>724415274>this is so sad capitalism is so horrible we need to give up all power to the state to fix itPut a grenade in your mouth.
>>724441293wow a reddit schizo collage, I'm convinced
>>724441261Do you have any single counter arguments that don't involve you going "BRO THAS INSAAAANE" every time someone asks how you're going to deal with a modern day private server for a AAA game without even a mod or two?
>>724441440WOW, a shill and/or 10 year old on /v/ !
>>724441261Don't ask questions if you don't want answers. Make statements instead, sealion.
>>724441292If you think white suicides from low income areas aren't going up thanks to that AND the seasonal uptick of suicide then you might as well keep voting GOP and get rid of the white race altogether lol
>>724441504When a game is usually shut down, it is also usually because it is "dead", as in, there is a very small playerbase. It's not like I am going to manage every single player at the game's peak.
>>724441353Noted.
>>724441521>you're a pro LGBT commie>says the guy who spams pro EU images he has saved probably hundreds of times in these threads over the past yearextremely sad
>>724414203>Jeff Bezos makes 8 million dollars an hourNo he fucking doesn't you retard, he owns stock in his company and that stock appreciates over time.Why does it do that? Mostly ETFs, Mutual funds, 401ks. It certainly isn't revenue because the average tech stock has a price to earnings ratio of +20 to 1. (Amazon is like 40 to 1)If Bezos were to try to cash out, the stock would be worth pennies on the dollar before he could complete the trade and the company would die completely.Yes I'm mad, journalist post this this with no context and useful idiots parrot it endlessly.
>>724441597so you're just making stuff up, but you put lol at the end so I guess you're right
>>724413245What do you mean, they won, and then they're gonna come crying to those of us who tried to warn them when it all blows up in their face
>>724441613So you're in risk of being criminally liable for a server that won't even attract normal players but whatever straggler that figures out he can join in and use it for whatever he feels like? Where are you supposed to come out on top here?
>>724440187Nah, after seeing the shit they pull, now I'm in favor of abolishing copyright entirely, if you're a big enough corporation. From now on, copyright only applies to individuals who have zero ties to corporations.
>All this bullshit against the idea of community ran serversThere is usually a thread somewhere on /v/ bitching about some sort of modern matchmaking system and longing for the way old games used to do it, yet with regards to this, modern private servers are bad.
>>724413614Keep the bluesky echo chamber on bluesky faggot
>>724415454The people who matter still have breadIt is true that the current American government are maybe fucking with the circus a bit too much but the previous leaders were just making the circus unfun anyway.
>>724441703Sounds to me like you're googling some deeply sobering statistics right now lmao
>>724441642hey, im not the one who fucks the ferrets here, you trannyfurry.
>>724413614>gold and marble dance hallWhat's he mean?>badly cooked steakMedium rare is the only way to cook stake.
>>724441650Unrealized gains are real wealthStocks are based on how much value you steal from workersThe value they generate doesn't go to them but instead shareholders
>>724441773>on second thought copyright should existI'm glad I was able to walk you back on this issue of abolishing copyright.
>>724441773>abolishing copyright entirely>copyright only applies to Don't you just love it when a retard can't even keep his argument going for two sentences? It's like he knows he's a commie but won't even fully commit to it.
>>724413614>SKG Fags: "Please, Daddy Government, regulate the corporations for me!">Government: "Sure thing, SKG-chan, here, I made some ID laws for you!">SKG Fags: "NOOOOOOO, NOT LIKE THAT!!!!"KEK.
>>724413659unironically yeswhy the fuck can they just collect my personal data with basically no limits and use it to profile me across other websites
>>724441806Who are you monologuing to?
>>724441758Why do you come in with the assumption that players on modern private servers will be discord groomers or other forms of criminal? Why are you also coming in with the assumption that there is no form of legal protection for server owners? What makes modern AAA games different to games that we have had in the past? CoD community for example hasn't had troubles with keeping the older modern warfare games alive with compliance with authorities regarding any potential litigation, yet modern CoD servers are so vulnerable that hackers can take over PCs.
>>724441939>>724441920Is it really wrong to make it so corporations can't benefit from something clearly meant to protect up and comers? Oh I forgot, you're a bunch of bootlicking shills, my bad.
>you're jews!>you're shills!>you're indians!>you're some eceleb that only I care about!Notice that whenever you push these SKGfags on any issue they immediately fall back to this. Almost like they're a bunch of children that know nothing.
>>724442006>Why do you come in with the assumption that players on modern private servers will be discord groomers or other forms of criminal?The fact that we're both posting on 4chan.
>>724442048I didn't say it was wrong. I said you would easily be walked back in your initial stance. And you walked yourself back without instructions. Good boy.
>>724441957>Government does good thing: I like it and will talk about it.>Government does bad thing: I dislike it and will talk about.It's the same as private trade as well, if a buyer/seller is good, I will continue to support them, if they do something I dislike, I will call them out for it and talk about it.The redpill is using private entities and governments for your own goals and desires, pitting them against each other if the outcome is in your favour.
>>724413614These faggots just can't help themselves. I bet he think he is clever and not everybody can see plain as day that ge wishes death on the president.>>724413245Any news to link to?>>724415274>complains about the system that brought you everything comfortable in life and that motivates people to invent better things even though they have everything they need Retard.
>>724442048I may be a bootlicking shill but at least I'm not retarded enough to denounce copyright laws and then demand them for myself in the same breath.Retard.
>>724442130Just because jannies and mods are useless faggots doesn't mean that a game community will be the same.
>>724442120Thank you for confirming that you are indeed just another jewish shill indian for corpo hire.
>>724441758>you're in risk of being criminally liableNo he isn't, you disingenuous little cretin. Even in your made up scenarios where criminal offenses are being perpetrated on online game servers every hour of the day, the people running said servers would just be asked/subpoenaed to hand over logs or give access to the back end for evidence collection.
>>724442169>>724442206Nah, I'm not walking it back anymore. I entertained the slight notion that maybe Disney and amazon and Comcast and WB and Time Warner shouldn't be allowed to own everything, and I got called a communist for it. So fuck it, abolish copyright law entirely. Forget what I said before, now not even the little guy gets it.It's clear the law can't be used in moderation or for good, because it will eventually be abused, so let's just get rid of it entirely. Full on Ancap rules, if someone uses my IP without my permission, I'll drop a McNuke on their house.
>>724441957Seriously. I don't like what video game companies are doing as well, but asking the GOVERNMENT, of all places, for help is a fucking joke.
>>724442204>capitalism made all my dreams come true and sucks my dick every night before bedtime!You just know this dude is poor as shit. Like metal roof and unpainted concrete walls poor.
>>724442306Noted.
>>724442359Can't reason with a retard, can only call you retarded.
>>724414094>and the retards of the current administrationyou almost had it anon. reminder that joe biden said "nothing will fundamentally change"
>>724414340this, us Indians are much more intelligent that's why america needs us and thus why we are so much richer
>>724442296>ugh you don't get it, I'd be happy to be a snitch for the feds! Not even taking into account how differently you'd be treated by law enforcement since you're not a multi billion dollar corporation, this is a really funny way to operate a server full of pirated copies of the game.
>>724442204>Any news to link to?Let see if 4chan will let me spoonfeed you link>https://www.reddit.com/r/StopKillingGames/comments/1og0kb3/stop_killing_games_announcement/>inb4 ledditWell, these guys a normies, so its either that or dicksword. The TLDR is right now they just waiting for the IDs check process to end, however the are starting to get in talks with some politicians and lawyer people behind the scenes.
You guys respect property laws?
>>724442537What makes Quake, Half Life (1+2), Unreal (Tournament), bunch of revitalized mmos (City of Heroes) etc. different from modern AAA games?
>>724442564Of course.
>>724442310It's very difficult for "gamers" to control their FOMO and simply not buy the next Live Service slop, so video game companies will consider them unprofitable and stop producing them.It's easier to ask someone else to fix their own mistakes.
>>724442460The clumsy ESL is betraying you, Jose.
>>724438598You're even more poor which is beyond sad. When I was considered poor and not earning a living wage I had a car, a big screen tv, a laptop, and an apartment. A lot of you foreigners can't even afford ac.
>>724430157We need consumers for the economy to work. Even if they politely all died tomorrow instead of starving and revolting, it would be the collapse of the economy, and everyone else is suddenl dirt poor.
You think a bunch of studios are pausing revealing/releasing live service online only games in anticipation if this shit passes or not?
>>724442623They're defunct games, where measures to check for piracy can't be implemented anymore. Why do you keep bringing up games from 20 years ago when you start losing a simple argument?
>>724442623the shills fear the freedom of 90s boomershooters. Fuck, it wasn't until way past mid 10s when producers and devs started to get really greedy and jammed the micro transactions and always online services into everybody throats.
>>724442623they're good games>>724441957>hmmmm, i don't agree with this completely unrelated proposal to the one i supported>i think i will vote against it
>>724442794>>i think i will vote against itYou're not even old enough to vote.
>>724442769>They're defunct games, where measures to check for piracy can't be implemented anymore.Which would be what SKG would support. Games that usually got shut down also got delisted, meaning they no longer would sell. There is no functional difference between a shut down modern AAA game and those older games in that respect.
>>724442296>don't be disrespectful and ignorant commie>i just got literally raped in a quake server!
>>724439430>Almost 40 and spending all day making bad faith arguments in a /v/ threadoof
>>724442875>Oh you don't get it, we're gonna make piracy legal too! lmao
>>724438509This. Why are Demon Rats so fucking evil?
>>724442905Right back at ya
>>724443004Wrong point taken from it.Functionally, a 90's shooter that someone paid for should be treated the same as a modern AAA shooter that someone paid for, right? They both paid for it. But now, AAA games can arbitrarily shut down the DRM server, meaning that the person who bought the game is now treated the same as the pirate despite buying the game. How can you abide by that?
>>724437615Amerifat don't need more food retard
>>724443174>Functionally, a 90's shooter that someone paid for should be treated the same as a modern AAA shooter that someone paid for, right?No, you retard, but let's pretend for a second that you didn't just imply legislation could make piracy legal or at least unimportant for these corporations, or that this idea you just had completely deviates from the goals of SKG.
>>724443367>No, you retardWhy not? They are both games that a person has paid for, they are both games that can be installed onto their local systems. Why is one considered perpetual and ok for the buyer to own while the other is at the whims of an external server by the developer?
>you're giving power to the government >you're giving up your rightsPower to what?Which rights am I losing?
>>724443431the only difference is, if corpos tried that in 90s they would be tossed on a wheelbarrow out to the streets, but todays coomsumers are so getting used to being fucked raw in the ass they simply cannot imagine the simple freedom of just running an exe for server and passing a small note with IP and password to their friends to just play the game together.
>>724443431>They are both games that a person has paid forIt's funny how you want me to believe that not only you've kept your copy of all these games in mint condition, that you paid for them full price when you were like 8, AND that you and the people who will use your server won't just pirate the games anyway. Not sure which is the biggest piece of bullshit here.
>>724443857Answer the question: If someone has paid for a game, if they manage to keep it in a good condition, why should they not be allowed to play it and rely on a developer external server?
>>724443845That's probably a lot easier when said game can run on a toaster, which is something you people refuse to admit just isn't a thing anymore.
>>724443698The right to kill the games YOU developed I guess
>>724443925*not rely on an external server.
>>724443934My PC is powerful enough to run whatever hypothetical modern game we're talking about.Answer the question
>>724443925>If someone has paid for a gameBut you didn't pay for the game, nor are you planning to pay for the games you're planning to run on a private server. But it's okay, because you make piracy legal or something.
>>724443996I'm talking about the average consumer, not the autistic retard who thinks running Quake in 4K is impressive.
>>724442310So. What alternative solution are you proposing then?
>>724444009If I paid for a game, and kept it in good condition, why should I not be allowed to play it after the developers have moved on?I can get my PS2 copy of Ratchet: Deadlocked which I am running on an emulator server right now if you want.
>>724443968Since when was that a right?Allowed =/= entitled
>>724444057And I'm not talking about either. That's irrelevant.Answer the question
>>724443934nigger, the fuck you talking about ? look here >>724439619all kind of random modern games get offline patches from the fans, the main trouble come from devs/producers putting in the shitty DRM server bullshit that's is night impossible to reverse engineer. Like do you thing their shit runs on magic fairy dust and cools with dragon tears or something? nah its exactly same Linux server hardware shit that normal have been people using for past 10 years.
>>724443845>corposlol it's a child larping as a cyberpunk character
>>724413754If you don't want to cause a catastrophic civil war. Cutting off welfare is the last thing you should do.
>>724444083>l-look I can run my shitty single player game from 20 years ago right now! that's the same as an online multiplayer from 2025, right????So you just straight up gave up trying to argue, right? Maybe this is why SKG never went anywhere. Its spokespersons are dumb as shit.
>>724444371The Democrats should support the bill. People from their side already do.
>>724444232And now you get to enjoy it with the other 12 people who start a mission, realize it's dead and move on to something else. It might as well be defunct. Is that your measure of success?
>>724444418>Single playerIt has multiplayer and a niche but dedicated modern player base. I was trying to refute your argument that the only people that play private servers are those that pirated the game.Answer the question: Should you, as a purchaser of a game, be able to play the game when you want without being treated the same as a pirate once the server shuts down or developers move on?
>>724425532so this means OP is full of shit and it is still going somewhere? the process is just taking its time.thank you for the link
You all have no idea how happy I am that signing some online Moldman petition will bankrupt handful of greedy fucks and hopefully starve few brown shills.
>>724444554>nicheIt's dead as shit, isn't it? But sure, I guess you can play with literally no one else if you felt like it. How does it explain why you think you can vote to legalize piracy? Why do you keep pretending you own these games or that you paid for them?
>>724444443phew, good thing you didn't get it.let's see what epic fun it is: >>724444444
>>724444684the most obvious tourist award goes to...
>>724444684>already 404
>>724444661How would it lead to legalizing piracy? Why should a paying customer be treated the same as a pirate after the DRM servers go offline?
>>724444418Nigga theres 'online multiplayer' games from 20 years ago that still work fine despite their devs being long dead, theres nothing about being multiplayers that means the game has to have a hard expiration date
>>724444729wait, fuck. /v/ doesn't have any dubs?god damn 4chan is lame now.
>>724444803trips that ends with 0 is allowed. That's all you get.
>>724444740If they're selling you the access to your own server, and you're willing to pay for the product in exchange for that access, where exactly is the incentive to get rid of authenticating measures? Why are you still pretending you wouldn't just pirate game anyway? >>724444754What's the player base?
Im 32, jobless, claim free guvbux and play vidya all day. Without food stamps i habe to sell some vidya i guess. My collection has been getting too big anyways. My garage has like 10+ boxes of shit i could sell.
>>724444803>now.
>>724444914>If they're selling you the access to your own server, and you're willing to pay for the product in exchange for that access, where exactly is the incentive to get rid of authenticating measures?It's not the authenticating measures themselves that are the problem, the problem is that once the means of authentication goes down, the game is bricked and can no longer be used, then the game is delisted on top of that, pretending it never existed in the first place.
>>724444684>>724444737>>724444803Embarrassing.
>>724413614Internet ID laws one is pretty bad. EU states wanted to push this to the entire EU but it failed (for now)>>724413245Gaming publishers dont want this so it will be a long fight. At least online requirement for games that are clearly singleplayer should be not allowed (like Call of Duty Black Ops 6) Even if its illegal people will create private servers for dead online games regardless. Honestly i would love to learn C++ and contribute to an MMO project like Wild Stars
>>724444914>What's the player base?Does playerbase size matter? If someone wants to load up a game, even if it is to do nothing by themselves, that should be a decision by the user, not the developers.
>>724444914The playerbases are presumably people who like old games that don't come loaded with bullshit obviously
>>724435874>but they want free healthcare for illegalsNo they don't.
>>724445057>the problem is that once the means of authentication goes downHow could that happen if the service you "would" pay for would obviously check if it's a pirated copy? Is it because you're planning to pirate those games?
we just got an update a few days ago, they are at around 700k verified signatures with a 6% fail rate
>>724444552It's a damn sight better than owning nothing. What's your point?
>>724445262Because it makes no distinctions between a legit version and a pirated version, and will treat both as the same if the dev wants the game shut down.
>>724414162Do you expect the politicians you want to pass these laws to understand that? They'd just ban everything on video games if they were made to act
>>724445262Because right now it is in the hands of the developers whether the authentication is used or not. I can't control if the developers are going to pass the authentication method onto users or just turn off the central server.
>>724445216>>724445234>refuses to mention the player base because that would mean the game was killed anyway, just with extra steps
>>724445354A game dying because a lack of interest is infinitely better because it cannot be played ever again.If only one person is playing their original NES, does that mean that every NES should just automatically fail and never boot up again?
>>724444914>what's the player base?What's the relevance?
>>724445318>Because it makes no distinctions between a legit version and a pirated versionOf course it does. You're just planning to pirate it. >>724445337Why would you care either way? Are you not paying for the game AND the server? I mean the entire purpose of SKG is that you BUY the game. Why do you keep arguing around that lmao
>>724444552>If we can establish that no one on Earth is playing Monopoly right now, then thats justification to cast a spell that would destroy all copies of Monopoly foreverPeoples right to keep what they paid for shouldn't depend on there being plenty of people playing it
>>724445427>If only one person is playing their original NES, does that mean that every NES should just automatically fail and never boot up again?It's Nintendo's intellectual property, so they have the right to make that choice, commie.
>>724445354A game can come back from having a small playerbase. Its as easy as flinging up a post somewhere saying 'hey lets get a math if this old game going'The game can't come back from having a remote chunk of its brain deleted
>>724442204>he wishes death on the presidentWhy shouldn't he? The president is a politician.
>>724445469see>>724445516
>>724445427>>724445436So when are you guys actually planning on stop killing games then? Are you seriously telling me you're running daily Ratchet 4 matches with maybe two other people in the entire world just to play contrarian? Of course not.
>>724414007Every single illegal immigrant family in the US is on SNAPEvery single person on SNAP sells their cash balance each month for 50% of the value. Grocery prices are artificially high because of SNAP, same with healthcare and Medicare/Medicaid.SNAP is a tax payer nightmare that heavily punishes everyone that goes to work every morning. >Hurr you want people to dieIt would have never gotten to this point if this shit was done intelligently 35 years ago
>>724445594Not every day but it happens every so often.The whole point is that I have the ability to do so. With regards to modern games, less and less have the ability to do so.
>>724445469>he's comparing the worldwide player base of fucking MONOPOLY to some stupid shit he won't even pirate as a jokeThis thread, man lol
>>724444371Americans have been thoroughly mentally euthanized, they are completely incapable of civil war. Government could mandate every parent to kill their first born and republicans would still defend it.
>>724413245Gamers wonYou lost
>>724414007Get a second job? What super special things do americans need free time for? Netflix and shitposting?
>>724445650The whole point is that you stop these games from being killed. You're just making the death slower and sadder, and somehow you think you're on top.
>>724445468>you're just planning on pirating itGame stays up>some people don't pay for itGame gets killed>nobody pays for itNot to defend piracy, but why is it even an issue in these games' cases?
>>724445756Say that the playerbase for a game reaches 0, should it NEVER be able to be played again, even if someone 20 years later gets the itch to do so with his friends?
>>724445603The vast majority of SNAP recipients are white, buddy. You have, once again, tricked into voting against your interests.
>>724445516Yeah no they don't You think you could get away with that in anything else? A car dealership activates the kill switch in the new car they just sold someone, Apple sends out an update that bricks every new Iphone after the burst of launch sales, cos its 'their IP'
>>724414203>people who just "own things"Sell all your belongings, hypocrite.
>>724445756Oh no. Why do you care how slow a game you don't play dies?
>>724445674But you ARE saying that, right? If we can magically divine that right now no one is playing Monopoly, then thats all the justification needed to magically delete it, right?
>>724445859>You think you could get away with that in anything else? A car dealership activates the kill switch in the new car they just sold someone, Apple sends out an update that bricks every new Iphone after the burst of launch sales, cos its 'their IP'Read the TOS next time.
>>724445805>Not to defend piracy, but why is it even an issue in these games' cases?Because the crux of SKG is that you own the game if you BUY IT, and you run a private server if you PAY for the service. in the span of an hour that's become "I should be able to own the game AND server even if pirate the game and no one should be able to te the difference". And these people think they can legislate that into law lmao
>>724415274Bezos created an industry so useful that it kind of justifies letting him live the easy life if we're being honest
>>724445947There are things known as illegal or otherwise unenforceable contracts. Just because a TOS says they own someone's soul, doesn't mean everyone who signs it now has their soul owned by someone else.Or, using a real life example, Ubisoft has no legal ways to enforce you to destroy all of your copies of Ubisoft games if your account is deleted.
>>724445808Would you consider that a saved game? one that you wouldn't even play hypothetically until it was dead?
Why are the demoralization campaign against SKG still going? You can't even undo it at this point if you wanted to.
>>724446089If I have the ability to play the game in any capacity after the developers move on from it, yes.For shits and giggles I can get an original NES and an original copy of SMB and play it without any consideration of how many other people are playing it at this very moment.
>>724446002Nigger you're the one who made it about pirates. Don't backpedal now
>>724446134is*
>>724445936Not that you're smart enough to notice, but I don't give a shit if some multiplayer bullshit goes offline. I'm just telling you how stupid you are to think you'll persuade lawmakers that you should be able to run a private server on a game with zero players, 20 years after the fact.
>>7244461344chan is home to many wannabe AnCaps who think corpos should have the rights to do anything and the customer should have the right to get fucked
>>724446219You think consumer rights care about details like 'whats the game's playerbase'? A right is a right and a rugpull is a rugpull no matter how many people are standing in the rug when its pulled.
>>724445938I can assure you that the player base of Monopoly, a game that's been around since the early 1900s and is STILL in production and being manufactured as we speak, is way fucking bigger than whatever faggy furry platformer's multiplayer your daddy bought you 20 years ago.
>>724413614It'd be real cool if we could have Capitalism and then the companies that did this shit could go out of business without an infinite horde of money simply bailing out any business that sees even a few months of failure.
>>724446219Why would I be persuading lawmakers of anything? Should I assume you're going to somehow get into parliament and try to persuade them otherwise?
>>724446162>If I have the ability to play the game in any capacity after the developers move on from it, yes.So you do run those daily Ratchet 4 matches then? It's hard for me to believe you actually believe that if you don't play any of the dead games mentioned so far.
>>724446371Thats nice but dodging the question, cos you know you either have to break with your established logic or give an answer that you know anyone would think you're a cretin for giving
>>724446445I don't run it daily, but I have capacity to do so. Why are you so focused on it being the case of whether or not a sizable playerbase will form and not the crux of the issue of that if a game is to die, it should be entirely on the playerbase down to the last player, rather than whims of developers?Besides, again the point should be regarding ownership. If I own something, I should be able to use it or not use it in a capacity I personally see fit. If I don't play a game for 20 years then out of the blue decide to play it again, it should be on me.
>>724446392>Why would I be persuading lawmakers of anything?You should stop replying without checking the OP because we're discussing a political initiative. A very unrealistic one, but an initiative none the less.
>>724446445Is R&C not a single player franchise first? When online-requiring games are killed, it usually takes the whole thing with it, not just the multiplayer
>>724413614>3) Capitalism in generalYeah I fucking hate being able to own things too, so true sister!
>>724446509>dodging the questionAre you ESL or illiterate? I'm making the direct argument that Monopoly does have a higher player base. It's a simple fact.
>>724445750>YOU DON'T DESERVE FREE TIME! YOU NEEEEED TO DO NOTHING BUT TIRELESS WORK, EAT, AND SLEEP UNTIL YOU DIE! NOW WORK! WORK, WORK, WORK! NO FUN EVER! NO FAMILY TIME EVER! EVER! PUT MORE INTO THE POCKETS OF THE LAZY CEO PART OF THE 1 PERCENT! WORK FOREVER!!! WORK NOW!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!land of the free everyone
>>724446583So let me get this straight. I shouldn't be in this thread unless I'm participating in the parliamentary hearings?In that case, which publisher do you represent?
>>724446571>no I don't play itThere, next time save me the word salad.
>>724446632Not that anon, I am the one that brought up Deadlocked first.I brought it up as an example of a game that continues to get multiplayer play occasionally despite the developers moving on and it being an old ass game. The point is that any multiplayer component is up to the playerbase if they want to continue to participate in it, not whether the developers want to shut it down.>>724446730>You don't play a game every day therefore you never play itShut your nigger ass up.
>>724446219> I'm just telling you how stupid you are to think you'll persuade lawmakers that you should be able to run a private server on a game with zero players, 20 years after the fact.You bought a product, it has every reason to work for as long as it technically can.I don't know if you realize this but this has bigger implications than video games. Right now, John Deere could flip a switch and collapse an entire Agricultural sector overnight by shutting off their tractors. They did it to Russia, they could do it to you too. Now, I don't know if you realize this, but video games may not be important but Food especially is. Stop Killing Games is a front in the larger Right to Repair war that needs to win in order to keep Video Games from dictating EULA and ToS policy on other sectors. Which it will do because people like you just think "Video games don't matter, who cares if the EULA says they're expired ten seconds after buying them?" blatantly unaware that video games are just software and the only difference between it and any other software is how fun it is.
>>724446712No, but when you actively choose to post in a thread with a specific topic and you refuse to discuss said topic, I might as well dismiss you as a fucking retard.
>>724435991>>724436193You guys are the ones who believed propaganda. The Dems are playing semantic games and what they actually demand is free healthcare for people under a temporary protected status. They are not citizens, but because they are "in the system", they are arguing that ackchyally they are not illegals so it doesn't count. The right refuses to play the name game and calls them illegals anyway. The matter is still about the Dems wanting free healthcare for non-citizens and they are keeping the entire government hostage because of it.
>>724446702Yes? Once you become an adult, all that matters is how much you contribute to society theough labor. Nothing else matters. You are born to eventually work and die. You are nothing more than slaves to us.NOW GET BACK TO FUCKING WORK.
>>724446787You literally told me you never play it, but "could". Next time don't shit on your argument, pajeet.
>>724445603But /v/ told me parasite NEETs are based? Did we get it wrong /v/ros?
>>724446664The question was about a hypothetical situation and what you believe would be the reasonable choice in it. You refused to answer it.
>>724446895Nigger, where did I say I never played it? I'll quote the post you quoted:>I don't run it daily, but I have capacity to do so. Key words: I don't run it daily.Daily.Means that I don't do it every day.That does not mean I don't play it occasionally.Dumb faggot.
>>724414007>living wageThe definition keeps changing to suit the narrative. Anyone with a full time job can comfortably pay rent + groceries + utilities. Leftoids are so dishonest.
>>724446134Because the paid for shill campaign is over so now sensible counter posts are surfacing and they are the only ones making good arguments.
>>724441829You didn't know that spics are considered 'white' in Federal statistics like these, did you? That's embarrassing lol
>>724447003>sensible counter posts are surfacing and they are the only ones making good arguments.Kek, in your dreams, Jason.
>>724447059Just my personal opinion. Put the guns down, tyrant jr.
>>724446824I am discussing the topic. Are the lawmakers I'm supposed to be convincing in this thread?Do you even know how this works? SKG has paid representatives that will present their arguments in an official discussion. This thread is (presumably) nothing more than a slap fight between a bunch of nobodies who will achieve nothing. So I ask you, what the fuck did you mean by the part of this post about me convincing lawmakers?>>724446219
>>724445603Even if it is, so what?Cut the budget elsewhere.
>>724441597what are they when you subtract the 41%?
>>724446909The question was if I was able to use psychic powers to check if no one is playing Monopoly right now, when the popularity of the game, and its constant presence in stores everywhere makes that an impossibility. But sure, keep pretending Furry and Fag 4: My Dad Should've Bought Me San Andreas has a >>724446909player base.
>>724447115Your personal opinion is based on misinformation and contrarianism.
>>724446967So which is it, weekly, monthly? Why even go through this bullshit act when we both know you haven't played it years, most likely never?
>>724447194When I fucking feel like it, which is my right as an owner of a copy of said game.
>>724447032>bro don't you know my race is diluted as shit xDCompelling argument, whitoid. Didn't even have to insult you myself.
>>724447162
>>724447132>But I DID have breakfast this morning...
>>724447226So that's never then. I accept your concession.
>>724413245In the entire history of humanity, protests and boycotts have never worked. Not even once.
>>724413245In this pre-WW3 economy, no way in fucking hell will they let the status quo get destroyed by this movement.They will drop the moon onto the surface of earth before fucking the customer is relaxed in any way.
>Their rights havn't been violated until they DISCOVER we've done what we did, and surely they'll never check
>>724413614>NOOOOOO you can't just remodel parts of the white house using your own private funding despite many past presidents doing the same thing!!!!
Vgh... this is worse than when Xbox went woke by adding a power saving mode to indoctrinate children into their icky climate politics...
>>724447292Pajeet coded post. It's telling that no one else is willing to make your retarded argument. Maybe it's because Monopoly is a very popular game.
>>724447194>>724447314i like how ownership to /v/ is just 'how often do you open the game' and not the fact that you paid for a product.that's because zoomers are so brain-broken by being jews little paypigs they cannot comprehend the concept of buying something and owning it without needing permission from daddy banker or the gobbermint to do so.
>>724447272>implying anything Adam Sandler says is worth paying attentionDidn't watch your gif
>>724414203>invest money in something>said money creates jobs, goods and services>after a while, I get the profits from it>this makes me a villain>>Where do you think that money comes from?His customers? You stupid nigger, the economy isn't a zero sum game, socialism doesn't work
>>724441872This may sound retarded but Dumpy has been tearing down a part of the white house to build a ballroom
>>724447427>NOOO YOUR NOT SUPPOSED TO MENTION THE FACT THAT NO ONE EVEN PLAYS THESE GAMES EVEN WHEN THEY WORK!!!!!!!!
>>724447261brownoid over here literally saying he's shit in the gene pool and 'dilutes' whites with his mutt genes lmfao. didn't even have to insult you myself
>>724447429That's fine.
>>724447498Even if no one uses a product they paid for, that does not give the right of destroying said product to the product supplier.
>>724447498If I buy a car and never start it. It's still my car.If I buy a computer and never turn it on, still my computer.If I buy a game and never open it, somehow ownership goes back to golemburg. Why? Because dysgenic brown faggot on /v/ (who also doesn't play or like video games) tells me so. I have a better idea, why don't you try owning a toilet in your country of street shitters?
>>724447427>you paid for a*service
>>724415274yes voting for Kamala and importing millions of people to be a net negative on the system will surely help
>>724447514>hahaha the spic doesn't know white women fuck a ton of nonwhitesAm I supposed to be getting mad anytime soon?
>>724447565*service
>>724447408Why would multiole people bother to type out the same argument, you making a fuss about dodging it to one person is plenty
>>724430157https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK-02GqlOyY
>>724447587*productgot a problem with that? because if you do it'll soon still be my product.
>>724447606Not a single immigrant has ever been imported. The border has never been open. You fell for propaganda.
>>724447634A service usually has an ongoing cost or indication on how long your service lasts for, with refunds or other forms of compensation if it doesn't last the full service period.
>>724447623>cuck fantasiesi like how literally every conversation with a brownoid comes down to "muh peeniz please yt women in porn" why are jeets so predictable? >spicyou wish, gonna whiten your skin and call yourself pablo rahjeesh?
>>724447565You're not gonna convince anyone that it's your god given right to play a game that you yourself admit isn't even in your yearly replay list.
>>724447667Piracy doesn't help when the game is designed to have a chunk of its brain kept at the dev's office servers
>>724447587>>724447634As per EU law, a service must come with a disclosed end date
>>724447695take your meds
>>724447763>Piracy doesn't help Don't care. Still gonna do it. I'll own exactly as much before and after so it works out for me.
>>724447762We just have to convince people that corpos don't have the right to sell us products with remote kill switches installed
>>724447762Post your vidya collection and tell me with a straight face that you play all of it every year.
>>724447667If it was yours, then it's your fault you can't use it. Don't lose your property next time. (It was never yours so don't blame yourself.
>>724447746>implies I polluted his precious white women and gene pool>i'm the cuck somehowYou're not very good at this. Might I suggest not starting with "you fuck my women and I'm seething about it"?
>>724413614I've never felt like pic related more than in the past couple months. Why is this happening all at once?
>>724447623>brownie defaults to bbc postingname a more iconic duo than brown people and fantasizing about black dick.
>>724447815Good goy.
>>724447762I've never had to defend myself with physical force. Good to know you don't believe in the right to self defense
>>724447825"Corpos" don't need to do shit when you're the one who won't play the games even if given the option to. Your attention will simply go to something else because that's how humans function.
>>724447863spics aren't white so you haven't polluted shit other than your own country and gene pool. >haha imma fuck myself and live in squalor, that'll show yt!based take rahjeet just not a very smart one.
>>724447808Then file a class action lawsuit.
>>724447894You'd most likely die since you're not the Punisher, but it's funny that you're so out of arguments that you have to resort to tough internet guy posting.
>>724447841>If it was yours, then it's your fault you can't use it. But I can use it. Because I am truly free.
>>724447923OK, if that really becomes the only way for a game to 'die', then thats mission accomplished and every member of this movement happy
>>724447667>look at me stealing intellectual property! am i not so cool XDXDXD
>>724447762There is no legal argument that you lose ownership of something just because you haven't used it once a year and I challenge you to find one (you won't)
>>724445817white (hispanic)
>>724447930You should count to ten before the next post. The amount of typos makes you look mad as fuck.
>>724413614The argentinian steak is not badly cooked!
>>724447863>i'm continuing to post black dick fantasies on /v/>i'm the cuck somehowfantasizing about interracial dick is cuck behavior yeah.
>>724447934SKG is effectively that
What a mess
>>724447998Good to know.
>>724446659*own licenses
>>724448083>heh.. typos.I like how you're such an angry ESL you don't even realize that there isn't one misspelling in that post.
>>724448104I know. It wont pass because predicting the future is impossible, and will not be made into law. You can't punish someone for their creation being unsuccessful. Failure is in the spirit of capitalism.
>>724447983>internet tough guyLet me put it this way since you lack reading comprehension. Or, more likely, you're being disingenuous.Should I lose my right to self defense just because I've never invoked it?
>>724440398>keyedNigga, give it up
>>724448125>>724448030Thank you, it is pretty cool knowing I'm getting things for free that you don't even get when you pay for it. You'll be crawling back to me to download the copy of the game that I'm playing right now in 15 years time when you want to play it again, and all of the license servers are gone.
>>724448009That's the system that's in place already, dude. >>724448054No one's coming for your furry simulator. But no one's gonna make it a law that you own the copyright if you can't even convince yourself that it's worth your time.
>>724448239I don't roleplay, find someone else thanks.
>>724433635ok then do it please. that's completely valid alternative to SKG as far as everyone is concerned.
>>724448083>haha i posted about black dick again, u madi'm more just baffled, why would you even start bbc posting until you're mad as fuck, brown sharteen.
>>724448187All it is asking for is for some way for those that own a copy of the game to be able to play it. That's it. How the fuck is that a punishment for failure?
>>724448170See what I mean? I'm supposed to be the one fuming but you're way too angry to play it off.
>>724448307You can't own a service. That's it.
>>724413245>Lets petition the people who hate us, to do what we want!>*They then proceeded to not do what the plebes wanted*>WTF WHY ARE THE SATANIC BLOOD DRINKING PEDOPHILES NOT OBEYING US!?
>>724438924The number of other titles in the same genre isn't a valid criticism against a game.
>>724448195I'm not in the mood to discuss an entirely different topic simply because you can't argue for shit. But rest assured, no one's coming for your faggy furry game nor your airsoft rifle.
>>724448281"roleplay"?https://www.pcgamer.com/study-finds-over-87-percent-of-games-are-unplayable-without-resorting-to-piracy-scavenger-hunts-or-travelling-to-an-archive/>Study finds around 87 percent of games are unplayable without resorting to piracy, scavenger hunts, or travelling to an archiveThis is the future you live in, paycuck.
>>724448379Then give me a time frame when the service is going to end or make it an ongoing payment. This "sell it as a product, treat it like a service" is not going to fly.
>>724448314> I'm supposed to be the one fumingThat's because you are. Calm people don't bring up their interracial porn collection. Thanks for the (You)
>>724448428I'm not reading your posts>>724448460You'll get monthly server subs, don't worry.
>One imbecile gets banned>Whole thread falls silent./v/ really is the most astroturfed board on the internet.
>>724448553Cool, hopefully it goes the route of streaming where normalfags get tired of it and cancel.
>>724448553>I'm not reading your postsYeah I get it, reading English is a tough subject for you but I can translate it to Hindi if it helps.
>>724448553>You'll get monthly server subs, don't worry.No I won't.
>>724414007>living wageHow are they still alive then
>>724448595Yeah the risk of SKG is you're going to mandate worse changes and crash the online games market because a game nobody played got pulled.
>>724448712/v/ goes on about the modern vidya industry should be burning and given the opportunity you aren't going to pull the trigger? lel.>>724448685Debt from what I can gather, encouraged by banks that give out risky loans.
>>724448768Correct.
>>724448712>Wave away our concerns about heaps of games all inevitably becoming unplayable one day>Put forth your own schizo doomsday about the 'online games market being killed'
>past bump limitthis is why SKG is gonna win
>>724448427It's not a different topic. You're argument is that I should lose a right I don't exercise. This seems about as relevant as you laser focusing on how frequently one anon plays a specific game
>>724448930>heaps of games all inevitably becoming unplayable one dayBull
>>724448712>crash the online games marketOh no. Anyway
>>724448991Bro every game with any kind of dependency on a central server has this noose around its neck
>>724449307I know. That's because services can't be owned.
I can't believe the SKG discord shills are still posting the same non arguments and insults over a year later. Get a life losers.
>>724449461Nah.
>>724444884just like.. why? why even make an exception
>this is the button that will completely destroy the games industry
>>724449376>Thats not going to happen>'Yes it is'>I knowSlaving the capacity of games functioning at all to central servers is a purposeful choice on the devs' part that we obviously oppose
>>724449746Nope, I pay for someone elses service of maintaining and updating and hosting a secure server.
>>724449646*click*>iframe overlay opens in the game>officialgame.com/controlpanel.php>please enter your login details for server rental
>>724449868Back in the day it was the norm for players to do that themselves, and the games from that time all still functional to this day and will remain functional forever. We have no reason to want to let go of that standard gracefully.
>>724450030Not my problem.
>>724450240OK zoomer, if you're fine with tossing games in the bin as expendable goods with hidden expiration dates then you go do that
>>724449646>Developers shitcanned hosting your own servers because players could add custom content that would otherwise be monetized by the developers>Also because cheaters would just outright get banned from player-hosted servers and that means we can't add the kernal-level-spyware...I mean 'anticheat' as wellFucking grim.
