game is unfixable, it was built and re-built on a rotten foundation. they need yet another "A Realm Reborn" moment

I expect 2 hours of content and then (two more weeks) of horrendous bitching and griping over some raid only 500 people are going to attempt

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VITcgEdY6rw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfqxHUpMyVg

Kill it and bring back 1.0

>>724417915
When is it?

>>724417915
There is literally nothing that would make me come back short of things that would basically involve recreating the game from the ground up

>>724417915
>How would YOU fix FFXIV?
turn the servers off

>>724417915
BLU to 90 cap to at least inject some content into the game for those of us that like that.

As to how to "fix" it, I'd make it hell on earth by making it a mixture of F2P and sub like TOR since the cash shop keeps getting so much junk these days.

Give the English VA director some electric shock treatment.

>>724418779
that'll presumably be next patch alongside the beast master class

why is warrior easy mode?

we had no idea how good we had it

Straight up, you either massively reinvent the wheel for next expansion, drop the complacency, all hands on deck instead of splitting your competent talent across a bunch of new projects attempting to expand outwards, and get Daichi Hiroi the fuck out of the writer's seat - or you shit yourself because at this point the fundamentals are fucked and the game effectively can't go anywhere but on the same, several-years-dated carousel with nowhere else to go.

Unironically, as much as Cross-Class systems were just a bunch of messy shit, completely scrapping them was the real beginning of so much streamlining that everything is a homogenized disaster now. There needs to be some serious spice, some oomph, personalization, something to actually make your play experience feel like more than just one basic bitch rotation and burst damage windows.

>>724417915
hope and dreams? that the actually reinvest the profits ffxiv makes into the game

but that isn't going to happen

we already know everything that's coming out and it's almost entirely them just shuffeling assets around like they've been doing for years

hopes and dreams are dead and i want to quit

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>>724417915
>How would YOU fix FFXIV?
completely disable mods
the whole thing, all of it

the blinders removed, people can no longer ignore the shortcomings of the game itself. it will be forced to adapt by improving itself, or die as it should have years ago
>mods are the only thing keeping xiv alive

>>724418979
has the most built in healing before any other tank
arguably gld is better in super early content because you can just cycle shield bash in between aoes on every mob to mitigate damage

>>724419068
>Daichi Hiroi
Him and Oda. Some people really just need to stick lore/world building. But I don't even know if I would trust Hiroi with since he would ignore everything else that was already established.

We need xiv threads here to actually discuss the game because the general is fucking unusable with 24 ours a day of gore, blacked and porn spam.

>>724417915
Why don't you faggots go to a general on /vg/

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>>724419413
Threads aren't as active here anymore partially because DT was ass and partially because mods killed any thread not spammed to death by schizos

>>724417915
It's weird how when i was playing this exact expansion my exgf who was with me for 10 years actually pulled an Athena on me.

>>724419080
I reckon we'll unironically get a surge in investment for 8.0. If we're really lucky it'll last until 8.3, but after that XIV will be put on starvation diet and it'll be all downhill until EoS and the release of XIX or whatever. Execs can only hold back their primal urge to spend billions on retarded IPs or crypto scams for so long.

>>724418676
show us the game with your most played hours.

>>724417915
hardware ban all lalafel players, set up an instant kill at Random intervals on limsa past 2 hours to cut on the gay shit in Public, shift focus from raids into the world and revamp the first 2 expansions to trim the fat on filler quests, charge a fee for furry and pedo races

Meracydia
Remove all party-wide damage buffs that aren't provided by a Bard or Dancer
Go back to world-ender antagonists you clearly can't handle regional crises anymore
Let me marry M'naago

>>724419826
found the insecure closeted pedo

It's the first half of the LL, ie absolutely fucking nothing
>patch name and estimate release window
>name of dungeon
>name of trial (but mystery if they show the boss)
>name of raid tier
>info about criterion (of which we were supposed to receive 2 and now we are only getting 1)
>confirmation about BLU or BST
>2 hours of merchandise shilling

how do i get over tank anxiety

>>724420001
Just queue
Keep queuing
And get over it

>>724419413
>/vg/ is a mean girl clique who treat the game as second life and use every combat mod to automate ultimate clears
>/v/ is obsessed with only talking about Kate who isnt getting fired until XIV goes on EOS at most
Grim.

>>724420001
Jerk it with your left while playing.

>>724420001
It is always the healer's fault.

>>724419768
my opinion is they will starve the game's budget even futher to increase profitability and the game will continue to limp along for the next many years bankrolled by people who can't quit because of timesink and limsa perverts who play dress up and chat all day about their latest cash shop purchase

>>724419976
>>info about criterion (of which we were supposed to receive 2 and now we are only getting 1)
what? is there any confirmation for that?

>>724420001
It doesn't matter if you wipe. It doesn't matter if you drop aggro on some random enemy. It's okay if you waste their time because you're learning. You'll soon learn that tanking in this game is incredibly lax. You're basically a DPS with more health.
>Run to pack
>Aoe 2 times in case your DPS steals aggro
>Single target ranged attack on any stragglers you missed.
>Run to next pack and repeat until you hit a wall
>Do your Aoe rotation and pop a defensive cooldown (one at a time) if necessary.
Unless your gear is low and you're standing in enemy circles, if you die it's the healer's fault. If your healer says they're not comfortable healing wall to wall then leave the dungeon and just wait out the penalty.

>>724418779
Not if it's just farming spells to use on 1 or 2 new fights in the arena.

>>724419953
w/e you say pedo enabler

>Was looking forward to the foray
>It's just a more repetitive Bozja, but with a raid that you can't enjoy casually
>Was looking forward to the new DD
Guh. I really just don't have time nor interest in spending hours in organized discord groups playing simon says.

>>724420001
Literally just queue and you'll realize it's the easiest and safest role in the game.

>>724420619
This whole meta is why I quit. Pulling wall to wall and aoeing down was copy/pasted from wow to appeal to those drones. Under geared tanks made queues enraging.

>>724420335
i'll also add they aren't going to make another mmo

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i know OP already asked
so answer the question
How would (you) fix FFXIV?

>>724420989
shut the fuck up

>>724418535
the LL is on halloween
>>724418629
how would you recreate it?

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Do you mod you're game?

>>724419768
how would you ironically get a surge in investments?

>>724420989
twin threesome

>>724421245
Jesus

>>724421245
Manages to be more creepy than the dolls in the antitower

>>724420936
Yeah I hate it too. There's absolutely zero thought to be had when fighting a boss or going through dungeons. The simplicity of the combat is why the only way they can think of to make raids harder is to have mechanics where if 1 guy messes up then everyone dies. XI was a convoluted mess, but XIV course corrected way too much in the other direction.

>>724420936
Frankly this entire combat system is kind of a mess. If you're not in one of the boss fights, you're doing the same shit every single pull, every single room, every single dungeon, with no flexibility. When you are in a boss fight, there's rarely dynamism, just standing in the right spot to not die, or make a mechanic work, making it all trial and error memorization and reflex as the HP goes down. While Savages and Extremes/Ultimates genuinely require dedication, it kind of says a lot that it still largely boils down to nothing actually interesting on the player's sides of things besides the occasional save or smart LB, which may as well be scripted for timing and usage anyway.
They tried to follow WoW so damn much that there's no room for divergence. A healer is a healer. A tank is a tank. A DPS just hammers shit, and throws support out if they're a Dancer or Bard. That Paladin can heal every so often, but people get mad because they should be saving the MP charges for a damage rotation. The most expression you get is genuinely just being a class that has a res, and that's it. Turns out without much narrative reason to give a shit for hitting the same buttons for years on end, a lot of people aren't caring to keep hitting it, never mind when all the jobs get streamlined of all their fun bullshit, including Black Mage. It's a DPS race, optimize the fun out of the race. Do the dance, monkey.

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>>724420619
>Aoe 2 times in case your DPS steals aggro
Don't even need to do a second time with how many times they buffed the tank stance emnity multiplier over the expansions. If you sneeze at an enemy with tank stance on you basically have it forever.

>>724417915
For all the memes about wow devs not playing their games, I just can't believe any of these devs are playing either, at all.
The first step would be for the devs to start playing the game in the long run like any player. Understand why most of their garbage new content is DOA, how the game is basically empty and braindead if you don't do savage and you're caught up in most of the content you like.
They need more money to triple the content they release, with ozma restricted to savage/ultimates.

I don't believe they have the time, money, people and ideas to fix the battle system for next expac.

>>724421047
(﹏)

>>724421120
Throw class design away and start over, build it with some kind of talent or customization system. An "RPG" where you cannot build your character in literally any way, shape or form is a fucking joke.
Massively tone down the amount of cutscenes and make the ones that actually matter voice acted and manually animated instead of made of slash emote commands. Teleporting around and right clicking NPCs to watch shitty movies is not gameplay.
Redesign the game so actually doing stuff in the world is a bigger part of the game, have more quests that involve actually fighting mobs and the like rather than it all being warping around talking to the next story NPC or occasionally walking into purple circles to fight a couple personally instanced story mobs.
Increase mob kill XP by like 100x and do the same for side quests but maybe like 10x. Anything but dungeons is a COMPLETE fucking waste of time and it's one of the biggest things keeping the game from actually feeling like an MMO.
Do literally ANYTHING different from the same raids/alliance raids alternate patch pattern with the same exact tomestone and upgrade item system over and fucking over. I don't even care what, it just needs expansions to actually feel like they change up the game.

I know I'm literally asking for a different game but that's kind of my point, XIV is unfixable and needs to be remade from the ground up if it wants to not be shit.

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>>724421245
modbeasts. not even once

>>724421618
Yeah, this game doesn't actually have that much of a combat system anymore, that's the issue. It's 100% determined by the encounter, and you could technically practice many fights without pressing a single button other than positioning, hit the enrage, and then actually do your rotation the next time and win. Healers and tanks are DPS that just align cooldowns to encounter timelines. You don't have to GCD heal most savage fights that are properly scripted by your team, so that means your healing is just a preemptive spreadsheet without thought during the encounter. There's no variation on when to press your tank cooldowns. Boss positioning had been toned down a lot for main tanks, but has started to be brought back a bit in savage finally. Even something like Black Mage was changed from a class that rewarded prepositioning and slidecasts to have full uptime to "when am I spending my instant cast resources like triple/procs/xeno/para/despair/swift". Everything is just spreadsheet based cooldown planning aligned to encounters where you try to get full uptime and keep your baked rotation that never changes. There need to be some... actual gameplay here. The gameplay loop doesn't actually exist, it's completely carried by encounters. That's why they can't make any repeatable content other than extreme/savage/ultimate, which take a lot of dev time.

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>>724421245

>>724421245
Yea. But I only do it because there's no way to make an egyptian catgirl with in game resources.

>>724422368
leveling is not content, it never should have been. i am hereby advocating for all activities to be purely MSQ based

>>>/vg/

SE is not willing to put enough money into the game to fix everything that needs to be fixed. Best we can hope for is the job redesign to be good and Ishikawa to be the head writer again.

>>724422823
they aren't doing "job redesign"

>>724422776
But MSQ IS leveling you dumb shit, my complaint is that it's bad leveling.
If you want no leveling at all there's a game for you, it's called Fellowship.

>>724422823
>job redesign
>he fell for the YoshitPR again

>>724423259
Leveling serves no purpose in this game. I love leveling in proper RPGs, but all it exists for in this game is getting back to the baseline for each expansion. You never actually get any stronger in this game, leveling itself isn't a part of the journey.

>>724419129
i fucking wish yoshi p would just kill modding because no matter what he says some retard will ways be too autistic and fuck up shit more than the last time

>>724417915
The WoL dodges bad bitch bad ends like a smash player dodges the showers. jesus christ I swear half of this game's villains are women that wants to rape him.

Didn't you try making this thread yesterday?

>>724421434
I would subscribe.

>>724424304
I have Khloe porn but the rest doesn't apply.

The only way I can think of that they might be able to at least get me curious is if the fancy FMV reveal trailer for the next expansion shows blitzball.

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will this faggot ever stop forcing this /vg/ ritual

>>724424378
Any of it good?

The "increased rewards" is again something which they are never going to actually deliver on, and is just more PR speak. As the game currently stands, there is literally nothing they could add as rewards for Q40 that would be a real incentive. The game's entire reward structure and itemization would need to be overhauled for them to have "meaningful" rewards to content.

The absolute maximum possible reward right now is sellable mounts like from criterion, but criterion is dead anyway despite it not being difficult and each mount easily selling for 10m+ because even gil in useless.

Even for Occult when they added "increased rewards" all it did was kill Eureka (which, yes, was still active 3 expansions later) because all they did was take those rewards and put them here. And OC is dying already anyway, so it really wasn't for anything.

Their streamlining and simplification of every game system has shoehorned them into where they can't deviate much from their "formula" even if they wanted to. I don't think this is a fixable problem, this is just how XIV is, it's a "take it or leave it" thing now.

>>724418307
I jump to a random part and I see Genshin Impact UI. Jesus fuck.

Each mount easily selling for 10m+ because even gil in useless.

Yoshi-P mentioned in the "Sorry we fucked up OC" live letter that the reason the carrot chests were so bad was that the devs dramatically overestimated how excited players would be to get several hundred thousand gil (it's like 20 hours of roulettes!) because there's nothing to spend it all on.

The very next patch introduced a relic step where the only way to get one of the items was to buy it from an NPC for 300,000 gil, as well as a bicolor gemstone grind that you can skip buy buying off the market board (which was quite pricey at launch), so I would not be surprised if the devs start cracking down on all our bank accounts soon. I didn't see a single person whine about the 300,000 gil relic tax and we're probably getting another one in 7.45 as a result

>>724424637
you didn't like all the palette swap pilgrim traverse rewards... it probably took them twenty seconds to make the palette swap beaver minion show some respect

>>724424681
>>724424836
>"XIV devs"
>It's one localizer
I know it's all AIslop, but who is uploading these?

>>724424853
i would laugh at a 300000000 mil gil mount and wouldn't even notice buying it but they don't even do gil mounts anymore becuase fuck you

>>724425021
i'm 99% sure one of our resident shitposters (specifically the garleboo) is the dude running that channel

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As a veteran player XIV at this point in time basically has nothing to spend gil on. It's funny seeing them increase teleportation costs to try and bleed gil out of the economy, but 1) you can get aether tickets for no effort from GC, and 2) all that really does is hurt new players.

They added those 50mil mounts but, honestly, who cares. I don't want to ride around on a gaudy golden [X], even if I could buy a dozen of them and not notice. Housing is supposed to be a gil sink, but it's so limited to get houses in the first place. They've also devalued almost every collectible lately with their "increased rewards" just recycling old rare drops.

>>724425114
There's no garleboo, you just start crying about garleboos when someone thinks there should have been a full Garlemald expansion.

>>724425190
speak of the devil

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Generals belong in /vg/

dumpy?
That you?

>>724425190
Why are you faggots so obsessed about these boring ass retarded sniggers? What could possibly be interesting about having an expansion that revolves around them?

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today was the day

Since Hiroi has already plagarized most of the MSQ he is free to force another one of his bland boring ass waifus on us. I'm calling it now that the new Ascian will be Zero 2.0 who will also manage to be a Zenos 2.0 that is obssessed with the WoL and also somehow connected to Azem, making them also an Emet 2.0.

>>724424836
>>724424681
>>724424403
I need more

>>724425185
>as a veteran player

so nice they still do veteran rewards m i rite

>>724425226
Thanks for proving me right.
>>724425598
They're major antagonists in the setting. Yes yes I know you only started playing the game for Emet-Selch and you hate everything before Shadowbringers.

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when i was subbed i only logged in to queue in for frontlines, was kinda hoping for a new map but considering how they gr*ped secure and shatter i'd prefer they don't do anything at all, getting the vibe they'll gr*pe seal rock next

>>724425738
I wished I had the job security that these people do. If I had a high visibility profile and constantly mouthed off to my customer base like that I'd have the owner of the company himself come down and crush my skull.
But one the other side you cunts like these where they just get away with it, or even worse, fall upwards.

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>>724417915

>i hate realm reborn
>i hate answers
>i hate susan calloway
>i hate minfilia
>i hate ascians
>i hate koji
>i hate heavensward
>i hate maehiro
>i hate aymeric
>i hate edgeslop
>i hate rape in my fantasy
>i hate politics
>i hate stormblood
>i hate garlemald
>i hate hien
>i hate hate hate HATE HATE HATE HATTE!!!!!! Lyse
>i hate eureka
>i hate savage
>i hate the job system
>i hate cross classing
>i hate accuracy
>i hate TP
>i hate MP
>i hate all the jobs in their original incarnations
>but yeah FFXIV is the greatest game ever and there are no flaws and honestly you just don't like the game, we stan dawntrail!

>>724426134
get help

I think OC is what finally made the devs go from "Sure some people gripe and we shouldn't completely ignore them, but everyone loves the game" to "Oh shit we have problems problems", and start looking at some of their old assumptions and realizing they were no longer true. They probably thought "We have all-purpose rewards that players always want, like tomestones, gil, and materia" and now realize a lot of players don't care about gil at all. They probably also realize now what a joke materia is as a reward, and if they don't do another gil sink in the next relic step, I wouldn't be surprised if you need like 200 max-rank materia for a step in 7.45

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Who did it better?

the Guild Wars 2 expansion is LIT

>>724426312
>I wouldn't be surprised if you need like 200 max-rank materia for a step in 7.45
Hmm, I think you know something. Oddly specific.

The issue with oc is that they tried to pander to the crowd that doesn’t like doing field ops because they were the people complaining about how bad eureka and bozja were. But what they didn’t realise was these people they were pandering too were never going to actually interact with the content anyway and essentially just made a field ops hated by the people that normally actually like doing them because they tried to pander to the people that were never going to touch it anyway.

>>724426376

it was a team effort

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>>724426482
I'm never gonna watch one of these videos, but I gotta say I do get a chuckle out of the thumbnails

GUYS LOOK AT THE FOLDER DUMPER LOOK LOOK DON'T YOU HATE THE FOLDER DUMPER LOOK AT HIM LOOK AT HIM AND TALK ABOUT HIM DON'T TALK ABOUT THE GAME DON'T VOICE YOUR CRITICISMS OR YOU'RE THE FOLDER DUMPER SO LOOK AT THE FOLDER DUMPER UGH I HATE THE FOLDER DUMPER LOOK AT HIM I JUST CAN'T STAND HIM THAT'S WHY YOU SHOULD LOOK AT HIM

>>724426521
For me personally I think they made a major mistake not having a normal mode raid. You have jobs with these abilities for dungeons (doors/chests/etc) or special kind of CC/interactions that do nothing for CEs.

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>>724417915
raped to death by chinks

It's not that they didn't deliver on it per se, but rather they focused on the general playerbase over the higher end. PT has better rewards than any previous Deep Dungeon. It's only Q40 that doesn't. Which makes sense, especially after Eureka Orthos was such a flop.

And you already mentioned the other way they, "technically" delivered on that promise: by stripping old content.

In the end, people should know by now Yoshida is always in PR mode when making announcements. It's why I don't put much stock in his "you won't have to wait long" statement regarding the expansion release.

>>724426928
>New World
yeah, about that one...

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>>724426645
They're funny.

The goal of Quantum/PT was to make content that a wider swath of players could enjoy. For Pilgrim's Traverse, this was a massive unqualified success. The checkpoint changes made it much more accessible to casual players without affecting the hardcore people basically at all, and the challenge logs mean you can match groups easily even weeks later (and will make it easier to use Party Finder when the hype eventually does die down). No one really expected PT to be so successful, so that dominated the conversation.

Quantum...is messier. If you view it as "The part of Pilgrim's Traverse that appeals to the raiders", then it works okay. There's no reward but a title (and being able to get the mount faster), but a lot of raiders likely did PT to get to the reward of the Cool Fight who otherwise wouldn't have bothered, so from that angle it's a success. It's not content you do over and over for a reward, it's the reward for doing content (the deep dungeon) over and over that you might otherwise have nor done. That certainly worked for me. I had no interest in the Deep Dungeon and was just getting through it to get to Quantum and ended up having a lot of fun I otherwise wouldn't have had.

If you view Quantum as content that, in and of itself, is meant to appeal to everyone, it absolutely fails. The gap between the base version of the fight and Q15 is way too fucking big to use it as a way to help your casual friend get into raiding, and there's no real reason to climb the ladder. It's not a "casual to savage" roadpath like some people (myself included) wanted. They could have had Q15 power up your Aetherpool and required level 130 Aetherpool or whatever to do Q40, and added a latter incentive that way but I don't think anyone would've liked that.

You'd think that'd make it more interesting to discuss, that it's a huge success and a huge failure at the same time, but I think most people are going "Well at least PT is pretty good"

>>724426928
That's better than I expected Blue Protocol doing.

>>724426928
>New World
How is this even possible after all this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3ZMly9YAPA

>>724427086
BP is F2P and full of bots, it's inflated stats like Lost Ark had during their peak. It also pads stats by encouraging leaving it on for AFK farming.
It's still kinda fun, the fight mechanics are pretty much ripped off 1:1 from 14.

>>724427095
New World is dead, effective today
The Studio was terminated lol

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>>724427357
What the fuck was Amazon thinking?

>>724427559
It's clear their idea of "midcore" is savage. When people ask for more midcore content they interpret it as "more savage", and so that's what we get. Criterion, Chaotic, Fork Tower, Quantum. I feel like the concept of content that's legitimately clearable by (almost) everyone but not sleepwalk "you can be afk and still win" is something that hasn't even crossed their minds.

For me, normals used to fill that niche, particularly 8-mans and alliance raids. They've never been hard, but I feel they weren't QUITE so hollow as they are now. Part of that is probably also having less streamlined jobs, so there's more to engage with even before considering boss design. In any case, it was enough for me, someone who doesn't do high-end content at all, to happily keep playing for years and years.

But at some point they decided normals should just offer no resistance at all, which they kept pushing more and more until by mid/late-Endwalker I realized that the game is palpably boring. Like I found I'd rather just not play than queue up for roulettes. They tried to correct a -little- in Dawntrail with encounter tuning, but the designs are still stale left/right in/out with no group responsibility and they continued to make jobs even worse, such that normal content is now basically unbearable to play more than a couple times (not to mention old content doesn't get any tuning so just continuously gets worse).

They could make new content to fill that spot but I'd rather if they just made normals better again. Doesn't seem like they're going that direction though.

>>724417915
Well they just killed New World. Do I really have to come crawling back to this shit? Maplestory isn't coming for a while either. I don't wanna play this game again but what else is there?!

>>724427723
If you were still playing New World, it's not like you had any high-standards to begin with anyway

>>724427774
My standards are terribly low. That is the fucking problem with this genre. Its bottom of the barrel dogshit as a whole. They can't even surpass my already low standards.

>>724427774
New World has the best crafting/gathering loop out of any mmo though. It's worth playing it just for that.

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>>724421245
>do you mod you're game
heavily, now GTFO pedo ass hoe.

>>724427993
>wormbrained crustbusting furfag

i just want jobs to be fun and varied again
what's the point in being able to level them all on one character if they're all boring

>>724427869
Not anymore, it's over man. Their steam page just says no more content. Linkdin AGS page is deleted, T&L is getting shutdown as well. A lot of mmo addicts are going to be hungry. Square Enix if they weren't clueless idiots could take advantage of this but they won't.

>>724428079
Cackling at you, nerd.

>>724428125
But players who hate Final Fantasy might get angry that they're encouraged to use the job system to play optimally, have you thought about that?

>>724428241
fuck em

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so, hardboiled eggs are supposed to be cocaine right

It's because the combat system has been simplified so severely that it only be engaging when things are threatening to outright kill you. No exceptions.

DPS checks, mob positioning, enmity management, resource management, debuffs, DoTs, Healer mechanics, interactables....these things just don't exist anymore.

Midcore has nothing because:

We've trained all healers to be as stressless as possible
Tanks to basically just be "immortal DPS"
DPS have, purely by design, 100% optimized uptime, ALL the time, no exceptions

The only way to stress test this is to either throw a fuckton of mechanics/AoEs at you, or put a shotgun to your head while you resolve a singular one.

It's not tenable and we've been complaining about it for years.

there's no such thing as midcore

>>724429275
True

U got cucked out of a BA run doing the support fate because no one else wanted to go in after now ill never finish my weapons

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>>724429275
the recent "midcore" additions by the devs are such a fucking waste of dev time
85% of the playerbase is casual and will never touch anything that requires communication to clear
you're not going to appeal to them with quantum, forked tower, whatever. because anything that requires communication is DOA content to these people

>>724429594
I 100% agree. any content that requires out of game comms is dead on arrival except for the usual savage raids

>>724429186
>It's not tenable and we've been complaining about it for years.
And they're too far down the path to reverse course.

>>724426312
Fix materia prices by making it consume the gear when converted again and people would do all kinds of shit for the materia alone.
It would absolutely fix the flat as fuck economy they created.

>>724420474
Japan fanfest said "Variant Dungeons" plural, but we're only getting one in 7.4. 7.5 has second map for Occult Crescent.

Quantum is content for raider-types hidden behind grind content that raider-types typically don't care about. There is a venn diagram of people who enjoy both areas of content, but casual DD enjoyers (who PT was clearly developed towards more than other DDs, with the checkpoints/overall ease) and hardcore party content "wipe a bunch of times and read up on strats" enjoyers are pretty separate. The endpoint being that the number of people who want to do quantum is pretty low.

And then on top of that, the rewards for it is mainly just "get the things you already get from the challenge log, but more efficiently", which to a lot of people is just kind of w/e and not worth doing.

And the above is about q40 specifically, but the worthwhileness of doing anything below that (other than as practice for q40) is kind of questionable, as the efficiency (the only thing worth farming quantum for) goes down a bit at those difficulties.
ve been complaining about it for years.

>>724417915
I don't know. All my friends stopped playing. It sucks!

>>724417915
I quit this game unironically because they removed Kaiten so that's the only thing that could make me think of going back to this dogshit lmeow

>>724424637
Rewards to the devs mean mounts, portrait kits, and fashion accessories. Not alternative gear.

Difference is, the majority of the active community, casuals and raiders alike, would treat this game as a hidden unpolished gem.

In HW/SB I've always recommend the game to friends, and try and highlight the fun parts of it, even it takes some time to get to the raiding section. I'd try and excuse the jank because "that's just how it works, you get used to it, x and y is super fun/interesting, just keep going"

I'd really wanted them to experience the later parts of the game and see what it's all about.

We still had our complaints of course, but we'd still be excited whenever we got others to try the game because we could see past its flaws and wanted others to see what it's all about.

I feel like that bit is entirely gone for me, I wouldn't really get excited anymore if someone asked about the game, I'd give a much more bland, sanitized and slightly depressed "Umm, well, if you like x and don't mind y, I guess z isn't too bad.., but.."

Maybe others still have that excitement and it's just jaded boomer speak, but I genuinely feel the game has lost most of its soul and spirit from older expansions.

>>724430887
>converted materia
>mattering ever
not while hunts exist

The only guaranteed reward is a title, which you get after the first clear on 40. So unlike Extremes, which force 50 or 99 runs for a guaranteed mount, or Savages, which grant BiS Gear with a weekly lockout, there's no reason to run this again and again. And without multiple runs, there's a lot less to talk about

>>724431276
I still find it hilarious that they're so against alternative gear they made the Criterion upgraded tome weapons have the exact same stats as savage. You're not allowed alternatives, ever.

is kate fired yet

>>724417915
stop development and go into maintenance mode
take the current team and make ff17 an MMO
the game's engine is just too restrictive

>>724431718
Imagine if they'd made an FF7 or FF13 styled cyberpunk FF MMO to dump all the modernslop and sci-fi bullshit into.

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>>724417915
Guys, how do you stop being so lazy?

>>724431505
You're only thinking DoW.
Even so, the amount of materia flowing thorugh the market is mostly the spiritbond and people sit on the clusters. Massively reduce the spiritbond materia and people will eat through the clusters in no time until a new equilibrium is reached.
It will gil sink a ton through the market tax while hiking materia prices across the board alongside other related materials (scrips to buy materia etc.)

>>724431582
To be fair, they tried again with chaotic.

Because there was genuinely no other reason to do it except "to do it." No rewards except a title. A title is honestly almost as useless as a mount reward these days. People have their favourites, so going for something you'll barely use (in mounts cases, places you'll even barely use it as well), why bother? The biggest issue with content is the payouts nowadays. Pair that all with the fact that a single glorified trial fight coming out in a literal dead period of the game's patch cycle (not to mention TWO months after the major patch itself), everyone who would do it is gone.

SE needs to just drop titles and mounts as main rewards and just invest in glamour development. People will do content if the glamours is good. Perfect examples are PVP and Maps. You suddenly got people jumping into content they barely/never do just for those outfits/weapons. But I also HEAVILY underline "GOOD" glamour. Not meme gear like that Fuath set that is fitted horribly and looks bad on everyone, and not more stupid "old FF character" armor. This might be a hot take, as well, but.. Make it untradeable. SE making things tradeable immediately pours water on people with dwindling interest because they can just wait a bit and buy the rewards from the content.

>>724431441
>but I genuinely feel the game has lost most of its soul and spirit from older expansions.
All those rough edges that they've sanded down around combat/jobs/rotations/encounter design are what made it interesting. System quirks and player workaounds.
They all mattered. Accuracy, TP, non-uniform MP, corss class skills, sub-job requirements. All of it mattered.

I hate the offering system and how leader’s reward is a lot more than other members.

How can you make sure a party runs the fight 4 times to be fair to everyone? Especially Q40.

I want to farm some Q15, but the thought of either opening my own PF or joining another’s for reduced reward does not excite me.

Just do away with the offering system and give maybe 5 levels of difficulty, or give everyone the same rewards, or very slightly higher for leader.

Also Q40 should have mount or glowing weapon for the trouble.

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You know what? I liked A Realm Reborn, despite everyone telling me it sucks.

You must understand that these hours also feel like non-gameplay moments.

Taking enemies 1 by 1, licking walls and saving pomanders... Everything is mind-numbingly easy so much so that a raider feels like there is absolutely 0 challenge.

What little difficulty's left would be bosses but one would obviously read a guide if he simply wants to be done with it asap, which trivializes these encounters.

Also, you must be out of your mind if you consider MMO to lead to 6-7 hours for a single task. Gameplay loops usually are far, far, FAR quicker. 30 minutes is a better estimation, an hour at best. Several hours is for something one would purposefully grind, not an access requirement.

>>724432324
If you are leader you get 14 sacks, which is a very high chance for a mount. Ideally grab friends and cycle party leader seat.

If you want discussion, then Q40 is a good piece of content. It's challenging due to high mechanical skill requirements and insanely high damage. Plus there's the constant need to check which debuffs you have for certain mechanics while ensureing the bosses have equal HP. Because it's 4-man, the coordination requirement is a bit lower than in 8-man since you have more space and it doesn't have the endurance requirement of an ultimate, but it's still the hardest piece of content in the game behind them alongside Criterion Savage.

As for what Quantum difficulty brings, Q15 is a very similar fight but the tolerances are much laxer. It does less damage, the light and dark debuffs last 3x as long and the boss HP is lower. The main thing that I thought was weird was the fact that one of the key mechanics, the light debuff passes is handled almost identically as it is in Q40. I really thought that was one of the mechanics that would've been scaled down massively.

Overall it doesn't seem like this iteration of Quantum was very successful at offering progressive difficulty for the entire playerbase. My goals for this way of structuring the game would be to introduce an on ramp from story mode all the way to ultimate with real in-game incentives to make people want to climb and push themselves gradually to get the rewards they're comfortable with. It needs to make Sherpaing, lucrative for people who have cleared higher difficulties and for it to be extremely easy to access all tiers of content.

I think Q40 was perfect in terms of challenge, but I really expected Q15 to be on the level of a NM raid or maybe an easy extreme, however it just has savage mechanics sprinkled in. It doesn't have enough variance between difficulties to even be considered by anyone who plays below a savage level in the first place, which I think is heavily misguided.

Abandon XIV for ESO.

>>724433094
lol
might resub to osrs though since sailing is about to come out

The biggest issue for why it isn't being discussed is because it has no rewards outside of the title and the barriers for entry are too high. There's no reason to do it on a lower difficulty than 40, and there's really no reason to repeat it once you've done it once. It was added to the pile of DoA content that SE keeps making rather than giving us scaling rewards so players are incentivised to challenge it at the highest difficulty they can manage. Worse performing groups should strive to improve and try to get as many rewards as they are able to and players who've cleared on higher difficulties should be incentivised to help players get fresh clears on any difficulty. As for the barriers to entry, beating floor 100 of DD and needing a 99/99 aetherpool score is too steep a cost if you want people who enjoy doing trials to attempt to do harder trials. And even after that, the way to select difficulty is so obtuse it's mindblowing. Just make it a slider on a trial in DF. There's literally no need for all of this and it further disincentivises trying variable difficulty due to the cost before you can even attempt.

I think that if all Quantum content is like this with savage mechanics pushing themselves into ultimate territory, then I'm going to have a lot of fun with XIV in future as someone who personally would like to have an ultimate every other patch, assuming 8.0 at least attempts to diversfy the jobs again. However it leaves a lot to be desired for players that need more slow scaling into doing savage. There's a huge gap between EX trials and savage that is simply not being filled atm. Quantum was the perfect chance to do so. Especially since it's structured in a way that you can learn the mechanics in lower difficulties and then be challenged in higher tiers.

Schizo fantasy 14 reddit copy paste edition, no sane person still plays this after DT.

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must be a time consuming effort to be perusing reddit and official forums for all these forumposts

you COULD be playing the game you know

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>>724417915
>randomly check dreamfitting
>latest mog station set is just straight up slutwear
Holy fuck they're actually desperate kek

>>724433989
lore appropriate reaper outfit, you secondary

My goals for this way of structuring the game would be to introduce an on ramp from story mode all the way to ultimate with real in-game incentives to make people want to climb and push themselves gradually to get the rewards they're comfortable with. It needs to make Sherpaing, lucrative for people who have cleared higher difficulties and for it to be extremely easy to access all tiers of content.

This is what I hope for as well eventually. I wouldn't mind if every single encounter in the game has some sorry of quantum difficulty implemented with it. From story dungeons to trials to savage raids. One, it would give the content actual logetivity apart from just getting it once a patch cycle on your rouletted and two, it would help onboarding a ton of players to higher end content.

>>724434047
You're supposed to hate Garlemald here or else you're dumpy.

>>724433989
Its from the doll boss

>>724434092
the garlemald we got in endwalker is one of the best sections of the MSQ and retards who want it stretched out into a full expansion are just that

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>>724432401
Based. It's even comfier if you don't fly

All I care about is better writers and less localizer bullshit.

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....you guys are still playing?

>>724434546
Not as often, but yea
I hope 8.0 is good

>>724434617
I hope it's not and the game dies :)

>>724435021
if it dies, it dies
Not gonna get that upset about it
Its a game at the end of the day

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>>724421245

It's a little disingenuous to say it's an "oops all savage"-situation when PT, which is tied to the same content piece, included 10 dungeon level bosses and changing dungeon floors for the non-raiding players to enjoy. The same patch also dropped a sidequest and a beast tribe so it's not like the casual content isn't there.

I get that you're saying the execution of Quantum wasn't good, and the quantum difficulty modifier somehow has less of a reason to exist than the Criterion normal/savage split had. But the reality is that SE very likely just views Quantum as the raider portion of this content drop, while the story difficulty portion was entrusted entirely on PT. Really poor way to utilize the scalable difficulty system, but they did technically deliver what they promised.

I think the problem of non-raider content isn't as much the lack of content itself (not denying that it isn't a problem, just not the main problem), but that the existing non-raider content just isn't engaging to repeat and doesn't offer any kind of engagement curve, which would be really easy to fix with job design. Using SCH as an example since I know you play it: nobody with a very base level of proficiency has fun repeating story dungeons or raids spamming broil and watching nothing do much damage at all. But if you were playing a job with complexity on the level of SB SCH for example, healing tanks with a level of power akin to a SB tank, more experienced players would have the opportunity to add and think about various optimizations to their gameplay and adapt to different tanks on the fly, ramping up engagement in otherwise simple content.

>>724435368
is this like a reddit post or what

>>724435449
its some post from elsewhere copy/pasted
Been happening for a while now

>>724435449
folderkun had to change tact since his vpns he was using to get away with posting the same pictures 24/7 for weeks on end got banned because someone else was using them for actual CP. text is a lot less harder to block and still gets (you)s

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ACK

>>724433468
I don't get what's wrong with them giving rewards, it's like they don't have enough 3D modelers or something, it can't be that hard design weapons, gear, mounts and minions for a game with PS3 graphics.
I mean, the gear for OC is ok but give me other things that aren't just for cosplay.

>>724432401
ARR is when the game most feels like an MMO. It becomes extremely formulaic slop once you get to the expansions

The rewards? They're just terrible.... I don't know why Yoshi P is adversed to giving rewards to players, if he thinks the gameplay on offer is enough of a reward then why is the game still bleeding players? Him and his studio teams make so many faux pas in game design it's crazy. Though desu I don't think rewards would have changed anything in all honesty, you might have seen a few thousand more players try it out but nothing to write home about for what the engagement targets should be reaching in an MMO of FFXIV's size, purely because again, it's stuck behind 2 Deep Dungeons.

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>>724431237
based

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>>724435745
it's kind of disheartening to finally understand that every new mmo is gonna be a flop and only WoW will be left standing

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>>724433125
Hit gridmaster into sailing into sins of the father epilogue. OSRSchads are eating good

the variable difficulty doesn't matter if it STARTS at low end savage. Also the boss itself at least in normal is just random thing being random, not really something you'd care to fight again but harder. No story to it.

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>>724435954
lol remember when yoshi p completely lied about dawntrail rewards?

The devs clearly do not like working on the game anymore. Longer and longer waits between patches with less content is going to obviously make most players leave. Especially when most of said content is 1 and done and is extremely FOMO because of how fast it dies. The incoming players think that the game is vast and deep as an ocean but its just a puddle filled with bandaids. The only thing to really do is put it into maintenance mode and change it into a pure singlular player game. Will be sad to see it go but it is an obvious death spiral.

>>724417915
yes. i would like the game to be good again. thank you

>>724427047
this entire comment is a word for word copy of a reply to an r/ffxivdiscussion post kek

>>724436258
yea lol what a joke

>>724436258
All of Dawntrail marketing was a lie.

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>Remove Flying for 99% of mounts and make it cost something significant each time you use it
>fuse most zones together
>Put plots on new zones
>Introduce player-run shop systems and trade routes
>Said trade routes can be attacked by players memebers of beast tribes
>Add more FATES and make them more divers
>Add mobs with different AI behaviors in the wild and in combat
>Rework all jobs and have them each rotate around a core combat idea (positional attacks, summoning, mana managment, cet.)
>Make it so that you have to earn your abilities
>Add a lot more while you're at it, make sure they aren't only damage
>Make Limited jobs real jobs
>Rework damage types to create build variety
>Add useful fucking items that gives you passives and actives if you do X, Y or/and Z
>Kill all the scions, make sure they never reappear again
>Ability to manually allocate stats our characters
>Rework the job trinity to be stat based rather than job based
>Perma ban all mods and modders
>Fire the whole Consulting department
>Dungeons that are not straight lines
>Raids that are not straight lines
>Non linear Expacs
>Dialogue Choices ala SW:TOR
>Relationships ala SW:TOR
>Add back most of the quirks the Devs removed from dungeons because "muh trust system"

And I'm sure there are more we could add. As long as Square doesn't update their shitty engine, no point in having hope for the game

Wake me up when major job reworks drop

>>724420989
Impregnate both twins, shut it down, ffxvii

>>724436558
The biggest thing about non linear raids and dungeons is that MMO communities will optimize it so its the meta path or kick/leave. I agree that they shouldn't be a straight line, maybe get a switch or boss with good rewards that is off the beaten path.

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>>724417915
>>724420989
the answer on how to fix the game is simple
get better writers
most people play this game for the story
this is obvious when you look at how many
players unsubbed because of DT. The game did not lose that many players at once during any other expansion,

>>724436558
might as well make an entirely new game if they have to go this far
you'd think EW/SHB's lessons would wake people up
all good things must come to an end even this game

It was DOA because we as a community have largely decided that "content for the sake of content" isn't enough - We need a suitably large carrot at the end of the stick. So long as we aren't getting meaningful changes to how gearing works, the only other rewards will be cosmetic, which will flounder and fail in a matter of weeks, if not days.

>>724437565
no thanks to the modernshit in all those cosmetics

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>Add more FATES and make them more divers

here's your new fate type bro!!
>only used once and fate itself is completely memoryholed by both playerbase and developers

>>724420001
You are playing a game full of disgusting trannies. If you get tank anxiety, you should fucking put a bullet in your brain already. Faggot.

Vertical progression content MMOs like FFXIV and WoW have this problem, where nobody will want to run old content just because. WoW shits out more content so this isnt a problem, players will always go to the shiny new thing.

Because everything is slow with FFXIV content quickly dies out and nobody does reruns just for the sake of running it. Also because the rewards are pretty ass nobody cares. This is why you rarely see people doing MINE runs of older content for funzies

>>724436512
>YOU WILL FIGHT YOUR FRIENDS!
>It's just Thancred blocking your path in the first dungeon
lmao. The only thing I was hoping for was some kind of solo duty at least.

accepting that the game is gone, made me happy. ff14 had its day in the sun. now its dead

>>724437000
They don't need a new writer they need a new director that won't excessively constrain the writer with progressive politics, nothing Hiro wrote before this was this awful and everything wrong with the story (besides maybe lol dragon allies) can be clearly traced back to the directors ideology

>>724437721
Is this the one where you escort the prostitute around costa del soul?

yall still post here? real excited for christmas savage i bet lol

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>>724417915
To fix FFXIV I would release a game called FF16 that has homosexuals and homosexuals kissing, getting the game banned in Saudi Arabia and winning virtue signalling points with your very LGBTQ cultivated audience.

Then as the game flops, one year later I would fly my FFXIV orchestra team over to Saudi Arabia, the place that banned my other game, and try to endear them to FFXIV by wearing their clothing and kneeling for them asking for their money.

Now FFXIV is fixed.

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>>724436921
Aye, players can and always will be an issue, but I'm sure it could be mitigated if the mechanics are skill based rather than knowledge based
>>724437052
Few years ago I would have settled for simply a clear direction, i think that is what Square is lacking the most at the moment
>>724437721
You can't make this shit up, lmao
>>724438441
It's the one with the magitek boss at lv68. As otheranon said, it was forgotten lmao

>>724426986
They were better when he was an ai athena voice, now with the Scottish dude it's just not the same.

why are you replying to everyone

>>724435886
TRUTH NUKE OF ALL TRUTH NUKES!

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apparently this is a female yok huy

I've seen generally positive posts around.

I don't know myself because it's relatively difficult getting up there for me just pugging. But that's about the same as all the DDs. They made the checkpoints nicer, but it's such a chore going 9 floors with a 10th floor boss fight that can reset you 20-30 floors. It can also be annoying wanting the weapon glams but needing to turn in grips that eat away at the aetherpool, requiring grinding to re-up to meet floor entry requirements. But that's just me.

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This is why the game is in the shitter.

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every time i use souleater i jump and every now and then i say shoryuken

>>724439403
every time I see the yok huy I can only think about the nigger space roaches from that one manga

>>724438695
I'd love to learn what the Saudis think of Wuk, since that ought to be a hoot!

>>724439540
This is so funny because the EW pvp sets were considered overdesigned slop with capes for the buttcapes and a huge step down from Feast armor

>>724439403
>reusing the one model they made
no shit

is that cat real?

>>724439724
yes. he is made of win and stand

>>724439616
I loved all those sets it made me Elezen Paladin look amazing, I took so many narcissistic pictures of my dude around Elpis wearing the armours and wielding my Heavensward relic weapon. Then Dawntrail comes with modernslop. What the fuck were they thinking?

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>>724439614
There's no way they played FFXIV, I just can't believe it. Imagine they played in English as well having to listen to a troon? KEK

the thing is FFXIV needs a complete overhaul
let's say they fix the jobs in 8.0, then what? waiting another year for Occult Crescent 2?
they need to get back to three month patches and even with more content

All you get is a title for doing it and a bunch of stuff you can otherwise get with ease. There's no weapon glow, meaning a lot won't glamour it. And gear is pointless right now since it'll be replaced by crafted gear that cost little to nothing a week or two after next patch releases.

So if content is offering virtually zero rewards for it, you've dramatically hampered who is going to be playing it.

There's those people out there that like to assure everyone they're going to spend every waking moment playing content, reward or not, but looking at the number of people actually doing it makes it pretty clear what the general public thinks.

>>724418031
This

>>724420831
This. Literally all you need to do is waddle into groups of mobs and spam your aoe moves while using defensive cds. Arguably only healer is a more braindead role.

I'm not really interested until 8.0. So fanfests I'll be watching with anticipation(and dread) but liveletters are barely even "check in afterwards" now.

>>724421245
Yes. Kitbashed armor. I really liked the arabesque-meets-Japonisme look I had.

>>724422748
Based.

>>724425358
As much as I hate the game I still favor the luckybancho numbers around 700k-800k because if it was 300k that'd be straight up apocalypse.

>>724440725
>So fanfests I'll be watching with anticipation
Did you see the price they're charging for the NA fanfest? $250 before tax KEK. I saw Japs laughing saying they could get a Switch 2 or go to the NA fanfest, go to Disneyland or Fanfest.
Last fanfest they charged $150 before tax.

>>724420989
Giraffe the twins, kill one of them in the middle of the next expansion, disable all addons, add more yaoi.

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>>724432401
Side quests were great but the MSQ was really ass. Masterpiece relative to Dawntrail but still. I will always be amazed at the alchemist quest hooking me narratively in 1-60 better than the MSQ had. Gee I fucking wonder who wrote 1-50.

>>724436073
I have come to peace with it. In a way I find it impressive - WoW is like 4chan or reddit or instagram or facebook. It's a titan of the modern internet such that it will never really go. I expect it'll have expansions for another 20 more years because it's only when the playerbase is straight up dying in their 60s-70s that they will be less of a good cash cow. I wish I was into wow but it don't do it for me.

>>724440850
Yeah I saw that. They are at the nickle and dime rent-seeking part of enshittification. Yoshida's "If you guys stop buying stuff on the cash shop we might have to scale back what we support" was very pic related. It's not the game will die, but very much they'll cut further corners and content. They need to close the Pacific datacenter, and frankly maybe merge the European datacenters.

Was talking with my friend about it an hour ago and he said endwalker was set up to be so finale because rumor is square enix thought they were about to go under. And I just had to say
>If they thought they were going under in 2020-2021 before forspoken and babylon's fall WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY THINKING NOW?

I don't buy that rumor for back then but I sure as fuck buy that rumor if it was proposed anno domini 2025.

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>>724417915
>How would YOU fix FFXIV?
add sex

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If 7.4 savage gear is more hobo tier garbage, I’m sitting it out.

Because the content didn't last. Lack of reward and too hard for casual (and i mean casual in capital C)

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Stand tall my friends...

>>724435886
ARR is no different that every other expansion though?

I've always enjoyed doing the Deep Dungeons with friends and as someone that doesn't want to fuck with the marketboard really, I loved doing full clears of HoH and POTD for the Night Pegasus and the Dodos. I probably made 100 million alone just selling those mounts. I know theres a chance for the new mounts too, but 9 times out of 10 I'm getting a "sacrament" to use for Quantum. You cant give these away theyve flooded the market board so heavily. I don't know why they didnt just make it a currency or something because making it an Accursed Hoard reward somehow feels worse than when you'd get fireworks from a sack.

>>724441254
Anywho
1. Merge DF in NA
2. Give a bonus for queuing for “random EX in current expansion “


There now people can do midcore without suffering through PF.

>>724417915
Beastmaster I guess.

>>724419129
You need to get the plugins too

>>724418979
Tanks are just demigods. 70% of the damage of a dps and 500% more survivability. The only thing they can't do good is raid dps. Take away the enrage timer and they are the best at all things.

>>724425958
I could have fixed her

>>724435886
why do people come into these threads and larp

>>724432401
frankly most of the MSQ is pretty alright. ups and downs, slow portions that are shit, slow portions that are cozy. ARR is really rote, but sometimes you're not really asking for a lot. even though stormblood is fuckin stupid and underdelivered on its concepts, it's mostly specific egregious points of trouble rather than something haunting the entire expansion every step of the way. i'll even say that 6.0 endwalker is mostly fine if a bit contrived and fanwanky.
then Daichi took over and jesus fuck christ

>>724442389
I miss when tanks were more involved. SB tanking was engaging, post ShB it's just pull and AoE sprint and keep the boss facing north. With harder content it's just tank swapping

>>724442541
the best news yoship can give is that they got a new writer

>>724417915
live yoshitpiss sudoku

>m-maybe the next expansion...
xiv will never get better for the simple fact that the time have changed, it's not 2014 anymore. The corporate culture and staff that facilitated the "based" shit like minfilia championing the importance of maintaining a strong national identity, or godbert telling the sultana the best way to help the refugees is to give them opportunities to earn money instead of just handing it to them, that doesn't exist anymore. So even if 8.0 magically solved all the gameplay and engine issues people have, the writing would still be sanitized disney slop with a healthy dash of left leaning sentiment.

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>>724417915
How will other jobs adopt the Pictomancer design philosophy going forward?

It's a low effort lobby game that calls itself an mmo because gullible zoomers have no frame of reference. It's an 'mmo' made for people who hate everything that defines an mmo.

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>>724417915
DON'T SHOW ME YOUR BOOBS NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>724443161
This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. We'll never get anything like this again.

>>724442991
Yeah, you tell 'em sister! Rights for all!

>>724443253
what were you talking about, and who really cares?

>>724425676
That looks like Valhalla from Halo 3.

>>724443346
>what were you talking about
Underage girls undressing in front of us.
>who really cares?
The president of the united states.

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>>724424715
Chinese slop is an unstoppable force, they know they just have to change the character models and shove different percentages in the equipment and it'll sell

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>>724442927
They should have upgraded the game engine to Unreal 4 at the very least as that's what the mobile version is running on and it's got so many improvements in Qol compared to the PC version.
Instead they did a piss poor attempt at a graphical upgrade that didn't really please people, in fact it turned away thousands because they lost investment in how their character looked, I'm tlaking about console players in JP who couldn't mod their characters.
It was a big issue on the JP forums with thousands of posts talking about the graphics update ruined their enjoyment and love for their Wol.

I love raiding in this game. I clear savage week 1/2 I clear ultimates whenever they come out. I’m not the “fastest” like takes me a month or so.

This “new” content isn’t a replacement for ultimates. Honestly I don’t even know why I’m subbed. FRU was a joke (difficulty wise) and got boring very very fast. I appreciate it wasn’t made with me in mind (aka no life ultimates) but it’s very very frustrating the first ultimate of the expansion was made for non-ultimate folks to get into it. Then for there to be no ultimate in the middle feels very shit. I don’t even want an ultimate at the end. (Time wise) cos like while I understand the DSR/TOP back to back burnt people out. I think that’s whatever, I would rather be burnt out then bored….

>>724443416
kek

>>724443161
That shit was retarded for how people kept dropping her age lower and lower in their screeching like that old meme about a jew asking his father to borrow five bucks "Two bucks! back when I was your age I was happy with a dollar! I'll give you a quarter - here's a dime, now share it with your brother".

Same people who lusted after shipping her with ryne and sure as shit weren't keeping that PG related, too.

>>724443438
You know why didn't they just have a toggle for old model/new model? Maybe limited to across the board for all characters. Oh right, small indie company please understand.

>>724443756
>You know why didn't they just have a toggle for old model/new model?
Probably because it's not just a case of new textures but a new model, or whatever it's called for faces. The updates characters have way more parts of the face to pose.

>>724444003
I guess that's a fair point, I forgot when I was trying to do gposing post release all my old poses were broken expression wise as faces jumped from like 12 bones to 40.

>>724443756
They absolutely should have a toggle mode but again this is a retarded company that can't think like normal people.

>>724443487
I know this is a forum post but people who thought FRU was already babby difficulty are gonna get an even bigger disappointment with the Ascian ultimate.

"Hey here's this Savage-tier content that's going to take coordination and possibly a static to run"

"Oh cool, do we get any sweet rewards for beating the hard version?????"

>>724444602
Here is your page of materia to choose from.

>>724417915
You cannot fix xiv at this point.
Ive gone back to xi but i advise you faghots not play it. We do not want you here.

>>724417915
Free Trail Shadowbringers so I can Hroth out for free

>>724443416
to be honest, said underaged girl undressing was very out of the norm of the setting when multiple times literally any transformation doesn't need to shed clothing, OG shiva's transformations included. What Ryne did was really suspicious. I would blame on horny teen homones botching the summoning magicks, but she was also going feral with summon bullshit magic inside her so she's not to blame.

Which leaves us two culprits for that scenario to happen: (you), the summoner and Urianger. And I'm sure Urianger wouldn't lewd Ryne.

>>724444686
Gotta remember that she was hopped up on the teenage shipping fantasies of Ysayle and her dragon. So it was less a mere magical girl transformation and more "What would Sailor Moon imagine her transformation to be if she involved Tuxedo man during the transformation"

Though yeah I can also buy (You) remembering Ysayle's shit with that and it filtering into Ryne by accident.

>>724438359
Everything Hiros written has been absolute garbage.
YoshiP not caring at all is a different problem, but he's defly not invested enough to care about politics

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>>724443346
> and who really cares?
I care a whole fucking bunch

Part of the reason I started playing FF14 back in the day was because it was the 'unsafe' WoW. It tried all of the story elements, and plot details, and character designs, and quests, and bosses, and dungeons, and backstory that WoW would never dream of because of BlizzAct's design-by-committee strangles creativity and any attempt to be anything but uber-PC and safe. It has rape in its backstory, it has prostitution, it has genocide, it has racism, it covers topics like human trafficking and illegal immigration while also having hot girls in leotards in your party who flirt with you and you can dress them in bikinis or whatever you desire. It gives you choice during dungeons and you can set up your party however you like and party with whoever you desire because there are a dozen ways to reach end-game if you like. MSQ is just one path and if you don't like it, great.

These are not safe ways to make an MMO. An MMO designed by a AAA studio demands you fit a rigid structure with your character and never leave it. You need one path to get through the game, you need one way to write every character in the game, and the story requires dozens of writers and editors to ask bean counters if this is what is popular on Netflix at the time. So every story is effectively the same story and every class must play the same in order to beat it.

So of course Square Enix gets the same Morality Police that BlizzAct has from the same fucked-up state that can't even get its own political identity together, and becomes Design By committee for all of its xpacs and guess what happens to FF14 almost immediately after? It's so surgical how it was ruined that I wouldn't be shocked if Ex-Blizzard employees are working at Square Enix, now.

>>724438359
>They don't need a new writer
nigga what

>>724445056
Ryne also goes naked in the Savage version of the fight only, involving tampered memory crystals retelling the fights, which means that Mitron is the real perv here.

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>>724443756
>Same people who lusted after shipping her with ryne and sure as shit weren't keeping that PG related, too.
Ryne was based and we need more cute JB in our party that isn't the WoL herself if you play as that.

Quantum got a very positive reaction and so did PT (mostly, the solo community was not as happy) but the only thing is that quantum by itself doesn't have a lot of incentive to do it with its rewards and that people are highly resistant to doing anything other outside of their bubble which is the real issue plaguing this game and, frankly, a lot of game communities these days.

I don't know. I didn't do deep dungeons more than once for the older ones, the checkpoints in this one made me want to try for a solo run for the first time. Had a bunch of casual only friends do a run with me and they enjoyed it too and made the higher difficulty floors much bearable by being able to jump in from anywhere. It just very clearly seems like commitment that people will not put in even if this is the friendliest of the deep dungeon iterations. Though I don't think quantum will die out fully, the 4 man format makes it much easier to form groups and criterion still sees people do it to this day.

>>724417915
how dare you give the sword saint's quote to an image of that thot.

>>724445439
They bungled the potential of Mitron honestly. Last arc reveal that Gaia is the lover of an ascian and that both of them have sought to remain together forever after the end of the days, and now his/her beloved is amnesiac and in his/her eyes clearly being taken advantage of by these shallow-souled bastards. That's a tragic love story. Frankly given the yurifag audience making Mitron into a hot girl would have been a fantastic move to really make it more compelling to them since to a layperson like me it easily came across as
>Abusive ex-boyfriend wants his girlfriend back
instead of
>Soulmates with a love that transcends time and space are parted and the lover is trying to move heaven and earth to reunite with his beloved.

Oh yeah speaking of Mitron it's not breasts on that Artemis of Ephesus status they used for Eden 12. It's bull testicles. Or at least some interpretations are that.

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use or sell?

>>724446585
Sell for now. It will show up in a mogtome event at some point.

>>724446723
years down the line. i really wish i could preview it and play with it a bit

>>724446585
It's week 4, the price is plummeting. However, if you hold it until next year, it may go back up

>>724445403
this game is the safest fucking pg bullshit ever. there's only off screen implications and nothing ever happens on screen that could be remotely implied to be actually horrific.

>>724446818
>um, how do i know these catgirls were actually raped by the pirates who's cave there were locked up in

>>724446818
I too hate books because I cant see what's happening

>>724446818
>this game is the safest fucking pg bullshit ever
Yeah man, gang-rape, genocide, denying migrants stay because of purely economic concerns, and child prostitution are very safe subjects. WoW does it all the time on ERP servers.

>>724446881
He wants a quick time event where you play as the arcanist teacher to avoid orgasming when being raped by the roegadyn

>>724447249
Rubber bullets

>>724420989
rewrite 1.0 and ARR so they aren't literally absent and/or suck ass after years of pruning every relevant gameplay decision from them
fill in more gaps in older story content
make something like eureka for grinding 1-60 for the players who actually want to play an MMO inbetween their 120 hours of cutscenes
similarly make eureka a leveling zone or make that 1-70

>>724447249
They've really neutered that to the point that the only parts of it we got recently was Tesleen's transformation and the end of days. Which I liked, but it's clear they are starting to pull their punches compared to the past.

Given that shitty localizer I suspect she'll full on revisionist anything problematic. We go Sengoku Jidai and
>[The warlord of Shitpuku ravaged us!] in Japanese
becomes
>They ravaged our farms!

>>724419129
the mods are already just cheating, you cant stop people from cheating who want to cheat its literally impossible

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>>724419129
>mods le bad
>look inside
>almost all mods are just clothes replacers and QoL plugins
ultimate raids were a mistake

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>>724447341
Lakes full of dead babies

>>724447617
https://youtu.be/WbGIB6ffzLM

has the best song in the expansion too

>>724447617
Resolved in five minutes and we have zero dead baby monsters in the dungeon. Woulda been a perfect chance for some ghosts haunting us. Far as I remember it was aquatic squiddy monsters for first arc, then golems and such.

Oh right, yeah - we kill:
97 dungeon final boss
Daddy Issues Zoraalja
99 dungeon final boss.
That's it. That's the only humanoids we kill in the entire MSQ. Have to make a peepeepoopoo bomb for the bandits.

>>724447769
anon, the first set of trash is undead monstrosities

>>724447827
Lemme look it up again, I was thinking maybe we had a squiddy undead but I just remembered the first boss was a mantra ray

>>724447249
Again, they never really address any of it on any real level. the game really pushes the "diversity is our strength" that you see in modern gaming.

>>724447901
https://youtu.be/U1P7l1IjCv8?t=2070

>>724447885
https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/The_Skydeep_Cenote

Yeah you're right, ghosts and banshees. Still when the first boss was a manta ray instead of a ghost with some throwaway dialogue of
>Why you abandon me mommy
It just felt like another being afraid to really throw down. The entire expansion was just saturated with that point Yoshida said beforehand of wanting something a bit less dark. So even the slaughter of heya hoya heya hoyas in the city doesn't really have the punch we saw in prior expansions. Frankly the sheer horror of harvesting probably millions of souls in Solution 9's Zoraalja pogroms were another great chance to drive home the horror but it was really just flubbed.

To be fair this is actually a complaint I had of HW in retrospect of SHB and END. Consuming dravanian blood causes Ishgardians to turn into xenomorph looking dragonkin (Usually - the named one we met in ishgard resto was just a big chubby green dragon). But you don't get a moment to hammer that home, just dungeon guys who go
>Poof =3 now I'm a dragon :3

>>724419878
You need to remove them from dnc/brd too or we're still in the two minute meta and nothing changes. No one can have them. If they need to exist they should be like rpr's that just adds a one time effect to a player's next gcd. Just make it a proc and then it won't impact rotations.

>>724448091
emulating the darkness of endwalker so soon would have been in poor taste. yes, they sanded away too much grit but it would have felt too edgy if it wasn't executed perfectly. somehow a city of immortal memories being powered by the souls of the dead isn't dark enough?

you not hearing about it is more of a sign that it's good than bad, complainers are always the loudest. this content was fantastic and all my high end raider friends loved it and thought the same.

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>>724447901
>raped women who get brainwashed and mutated by Leviathan and killed by (You)
>a main villain who was prostituted against her will and makes family members kill each other so she can feel powerful
>a villain who rapes a girl then scoops her brother's brain out and puts it in a jar
>same villain kills a guy with the promise that his family will be provided for, then straps his wife and daughter into the body horror goo ball

>>724448273
>forum post, but i'll bite

that is true. quantum didn't get nearly the shit cloud of darkness did. were expectations more tempered this time after FRU being a wet noodle?

Did you not hear Xeno say it’s bad content because it doesn’t have a shiny stick for him to wave around and hold over the casuals?

>>724447769
I think what really bugs me about dead baby cave is that it's used to justify an entire region's context and drama, and then the instant we tell the dad off and make Bakool get his shit together, the problem disappears. Entirely. Garool or whatever the fuck even just wanders in behind us after we made our way through the dungeon and has absolutely zero comment on any of it. It'd be one thing if the cave was a lingering awkward situation for the cast or expansion, with characters taking more of a task to fix things instead of giving them foreign plant seeds for food variety and telling daddy to be a better person, but in the end it's just fucking shock value with no substance.

What I saw is that quantum 40 is one of the best fights in the game, and people did it once. I've also seen positive reviews for quantum 15. The problem yet again is that there's not much reason to do it.

>>724447769
>Resolved in five minutes
So was every gang-rape that isn't Yotsuyu

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>>724447706
I had no qualms whatsoever about them continuing to use that song for grand or mysterious moments throughout the rest of 7.0, what a profoundly sad dungeon and song to go with it

>>724448330
I think I vastly prefer cartoonishly evil dick Garleans over "ackshully our sociopolitical situation is very grey and complicated and we did nothing wrong" Garleans

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>>724417915
They should add voice chat. Who's with me!!?

No rewards or any enticing reason do it besides “I cleared hard fight”. Don’t know when they will learn adding cool rewards is like…the reason people want to try new stuff :/

>>724448221
No, their entire purpose was always pseudo-support.
Fights still mostly follow the old format that was built around the requirement of HP/TP regen in downtime. They certainly won't be putting that back in so the only pseudo-support that remains is damage/mit but everybody now has mit out of the ass too. They should gear it more towards Magic damage/mit (BRD), Phys damage/mit (MCH) and single buddy/weaker universal mit (DNC) though.