>say word>money stolen>ask for refund>money recoveredthank you EU
This will kill gatcha or something
>>724420450this kills TF2 too
>>724420487Good
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_25_831>7 months ago>still not implemented
>>724420487steam already uses real world money as currency
>>724420323This is all common sense and should have been the law from the beginning. Honest business does not need to obfuscate the cost of anything.I would also add that probabilities need to be opened up, if there's a 1% chance to get an SSR by buying a $1 roll you should explain clearly that the SSR will cost $100 on average and may cost way more.
>>724420323That's great. Now can we stop cat fighting with Russia so I can actually afford gay MTX?
>>724421043Yes, but they also want MTXs to be refundable.I guess they kinda are refundable in Valves games since you can refund a key for example before you use it, but I don't think the EU will deem that as enough.
>>724420450This goes beyond mobile games pretty much every multiplayer game is at risk.Drumpf and Winnie are going to murder the EU over this.
>>724421578>Yes, but they also want MTXs to be refundable.where is that stated? the image just says the real money cost should not be obfuscated behind different in-game currencies
>>724420450They will simply ban their games in the EU
I think the next thing they should force them to do is that if a service like PSN or Xbox Live perma bans you they must be required to fully refund you ever cent you paid on their service on that account.
>>724420323>drop 10k in video game>20 years later>NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER >get banned>have to get refunded 16klmao free money.
>>724423674only if it's for wrongthink or typing/saying some fotm no-no word; these faggots got waaay too trigger happy to permaban for this kind of "offenses". cheating losers of any kind can and should get fucked though
>>724420863It's a set of guidelines clarifying how enforcement will take place based on already existing legislation, moving forward.That means there is nothing new to implement in law. The law is already there. Always has been.It's basically a warning to gacha scum-suckers to shape up 'or else,' because the EU is about to get actually serious about it.
>>724423047NTA, but--https://commission.europa.eu/document/8af13e88-6540-436c-b137-9853e7fe866a_enRead key principle #5.Ingame currencies count as a digital service, not as digital content. And digital services are not subject to the waiver possibility on the right of withdrawal as exists strictly only for digital content. This means any purchase of ingame currency and inter alia anything purchased via said ingame currency can always, irrevocably by any form of contract, be backed out from within 14 days.
>>724423674With the Digital Services Act in mind, bans already have to be proportional to the offense.Which means the colloquial case of "say word" may at most result in preventing your account from any further interaction with ingame chat or voice. Legally speaking, banning you from the online component of the game COMPLETELY is already a transgression and something you are required to be able to contest in either arbitration or before a court. (And you'd probably win in either case. Because arbitration is legally required and vetted to be impartial in the EU. Arbitration courts that end up being discovered to have ties that make them biased can end up being fined into oblivion by the state.)
>>724423520The EU has already banned Fortnite and Roblox for people under 16 and to some extent "other gaming platforms" so it's kinda what they want. Gaming doesn't have a very bright future right now, as it's being lumped in, with social media, as one of the things blamed for "poor behavior in youth" relating to lack of action towards their beloved 2030 goals about gender equality and zero crime and better environmentalism etc.
>>724423893In Canada the C63 bill and soon C9 will make it a life in prison offense to make "hatespeech".
>>724424363With regards to refunds, if I understand the document correctly, it sounds like that with a new extra disclaimer saying "this is final", you can immediately charge for a micro transaction (provided that it can be used or played immediately) using actual cash, but that anything that involves purchasing any in game currency is subject to a 14 day withdrawal period?
>>724424975It's really just a matter of time until most first world countries have those laws. The best thing you can really do is just withdraw into a shell.
>>724424975in all honesty, if you're homeless it seems like it'd actually be pretty good outcome by comparison.
>>724420323>not respecting the recommendations contained in this document cannot be automatically considered unlawful. The present document does therefore by no means bind the national authorities or the European Commission>Published 21 March 2025
>>724425014Technically - yes.But you then still have to have individual consent to waive the right of withdrawal on each and every individual ingame purchase, since they then become individual real distance purchases as in a legally defined sales contract. (Which incidentally opens up a fucking ton of other legal requirements on the publisher's ass as well.)
>>724425535Duh? It's a document explaining how the Commission and joint Union-wide authority interpret the existing laws within the EU and how they apply to MTX, and how they will endeavour to enforce compliance through administrative fines moving forward.Same type of fines handed out for GDPR violations, DSA violations, DMA violations, etc. etc.And those have always been able to be contested before a court, because it's for the courts to decide if the interpretation under which the fine was issued - is actually correct.Therefore nothing in such guidelines can EVER directly indicate unlawfulness.
>>724425450>say word>food and housing subsidized
>>724424975grim
>>724420323The EU is weird, they'll do this, and then immediately turn around and greenlight the most dystopian shit you've ever heard of.
>>724428854They just like being controlling. Good outcomes are entirely coincidental.
>>724428854for example?
>>724429181Pushing for more surveillance and digital IDs
>>724424975a lot of shitskins and leftists are going to prison for life for all the hate against white people that they spew
A rarity to see, adult games have less regulation then mainstream games under this.
>>724420323>price must be displayed in full>without accounting for quantity discounts or promotional offersThis is a very good note on par with Chyna of all people forcing companies to disclose their real gacha and lootbox odds ages ago in a world first. It's already easy to hide the real cost behind fake currencies, and fake currency bundle deals distort the price even further when $100 currency bundles come into play.
>>724420450You can already do chargebacks on gacha games, and inevitably get banned from them doing so.
>>724429247I think you are getting confused by the recent UK laws.
>>724420323>implying gachas have anyway of getting bannednot like theres global chats in those or people playing in parties
>>724429396Hatespeech is so arbitrarily defined that it'll only be hatespeech when they want to make an example of someone publicly.
>>724420450holy fuck based EU
>>724420323does this mean I can get my money back from my steam wallet now
>>724429760obviouslythey'll just say white isn't a race so you can't be racist against thembut of course black is a race somehow
>>724420323Valvesisters.... is it over?
>>724429247That's the UK on both counts. Not the EU.Over in the EU, its proponents had to shelve the Chat Control proposal once again (4th or 5th time) because there was too much opposition against it from the Union and they did not dare risk an unfavorable vote.And the EU's idea of a 'digital ID' is that of a personally controlled claims vault which is double-blind, i.e. shares only the minimal amount of data after user authorization without the party requesting the verification knowing who you are and without your government knowing who you're authenticating to. Basically; the government service passes a token to you that verifies a simply binary question such as "is user of legal age?" and you hand it back out to the requesting party. The requesting party does *not* need to contact any government systems to pass them that token back to verify it. They just need the government's public key to perform the verification that the token is legit.This is the absolute most privacy-minded way to do any kind of granular online authorization. And mind you - recent guidance documents put out by the EU Commision literally state that any age verification systems that use any kind of personal data rather than such double-blind claims verification are to be deemed disproportional (and thus under the GDPR *illegal*).
>>724420323I hope the EU rapes all the gachaslop devs over "micro" transactions
>>724430217>more surveillance and digital ID is... LE GOOD ACKSHUALLEEThe most privacy minded way is to not do it at all, foot-in-doorfag
>>724429412You should see the bit where the EU Commission covertly declared all loot boxes, season passes, daily login rewards and artificial cooldown timers that can be lifted via MTX as illegal to be offered to any citizen that might reasonably be a minor.
>>724425450The sinister part is that most of the sentences mostly retain to paying a fine. So the homeless are screwed as they can technically get off by doing a few months in slammer, but still accumulate material debt for saying shit like "Double Nigger" to someone on the street or just rambling about jews in general.
>>724420323This is the funniest shit ever. So because you could also earn a skin from gameplay, companies still have to assign a monetary value to that skin even if it would be free. The company then also needs to provide a way for you to cash out said "free" skin, so you get the monetary value.This is so fucking stupid. Any current game like this is now a casino LMAO
>>724430417>season passesApologies: *battle* passes.Typed a bit too fast there.
>>724429412>can't sell to anyone under 18>less regulation when it even says whales are a mentally ill group so even over 18 will come with restrictionsEhhh
>>724430506No. You basically read all of it wrong.Congratulations. You're a retard.
>>724429412>so called 'whales'lollmfao
>>724430556Correct. Basically, this is tantamount to starting to enforce similar restrictions as are on actual gambling. Meaning monitoring of clientele for expenditure ceilings, etc. and if necessary cutting them off and pointing them towards addiction rehab.
>>724420450This means gacha will be soley a non-European phenomenon since they are still too profitable to be killed entirely. At best other places may hope their government is as sane as the EU is about slot machines.
>>724420323I hate the EU for putting a bunch of regulations on my country making me pay thousands of eurobucks to make renovations on my house to "le save the envirnment" but thank god they're making it slightly harder for greedy corporations to scam retards with video games.
>>724430217I actually hope we get something secure for proving websites that you are an adult so 4chan can actually enforce the rule of having to be 18+ years old to post. Might even really cripple bots too
>>724430793You already have something somewhat secure, it's called performing a bank payment. Too bad we can't force banks to handle that service even on sites they don't wanna support... Huh.
>>724420323Good. Being transparent about prices without hiding them behind 300 systems of gems designed to confuse and make users lose the value of currency.
>>724430367>The most X way to do Y is not to do YContradictio in terminis.You cannot be doing Y if you are not doing Y.
>>724430882A bank payment of 0 money, just to confirm that you can do it, that is. Forgot to mention that.
>>724430946Yeah, that's the fucking point retardius maximus
>>724430882That requires me to give 4chan my banking details. I'd rather prove it without giving 4chan or the government any info on who I am and what site I'm accessing
>>724429412Sounds like:Fifa/Overwatch/etc - significant restrictions because children play itPEGI 18 AAA titles without lootboxes - few restrictions because aimed at adults18+ Gacha or anything else with loot boxes - significant restrictions because of mentally ill "so called whales"
>>724430998You do know that the whole point is no traceable personal data is actually being shared in any way right?
>>724430793Fuck off, if the chilluns get trauma from coming here, that's the fault of their parents for giving them unsupervised internet access. Maybe bring the government hammer down on parental neglect for a fucking change.
>>724431342They could still access the website, just not post
>>724430882>Too bad we can't force banks to handle that service even on sites they don't wanna support... Huh.Afaik PSD2 already contains clauses which forbid banks and other financial institutions from selectively refusing to process otherwise legal SEPA transactions.
>>724431328>let me boil you stupid chud frogFuck off and die
>>724430709Gacha confirmed third-world.
>>724431415> I don't know how the technology works, so I'm going to posture and hope no-one notices what a sad little rejecct I am.That's you.
>>724431564Scroll back to what I said before. It is a foot in the door, if you believe they won't eventually take it further, you are dangerously naive or a fucking shill for this shit.
>>724420323Reminder that the EU is set back significantly and pretty much has no hope of catching up in AI due to regulations. This is after they already were set back after a botched attempt to solve the recession and all the shit during the lockdown period on top of it. They even banned memes years ago. Europeans are dying because the EU is obsessed with regulating.
>>724420450that's the point
>>724431652If you believe digital ID isn't coming in one form or another within the next few years, you are dangerously naive
>>724431912So what you are saying is Europe won't be affected when the massive AI bubble bursts
>>724430217>That's the UK on both counts. Not the EU.Completely false. The EU started going into the mass surveillance direction since 2015, where the first drafts were made. The earliest drafts included proposals to make nicknames illegal, so you would be forced to use your real name on Steam & Co after an ID verification, which is where the whole eID thing even came from. That fell into the water at first so they pursued it from another angle, called the DSA, which makes hate speech a crime and mandates platforms to actively pursue it even if the supposed "hate speech" is in private spaces. At the same time ISPs in the union were mandated to build an infrastructure that would allow the ability to save and gather information on everything going through the exchange nodes in the EU. Their next mandate includes full decryption of all HTTPS traffic by 2030 and storage of that data, which they are currently argueing whenever it is allowed to be indiscriminate or not (if a judge orders it, they can already do this for individuals). They have already fought for the right to use their new QWACS, which are "super certificates" that firefox, chrome, safari and edge are already legally required to accept, which will replace any SSL certificate on a website with their own and the browser is required to not inform the user that this is happening and must obfuscate that the SSL connection is using the EUs own certificates.We're living in a time where it has become a "yearly tradition" in the EU to run union wide mass arrests for people and seizure of their property because they called a politician "you're a dick".https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/09/pimmelgate-german-politician-police-raid/
How do I get a job in the EU government? I'll take half pay just so I can go help push laws that fuck over rich people and third worlders
>>724420450Holy based. Total gacha death
>>724420450>>724420487I wish
>>724431912But almost every single actual useful function of ai is made in eu. The rest of them is in china.Only thing US knows how to do is sell snakeoil and make an infinite money ouroboros based on stealing everything in the entire world.
>>724425708>Practices to avoid:>Denying consumers’ right to withdraw from a contract for the purchase of in-game virtual currency within 14 days for any in-game virtual currency that remains unusedBased on this, does the withdrawal right only apply to digital currency that wasn't used?
>>724420323for every good thing the EU does they do over 100 laws made to fuck you over.
>>724420323Hell fucking yeah
>>724431947Mask off moment
>>724431912Oh no not the heckin error filled slop whatever will they do.
The EU continuing to make the world worse for the rest of us
>>724420450damn that's horrible
>Give money>Game shuts down in a few years>Get money back because product no longer exists for meRight? Please?
>americans shitting on europe over digital id>meanwhile their cities are currently being filled by AI cameras that will track everyone
>>724433398Britain did that first.
>>724433459They don't have AI scanning the video feeds to track individuals across the whole city
>>724433459Britain isn't EU :^)
>>724432465NTA, but yes, in a previous segment it also specifies that the game must properly inform the player of which actions would constitute giving up the right of withdrawal, such as using the digital currency that they bought.As in, when buying digital currency, the prompt where you confirm the purchase as final must specify that you can withdraw your purchase and get a refund withing 14, but also specify that using the digital currency you bought constitutes giving up said right.
>>724420323that might be true but your pic says nothing about the topic
>>724420323EU saving vidya once again.
>>724420323That's entirely fine, companies can ban you from playing their game but they shouldn't profit from it.Ban some no lifer thats spent 10k? Give it all back, faggots.What, you're saying he got banned on purpose because he wanted to quit the game? Better change your policy if you wanna stay afloat then.
>>724420323Jagex on suicide watch
>>724420323based EU>>724420450Good.
>>724433358Stop Killing Games is trying to prevent step 2, which is going to EU parliament.
>>724431328Having data transmitted at all opens the door for security vulnerabilities, I'd rather not have to run that risk. For example, verification tokens could be used to deobfuscate internet discussion one day if a flaw is found in their implementation, something that by definition can't happen when no attempt at verification is made in the first place.
>>724433398I know they tried that with red light cameras once upon a time and there was enough pushback for some states out outlaw them, hopefully this will be the same.
>>724420323Why is the EU bad again>MUH MIGRANTSright what has the UK done about that since brexit?
>>724420323This WILL bring another industry collapse if implemented. Is that what you really want?
>>724439706Funny thing about UK is that they traded eastern europeans for jeets.
>>724439706>right what has the UK done about that since brexit?Enacting vengeance on their plebs for daring to vote against the shallow interests of the elite.
>>724439983Yes.
>>724439983yes
>>724420450No it won't. Just like when steam offered refunds most people won't refund even if they get scammed.
>>724439983No they're getting off too easy, they should all go to jail before I'm satisfied.
>>724424975Every crown colony becoming some form of totalitarian shithole where speech is punished worse than rape seems to make me realize the importance of having nationalist parties even if they are kind of fucking stupid at times. Why are almost all of the ones who do it universally liberals?
>>724425078>It's really just a matter of time until most first world countries have those laws. The best thing you can really do is just withdraw into a shell.Nah, America seems to be avoiding it thanks to the fact they're paranoid as fuck about their government and shame culture around Covid didn't have much of an effect on them.
>>724431328>metadata does not exist
>>724420323Call me when it's a relevant market, like asia or the US. Gachas are just gonna look at this and go "well we don't officially serve the EU so it's your problem" while still letting people download the game in those regions. Basically nothing changes. Same thing happened with other shit.
