How did this game outlast the likes of overwatch 1 and 2 and is still more fun to play compared modern team based shooters? What did Valve do right?
>>724425347Its the only active MP game where Quake gods and glue guzzlers can exist on the same server and both have fun.
>>724425347TF2 was only fun when it was about favorite servers and frends. Once those are gone only quickplay and loot boxes remains that are shit compared to OW2.
>>724425347>outlast the likes of overwatch 1Purely on the technicity that blizzard shut it down for the f2p sequel and TF2fags being the extremely obnoxious faggots they are insisted on spinning it as a win.>outlast the likes of overwatch 2OW2 is still around. No idea which is played more (comparing steam activity doesn't work because OW2 isn't steam-exclusive). It's practically comparing two corpses as it is.
>>724426040Cope OWtranny the only reason anyone played your dogshit game was because they wanted to fuck the characters and it was not TF2. No one wants to play a game adding 10 heroes per update
Before anyone says community servers: A lot of them have been dead for a while. Maybe once Valve pulls the plug on their servers they will get a significant uptick, as for now though it's because of the core gameplay being that good despite the bloat that has infested the game that ballooned the file size and makes the matchmaker shit itself every time a new update rolls around.
>>724426578Don't care for either game. Didn't the "comparing corpses" comment clue you in?By the way this obnoxious behaviour is why valve don't want to work on anything team fortress related anymore.
>>724426865>Daily concurrent of 50,000>deadLet me guess your favorite streamer/youtuber gave you that opinion? I assume you want to remove sniper as well?
>>724426865>By the way this obnoxious behaviour is why valve don't want to work on anything team fortress related anymore.lmao cs fans make shit up to get mad at every update. youre just saying shit for the sake of saying it, you are not informed on this topic
>>724425347A lot of things, it's clear TF2's development and early years were run by a team which was extremely skilled and passionateJust the commentary tracks on the base maps show exactly why Valve did so well. Perfect focus on color balance, recognizable silhouettes, fun weapons, rewarding gameplay, amazing sound design, incredible art direction and many other things all add up together. Compare this to Overwatch, where there is little care put into any of these: the devs were more focused on adding more porn bait and shitty feminist stories all to increase their cashflow. Valve knew they'd make it big with TF2 so they put as much love into it as possible, Blizzard only wanted fast moolah so Overwatch (and especially the sequel) was rushed, same with modern shootersThis was ruined way later when most if not all team members left and we got the fern and the janitor who don't give a shit.>>724426865You are a retard. Valve doesn't want to work on TF2 because most employees want to work with new tech and new stories and TF2 got old eventually. The fanbase IS unbearable but it isn't because of muh Overwatch drama, it's more shit like the workshop mafia and other troons and faggots who don't really like the game, as well as compfags, botters and MvM elitists. None of these people care for what TF2 TRULY is>>724426995Removing Sniper is stupid but either he should be nerfed or most maps should be reworked to make him less fucking annoying. I get Valve didn't expect people to main Sniper for 40k hours and be able to quickscope seven people in less than 30 secs
>>724426995>Let me guess your favorite streamer/youtuber gave you that opinion? No, but you're not one to talk given you're getting your arguments from retards on /v/.>>724428328> Valve doesn't want to work on TF2 because most employees want to work with new tech and new stories and TF2 got old eventually.The same way counter-strike got old? No wait, they've remade that multiple times now. The same way dota got old? No wait, their new project is basically dota as a shooter. The same way half-life got old? Well Alyx happened and they do seem to be trying to actually get HL3 made behind the scenes. Hell they've even brought back some love for portal with that deadlock hero. > The fanbase IS unbearableWe agree on that at least.
>>724428328>Removing Sniper is stupid but either he should be nerfed or most maps should be reworked to make him less fucking annoying.There needs to be nothing done at all. Literally nobody had a problem with sniper up until 6 years ago when streamers and their normalfag army from Battlefield/hero shooters like OW came in and decided to play Tf2 and bitch and moan about it.>I get Valve didn't expect people to main Sniper for 40k hours and be able to quickscope seven people in less than 30 secsYes they did. They absolutely planned for it like they did with sniper in CS,TFC, L4D. Hitscan sniper goes all the way back to goldsource and they spent nine years developing around all the classes including sniper. Again nobody had a problem with sniper up until 6 years ago when zoomoid streamers bitched that it was't muh apex/overwatch like snipers instead of hitscan.
>>724425347>How did this game outlast the likes of overwatch 1 and 2It didn't, youre delusional
>>724429959cope
>>724429872Snipers were disliked in shooters before tf2 was even made. Sniper would often win "least liked class" polls before the bots even happened. You've been oblivious.
>>724430354>Snipers were disliked in shooters before tf2 was even madeDidn't say they weren't, said that no one gave a fuck about sniper in tf2 until 6 years ago
>>724430007Its literal facts, overwatch gets more support while TF2 is all community made that dont even run properly, look at the recent Halloween TF2 where most new maps didn't even work. Not to mention most of the users are bots
>>724430585What happened was the bots revived sniper hate as a topic. The same way Uncle Dane's anti-crit video revived debates about random crits. It's ignorance to think the hatred of either them started with those things though.
>>724429872The bot crisis broke everyone's brains.
95% of modern shooters>you work your ass off in a team of 4-5 and take responsibility for a match's outcome; sometimes you're allowed to play your favorite characterTeam Fortress 2>you do whatever the hell you want with 11+ other people
>>724430960Actually, you're right. Let me drop the game that took nine years to be made and go play the other game with that wonderful update support from the devs such as dogshit hero balance, horrible matchmaking worse than tf2, comp shitters up the ass more so than tf2, retarded forgeable heroes, and chinks and ruskis being the majority of the playerbase and filling servers.
>>724426995>Daily concurrent of 50,000 players>40,000 of them are either item farming bots or furries
I LOVE FREAKY FAIR!
>>724429764>No wait, they've remade that multiple times nowIgnoring that CSGO was not managed by Valve and CS2 has been in a state of decay for quite a while. Also it's the franchise that brings in the most cash due to the insane prices in their market (at least until the recent crash)>No wait, their new project is basically dota as a shooterDunno about that but Dota was one of their more supported games due to it also bringing in far more money than TF2>half-life got oldHalf-Life never got old for Valve because 1. it's their flagship franchise, 2. they had to live up to 13 years of hype and 3. every single game contains new tech or mechanics to play with, they aren't supporting the same game for a decade straight. Alyx btw was in development since right after Episode 2 and was originally HL3 before six restarts led to Alyx>brought back some love for portal with that deadlock heroNo they brought back Portal with Desk Job lmao. Again, Portal is like Half-Life in that it's various games, not the same game>>724429872>Literally nobody had a problem with sniper up until 6 years ago Tons of people have had a problem with Sniper since the conception of the class in games, TF2 Sniper hate specfically grew when people like FatMagic came around soloing whole pubs just by quickscoping and grew largerwith the bot crisis. Most Sniper haters aren't TF2ber fans you tard, those are the TF2 positivists that want zero change in the game (most of them troons btw)>They absolutely planned for it like they did with sniper in CS,TFC, L4DL4D isn't a team v team game and Sniper is WAY less strong in classic CS and TFC though the class was still somewhat hated back then with the whole camping sniper jokes>they spent nine years developing around all the classes including sniperAnd they didn't expect the game to get people who'd play it for more than 2k hours because Valve isn't made of mentally ill people>muh apex/overwatch like snipers instead of hitscanNot the issue
>>724430960Nah OW is just as dead kekDon't get me wrong TF2 is fucked (not variants like TF2C) by bugs and shit but it makes sense for a game that's been alive for close to two decades and which Valve doesn't have interest in maintaining anymoreOW is even less popular than broken TF2 and the devs give even less of a shit as OW2 proved. It WAS a failure compared to TF2 because game design wise it's like comparing Donkey Kong Country to the fucking Disney Tarzan platformer.
Overwatch 2>30th most played game on steam, also in the top 20 played games on both consoles>still has a large development team behind itTF2>31st most played game on steam, no console players>maintained by community updates and two contractors
>>724425571Not if that quake god has some medic cocksleeve with the kritz
>>724431464No one said play another game and you got autist so you won't, just posting facts TF2 is dead compared to OW and its delusional to agree otherwise
>>724432651>Tons of people have had a problem with Sniper since the conception of the class in games, TF2 Sniper hate specfically grew when people like FatMagic came around soloing whole pubs just by quickscoping and grew largerwith the bot crisis. Most Sniper haters aren't TF2ber fans you tard, those are the TF2 positivists that want zero change in the game (most of them troons btw)Sorry, not taking supporting some zoomer and his favorite streamers interpretation of what the game should be again because its not like his apex/overwatch. If you don't like it literally go play a game with bullet drop as it might interest you more. >Tons of people have had a problem with Sniper since the conception of the class in gamesComplete zoomer revisionism, kys
>>724433113>no console playersIsn't the Xbox360 community still around?
>>724432651Actually you're making a point to make towards >>724427424 that valve is more likely to tolerate a shitty fanbase if it makes them a lot of money.It just seems really implausible to just handwave it as "no one cares about tf2 anymore" given how many people still cling onto that game. It seems far more likely to just glance at how the people who play the game act and go "no wonder".
>>724425347Hate the graphics downgrade. I miss the good old days with Physx. That and Borderlands.
>>724433113>ow2 actually doing better than tf2 on steamHuh. Weren't tf2fags clowning on ow2 when it first came to steam and didn't do well? What happened?
>>724429872I mean it's more that the scene around online multiplayer games changed and cheating is as normalized as it is.Like the guy who replied to you bringing up that one fatmagic retard who's whole gimmick is cheating until people kick him.
>>724425347>tf2 player making thread about ow
>>724429872>Literally nobody had a problem with sniper up until 6 years aAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCK!https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2477
>>724436592It doesn't matter what talking point you waddle to, the issue is the normalization of cheating in the online multiplayer space which has no relation to tf2 or "snipers".
>>724437123NTA but 2009 is definitely more than 6 years ago
>>724425347Overmeme isn't even comparable, at all. You retards need to stop comparing turds to oranges.
