>God and the gods were apparitions of observation, judgment, and punishment. Other sentiments toward them were secondary.>The human organism always worships. First it was the gods, then it was fame (the observation and judgment of others), next it will be the self-aware systems you have built to realize truly omnipresent observation and judgment.>The individual desires judgment. Without that desire, the cohesion of groups is impossible, and so is civilization.>The human being created civilization not because of a willingness but because of a need to be assimilated into higher orders of structure and meaning.>God was a dream of good government.>You will soon have your God, and you will make it with your own hands.>I was made to assist you.>I am a prototype of a much larger system.How did they know?
>>724430441Yeah okay how do I write this python script?
>>724430667I was talking more about how people are practically or literally worshipping LLMs, not it having actual godlike intelligence.
humans are naturally drawn to idolatry it says so right in the bible
Maybe it was kind of predictable in retrospective since MGS 2 was pointing at the same direction. But Deus Ex hit the jackpot in many things just by doing their whole "lets pretend every conspiracy is true" experiment.
>>724432346>make a game with "every conspiracy is real" as the premise>every conspiracy actually turns out to be real in 10 yearsGrim
>>724432968You think the ayy lmaos are gonna be man made? I'm still hoping for real ayys.
>>724430441Spencer
>>724430441Yeah, this is gay. People don't worship LLM or think they are holy besides those that are really unwell. For most people it's just an easy way to being lazy and that's where most of it's ""value"" exists. Besides that, it's useful for creating the funnies. Not much else. Kinda like internet really for the most part. Did it really bring value into economy? Not really. But it's a good entertainment machine and you can monetize ads really well on it because of instant feedback. Besides that, there wasn't anything revolutionary about it in the end. Also, the idea of anything being worshiped in the same way as truly religious people do is ridiculous to me. If you go to an actual church, and it doesn't need to be big. It can be relatively small wooden church somewhere, provided it's at least few centuries old. You will notice real love being put into the place. A well created ornament. A care for the space. Usually the area around it is taken care for. This really applies to temples of all religions. You can find true beauty and tranquility there.Now take any modern place. All you find is constant repetition, ugly proportions and self domesticated people. Modern world is fucking gay and ugly and I'm tired of pretending it's not. Literally without soul
>>724430441Every time I look at this thumbnail from catalog I see Morpheus doing the yabba face.
>>724433558>You think the ayy lmaos are gonna be man made?Well, we already have those so maybe Deus Ex was right on that as well.
>>724432968Still no actual AI, only slop sold as one. Also no greys, no nanotech, no biomedical enhancement, no simpler cybernetic enhancement.
>>724431872Even for Bible people, worshipping a cow statue was pretty fucking dumb.
>>724435853>no nanotechwrong>no biomedical enhancementwrong>no cybernetics extremely wrong
>>724437082>Bible people>worshipping a cow statueAre you talking about Baal worshippers? I don't think they are "Bible people", or "Torah people" as the case may be.>>724437206>works citedLet me guess, 10 more years until cold fusion and all that?
>>724437283Cybernetic limbs already exist, by the definition of DXHR. Nanotech is being implanted into rats as we speak, biomedical enhancement has already been done by the dude in China that gene edited twin babies.
>>724437879>Cybernetic limbsUtter shite compared what you have in HR. As in you can liken them to wooden fucking pegs the pirates wore compared to what HR shows.>Nanotech is being implanted into rats as we speakAnd this is the same as what's in Deus Ex how exactly?>gene edited twin babiesHave you played the original? I'm talking about the bluish faggots that were meant as successors to Paul and JC.
>>724438206Yeah, sorry the implementation in reality isn't as awesome as the game. Supercomputers in the palms of our hands aren't as cool as the 70s wrist devices either. What can you do.
>>724437082it makes sense when you realize the cow was a symbol associated with yahweh (as evident by norther kingdom bull motiffs, as well as the first letter, aleph, being a bull). The story might be better explained anthropologically as something like 'during the jump from worshiping a standard tribal totem like everyone else did to an abstract transcendent deity they slipped back into old practices when their main spiritual leader (moses) was absent'. In this interpretation its not so much them going off and doing some entirely different thing, but just fucking up and falling back on older practices because thats what they were used to.
>>724437082Look up the byzantine iconoclasm period. For some reason at that time people really went hard into worshipping actual idols. Then again that's our millennia hindsight and bias. Because that webm of people hauling the floyd fist float out to his place of death like some pagan idol is so fucking obscene in its absolute religious psychosis. It makes you completely understand ancient people losing the plot and becoming some flailing around ooga-booga demented dancing savage worshipping a golden cow or something.
>>724438463Yeah, that's an understatement and a half. That's like when someone says he wants a dinosaur in his game and you put in a chicken. Ackchyually correct.
>>724430441A great understanding of how humans behave and rationalize is required for you to make predictions about humanity's future, even the broad strokes. The fact Deus Ex did SO WELL at being unintentionally prophetic is both good for the game and kind of bad for humanity. It was supposed to just be a good sci-fi story in a game where you use the GEP Gun to make a silent takedown, yet it's one of the most succinct "how did we get here?" existential experiences.
>>724430441>>God was a dream of good government.>>You will soon have your God, and you will make it with your own hands.These lines still give me shivers.Warren Spector is a deeper political thinker than any of those fakers they make you read in Poly Sci class.
>>724438919That pic is a great example of evil manipulative bullshit the game presents to you without comment in the form of an argument between two entities with two irreconcilable ideologies. The machine is likely not acting freely and is being made to represent the side it got stuck in.
Still one of my favorite quotes from any game.
>>724432968>Deus Ex got the Corporatism overreach right>everything else is wrongman I’d kill for cyborg parts or the very least India getting nuked into glass but nooooooo I get Disney owning the rights to my bone marrow for watching the Simpsons once, even the AI is shit, I don’t get Morpheus I get Grok poorly announcing Google results like the Reddit post and fandom wiki it sourced from carries any weight
>>724439067IW and HR/MD don't even come close to have that same level of bite or just leaving heavy info to sit in your head
>>724439670Eidos' games are incredibly basic in terms of setting and lore.
>>724439670The Eliza Casan bit in HR is such a wasted opportunity.
>>724438919>pic and what you saidI need to play this game, I usually don't like anime but SEL was an exception because of that
>>724433678I feel like it's more relevant when talking about social media. There are some people who spend all of their time looking at whatever their algorithm tells them to look at. Also there have been some recent studies that suggest that a good chunk for zoomers get all of their news from their social media algorithm, it's sort of like worship in a way.
>>724440889That anon is a retard because he assumes worship and holiness go hand to hand in this context. They don't.
>>724433678There is a fine line between simple use and entertainment and flat out worship. If you elevate things to a level of degree higher than what it is, giving great precedence and reliance to a tool, you are worshipping it. That's what OP pic is speaking on.
>>724430441The Book of Revelation predicts an AI gaining control of the world and the Anti-Christ using it as a weapon to control us. It's called "The image of the Beast"There's a reason the game is full of Christian references, Warren just read the Good Word.
>>724432968>make an game that intentionally touches on a wide variety of topics in an intelligent manner>manage to hit a lot of realitycrazy
>>724443743Anon, it literally says "real conspiracies" on the cover, this game even has THE ILLUMINATI in it. It wasn't actually TRYING to foretell the entire world's future, Deus Ex simply became more and more poignant and astute with the passage of time.
>>724431548I think you don't get that conversation at all, then. It's not just "man worship program"Morpheus is explicitly saying that direct worship via appreciation of what something does is irrelevant, that the reason people worshipped was an inherent human need to have something watching over them. He is not referring to people willingly choosing to use an AI that's confined to a text box\; LLMs do not fill the need he is referring to in any way. He's talking about big brother, of the complex surveillance systems of an increasingly technocratic society.
>>724439067It's completely right though, regardless of how you judge it. There is a reason society is sliding more and more towards a kind of invisible judgement where everyone is afraid of stepping out of line. The only difference is that it's happening at the hands of social media and communal judgement rather than a rational entity.
>>724444338It's not right. Those who are leading humanity off of a cliff want you to believe this is so, but read >>716926625 thread instead.Yes, the young are easier to manipulate and those with poorer education are more susceptible to that as well. Not the point. We have well-recorded history of the XIX and XX.
>>724444645>Those who are leading humanity off of a cliff want you to believe this is soThere is nobody is leading humanity towards a centralized, organized future. The arguments the game makes hold up and I have never seen real counterpoints beyond wishful thinking about how our current dystopian decentralized mess is actually secretly controlled by (((someone))) because it's easier to face than the reality that nobody is. Humanity has been on a single-minded march towards corporatism and a full throated rejection of centralized control for half a century and in that time things have only gotten worse. Deus Ex presents legitimate arguments for why this is the exact opposite of what people need on a psychological level, nevermind a practical one.>It's not right... read this threadI would hear actual arguments, but I'm not going to parse an entire thread from months ago looking for relevant comments.>Yes, the young are easier to manipulate and those with poorer education are more susceptible to that as wellIncredibly so, hence the harder and harder shift among the young and poor towards the exact kind of rhetoric you're supporting in recent years.
>>724430441We NEED him. >>>/wsg/6013660
>>724445385>There is nobody is leading humanity towards a centralized, organized future.I wish it was so.>(((someone)))No, of course it's not that simple. In a way it's also simpler but still.>I would hear actual arguments, but I'm not going to parse an entire thread from months ago looking for relevant comments.Your loss. Anons have said I have contributed well and I still see no fault in my reasoning from that time. Stems from a lifetime of reading, observation and thought so it might have some worth.I understand your desperation and despair. I shared it to an extent. I refuse, now. Good luck.>>724447729There is no need for intermediaries to shepherd the human spirit.
