I've finally played all of the (mainline) Sonic games for the first time. And uhh....Most of them suck.It's not that Sonic was NEVER good, it's that Sonic was good for, like, four games (at most), and everything afterward became gradually worse and worse until the ratio between good and bad games tipped the scale.The only objectively good Sonic games across the board are the Genesis trilogy, Adventure 1, and maybe Unleashed. The rest range from average to genuine dogshit.Nights into Dreams mogs the entire franchise anyway-
No u
>>724434684You clearly didn't play it
>>724434865I did. It was shit.
>>724434865LMAO THAT GAME WAS AWFUL
Yes, we've been telling them that for years, but people who love stuff like Sonic Heroes because "all the characters are in it", have no idea what video games are.
>>724435085Heroes is a weird one where you can do a single team sonic run and it's pretty good, but obviously you are INTENDED to do all 4 and two of the last 3 suck dick. Honestly even team dark is fucking annoying.
>>724434865>one of the ugliest games in the whole series (only rivald by 06 and Frontiers)>embarrassing dialog that only autistic reddit migrants like because it's "edgekino" >just...The stupidest story I've ever experienced>running on Heroes's engine (plays and feels terrible)>mediocre level designMan, nobody abuses history revisionism quite like Sonicniggers.
>>724435000>>724435045I think you meant kinohttps://youtu.be/JV2XzfuVtQg?si=lXEq0Ozqs6XTcah5
Sonic board, chuddie
>>724434865>they hated him because he spoke the truth
Even as a kid I found myself confused as to why it felt like Sonic never seemed to stick with a consistent formula quite like Mario
>>724434865Out of all the games Sonicfags glaze, they always choose the shittiest ones.
>>724435341>IT HAZ A GUD OST AN SHEEIT DOEOkay. And? Most video games have great music. Doesn't make the game any less shitty.
>>724435508I think the approach can lead to an occasional fun game like, say, unleashed or generations (generations is a bit of a stretch when it's when they started actually sticking with the boost formula). The issue is outside those very rare games it feels like they just try shit to see if it sticks, and if it's good but some parts get critically panned, they just trash the entire concept after 1-2 games.
>>724435508I think in terms of Sonic's gameplay specifically, they're had something with Adventure 1. It wasn't necessarily perfect, or even consistently good, but if they had kept going with that sort of level design, I think Sonic would be in a much better position.
>>724434684I've always held the opinion Sonic fans like the idea of him more than the actual games he's in. He's kind of like Goku where he's cool on principle and very accessible as a character but the ratio of people who like the character vs the media the character is from is massively outweighed.
>>724435562this is the part where 00's era Sonic fans show that they don't really get what games are and just like music (or didn't even play the game and just watched Sonic X).People with taste know that Sonic was basically a thing in the 90's, which then rapidly dropped the ball and never really recovered, apart from the occasional "fine" game like Generations or Rush or whatever.
>>724435332Shadow 05 aged like fine wine
>>724435879There's no game called Shadow 05.
>>724435739Yeah but people complained about the weaker character playthroughs like big/Amy in 1 and mech/emerald hunt in 2 so they just dumped it for heroes concept which also got dumped after one game.
I liked the 2D gamesI doubt I'd like the Adventure games in current year, but Chao Garden was a hell of a drug back then and it was fun going fast when the game let you. Heroes sucked and I haven't played any 3D games after it.
>>724435936You can't confuse it with shadow 2 so you say the year now
>>724434684The Advanced series was pretty good alongside Rush.
>>724436074Rush introduced boost shit to the series I will never forgive it
>>724436074I'd say I only enjoy adv 2 and rush adventure out of them
>>724435769>I've always held the opinion Sonic fans like the idea of him more than the actual games he's in.100% this. Sonic is conceptually and visually very cool. The world of Sonic the hedgehog is also incredibly accessible (hence why a lot of autists love the series). There's a sort of ADHD appeal to a franchise like this; fast moving technicolor furries quipping and acting snarky is a quick way to attract a retard.
>>724434865I kneel...
>>724436216>There's a sort of ADHD appeal to a franchise like this; fast moving technicolor furries quipping and acting snarky is a quick way to attract a retard.This is precisely why Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog is my favorite version of Sonic.
>>724436216He's not cool anymore though he's a stupid jock just like every protagonist ever
>>724435332Or maybe theyre disctinct people or changed opinions over time
>>724435085Ok and
>>724435332I tried playing Shadow again out of nostalgia and the game is just flat out bad. The fact that people try to say Shadow and 06 are actually underappreciated gems now baffles me to no end.
>>724436358>Younger generations are becoming more and more retarded, and thus, their tastes degradeSounds logical to me, ESL.
>>724435845Yeah but consider this, Sonic 3 may be a better game, but i wont care cause i enjoy Shadow 05 more :).
>>724436358you mean they aggressively insist on liking bad things they liked when they were 10, and shout at you until you stop disagreeing.People who like good games have just fucked off from Sonic discourse at this point. It's not worth it. There are other good platformers you can play, anyway.
>>724434684Skill Issue
>>724436440and nothing. That was a concise point.
This bibba didn't play Mania, the actual best Sonic game
>>724436790Yeah, like Sonic X Shadow Generations available on consoles & PC!
>>724436764you like the soundtrack, not the game.
>>724436901Generations is one of the good ones, yes. That's not the one you like.
>>724435439NOPE /v/ is /MarioChadio/
>>724436629This but Adventure 2 and Heroes
>>724434865>Shitdow fags have even lower standards than the average sonicfags Grim but not surprised.
>>724436907>You can only truly enjoy a game if you play it on mute
>>724434684I have a tinfoil hat theory on this.Super mario bros was a game about the mind mario, you naturally learn how to control mario, how to simulate mario with your head, and predict what mario will do. This is where the fun of mario comes from.Very few companies understood this and did shit clones.But a programmer at SEGA did,and he expanded on that, he made sonic have a more complex physics engine, so the mind sonic is even more fun to master.However, to stop clones from stealing it's glory, he asked the sega marketing to create a trap, to market it as GOTTA GO FAST! to hide the true thing that makes Sonic good.And it worked, we got a shitload of "MASCOT GO FAST" games that completely missed the point.But as it happens when you strap a shotgun to your door, you end up getting shot yourself.
>>724437039Even at the time I kind of thought Adventure 1 and 2 were bad. I still liked them, but I could kind of tell. I could tell that Sonic 3 was in a whole other league. If even me as a dumbass child still being wowed by my first taste of 6th gen games could feel the difference there, what does that say?
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>>724434684>Nights into Dreams mogs the entire franchise anywayNights is on the lower end of Sonic Teams quality at that time and suffers a few issues for being their first 3D game, it lacks content, it doesn't feel that great to control, boss fights suck, and it's overall pretty repetitive. Most Sonic games are better, Ristar is better, PSO is better, even Billy Hatcher is better. Most people have never played Nights so it leaves the handful of obsessive autists who circlejerk it to go unchallenged, half of which probably never played it themselves either. The best it has going for it is the music/visual style which Sonic Team used to almost always excel at.
Since we're all here, I might as well shit on Crossworlds.Crossworlds is a mediocre kart racer that only became popular here after it was shilled a fuck ton (hey, just like Fromsoftgoyslop and Expedition 33-I mean uhh, errrm I said nothing). Nobody's ever cared about the crappy sonic racing games before. The only reason they do now is because, for one, it's only slightly better when compared to Mario Kart World (a very low bar to begin with), and because Sega whore'd the Sonic IP out in order to add a bunch of Reddit-tier Nickelodeon characters only sad Mellenials and low functioning autistic people care about (oh, and TrannyMiku/Joker from Normiesona 5 is in the game too, I guess).
>>724437078This, but unironically.
Advance 1 and Triple Trouble are the best games
>>724437251the speed thing happened because going fast was the one advantage that Sega had over the SNES, so they would put money shots of Sonic going fast through a tube or something in their trailers.I think the original original proof of concept for Sonic was some kind of pinball game. "Speed" just sells better as a thing than "slopes". Sonic 1 is the slopes platformer.
>>724434865I remember when this was near universally shit on, but now all the kids who started on this game finally grew up and it's glazed so hard that anyone who dares call out the bullshit in this game gets beaten back in line with the new consensus at least the multiplayer mode was dumb fun for a bit
>>724437396>People relentlessly shit on MKW for being $80, which was frankly warranted.>Crossworlds launches at $70 with a $30 day one season pass.>Nobody makes a peep about it. Also I genuinely feel that the retarded modern Miku fans were the main reason the game was so popular at launch. After the festival the game died off hard.
>>724437646Indeed.But why sega themselves don't understand sonic?
>>724437640>Triple TroubleThe 16 bit remake, yes.
>>724437640Incredibly based.
>>724437665I'll go even further and say the Sonic Crossworlds generals are paid Sega threads filled with paid shill posts.
>>724434865Shadow did more damage to the brand than 06 ever did
>>724438212Cope. Crossworlds sold 2.3 million
>>724438348>Shadow= people think the story is retarded and the gameplay is bland >06= puts the series on life support because literally the only good thing about it was the music Sonicfags have a terrible case of historical revisionism
>>724437665$80 for a fucking Mario kart game is terrible. You know there's going to be DLC after the shit they did with 8, 8 deluxe and tour
>>724435341>si=
>>724438356>Crossworlds sold 2.3 millionSo far all I can see is that it sold a bit over a million copies. And considering that the game is on damn near every platform, that's surprisingly low.
>>724438420>puts the series on life supportBoth put the franchise in life support because both sold like shit, yes Shadowfag you are also the reason the franchise sucks
>>724435508It is literally Iizuka's (the head of Sonic Team) fault.
>>724438356>guys, COD Modern Warfare: Tickel My Bum - Free Anal Rape Edition made 400 Gazillion dollars, that means the game is objectively good!!!!
>>724438587Shadow sold well
>>724438612Shadow sold over 2 million while 06 could barely break half a million. If you want to make the sales argument (which is gay) then that's even worse for you 06fags
>>724434684>Sonic (as a whole) suckskys
>>724438789.....Buddy......>remaster of a game everyone likes with a new side game slapped on it sold wellThat's not the win you think it is.
>>724438797Fantastic counter argument, Jamal.
>think OP is just being a stupid shit attention whore by going for the low-hanging fruit>but if I call him out on it then all the shitters now have ammo to say the Sonicfags never have perspective and defend the version of the franchise that doesn't actually exist
>>724438897Meant to reply to the guy under you
>>724439263Ah. Sorry.
Why do Crossworlds threads feel more sane than the average Sonic threads
>>724438792Wow both flops and below expectations, congratulations for being the best out of 2 bad choices
>>724439219>OP shits on sonic>Replies call him out>Now suddenly Sonicfags are the ones to blameIts getting repetitive
>>724434684For me, the appeal of sonic games is seeing the new render for Amy rose and jacking off till my balls hurt
None of you guys have tried to counterattack my claims in any substantial way other than saying "duh soundtrack is gud doe" and that the shitty game I played was actually good because uhhh it just is okay?!?
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>>724439456Because Crossworld threads are for fans (and shills) only. Nobody that doesn't already liked Crossworlds is going to step into a Crossworlds general.
>>724439474It sold as well as Shadow Gens and Crossworlds. Do you want to keep going and looking like a retard?
>>724440037Well that's why I haven't been going in but I'm also probably a bigger Sonic fan than some of the people in that thread at the same time.
>>724434865CHADow... the KING...
>>724437396Yeah Ring Racers is better.
>>724434865>CHADOW 05>CHADOW generationsYeah im thinking he won, and will continue to win.
>>724438612>Both put the franchise in life support because both sold like shit, yes Shadowfag you are also the reason the franchise suckswrong, shadow actually sold more than SA2 retard, not to mention btfo'ing colors/unleashed/generations (not pictured, 1.85m) with a fucking remake of itself
>>724434684I'm on your side if you agree that Adventure 2 sucks cockMania is the actual best classic-style Sonic game though, and Generations is better than Unleashed
>>724441393YEP, sasuga CHADOW. SHITver could never.
>>724439920it's because they don't understand what video games are, and don't even give a shit about going back and playing the original Sonics (because Shadow isn't in them).I told you that.
>>724441717only S3&K and CD were good, mania (a glorified fangame) is on their level
>>724434684>unleashed>objectively goodThis is how I know you're a liar
>>7244417922 is the actual best one though.And CD is questionable at best.
>>724434684Unleashed and generations are my favourites, including the project unleashed and unofficial unleashed portHaven't played the open world one yet but sonic always brings fresh things to the table, that's what I like. Even if sometimes the execution it's not the best
They're mostly good. Most of you guys just suck at them./thread
>>724437396I just want another sonic R game instead of fucking vehicles
>>724434865https://youtu.be/EguvUh3TvGU?si=dZzAOk_4I5MyEXO_
>>724441947>2 is the actual best one though.wins over s3&k>chemical plant>casino night>better special stageother than that, it is objectively worse in every other aspect.
>>724439920Generations and unleashed are top tier, one of the best of not THE best on rail racing game. You have to explore the map to find for the best route and perfect it as much as you can.
>>724442176Blue spheres is way more fun to play than the half pipe. The 3d effect on the half pipe was cool at the time, but it isn’t really fun to play the later levels.
>>724434865It would have been cringe kino if they made it using the Adventure 1 or 2 engine instead of the awfull Heroes one, hell shadow game is just a heroes dlc with all of the bugs and issues it brings being built under the heroes engine.
>>724434684https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g_9zEMI8nY
So what came of the Sonic Heroes remake rumor? Has that been mentioned in any way? I'd unironically play Heroes on a non-Heroes engine
>>724442176it's better paced. There's too much of 3. Some of those stages just go on and on, and are worse for it.
>>724434684Play my pic and youll realize that Sonic is kino>>724442116You play this shit too faggot
>>724435769I can confirm, but this problem seems to be majorly on Xitter, reason why i left the community there cause apart from being a toxic cesspool, it feels like they care more about presentation than how the games play itself
>>724441610>I'm on your side if you agree that Adventure 2 sucks cockIt kind of does. The only good thing about SA2 is the chao garden, and the Sonic/Shadow stages. The other 70% of the game is trash.
>>724442051>getting filterd>by Sonic games
>>724442383>It would have been cringe kino if they made it using the Adventure 1 or 2 engine instead of the awfull Heroes oneHeroes uses a lot of the same code from SA1/2, they just changed certain values (like acceleration) so the characters end up feeling like shit to move around. I guess the devs did it to compensate for the longer levels or to make speed characters feel even faster within their own "team" but it was a dumb idea either way, something Sonic Team is full of.
>>724442648>play a fangame, and you'll realize sonic isn't shitSo...Sonic is so shitty that fangames mog the official AAA games...?God. You're all just Pokémonfags.
>>724443210Anon I think youre missing the point. Its not about Sega its if Sonic is good.
>>724442550From what remember, the original rumor said it was only in its earliest stages of development (i.e., planning) and wasn't intended to be released until 2026/2027 anyway.If it does exist, I wouldn't be shocked if Sega sits on it so they have something to release alongside the next movie (like Shadow Gens) since both it and Heroes feature Metal Sonic as a prominent character.
I hate Sonic because the vlud fu ker has held Sega back for too long now.
>>724434684>Sonic was good for, like, four games (at most),this tbqh broski
>>724439456Because they're mostly filled by people who are actually playing the game, while typical Sonic threads (and the /vg/ general) are filled with mentally ill autists who only like Sonic for the characters and (somehow) story.
>>724437396>Nobody's ever cared about the crappy sonic racing games beforeBoth All-Stars Racing games were pretty well-received, anon, especially Transformed.
>>724434684>The only objectively good Sonic games across the board are the Genesis trilogy, Adventure 1, and maybe Unleashed. The rest range from average to genuine dogshit.close.the good ones are the genesis games, advance 1, rush 1, colors, generations and shadow generations
>>724437290shut the fuck up retard. NiGHTS is perfect. a true 10/10 game. Perfect controls, great visuals, amazing world and character design, one of the best soundtracks ever made and is infinitely replayable. Fuck yourself nigger.
>>724434865shadowfags need to be killed
>>724442932It's a lot more likely than you think. There's a weird phenomenon with Sonic games that just turns people's brain into goo. Saw a twitter clip of some troon playing Shadow Generations and he did the ground pound above a bottomless pit
>>724434865this game is assssss
>>724447142Sonic Hater here.I think the reason why so many people whiff when playing Sonic is because they go into the games expecting a need to think with haste. But for a lot of people, they're (ironically) thinking/performing actions far too quickly, causing them to perform like a retard.That's just my assumption though.
>>724447426You're pretty much right, getting the top ranks or times requires replaying stages a lot to figure out the fastest route, shortcuts, enemy and hazard placement, and doing a level well makes it look like you're just reacting to shit and you're not seeing the 500 previous attempts so people play like retards because most people think Sonic = go fast 24/7
>>724434865Delicious, delectable bait, sir
>>724442648>DiscordMiss me with that tranny shit faggot
>>724434684honestly you can say the same thing about most long running franchises. they usually peak within 10 years and then everything else is meandering
>>724435535There are no bad Sonic games.
>>724437396You smoking? Transformed was always wanked, Sonic R was always remembered, and Riders was lesser known but had dedicated fansIt's pretty much just TSR and Free Riders of the Sonic racers that people weren't big about. Crossworlds itself could do with some item balancing but it's pretty fun otherwise.
These two are not the same character. Discuss.
Shadow Gens is really good honestly.
>>724447019NiGHTS is tranny-core
OP, you can just say you want to execute autistic men and move on.
Did you play sonic rush? I’m not even a sonic fan but it’s a solid game
>>724434865I remember playing as a kid and actually enjoying it because I had absolutely no access to "mature" games. It was the only game where I could shoot cops with guns so I guess I got my kicks from that. But I'm almost 100% certain that if I play this game now I'll see how shit it is
>>724435508Mario kept getting criticized for this???????
>>724434684>here's your sonic game transition into 3d bro
>>724447019Correct, nights is arcade score kino.>>724451461Gamecube coded reply
If someone says they're a Sonic fan i immediately have a lower opinion of them and i start to question their intelligence
>>724453369>BEHOLD, I AM A THREE-DIMENSIONAL VIDEO GAME!
>>724438356>this game was shilled>COPE! THE SHILLING WORKED! Ok?
>>724434684Sonic was always troonslop
>>724438348It was a process. Heroes destroyed some of the goodwill from the Adventure games, Shadow took a giant shit on the series and made the franchise a joke, and 06 built up ungodly hype only to dump all over it. If that wasn't bad enough, Unleashed looked amazing then fucking put the werehog in 80% of the gameplay which nobody asked for.
>>724440516Nta but I unironically like durr more. I didn't play Kart back in the day but durr's adaptations of game levels actually feel like proper racing renditions of those without just turning them into racing levels that just look like those levels.
>>724442292>You have to explore the map to find for the best routeThe route exploration:
>>724450881>boost boost boost homing attack chain homing attack chain boost boost boostIt's legitimately the most brainless game in the franchise.
>>724454878Only after tendies got SA2B
Sonic Adventure 2 is kino
>>724434684Games I enjoyed:>1>2>3&K>CD (2011 Only)>Adventure>Adventure 2>Heroes>Advance 1 -3>Rush 1-3>Generations>Frontiers>Shadow GensGames I did not enjoy:>Shadow>06>Secret Rings>Black Knight>Colors>Unleashed (plays better ported to generations as a mod honestly)>Lost World>Boom (all of them)>ForcesFeels like a pretty even 50/50 to me. I just wait for reviews.
>>724457226This is the list of someone who watches games rather than plays them
>>724457091Its nintendo fans aren't
>>724457563This is bait
>>724441393God you guys can't even Google right holy shit>>724440264>Sold as well asShadow generations sold like shit. It's just a shitty Sonic generations with extra content so it is cheap to make. Crossworlds however is a flop no matter how hard /v/ tries to sell it
>>724451461>NiGHTS is tranny-coreWhy do you say that?Wait, don't tell me. It's because:>headcanons Twitter faggots made up because every Japanese children's game from the 90s NEEDS to have LGBTQIAUPDOWNLEFTRIGHT+ representation!NiGHTS is based, rajeet. Git gud.
>>724451848Incredibly late post, I know, but I'm autistic myself. Instead of Sonic, it was...Uhhh...Kingdom Hearts and Klonoa for me....>t. OP
>>724451848You should have been well aware that OP was autistic as soon as he said that he played all of the Sonic games
>>724439456They're pretty sane, but slowly getting filled with a lot of avatar fagging, softcore porn dumps and shizos. I have a bad feeling it'll basically become your average general soon.
>>724434684Most sonic games are awful because they focus on trial-and-error gameplay. You're expected to memorize stages. This is the opposite of how something like mario plays, where you're expected to intuit the game as you play and beat it on your first or second playthrough. Trial-and-error gameplay is also why it bred/attracted so many autists. Just like speedrunning.
>>724437761They bought their own fantasy, and misunderstood why Sonic works. Theysaid so much that Sonic is all about going fast, they they believed it.
>>724437661Dramatic pocket pussy
>>724434865So fucking... KINO!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7WsKu7WDK0&list=PLvNp0Boas7217wlSWYj25AHEB-oYZ_Q-T&index=52
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>>724434684The Rush games were pretty goodColors was at least decentGenerations was coolMania was good if you think the Genesis games were the same
>>724434684>Acknowledges Adventure 1's better than 2based and blue(blur)pilled
>>724438212If i was paid for every crossworlds thread, i would have post my recently bought rouge onahole figure for everyone in /v/ to see already, but i wasn't, we just like the game, man
>>724434684People who hate Sonic don't have souls. I pity you.
>>724435085>sonic heroesbest levels, artstyle and gameplay variety in the series. Bogged down only by overly long levels and extra campaigns not providing variation. Heroes is gameplay peak of the series.
>>724463723that's true for like... actually no, that's not even true, not a single game in the series has trial and error gameplay. The closest to it are Dimp's Advance/Rush titles, and only cause those mix insane air time with random bottomless pits. Not a single other sonic game ever does that.
>>724434684here's what I fucking hate about sonic. now as a young kid, I basically just played sonic 2 a lot because it's fun to move and go fast, but I never cared enough to try to complete the entire game. I thing oil whatever zone filtered me. anyway, what I don't understand about these fucking games is why collecting all 7 chaos emeralds is (without faiil) tied to the fucking DUMBEST and LEAST FUN FUCKING bonus stages ever?!?!?!?!?!?!?1
>>724467736I've since beat sonic 2, but I'll never get all the chaos emeralds in any of the games. maybe mania with enough time but fuck blue sphere
>>724467515the original games on the genesis expect you to play them over and over again to get the best times and find secret paths in order to find all the secrets. It's engineered with arcade sensibilities in mind. If you can't see that then you're retarded.
>don't like franchise>complaini'll never understand retards like you
>>724470215Because it's frustratingly confusing why anyone does when I can so easily see what's wrong.
>>724437005>peach left himnot chad
>>724470813i don't. i'm not underage so i understand not everything its made for meit would make more sense with shit franchises like re/dmc/sc/warcraftthat started good and then turned to shit
>>724467148>posts the worst characteryou don't either
