Is the industry dying?4 gacha games were released this month and they're all shit>Trickal>Stella Sora>Chaos Zero Nightmare>Duet Night Abyss
gachafags never learn
>Trickalthe gimmick is potato esque design and pinchable cheeks, but other than that it's nothing special. can't even be considered a video game since it's just auto battler.>Stella Soraboring gameplay + stingy ass devs>Chaos Zero Nightmarethe best one by far with fun roguelite dekbuilder gameplay, but ruined by the godawful story and female-gaze male characters in the gacha pool. everything is also extremely time consuming.>Duet Night Abyssshittier version of warframe with performance issues. the visual is genshin-esque, too generic. they removed gacha system, but it just made the grinding even worse and RNG-fest. surprisingly even more time consuming than CZN.
>>724437612>Chinese release poor quality copy gamesWelcome to the CCP.
>discussing gacha
I got spooked by faggot and furry.Immediately quit.No thanks.
>>724437612Not dead, but it feels like everybody is waiting for the next big thing to hit (maybe Ananta, maybe something else).
>Is the industry dying?no just gachas, everyone got tired of the formula, especially the 50/50 systemand you cant make broken builds like on normal games UNLESS you CASH for units then dupes then weaponsand then grind for some bullshit layers upon layers of rng systems to get 0.5% stronger, just to earn crumbswhy would you people even bother?same shit happened to koreans mmos, now only idiots give this trash their timeand people can pay less than $50 and have way more FUN building broken shit that obliterates everything on screen>b-but you dont need to pay for anything, I'm having funsure youre, marketer, sure you are
Trickcal is cute and inoffensive. Dead in the west but doing fine overseas. It's not meant to be a game you spend a lot of time on and it advertises itself as such. I like the setting greatly because all the characters are retarded. I find it jarring in a gacha when they introduce competent demigod anime girls, but they bow down to the MC for some reason. Stella sora is unplayable. The rates are bad, but it's got the lowest stamina/energy limit of anything I've ever played. They need to double the stamina or the game is dead. DNA is a worse warframe and only lets you use two different skills at a time. The actual gameplay is the focus here but the gameplay is not good. Melee attacks look flashy but lack impact and lock you in place, making it feel clunkier than it should be. It's also much slower.
I just know I'd get spooked by the furry in Ananta too... or NTE? idk these games are all same.I guess the only gacha I look forward to are Kaleidorider and Silver Palace
Its a bubble
>>724437612>>Trickalgeneric auto-battler, it's cute but there is nothing special about it>>Stella SoraI wish they didn't fuck this up, there is so much I love about it but there is no fucking way to get anything out of the gacha after the release extra gems>>Chaos Zero NightmareThis one feels it has potential but after 4 days playing I had to say nope, there is no way I can spend that much time doing the dungeons to create better characters later, specially knowing they grow in size>>Duet Night AbyssNow this one I wish I could try, don't know how legit was the posts saying running this game can fuck up your pc drivers or if it's already fixed, probably downloading when they release on steam
>>724439065>specially knowing they grow in sizeand the inevitable power creep.in a few months, cards will start having a huge wall of text for their effect description like in Yugioh and Reverse1999
>>724439312the power creep is inevitable, but the time you spend inside those dungeons makes Uma Musume run stupid fast looking
>>724438740You're not fooling anyone rabibro.
>>724439409and high level Chaos stages are also challenging where each node could potentially end the run prematurely. It's a huge time sink. This game is perfect for NEETs. unfortunately, I'm a busy corporate slave.
>>724437612stella sora is good, chaos zero nightmare is goodtrickal pointless trashduet night abyss generic trash
>>724439065they gave everyone 12k gems after the update, and you can get more gems with the new event.
>>724439914I will play through the event but I really doubt I will get 40 pulls through it to get the pity on the new girl
>DNA badcare to elaborate? I've been playing for a few hours and it feels decent enough
>>724437612AIEEEEEEEEEEEE I'M GOING INSANE!!!>starts undressing
>>724438363Isnt the 50/50 shit a thing because of mihoyo?
>>724437612Only two good gacha are Trickcal and Chaos Zero Nightmare. Former is cute and very funny with shortstack chibis you can pump and dump your dailies in, and latter is an actual grindan deckbuilder with waifus in rape dungeons. Enjoying both a lot. Especially CZN looks to have a bright future since devs are about to make the grinding less tedious.
>>724440225>with waifus in rape dungeonsnot for everyone >>724438252
>>724437612>wtf why does shit keep coming out of my asshole
>>724437923DNA runs like butter on my machine though.
>>724440063the negatives I heard so far are some of the 3d models, a lot of issues during the release day like people not being able to login, and some saying the pc version broke the keyboard drivers
>>724440225It's from the same Devs as epic 7. The grind will always be insane.
>>724437612>>Duet Night AbyssIs not a gacha thoughI know the gachaschizo council and discorders that raid this board decided they'd include it in their shitposts but it's not a gacha
>>724440641they designed a gacha game, then decided to remove the gacha system. the game is fundamentally and spiritually gacha.
>>724440437I see, i started playing like 12 hours after release and didn't encounter any of these issues, 3D models look good enough and i was impressed by how good the starting city looks
>>724440159Pretty much. Mihoyo set the standard with Genshin's pity system and everyone just copies it, but it doesn't really work anymore which is why you are seeing more gachas ditch the 50/50 80 rolls in favor of 100% rate up and 100 rolls for the guarantee. More studios are starting to play around with it too like DNA ditching the system all together in favor of letting people unlock the characters through grinding and Ananta seemingly ditching character gacha in favor of possibly cosmetic gacha.
>>724438964amogus
>>724440437The models really aren't good, but it could just be a simple case of the art team and the modeling team really not working close enough together.
>>724440159technically is an answer for the japanese law after granblue's incident where a fat fuck spent $5000 dorar and didnt got ONE single 'featured' unitbut its the most spread of 'fail-safety', the other one is 'spark' in which you can choose the unit after X amount of pulls
>>724437612>Is the industry dying?I fucking hope so
>>724437612>>Chaos Zero NightmareI like the battle gameplay and mindbreak girls is great but man, everything about this game from the UI to the translation feels AI generated.
>>724440505They already wrote a notification about getting player feedback and said they want to make the grind less tedious.
>>724440880Right looks like she's from a collab event in another game.
>>724438252>>724440342kek is that the dude that got a meltie yesterday? same two characters
>>724440947>feels AI generatedwhich means AI is good since the game is a huge success.
>>724441000>They already wrote a notification about getting player feedbackThey did the same thing in Epic 7 btw.
I will not play any game that even remotely reminds me of Genshin.
>>724441125>success = goodman /v/ sure has fallen
>>724440880they look good in motion, if anything I'd complain about how over the top the regular attacks are
>>724441079right has the same model quality of Kasane from Scarlet Nexus, a game from FOUR years ago
trickal looks cute reminds me of princess connect
>>724441000It doesn't really matter. They know that they'll make most money in Asia, not with Global. Asians don't give a shit about grinding.
>>724441209and then epic7 got tons of qol
You "people" actually want more shit to waste your time with? You don't there's enough of it?Picking up a gacha to play is one thing but it's another thing to want more.
>>724437612Stella Sora copied BA but forgot the cute lolis. I quit BA cause it was boring anywaysI didn't try Trickal cause it's not for me but it looks funny at least.Chaos Zero Nightmare I'm having fun with but it's the only gacha I'm playing now and it does seem time consuming. I may drop it but I'm having fun for now. I like mindbreak and cute girls with big boobs but I also like lolis and I'm not hoping for any lewd ones after what EPIC SHIT did to Lilibet.Duet Night Abyss ran like shit on my pc and I just decided not to bother.
>>724437612Waiting for Endfield. Dropped GF2 shortly after release and none of the new releases looked that great.
>>724440813Why the fuck do devs think they can copy Genshin monetization with games that are nowhere near Genshin production level? Even worse you have games like Stellar Sora which makes Genshin look like bargain of the century.
>>724441770cause they copy themselves and succeedthen WuWa copy 1:1 even UI and 'succeed'shareholders just want some piece of the pieif doenst work them pump and dumplike Ubishit, Ghost of Wokdei, now New World, Halo, Monster Hunter and Lost Ark next
I wanted CZN to be my 2nd gacha, but it's way too time consuming that I don't think I can play it even as my only gacha.
>>724440025you can do it anon, im f2p and I got her when I was at 30 fucking twice
>>724437612who is this slut?
Dragalia Lost was the only good gacha
>>724442512if it was so good why did it LOST and got shutdown then.
>>724437612CZN would be so much better if it wasn't a gacha and didn't have a story.
>>724442872so... Slay the Spire
>>724442652The game was so fair and honest that it refused to do false advertising. It LOST, exactly how it was said in the title.
>>724437612We still have Resonance Solstice tomorrow, don't forget. Also CZN was excellent.
>>724437612>4 new game released>this mean the industry is dyingretard
>>724443152it lost cause KMR is the equivalent of (((them))) in terms of greedness
CZN only makes sense if you've already played Slay the Spire to death, especially since thanks to the workshop you can even mod anime girls into sts. Otherwise, why play a game that is fundamentally worse to start, that also has a gacha system attached, when you could just play sts? If you have played it to death, then I understand, and carry on.
Trickcal is super cute and funny (not in that way) but is the epitome of "gameplay?". Still enjoyable in a laid back way and I'm glad that the Nips latched onto it.
>>724438252>Get Hugo in my beginner pulls>Reroll account>Get Renoa and Orlea this timeIdk what to tell you man. Just git gud
>CZNI have the most bricked account.I literally have all the males.
>>724443676I got Renoa and Selena with beginner pulls. really liked them and having using them as my main. But then I spent everything on Standard and Haru banners in hope of getting more characters (girls) and got the homo and the furry instead. I can't continue. I'm done with the game.
>>724443465thats the thing tho, no one is spending shit on CZN, everyones just having fun while the stages dont have cranked up resistances and hp bloat to gate the poorsnot to mention taylormade content to shill the featured unitwhen the honeymoon ends, its over
>>724443795Ah I see. On the bright side pity carries over, but 50/50 is probably one of the worser trends I've seen in gacha
>>724437612I still can't believe itI was waiting for Stella Sora as the second coming of Blue ArchiveI was eager for Duet Night Abyss as the second coming of WarframeI was just mildly interested in Chaos Zero NightmareThen I tried them all, Sora and DNA couldn't draw me in as any of their inspirations while CZN quickly addicted me with actual good gameplayOctober got thrown upside down.
>>724443886Maybe. I see a lot shilling for it, but it's pretty unappealing to me, and I love slay the spire. We'll see how many stick with it. I just can't agree that it's better than stella sora or dna, like so many seem to believe.
>>72444395850/50 is great if you're lucky. gacha overall is great if you're lucky. when the gacha aspect is removed like in DNA, all the left is mindless RNG-riddled grind, arguably worse than gacha system.
>getting things by playing is worse than paying for themabsolute fucking delusion, -20 sanity post
If czn is a 40 dollar complete offline game I'd have declared it goty but alas, gachashit.At least the Chrono Ark devs revealed their new game so it's not all bad.
is Chrono Ark even good?does it have story / ending?
Gacha is the greatest monetization system. Poorfag from 3rd world country can still play the game for free and whale from asia will fund the game allowing it to be high production.
Trickcal hooked me in and its really good. Dropped Stella Sora because Yostar is a jew and it's too generic. I'll try CZN because I unironically liked epic7 during its first year.I'm over these openworld games.
I just got Haru. You guys have any tips for her? The Trauma Code felt like a bigger shilling for Cassius
>>724445252>tipsspam anchor ¯\_(ツ)_/¯the loops just slim down your deck to fish for stuffbe it Cassius pick a card, Rei buff, Rin slashes, Reona bullet gengrind for artis I guess, upgrade potencials
>girls get darkest dungeon affliction>no NTR afflictionDROPPED
>>724437612>Duet Night Abyss>GachaNigga...
>>724445584can (you) DIRECT buy the skins? except the $1 dollar one
CZN bros...
>>724445882Kino
Stella Sora = TrickCal > CZN > DNA
I love Renoa!
>>724441317The grind is still the same though.
>>724437612What's wrong with Trickal? I would've played it if Uma wasn't such a time sink.
>>724437612Endfield expectations? They are likely to announce OBT on friday stream.>over a year in development hell>went from non-gacha looking character designs to kawaii uwu GFL2-esque designs>combat changed from xenoblade-like slow combat with skill aiming and cooldowns to genshin-like dodge spam>50/50 gacha with no pity carry-over between banners>government mandated forced china pandaring on release
>>724446157nothing wrong but also it's a nothing burger, the stories can be funny but the game itself you just leave the phone playing by itself while you are doing anything else
>>724446438>genshin-like dodge spamI wouldnt say Genshin is the most dodge spammy of the gacha games.
>>724446438>>went from non-gacha looking character designs to kawaii uwu GFL2-esque designswhat are you talking about, it still looks like the same hoodie beltanzipper as always
>>724446438why would you want another genshin clone? Endfield, Promilia, NTE, Ananta arr rook same.
>>724446157It's just an auto battler. Zero gameplay. It's basically a Priconne clone. They're basically there to scratch your gambling urges for other real gacha.
>>724437612>TrickalSlopped and flopped>Chaos Zero NightmareSlopped and flopped>Duet Night AbyssSlopped and flopped>Stella SoraWon bigly
>>724437612CZN is amazing and DNA isn't a gacha
>>724440947>AI translation no, it's more they have multiple translator but they don't communicate with each others so we have different keyword like "agony" and "pain" that are actually a same word.
His game will save this genre
>>724446751Agreed on both accounts.
>>724446685You guys told me Trickal is a big success in Japan?
>>724446438My expectations are more good trackshttps://youtu.be/EWYP-C60UnE?si=Bz5SfJuyHe7WWRxL
>a single high level chaos run is almost 1 hour long>have to do it 10000000000 times in the future + zero systemI can't do this bros....
>>724446792If the game works out I do feel like it may be the next step for gacha games. Good on them for escaping from the standards that Mihoyo set.
>>724441000>>724443971wait, isn't this just anime darkest dungeon?
>>724446949no, that's Dohna Dohna
>>724437612I'm gonna try that chink train gacha
>>724446949More like Slay the Spire dressed like Anime Darkest Dungeon but yes it has sanity mechanics.
>>724446949It's gachashit waifu slay the spire with superficial darkest dungeon mechanics.
I am enjoying Chaos Zero.
They tried to kill Blue Archive for being too generousRed Archive shows they wanted a turbogreedy cashgrabber
my deal breaker with stella sora is they don't even give voice in the main story. it's 2026 for fuck sake.
>>724447592but they killed Red Archive long ago
>>724447592Im pretty sure Red Archive died because its creators were so retarded that they somehow made the anti-christ of videogames look like the good guy in that situation.
>>724447354Same
>>724448794
Why do people say Rin is bad? I tried her and she keeps chaining katana skills
CZN looked interesting, then I found out it was gacha. How much does the gacha fuck you over in it anyways? On paper it should be a game that's right up my alley, but I don't want to have to deal with some bullshit roll X character or Y card to clear Z dungeon or fuck off type shit.
>>724450218her stance is so hard to proc compared to other 5 star character.compares to hugo, he only need to consume 1 ap and his mechanic proc for the whole fight.
>>724450912CZN is an aberration if you ask me. The gacha mechanics don't hamper you.Basically every character has their own small deck. Party is composed of 3 characters and the full deck mixed from them.Now how you upgrade the deck is by the Chaos, a roguelike mode that you will have DnD encounters in some nodes and fight monsters with the card game in others all while upgrading or modifying your deck (ex.: throwing meet to hungry monstruosities is getting rid of a card of a character, striking a deal with bandits gets you an extra card, or rolling over 10 with a 20 sided dice in a vision with an eldritch god upgrades your card to have extra effects like >>724449640 getting more stance effects to use her skills). At the end of the Chaos you keep the new decks of the 3 characters as ''Save Files'' which you can alternate and use everywhere else ASIDE Chaos.But to farm EXP and stuff like that to increase your characters lifebars and stats (the cards all say deal X% damage because it rides from the unit's stats) is where you use stamina.So the loop is basically alternating between those to raise units and then mix and remix them later as needed.The game has been out for less than a week so I haven't felt or faced a situation you'd need a specific character to clear anything. In fact I'd say the reason the tier lists are all so different from one another is because everyone is finding their own way to deckbuild through Chaos and clear their stuff.For example: one of the starters is Tressa. Her playstyle is swarming the hand with Knives that inflict DOT. So if you pair her with units that have the cards to play more cards she will deal colossal damage by procs. The rate-up SSR unit is Haru that instead focuses on buffing up her own Anchor card to get a gigantic multiplier and slam it with a high cost card instead.Both of them solve the issue their own way. Though depending on the boss one will be favorred more than the other.
>>724450912prepare to grind
you can tell it's not about gacha at all when you put a non-gacha game as a gachano wonder there's an increase in antisemitism
>>724444503>If czn is a 40 dollar complete offline game I'd have declared it gotyI'd call it GOTY and call StS2 GOTY next year
>>724450912Dude, the three starter characters you get can be better than 5 stars lmao. This game’s build diversity is absolutely insane, there’s no meta.This stage was filtering out anons with 5 stars, and then someone cleared it with the starter characters.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ko-NkPjVBE
>>724437612>Chaos Zero Nightmareis it shit? i kinda like it
>>724437612Waiting for Anime GTA
>>724452521all of them are good in their own way. These retards just want you to funnel your money into wokeshit instead
>>724452521It's pretty good if you ask me. Haven't had this much fun with a card game in ages.
>>724452521Literally the best gameplay in a gacha game on the entire market, not even joking
>>724452521I got some dude as my first 5 star or whatever.Shame I'll never get to play the game if it's good.
>>724452304I used to play GBF.>>724452115I'll give it a shot later then.>>724452486That's promising, but powercreep is a bitch and I don't have much faith in a gacha game not falling victim to it sooner than later.
>>724437612Also massive CZN glazer here, game is just fun. Unfortunately the gacha shit ruins a little as it gatekeeps your progress a bit, but I could just try to build characters right now without having to deal with stamina, it's just that I'm lazy and know I'm unlocking the better mode to do so soon.If they fix localization, jank and story this game is a 10/10 when it comes to gachas
UE5 becoming the sole engine for production value is making it hard for developers to take the gacha market pie because of the system requirement and difficulty in optimization. Why install the newest slop only to run it with a very low setting and fps when you can play older established game like Genshin that look good while still running decent?
What do we think of Resonance Solstice? It has trains.
New to CZN. Do you need to do Chaos runs to gear your character?
>>724437612Maybe they should stop pulling words out of a hat as their names.
>>724452897if i could make full team of brown girls it would be 10/10 for me
CZN looks cool but I don't have the time to spare.
>>724453513to get their decks, yesbe warned that at low level the deck you can bring out will be probably "nerfed" by adding back basic shit cards or removing good ones you acquired, to get good cards out you need to progress more and get harder content
>>724445252pair her with Mika and either Khalipe or Amir. Her 2 cost cards automatically activate any card with the Heaven tag.
>>724452897The girls are for Owen btw.
>>724437612>and they're all shitwow what a shocker
>>724453947thanks for your riveting commentary ranjeet
>>724453993>gachapaki calling anyone else indianlmfao
>>724454082truly a master of wit. got any other gems for us oh retard of the basket weaving forum?
>>724454447why do you post like youre farming for upvotes
>>724454547nailed it. your posts are so low level that a chained crack smoking monkey in tibet could replicate them. elevate your shitposting you brain dead retarded faggot. btw you tongue my anus you gay nigger.
>>724440880>>724441079>>724441230Kek this. She's literally Kasane Randall. That's a good thing btw
>>724454754>nailed ityoure mom?
>>724438363Imagine if game companies focused on making games that are fun instead of treadmills for SEA monkeys
>>724455667You still wouldn't buy them.
>>724452897Why not play Chrono Ark instead?
>>724455703If game companies kept releasing expansions for the games that i enjoy, I would kept buying those.
>>724455905because I already played it?
>>724438363>gacha games>dyingdelusional
>>724441446well yeah, more shit means more options, which means something might release that more closely fits what you actually wantfor example, i want genshin with big tiddies sluts and actually interesting environments but it doesnt exist and wont because nobody can compete with hoyo
>>724443074Slay the Spire doesn't have cute girls getting mindbroken
>>724445882Owen is a bro, I wouldn't mind his sloppy seconds
>>724455667CZN is fun but it's ALSO a grinding treadmill. most will get burnt out after a few months. same thing happened with Uma Musume. these games need too much commitment into daily chore.
>>724456497once you get a good deck it doesn't, dailies take like 3 minutes
>>724456527It will never be good enough in future updates.
>>724456527>dailies
>Trickcalcute silly girls but the gameplay and grind is fucking boring as shit, barely any reason to log in, even though i love the shit out of erpin>Duet Night Abyssjanky-ass combat with no feel or impact, the character models are shit too, cant believe people were waiting for this>Chaos Zero Nightmareprobably the most actual 'game' out of any, the character designs are a little bland, but the rogue-like shit is actually decent and experimenting with different characters and setups is fun>Stella Soragameplays kinda basic but the characters are adorable as shit and the story is pretty cute and definitely has a blue archive feel to it - shame they fucked up monetization so bad and barely hand out rolls AND materials
>>724437612There's no lockdown and the market is extremely saturated. For a gacha to break through in this market it would need to be an upgrade over Genshin how Genshin itself was over FGO.
>>724437612>>724437923>>724440225>Look up the game>turn cringe shitOnce again I'll wait for the porn
>>724458589>roguelite deckbuilder>what the fuck it's turn based???no shit you fucking idiot
>>724437612>ooooo i can't consoom more live service mobile slop!Ok? Do you want more FF and tales of kusoge that dies in a year
>>724458589Yes
>>724437612buy an ad
>>724459567Life is in fact, a gigantic complicated gacha system, where your first roll will decide your entire life.
>>724452579im also waiting for NTE yes i know
>>724459794>implying one can throw an unspecified amount of money to change absolutely everything about how one is born, from genetics to life surroundingsMiddle Ages-ass cattle mentality
stella sora is fine aside from the stingy fuck monetization scheme, wish it had any difficulty at all though. maybe in the endgame, but i dunno how many people will stick with it that longchaos zero nightmare is actually quite good, makes me wish it was a real game and not gacha, if this game was $30 on steam it'd be an easy recommend to anyoneduet night abyss is one of the biggest disappointments of the year for me. it's just a worse version of a bunch of other games, mashed together into bad chink slop. it also runs like shit despite looking like a game from the mid 2010s.
CZN is alright. Like an easier coomer Morimens with more gacha.
>>724437612HOYOVERSE RUNS THIS SHIT, CHIGGAZ
Does CZN have afflictions like lustful where they fuck other dudes?
Gentlement I present to you.https://store.steampowered.com/app/1188930/Chrono_Ark/CZN if it was good.
>>724461634I already beat it.
>>724437612>Stella SoraWanted to play this but didn't get Chitose so uninstalled.
>>724461634Put 100 hours into it, Might put 100 more. Looking forward to their next game. All the design look sex.>>724437612Every One who likes CZN should try Morimens as well. It's more Slay the Spire-esque and you can actually canonically fuck your units.
>>724461634My favorite deck builder.
>TrickalI played it a bit, the story is funny but everything else feels like a complete waste of time and not in a particularly good way. It's just the most barebones gameplay imaginable. Would have been better as a cute little VN.>Stella SoraActually fine, fun little Hades clone that has potential when it gets harder game modes down the line, core gameplay is solid. The only people complaining about it are poorfags who have run the math and realized that they won't get literally everything in the game for free because things cost money.>CZNI don't even mind when devs use AI to accelerate gamedev, it's smart and makes sense to me, but you can certainly be too obvious about it. Stella Sora clearly does it but polished it up, CZN looks like it just came straight out of a prompt with zero touchup. They need to hire a better promptsmith but the first impression is already made.>DNAI haven't tried it yet but it just looks like a lukewater Genshin/Wuwa clone without anything particularly special to set it apart or pull people away from what they already play. The fact that they removed the gacha strikes me as a lack of confidence more than anything else but I could be wrong.
why people even mention real life money transactions when discussing gacha? only subhumans spend money on games never mind fucking gacha games lol
I have a bit of hope on azur promilia and still waiting Konami to make bombergirl easier to play
>>724463002Because RMT shit ends up being a core part of the game design in damn near every gacha game ever. Sure, there's games where it's really nothing more than just a nice bonus or whatever, but there's plenty of others where the entire point of the game is to try to bleed you dry and the game itself suffers for it.
>>724438740>I like the setting greatly because all the characters are retarded.qrd?
>>724462862I really think DNA removing gacha was a publicity stunt to drum up interest. They knew launch was going to be terrible. They knew it's an unfinished mess with bad models, bad performance and bad gameplay. They needed it to have a silver lining that drew people to it and claiming you could claim all characters and weapons "for free" was it.Never mind it still has gacha for cosmetics.
>>724461634CZN if it was old and beaten years ago
I'm waiting for Azur Promilia
>>724461832>>724463165TRUST IN THE PLAN
>>724463779i will now play your game
>>724463093There are 7 races and all of them except elves are either weirdos or idiotsEven then, some elves are dumbasses too
>TrickcalPeak bonsaige and what a gacha should strive to be.A fun game with enjoyable but short and shallow gameplay where most of the enjoyment comes from collecting stuff and seeing numbers grow bigger. Everything else from the music, to the story and the character designs is fantastic too. The economy is God tier as well, they honeymoon period showers you with 500+ pulls and then you get another 100 or so every month.>Stella SoraHaven't played but the game was received very poorly>CZNPlayed and dropped, it's good (aside from the story) but I prefer my roguelite card games without RPG mechanics that let you overpower hard content and timegates>DNANot really a gacha, it's more of a Warframe clone
>male characters>needing to reroll accounts at the start to get good girls>shit designsI will NOT play your shitty gacha.
>>724464556this includes wuwa and stella sora from the ones I wanted to maybe try recently btw
>>724460493CZN achieved Chrono Ark's lifetime sales revenue within a week thanks to it being a gacha.gacha is the most supreme monetization design
I'll play Chrono Ark but not now
>>724465108Yes and world richest people earn more money every minute than CZN ever did. Does it still mean we should let these jews mutilate children and enslave humanity?
CHOOSE
>>724465264>how to make my shitty dead thread aliveat least it's not golem get ye gone
>>724463779>>724463827it looks too low budget, low quality. the animation is very stiff.
>>724464556>Needing to rerollThat's such a dumb problem with multiple ways to fixI personally like when the game gives you a selector, that way reroll addicts can still reroll if they want and most players just use the selector to get their most wanted character
>>724465250we have no say.vidya companies will always make products that'd give them the most money: gacha
>>724437612CZN currently is super fun though.No clue how it holds up over long term,
>>724465368Chitose is the only reason most people wanted to play SS and guess what? They quit like me if they don't get her at the start.
>>724438252Hugo paired with Tressa is fucking amazing and you are a faggot.
The thing about CZN is that half of the female cast are weak, bricked and one-dimensional (Rin, Amir, Orlea), while ALL but 1 male characters (Luke) are God-tier and very versatile. The only brown bitch in the game is the weakest character by far ffs.CZN is very gameplay-focused and you'd eventually fall into the temptation of using homo characters just to keep up with the content. It's sickening.
>>724437612>4 gacha games were released this month and they're all shitTo no ones surprise.
>>724465563Yes I'm aware that he's great, but people (heterosexual males) play gacha game for the waifus >>724465632
>>724465206Well, I guess Im glad I didn't get farI know any game with a modicum of success gets DLC out the ass but holy >>7244652647, no contest.
>>724452521If you dont like gameplay and just want to autobattle and roll then its shit.If you want to play a fun game with a side of gacha then its good.
>>724437612Chaos zero nightmare is goty and probably the best mobile game of the decade, eat shit
>tressa generating daggers on heal>mika healing you out the ass every turnwhat are some other kino combos on czn?
>>724466043Orlea + beryl
>>724466043>mika mentioned!
>>724440063it's just people who started playing warframe 10 years after its release
>>724465932You might be right but I'm sure 80% of people would prefer playing Slay the Spire, Monster Train, Chrono Ark or any of the other fully fledged games rather than be bogged down by mobile live service mechanics
>>724466415I played all these games to death alreadybesides CZN has its own mechanics and idiosyncracies that make it unique and fun to play in it's own right, and despite what anybody says, the kind of long term metaprogression that happens in live service games is appealing. In fact that's the main reason why most people play these gamesor MMOs in the first place, the feeling of slowly progression rpg stats over time of dedicated play is its own flavor (I understand it is manipulative of some parts of our brain but every game / fun experience is that in some way).
>>724466415lol no we LOVE gacha
>>724437612suck my fucking dick guys i win this game
>>724466415Yeah CZN wont last me 30 hours even from what Ive already seen from it
>>724466080I really wish BA had better gameplay, they character designs are wasted on that game
>>724466694>Luke & Hugofaggot
>>724466415>80% of people would prefer playing Slay the Spire, Monster Train, Chrono Ark or any of the other fully fledged gamesYou know what is natural lifecycle of those games?>play it>learn it>beat it>add random ass mods to extend lifecycle>drop it when high quality mods endCZN is basically official infinite official mod support for the game. For me that's a big sell.
>>724466734Project KV was that, but it got slaughtered
>>724437612I have money left>Inflation: YOINKI have NO money left
>>724466785>i know shit about the cards award
>>724466415this is my first gacha and i love the gameplay tho
>>724466836why's luke good
>>724437612Sunken Cost Fallacy is finally setting in. The enconomy is shit for the world and every new gacha is copying the dumbass Hoyo model of sub 1% rates, 90 pity, 50/50 coinflips, and weapon banners. Why invest time and money into a new game when most gachafans have already invested everything into Genshin or FGO. Even big names like Zenless Zone Zero and Wuthering Waves are just rapidlly declining.The removal of gacha in Duet Night Abyss brings another problem: Korean-style MMO grinding. It's terrible and will died out once FotM phase wears off.
>>724466902Because I used Luke Beryl and Maribel in Chaos 30 to kill the two main bosses. Then I collected the crystals and got Haru, Cassius, and that fucking furry piece of shit who are meta.
>>724467006>every new gacha is copying the dumbass Hoyo model of sub 1% rates, 90 pity, 50/50 coinflips, and weapon banners.I don't get why devs do it when it's a surefire way to tell the most dedicated gacha players out there>We know you hate this system but it makes money, and we like money.Right now player goodwill is the best thing a gacha can have, even an outdated game like Azur Lane that only has lewd skins going for it manages to rake in over a million a month because they built up so much goodwill over the yearsMeanwhile Stella Sora that's comparatively a much better game is in shambles because they got too greedy
>>724467159I did all that without rolling your gay furry.Get owned.
>bro dont play gacha and just play these old games you beat several times alreadyshut up rabbi
>>724467393HES META YOU FUCKING RETARD
Play her game
>>724467437also i never understood her cards wtf is she tryin to do
CZN seems interesting enough, but I'll wait a year with a bought account after everything has stabilized with all the improved translation, balance and of course the inevitable power creep.
>>724464447Agreed, I stopped playing new gachas but Trickcal is the one that interested me the most because it's not one of those retarded inferior real game copies.
>>724466828there was literally no information on what the gameplay would be like thoughbeit
>>724437612>Is the industry dyingIt's not dying, it's already dead.
>>724467567why bother playing when you can watch it on youtube
>>724437612>Is the industry dying?God, we can only hope.
The problem with new gacha games and arguably new videogames in general is the "wow, I'd rather just play [game of the same genre/playstyle that has been out for years]" issue.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>724467767based, non-gachas are a waste of time
>>724437612oh boy do I need more dailies to do every single day
>>724467887I'll never understand people who unironically play gachas for the gameplay>The first 20 hours or so of the game are piss easy, you'd need to actively sabotage yourself to lose>Then it's a bunch of "walls" where you're mathematically too weak to progress so you just do dailies>Eventually you reach the endgame and there gameplay shines except that it's designed in a way to entice you to pay to make it easierGachas' main appeal is similar to that of Cookie Clicker, collecting Pokemon cards or leveling up your character in an MMO
>>724467887It's not just that, the industry was built assuming there's a certain number of players but that number shrinks further as people get hooked onto one gacha.
>>724467887sounds like retarded western mmo logic. Glad asians see it different instead of just jerking it to WoW and GW2 and complaining there's nothing to play
>>724468247>>724468212>number of players but that number shrinks further as people get hooked onto one gachaI agree. Why would I play a new Genshin-like when I've already invested four years of my life into Genshin? I would consider it if it tried actually improving upon the game it copies but nowadays they don't even try to do that.
>>724437612stella sora is a good game. I've played it every day since release.
>>724468342Yeah, and while there's a lot of gachas coming out their production process is as slow as normal games so they can't suddenly lower their costs even if they noticed that there's less spenders these days. The F2P model that brought in a lot of sales might be their downfall too because gacha hoppers aren't loyal.
>>724468212>Gachas' main appeal is similar to that of Cookie Clicker, collecting Pokemon cards or leveling up your character in an MMOback in the 2010s gachas is pretty much that, nifty small games in your phone you play to waste time.there are some exceptions but most of them are like that, they weren't meant to replace normal games. people who treat them seriously are usually either autists or whales.but when gachas starting to get bigger and fancier, that completely changed
>>724468505Not to mention online costs have inflated up the ass. The Palworld CEO posted his server bill for hosting his shitty online mode and it was like half a million dollars per month.
I looked up Chaos Zero on steam because a friend was enjoying it, but then realized its live service gacha.I just want games that I can buy, enjoy and complete.
>>724468671>I just want games that I can buy, enjoy and complete.sorry bro... but that's just simply not economically feasible nowadays...
>>724468554Some say that developers have gotten greedy, but I think it's a two-way street where people demand for far too much and developers do the same.>>724468617But some people will insist that devs don't need a lot of money to develop and keep things running, fucking retards.
>>724468760>>724465108
>>724468671sorry sweatie, we don't play casual games that last you 20 to 100 hours; here the gachaGAWDS only play games that at minimum give you 1500 hours of gameplay before checking out a new release. not for the casuals unironically
>>724468505The thing about gachas is that they essentially have to launch with about a year or content ready, or close to ready, to roll out over patches so they can work on the following year's content. You also need to make sure your game has enough content at launch so players stay interested. 3D gachas have to launch with anywhere from 20-60 hours of content on day one which the equivalent of a full game.
>>724468891So what? I might play Chrono Ark but I won't play CZN because its designs fucking suck and it has furries.>>724468956Yeah, and it becomes harder and harder to dislodge whales from their gacha of choice over time too.
>>724468212>I'll never understand people who unironically play gachas for the gameplayThe gameplay gachas are rare. I would say I played Arknights, Umamusume jp and CZN for gameplay. Rest of gachas I played are just what you described, even ZZZ I had some hopes for during 1.0 of that game.
>>724469061CZN already has 10x Chrono Ark playerbase :)
Mahjong Soul is the best gacha
>>724469061chrono ark wishes it has even 1/10th of the budget of CZN; the game is gorgeous, and they got the luxury of having every character having an insane number of frames of animationgameplay is also really neat; being a live service game means it'll never run out of content
>>724469219>Furries>Waifuslop>Shit translation
>>724469123paying for games is why gacha is thriving. Worthless pirates are eternally seething
>>724469219it even got edgekino
>>724441446I only open Dolphin Wave to visit my wife Ikaruga.I hope they bring her back in the new senran game.
>>724469219I fucking hate live service and "unlimited content" but I gotta admit that roguelite probably works well with the format. From what I've played (which isn't a lot) roguelites would benefit from frequent updates and more contentThough still stuff like action games or turn based jrpgs should have an end, and not become an infinite game.
>>724469573imas gakuen is a deckbuilding roguelite and it works pretty well for a bit.But eventually doing 20-30 minute runs over and over gets stale and you wish it was just a proper game
>>724469192Game's fine but it's extremely stingy with rolls. Even after years I'm still using Ichihime.>vote for outfit!>what, you thought we were gonna give a skin for free? nonono you were merely voting for which outfits we're going to put on sale next patch!
>>724437612People are waiting for Ananta or Arknights
>>724456710I feel like czn biggest flaw is all those furries. I got like 6 of those in 10 pulls
>>724463002It's just nintendo and western companies marketers. A lot of people stay f2p or rather pay 60 for some outfit instead of 80 +80+80 for 3 shitty games
>>724469760That's exactly my beef with modern gachas, I'd play a real fucking game if I cared about the gameplay and this slog is too long for daily play.
>>724466809yeah infinite until eos in 6 monthslol lmao evendeath to gachacucks
>>724469219>it'll never run out of contentthat's not a good thing
I'm playing czn with no-roll account and I'm getting filtered rn. how the fuck do I get through this? I literally have no options
>>724469761yeah it's very stingy, but the point of the game is the mahjong, not the gacha, which is purely cosmetics.
>>724437612>extremely fuckable mascot characterDNA wonGayshit and Wushit could never
>>724470415You either exit whatever that is and grind stat/levelup currency for a couple months then try again or swipe. That's the way it always goes with every single gacha game.
czn is a good game
>>724467432um he's a guy. i don't spend money on guys.
>>724470623So how does this work? Do the characters bring their own set of fixed cards or what?
>>724469219CZN wishes it had 1/10 of the depth of Chrono Ark tho.
>CZNall the hottest girls are hot garbage gameplay-wise.>Amir>Rin>Maribelle >Orleameanwhile all the great ones are homos and ugly gl*sses girlwhat were they thinking?
>>724437612Chaos looks like something I would like But MAN, the reason I like roguelikes is because they do not waste my time and are gameplay first. You cant do this with gacha.I would pay for it being a compleatable game.
>>724452897not gay but owen looking kinda rapable here
So going by the seething, i assume that Chaos Zero Nightmare game won the new release war. So i will give it a try.
>>724447105>>724447239>Sts with dd mechanicsSo its Chronoark but gacha and worse in every aspect besides having more waifus.
>>724469573but pretty much every modern gacha has a rouglite mode
>>724470407It's only not a good thing if you're unable to stop playing once you're no longer having fun.
>>724471235But they're just extra mode right? Not the main focus?How deep are the roguelite element in stuff like Genshin or Wuthering?
>>724465713It has two dlcs and they are in the deluxe edition/switch version by defaultThe dlcs added a bunch of relics and optional boss replacers and new animations and skins for some of the characters.Not everyone was able to get skins unfortunately before they shifted development to making Deception Engine
>decide to give CZN a shot>lol stuck on patching for the last 15 minutes
>>724437612For me it was:>TrickalGood, very sovlfvl very silly, devs clearly put love into it, but decided to uninstall because i already play Azur Lane and i can't keep up with two autobattler gacha, still recommended, not sure what would i expect from the game long term though.>Stella SoraIt was better than i expected from all the negative reception online, very fun to play and there's lots of experimentation with with builds and team comps that you can do. Good Soundtrack and the story is not bad. And i will just keep leeching off the freebies until i get bored or shafted by the gacha.>Chaos Zero Nightmare and DNAFuturistic/post apoc games with "serious" stories lost all their appeal to me, even if these could be very good games, don't really want to set up another emulator instance for CZN because that Stove launcher looks horrible and DNA looks so visually similar to a kuro game that it just filtered me mentally.
>>724470668The main mode is called "chaos" which is very similar to Slay the Spire in which you pick 3 characters who have a small amount of default cards each with a "gimmick".Throughout your chaos run, you'll gain cards for each character (these are always the same), but the variation is in epiphanies (a mechanic that upgrades each card in one of five ways, you get three of the five options when it triggers) which causes inevitable variation in your build across three characters.There are also neutral cards (generic cards tied to a character type rather than a specific character) you can pick up, and also monster cards (strong cards that drop from enemies you kill) which can all have epiphanies as well.Then there's equipment which boosts the value of certain builds you find alongside some other events which let you copy cards or remove cards.The main appeal the game has over something like Slay the Spire is that the run isn't the end. If you have a really good chaos run, that deck then gets saved as "save data" and can be used afterwards in other content.
>>724472717>very similar to Slay the Spireit's very similar to Chrono Ark you fucking tourist so fucking tired of retards comparing every deckbuilder ever made to StS
>>724472894No one played Chrono Ark though.
>>724472894To be fair STS is at least somewhat similar. What triggers my autism is Darkest Dungeon because it only took stress bar from it and other than that it has zero similarities
>>724437612isnt Trickcal just a cheekpinching game? how is it shit?
>>724437612>4 gacha games were released this month and they're all shithow is this different frfom all other gacha games?>no you se ethe gacha i'm playinyeah nah, you're a subhuman
>>724437612if a game is known after its financial model (gacha in this case) rather than its gameplay then it's automatically unplayable. if a "gacha game" lives long enough to be known for more than just "gacha" then it's either coomshit (azur lane, nikke, blue archive, etc.) or remotely good despite being cursed by being gacha (arknights?). so yeah, whales gonna whale and jews gonna jew.
>>724473089>if a game is known after its financial modelyou mean like arcade games?
>>724472974You made me check out of curiosity>somehow it has more than double the reviews in Steam despite not being known in the west at allIs this the power of chinks?
>>724437612It’s hard to play more than one gacha for most people. The market is just saturated.
>>724473227>oppai lucy
if you want to play CZN but good try Morimenshttps://store.steampowered.com/app/3052450/Morimens/
>>724437612I cane across the chaos zero game. By chance and tried it out because it just looks like slay the spire but with anime girls.I'm enjoying it so far, what is terrible about it?>>724437923What about the story is bad?
>>724473351The problem isn't just saturation but that every gacha these days wants to be a time-consuming game to get all your time and money.>>724473395I hope more people try this one, really solid aesthetics and visuals.
>>724466828project KV would've just looked like Stella Sora
>>724468671then play Chrono Ark, its a real game and basically what everyone is copying anywayhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/1188930/Chrono_Ark/
>>724437612CZN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trickal > DNA >>>>>>>> Stella Sora
>>724473227>more than double the reviewsof what? StS?
>>724473618I like the artstyle of this way more than CZN, how challenging would you say the game is to understand?
>>724438740>Trickcal is cute and inoffensive. Dead in the west but doing fine overseasJust like BA? Lmao
>>724473693oh shit Steam was filtering my reviews yeah that makes much more sense
>>724473865>oh shit Steam was filtering my reviewsare 90% of StS reviews in chinese? lol
>>724437612All Gacha is shit. It's a scam disguised as a video game.
>>724470727good thing CZN is exactly that
>>724473956Wouldn't be surprising, they're a huge chunk of the general Steam population and StS is really fucking popular with them.
CZN IS WRITTEN BY 10 DIFFERENT WRITERS LMAOwhat a mess. they should everyone but the one who wrote Renoa's trauma story.
embarrassing
>>724474145yeah Morimens is just Chinese StS
>>724469473I continue to play DW to dress girls in revealing outfits
>>724474330What is so bad about the story? Im only on chapter 2.
I'm noticing
>>724474330>10 different writers>they're all hacks who couldn't come up with a better initial storyline than "the church crusaders are actually... le bad?"Also aside from Renoa's trauma code, the agent counselling, hangouts and a good amount of the chaos encounters are written pretty competently (aside from the glaring MTL)If they do anything, they should have a catastrophic event happen in chapter 6 that obliterates the big paradise station and puts chaos as an extremely prominent and ever encroaching threat
>>724474516there's nothing wrong with it or having multiple writers. Several games have multiple but when a gacha does it, it's apparently the worst thing ever
>>724474340>>724474520
>>724474516Gacha writers are people who couldnt even reach webnovel tier decent so they picked the lowest hanging fruit. Now imagine 10 of them in the same room
>>724468212>>Then it's a bunch of "walls" where you're mathematically too weak to progress so you just do dailiesNo. In two different Gacha games I played the best part was doing things when you are ""mathematically too weak"" and clearing it all anyway and then afterwards when my characters were capped I quit them both shortly after as 99% content after is all easy as fuck while having maybe 1 activity per week that is of any considerable difficulty where I'd actually have to to think in the midst of braindead dailies and I am not sticking around for that.
>Myoho games made 50/50 gacha pulls popular and made billions with it >Everyone imitate them >The more predatory a gacha is, the more money they make>People get tired of the bullshit
>>724470960>the reason I like roguelikes is because they do not waste my time and are gameplay first.That's why I played the hell out of StS and Monster Train but did not enjoy CZNCZN has a really fun mode but all it does is let you save up your deck for other modes, so you never get that "One more run" feel.You instead get pushed around different modes and menus to progress, collect a bunch of different ressources, read a subpar story that can't be skipped, etc.
>>724474747>>People get tired of the bullshitnot really, Mihoyo gacha all make up the top 10 in revenue
Trickal is fine
>>724474586having multiple writers is fine when the story is separated into multiple standalone arcs/events like in FGO. CZN's is direct continuity style.
>>724474747What is 50/50? Just the pity break/guaranteed pull after pulling for 50 times?
>>724474747Mihoyo gachas are still on the top, people are just getting tired of 50/50 in general which is why you are seeing stuff like 100% rate up, but pity is 100 rolls or weapon banners ditching the 50/50 and just being guaranteed.
>>724474870I play FGO and would say that even that can be a problem.
>>724474747reminder that hoyotards created these shitty nonsense terms like "50/50" or "soft/hard pity" to describe mechanics that already existed before genshit. Also hoyoslop rates are dogshit and lower than gacha games that came out in 2015
>>724475040yeah fuck sakurai (lowercased)
>>724474874"50/50" is a 50% chance at pulling the character on the banner when your pull rate ramps up to a certain percent. Fire emblem heroes had this mechanic, for example
>>724475058Haha, yeah...
>>72447487450% chance for the 1st 5* you pulled on the limited banner to be a standard 5*. Generally speaking, you can't be spooked twice in a row, so if the 5* you got is a standard, the next is guaranteed to be the limited char.This is usually accompanied by having really low rates forcing you to hit pity, and never adding the limited char to the standard banner, meaning after a while, the standard spooks are all useless.The low rates part is annoying since it means your pulls are generally clustered around hitting the pity so if you fail the 50/50 you are highly likely to be looking at dumping another pity's worth of pulls.
>>724440947the art is AI generated too
>>724474520>>724474340>bugmen like gameplayThen why they are so obssessed with genshin sloppa.
I got interested in CZN, not really having played gachas before, but indeed the story's awful, wish it actually commited to being grimdark instead of this tropey bullshit
>>724466809>CZN is basically official infinite official mod support for the game. For me that's a big sell.In reality, it's just a skinnerbox where you have to level up your characters and cards to actually beat shit
>>724475431yea it's not a game where you can't use cheatengine which sucks
>>724452827If you're willing to grind and you want to play a real game check out Wizardry
>>724474747>The more predatory a gacha is, the more money they makeNot reallyThe keys to success are >Attract enough players>Offer a good F2P experience so that >95% of your playebase doesn't feel alienated>Give whales and dolphins enough stuff to purchase If Genshit Impact released today it'd barely make Punishing Gray Raven numbers
>>724475529why play that when you can play a real game like world of warcraft
>>724475345pre-release trailers were very misleading
>>724475431Eh, I think it will be same as Arknights. At some point levels don't mean shit, it's how you make a team and making your own fun with fun combinations of agents.
You can tell CZN is actually good because it's already gathered a hatebase from fans of an actual game.Stay in your lane Chrono Ark players it's unbecoming of you
>>724437612Next year a bunch of high budget gacha games will release and we'll see. If they flop, the genre may be dying. Endfield will have a stream this Friday.>>724446438Wow, you got every single point wrong.>over a year in development hellThere was no development hell, the devs modified the game because of all the feedback they got on their first technical test>went from non-gacha looking character designs to kawaii uwu GFL2-esque designsI really have no idea what are you talking about but there has been two redesigns and that's it, we barely saw any characters on the technical test>combat changed from xenoblade-like slow combat with skill aiming and cooldowns to genshin-like dodge spamYou can't spam dodge, we only saw a small change on a PS5 build that improved the dodge a bit to not be as timing punishing as it was but we still don't have the full details. The combat on the beta tests were much better received than the one from the technical. And the game still has the 4 characters combat and doesn't focus on swapshit. >50/50 gacha with no pity carry-over between bannersThere is no 50/50, that's exactly one of the things people were complaining about. There's a 120 roll guaranteed and a soft pity that triggers at 60 rolls. The pity does carry over but the guaranteed doesn't. Also they are probably going to do the same than original AK with every unit being dumped onto the standard banners unless they said it's a limited unit. None of the beta characters were limited for example.>government mandated forced china pandaring on releaseJust like every single chink gacha released in the last 3 years, you fucking retard
>this gacha is good because.... people don't like it
>>724475834Don't kid yourself, the gacha games are meant to make money, so they either want you to slave for them every day or fetch money to clear content. I know this is just a advertising thread and I'm speaking with paid shills but yeah
>>724475996>If they flop, the genre may be dyingI think the most simple answer is that people are becoming more and more strapped for Cash and there is so many different gachas to play now that people really have to settle on a few at most to properly play them.You have to offer more than what is a standard Mihoyo knock-off at this point which is why I'm really interested in Ananta because it went with ripping off a bunch of open-world games like Watch Dogs, Spiderman and GTA instead.
>>724475692If Genshin never released, no other company would have tried to make an open world gacha game. Even Tower of Fantasy was originally more MMO and was pivoted to add the gacha for character weapon stuff after Genshin’s success.
>>724476005NTA but I get his pointYou don't see anyone hating a merely decent gacha like Goddess Order, people who didn't like the game just dropped it and moved onIt's much harder to move on from a game like CZN that promised so much and delivered on a lot of those promises, that's like a bad breakup where you keep bringing up your ex to your family and friends
>this gacha is bad because... it doesn't have 3d models
>>724475752Why not both?
>>724476209I think that's the main reason people are looking at Ananta, Endfield and Azur Promilia. Ananta is GTA lite, Endfield has all the factory part of it and AP has the Palword like mechanics
>>724475834I play arknights for the story
>>724476270pso2 existed before genshin you hoyoslurper
>>724476359>Endfield has all the factory part of itpeople are just going to watch a guide for the most optimal set and forget factory day 1
>>724437612https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL6VBb_tpqkWill the factory gameplay attract more people or not? Including chinks
>>724476138I had genuine fun with Arknights early when they were doing CCs. I was spending hours to solve those using my own units and strategy. I already have had fun with CZN doing hard mode chaos runs.Don't know what to tell you anon, ofc those games are meant to make money. For me it's just a question whether it has gameplay or not. I think CZN has actual gameplay.>>724476362>AK storysomething something old well. AK story has great moment and it's world building is peak, but reading through it is pain.
>>724476376And it’s not the same thing at all dumbass. Cosmetics gacha and not an open world.
>>724437612I tried DNA and it just wasn't that good. Sure, the character art is lovely. But the models are a bit of a mismatch. And the gameplay is just warframe but, kinda undercooked and shitty.Despite not playing warframe for a couple years DNA is actually really making me consider updating it kek.
>>724475996I worry endfield will be just genshin reskin at this point to be honest.
>>724476547>character unlock gacha is better because.. it just is, okay!!tera and wow are also gacha
ZZZ is the one true love. Everyone will understand soon enough.
>>724476765>furshitLMAO!
>>724476472I don't see why anyone except autists would engage in that instead of just copying some autist's highly optimized solution.Factorio is an optimization game, so unless you want to build for style, there is a theoretical highest efficiency (whether land usage, throughput, or something else) setup so randomly building is objectively a bad move.
>>724437612I played Trickygals for 2 weeks.I played CZN for 30 hours since release.I played DNA for 10 hours today.I can tell you with certainty that the Stella Sora and Trickygals will survive long term because they are "comfy" enough for the average japanese salaryman>log in>sweep stage>read a bit of story>fap to the cute girlsCute girls and being able to skip the gameplay is a virtue for this demographicThe main issue with CZN, DNA, WuWa and other similar gacha is that having a complex gameplay loop or being an action game will make your players burn out much fasterAlso once you're in the sphere of open world and shit like that, you're directly competing with Hoyo as a wholeStella Sora being a log-in, sweep, log-out game makes it much more likely to be picked by the japanese, even just as a side to Blue ArchiveAnd since the development cost of Sora and Trickygals is lower compared to the other gachas, it doesn't need to make that much money to be profitableIt's ironic because all the stuff that Reddit and Youtube was using as ammo to attack this game will save it in the end
>>724476695You are a retard. The key point was the large open world. If Hoyo hadn’t done it then none of the other companies would have tried it either. PSO2 was just random corridors built with set pieces. The stages were randomly generated but using the same basically 6 to 10 or so pieces for each planet.
>>724476765>YiXuanThe herald of Honkai 4th corridor slop and never ending chinkwank.
>>724476279I'm personally disgusted that they claim to have put so much effort into the art but it looks like AI-generated slop.
>bunch of new gacha>all still chinese or koreanwhat is Japan doing?
>>724476943no one cares about open world, hoyotard, or else these other botw clone gachas all would've succeeded. Genshit is being held up by rabid marketers and a "gacha game" subreddit that makes up revenue numbers
>>724476570
>>724477130Unable to modernize. The heads of Japanese companies refuse to go all in.
>>724476828You sound like a veteran gacha gamer and yeah, the other problem with these gameplay-focused gachas is that it's easier to piss people off with powercreep while no one really gives much of a fuck in something easy like FGO.
>>724474516Prologue and Renoa's trauma were good, Chapters 1~3 were mid.Chapter 4 is like FGO's Sakurai wrote it, everyone's IQ took a hit for the sake of it because the people that cleared the previous chapters wouldn't be the dumbasses in the 4th.
>>724476808>playing games with limited character designsLOL!
>>724477171Apparently a lot of people did because there wasn’t any open world gacha games with high production before Genshin.
>>724477130>Chinese devs are masters at copying and making more accessible>Korean devs are masters of predatory monetization (+ great at sexy designs)What does that leave Japan with?
>>7244376121 is not a gacha2 do not have gacha if you don't pay 800$ per monthone is a cute VN with retarded chibi and ton of way to get character
>>724477130making Pokemon
>>724477130making non-gacha gamesreleasing anime live service games is normal for korea so why are you surprised
>>724476828The thing that reddit and YouTube are attacking the game at is its goddamn awful monetization which makes Genshin look generous. The Japanese audience are without a doubt cuck and happy to be robbed. But even they have their limits.
>>724474586It depends on how well they coordinate and whether it's multiple co-writing stories or each writer having their own solo written ones. Both can be done well or poorly but I think many writers working solo trends more towards poorly.
>>724476571It's too different to be a genshin resking desu. Just by having no weapons on the banners and only characters and the dupes not being important makes it much different than hoyogames.>>724477130Being midbroken by the companies not trying to innovate at allhttps://www.gamesradar.com/games/rpg/following-black-myth-wukongs-success-and-hype-for-games-like-phantom-blade-japanese-devs-say-chinese-games-are-winning-thanks-to-crazy-ideas-that-would-never-get-approved-in-japan/https://automaton-media.com/en/news/if-youve-worked-on-a-chinese-game-youll-know-production-scale-is-on-a-whole-other-level-japanese-devs-discuss-growing-quality-of-chinese-games/
>>724477604Even the Japanese audience is pissed about the costs for Stella Sora. Game did not even reach top 20 sales on release.
>>724477652The problem with Japan is that the boomers within the companies are essentially strangling their younger staff members by not letting them pursue new things and instead tell them to keep doing what worked 10-20 years ago.
>>724477130Dying.Japanese xenophobia means that most never really tried to enter external markets and were content to fight amongst themselves leading to stagnation.Now that they finally decided to move their asses, everyone else has caught up or arguably even surpassed them.
>>724437612CZN is good, its really just the grind part and the actual story/writing that are bad. The latter is what actually pisses me off though, chapter 4 was genuinely so garbage that it made me dislike every single character involved with the exception of maybe Renoa but her character was also assassinated there along with everyone besides the blue haired pussy that "needed" his character development arc even though nothing even changed afterwards, he's still craving power by the end of chapter 4 so it was literally just a fucking filler chapter that made every character retarded for no reason
>>724477130They're stuck doing Idol gachas.
>>724477130Tribe Nine.lmao
>>724477945Them refusing to localize Kancolle and then taking years to do so with Umamusume pretty much proves Japanese devs are fine designing for Japan only
>>724474586It is. You need someone to lead them and give input vice and versa.FGO is the best example on why this can and cannot work. The difference from Nasu to Sakurai is like Heaven to Earth, but we also see how Higashide progressively became better with time. And in interviews we learn that when Sakurai uses someone else's character they tend to give her input in how to do so.Atlantis to Olympus is a polarized mess because of that. Nasu only gave the pointers for the writers and they had to work with each other, but took helm to write the Kirschtaria parts. Kirschtaria's past and true personality were by far the best part of the chapter but couldn't carry alone a piece of shit that was Olympus specially after Atlantis.Higashide wrote Atlantis and clearly knew what he had to set up for the little he knew of Olympus even explaining on interview he wasn't informed of some stuff which he had to work around of. He did a good job at that preparing everything. But when Sakurai wrote Olympus she wasted everything to the point of even forgetting some characters that were meant to be in Olympus and some subplots (like Achilles saying his shield was unavailable, Medea Lily made it to Olympus but wasn't even among the killcount).Multiple writers only work when you have a really good leader or when they watch out for each other. Someone that can't give will waste whatever he receives.
>>724478462Yeah, I'd say Higashide was the only non-Nasu writer landed his parts in the Lostbelt saga and he's a good fit for FGO because he has a knack for writing adventures.
>>724446792>>724446948Kill yourself
>>724478807do people ever get tired of spiderman leaving spider jizz ropes all over their buildings?
>>724475345The devs have said they heard the community expected a darker tone and said they'll adjust it to meet expectation from Ch 5 onwards.
>>724478998the jizzropes dissolve after some time has passed
I'll just stick to my favorite VN (and Azur Lane)
>>724475762Pre-release trailers were based on the idea of the lovecraft isekai writer that wrote the setting. But the nepotism writers got rid of him and now we are in this mess.
>>724478462>>724478778Is Higashide the same that wrote Apocrypha?
>>724479704Yeah, I heard that one was a mess lol.
>>724475996>doesn't focus on swapshit.Sounds like garbage that will get boring in 2 weeks for skillGODS. Dropped.
>>724475934Im just annoyed we're going to get a bunch of retards who think CZN did it first and that deception engine will get flak for a AA dev not having the same animation quality as the dev team of a predatory gacha game.>>724473730It takes time mainly from what resources are good and what arnt and how some Investigators function Phoenix and Momori being brain filters for some people. you'll be fine on normal. its really the expert mode + endgame of BloodMist4 thats tougher
>>724480138>Im just annoyed we're going to get a bunch of retards who think CZN did it firstRoguelike mode letting you keep the decks you have? Yeah I never seen that in any game honestly.Stop seething already. Game's good.
>>724479704Yeah. Most of his stuff seem to be apology letters to Apocrypha when he reuses those characters like Avicebron hard carrying LB1.Traum is basically the Apocrypha Apology Chapter with the magnitude of an actual war of multiple factions and emphasis on teamwork and strategy, showing the Black Faction servants were REALLY good at widespread multiple fronts combat.
>>724480138Gotcha, thanks!
>>724440138typical woman
>>724475996I wonder how much I'll be able to enjoy it as someone who didn't play Arknights, I went to /akg/ to ask about the writing like two years ago and everyone just told me it was shit so I'm not sure how much of the story they'll get right, the issue with CN gachas is that the story is mediocre but the word count is fucking absurd on all of them, as if the writer gets paid on word count or some shit
>>724480095>"skill">all this eyerape just to juggle some F tier enemy that barely fights back to begin with>inputs are literally m1 m1 m1 m1 m1 m1 m1 with an occasional swap, E or Q in between
>>724478807sony funded this shit so kill yourself to you too
>>724481414>I don't understand what is happening so i'm just going to make a post spewing retarded monkey noisesok
I've said it before and I'll say it again: you can only get excited for anime girls with guns and/or swords so many times. The market hit the threshold and now everyone is getting bored and leaving.
>>724481932>I've said it before and I'll say it again: you can only get excited forvaginas so many times. The market hit the threshold and now everyone is gay.
>>724478998spiderman webs will dissolve by themselves eventually otherwise all the people he sticks would starve to death
>try out can>like renoa's design>have to pull for herThat is very rude of them to do. I might as well save up the free summoning things for swimsuit outfits or something.Also, is there a spot that specifically tells you what all these resources do? I didnt see one in the tutorials tab. Some of them i still haven't figured out and the only use ive found for the crystals you get flooded with are for refilling the energy, and maybe pulling?
>>724481815Point out what it is that you don't think I understand, I'm curious to see what you think is skill at play here.You can't pull that shit off on a boss, nor is it a tactic you can employ against anything in the game because things die before you even get one dumb-ass rotation in, or things that have more HP simply superarmor through your attacks that aren't counters or breaksBasically, that video is literally pointless showcasing of flashy animations, with the only thing being done to appear skilled is keeping a combo going (against a pleb enemy that would have died on the first second mark if that was actual gameplay instead of showing off)
>>724482429>Also, is there a spot that specifically tells you what all these resources do?When you enter a page to upgrade characters, to roll for characters etc. you should see an icon of the materials on the top.You can also simply tap on them and it tells you directly.In upgrade pages you can also tap on the materials and it tells you where to farm them and directly brings you there.>CrystalsSave them for rolls exclusively. The ones for Limited banner (blue material). If you're a whale you can use them for stamina refreshes but I don't think it's worth it.
>>724481932>you can only get excited for anime girls with guns and/or swords so many times>you can only get excited for girls with guns and/or swords so many times>you can only get excited for guns and/or swords so many times>you can only get excited so many times
>>724483075He's not wrong though? People already have their anime waifus with guns and the new ones look like their anime waifus.
>>724482429>Love Renoa>Managed to get her on the 50 pulls>Get another 5 star after 40 pulls>Another Renoa>No longer love her
>>724437612Meanwhile 0 good non-gacha games were released in october.
>>724479526>Voyna MashinaPFFFFFFT
/czn/>huge bug where like 30% of the user accounts got randomly deleted >devs couldn't restore them>players that don't like furries dropped the game>players that don't like waifus with canon husbands dropped the game>also the installer looks literally like early 2000s malware/dna/>3D models and open world look worse compared to other games>plays worse than warframe (direct competitor) and is more expensive in comparison>skins don't show enough fanservice and look more like the Infinity Nikky skins for girls>loli models are very censored >some people bricked their PC drivers by installing the game>some people bricked their keyboards because the game forcefully changed their keybinds randomly
>>724482429>>724483075You guys are taking what I said too literally. At the end of the day, Gacha games are selling you anime characters and player power. All well and good until you come to the realization that the game is not as exciting as it used to be, and the new characters don't bring any hype.
>>724477130They're playing it smart and not bothering to release in the west as to avoid dumb controversy
>>724437923Ironic you would bother complaining about dudes in chaos zero but not the dogshit writing or AI-looking generic ass female characters
>>724483701They also forgot that players already have their home games.
>>724483649Only the 6th time I've seen this post.
>>724461634This game is the reason I even picked up czn. Love Chrono Ark
>>724476359>Endfield has all the factory part of itthis shit will catch on as well as TV in ZZZ did
>>724437612Propedeutical decantation
>>724480095Absolute diarrhea Christmas lights.
>>724437612I'm here to gloat, the Umamusume game, DB legends, Pokemon masters and Persona 5 X Is doing well and here you are worried about new game launches when I'm basically waiting for Digimon Allyson
>tfw want to make Tressa useful but no Hugosure I can just slap Mika and Cassius with her to make the team kind of work but she feels very underwhelming as the only dealer
>>724485010I found she does alright with Eloise. Tressa's bmjust been overall really good for me, but im only level 22 so maybe thats why.What does Hugo do?Also, what do i do with all these extra copies of partners? I have 5 copies of some of them.
>>724477130>what is Japan doing?competency crisis. even their non-gacha games are absolute trash now with DEI-mandate
>>724477431Chinese and Korean games are also appropriating the Japanese language where JP is the default if not the only voice acting option. Japan has nothing left. everything has been taken away from them. cuck nation.
>gacha thread>open it>words words words words baits >455/95 ratioPost sexy webms and erotic pictures of pure maidens wtf?
>>724484970>Digimon Allysonfloppity flop
>>724482429I got Renoa, but got bricked by multiple homos afterwards. I want to restart and reroll, but don't want to go through all the tutorial again. I'll just buy an account once the honeymoon phase is over.
>>724485427they shuld just ban Japanese voice actors from working for China or Korea. Their gacha industry would collapse overnight except for Reverse 1999
>>724465108cool, but it's a gacha so eventually the power creep will get so bad it won't be worth playing anymore. crazy how this doesn't happen in normal games.
>>724483204same but with all videogames
>>724485484
>>724486423>crazy how this doesn't happen in normal games.>chapter 1: hunt rats in the sewer>chapter 15: kill god
Why do all gacha stories feel exactly the same? This is why I just skip 90% of the dialogue.
>>724486943you know what power creep means stop trying to pretend you don't
>>724486769Based Liz
>>724486967Cause Gacha stories exist mostly as advertisements for the waifus, rather than to tell something meaningful.
>>724437612Nikke will survive all the gachas dying around it.
How do you have so much free time to play so many gacha?
>>724484296Since day one Endfield has been advertised as having all the factory and has been stated that half the game will be combat and the other half will be the factory. Even after the beta test, the survey had a lot of questions about how to continue to improve it. I really have no idea why anyone who isn't interested in this would even try the game to complaim about it
>>724487734By playing just r1999 where the dailies are 5-10 minutes tops
>>724482796>i'm horribly autistic and can't fathom anyone enjoying combo videosStop fucking replying dude
As someone that loved playing StS and Chrono Ark, CZN is really good, shame about it being gacha though but what can you do...
>>724452486I saw this crazy discard build that had some punch loli doing like 12 attacks in a row.
>>724487734watching wokeslop streams on twitchtv takes longer than doing gacha dailies
>>724488328you should try Morimens, its a gacha game but its super f2p friendly because its made by 1 guy like Chrono Ark was. Theres also no voice acting for the same reason.
CZN question: do I avoid Elite Nodes like a plague or is there more rewards like guaranteed epiphany in clearing them?
>>724488784no
>>724489107>reddit
>>724488919Depends on Chaos you're in and how deep you are into the run, and how well your squad can deal with elites that spawn. I fight all elites in chaos 1 and 3 and avoid in second half of 2 and 4 (haven't seen chaos 5 yet). Elites give equipment/more credits.
>>724489094I would still be playing BD2 if I didn't already have more than enough gachas to do dailies in, the fact that it lacks a PC client is also a shame. I still remember being completely baffled at Wilhelmina's anus opening up when she stretches her pants on her skill cutscene, BD2 is on a whole other level when it comes to fanservice, its like playing a fucking porn game, its a shame that its playerbase is apparently retarded and there's like 30% of survey-takers in that game which said there should be more relationships between the characters and other males in the game, fucking stupid cuckold retards.
>>724490862It has an official PC client though. Steam version was also teased recently.
>>724491121It does? damn, if it releases on steam I think I'll pick it back up then, getting to literally have sex with Angelica sounds pretty good too, she was my first SSR girl in that game, it was her swimsuit version all the way back when the game came out. I came back for Loen in her bunny suit, farmed a bit then quit again because I was sick of having to open up the emulator to play it
>>724491380I just wanted to post the 3rd one too
I don't mind dudes in gachas.
>>724491547Fucking insane, kek, its like there's nothing holding them back at all
sex sex sex with mei lin
>>724491771I don't mind if they were separate banners like in Mahjong Soul.I do mind when I keep getting spooked by males.
>>724491771gacha games need more femboys
>>724477130Japs don't even make good anime style games anymore. It's all low budget games like Trails or Neptunia.
>>724491771I mind because they invite women and fags who will try to censor female characters.
>>724437612>Is the industry dying?god I fucking hope sobut the yearly earnings rankings we see in Japan suggest no. It's just the market has largely been captured by the big titles.
>>724492692true
>>724465701>gacha>peoplekek, lel even
>>724437612The only gacha games anyone needs are either HSR or Snobble.HSR has ridiculously hard endgame content while Snobble has the best fanservice you could want.Everything else is cope.
I do think know why they even put these games on mobile. Even with all the assists playing Destiny Risinf or Duet Night Abyss on a touch screen is cumbersome and awful.
TOMORROW'S SENSOR TOWER INCLUDES THESE NEW GAMES?
>>724469830at least most of the interaction with them is through audio and their pics on the ego bars, and the jpn voices arent too bad (other than hugo of course)
>>724493106majority of asians still play this on their phones because they dont have PCs
>>724493043>ridiculously hard endgame contentyou mean the artificial blooated hp shit they keep increasing to sell the new characters? What's hard about pulling the new character they want?
>>724471518Deception engine? Same genre right?
>>724494227Not falling for whale bait is part of the difficulty, yes.It's fun and rewarding to clear new content with older teams.
>>724493390yes
>>724437612>TrickalMeme game also devs were playing arknights on stream rather than talking about the game>Stella SoraYoStar scam>Chaos Zero NightmarePretty okay slay the spire clone so far hoping it gets better and doesn't shit the bed>Duet Night AbyssIt's literally anime warframe it's as boring or good as it gets depending on your mindset for this type of game
>>724440138This overly realistic portrayal of women in video games bothers me a little bit
>>724488272>shit the bed after getting trash eyerape effects compilation deconstructed by someone who actually knows what's happening>y-you're autistic for pointing it out!
>>724494484>>Stella Sora>YoStar scamtake you'are reddit opinion back there
>>724493043snowbreak is being pummeled by horizon walker, brown dust 2 and seaslug itself, it has nothing now
DNA won bigly
