>everyone upgraded to W11>no one switched to Linuxface it, Linux will never take of, especially because of anti-cheat on mp
I didn't downgrade to W11.
>>724440652>everyone >no one >source? my ass
I haven't downgraded to 10 or 8 either. I had to remove my Arch install a few years ago but not because it sucked that much. Got a few ideas regarding how I intend to move forward and nothing beyond 7 is involved.
I went to linux.
I'm on linux though
>>724440652i would switch to linux if it workedI'm not getting my arch dualboot install borked a third time, not happening
i've been on linux for ages.i'll probably have to stop using it, though.
>>724441615That's fake btw
>>724440652Werks for me, I don't care how many users it has otherwise.
you have to install your os? lol
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>>724440652I recently moved to Mint since I am an autist who only plays Minecraft and old games via emulators which both conveniently supports Linux, I don't need much else
I don't play any game that needs kernel level anticheats.Dbd works fine and dota 2 doesn't need it. CS2 doesn't need it.What other game even needs anticheat? Nothing worth playing.W11 days are numbered because steamOS is coming.
>>724441538>dualbootIt's windows fucking up your Linux drive, this nigga didn't even read the wiki
>>724442008Microsoft would assassinate Gaben and join with Blackrock for a hostile takeover of Valve
>>724442076no it's not, it's from me not updating archwindows nuking grub is something i can fix chrooting, this isn't
>>724441729oh, good.i was worried i'd have to buy a mac
>>724440652>>everyone upgraded to W11Fuck no, I'm on W10 IoT LTSC Enterprise
>>724440652I'm still on W10 tho.
>>724440652>everyone upgraded to W11I absolutely refuse to move to W11 after dealing with having to reinstall the OS on my sister's laptop twice because of bitlocker. Currently using 10 IoT LTSC, once support for that OS is completely dead, I'll switch to Linux because I have no hope whatsoever that Microsoft will improve anymore.
>>724442105Likelier outcome is after mossad bumps off Gabe, Larry Ellison buys remaining shares off his son and others.Israel gotta have their global surveillance one way or another.
>>724440652Games are honestly the least of Linux's problems. Linux gaming is on inherently better footing than Windows for the long term because of how Wine works (stuff can be contained into their own prefixes, different versions of Windows software more or less on equal as far as Wine is concerned vs. actual Windows compatibility with old software getting worse and worse, etc).No, Linux is shit at everything else. Basically there would have to be a distro where they do away with the retarded eunuchs file hierarchy like GoboLinux, make the file system case insensitive like in Windows (SteamOS does this iirc), and uses a DE like KDE but not ran by retarded jeets.
>>724442167i update my arch laptop like once a year bro
>>724440652both are true because im still on w10, you expected people to do something?
>>724442615>make the file system case insensitive like in Windowslearn your options for filesystems and then you'll realize how retarded you areits very simple to do
>>724440652>retardim using arch rn nigger
>>724442615>do away with the retarded eunuchs file hierarchyI'm not going to claim the linux filesystem is organized well, but uh... we are comparing to Windows here? Between AppData, My Games, Documents, and the weird Program Files buggy overlay VFS thing it has. Everything about it is a fucking shitpost. Not even counting comedy like how 64-bit stuff goes in win32 and 32-bit goes in SysWOW64.
>>724442687that's bullshit
>>724443068is it?it only gets used once or twice a year when traveling
>>724440652It will never take off because games dont work without jumping through hoops, it will remain the hipster OS.
>>724443028is W11 just skins over skins over skins of W10?like what's the fucking idea with right click menu?
Not everyone :)
>>724440652Good, because the second too many normies get into anything, it goes to utter dogshit.Case in point: The internet.
>>724440652I went back to windows 11 after just too much stuff I need doesn’t work on Linux. Would genuinely love to switch back to linux but there is just so much hassle to use it that I just grew tired of it.
>>724441615
>>724440652Linux will never take off because 99.9% of computer users don't give a single fuck about stuff like>>724442615>Basically there would have to be a distro where they do away with the retarded eunuchs file hierarchy like GoboLinux, make the file system case insensitive like in Windows (SteamOS does this iirc), and uses a DE like KDE but not ran by retarded jeetsand>>724443028>Between AppData, My Games, Documents, and the weird Program Files buggy overlay VFS thing it has. Everything about it is a fucking shitpost. Not even counting comedy like how 64-bit stuff goes in win32 and 32-bit goes in SysWOW64.This doesn't matter in the slightest to normal users, who navigate and work with computers entirely through a GUI. Serious question to Linux users: What does Linux offer to the average person that isn't being provided by OSX or Windows? Not a power user or hobbyist, the average person including your friend's idiot mother.
until there's a video editing program that's as easy to use as vegas on linux, I'm not budging from windows.and dont recommend da vinci, it's shit.
>>724443546replace GUI with browser and then you'll realize OS doesn't even matterthey just use their phones anyway
>>724443665Also clip studio paint.>t. /ic/ crab
>>724443665da vinci is amazing, fuck youit was a great decision for me to move from premiere to it
I have my 80 year old grandma and my wife on linux and I barely every have to help them do anything. Most people just don't consider it thats all.
>>724443665That's what I've been seeing as an unfortunate issue with Linux, people really want to sell the OS as a great gaming alternative, but for any other kind of professional use, I keep seeing complains about the lack of Linux-dedicated programs. Sometimes I feel that people who shill Linux don't understand that many PC users are more than either just casuals who use an internet browser to watch videos, or gamers.
>>724443836vegas is so intuitive that my smooth monkey brain can easily use it without any tutorial.for da vinci, doing the simpliest things require extra steps most of which are not intuitive at all and that pisses me off.
>>724442865>its very simple to do *pushes up glasses*># mkfs.ext4 -O casefold /dev/nvme0n1p2You are so heckin smart dude.>>724443028This is GoboLinux's https://wiki.gobolinux.org/Getting-Started/GoboLinux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/index.html>>724443546It takes a smart person to design a system usable by retards. All of the shit you take for granted was built after years of planning, testing, and worrying about what the 99.9% computer USERS don't give a single fuck about.A retard like you would design something like Unix.
Why do GNU/Linux chads cause so much seethe?
>>724444095he read the instructions, what a good boy!
>>724443923Professionals don't tend to use their gaming PC to do work.
>>724443694Even further to my point. Most computers are essentially internet terminals now with how they're used. Does Linux do this better?>>724444095>It takes a smart person to design a system usable by retards. All of the shit you take for granted was built after years of planning, testing, and worrying about what the 99.9% computer USERS don't give a single fuck about.A retard like you would design something like UnixTypical Linux user: insult anyone who questions the OS's utility. You didn't answer the question btw. Again, what does Linux provide to the average user that isn't being fulfilled by Windows or OSX? I'm being serious here, I don't know so I'm asking Linux users.
>>724443665>>724443302Ez just run it inside a windoes virtual machine
>>724444835>Does Linux do this better?it does it without requiring extra spyware and arbitrary hardware upgrades that don't matter for the browser user
Linux mint does everything my old windows 8.1 did so I'm completely happy.Except it randomly ends up in a stutter loop and crashes in some games, which forces a reboot which is inconvenient, but only rarely.Small small price to pay to not give Netanyahu my data.
>>724445035Okay that's something. Although is that an issue with the OS itself or the company Microsoft?
>>724445171>Although is that an issue with the OS itself or the company Microsofyes
>>724443665that looks the same as davinci
>>724440652I switched to Linux
>>724444095>It takes a smart person to design a system usable by retards.It also takes retards to push the bar even lower. Into the negatives, even. Example: Yes, do as I say!
>>724440652Linux will never take off because Valve's endgame is to create Android for gaming. Sure, it'll technically be Linux, but it will also be unusable without Valve's proprietary extensions.
>>724444835Who the fuck even cares about the average user? I kinda care about how it is for me. I'm having fun using my computer again, last time I had this much fun windows xp wasn't even released. Being able to do whatever you want with your computer is nice, locked down retard proofed walled gardens are not.
>>724440652I did. Fuck MS for ruining Windows forever.
>>724445391>but it will also be unusable without Valve's proprietary extensions.ah yes, the proprietary extensions...https://github.com/ValveSoftware/gamescopehttps://github.com/ValveSoftware/Protonhttps://github.com/ValveSoftware/dxvkhttps://github.com/ValveSoftware/Fossilizehttps://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-runtimehttps://github.com/ValveSoftware/vkd3d
>>724445391You can already play phone games on PC. Google Play released recently
>>724444835>Typical Linux user: insult anyone who questions the OS's utility.So you are actually retarded. Linux is a Unix-like. I'm saying a retard (yes, like you) would design something like Linux. Why? Because computers are not user friendly by default. They have to be made that way. How? By caring about shit 99.9% of computer users wouldn't care about.>>724445387>erm you were supposed to just know that installing steam could possibly uninstall your desktop environment, and you were supposed to know that you could have switched tty to reinstall the desktop environment, and you were supposed to know what that desktop environment's exact package name would be when it was installed automatically by the distro and you don't have a web browser anymore.Yep, another retard that would design something like Linux. Do you think Windows has gotten worse because of the "tech illiterate normies"? Windows has only gotten harder to use since 7.
>>724445734All I'm saying reading is not to be expected of the modern user.
>>724440652I'm on Linux right now.>muh e-sportsLiterally sub-human.
I've been on Linux for almost 2 years
>>724445656I can believe I can finally play Fire Emblem Heroes on PC. Nintendo is gonna freak.
>>724445893I'm sorry to hear that
I'll switch when it has out-of-the-box application/game support, not some shitty emulator that deletes 25% of my framerate.
>>724445734>you don't have a web browser anymore.I would agree with this part if it was 20 years ago. In Linus' case he didn't have to switch to a TTY since it dropped him into one, which was also shown logged in.
>>724445580>BSD licenselmao
>>724445985Wine is not an emulator
>install linux>get bombarded with donation requestsMakes sense since the target audience also likes to donate to streamers
>>724446190Whatever it is, it's not working
>>724446014Here's a tech tip for Linus.
I think Linux makes /v/ seethe so much because they can't follow basic instructions.
>>724446343Imagine having to ask chatgpt to help you install something as trivial as Steam because it somehow literally destroyed your desktop so bad that you need to reinstall the desktop and graphic drivers. What a fucking joke.
linux users often fail to understand that an operating system is a means to an end.nobody needs to have to "learn linux", read manuals, figure out how to configure and fix basic things with obscure config files or commands that you cannot be reasonably expected to intuit but must almost always look up as a novice. it's one thing to have it as a hobby, but as soon as your goal is anything beyond "using linux in and of itself", it becomes an obstacle rather than the invisible tool it's meant to serve as.
>>724446595Yet they learned to use Windows.Curious.
>>724446582Imagine having to ask ChatGPT anything. Retards are either retarded or the smartest people alive, but only when it's convenient for them.
>>724446625most don't even manage to learn Windows or OSXit just comes on the computer they started with and they barely function with that as it is
>>724446343>linux users are so smart!>uses chatgpthmmmmmmmm
>>724446896How else is the innocent user going to solve the greentext clusterfuck from >>724445734
>>724446832If you don't manage to learn windows then you're constantly asking someone else to fix your shit for you and they won't love you for it. I've helped people who never learned it, it's a nightmare.
>>724443028desu I was responding to someone who thought that linux's "file hierarchy" was an issue. I agree nobody cares, although desu, it is genuinely a pain to find shit on Windows. Something as simple as screenshots from a game can be anywhere. AppData is especially ridiculous because it's completely hidden unless you magically know about it, and games put all kinds of important shit there. VirtualStore and the weird protected folder shit also bit me a couple times with old games. You can get into truly baffling situations.
>>724446972>I've helped people who never learned it, it's a nightmare.as the family tech nerd I know how this feels, trust me
>>724446625windows doesn't require the learning that linux does, and it's everywhere, the default choice. you have to go out of your way to switch.
>>724447180>windows doesn't require the learning that linux doesWhy do schools have entire classes dedicated to teaching people how to use it then?
Linux doesn't require the learning that Windows does.What a versatile statement.
>>724447180something like ubuntu or mint are very easy to just use and never touch the terminal with in generalthere are plenty of distros that give you a gui for 99% of tasks, even complex ones in the case of something like OpenSUSE
havent felt the need to since im on w11 iot ltsc, wish i could but some software i use doesnt gel well with wine and i like playing skate and fortnite sometimes with my friends (its slop ik)
>n-words say gaming on Linux is excellent if not better than on Windows>go to the project page of the people working on making this happen>nothing we can do about it sadly it's just better on windowshttps://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk/issues/5298'avin a giggle at linuxtroons
>>724445815I'm pretty sure when I still used Windows 10 I read a whole lot more, and use the command line way more often than I ever did on 7 or XP. GUI has regressed a lot, and it isn't just the "normies" but it is also that it's hard to make good GUI and developers just aren't capable of doing it anymore.>>724446014>I would agree with this part if it was 20 years ago.I'm not sure by what you mean. I meant as in he didn't have access to a web browser (to him it would be the same as not having it at all). Obviously even if PopOS had something like lynx he couldn't use it or even know about it to begin with.>In Linus' case he didn't have to switch to a TTY since it dropped him into one, which was also shown logged in.I don't remember seeing a prompt, but that's besides the point because he wouldn't know what to do anyway. No new person would, they would just turn off the computer. >>724446625Linux users think learning more to do less is genuis. "Learning" as in memorizing a bunch of commands and their options and retarded unixisms. Meanwhile mathematicians learn the most complicated body of knowledge known to mankind and whenever they are using a computer they aren't learning the fucking OS itself but the software on top of it.
>>724447227is that a burger thing?
>>724447180It does. The only reason you think it doesn't is because you already know how to use it, so you don't need to learn much anymore.I literally had classes in school to learn windows and windows software.
>>724447431>Meanwhile mathematicians learn the most complicated body of knowledge known to mankind and whenever they are using a computer they aren't learning the fucking OS itself but the software on top of it.Every mathematician I know uses Linux.
>>724447431>I'm not sure by what you mean.
>>724447419It's an entire operating system built on contrarianism, what did you expect?
I still get mad when zoomers say application instead of program.
>>724440652these threads are so annoying. Use whatever you want, no one gives a shit. It's unironically like making a thread saying "4chan will never be mainstream, switch to reddit or twitter instead.">>724441538you're doing that to yourself using arch. Unless you have a usecase that requires you to have all of the latest bleeding edge updates (including the bugs they come with), there's no reason to use arch.>>724445985benchmarks show most games either run the same, slightly better, or sometimes slightly worse. Most of the time it's within the margin of error. You shouldn't notice a difference in most cases.
>>724447579>in most cases>on average>sometimesNo thanks, I'll be sticking with the OS where everything works out of the box.
>>724447579>4chan will never be mainstreamanon... I...
>>724447638How did you make that post then?
>>724447579>4chan will never be mainstreamWho's gonna tell him
>>724447638>I'll be sticking with the OS where everything works out of the box.Mac?
>>724447487my profs were 50/50 mac/linux
>>724447725No? What makes you say that? I would just have to emulate windows programs with apple as well.
>>724440652I'm trying linux right now and tbdesu it's shit. Nothing works right and everything is like a retard version of windows. Like it's trying to appeal to windows users but it's so buggy and shitty. It's just not polished and kernel level anti cheat doesn't even work right so I can't play my games. I'm supposed to believe this is better than windows? lol yeah right this shit is ass
>>724447803Because Windows sure as shit doesn't have everything work out of the box especially nowadays.
>>724447579>4chan will never be mainstreamthis ship sailed long ago
>>724447579>you're doing that to yourself using arch. Unless you have a usecase that requires you to have all of the latest bleeding edge updates (including the bugs they come with), there's no reason to use arch.arch is the only distro where i can consistently find answers to my problems by googling, it's unironically the most beginner friendly linux distro, also there is not a single good distro, not one
>>724447638Lmk when you find that OS, I'm interested.
>>724447839Example? I haven't had an application that just wouldn't work since I tried to play a winxp game.
>>724447801I don't really talk to the profs so can't comment but my mates in the department all use some variety of Linux, same with robotics peeps and most in comp sci.
>>724447450nobody has ever been told to "read the manual" to accomplish something on windows.you might be confusing "doesn't require learning to the extent that linux does" with "doesn't require learning, at all, whatsoever, period". and ignoring the "it's the default" part entirely. it's a significant factor. OSes do not exist in a vacuum. it's basically always "switch to", and never "start on" linux. if linux was the dominant one, it would be different. although the fact that linux requires more effort would still remain true.
>>724447942>anon folded under zero pressure
>>724447942This was last week.Also Word and Outlook both barely work now especially if you try to use the search function to find a fucking email.
>>724447970>nobody has ever been told to "read the manual" to accomplish something on windows.the manual for windows is all the jeet responses to support questions about any little problem windows users havethe answers have varying degrees of usefulness
>>724447970>nobody has ever been told to "read the manual" to accomplish something on windows.Then why are there entire websites and books dedicated to Windows support?
I like to use my computer, not just spending hours trying to make it possible to use it.Real answer though, the compatability is a rough hurdle to overcome. From all the software I use, to drivers to external hardware, backward compatability for earlier projects I've worked on and so on. Just isnt even feasable unless I want to spend 2 years learning equivelant software on Linux, which often is a inferior open source dogshit that hasnt been updated since 2016 or doesnt exist at all. And then I'll have to bridge the hurdle of working across two operating systems and transfering files back and forth every time I need to do something I cant do on Linux because they still exist in 2012.
The post lost merit when it started with "nobody has ever"
>>724447970That's cuz windows manual is kinda shit. You have to supplement it with Google sometimes to figure out all the undocumented stuff or shit that's just plain confusing. Also windows logs are shitty and not at all human readable so good luck figuring out issues without trial and error.Btw you don't need manual for Linux any more than you need it for windows, I've been able to use retarded windows processes to figure out Linux and openbsd too.
>>724448087>I like to use my computer, not just spending hours trying to make it possible to use it.Then you should get a Mac and game on consoles because they're only systems that are ready out of the box nowadays.
>>724447860>>724447716>>7244476414chan is a not a mainstream website people use. It has a low marketshare the same way linux does, even though you'll find linux videos with millions of views. Very few people use 4chan compared to other websites/forums.>>724447638there's no os like that. A quick look on any steam forum for most games will show you loads of windows users having issues, especially for older games. And I'm not talking that old, even games from like 10 years ago.But yeah, use whatever you like. I personally find both mac and windows infuriating.
>>724448093i'm not going to add "almost" to every single fucking sentence just to acknowledge that exceptions exist when it's already obvious and always implied.
>>724448326>4chan is a not a mainstream website people use.Yes it absolutely is. Especially /pol/. >other websites/forums>forumsHoly fuck this anon is posting from 2005
>>724448365So we can both agree an improperly configured Steam package limited to PopOS, for a small window of time also unfortunately shipped in an ISO, does not represent the entire Linux experience?
>>724448382It's not chud, the amount of people coming to this website weekly is a drop in the bucket compared to the traffic twitter and reddit get.It's culturally influential but most people don't use it. Ironically the same way linux is widely used to run the internet behind the scenes but most people don't use it on the desktop.
>>724442615As an artist unless I plan to use Krita and Blender for most shit I'm kinda fucked, Affinity "runs" but I doubt it will still be purchaseable for a fair price in the foreseeable future, I haven't heard nice shit of Clip Studio eitherNot having windows bloatware does sound pretty nifty tho
>>724440652make KinitoPET and games like it run on Linux and I will daily drive it on my main PC today.
>>724440652>Linux will never take of,good, keep your malware on shitdows
>>724448485what makes you think this is in any way relevant to what i was talking about?
>>724448624nothing at all anon. sorry.
>>724443665Davinci is pretty solid as a video editorBut doing motion graphic shit with its nodes makes me want to pull my hair out, Honestly I'd feel more comfortable just using blender for that
>>724448326>4chan is a not a mainstream website people usePeople might not 'use' it regularly but everybody who engages with internet culture knows what an imageboard is, knows what 4chan is, and probably lurks here from time to time. This absolutely wasn't the case a decade ago.
>>724446595Mate, linux mint offer a fucking app store if you are too scared to use the terminal, you can't make it easier than that.
>>724448574I think there's already malware targeting package managers
>>724448774No, there is malware you can install using a package manager (if you want to). There is also one known supply chain attack, but it had minimal impact.
>>7244485264chan is consistently among the top websites in terms of traffic, you don't know what you're talking about. It's not at the very top, but it's up there. Everyone knows about it. Literal grandmas know about and use this site to get their politics fix.
>>724448751You say that but Linus ultimately googled how to install Steam from the terminal and changed Linux's trajectory forever. Retards WILL find a way to play the victim.
>>724448751okay, great, you can install a program. if your app store doesn't happen to be broken for one reason or another. that's cool.i'm sure that one function covers literally anything that you might ever possibly need.
Does linux have something equivalent to an .exe where you can double click and have the installer do the rest?
>>724449047.deb, .rpm, .flatpakrefuhhhhh.sh.appimage.run.exe
>>724449047No. See this post >>724449043
>>724449043What tranny-free OS do you use, anon?
>>724449041Somebody sure is grumpy she got BTFO on a topic she knows nothing about.
>>724449128He's probably on templeos.
>>724449096.exe only run in wine don't they and are all the others readily available on main webpages for popular apps?
>>724448907>4chan is consistently among the top websites in terms of trafficIT'S NOTI don't think 4chan is even in the top 300 in terms of actual traffic. Everyone knows it but it's not being used at the same level as other websites. These days twitter is basically /pol/ 2.0 anyway so I don't think even that part of it is bringing in users like it used to.
>>724449047AppimageDebFlatpakrpm>>724449116Why do 4tranners love to just say factually wrong things for attention?
>>724449047Yes, or you can use the software center in an OS like Mint. Search for a program, click Install, it then installs it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW4SnVES7rc
>>724449186>.exe only run in wineYes so if you have an exe installer, it'll exe.>are all the others readily available on main webpages for popular apps?Depends but at worst you'd find them in the web version of the package repo.
>>724449128God forbid a multibillion dollar company panders to gays. Desktop Linux is literally built by and for trannies, it’s a server OS but god is the desktop experience on *nix dogshit hotdog water
>>724449182>Windows 7 isn't pozzedIt's functionally a chink botnet
>>724449186Popular things are in the package manager. Going to a web page to DL crap is way too inconvenient.
>>724440652>>no one switched to LinuxNo i specifically swapped to linux because of windows 11 and i dont fucking care of i cant play multiplayer slop with kernel level spyware masquarading as protection from cheaters.
>>724449182>Windows 7
>>724449186Deb and appimage are both incredibly common on sites.
>>724449310>bro got his SSDs fixed
>>724449294>Desktop Linux is literally built by and for tranniesLinux provides the freedom to use a distro that's created by and for chuds
>>724449294>it's okay when we like tranniesWhy are people here so obsessed with trannies and just devolve everything down to "you like thing? Well here's a tranny that does"
>>724449346huh?
>>724449361
>>724449146strange of you to narrate in third person all of a sudden.
>>724449310>FedoraJust in time for their announcement that they're using AI for development just like jeetdows
>>724449392Uh oh someone had a trannymoment
>>724449047Not really. Like I am using been Cachyos for a couple of weeks so I may be wrong but all the apps that I installed don't come with a installer. For example if you want to install firefox, you open the terminal, type "sudo pacman -S firefox" than you type your password than you wait for it install and it's ready to use.
>>724448542Isn’t affinity killed? Something happening to clip studio paint right now?
>>724449360because there is no actual argument for not using linux anymore and they know it. it used to be that you couldnt play most games but they dont even have that anymore. Now its literally>you cant play these specific online multiplayer games with kernel anticheat
>>724449407>still seethingMaybe try learning something before posting, wincel.
>>724449420This is not like Jeetdows. Jeetdows pushes out whatever it wants and doesn't even tell you.
>>724449420Fedora was always pozzed thoughever
>>724449392>>724449182>>724449043>[Deleted]Get FUCKED
>>724449447listen lil nigga, you can use a gui front-end to install programs too. Look up some of the ones you can download for arch if you want one.
>>724449450Affinity MIGHT be killed, we won't know till the 30th For Clip Studio nothing has gone wrong, I just don't think it runs propper on Linux
>>724449447>I may be wrongYou are.
>>724449420well, if fedora ever goes to shit because of AI coding, theres like 30 other distros that can take its place, im not too attached to it but it works for now. Because its open source, unlike windows, any ai assisted shitty code will be detected most likely.
>>724449504what did anon post?
>>724445003My monkey brain too stupid to learn virtual machine and I’m too much of a bitch to try for fear of fucking up my system somehow.
>>724449558fedora is the best no one can take its place.unironically
I tried installing arch and the install itself went fine but I wanted to install hyprland and kept getting a keypair issue for a specific sort of key and this happened on multiple different installs using different install methods after the first time setting it up manually I couldn't be fucked doing it again so I used the community installer
>>724449479i don't even understand why you're throwing a tantrum.
>>724449558If you want a distro that just works and is stable, use Debian. If you want Debian but more of an easymode experience, use Mint. FEDora is going the way of Ubuntu. >But isn't Mint Ubuntu-based?They forked away before Canonical's bullshit, you can also just use LMDE
>>724449530If clip studio paint announces linux support I’ll go back to linux.After I figure out a retard proof way to go back to my current windows 11 if I fuck up badly on linux.
>>724449667You're the one who threw a tantrum wouldn't exposed to the fact you can use app stores on Linux because it hurt your narrative.
>Intuitive and easy to use>Piracy is as easy as in Windows>It has all the programs you could ever need>Rock-solid unix kernel>No AI jeetwareCome home, anons
>>724449650Don't use Arch unless you're willing to constantly tinker and fix things. The Arch devs themselves have constantly warned newbies to expect to have to fix stuff on their own, especially after updates.
>>724449509>>724449535See? It can be even easier than that if you want.
>>724449738>no games
>>724449738>>No AI jeetwareIt has had AI in it since 2020
>>724449763Valve's working on it
>>724449738>>Piracy is as easy as in Windowseven a Hackintosh was a pain in the dick and now basically impossible
>>724449756I was ready to tinker though, but every time I looked for some potential cause/fix all i got was>just update your keyring bro
>>724449810You don't have to buy MacOS. Every update is free because you pay so much for the hardware.
>>724449827Yep, that's the Arch experience
>>724449827Well did you update the keyring?Or remove and refresh it?
>>724449738>Intuitive and easy to useyou can't even change the volume levels for different programs. You can't right click in finder to create a text file, you also can't sort by a specific file type (they group all files together even if they have different extensions).Also I hate having to do cryptic keyboard shortcuts for things like turning on hidden files and letting you run a program they consider "untrusted" (even after you allow it in the settings).Also the root directly is forced to be read only for "security reasons" and you literally can't change it.I fucking hate this os so much you have no idea. I want to pull my hair out when I use it.
Any linux users in here? My pc uses an nvidia graphics card and I’m not sure how linux support for such cards is compared to amd is there really a difference worthy of concern?
What's the /v/erdict?
>>724449827
>>724449902both, and I checked I think /g/, github, stack overflow, leddit and 3 different ai and none had a solution.
>>724449603/pol/slop
>>724449925It's a lot better than it used to be so a lot of the negativity is legacy. Support still isn't as great as AMD but generally to my knowledge shouldn't be too much of a problem with Nvidia cards.
>>724449925People will say that Nvidia works perfectly fine on their distro, but the reality is it doesn't and you will eventually want to swap to AMD. You can use it, but it won't be as smooth as on Windows. In terms of support, AMD is light-years ahead of Nvidia. It's not even close.
Why don't Nvidia make better support for Linux?
>>724449925Its fine, performance is noticeably worse than windows.
>>724450029>>724450037Thanks guys.
>>724450074Torvalds was very mean to them that one time so they retreated to only caring about Enterprise.
>>724450037AMD doesn't have DLSS and sucks at ray tracing.
>>724449603Anti-trans rhetoric
>>724449728>exposed>your narrativeyou brought up some extremely specific thing irrelevant to the overall point and when i pointed out as much you immediately flew off the handle. you're too socially retarded or emotionally unstable to even hold a basic conversation, and i advise you to reflect on that. i'm not here "out to get you" or something.
>>724450160>extremely specific thing>a common way to install programs>still seethinglmao
>>724450134>>724450074https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ
>>724450145FSR4 has closed the upscaling gap substantially, at least. It's not DLSS but it's also not any-previous-FSR-vs-DLSS.
>>724449925depends on what family/generation your card is from; if its recent support is generally decenti've used Nvidia on both i3wm (X11) and Sway (Wayland)the only thing that doesn't want to cooperate is gamescope which is a slight bummer as I like using it for games that scale poorly or not at all>>724449946it has its benefits, but there are alternatives if you want to get similar benefits in an easier manner>>724450037>AMD is light-years ahead of Nvidia. It's not even close.they do drop the ball every now and then; I used RDNA3 for years and ran into issues where I had to pin linux-firmware or else HW acceleration would cause the GPU to die randomly and require a rebootwas able to "solve" the issue but only because of my package manager's options in spite of what AMD pushed for public use>>724450145FSR/DLSS are a meme and RT is also a meme
>>724449712did csp always costed 50 bucks?
>>724450229>didnt censor iphehehe im gonna hack you now
>>724450210FSR4 is supported in like 2 games and the hacks to enable it on other games don't work on Linux.
>>724449925>is there really a difference worthy of concern?You will lose some performance if you use linux (like 5-10% difference) and some shit like screen sharing will refuse to work if you to use hyprland. Nvidia always had bad linux support.
>>724449712Yeah, I actually don't really have any issue with Krita as a piece of software, It's not like Davinci where it does almost everything right but the things that don't stress me. Is just that I feel that I work a bit more freely with CSP
The last time I posted in one of these threads I had my post deleted for antisemitic language :/Anyway, install Gentoo.
>>724450229>7950x3D>5.76GHz How? I can only get mine up to 5GHz even with undervolting
>>724450192yes. it's irrelevant. installing software that you can install through app stores was never the issue. are you being dense on purpose?
>>724450308that's probably just what it reports as a max or what fastfetch finds
>>724450341>installing software is irrelevant to installing software
Can I pirate Steam games on linux? (e.g. with clean steam files, or unlock family sharing restrictions.)
>>724450356No, it reports whatever your current frequency happens to be at the moment
>>724450234I dunno. Maybe there was a price raise at some point but I don’t remember one.I think I bought the basic version when it was on a rare discount.
>>724450403dunno, seems pegged for me but one core is doing something with firefox I guessstatically stays at that amount even if I spam it
>>724450341Just admit you're a seething wincel. >>724450442What cooler are you using?
>>724450387yesyou can even install them just by double clicking once you have setup wine
>>724450403>4TB Rei>1TB Shinjidamn...
>>724450372you're the one who brought up installing software to begin with in this chain, you autist. there's no "to installing software".
>>724440652>"everyone upgraded to W11">"no one switched to Linux"
>>724450474>What cooler are you using?the bigass thermosiphon from icegiant
>>724440652EAC works on Linux THOUGH.It's just racist devs that don't check the Linux box. Truly, we are the most oppressed minority.
>>724450515That might be why. What kind of load temps do you get? Mine always hits thermal max under load, so 89c. I'm using a NH-D15. Kind of want to buy a water cooling loop, but at that point might as well just buy a 9950x3D instead.
>>724450493You're the one who seethed about installing software thoughbeit.
>>724450492At least they work, unlike this dumb bitch
>>724450507Reminder that the Indian government endorsed their own Linux distro and that India is the largest per-capita userbase for Linuxhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharat_Operating_System_Solutions
>>724450571if that is what you say.
>>724443923People who use Linux mostly work in software, not some meme marketing job which requires you to use video editing software.
>>724450669people working marketing jobs get given a shitty dell/lenovo craptop and they can't just install whatever they want on it because of their IT department
>DisplayCal works in linux againAlright, I'm running out of reasons not to switch.
>>7244416151, great move towards IT security2, I dunno about it being mandatory, but good info3, terrible, a recipe for a flood of shit commits
>>724450565emerging some shid as a testlike I said it probably just grabs that peak and caches it or something so it won't get near that frequency when all cores are goinghovers around 4.8-4.9GHz with all in usemine was also kind of a bad undervolter like all my ryzen chips tend to be; had to back off quite a bit when certain builds would cause it to shut off
It's very simple. look at the steam hardware survey, the most popular gpu is an nvidia card for laptops. what do all gaming laptops come installed with? windows.Now how many people are likely to go through the hassle of changing their os for one they don't know with worse compatibility for their hardware?
>>724445734>So you are actually retarded. Linux is a Unix-like. I'm saying a retard (yes, like you) would design something like Linux. Why? Because blah blah blah I suck cocksANSWER. THE. QUESTION. PLEASE. For the third time.
>>724450620unironically based. Even iran, china, and north korea use linux. Everyone knows windows is a sham and will spy on you.
>>724450818Welp at least mine isn't unusually slow then. Thanks anon.
>>724450609takes her role seriously
>>724440652>especially because of anti-cheat on mpYeah lemme install a literal spyware on my system, why not.
>>724450860laptop "gamers" are on the same tier as mobile "gamers", they are less than human and not worth acknowledging.
>>724450920>unironically based. Even iran, china, and north korea use linux. Everyone knows windows is a sham and will spy on you.
Nigga, I tried. Turns out I have a busted ryzen architecture that has endless and continuous crashes that can't be circumvented no matter what I try. I tried feeding more voltage, fucking with kernel parameters, different kernals and distros, nadda.
why do (You) care what operating system I use
>>724451068You don't have a fucked CPU. Ryzen 7000 has a low thermal limit and it runs hot under normal operation. If you enable PBO you're always going to hit the thermal limit unless you have a beefy custom water cooling loop or use phase change cooling (lol)
>>724451040Yes but sadly they make up a sizable percentage if not a majority of pc gamers. Laptops and prebuilts all come with the latest version of windows installed which is the reason win 11 has become the most popular gaming os by virtue of being the default.
Japan, the best country in the world, has a 0% market share for Linux.Linux is fagshit and made for trannies and unemployed chuds.
>>724440652Linux is shilled by communists and trannies.
>>724451561>having complete control over your system is communismogey
>>724451335
>>724451561>Linux is shilled by communists and trannies.Is there anything that isn't? they seem to infest most spaces.
>>724450713I don't know who the fuck "professionally" uses adobe shitware then.
>windows xp is losing support, surely people will TRANSition to linux instead of upgrading to windows 7>windows 7 is losing support, surely people will TRANSition to linux instead of upgrading to windows 10>windows 10 is losing support, surely people will TRANSition to linux instead of upgrading to windows 11
>>724451129Not my case, sadly. I had fucked with PBO and nothing came up. I fucked with C states, voltage for both ram and cpu and nothing came up. I made sure to limit cpu frequencies, reverting to older kernals and microcodes but nothing came of it. Good news is I intend to upgrade from my 3700x soon to probably something Intel.
>>724451598East eurofag here. Unironically yes, just about every appliance built in the east block was built with right to repair in mind and in the 70s modular integration was a core design philosophy.
>>724442230>>724442236But you're nobody.
>>724451738On Ryzen 3000 just disable clock scaling and run it at a set speed. I was able to get my 3600 to run at its boost frequency (I think 4.3GHz) 100% of the time. After a few years I had to drop it down to 4.2GHz.
>>724451675>I don't know who the fuck "professionally"just a couple
>>724451335Ah yes I love FUD. Let's just ignore the fact Japan absolutely loves the Steam Deck.
>>724440652nothing will happen till gaben releases steamos.yes, people are that retarded.
>>724451561>>724451734Name a single untrannified piece of softwarePROTIP: You can't
>>724451861Source?the only thing I can find is stuff from 2023 that said they sold fuck all
>>724451937proprietary software made by corporations is driven by money, the few times they pretend to give a shit about trannies, they do it for marketinglinux is made by tranny neets and commies, so when they're shilling trannies all day every day, they're actually doing it for free
>>724445815Reading and critical thinking are basic skills that should be expected from every human being.Remove those from a human being and you have a fucking ape.
>>724451598You don't understand that wanting to have rights as a consumer is communism because you could hurt a poor company's profit margins.
>>724445985>deletes 25% of my framerate.that's nvidia in dx12 games
>>724443028The system32 and syswow64 is mostly historical baggage like how distros still can't agree on /lib versus /lib64system32 changing would break softwaresyswow64 is named as such because it's windows-on-windows-64.What you should be complaining about is actually the winsxs store. That shit is genuine nonsense.
>>724452034>proprietary software made by corporationsEven that's true, which it isn't, that software is written in a programming language, and every lang's team has at least one troon.
>>724447904>arch is the only distro where i can consistently find answers to my problems by googling, it's unironically the most beginner friendly linux distroYou are shite at googling, there's no other explanation really. The developers of Arch themselves recommend beginners try a different distro.
>>724440652My laptops wifi won't work on Linux.Piracy is a mess on Linux.Privacy is not a concern because I only use my laptop for blender and gaming.
>>724451839I'll keep that in mind then. I'm running Windows 10 for now with as much telemetry ripped the fuck out as I can until I have the money for a new mobo and cpu. I'll take the old 3000 and stick her into a server and see if I can't use it for a media/nginx server
>>724452235What laptop and distro?
>>724452204linux doesn't have just one tranny, the entire community is built on trannies and commie ideology
>>724452034If it's driven by money, why did they make it so bad? I might want to buy Windows if it was still as good as 2000, but it's not. Not even gonna use it anymore.
>>724451841>media, marketingIs that not what I said? Just meme jobs.
>>724440652I'm not switching to Linux because I'm using the Visual Studio IDE. Its debugger is way superior to anything on Linux.My games also already all work out of the box.There is no point in switching for me.
>>724452378>posted on a tranime site
>>724452378It has trannies because modern linux is just as corporate as windows. IBM and Canonical call all the shots, especially when it comes to the linux desktop. The free software ethos linux was built on is actually more libertarian than anything else.
>>724440652Win11 just werk for the past 3 years for me so I don't see a reason to use loonix
>>724452759>just works>>724448018
>>724452825Yeah? I didn't encounter the issue so it werks
>>724452874So then you agree Linux works perfectly too.
>>724440652im still on windows 10 not ltsc either fuck linux and fuck w11
>>724452605linux relies on free work from commie neets, and the only losers that fit that description are trannies
>>724452915I neither know nor care
>>724452964>free workdoes_he_know.jpeg
>>724453007Yet you care enough to respond.
>>724452384your opinion doesn't matterlinux dominates the pc market
>>724453037But I don't care enough to find out for myself
>>724452964Isn't this the subreddit which constantly jerks off about being a neet?
>>724453053It does? If you say so. Anyway if my opinion doesn't matter there's no reason for you to seethe that I'm not going to use windows 11
I wish we still had the IP counter. I'm willing to bet more than half this thread is samefaggotry
>>724440652I will switch from win10 to linux on my htpc soon to try it out. Either Mint or Bazzite, not sure yet. Then i will go linux on my gaming pc too next year and microsoft can go f'ck themself with their bloated spyware.
>>724453251Every post is me.
>>724449925If you want to generate AI porn, you should be using Linux+Nvidia. I can also game on Linux+Nvidia just fine aside from VR ports of old 32-bit games not working with Monado (although that might've been fixed). I don't play multiplayer ever so idc about anticheat support personally.
>>724453251People should only ever be allowed to post a single time in a thread
>>724440652I switched in mid September.
>>724453616I was a little surprised to learn that it was actually named after her
>>724453794I didn't know that, neat.
Anti-cheat is just a pipe dream. They are still using DMA controllers and AI cheats.
>>724453889Shut up chud and enable secure boot and install this kernel driver.
>>724440652i switched to Linux when Windows 7 came out nigger
I don't use linux because I have shit to do on my computer besides troubleshooting the OS non stop. Some of us use a computer for things other than fucking around
>>724454083>my time is le heckin le precious which is why I post on 4chan
>>724453358I went to linux mint and the transition is near seamless.No notepad++ or mpc but that's it.GTX 1070 and dota and most games I play run fine aside from some fairly uncommon stutter bug that freezes my game and forces me to restart with alt+prntscrn R+E+I+S+U+B.My media server is using Ubuntu.Honestly I have no current desire to move to any other linux distro. Arch distros seem too unstable. Not touching Israel's Red Hat distros. I'm fine with cinnamon desktop.
>>724454083What a loser. I do everything I have to do and then create issues for myself to solve for fun. Life is too ezmode.
>>724454083So use a distro like Mint where everything is handled for you and it's difficult to mess things up. Install your stuff using the built-in software center and you'll be fine.
I have a windows 11 powerful PC but it's Alienware cancer... and im pretty sure it came with some TPM crap.I already disabled that fucking Bitlocker crap on Windows 11, should i also remove TPM *BEFORE* I attempt at installing Linux in it? or is the whole TPM thing just a load of nothing to worry about? fuck these hardware locks/restrictions man
>>724454419Any modern pc has tpm. My arch system supports it.
>>724454223>notepad++For me it's kate.>mpcmpv
>>724441615>"monetary incentive">every pull request is just pajeet's name being added>free linux gibs
I use Linux.If a game isn't playable on Linux, I won't play it.It is a better operating system that is more functional than windows.>b-b-b-but what about [specific use case]>b-b-b-but it's too hard>b-b-b-but you're elitist>b-b-b-but I don't want to learn something new>b-b-b-but...I don't care. If you use windows you're a retard and I'm going to laugh at you.
>>724454785>I don't care. If you use windows you're a retard and I'm going to laugh at you.
>>724454419TPM is just additional functionality and you don't have to care about disabling it.It's not attached to your system's various backdoors.
>>724444131feds will lose their jobs if you run linux. stop being an asshole and use windows
>>724454513Does kate let you mark lines containing certain strings, invert the selection, and delete the selected lines?Also I'm using mpv and it's not as good as mpc. I can't copy and jump to a specific timecode/frame like I can in mpc. Mediainfo isn't built-in and the info that it shows is so retarded nonspecific, doesn't tell me the video stream's bitrate, doesn't list the language of every subtitle etc.I can and am using standalone mediainfo sure.
>>724454419You can't remove tpm, either hardware or software.
>>724454934>bothering to point out the failings of raw mpv as a general use media playerThis really is pointless, there's almost a cult around that fucking program, and I say that as a someone who uses it
>>724440652>face it, Linux will never take of, especially because of anti-cheat on mpthat's not an issuei got schooled on either here or /g/. i can't find the post right now but you can have a closed down Linux kernel through attestation >https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/attestation-confidential-computingonce Steam or whoever decides to bring out a Linux multiplayer online OS, it will be over for Windows
>>724454083The first PCs you had to fuck around or you wouldn't even be able to launch a single program. You even had to build the programs yourself there was no "setup.exe". Computers are Consumer Products™ now and it's a shame, it feels like a step back to me, even though I understand the concern for practicality.I'm still a Windows (10) user (because I'm a Eurochad), but I'm hopping on the Linux train next year. I'm taking the power back, and with great power comes great responsibility.
>>724454419You can't remove TPM, it's a hardware thing.Unless you have something in the BIOS that lets you reset/change/disable your TPM, you'll have it forever and be tracked by it forever.
am I screwed for MSVC on Linux, programmerbros?
>>724455282>Unless you have something in the BIOS that lets you reset/change/disable your TPMThat is a standard feature.>and be tracked by it foreverThat's not what it does.Stop talking about shit you don't understand.
I genuinely don't care what OS I'm using, but outside of dick measuring is there a reason for me to switch from windows to linux?I currently use windows 10 ltsc for my gaming pc and have 0 issues. The do use lightroom and photoshop but other than that everything else I use would run just fine.
>>724455183>you can have a closed down Linux kernel through attestation"linux kernel" = distribution
>>724455298Yes, use one of the many linux-oriented compilers which are better anyway.
>>724455417:(
>>724455393>is there a reason for me to switch from windows to linux?if you do not player online multiplayer, you can't switchother than that you need a rolling release if you play newer titles where gpu driver updates are neededhttp://distrowatch.combasically do whatever you want to do or suits your needs the best. linux is still a mental illness. until Arch doesn't bring out some form of GUI or preset installer that does not force you to use a wiki page to install that mental illness distro, rolling Linuxs will never be a thingi guarantee you 99% of people installing Arch, would not be able to install it without this pagehttps://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide
>>724440652Didn't need to switch, I've been using Debian for 20 years now.
>>724455579>archinstallArch is so easy
>>724449946install gentoo
>>724455650
>>724455579I don't play multiplayer slop. I have a couple games that use easy anticheat but that's about it.
>>724455880BOO
>>724455393>>724455724>install gentootold you mental retardation YOUAREMENTALLYRETARDEDhandicapped inside dwellersGOOD LUCK/sand i do not give two shits about your mental retardation. create some amazing games instead of wasting your time resetting your installation every half year because something got fucked or you got bored of it. SEEK HELP
>>724455919that's past setting up filesystem, retardshow me iq 80 friendly way. not even point and click. preset commands i can choose or type. NO OUTSIDE HELP show me
>>724456113no it's not. there's a Drive(s) submenu
>>724455393>I genuinely don't careThen no.If you don't care, then why would you switch?Linux is a better system that is easier to use on a day-to-day basis once you're used to it, and isn't randomly being broken by Microsoft every few weeks. If you care, switch. If you don't, just use whatever and stop looking for reasons.
>>724456026>getting triggered at a 15 year old /g/ memehow
>>724456318speaking of, *sip*
>this kills the gamer
>>724448310not even a bad idea atp
>>724455579>linux is still a mental illness. until Arch doesn't bring out some form of GUI or preset installer that does not force you to use a wiki page to install that mental illness distro, rolling Linuxs will never be a thingThose exist>i guarantee you 99% of people installing Arch, would not be able to install it without this pageFollowing instructions isn't hard. I'm not sure why you're bragging about your inability to do so.
>>724456221>no it's not. there's a Drive(s) submenuok i somewhat stand corrected>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiG2wMkcrFE How to Install Arch Linux: Step-by-Step Guide (archinstall) - SavvyNik - 86K subscribers 299K views 10 months ago2:30https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYyh3PrIB7w Linux Tips - Install Full Arch on a USB Drive (2023) AgileDevArt 17.1K subscribers 140K views 2 years ago4:00but now:>get rageboner windows requires online account/ internet for setup>>seemingly can't install arch off usb .iso without wifi>>1.1 GB .iso image btwexplain
>>724456414>cachyOSthe latest Manjaro-tier meme distro, wonder what will have replaced it this time next year
>>724456649>Didn't see the bottom menu entrylol n00b
>>724455579Arch has a GUI installer thoughbeit.https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-gui/
>>724442008only retards looking to cheat in competitive games throw a fit on anticheatsi dont want to play with you cheating subhumans
>>724456279>Linux is a better system that is easier to use on a day-to-day basis once you're used to itHow?These threads always can be boiled down to >windows bad because bloat/spyware>linux bad because hard>Just use x and it's easy>nuh uh>ya haad infinitum>If you don't care, then why would you switch?I more meant I'm not really partial to either. if linux has a good case for being better I don't mind at least trying dualboot, I already run a linux server so I don't mind using it.
>>724456780How about you make an anticheat which actually works.
>>724456632a long time ago the iso used to include pic related but they removed it. I don't know the modern equivalent so I guess you'll have to plug in your wifi cable.
>>724456632Downloading things generally requires the internet, anon.The operating system existing for download on the internet at your discretion is not the same as requiring an online account that microsoft can directly disable.Literally happened to me btw when I tried to use win11. Couldn't log back in without verifying via email code... which microsoft will not send for my account, on any email, and there is no support to contact about this.
>>724456854unless it's part of the net config submenu in archinstall >>724455919 that'd be neat I guess
>>724456780The only ppl throwing a fit on anticheats would be windows users because you can't even play said games on linux, so you can't cheat.Meanwhile on windows netanyahu still lets you cheat because the purpose of the kernel access is to spy on your computer not to prevent cheats.
i switched back to windows after 10 years of exclusively linux (arch btw)
>>724456842You shouldn't need to dualboot generally unless you want to play games with anti-cheat that don't work on linux like Battlefield 6.
>>724456780It's not about the anti cheat you dumb nigger, it doesn't even fucking work to begin withIt's about having a fucking rootkit installed on your system and you accept it like a good little cuckAnti cheat should be server side and anything else is a humiliation ritual for you little slaves
>>724456842Not him but generally I find Linux to be a much better workflow and general use.I can update every program with a single command instead of going to use whatever and finding out it needs to be updated. Also just generally lots of little things which I find hard to explain exactly but they all accumulate together. Like my work recently gave me a new laptop with windows 11 and I feel like I spend the majority of my time fighting and finagling with it to just do what I want.
If you have enough cash, the proper way is to keep one linux computer for personal use, internet browsing, banking, crypto etc and a separate windows computer for work, and the rare kernel anticheat game.Preferably partitioned internet connections too.
>>724456742howeverthoughbeit why do i need sourceforge for this. why not archlinux.org
>>724456842>HowThe actual software just works better. I'm talking about the average things you do regularly on your computer. From my point of view, as someone using KDE:>most conventional settings I want to use are easy to find and all in one settings program, not hidden between a settings app and a legacy control panel, both of which are an endless nest of nonsensical categories and subcategories that are a pain to look through>file browser is generally better and more functional with more options more easily available, like sorting opens, thumbnail sizes, a commander mode for moving a bunch of shit around, etc.>start menu search actually works so I can just launch a program by pressing super and typing what I want to launch>clicking the volume button just lets me adjust program volumes instead of needing to open another window in win10 (that only shows three programs at a time) or god forbid opening the settings app just for that on win11It's just lots of little things like that. It's much nicer to use in all the banal ways. And when something doesn't work, I can normally find a solution. Even it's a a bitch and involves fucking around, there usually IS one instead of just nothing.
>>724456956Why
>>724457108Many distros are hosted on sourceforge.
>>724456854>>724456918same raging anon, seems to be part of archinstall indeed
>>724457057linux for everything pussy
>>724457108Because it's just something someone made.Arch themselves don't care about you or your problems.
>>724457141nobody is going to visit sourceforge for that. if they are looking for their distronot one linker to sourcef>https://archlinux.org/download/
>>724457359If you can't google something, you shouldn't be using Arch
>>724455381>That is a standard feature.No it is not. >That's not what it does.That is absolutely how it can be used.Stop talking about shit you don't understand.
>>724457359>nobody is going toYet you just did.
>>724457378>No it is not.Every Motherboard I've used since it was introduced has that option.>That is absolutely how it can be used."can be used"I assume you mean programs on your computer using it to fingerprint you, which is just the program spying on you. They can meaningfully fingerprint you regardless, so TPM changes nothing. Not unless you're trying to spoof existing tracking which is a very different use-case from someone saying they want to turn it off to switch to linux.Also: those programs can and do demand you enable it regardless. The problem isn't TPM, the problem is that you're installing spyware.
>>724457131wayland specifically, but more generally the "old bad, new good" attitude becoming pervasive.it basically boils down to: i would rather use windows than wayland.
>>724457575Wayland IS better though. Especially for gaming. Xorg needed to die.
>>724456956>>724457575i don't believe you.also wayland > x11.
my case made in two posts...
>>724457681Your "case" is that people like move to something which is better.
>>724440652I'm switching over to mint + w11 virtual machine once I can't find W7 hotfixes anymore.
>>724457708if you put scare quotes aroung better than yeah thats my case. you can say its better all you want dude, it doesnt make it true.
>>724457637>>724457614>>724457575Holy shot I gave up on Linux before CovidIs Wayland still not fucking finished? I remember everyone nutting themselves over it and Ubuntu trying to make its own version of xorg. What’s the hold up?
>>724457614>Wayland IS better though. Especially for gaming.https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277
>>724457681x11 isn't going anywhere for like a decade. rhel and ubuntu will keep supporting that shit for the next 10 years, there's just no reason to move to windows 10 anytime soon even if you are supposedly an x11 fangirl.
>>724457756linux is a wip, like all software, it will never be finished as long as someone is working on it.x11 still gets bugfixes from redhat.
>>724456872>the same as requiring an online account that microsoft can directly disable.Literally happened to me btw when I tried to use win11. Couldn't log back in without verifying via email codewell i guess i walked into this one.you can't install Windows with a local account without a second screen either unless you memorize that one line >winjs.application.restart("ms-cxh://localonly")or the regedit>hideonlineaccountscreens bypassor >choose the Pro version and the Domain optionat least it's not an entire wiki page but this has been resolved with the mention of archinstall inside the terminalcachyos and mx linux are rolling and seem to have GUI installersat the end of the day someone needs to release a secure boot Linux distro for anti-cheat multiplayers
>>724457756Wayland is now a thing and most distros are switching finally and/or have done so.Really it was the past year or two where it became standard.>>724457759Okay.I noticed higher FPS when switching and lower latency.
>>724457871>I noticed higher FPS when switching and lower latency.i bet you aren't even using wine wayland.
>>724457759I'm not interested in fact checking all of that, but Nvidia also has shit support on xorg so that's just a straight up lie.Also "only recent cards" is a lie too, because everything gtx 980 up has the same level of support right now and that is a 11 year old card.
>>724457770sure. ill try to articulate a for instance. xfce4 terminal is the only terminal that has every feature i want. that included setting persistent (<- very important word here) xprops at launch. xfce is going wayland eventually and im to believe these seldom used x11 features are going to be preserved when they become inconvenient? i do not. they will drop it and all of a sudden the thing i use daily just doesnt work anymore, most importantly nobody will care because my "use case" is so small. i would rather just move away on my own terms.
I switched. I was surprised at how many things work with some extra legwork on Lutris, for example. I expected games like Stellar Sora and Duet Night Abyss not to work at all but they just do. My printer also works great, I didn't even have to install drivers for it, just plug and play unlike Windows. And my Pro Controller and Xbox controller both worked out of the box.Unless I can't find a way to install Maya, I'd say I'm here to stay. My only irk is that anons keep telling people to install Arch or CachyOS when I think that's not a very smart move for someone just getting into the ecosystem. You should really be telling them to install some flavor of Ubuntu like Mint instead, I think the more stable environment is worth a lot more than 3-4 FPS gains on certain games.
>>724454904dogfucker
>>724458006>My only irk is that anons keep telling people to install Arch or CachyOS when I think that's not a very smart move for someone just getting into the ecosystempeople think just because they got it to work everyone else can too. they don't quite comprehend the little patience for troubleshooting and general lack of curiosity of the average /v/ user. making new linux users install an arch based derivative is terrible advice, shove all those retarded fuckers on bazzite. they can switch later if they feel like distro hopping. btw i use arch.
>>724440652I switched to linux 20 years ago.
>>724458006>My printer also works greatI was shocked by how good printer support is on Linux. I tried 3 printers that required some shit ass drivers on Windows, and they instantly worked on Linux. Zero setup.
I dont care about general public, I use linux because it is better in every way. I also wont support companies that rape everything and its that simple.
>>724457998>xfce is going wayland eventuallythey'll probably install wayback. these small distros are very low on developers and can't really afford to switch to wayland, it's why the switch to wayland on linux has been so slow in the first place.
Is Ubuntu still the best distro for normies?I just need something that works and doesn’t spy on me
>>724458267ubuntu isn't really recommend anymore, canonical went full corpo with snaps and pro ads.get bazzite for gaming, or fedora for a more general desktop experience.
>>724458267Bazzite is a better retard friendly distro that's also focused on gaming
>>724458118cool story
>>724458267Mint is the stereotype.>>724458376Bazzite is a purpose built distro for gaming handhelds and putting it on a desktop is supremely retarded.
>>724458437>Bazzite is a purpose built distro for gaming handhelds and putting it on a desktop is supremely retarded.bazzite is just fedora with a few gaming defaults anon. fedora is 100% a desktop distro.
>>724458267https://distrowatch.com/index.php?theme=dark
>>724457871>>724457982Wayland is all promises at this point, it's still not ready and is too inconsistent across hardware
>>724458546Works fine on my Nvidia hardware.
>>724458546It's ready for standard use cases.Further development can only really come when it's standard. Rejecting it at this point is functionally just saying it should never be adopted, which everyone knows has to happen.
>>724458267>>724458346>>724458376Ubuntu doesn’t have adsLiterally nothing wrong with Snaps for a normie
>>724458546>Wayland is all promises at this point, it's still not readyi've been using wayland since 2017, most people i see complain about it are nvidia users. >>724458535page hit rankings are meaningless, i've googled cachyos a handful of times and still didn't install it. i also somehow always forget what the fuck mx linux is which results in googling.
>>724458535Cachy OS is great, it's the ideal vidya distro for someone who wants to work a bit for it but for retards I'd still stick to bazzite because it's immutable
>>724458535>cachyOShow many fucking arch spinoffs do we need?
>>724458192>distroanyway. thats just more reason to believe they would drop old features to focus on new.and then there is this guy>>724457871its not even hypothetically possible for this to be true. its just a straight lie but he believes he can hide behind computers being black magic boxes to most that just work different sometimes.
I still don't get the idea behind an "immutable" distro. If it is what I think it really is, why would you want that for any OS, linux especially?
>>724458346>fedora>recommending bleeding edge>just works
>>724440652I would rather not have a double digit percentage of consumer PCs run linux, because then it will turn into a legitimate target for malware. People who want it to be actual mainstream don't understand what they're asking for.
>>724458694>Its not even hypothetically possible for this to be trueIt's not even an uncommon report from switching. You have far less idea what you're talking about than you think you do.
>>724440652I'm backing up my files on win10 to switch to linux right now.
>>724458546>wayland is all promisesJust like btrfs the filesystem of the future, it’ll be ready in 2030 I promise
>>724443546>What does Linux offer to the average person that isn't being provided by OSX or Windows?It runs well on old hardware, it doesn't spy on you, it doesn't throw ads at you, and it can be vastly customized.
>>724458767>he believes he can hide behind computers being black magic boxes to most
>>724458740Because you want something which users won't fuck up on your premade consumer product that isn't primarily a desktop anyway. This makes support far easier and ensures a consistent experience so compatibility reports are accurate.Now why people want that on their desktop OS they install themselves? Purely because they hear "steamOS" and think that must be better.
Are window managers any good? they look cool but they also seem to have a bit of a learning curve, is there a distro that would be good for trying one?
>>724443742Tried FireAlpaca?
>>724458740It means that every update happens in a vacuum where if anything gets fucked up the update fails and gets reverted and keeps receipts for any updates until they prove themselvesThe user can't touch the core system elements without jumping through hoopsThis is obviously training wheels but normies need those
>>724458840Wouldn't be different from hiding behind "trust me bro it's not possible", even were it true.The simple fact is that it was clear and noticeable. Saying "n-n-nuh uh it shouldn't..." is pure cope. For input latency I even recorded keystroke-to-response via camera because I play fighting games and that matters to me.
>>724458762It's called common senseIf the market for retards grows they can sudo their freedom away to an antivirus, who caresWorkstations were always juicy targets regardless
>>724458957im not saying it shouldnt. im saying it cant and doesnt and either you are lying intentionally, or you lack the tools required to test it.im leaning towards lie because you tried to inb4 without knowing enough to make a believable lie about testing.
>>724459065>trust me bro it can'tAny 60fps camera functions just fine for frame counting. It's not about measuring latency in ms.
I'm always seeing posts about how bad Wayland, KDE, and Nvidia on Linux are, yet I use all three without issues. What gives?
>>724459157The linux sphere is full of retarded cope from people who have very set ideas of what "should" happen under various circumstances and will willingly ignore reality to do so.
>>724458805>uses Wayland with NVIDIA and btrfs as main NVME's filesystem>even used a snapshot to recover a fucked arch updoot once, over a year ago>zero issuesshill or troll
>>724458749fedora isn't exactly bleeding edge, they heavily test before release and then they patch it up later.if you're really scared about the "bleeding edge" you can wait a couple of weeks before each upgrade.
>>724458682just cachyos
we're just going in circles.i do miss how fast project zomboid loaded on linux tho holy shit its slow af on windows 11 at least.
>>724459065If you're so certain it can't, why would you refuse to give your reasoning?
>>724458957wayland is just a protocol, the latency is gonna depend on the implementation. mutter is the state of the art wayland implementation, give it a try there. use wine-wayland of course.
>>724459460That isn't a reason that it cannot happen, that's another statement that it does not happen.
>>724458535>CachyOSAren't Arch forks "le bad" for beginners because they can break if you don't update them frequently?
Is CachyOS any good, anyway?I'm still running a Manjaro installation from 2020 and feel it's probably time to start fresh, but there's no way I'm moving away from pacman/aur.Could just go back to vanilla Arch but eh
>>724459497thankfully cachyos has a very new user friendly application to get arch working again, just make sure you don't press the wrong button.
>>724459616get the fuck off manjaro you savage. also you can just install the v3 packages from regular arch.
>>724459616>>724459497You can install and use cachyos stuff on pretty much any distro. I use a cachyos kernel and cachy proton on my Gentoo install for example.If you use the CachyOS distro you just get this shit for free without any of the work.If I was building my computer purely for gaming, I'd seriously consider CachyOS.
>>724459664>purely for gaming Are you implying that gaming isn't the toughest workload out there?Everything else will just work OS wise and saving less than a gig of storage and ram isn't making any difference on anything else you'd use Linux for
>>724459659>get the fuck off manjaro you savageIt's just werked for me this entire time, and I simply don't care about them forgetting to update their SSL cert that one time.The package delay has never really caused any problems for me. I don't actually care about being as bleeding edge as possible, and don't update enough as is. I like the ecosystem because of pacman/yay more than anything. Archwiki being one of the better basic troubleshooting guides helps too.>also you can just install the v3 packages from regular arch.I could, but I'm wondering about it as a distro. If I'm going to run what it runs I might as well use it instead of manually turning arch into it, unless there's a reason not to.I'm mostly asking because I hear a lot about cachyos but have never heard from anyone who's actually used it.
>>724459664>cachyos kernel and cachy proton on my Gentoo installcareful now, don't post on /g/ or else those faggots will call you a "cachybot." kek
>>724457131idk if your still following the conversation but what happened here is a really good example of the deeper why. these people think that reality is decided in debate somehow.
>>724447419>>724447516>Going from 200 fps on Windows to 100 FPS on Linux via Proton one (1) game is a big deal>This is somehow a black eye on gaming via LinuxYou eternally microsoft Wintoddlers need to learn this thing called context clues and how this isn't the own you think it is. If the problem is appearing for only you and only in this game and is so minor that you still have >60 FPS in your game in addition to having to rewrite your entire library to accommodate such a change (and possibly breaking compatibility with other games in the process), it's fairly reasonable to ignore that request. In fact, only a tech illiterate retard would think that's a good idea.
Isn’t Linux in Windows 11 anyways?You can use all your apps
>>724460153WSL indeed lets you use your linux applications in windows, then again you can do the exact reverse with something like gnome-boxes.
>>724440652you can play nortubel on linux
>>724440652>no one switched to Linuxand that's a good thinglinux barely skirts enshittification as it is. the last thing it needs is wangblows rapefugees driving corpo """investment"""
>>724460057>usecase for 200 fps?linuxfags, everyone
>>724449738None of hat has been true since the PowerPC/early x86 days of MacOS. MacOS is LESS usable than WIndows in many regards, especially in terms of scientific programs. programming utilities and games. It's essentially a vanity brand for tech-illiterate normalfags .
>>724440652unironically switched to linux because of this.switched all my family pcs to linux too.they are happy, i am happy, never going back
>>724459497sex with nanachin
>>724460295I know reading isn't your strongsuit (being a /v/irgin and all), but would you break compatibility with multiple other games just so one fag can enjoy his game at 200 fps when it already works at a stable 100 (just because of the way the devs hastily put together the engine 10+ years ago)? If you say yes, then you're more retarded than you look.
>>724460295I mean, what IS your usecase for 200 fps, specifically? Going above 120-144, which is a refresh rate most people don't even have anyway, is actually completely pointless. If your display can only output 60 and you have vsync off anyway and are running the game at higher framerates, you're just fucking your card up faster for zero benefit.
>>724460416>>724460520>tranny gets indignant>pretends to contradict the accurate assessment of his filth>>what's the usecase for 200 FPS
Goddamn, never argue with retards. They'll just drag you down to their level. It's really true.
I'm waiting for rad debugger to get a working linux version before switching. The direction Windows has gone since around windows 2000 has been generally mediocre and post-Win 7 it's gotten outright bad. I'm not going to stick around for an enforced AI OS and I say that as someone who've actually paid money to use certain AI models.
>>724460153>>724460187I can’t imagine any scenario where you would want to run a Linux app on windowsI can see the other way around
>>724460851>what's the use case for a functioning OS?>failure to POST or BOOT is expected behavior
Ok retard, let's get you to bed.
>>724461067I run gimp and on instinct it feels like one and it sucks dick
>>724461143>linux tranny so mad he won't even spare a (you)Usecase for bed?
Please stop being a faggot making passive aggressive unlinked posts for hours on endIt just makes you look like a child
>>724461319>please encourage the mentally ill with validationI do not give (you)'s to dishonest, unhinged people. And neither should you.
Okay
>>724458546Wayland is fucking weird.>What we were promisedIts JUST the windowing system from X, allowing compositors to do what they wanted to do>What we gotwlroots, kwin, basically window managers building the entire stack top to bottom rife with their own platform specific implementations of things like screen sharing protocols because its not in the spec because muh keyloggersLike it seems the way forward that was picked wasn't to replace X with wayland, it was to just remove the concept of a windowing system altogether.
>>724440652I've recently tried a fresh install of a more modern linux distro, I was impressed. VR works reasonably well and definitely well with only a minor performance impact, EAC works, all of the flat vidya I play works so well at this point it's not even worth a mention, from everything I play there's one(1) game with kernel level anticheat that wouldn't work. No more winehq lurking, proton integrated into steam just werks, and even HDR is finally here. If I'd really hate windows, I'd probably be willing to switch, and I doubt it'd restrict me all that much.
>>724440652linux will never take off because having a marginal performance improvement in exchange of going through countless extra steps and LARPing as a hacker is simply not worth itIt takes less time to generate the money needed to buy better hardware than the time it takes to set this moronical OS up
Is regolith any good?
>>724461534>screen sharing protocols because its not in the spec because muh keyloggersscreen sharing works on wayland these days, it just goes through pipewire
>>724461763I've gone through this rigmarole on wlroots and yes it goes through pipewire but setting it up was a bit of a nightmare (xdg-desktop-protocol-wlr? Its been a while since I did this). My understanding is the configuration to allow applications/pipewire the permissions and such is different in kwin.The thing is you can't say "it works on wayland these days" because wayland is just a protocol, and it doesn't even cover things like screencasting so different implementations have different APIs. I think its settling on some dbus stuff but its all a bit confusing to me.
>>724450795>indian programming>great move towards IT security
>>724461920>it was better when any application could silently record your screenxdg portals just work ootb these days with no setup, you just need to wait for the application developers to update their codebase to the latest shit. the upside of all this is that now when someone wants to record your monitor they have to request your permission, and on gnome you get a nice button that tells you that your screen is being recorded aswell.
>>724462047Yeah. I get where its coming from re. security though I'm with Terry Davis on that one.I was just surprised when I realised that wayland's premise isn't so much "provide a core of a windowing system for compositors to use without all the silly XTK stuff" but more "just create some APIs (and not even all of them apparently) and let the compositors build the whole fucking thing (including defining some of their own propietary (propietary to the compositor) APIs where there are gaps".Like arguably wlroots is what I imagine most people think of when they say wayland. For example - when you just said "it works in wayland". It works in wlroots. It works in kwin, it probably works in mutter? I think that's the other mainstream implementation. But they all implement it themselves, probably with their own set of bugs and limitations and weird design decisions. They all work over pipewire and support xdg desktop portal but they all have to do it themselves with a separate xdg-desktop-portal implementation. Its nice if its plug and play at least. I imagine you still need to install the compositor specific xdg-desktop-portal-* package but at least you don't need to configure the providers manually anymore? Its just.. Not what I expected. Like if someone wanted "to build a compositor for wayland" like the days of people coming out with a new window manager for X11 every two days (I used ratpoison for a long time, it has a special place in my heart), well they'd have to implement shit like screen casting themself.. Which I don't think they probably care about. Or of course you just use wlroots which is why I say the conventional expectation of wayland is actually wlroots.
>>724462326I guess, to actually make some sense of my own schizo rambling, my systemd senses are tingling.
>>724440652linux is so basededededo guys!look how they lock down and put DRM on Android, which is Linux, and totally respecting of user freedoms yo!linux is mainstream, just not on the desktopand the mobile version SUCKS
>>724441615cant wait to hear about indias defence grid collapsing because some retard copied commands off of stack overflow or github
>>724459230>used snapshot to recover a fucked arch updoot once>zero issues??
>>724462561>linux is mainstreamnot just on mobile, on servers, on iot, on basically everything except desktop and consoles linux is prevalent. goes to show how important defaults are at a customer level and why google pays apple 18 billion a year to be the default browser. thanks bill gates for buying off oems.
>everyone just forgot about systemd
>>724454785Dangerously based
>>724463470there was never really any doubt that systemd would overtake linux, just like wayland will yeet x11.
>>724440652I would like to try out Linux. But one anon here said they got a BSOD randomly when they just booting up the PC one time. That scares me a lot to be honest. I need my system to be stable, and not just randomly stop working.
>>724450156Based, troons are disgusting.
>>724440652I doesn't matter to me that much, that Linux is unpopular. Yes, if more people started using it, then developers would take greater care to make their software run well on Linux. But it's already pretty good as it is. Outside of that I really fail to see the significance.
>>724463857>I need my system to be stablelinux is used on fucking servers, you'll be fine. if you want you can setup some btrfs snapshots, some distros like bazzite do this automatically.
>>724463857>one anon said their system doesn't work>therefore, I will embrace the idea that linux as a whole doesn't work/randomly stops workingIs there a bigger meme?
ITT: Reasonable people want a OS that is a nice alternative to Windows, basement-dwelling 50 year old GNUtards say that Linux is easy, lacking empathy and understanding for those who are less skilled and knowledgeable.
>>724464564What this guy saidI think I might just cuck myself and buy a mac
>>724463857There are Linux distros that are more stable and ones that are less stable. The more stable ones (typically the fixed release ones) come at a cost of having to wait longer for newer versions of software. The less stable ones (typically the rolling release ones) come at a cost of your system breaking/not working sometimes. And there's more nuance between types of systems within those categories. Like for the fixed release systems you can have ones that move to newer versions more frequently and ones that take longer to do so. So there's a lot of granularity in the kind of balance between stability and freshness one could set up, often times under the same distro with different versions. If you want something that's extremely stable, then Linux got you covered. Most servers used to run on Linux (maybe still do, I haven't checked the stats), and that's one of the reasons why.
>>724464564>faggots want things to be better and don't want to put any effort into making things betterWe know, you've said it a thousand times
>>724463857Linux is very reliably more stable than Windows.Also leaving aside BSODs not directly being a thing on Linux, a BSOD almost always represents a hardware issue (on windows, where BSOD is a thing). It's not your software failing.
>>724464564>not understanding how computers work in the year of our Lord 2025Ngmi. If you're too retarded too use PCs just buy a Mac. That's the dedicated retard OS
>>724463857That anon was definitely being 100% honest and you should trust him wholeheartedly.
>>724464564There are Linux distros that are very simple to use. If you can install an operating system, then you can also look up what distros are accessible to non-tech people.
>>724464635I'm not going to defend the flaws of Windows or Linux but you are at a crossroads, Mac, Windows or Linux, two are spyware that work and the last one is a headache where your only hope is a AI chatbot that could easily destroy everything.The problem? Education.Computing is probably the most gatekept, full of elitism and ill 'advice' which results in incompetent individuals and people who don't know any better.
>>724464743>Conflating user with developerRetard.
>>724443665I use Kdenlive. It's slightly harder but I remember Vegas didn't support webm when I was a kid.
>>724440652The issue with linux (apart from how dogshit it feels to do literally anything) is the sheer amount of retarded distros.Why yes, I'd love to have to constantly reset my OS by distro hopping from PoopFartOS because it has some issue that anon#29384 swears Shit&CumOS doesn't have.Distros are like what if memecoins were OSs.Name me a single distro that works well and doesn't look broken as fuck.> MintNo.> UbuntuShill garbage, no.> FedoraGnome is fucking disgusting, KDE Plasma was buggy as shit last time I tried it.Until literally any distro is as stable and "clean" as windows, I'm sticking to it.> inb4 "windows isn't stable"Disable autoupdates and run a single(1) program to remove all telemetry and ai bullshit from it and it's done.
>>724464882What was the exact, measured average latency, in nanoseconds (ns), for a read operation from the L1 data cache on the original production release of the Intel 80486DX-50 processor, running in its native mode, as determined by a micro-benchmark using the Time Stamp Counter (TSC) on a chipset utilizing the EISA bus architecture?Do you know? If you don't, go kill yourself immediatelly.
>>724465089I'm not.Linux is available and anyone can use it. The argument is that they don't want to put any effort in to do it.
>>724465174I tried LTSC which is "clean" and it used 5GB ram in idle compared to KDE Arch which uses 2-3 and has more options. It's still crazy how much Windows has downgraded since 7. >Name me a single distro that works well and doesn't look broken as fuck.Debian and Arch.
>>724465174>my problem is that there's different versions and that confuses and scares me
>>724440652Anyone with any senses is playing the long game. Win11 + O&OShutup10 + basic configuring like startup shutdown and hitting Manual for services you don't need (shut off those you're positive you never will like fucking faxing) and using winget command for updating apps.Only a few minutes a month and everything works perfectly fine. I have on 4 machines with zero issue.HOWEVER, I will never upgrade to Win12 A.I. edition. But that's fine because Valve will have Steam OS Desktop edition dialed in by then.
Why do so many people on /v/ hate Linux?
>>724465312> ArchNigga please.> DebianLast I checked (when I gave linux a try at the beginning of the year, yet again) there was some stuff that turned me away from it (I don't remember what it was) so I ended up using Fedora and despising gnome, getting hit with how buggy Plasma was and giving up.>>724465365The problem is that it's fucking impossible to just pick one because a bunch of retards swear on their lives for the most retarded shit possible.Why don't (You) tell me why you love your meme distro?
>>724465174Any operating system will have its share of retardedly specific problems, mate. Now if your answer to one of the most stable, popular distros out there is simply "No", then there's no conversation to be had here, you simply belong on Windows and that's where you should have stayed instead of wandering into a Linux thread.
>>724465495>The problem is that it's fucking impossible to just pick one because a bunch of retards swear on their lives for the most retarded shit possible.So that there's different versions and that confuses and scares you.>Why don't (You) tell me why you love your meme distro?Arch, because it works for me. I don't care if it does for you.
>>724465272>ur lazyNo, I'm not going to be a retard like you wasting my life re-inventing the wheel.
>>724465560Then enjoy using shitty OS's.You can live with shit or you can put a bit of effort in to make your life better.
>>724465397I refuse to believe they're not shitposters at this point. You need like 3-4 windhawks hacks to have half of KDE's features and a normal look over flatshit. Openshell and Aero11 (half the stuff still looks broken because MS' shitty new GUI). Also now you need even regedit edits for local account... If not LTSC, bitlocker turned on by default. Seriously, anyone who defends this shit must be a retard or shitposter.
>>724465502I used Mint throughout my highschool as my school was broke and I was in a programming course either way.I had the impression it was only popular because it "felt like windows", though to be fair Ubuntu is way more windows than it.I'll install it on a pendrive and try it again I guess.>>724465553You're unemployed and don't do anything creative so you have enough free time to install your OS every other day, understood.Unfortunately, I think an OS should be stable.
>>724465560There's a big issue with this argument.Microsoft themselves are making the wheel more and more square every new Windows version and gaslighting you into thinking it's definitely still a round shape. Meanwhile you've convinced yourself there's no other wheel game in town when there's dozens of them.
>not just pirating getting the free updates for 3 years with literally 1 line of powershell copy-pasta>let alone using Win 10 LTSC so you can get them until 2032
>>724465724>You're unemployed and don't do anything creative so you have enough free time to rebuild your car's engine every other day, understood.>You're unemployed and don't do anything creative so you have enough free time to maintain your house every other day, understood.>You're unemployed and don't do anything creative so you have enough free time to do basic exercise every other day, understood.And so on
>>724465850Security updates for your ATM OS doesn't mean it will play vidya. Devs can cut support anytime they feel like....but realistically there'll be workarounds like for Windows 7.
OH NO! Normalfags were kept out by the gate! What ever will we ever do?
>>724465934>AnalogyIt's an OS.If it doesn't> Just workAfter setup, It's dogshit.A house needs to be maintained, and so does your body.An OS isn't supposed to fucking need maintenance, linuxtroon.
>>724466057Why?What makes an OS magically different from everything else in your life, beyond your lack of intelligence?
>>724465958They won't be cutting Win 10 support for games for at least 5 years boss. All gaming engines are fundamentally built with it in mind. So unless it's some wacky shit like a Windows Store/Xbox-only title with some funky shenanigans, there is no chance support will be cut before it starts matteringAnd even then, it'll probably be like 1 in game in 5 years, which will flop, and that'll be it for another couple
>>724466084Do you also go around trying different medicine when your usual one works fine?There's no point in tinkering with something that's working 100%.If it doesn't work 100% then it's garbage and you should find something else.And distro hopping is for unemployed niggers with too much time in their hands.
>>724466141They can always make up an issue to make people switch. Monster Hunter devs already said stuff may not work on Win10.
>>724466196>There's no point in tinkering with something that's working 100%.It doesn't, or you wouldn't be going on about how you wanted to switch but winux was just twooo hawd for you.You are using dogshit willingly and defending your laziness with retarded cope.
>>724466221By the time the next Monster Hunter A-team game is here, Windows 12 will be out
>>724466285You're attempting to justify distro hopping, you retard.What's so hard to understand? Reinstalling your OS every other day is fucking abhorrent.I've tried at least 5 distros and they all felt amateurish and buggy.All of them were the "popular" ones.
>>724465760It isn't, Microsoft's wheel has everything it needs to be a wheel, it's EXPECTED for the desktop environment, drivers, libraries , etc. to work. I'm no fan of Winshit 10 and 11 but the Linux alternative just isn't there yet. It's not 1 huge user friendly cohesive system and the hellpit of "Linux ((HELP)) forums" is a fate worse than death. Noone wants to reimplement features or do whatever kind of software dev for whats supposed to be a default.
>>724466396Nobody mentioned distro hopping except for you. I've been on the same installation for half a decade at this point.>I've tried at least 5 distrosThe only one here distro hopping is you. Trying to find the magic correct setup instead of using something, figuring out how it works and fixing the problems yourself.Do you also go suck dicks willingly and complain about it being gay too?
>>724466509You're larping.
>>724465724>Unfortunately, I think an OS should be stable.Stable just means that it maintains the same functionality for something like a server deployment.Based on what the average person thinks of when they hear the word "Stable", Arch is decently stable, the memes are massively outdated.>>724466057>An OS isn't supposed to fucking need maintenance, linuxtroon.Even Windows needs to be maintained. The fact that Linux maintenance is for the most part straightforward enough that, unlike Windows, it doesn't just devolve into catastrophic failure, doesn't mean that maintenance isn't a part of running an OS.>>724466196Nothing works 100% of the time. Even Windows involves a lot of special pleading and glossing over the fact that a lot of functionality is broken and limited to specific Windows versions.
>>724466509Don't bother. It's obvious the guy is just stirring shit because he doesn't like other options exist. He never intended to have an honest conversation about this.
>>724465614>live with shit>((a bit of effort))Saar. Do you want to be my tech support? I could use someone who is as willing and hard-headed like you.
>>724466558Why would I do that?I guess I was off by a few months.>>724466630Well yeah, obviously, but I got nothing better to do
>>724452034>the money in question
