According to Nintendo, dumping a ROM you paid for onto your own computer for personal use is illegal. You don't do this criminal act, do you?https://www.nintendo.com/au/legal/nintendo-intellectual-property/
>>724442271Why hasn't Nintendo sued me then?
>>724442271Isn't the letter of the law that your personal dump is for archival/preservation purposes and not active use?
>>724442371@FBI @FBIDirectorKash do something!!
>>724442271How long before jewtendo copyrights breathing, drinkable water and existence?
>>724442469You jest, but...
>>724442485>lying in the age of GoogleThe patent was for Scarlet/Violet's auto battle system
Fair use, fuck off tendies
>>724442271>/au/Australia might be the only country more cucked than Bongistan
>>724442567At time of filing, or retroactive?
>>724442271It is not illegal if the law doesn’t prohibit it. Since the law doesn’t prohibit it it’s totally legal. However, it may be a violation of the terms of use agreement. However, you never signed any agreement so it’s null and void in court.
>>724442271That's illegal in America too. That's what copyright means. A copyright holder has the right to copy something. You don't.I think in America the one way for it to not be illegal is for you to destroy the disk you burned from, because in that case you still only have the one copy and the "license" that you bought allows you to have one in any form.Not sure what people think copyright law actually is if they think this is weird.
Trannies need to remember when Sony lost that emulation case it was for a company who made an emulator that ran official playsation games placed into a computer's cd driveIf the case had been about ripped copies they would have been absolutely BTFO in court
>>724442837Why do you suck corporate dick?
>>724442940you're not robin hood, you're stealing games because it's easy and freeI pirate games too, no need to be a retard about it making up weird copes and rationalizations about how actually it's a good thing because here's why:
>>724442732If you live in USA: 17 U.S. Code § 106It's legal code. It's against the law to break it.
>>724442747I have the right to copy anything I want because it takes a click. To do it. That was not what copyright concept had in mind originally. Back in the day you’d have to put effort and time as well as some investment to copy someone’s work and since there was no internet stealing someone’s book in England and republishing it in the United States was a feasible criminal act that could yield profits. The US Copyright Act clearly defines the exclusive rights of the copyright holder: reproducing the work, distributing copies, performing or displaying it to the public, making derivative works. Only reproducing may fall under this definition and people who share shit online can be held liable for doing it. Not the consumer however. You do not reproduce anything, but downloading a file that has already been created by someone else. You can only be held liable for breaking the terms of use agreement but the Copyright Act doesn’t give the rights holders an exclusive right to tell you how exactly you are supposed to consume the product. Terms of Use is practically bullshit and doesn’t mean anything unless the rights holder sues you and proves in court that you accepted and broke the agreement, which requires evidence.
>>724443351We're talking about backing up or ripping a physical game here though, you bought a single copy of something and that's it, making a functional copy of the game is literally reproducing it, it isn't just "uhh I'm creating a separate backup archive uhhhh" yeah by copying it which you don't have the right to do.People do get busted for piracy even in US, just the simple downloading of a copy of the game is an infringement of copyright and you can get busted in court for it, if you did the original copying yourself how would you be any less busted?
>>724443351Inb4>but you didn’t buy it!Let’s say your dad bought you a book as a present. He doesn’t want the book but you do. Did he just violate copyright? Same applies to ROMs. Here someone buys the source which is not illegal but then he rips the game, which is a violation of terms of use. Then he gives it to you for free. As an analogy, let’s say dad decides to scan a book instead of reading it to you because he can’t carry it and rather use a PDF reader on his phone. Did he break the law? Arguably yes because he just reproduced a copyrighted piece of work. Fair enough. But did you break the law by hearing him read it out? Nope. Will you break the law if you get a PDF copy from him because he is too busy to read it to you? If your mom does it to read it to you, does that break the law as well? Nope and nope. Copyright is designed to punish frauds who illegally profit from other people’s works or claim credit where for things they didn’t create. It doesn’t exist to punish the consumer.
>>724442271No, I just download the rom form emu sites.
>>724442271Nintendo can suck my dick and balls
Fuck Jewtendo. After the Shitch 2 flops, their next console will be their last, then it's either 3rd party publisher or gacha hell. Hopefully the company dies and somebody else buys up their IPs and makes a real Zelda again instead of the gay generic open world sloppa.
>>724443817If you download a copy you're making your own copy. It's still a violation of copyright law and can be punished in a court. There are private firms that specifically deal with video game piracy and bigger corporations outsource to them to bust small scale piracy, including people that solely download shit. They aren't even specifically getting busted with distribution (like seeding a torrent) because that requires a specific value to be prosecuted for. It's just copyright violation. It's illegal and I'm not sure why people pretend it isn't.
>>724443606Is reading a book out loud for someone also not reproducing it? Are we gonna put people in jail for this as well? You might say but the words are perishable and are not preserved on a medium (unless recorded). True but you can always argue that media is perishable as well, so what defines perishability? That you can hold it in your hands? You can’t hold digital files in your hands either. Maybe that the medium can be forgotten within a short time? Say someone has a phenomenal memory and they remember a copyrighted poem word to word. Are they violating the law by reciting it to someone? The whole thing is a joke but I’m not disputing what you are saying. I just think Nintendo is using scare tactics and doesn’t win anything from it. People hate them more and pirates just laugh in their faces.
Disney proves that copyright laws are flawed and abused. Public domain means nothing, ownership means nothing, it's all about having a temporary license and being in temporary possession of games that can't be legally preserved. No one will bat an eye to this.
>>724444414>Is reading a book out loud for someone also not reproducing it?No lmao>You can’t hold digital files in your hands either. It's physically represented on your hard drive. That's how a hard drive can be used as evidence in a court room. Downloading a file physically alters your storage device.I'm still not sure what your actual issue with the copyright law is here. Nintendo is just accurately relaying what the laws are, at least in Australia in the OP link but I know it's how it works in America too.You can totally criticize copyright laws and how they are largely propped up by massive corporations that lobby to make sure they get the best deal they can but I'm seeing a lot of people pretend that copyright law is something it isn't. Though a lot of this same sort of stuff is either a grey area or completely legal in a lot of the world.
>>724442271Nintendo doesn't write the laws, if they're wrong then sue them
Yeah Australian law is ass. It’s actually illegal to communicate things according to it. So that father reading a book to his son analogy may actually be seen as a copyright violation unironically.
Explicitly legal to do this in Germany so they can suck it.
Reminder that you can help preservation by submitting dump metadata to Redump (optical media) and No-Intro (cartridges and digital downloads, including DRM-free PC releases).https://dumping.guide/http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?title=Dumping_GuidesFor the record, this infograph (back from 2022) is not about missing official releases for those consoles. All of them were dumped. It's meant to indicate how many got a single dump, and how many got 2 or more.>what drives do I need to dump CD games?http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?title=Optical_Disc_Drive_Compatibility:_CDFor PS2 and PC DVD games, any DVD drive will work fine.>why are verifications important?>Verifications are vital in verifying that the information in the database is accurate, and that a dump is reproduceable by another person using the same tools and methods. An existing dump could be erroneous due to a variety of factors, including user error, hardware and software issues, and more. Furthermore, even when someone is doing everything correctly and has adequate software and hardware, there is a chance that their dump could be incorrect, due to the way data sectors on a disc are read and validated (especially Compact Discs). In most cases, the data will be read and verified successfully, but the process of reading data is not infallible, so there are times when a second dump of the same disc could provide differing information. Verifications help to identify and correct some of these issues.The software used for this purposes is MPF (Windows-only), which serves as a frontend for DIC and Redumper (and Aaru too).https://github.com/SabreTools/MPF/releases/latestYou can also use their standalone versions (ALSO available for Mac and Linux):https://github.com/saramibreak/DiscImageCreator/releases/latesthttps://github.com/superg/redumper/releases/latest
>>724442271I'm really surprised Nintendo is allowed to just blatantly lie like this.
>>724442271Nintendo has been against all consumer rights as long as it has existed. They're more evil than EA. People just give them a pass because they have happy memories of being a kid and playing Mario when they were 35.
>>724442271Was making copies for personal use deemed legal in a court case already?
>>724442431Strictly speaking yes, which is why "bypassing drm" a phrase so intentionally legally vague literally anyone who's ever used any piece of electronic media has violated this.By the way, important notice: There is no such thing as a physical copy of a game law as written.The entire thing however is a international game of chicken because if any real effort went into trying to enfoce the law as written people would be dead in the street.Also for >>724448556
>>724448556I thought there was a law allowing consumers to make personal copies of software, created specifically because floppy discs were a very volatile medium and expecting your original copy to work for an extended period of time was unreasonable.
>>724448840Thanks for removing "is a federal crime" from my post 4chan. Very helpful, glad you turned on the obnoxious captchas but are still fucking with posts.
>>724442271Wow but how about this: I don't care what Nintendo thinks. They think they own the rights to throwing balls at things. They can suck my balls. I'll pirate all their games (not 'copy', not 'dump' PIRATE) and I'll teach everyone I know to do the same.
>>724442271>expecting ANY country except Japan itself to ever bother enforcing these lawsLmao.The sheer heat that policing forces, politicians and judges would get worldwide for ignoring rapists, thieves, murderers and other actual criminals to go after nerds copying video games in their bedrooms would be insane.>Sorry we can't sentence your childs killer until 2028 madam, the new Nintendo law just passed and we have to sentence 10,000 internet pirates over the next few years>Also they have to go into prison, so we have nowhere to place your childs killer until we build more spaces so please wait until 2029It's just not going to happen, a select few serious serial uploaders/providers will get sued for being retards and leaving breadcrumbs back to themselves as always.
>>724449117I don't think 4chan edits post content outside of word filter replacements. You probably just made a typo.
I report every single person I see who pirates, several of whom are in financial turmoil because of their poor decision to try to pirate games.
>>724448968There are. And it also extends to CDs. The law is vague on bypassing DRM to copy the copy that you already own. But guess what? Since it's a civil matter, they cannot compel you to state whether you did it. It's a fucked system but I guess it works because it just means someone has to be retarded enough to be honest.
>>724449260Eat my ass I'm a professional writer I know what I typed and proofread it before posting.
>>724442271By law if you purchase a game once, even 30 years ago and you're no longer able to play it or lose access to your copy, you're literally allowed to pirate/emulate a new copy in order to continue playing.
>>724449259>The sheer heat that policing forces, politicians and judges would get worldwide for ignoring rapists, thieves, murderers and other actual criminals to go after nerds copying video games in their bedrooms would be insane.The UK does it right now with mean posts on twitter and facebook.But the UK is also getting unprecedented amounts of heat for it.
>>724449339that's bullshit but I believe it.
>>724442271>consoles are becoming broken with time>hurph durph you cannot keepsake them
>>724449339It's true, I have personally directed multiple drone strikes to the homes of pirates in my neighborhood for pirating Pokemon for the gameboy color.
>>724442271>Miyamoto says games "stop working" when new systems come out>Nintendo also don't want anyone backing up their gamesFucking parasite company.Reminder that they themselves uploaded pirated roms to the Wii Shop and they also run emulators IN THEIR OWN MUSEUM
>>724443125yeah yeah, stop LARPing, shlomo. we know youre trying to sneak into this thread to subtly defend big corpos.
>>724449389Literally the only good legislation/ruling made in consumers favor when it comes to games.
>>724449341I would think the cases surrounding the 10nes chip and Game Genie would be a legal precedent to that topic in some part. It was ruled that reverse engineering is not copyright infringement so long as you are not distributing copyrighted code. So you would think you would be allowed to create, distribute, and use DRM software cracks so long as you don't distribute the software it's cracking and you are otherwise using the software legally.
>>724442271>You don't do this criminal act, do you?CorrectI download ROM off the internet instead
>>724449585>they themselves uploaded pirated roms to the Wii ShopCifaldi started that bullshit, and he regrets ever saying it.The Nintendo Gigaleaks show that Nintendo had a vast archive. Many unreleased ports surfaced thanks to their archival practices.With that said, you don't even need to go that far.You think those NSO re-releases are native ports? No way in hell.
It's not illegal for a company to lie unless it's some kind of fraud.
>>724442271It doesn't matter. This has NEVER mattered. Listen, if all people did was copy their games and keep those copies to themselves, no one would give a shit, not even Nintendo. Nintendo's problem is that they assume that anyone who makea copies of their games is doing so with the intention of distribution. This isn't necessarily true, of course, but that's what they assume.
>>724449585>>724449807This misconception also spread because of the GoodNES headers present inside the virtual console ROMs. These headers don't exist in the original ROMs and were added by third-party archival tools. The reason these exist in the ROMs Nintendo uses is because they hired the guy who made the GoodNES format to assist with developing official emulators.
>>724450000Eh, no. iNES was created by Marat Fayzullin. Tomohiro Kawase (the guy who happened to work at Nintendo) had a minor credit as the SOUND SUPPORT programmer, in release 0.7, but he made nothing else for the emulator.
laws and rights are jewish concepts. white men only answer to duty. the question is are we duty bound to entertain some merchants whims over items that we bought from them? the answer is obviously no. case closed.
>>724442271It is illegal. I'm not sure why people are coping about this.
>>724442271I do this but with roms other people paid for
>>724448556This is Nintendo of Australia here
>>724444293>bootlicking this hardCringe.
>>724451236I'm a Christian
>>724442271>REEEEEEEE NINTENDO IS EVIL LOOK WHAT THEY SAID IN THEIR FAQImagine being this retarded. FAQs aren't legally binding you buffoon. Even if this was in a contract, it would still be null and void because it's against the law. It's like Nintendo hates go out of their way to be offended by trivial shit that wouldn't hold up in court.
This is why copyright law needs to be completely rewritten, if not abolished entirely. It lets sleazy corporations make legislation like this that completely strips rights from the consumer.>no downloading roms from the net! you may only do it from your own copy>AH, STOP RIGHT THERE, THAT BREAKS COPY PROTECTION!So what are you left with? A "license" that stops being yours once the disk breaks, if the company doesn't revoke it sooner?
>>724452152The physical "distinction" doesn't actually exist, so you never owned the disk in the first place either.
>>724442271The only reason it is now illegal (it wasn't when they made the complaint), is because of DMCA, which prevents people from breaking digital locks. There is nothing morally wrong with breaking a digital lock from a piece of shit company that tries to use these to prevent you from using a product you purchased. These "protections" have never stopped pirates and have only ever been used to screw over paying customers in every possible way.
>he didn't already download entire rom libraries
>>724452603I only do that for games I bought. after all, if a game is good, companies do deserve their money for it. Though sometimes you gotta work around it, like if you want Chrono Trigger, you have no choice but to download it because spending 500 dollars on amazon is quite silly.You could legally pay for the right to play the game by buying the steam version, but that's a POS, so you still have to end up downgrading to either the SNES or DS version. Sucks, but that's how it is.
>>724449460yeah you are supposed to buy a new productthey are making older games available on the switch 2 for a reason, just pay your subscription
>>724442271>Illegal for personal useWith that, I say fuck you.
>>724453010or i could just.. emulate the games. nintendo cant stop me.
>>724453093And if you paid them for the right to play the game, they have no moral right to stop you. Really, that's why everyone freaks out about piracy, because "the poor heckin corporations might lose profit". But if you give them the money they ask for their game, and it's still not enough to please them, then wtf do they want? just infinite revenue streams via subscriptions?
Who cares. Piracy laws are never enforced on the common man. They take one site down and 5 more pop up within a day, and 5 million more slip through the cracks and continue to operate. It's a nothing burger just like torrenting. You don't need a VPN, it's marketing rubbish.
>>724451124that is even worse then because Australia explicitly has laws saying you are allowed to copy and record things for personal use and directly outlines how you can use them.so Australia explicitly allows you to back up games and use them backups to play it, just like you can do with movies from any type of disc, music from any type of disc, even recording shows off television is 100% legal and law about how you can use them.It's referred to as "Format shifting" and is straight up legal and protected in Australia.
>>724449381I'm trans btw, if that matters.
>>724442271My next console purchase might be a "fully loaded" Wii or Wii-U. Get fucked, Nintendo!
>>724453228Nullified in 2007.
>>7244533282007 was when it was introduced nigger, after this agreement was signed.Taking parts of other countries copyright law is apart of being apart of doing business on a global scale. But those are not the same.Take for example, despite having very similar anti piracy laws, an IP address is not considered enough proof to constitute someone did something, so an IP address download or torrenting something does not mean the owner of the IP address at that time is the one responsible and their information cannot be subpoenaed, based on legal precedent proven in court and people trying to do that exact thing.https://www.alrc.gov.au/publication/copyright-and-the-digital-economy-dp-79/9-private-and-domestic-use/current-law-2/here is the 2013 revision explicitly talking about it.I would go dig up the actual act in full but their site is awful and I dislike using it if I don't have to and this is plenty enough.
>>724442271if it's not a crime, why do you incist on making all those reputation campaign for your industry there? All day you are there recruiting new agents, lovebombing and isolating new customers, and smearing all form of authority that has anything to say against it.
>>724442271>without authorizationI authorized it
>>724442271Nintendo doesn't make the laws, tendie.Doesn't matter if they FEEL LIKE it's illegal. It's not.I can do whatever the fuck I want with my hardware. Ripping music has been legal since forever.
>>724443606>People do get busted for piracy even in USBecause they are DISTRIBUTING copies through torrents. Nothing else.
>>724455882Read >>724444293You're wrong, and you can't even get pinched for distribution through torrenting unless you seed for a fuckton of time.
>>724456129>You're wrongWrong>and you can't even get pinched for distribution through torrentingDouble wrongYou don't know shit you're talking about
>>724457487You know you can just look this stuff up right? I have Cite me anything if you think you're right
>>724442271if you own a cd-rom you are a criminal. 50 years in nintendo prison. no appeal
>>724442271Directive 2009/24/EC art.5(2)>"The making of a back-up copy by a person having a right to use the computer program may not be prevented by contract in so far as it is necessary for that use."It sure is great having consumer rights.Nintendo can get fucked.
>>724442271why are you so obsessed with nintendo?
You firthy fakking gaijin pray on OUR terms or you no pray at arr.
>>724442747>A copyright holder has the right to copy something. You don'tWhat a shitty countryHere we have the right to make a private copie, dvd, music, movies, games, everything goes if it's for yourself
can we fucking nuke these bugmen again already god DAMN
>>724458989You live in a third world like Uganda or some shit like that, I don't think you're in a position to be calling anything shitty.
Wtf so that rom pack I downloaded that contained every snes, nes, gb, gbc and game boy advance game every released was illegal? Oh well I've done it now.
>>724442271>According to NintendoThis isn't Japan, Nintendo doesn't get to determine the law. It's legal to make a backup of your digital property, in case it gets damaged. Please note that this does NOT make it legal to download a copy off the internet, or to modify the digital copy into something that can run on an emulator. The point is to allow you to take your digital backup and put it back into the physical cartridge if something gets damaged, allowing you to retain access to the thing you purchased. It doesn't mean free access to any similar versions of the same software.Obviously, this also means it isn't legal to share any digital backups you've created.
>>724442271>@FBI @CIA HELP ME HES BREAKING THE LAW
>>724459580>Oh well I've done it now.Never admitYou did it in Minecraft I guess
>>724459685is that microsoft providing illegal tools to the terrorists?
>>724442271See how they cite zero laws
>>724442271Oh that is cool and all but uhhthe law says otherwiseim really sorry but uhh.... i can just make copy's of anything i want
>>724442271Nintendo legislation when?Imo Nintendo should write our laws.
>>724459580I am contacting FBI, Interpol and Peta as we speak, please do not leave the country
>>724442271The whole thing reads like an intern wrote it
>>724442271Nintendo is the Disney of videogames (insult)
>>724442271I mean, so is anal rape, but that doesn't stop me.
reminder that according to this, nintendo committed this crime as well because they used roms with headers from torrenting sites for their personal arcade stuff on the switch. ergo they didnt even have their own roms of their own games, they had to pirate their own games to sell to you lol
>>724460831AND they literally hired the guy who made one of the dump things, so if it was a crime, they hired a criminal lolof course nintendo doesnt give a fuck because they hire people who draw lolicon anyways. remember the famous "misty" card everyone always collected, that dude was already known for working on megaman legends and released lolicon bondage stuff of tron and that yai 5head girl and mayl taking a shit, and hired him to do the misty card and asked him "yo definitely dont release a nude version of the misty card you made, pls bro" and he said YOLO
Pirate cases don't go to court in Australia since Dallas Buyer Club case was dropped after the court ruled people would only have to pay the retail price of the movie/game Nintendo did sue a guy for 1.5 million in 2010 for leaking mario bros wii early though
>>724442747it's legal to make archival copies of games you own. the only stipulation is you destroy all archival copies if you no longer own the game.
>>724461204...wait, what, the dallas buyers club was about some dude who distributed aids drugs in texas. what case?
>>724462017https://www.bbc.com/news/business-35547045
>>724460831>nintendo committed this crime as well because they used roms with headers from torrenting sites for their personal arcade stuff on the switchYou're thinking of Sony and PS Classic.The only time Nintendo has ever used downloaded copies like that was on the Wii with SMB to test their own emulator and that rom was never supposed to get out.Also if you're the IP owner you can freely distribute and download your own property.
>>724462346nintendos arguing even if you own a copy of the game and are downloading it purely to archive it is also illegal, not that archiving it yourself is illegal, but the act of pirating another copy via the internet. so even if nintendo owns the IP and can freely distribute it, yadda yadda, nintendo cant rob a gamestop and take their own games. they also argue that not (just) circumventing games copy right protection methods is illegal, but OWNING the DEVICE used to circumvent copyright material methods is illegal. and they own these devices. which is what the switch does when its in your hands to play some of the roms they sell you. ANY device, lol.
>>724442271Well, Nintendo does own the rights to the game, and they do sell you a licesence to access and play the game via their hardware. Wanting to generate infinite copies of a single game you licensed to play a certain way is fairly unethical, and readily leads to rampant piracy of their games.
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